Grand Design Class Action, Hurricane Relief, State Park Mouse Infestation

[@Hiker_who_Sews]

How great it is to see the community coming together for those affected by the hurricanes. As always, thanks for your report!

[@sherriweber7105]

I can’t believe a family lost their home in a hurricane and then someone turns around and steals their Rv home that they got from from the last hurricane got it stolen from them from someone from this hurricane. What were the odds. Wow that Rv park looked pretty bad from the hurricane. Sad. Wow mice infestation at a state park wow and the park closes. Wow a lawsuit with Grand Design. Thank you Jason for all this information.

[@tech-test-break-fix]

Had a speed bump at my campsite last week and we watched 100 campers come and go. We watched all the GD 5th wheels and did not see any flexing or other trouble signs. A few of the towables one being a GD had several inched of tongue movement. It was crazy to watch the camper box move up and down while the tongue stayed steady.

[@richmanwisco]

Thanks for the deep dive on the Grand Design situation. The misinformation machine runs with a simplistic, black-and-white, version of the story because social media is space limited. This is a very complicated situation, but nobody has the attention span to absorb all the facts. The public just sees concern and engagement trolling. And now I know that if I can across any "class action" hysteria and it doesn't specifically call out that this is not a consumer action, I will block and move on. Keep up the great work!

[@airstreamer]

It warms the heart to see the camping community come together after these devastating hurricanes. Hope the camera man is not hurt..... Why were they standing on top of a motorhome? 🤔 Michelle

[@lyndamorrill5687]

We had a recall on our GD for frame issues which creaked terribly and of course nothing wrong with it they said. I had a feeling this would be a bigger issue down the road but too bad it’s benefiting the investors instead of the customers. We’re the ones left paying on something that is not road worthy.

[@GDRVMajorIssues]

There is no recall for this. There is a technical service bulletin (TSB) but no official recall notice. Did the dealership tell you there was a recall, specifically?

[@rvfamilylife]

I always enjoy Jason's investigative journalism. Interesting details on the article that he found.

[@cirrus820travelers9]

Frame Flex is not just an issue for Grand Design. My 2013 Montana has the same flex! It's applicable to trailer frame manufactured by Lippert.

[@glengronewold2274]

This is true. In your time frame Keystone had some frame issues with a few of their products. And they have the same issues on some Montanas still today of the same nature. KZ did also on their toy haulers later in the decade. Lippert frames seem to always but the bottom line catalyst. The manufacturer gets to decide on how to approach the fix for their products.

[@GDRVMajorIssues]

@@glengronewold2274 Actually, to better clarify for you, the RV assembly companies spec out the frame via their structural engineers, not Lippert. Now Lippert does make suggestions on these frames but you have companies like Grand Design/Winnebago that do not follow those suggestion (sort of like TSB 24-001) and at least I can say from my research and conversations with sources, Grand Design will use different floor plans for frames that were supposedly designed for one or two floor plans. When Grand Design orders thinner (less than 3/16" I-beams - fact) and lighter frames that is on them, not Lippert. I'm not trying to defend Lippert here as we know welds could/should be improved or use more robotics but sorry, this is on Grand Design all the way! And by the way, Grand Designs repairs are causing quite few customers to return anywhere from 2-5 times because of poor repairs that break again. They are trying to repair compromised frames and their repairs are just not working effectively with customer returning multiple times.

[@jerrytalley802]

I’ve been calling for a class action against these companies that have known issues like frame defects. Come on Lawyers, get off the couch and get rolling.

[@GDRVMajorIssues]

You just got to know where to look.

[@toddjones1403]

The Rock Island digs are looking good!

[@RVMiles]

Thanks!

[@RV_Tips_Tricks_Travel]

I watched a you tube video yesterday, it said that Hunter Media has invested in Winnebago but they are short selling. If Winnebago stock drops, they make money. No idea if it is accurate or not.

