GPU BAD?? This QUADRUPLES Your FPS!!! - MOST ULTIMATE GUIDE to Lossless Scaling Frame Generation

[@vextakes]

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[@markdove5930]

Does it work with emulation?

[@ObetJohna]

​@@markdove5930 It works for almost every program that displays pixels.

[@maurice963]

@@markdove5930 From what I've heard, yes

[@branislavmatheis9412]

He said on 11 min into video yeah it is working fr them....​@@markdove5930

[@ytszazu2gmail381]

I couldnt find a good manual unfortunately, so have to depend on channels like yours for further explaining on what each buttons do.

[@jillsandwich9947]

ONE step closer to downloading more Ram

[@Pazo139]

At this rate I won't be surprised if it actually happens.

[@johnathansmith1003]

Yawn

[@michaelmcconnell7302]

I downloaded ram from a bbs in like 1991. It was a script that I put in my autorxec.bat file that gave programs access to extended memory in DOS 🧑‍🦳

[@DaAlphaDawg]

i only have 8gb of ram, i need this to happen

[@arkgaharandan5881]

ironically we now have infinite ram, vram is the problem.

[@realevermore]

Gpu aint bad. Game optimization is

[@markymarc12]

Bingo

[@megurinemiku8201]

Wukong is the better optimized one, talk about Alan wake 2, starfield, last of us, these games are trash in terms of optimization.

[@mr.waffentrager4400]

​@@megurinemiku8201Alan wake 2 is good just not good for anything below 20 series

[@brokencreationlordmegatrol3037]

Yeahhh this software basically beat most driver bassed stuff and its great. I use it in demanding or built like crap games

[@Clone_osu1]

No it's not ​@@megurinemiku8201

[@DanielClear2]

Bad timing as LS just got a HUGE update. TLDR: - A feature to render fake frames at low resolution to increase base performance. - LSFG 1.1 removed, as 2.3 has been tested to surpass 1.1 in performance anyway.

[@tech.curiosity]

May i ask what is LS ?

[@jacobsinger618]

​@@tech.curiositylossless scaling... The software that is used in the video.

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

There's no LSFG 2.4 lmao it's still 2.3, only resolution scaler is new

[@KamiKazeD]

FG 2.4 doesnt exist yet, its still 2.3

[@BadEnd98]

Wait, FG is v2.4 now? I just updated LS to v2.12 and it's still 2.3?

[@AFarCryAway]

Lossless Scaling made the Monster Hunter Wilds beta actually tolerable to play on my RTX 2060. Love it!

[@Taavett]

Wow how well does it run?😅

[@AFarCryAway]

@Taavett With a mix of medium textures and low settings, running the ingame performance FSR and using Frame Gen from Lossless Sclaing, it kept me around 60+ fps. I think if my CPU was a bit more modern (using Ryzen 7 1700) it could have easily been over 60fps a majority of the time. I wouldn't say it was an ideal experience, but was playable and if I had no choice but to play it that way, I'd still have fun in hunts

[@Taavett]

@AFarCryAway Oh thank you! ❤️

[@dlbutters7164]

Lossless Scaling is the reason why i'm still able to play games on my Ryzen 7 5700G APU. 🍷🗿

[@iGameinParadise]

is this game running well on r7 5700g with lossless scaling?

[@NootNoot.]

2.12 Takes a small (but necessary) step further. Here is the gist from the developer: "Introduced a new "Resolution Scale" option for LSFG. This feature allows input frames to be processed at a reduced resolution while generating output at the original resolution. For example, when playing at 1440p, setting the scale to 50% enables LSFG to generate 1440p output from a 720p input. This provides a performance boost with only a minor quality trade-off (depending on the game). Note that this is not related to image scaling; rather, it reduces the amount of information available to LSFG for motion estimation." Also, if you're on Windows 24H2, it is now recommended for users to use "WGC" instead of "DXGI" now. This is because "Microsoft changed how the Desktop Duplication API (DXGI) functions, making it heavily reliant on MPO (Multiplane Overlay) support. Without MPO, DXGI cannot reliably distinguish between updates from game window and the LS window when both are displayed on the same monitor. This prevents it from capturing only new frames, thereby breaking the existing framepacing algorithm." Your experience may vary if your system has "MPO" enabled.

[@hassan8718]

@@OGBouncin94 well?? he did say "Here is the gist from the developer"

[@anotherwowman]

​@@OGBouncin94 Bro is onto something ❌ Bro is on something ✅

[@sm13753]

How to know about MPO status of the 24h2 pc?

[@HunterTracks]

@@sm13753 MPO has been a part of Windows drivers since Windows 8.1. It is enabled by default and can only be disabled using registry tweaks. Basically, if you don't know about it, you don't need to worry about it.

[@POLARTTYRTM]

Who would guess we would live through a time where you can just download more FPS lol

[@CombatMedic1O]

I refuse to use fake AI frames and pixels. i will never give in. For now on if I pay over $500 for a graphics card and over $400 for cpu. I expect playable 1440p modern games. If not I will just find another hobby or play older games. Devs and drivers need to optimize their products, I'm afraid this will allow them to be lazy. I'm all natural!

[@Touma134]

Still no real free ram to download. Shows you never know what life throws at you.

[@Skylancer727]

I mean we've had interpolation built into tvs for years. I've been wondering for nearly 10 years why PCs, which are thousands of times stronger than a TV processor, weren't doing it. Only about a year ago AMD even acknowledged they had developed it over 7 years ago, they just didn't release it.

[@ELpeaceonearth]

Dude u can get it for free i didnt pay for lossles scaling lol i used it to play bloodborne horribly optimized rn​@CombatMedic1O

[@9308323]

​@@Touma134 I mean, you _could_ turn your HDD/SSD into RAM for a while now. If you could create a NAS config and put it to cloud, you likely could mess around and technically download RAM.

[@sc9433]

Afmf2 doesnt turn itself off if u change the search mode to 'high'. Afmf 2 is the best in quality and latency between fsr, lossless scaling. Select searchmode 'high' and Quality mode.

[@Accuaro]

Wow, look at this guy you're ruining the script of the video to make AMD look bad! No but seriously, I expected better from Vex..

[@FewCan456]

He was also using a mouse when isn't frame gen and AMD Fluid Motion Frames recommended for controller?

[@MLWJ1993]

​@@FewCan456 If it doesn't work at all with a mouse like it's supposed to, you deserve critique when releasing it on PC...

[@Vitis-n2v]

​@@MLWJ1993it's not that it doesn't work but controller input for camera movement is objectively smoother which helps when interpolating frames

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

AFMF 2 has horibble UI ghosting and can't differentiate between shadows, objects and character models. LSFG has absolutely better quality than FMF and even search mode high, it can turn off. Unlikely to turn of but can. Latency might be slightly better than LS but there's no other advantage to FMF.

[@VariantFPS]

Brother there is a bot comment on top of all the comments, try keeping your community safe from these scams. Edit: I think he removed the comment, good on him!

[@100Bucks]

I have been saying this and sticking with this statement. Once you've used it. You stop looking at other GPUs. Don't care if it's fake, it's good.

[@zoohisham1646]

i agree brother these days i can't play without it ,it just doesn't feel right to play native

[@x_z0mb1_x]

Almost everytime I have tried lossless scaling there have been visual artifacts usually my character flickering invisible. So really it isn't lossless , when my characters losing his head haha

[@vextakes]

truu

[@saulnotgoodman550]

Cap ur frames to something u archive all the time

[@astrea555]

Yeah it doesn't like 3rd person shooters very much. Avoid using x3/x4 options for those games. Make sure you have 60 real fps as well.

[@roilo8560]

It's better with controller than with mouse imo, I love using it with emulators

[@Waifu72Hunter]

You can try using LSFG 1.1 instead of LSFG 2.3 it has less artifact from my experience but unfortunately now you have to choose 2.11 version from the beta section because LSFG 1.1 is reomved in 2.12.

[@jade7837]

Thought you're just over-reacting. Tried it, and will probably use it for every game now 🤣

[@poka26ev2]

What happens when you use both lossless scaling and dlss/fsr frame gen at the same time?

[@Crazzzycarrot-qo5wr]

Definitely not for competitive shooters though. Its good, but the input lag is there.

[@edalecu]

​@@poka26ev2their outputs add-up, sort of... but I think that the latency would be more unbearable than with only one fg at a time.

[@spectre_635]

I have been using lossless scaling for a while now, and it's a lifesaver on my 1660 ti optiplex build. Its crazy getting 120fps on a 5 year old mid range budget gpu with a 7 year old cpu.

[@Lurch-Bot]

What is crazy is playing Forza Horizon 4 at 1440p60 on a 12 year old GTX 670 and 10 year old i7 and being just as competitive in ranked racing as you are on a modern system capable of running the game at 1440p at high refresh rate with native rendering.

[@Glubbdubdrib]

What people think Nvidia frame gen: ITS FAKE FRAME, REEEEEEEEEEE Downloaded frame gen: ITS PERFECT! I LOVE IT!!!!!

[@FlamespeedyAMV]

Devs are bad not gpus

[@narcostarko]

Owners and share holders that only care about profit and push devs to release unfinished games that are bad for devs which is bad for GPUs

[@wiz956]

I also use lossless scaling to add frames to movies or KZbin videos it works insanely good

[@Lurch-Bot]

Still trying to figure out how to make this work reliably. Need to take a deep dive into settings because I'm sure that's part of it. a recent test with YT didn't scale right. It also doesn't seem to do anything with popular subscription streaming services, probably due to HDCP. I would imagine if I were just trying to watch a ripped video file on VLC, it would probably work fine.

[@kseries1981]

One of the most useful programs ever. I use it with Elden ring to hit 120 fps while still running Easy Anti Cheat. Also can be used with emulators with games that have a 30 fps cap.

[@gabrieli6008]

Lossless scaling works with dual GPUs, so if you have a configuration that supports the second GPU, you could buy something like a 5500 XT run the scaling off of that card. You need a card at least as powerful as the 6600 XT to comfortably do 4K scaling, but it removes the performance hit that you get from activating the frame generation. It is also much more difficult to run on Nvidia cards, and you'll find better results on low end AMD cards, even compared to higher-end Nvidia cards As for cards capping out without setting VSync on, there is a limit to how many frames a card can push depending on how intense the scenario is.

[@johndank2209]

SLI making a comeback?

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

i use it that way regularly thanks to my iGPU. Results in no hit to base frame rate as long as you can keep iGPU utilization in check.

[@gnrtx-36969]

Do you think free sync also work from the secondary card?