[@SpykersB]

Rigor rv repair did a vid on it. 🍻

[@ridingwiththerileys]

Looked like the camera man stepped on the skylight. That camera is worth more than the repair to the coach 😁 Thanks for all the great info

[@RVMiles]

We did find out shortly after this was posted that it was the bathroom skylight the camera man put his right foot on.

[@martyh4777]

Class action lawsuits against RV manufacturers need to happen to the point where these RV manufacturers loose massively and get a wake-up call and fix their designs, processes, and customer service approach. They also need to implement at least an ISO 9001 quality/business management system.

[@GDRVMajorIssues]

What needs to happen is that plaintiffs need stop settling with the RV companies and take it all the way to trial. There, plaintiffs don't have to sign NDAs and the judge or jury need to award very large amounts of money to where they will feel it. Once it goes into settlement then companies like Grand Design get to keep it quiet like they did during the Gorecki vs. Grand Design lawsuit, that was supposed to be a class action lawsuit instead. He signed an NDA, got his settlement, and the rest of the class was left hanging. Ask me how I know!

[@richmanwisco]

@@GDRVMajorIssues Because you're Gorecki?

[@WestsontheMove]

@@richmanwiscoAbsolutely not as even Jason can verify! -Pete

[@icare7151]

Very well stated!

[@timf6916]

Good information.

[@foot2]

Good choice with a lav mic for a video. The big Shure SM7B doesn’t need more camera time.

[@RVMiles]

@@foot2 actually it was a disaster and took me a couple hours to recover the audio to usable form. The echo in our space is still just too much at the moment for it.

[@icare7151]

The RV USA industry is at a critical juncture as hundreds of thousands purchased new and used RVs for the first time durning the pandemic and reality of how poorly USA RVs are built and serviced quickly came to the forefront! The RV industry’s self regulating board has legislators and special interest PACs in their organization. Thus, Bills that have been proposed to require massive improvements in laws that require the RV industry to significantly improve safety, quality control and consumer rights such as enhanced Lemmon laws never get passed or even out of legislators committees. Politicians chase the money at the expense of the consumer.

[@anthonyb2334]

My opinion after 40 years of RV’ing: Yes, I think there is a design problem with some of these trailers and Fifth-wheels, but there can also be problems exacerbated or created by how they are driven, loaded, and cared for. Over the past week I’ve seen several rigs overloaded, or driving WAY to fast, have the wrong tow setup, or the wrong tow vehicle. Do the manufacturers need to step up? Absolutely. But if I screw it up it’s my fault. I DID OVERLOAD and break a frame. A very expensive lesson, so I’m sensitive to the possibility. That’s just my opinion. Thank you

[@caniacstevehenderson7115]

Thank you 😮

[@charlesperry1051]

My parents have a Grand Design (or poor design) RV. No frame issues yet, but nearly everything else has had issues. All of the issues started happening just out of warranty of course. The power awning is dead. I have had to troubleshoot and replace several electrical outlets. The RV is a hot mess.

[@charlesperry1051]

And before someone says these are minor issues, the outlet issues I found could have resulted in a fire which could be dangerous to the occupants. A bad frame means you can't tow it, a bad electrical outlet could mean you wake up to your RV on fire. Grand Design makes bad RVs. I will never own one.

[@GDRVMajorIssues]

@@charlesperry1051 I'm so glad you said this. Thank you sir! Send your parents over to me to help them out.

[@turnbullstravels735]

Well done on the Grand Design story! As you started with the story, I started googling Hunterbrook and Rosen to see if they were “in bed together”. Then found the New Yorker article on Hunterbrook’s sleazy game…I glance back at your video and yup, there’s the article on your screen. Class action lawsuits are great for lawyers, and almost never benefit any plaintiffs in any meaningful way. Thanks for your research on this.