[@tekeagle2136]

I do the same, with my $220 RTX 3060ti as the main GPU and a $36 RX 5600XT as the secondary GPU. Not the best combination, but it works with most games. Definitely better performance than just using the 3060ti or using the iGPU for LS. Note: cap your frames using the games limiter or with Rivatuner. The performance will be smoother.

[@edalecu]

if graphics is too hard for the gpu, just lower the settings and you could get enough fps. But the CPU might also put a hard cap in heavy NPC or action scenarios and that's when lsfg is gold!

[@jamescampbell8482]

I use this app's frame generation to maintain a locked 180 fps so that backlight strobing on my LCD gives me perfect motion resolution. Its really cool getting 1200 pixels per second in motion instead of barely 980 pixels per second of panning motion

[@Lurch-Bot]

And I thought I was a mega nerd. Just the idea of trying to achieve 180fps on my low budget PC gives me a headache. Must be nice to have a 4090. Hope you didn't go into debt for it because you'll regret that.

[@jamescampbell8482]

@@Lurch-Bot I don't have a 490 I have a GTX 1060 width 3 gigabytes of vram and a I5 7600k. My monitor is a 1080p 144hz monitor that I have overclocked to 180. At the time I bought it it was one grand flat

[@ths794]

Hi Vex, Thanks so much for this review - great job as always! Just a quick note: the framerate is capped because setting "Max latency" to 1 limits it to the monitor's refresh rate. It needs to be at least 2, preferably 3 (with 3 being the recommended setting for AMD GPUs), or you can use Sync mode OFF (Tearing) with VRR to avoid visible tearing. Also, check out version 2.12 - it includes a "Resolution scaling" option that can really help lower-end GPUs.

[@michaelmcconnell7302]

@@ths794 incoukdnt get the resolution scaling to work, butnthe fram gen pairs with the in-game resolution scaling well

[@Lurch-Bot]

The framerate could be capped in the game settings, which is a good idea if you are running frame gen, which is why I am baffled that neither AMD nor Nvidia allow you to cap the framerate or use a defined scaling factor. Running unlocked on a low spec machine is bad enough. Throw frame gen in the mix and you're in for a stutterfest.

[@tylrls8728]

"trying lower end GPUs" - it's a 6600. feelsbadman

[@__-fi6xg]

still perfectly fine for 1080p

[@Noblesteed17]

What cpu do you have

[@HunterTracks]

@@__-fi6xg I think the point is that RX 6600 isn't that low end.

[@__-fi6xg]

@@HunterTracks but it is, i have games that require more than 8 gb in 1080p on ulra

[@HunterTracks]

@@__-fi6xg I'm pretty sure that not being able to play all games on Ultra settings doesn't make a card low-end. Maybe in terms of cards you can buy brand new it's on the lower end, but it's definitely not low-end in terms of cards that are actually in use right now.

[@HitmannDDD]

I use lossless scaling to great effect. It makes Star Citizen, which is notoriously unoptimized in alpha, play like a dream.

[@pyschosecterz]

I used on Helldrivers 2 my gpu actually can reach 120+fps but this program just "lock" my fps to 120 solid fps and no drop at all. It just amazing

[@0neWhoKnocks]

Another thing I've found with lossless scaling(LS) is it really depends on the specific game you are running, some games respond very well and others not so much. Space Marine II responds extremely well, I've been running it in x2 mode with my frames capped at 80(160 w/ LS) and it's awesome. Remnant II however looks better with AMD's frame-gen as opposed to LS, more visual artifacting in this case. Windwaker HD(CEMU) at x3(30 to 90) is butter, with minor visual artifacting(totally worth it here though imo, even over x2 mode). Deadpool(pcsx3) at x2(30 to 60) benefits from smoothness, but has visual artifacting like Vex was showing with Black Myth Wukong at x4 mode, character model Phasing in and out of existence that sort of thing. Just a few of my experiences, it's a wonderful program and I recommend it!

[@Lurch-Bot]

Yes, YMMV. It doesn't work with literally EVERYTHING. Doesn't work on LA Noire, not that I need it to, lol. Also, while the instructions say you must run the game in fullscreen mode, Cyberpunk only worked with LS using windowed borderless. I have used LSFG with a 12 year old GTX 670. That was mind blowing. 2x scale and 2x FG allowed me to play Forza Horizon 4 at 1440p60. It wasn't perfect - menus would get kinda blurry when moving quickly through them and the moving map was a little shaky. Still usable though. Still was able to do ranked racing as well as I would on a much better system.

[@redrone6026]

It even has frame generation resolution scaling now 🙂

[@aurias01]

Too many bugs. Artifacts, random black screens, center screen character models disappearing? Yeah i have none of those issues with AFMF2.

[@JeanOJesus]

Had you actually tried Lossless Scaling for yourself?

[@csincsedevlog]

@@JeanOJesus I tried. And its trash. Looks bad feels bad compare to afmf2

[@edalecu]

@@csincsedevlog I bet you don't know how to use it properly

[@csincsedevlog]

@@edalecu I could say the same. You dont know how to use afmf2 properly. Btw how I cant use it properly? It should go like click scale and done? And yet, still bad image quality without using the upscaling part and massive drops. So....

[@FOUR22]

​@@csincsedevlogI have been using on terraria/fallout/gta5/Valheim/helldivers 2 with a 4080 😂 and its been working great

[@shadowcastyt]

Lossless is awesome, found the app a bit ago and really helps when running on a 2060 laptop (upgrading to a 7900XT desktop soon)

[@adamantiumreaver4283]

This is a game changer for broken games like Wild Hearts. Even though Im running the game at 60fps by the counter, it feels like its running at 20. With lossless scaling I run that game at 100fps caped at 50, to achieve perfect frame times. Finally I can play it

[@astrea555]

Just when I thought this app couldn't get any better. The FG resolution scale option is genius. LSFG on a 4K screen used to be really expensive on the GPU so you had to change your whole screen's resolution depending on the game at was annoying, but this solves the issue!

[@BoPunk]

Protip: Use it while watching KZbin vids.

[@yxon1ph]

how

[@amy-295]

Ok bro

[@BoPunk]

@@yxon1ph Hit "Ctrl + Alt + S" while in KZbin... or, click "Scale" in the Lossless Scaling App and then click the "Chrome" tab in your bar. Easy! 👍

[@BoPunk]

@@amy-295 Watching Evangelion Neon Genesis @ 120 fps is cool. You should try it!

[@BoPunk]

@@yxon1ph "Ctrl - Alt - S" on any media player or web browser (Chrome or Edge). Enjoy fluid videos 👍

[@stegerdomos]

lossless scaling works amazingly with CPU bound games, its amazing. i can even use it for ray traced minecraft XD

[@usama2262]

Bought this a few months ago, can't ever play games like Minecraft without it, removed my need for always wanting to upgrade my system, Highly recommended

[@stegerdomos]

There is an app called something like borderless minecraft and it works super well with LS. It can be downloaded from github. I use it every time i play.

[@FOUR22]

I have been using lossless scaling for a solid minute now. It clearly won't work for some games but for games that are framerate capped or super cpu bound. Fps capped games (terraria, fallout4/Vegas) and cpu limited such as gta5 and helldivers2. Just make sure you have extra gpu usage to spare! This software eats away at my 4080 like crazy

[@Lurch-Bot]

Haven't played a FO game since I got LS but I may be playing Vegas again soon and will try LSFG. The problem is that, with the Creation engine, load times are tied to framerate. And load times get excessively long in FO4, which is why I will just uncap it and accept the broken ragdoll effects and speech. You run into similar issues with Starfield and it is no accident that the 4090 can manage just over 100fps at 4k Ultra in Starfield. Just under the point where ragdoll physics break. That also means they basically tuned the game to run worse than it has to on lower spec GPUs. As for LS 'eating your 4080 like crazy', that's just absurd. Earlier this year, I played Forza Horizon 4 at 1440p60 on a GTX 670. LS has the most efficient frame gen algorithm. AMD and Nvidia have zero motivation to optimize their frame gen solutions. Lossless Scaling devs don't have any other motivation but to make their algorithm efficient.

[@djblinboy]

Bought it. Tried it. And i am truly amazed by this small program. I think its a must have nowadays (if you have a dedicated GPU, i womt explain here why but you still need a dedicated GPU).

[@100Bucks]

Not really today in this generation. Pretty much anything you buy right now can at least hit 30fps right out of the box. The only thing that's really important is a high refresh monitor. So for example, if your monitor can do 1080p with "120HZ". And your main game is only 30fps. Times that by 4 that's 120FPS. Those new mini PC's are good enough for this program. The high refresh monitor is the most important thing for this program. If your monitor only has 60HZ, there's no real benefit using Lossless Scaling.

[@Lurch-Bot]

There is a certain amount of overhead. I got surprising results with a GTX 670 but when trying it with a Quadro K2200 (basically a 4GB 750Ti), it was pointless to use frame gen because it cut into the GPU rasterization performance too much. You could simply run Cyberpunk at 1080p lowest settings with a solid, capped 30fps with FSR or you could dial the cap down to 20 and get it running very poorly at 60fps with 3x frame gen, with a lot of latency and looking kinda muddy.

[@karllaunchbaugh5437]

It would be cool to see a power usage analysis, like just set your gpu to lock at 30 with rivo tuner and then use this to upscale to 120 FPS and then run it basically at 120 to see what your equivalent usage is. I know it’s not all the same, but in talking cost to upgrade this seems like a good comparison. Not only do you not have the new gpu cost but you also don’t have the higher power usage to get to that rather fps. Thinking like you have a 3060 with lossless scaling Vs a 4080 or something to reach rather high FPS.

[@saiibox3174]

bro's forgot half the features of afmf 2 and called it bad

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

What features ? lmao what features ? It has no features at all, just bare bones frame gen. It has a performance mode which LSFG also does. It can run on iGPU which LSFG also does. Search mode is more of a fix than a feature lol. Now lemme tell you what features LSFG can do x3 and x4 frame gen resolution scale of generated frames G sync support compatibility across any game that can run in windowed or boderless mode regardless of API supported on any GPU not just one or 2 generation of a single brand. Support for cursor sensitvity adjustment clip cursor options and off course the app includes spatial upscaling options as well.

[@dytub-george7297]

Loss less scaling has bad input lag compared to afmf ​@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat

[@RX7800XTBenchmarks]

​@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat1. X3 and X4 mode are terrible, so that's not even a flex. I don't understand how some people make a fuss about afmf2 artifacts, but try to promote lossless X3/X4 modes, which has even more artifacts and feels terrible. 2. Afmf2 works in full screen, no need to continually switch your game to windowed or borderless. 3. HDR support is terrible using lossless, no issues using afmf2 with HDR. 4. Afmf2 is FREE. However, I do like the fact lossless can be used for non games, I.e movies and videos. Both lossless and afmf2 has their use cases. But Afmf2 is far more convenient.