[@GDRVMajorIssues]

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. I know about that same very article you are talking about. At least Hunterbrook Media did the investigative journalism and all the research behind it where Wall Street Journal and Reuters News wouldn't even bother looking into this after wasting my time. Hunterbook Media should be commended for doing the article that everyone else was afraid to do!

[@ReflectedMiles]

....and over a 2% intraday loss. Nobody in their right mind could take them seriously for anything other than their hope of collecting legal fees somewhere, somehow. I have never been a fan of Grand Design--their problems are well-deserved as they should have 1) actually engineered their products, and 2) engineered them to at least the standards of their marketing department's claims--but this is just adding to the nonsense.

[@GDRVMajorIssues]

@@ReflectedMiles How else does anyone get Winnebagos/Grand Design's attention on their poor build quality, let alone the safety aspect of potential danger out on the road. This is a reckless comment by you! They are too busy covering up their screw ups and are good at doing so but this now exposes them out in the open. They deserve to be sued considering NHTSA will not act on the consumer's behalf in a timely manny. They allow the RV industry to "self certify and self regulate". Ask me how I know this!

[@ReflectedMiles]

@@GDRVMajorIssues I am well aware, but that substance does not underlie this report or investor-recovery filing. The points that Jason made in the video about it are exactly correct. It’s not a minimizing of GD’s or the industry’s issues, but only pointing out that this approach isn’t going to get those who have actually suffered the losses from those issues any kind of recovery, nor will it stop the losses of future customers in the process. The only real answer here is firm regulatory action that the dealers association is unable to avoid, no matter how much they invest in their political lobbying and contributions instead of in engineering and quality manufacturing.

[@diann546]

I don't want to imply that there isn't a frame failure problem. I have seen videos where the required bolts were not placed and I wonder whether the frames truly support the floor plans they are used for. However, recently, my husband and I drove our truck to High Rock Bay, east of Copper Harbor Michigan. The road had holes 4+ feet deep and 10-15 ' wide, with rocks jutting out of the 1-3' of water. When we reached the end of the road, someone had towed their E-Pro trailer there. You can't tell me that at least one of the welds was compromised. There also were different color fluids on the gravel, after some of the holes. People in cars were bragging at how they went through and made it. Little do they know, that they have a tow in their future. That doesn't include the possible electrical problems in the next few months. People have little common sense these days.

[@SouthwesternTraveler]

Hi Jason, I want to know what brand RV was the camera man standing on? Safe Travels! 🙂

[@davidew98]

Yes, frame flex is a serious issue. But this was definitely stock manipulation and the class action is in on it as well.

[@GDRVMajorIssues]

How else do you think this will get their attention then? Does shorting their stock affect you? Then why worry about it and focus on the story behind why their stock is getting shorted. The reason! Yes, there is possible class actions but for the investors, not us as the consumers. That is all that has happened and even that still needs plaintiffs before it can be filed as a class action in a court of law. What else do you think is going to wake these RV companies up? Do we as consumers just continue to take it in the jaw from companies like Winnebago and Grand Design? Do you expect people to just sit back and stay complacent while they lose thousands of dollars and their valuable time? Just give this some thought.

[@popdaddyg]

Class action lawsuits are a joke, no one wins except the lawyers. We’ve had GD 5th wheels since 2014 with no issues.

[@anthonyb2334]

My opinion after 40 years of RV’ing: Yes, I think there is a design problem with some of these trailers and Fifth-wheels, but there can also be problems exacerbated or created by how they are driven, loaded, and cared for. Over the past week I’ve seen several rigs overloaded, or driving WAY to fast, have the wrong tow setup, or the wrong tow vehicle. Do the manufacturers need to step up? Absolutely. But if I screw it up it’s my fault. I DID OVERLOAD and break a frame. A very expensive lesson, so I’m sensitive to the possibility. I’m not a big fan of these lawsuits. That’s just my opinion. Thank you

[@Cometman2007]

I find it interesting that a number of KZbin Grand Design “ambassadors” have been ‘given’ the Winnebago Lineage for testing over the past few months…. What are your thoughts on this?