[@Lurch-Bot]

@@dytub-george7297 Spoken like someone who has never actually used Lossless Scaling before. I recently tried both in Cyberpunk with a very low spec system. Only LSFG produced a playable result because it does the same thing with less overhead. AMD has zero motivation to make AFMF more efficient, whereas that's the only motivation LS devs have.

[@Lurch-Bot]

@@RX7800XTBenchmarks The instructions for LSFG specifically say to use fullscreen mode. Ironically, this didn't work in Cyberpunk like in other games and I had to run borderless. I wouldn't use any frame gen algorithm above 2x. The results will always be terrible, regardless of whose implementation you are using. Even at 2x, in Cyberpunk, I noticed about a 4-6ms increase in frametimes but they were still lower than AFMF. At 2x, LSFG is noticeably superior in my experience to AFMF. Also, LS works with most games and doesn't require baked in support. LS will work on a 15 year old GPU. Lastly, the fact you cannot get a framerate cap with AFMF is why I don't use it and why I'm not going to buy a DLSS 3 compatible GPU either. The conventional 'wisdom' about framerates is very wrong and the only thing running unlocked does is give you inconsistent frametimes and stutter. But, hey, the widespread misconception is how I can stay halfway competitive in an online FPS, sliding into middle age with an as of yet still untreated thyroid problem which gives me brain fog and extreme fatigue, lol. I probably get half my kills because someone running unlocked had a stutter.

[@RandalReid]

The beta branch of LSFG was recently updated with SGSR upscaling which is supposedly lightweight.

[@RightSide-e1s]

As much as I like this tool, I will never actually use it. Even the tiniest artifacts can make me distracted, and having to turn it on everytime is annoying. Also, it just increases the dependence on AI, which is just L.

[@KianFloppa]

we got this before valorant replay system

[@NZRanger]

Thanks Vex! I purchased this a while back but didn't really get much out of it - but tried the latest version on my ARC A750 and Star Citizen has gone from 30-40FPS 2k resolution everything on max up to 140! .... and it still looks amazing!! WOO WOO ( Verified FPS with the XBox FPS counter as well )

[@DeadlyHeartss]

I love lossless scaling literally use it to watch anime all the time what alot of people might find wrong but i just love it so much

[@ShadowStick02]

lossless scaling will save us all, it just needs some fixing on hud and other stuff

[@Lurch-Bot]

This is because games commonly draw a HUD or moving map at a far lower framerate than the rest of the render is running to save on resources. Kinda like how RIVA tuner overlay doesn't run at the same framerate as your game. It isn't LS's fault the devs aren't giving them much to work with.

[@han-zo521]

Let's not forget that lossless scaling works on games that doesn't have frame gen🙏

[@Anon1370]

this is the biggest win for it not every game has frame gen been using it awhile now

[@guilhermedecarvalhofernand1629]

AFMF2 also does not require implementation, just that the engine is using directx 11-12. Both are nutty on emulation for old titles

[@dingickso4098]

Does not work on every game

[@Anon1370]

@@dingickso4098 what game does it not work on because I'm yet to find one it doesn't so tell me

[@han-zo521]

@dingickso4098 didn't have any issues

[@hinchlikescake7592]

I played Ghost of Tsushima with LS 2.1 with x3 FG at 240fps and hz and it was amazing. Seems to work really well at higher fps. Need to give it a go with more games with the latest version.

[@Lurch-Bot]

3x isn't so bad if you're starting with 80fps. But most of us are using the app to squeeze more life out of older hardware. If you can only get the game to run at 30fps at your chosen settings along with the overhead of scaling and FG, you really only want to use 2x FG. And you don't even wanna see what 4x FG looks like when the GPU is only rendering at 20fps, lol.

[@WarzoneWithDad]

Great video Vex. Your content is super interesting and you make it clear and simple to understand.

[@yarincool1237]

i tried this and it adds so much input lag it makes my hand hurt from moving the mouse so delayed.

[@Lurch-Bot]

4x frame gen sounds great but, no matter the algorithm, you're going to have some noticeable input lag. LS works best when you limit it to no more than 2x frame gen and 2x scaling. I played Forza Horizon 4 for over 100 hours at 1440p60 on a GTX 670, using 2x LS1 scaling and 2x LSFG 2.1 frame gen. I was just as competitive in ranked racing because the latency increase was basically imperceptible. There were a couple of very minor graphical glitches - the moving map was a little shaky and you would get some distortion when moving quickly through menus. Otherwise, it was a solid result. The best thing about Lossless Scaling frame gen is the fact you can dial in a locked framerate, which you cannot do with either AFMF or DLSS 3. This causes the system to always run at 100% so that any time you get a momentary increase in resource demand, you get a stutter. In general, this is why running an unlocked framerate is always a bad idea, especially on a competitive title. Another thing people don't talk about with Lossless Scaling is the fact that you can use a second, weaker GPU to handle the overhead from the app, leaving your main GPU to put all its effort into rasterization. Neither AMD nor Nvidia allow you to do this and I don't think people realize how much overhead there is with scaling and frame gen. This is why I just laugh when people talk about the 4060 and frame gen. 2x, 3x, 4x from 20fps at 1080p Ultra with RT in Cyberpunk is still going to run and look like crap.

[@surfx4804]

Great video. I use LS a lot with my laptop/eGPU. Here are some things others may want to consider. - Make sure your GPU has headroom for LS processing, drop the settings to get this. - You can run the game in lower resolution and upscale it with LS as well, or run game with FSR and then use LS - You can set LS to use a different GPU, like your iGPU. This is useful if using an eGPU on a laptop and using the laptop screen. Though you need a modern iGPU. - Lock the games FPS at a level where it is constant, not fluctuating. A fraction of your monitor frequency is good as the FG will match the monitor. This make the LS FG also smooth. More on laptop+eGPU+LS - Use eGPU to render game in 1200p (for Thunderbolt connection) and set LS to upscale and frame generate on the iGPU. - I do this with a 12500H laptop and a GPD G1 eGpu via Thunderbolt.

[@Lurch-Bot]

Yes, you can technically do these things but some of your suggestions fall into the category of 'just because you can doesn't mean you should'. Using both FSR and LS1 together will make it look like someone smeared vaseline all over your monitor. And 4x frame gen is there, but you shouldn't use it. I'm going to be trying out LSFG on my budget gaming laptop to see how it does running on the iGPU. I only have a 1650Ti and it struggles a bit with TOW Spacer's Choice. But, based on the experience I had testing LS on a Quadro K2200, I don't think UHD 630 is going to cut it. Way less powerful than your Iris Xe iGPU. Could probably handle scaling but not frame gen. Even small model AI inference requires more grunt than a crappy old intel iGPU can handle. Scaling is easier because it is far simpler interpolation. My first digital camera, more than 20 years ago, could upscale images. If you're old enough, you might be aware of the '90s action movie trope of 'enhancing' an image after zooming in. In one comedy, they quipped, 'sorry, it doesn't work that way'. Now I can do that on my smartphone. Still takes like 15 seconds, even with a NPU. Without a NPU, though, it takes infinite seconds because a smartphone iGPU isn't anywhere near being able to run the algorithm in a useful time frame. That's basically what you are doing with frame gen - inferring the value of a pixel based on the value preceding it and following it, which isn't much different than enhancing an image. You are inferring data you don't have from the data you do have. And you are doing it in realtime, with brute force, on a GPU that was never really intended to run ML algorithms. Well, I am. At the end of the day, it is still just a parlor trick. There is no such thing as a free lunch.

[@surfx4804]

@Lurch-Bot I suspect your results will be poor as you need a more modern igpu. But it would be interesting to see. For me I can play games like starfield and cyberpunk this way. In part it is to get over the thunderbolt constraints and with oculink or TB 5 I expect you would get better results just using the egpu. I mostly use the older FG or the new on performance.

[@hamzakhalil-gs7oc]

this thing finally lets me play indie games especially UE4/5 games properly on my 2080 super

[@555-v7g6o]

You can also use rivatuner to cap to a custom frame rate in any game.

[@saulnotgoodman550]

Rivatuner Nvidia reflex + lsfg has been my way to go for all games for 2 months now its way way better than normal fg... Being able to play every single story game on 180 fps with very good latency have been a dream come true to me

[@juanospina3690]

Can you explain the process you use?

[@saulnotgoodman550]

​@@juanospina3690Its really simple as it is I just use Nvidia reflex through rivatuner and then Ensure my games have at least a 45-60 base frames and turn on x3 lossless scaling with turning off vsync option in lsfg that's it

[@irvintang2751]

Been using it for a few months, it’s fking amazing! I even use it for movies and anime. I found the best way to use it is to lock FPS to 60 then activate LS.

[@0neWhoKnocks]

One thing I'd like to add is, while in game frame caps can be fine, I prefer/recommend capping frames at the driver level. So using Nvidia control panel for team green cards or Radeon chill(in AMD Software: Adrenalin Edition) for team red. I've found that in game frame caps often will allow the game to occasionally go above the cap in some situations(sometimes frequently), which can affect smoothness with lossless scaling, the built in options by Nvidia and AMD have always hard capped at what I've set and keep the game locked down.

[@jakenewholland]

thanks started watching movies and your vids with lossless scaling, we like Vex having more frames

[@J0ttaD]

Agree. AMD AFMF or whatever its called is super bad. Props to the guy that made lossless scaling actually doing better job than billionaire companies

[@walter1824]

AFMF or AFMF2 There's also FSR3 frame gen ?

[@Spectrulight]

​@@walter1824lossless scaling looks better and has better features, it also works on every gpu and any application. Afmf 2 can't quadruple your fps. It can also not do the frame gen upscale thing. It also isn't ai.

[@HunterTracks]

​​​@@Spectrulight"Lossless scaling looks better" Citation needed. Vex is not a valid citation. "it also works on every application" Not really? It depends on whether the specific frame capture method is supported. No capture = no FG. "Afmf2 can't quadruple your FPS" Why would you ever wanna do that? "It can also not do the frame gen upscale thing" AMD drivers also have built-in FSR 1 in the form of Radeon Super Resolution. They can, in fact, do both upscaling and frame gen. "It also isn't AI" And that's relevant... how, exactly? I never understand why AI is supposed to be automatically good. Edit: oh, by resolution scale frame gen you mean intentionally downscaling the input image to try to claw back some performance? I mean sure, that's nice, but if the performance was better it wouldn't be necessary.