[@davidnewton6441]

AMEN

[@MaryWehmeier]

Okay question is: How bad was the CAMERA damaged? We heard the cameraman got cut up and has a significant sprain.

[@RVMiles]

@@MaryWehmeier right? It was probably worth more than the RV

[@robertnasser9937]

Its not only GD, it is others

[@carlbeaver7112]

Too bad they didn't include Winnie's garbage roof structure.

[@GDRVMajorIssues]

That also includes GD garbage roofs. I have a member right now who is dealing with this and it is only 6 months old.

[@icare7151]

Was it another failed rotted, moldy Winnebago roof the cameraman fell through? Winnebago has one of the poorest designed RV roofs in the industry.

[@DblOSmith]

You don't have to know anything about class action lawsuits except that the only people getting money are the lawyers.

[@mikewalker4134]

Not to mix up the grand design pot too much, G D extended their frame warranty from 3 years to 5. Marketing ploy or giving customers a little peace of mind? Lots of you tube videos on this subject from reputable bloggers, like big truck big RV, Bishes R V Nerd and more. From my research on the frame issue, it seems that the frame issue is mostly on big toy boxes that are Easly overloaded. I have been repairing trailers for 46 years. Toy box owners always load up the storage compartment under the bed area with tools, helmets, BBQ, propane tanks batteries ETC. Exceeding to pin box rating. Then they off road the trailer, and guess what, frame issue. Should G D over build the frame on toy boxes to compensate? I think, yes. My G D fifth wheel is not a toy box. (2021 32 MKS). I weighed the trailer loaded and weighed the pin box weight. All weights are below G D specs. I feel confident that my trailer will make it long past the warranty period on the frame. Mike

[@ZonaJim]

When GDRV started to deal with this issue, they started weighing 100% of the RVs that came into their service center. Many of them were significantly overweight. So the word got out and owners started unloading their rigs before taking them to the service center.

[@GDRVMajorIssues]

@@ZonaJimDo you also include the RVs like the Solitude 390rk (with only two axles) that are GVWR overweight when they come off the factory floor? Do you also include the under developed frames for an almost 46' 5th wheel toy hauler (like my Momentum 395ms)? See we haven't even gotten into all that yet. Let's talk about the I-beams being less than 3/16' (to be exact, 0.188") for a 5th wheel toy hauler. I just love all these armchair quarterbacks who haven't done their research. It is almost embarrassing...for them! Actually, I instructed many of our owners to unload everything out of their GD RVs and weigh it at the Cat Scales (with no truck connected or on the scales) down the road from the Grand Design Customer Service Center so they could see the true dry weight compared to the so-called DOT weight stickers THEY put on these RVs. They are lying about the weights of many of these RVs and then try to use being overweight as a way to get out of someone's warranty. Jim, stop before you embarrass yourself in front of everyone here. II'd swear you must be either a GD employee or may be one of these people below. Affiliation (paid or otherwise) with Grand Design RV or Winnebago, such as employee, supplier, brand ambassador, social media influencer, social media contributor, rally wagon master, etc.

[@ZonaJim]

@@GDRVMajorIssues So you're not denying that owners with frame issues were overloaded?

[@ZonaJim]

@@GDRVMajorIssues Actually just an owner of a really nice RV who is really irritated with people who are bringing down the resale value of my purchase because of all the whining on social media.

[@WestsontheMove]

@@ZonaJimMaybe you should direct your blame on the company who poorly design and engineered your RV. Maybe you should try to get a buy back since you seem to love the company that actually devalued your rig.

[@campnut6076]

Don't you just love attorneys? Class action lawsuit to benefit - themselves and investors NOT the people left with a $70K+ boat anchor sitting in the yard worth nothing.

[@GDRVMajorIssues]

What experience do you personally have with class action attorneys. What is your educated knowledge of this type of law?