[@evanmayes1144]

@@HunterTracks you need citation for a subjective opinion such as looks?

[@jay-d8g3v]

@@evanmayes1144 I laughed when I saw that, lol.

[@mrdinosaurproductions9507]

This didn’t work for me, crashed my game instantly, adds huge input lag, and gave me plenty of artifacts

[@reigdaer]

I think the best way to test this, is on older GPUs, so we can actually see some fps going up... Because going up of 60 fps is a plus, but 60 is the lowest target

[@Azhureus]

I can confirm, Loseeless Scaling really works, it takes a bit FPS from your game in order to run, but it doubles the FPS afterwards. I use this in Cyberpunk, from like 48 FPS without DLSS it goes to 80+. It doesnt work on fullscreen tho and there is a latency, bigger than Framegen.

[@Lurch-Bot]

All these people saying it doesn't work in fullscreen but I used LS to play Forza Horizon 4 for 100 hours in fullscreen mode. I think the important thing to remember with LS is YMMV. Doesn't always work like they say it does and won't work with literally every game. The second game I tried LS with was LA Noire and it didn't work in fullscreen or windowed or borderless mode. But I also played FH4 at 1440p60 on a GTX 670. I don't think that would have worked with AFMF, even if the game supported it. AMD and Nvidia have zero motivation to make their frame gen solutions more efficient and my experience (rather limited due to poor support) with AFMF is that LSFG is superior.

[@EravielTachibana]

Yeah, I tested this in helldivers 2. I have my game capped at 72 fps in adrenalin and used afmf 2, but I can't feel the 144fps at all. When I used this software, I feel the 144 fps now.

[@reho6760]

Adding multiple frames between real frames is not the issue anymore. Making it an overall a good responsive experience is the challenge 😉

[@0x8badbeef]

I just gave this a try. I started playing Assassin's Creed (IV 2013) Black Flags this month and it only goes up to 60 fps. Having been used to above 100 fps playing at 60 is painful. It is hard playing beyond a couple hours. This really helps. Though it is not as good as a true 120 fps it is definitely better than playing without it.

[@Crimsongz]

There is a mod for black flag to remove the 60 fps cap on nexus.

[@0x8badbeef]

@@Crimsongz thanks, much better.

[@GJ69OG]

Thanks for the video. I use the afmf 2 and it has been plenty enough so far.

[@Mo-pt2ml]

I think X2 is the best option for people who have setups which can run latest games at around 35 fps at low-medium settings and can use FG to get a pretty solid 60. The other modes are good for people with stronger setups who already get 60+ fps and want to x3 it or x4

[@01MeuCanal]

This software is very good now. It totally worth it's price 100%.

[@echohotelsix]

though i still can feel the input delay when moving my mouse even at X2 on some games (ryzen 5600, rtx 3060, space marine 2, helldivers 2, the first descendant, throne & liberty, etc), i'd still pay it if it costs $60.

[@katogonkato]

If you do x2 mode just cap your frame rate to half your monitor's refresh rate to avoid microstuttering or frame skipping. x3 = 1/3 and x4 = 1/4 of your monitor's refresh rate. I use rivatuner to cap my frames btw and it works great. I you have old hardware like rx 580 or gtx 1060 use performance mode it uses less resources in exchange for very little image quality impact but still worth it.

[@SickPrid3]

"small glitches here an there" says he as the monkey's head fades in and out of existence 🤣🤣

[@damienrobinson134]

another thing to mention that alot of pc games with a good amount of traction have mods on nexus mods that optimize the game for performance while also keeping most of your settings the same, for example cyberpunk2077 has like 20+ mods i can think of that optimize game settings and the game itself so it doesnt waste vram

[@darklakk]

I finished wukong using Lossless On a Rx 6600 XT and let me tell you if you're not a person to neat pick things its so much better and makes the game experience so much smoother and i didn't even feel it being unresponsive at all

[@snyviper]

I'm an indie game lover, and some of them don't support over 60fps. To name a few: Celeste, Noita and Nova Drift. LS does an amazing job with them! I just have to make sure to go to the nvidia control panel, and set their low latency mode to ultra. It also works wonders with gameplay videos on youtube (maybe even twitch too), I think you didn't mention that. LS can work with any window, not just games.

[@GamerNubi]

9:00 U can use it to your browser to watch anime 48fps. U can also select the main GPU for rendering and the other GPU for scaling.. I dont have second GPU to tried that, but I've tried it to my IGPU as scaler. And it is quite good

[@Skylancer727]

I use it a lot for videos too. No more movies at 24fps or youtube videos at 30fps. Though obviously not all content really benefits much from it.

[@XeonPrototype]

Been using it for KZbin videos a few days after it released, It's been my goat even for mihoyo games that have a sad 60fps lock, this program is consistantly running and even auto starts in my pc, I never have it off PS. Run the game wi down and activate the program, it will scale it to full screen or stretch it to fix your display within the settings, so even if the game goes smaller on your screen, LossLess Scaling will scale it to full screen

[@mangaas]

I use it for GZ Doom games, and for Switch Emulation. Specifically GREAT for Zelda ToTK used with the 60 fps mod. Also great for games you add a lot of mods to, like Cyberpunk, so if you add a bunch of stuff that starts hurting your FPS, use this to bump it back up. I find it looks better in Cyberpunk compared to the FSR framegen mod.