[@kristenwolfe2100]

I think class action lawsuits may be one of the only ways to hold companies accountable. The government certainly isn’t.

[@kar-r5i4f]

i would never own a 5th wheel, this is just my option, as a design engineer, these vehicles are not designed to travel down a highway with heavy loads. I see so many people broke down because of there frame flex issues. parts falling off after traveling long distance ECT

[@richmanwisco]

Ugh, I read the comments. Big mistake. Look people, you need to know a few things about class action lawsuits. Anybody who thinks that a lawsuit will result in full remediation to the plaintiffs is simply on drugs. The ONLY winners in the process are the law firms for the parties. A law firm will only file a suit IF they are certain they will profit from it. The whole process is insanely expensive and time consuming. And only a tiny fraction of such suits reach trial. They invariably are settled well in advance, with the law firms reaping the most benefit. They are the only ones who win. You may not like that Grand Design is working privately with claimants to resolve their issues, but they made a calculated decision that to do so will have the least impact to their bottom line. If a class action is filed, all bets are off. Any member of the class relinquishes any other claims against Grand Design and must accept whatever the settlement turns out to be. And any settlement will be for pennies on the dollar. Believe me, I was a member of a class in a lawsuit and that was the result. I was not made whole. That's not the purpose of a class action lawsuit. Jason is on top of this. Keep up the great work!

[@GDRVMajorIssues]

Just to add to this story, the CEO/President of Grand Design, Don Clark was just named the President of Winnebago brands RV towables division. So the man ultimately responsible for all these poorly built Grand Design RVs, to include all the frame failure is now in charge of ALL towable RVs throughout the entire Winnebago/Grand Design line. C'mon, it doesn't get much better than this, right? I almost forgot, the guy that Winnebago sent over to run all the production for Grand Design left after 10 days. Tell me he didn't see the writing on the wall early on. They don't get any dumber than this at Winnebago/Grand Design.

[@hamradios-wd8nvn]

First Again...

[@dougwilliams3276]

Darn, you straight to heck! LOL. We really have to get a life

[@hamradios-wd8nvn]

@@dougwilliams3276 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@paulgreen2303]

Hunterbrook "media" is doing this with a wide range of companies. They are basically doing a stock manipulation in multiple industries and it's starting to get the attention of the SEC. The entire concept of a hedge fund "media" company is getting a lot of general business press discussion and not in a good way.

[@GDRVMajorIssues]

I'm not so sure I agree with your analysis on this. They are exposing companies like Winnebago/Grand Design where regular media is not even touching these stories. Can they benefit from it? Sure and why not? They are doing ALL the research and investigation. As long as it also benefits the consumer then I am 100% behind them. Corporate America has been ripping off American consumers for a long, long time and they should be exposed.

[@TheBandit7613]

I've seen what Grand Design owners have gone thru. I buy a new RV every few years. Grand Design won't be considered.

[@GDRVMajorIssues]

I have seen over 5800 members (since March 21, 2024) that own Grand Design RVs (maybe not quite all 5800) and I speak to them over the phone about their stories so we are in good company my friend about what we have seen and heard. One would ask why so many people have joined my Facebook site in almost 7 months if there wasn't a problem with the Grand Design RVs. We also have non-scientific data to help us track these issues and the circumstances around them.

[@ZonaJim]

@@GDRVMajorIssues Many of them joined to give feedback to the company. You have a ton of spies on there.

[@gtj2020]

No, there's no bias in your decision at all, maybe you're worried about losing your sponsors too...

[@RVMiles]

If I was worried about losing sponsors I wouldn't be talking about it at all. We are not sponsored by RV manufacturers.

[@GDRVMajorIssues]

RV Miles did a very fair video on this so easy does it. He doesn't know everything that is going on and maybe one day Jason and I will talk about everything.

[@GregPrince-io1cb]

Hunterbrook media is owned by Hunterbrook investments whic has big money invested in shorting winnebago stock.... Big play