[@inraarni100]

This also good for older games which has 30 or 60 fps cap, make this type of games so much “modern”, responsive. Maybe this also try it in a video.

[@jaxondabac8808]

awesome video! I am curious if this could increase the frame rate of the steam deck? Going from 45fps to 90fps on the 90hz OLED screen would make a huge difference if the program has linux support. Edit: There are already videos on it and it works but only in windows unfortunately :/

[@thefilthycasual448]

● I'd love the RDNA4 product stack to be varied and interesting like RDNA2. Rx 6000 series was so awesome to me: I'd love: ● -Rx 8500 = rx 6600 xt-rx 6650xt /rtx 3060 12gb ● - Rx 8600 = Rx 6700 10gb ● -Rx 8700= Rx 6750 xt ● - Rx 8700 xt = Rx 7700xt/rx 6800 ● -Rx 8800 = Rx 7800xt ● -Rx 8800 xt = Rx 7900gre. ● And the pricing should be around the CURRENT pricing, as off November 2024. Max GPU cost of £700 for highest RDNA4 sku. Imagine if AMD did that. With better production features , more flesher out AV1 codec, power efficiency of Rtx 40 series. Even if the ray-tracing is say, 80%-90% as good as 40 series ray-tracing. That'll be quite nice. And please, at least FSR 3.1 in dozens to dozens more games please (minimum 3.0).

[@EdToml]

Lossless Scaling does not support Linux, no mater how good it is, its a no go here. There is however, Optiscaler,. It runs fine with Linux/Proton/Wine. To top it off its free too.

[@ivanjovanovic7118]

only if the best possible visuals aren't compromised, visuals always first, than after that we will consider if there any room for fps

[@RitzyBusiness]

I wish we could see reshade add on integration with Lossless so people can do fancy things like ignore UI. Of course it would have to be a community thing since every game would need its own addon. That's how RenoDx works at least, which doesn't render HDR on a games UI elements.

[@AlienYogurtPot123]

Using any frame generation or fps boost in this game massively increases latency to the point the game becomes incredibly difficult. i-frames matter too much in this game so best not to use FG or anything that'll increase latency.

[@-dny-]

they just updated it to 2.12

[@oMeGa0122]

If you have two GPUs you can make one of them do the FG computational work so the other won't take a hit in the base FPS. The secondary GPU has to be decent though

[@Techsnowball]

i tried 4x and it doesnt feel as good as 3x, it makes my base framerate too low, but then 3x is way better than 2x, weird

[@Gustaviustwinkelberry]

Try capping your fps to a target you can always achieve, then try the different modes to see the real results

[@Techsnowball]

​@@GustaviustwinkelberryThe problem is, it almost halves my base FPS, then it quadruples that, so in reality it only doubles it, and even then it doesn't reach 170hz...

[@manjeet29gaming6]

Gaming Devs are making games for Upscaling. Gone are the days where we had optimized games for native resolution.

[@RegalPixelKing]

This sounds like it will be useful for games with a lock frame rate. Games like Elden Ring can only run up to 60fps, you can mod it but that would disable online. Or emulated games that can only run up to 30 or 60fps can now look like they've on much better.

[@rluker5344]

Not only that, but it is on steam so if you have multiple PCs and only use one at a time then it can be used in any of those when you use it.

[@theproffessional9]

I use this to bring NFS rivals to 90 FPS, it's so much better than the 30fps cap

[@JayzBeerz]

Will this boost a 1660 ti?

[@Jerome-iwnl]

Can I download FPS? Lossless scaling: Now you can

[@listX_DE]

AFMF 2 isn't turning off at high mouse speeds. This could be due to altered settings or because you're using a 1080p monitor with the settings set to 'auto.

[@RaytheonTechnologies_Official]

Ok now do LSFG + AFMF + DLSS frame generation all together. I wanna see 1000 fps

[@Lurch-Bot]

Uhh, sorry, it doesn't work like that. All you'll get is a blurry, stuttery mess.

[@RaytheonTechnologies_Official]

@Lurch-Bot I don't care how blurry or stuttery it is, bigger number = better

[@afz902k]

I'm glad I bought Lossless Scaling, but I have not been able to get any good results with it. I tried it only with a few games, namely Conan Exiles and Stalker 1 (and its DLCs), and got horrible artifacts or ultra-lag that makes these games completely unplayable. Tested with an RX 5500 XT, so it's back to the usual 60 FPS for me though I have a 75hz screen

[@afz902k]

Btw I also have Nvidia GPUs but all are still from the GTX era. Not gonna lie, I just refuse to buy newer GPUs due to the price. I'm probably gonna keep running these old ones until they literally break

[@Ebrahim766]

In AFMF2 I can set it to work always on even when moving camera so fast , its two options that are under it , search mode and performance mode , put them on high and performance mode and FG will always work

[@argasasrgetthe9032]

I'll consider frame generation once i get a 360hz monitor one day in like 10 years. 60hz and 144hz both seem choppy to me. i can tell the difference, but its honestly not enough to care about. What i do care about is the latency!!

[@highsensefn1449]

You can also use it on all pc emulators and any type of videos

[@eliotanderson6554]

Can it handle raytracing in rx 6600 😮

[@OldBoyC]

Here for 100k 🗣🔥

[@firefang5697]

very curious to see how this would look in a vr game while in vr, if it will be trippy, a aweful experience, or an enhancing one