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Grand Theft Auto 5: Xbox Series S Next-Gen Features Tested - 60FPS, Loading Times and More!

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Is everything intact on Xbox Series S? We put Microsoft's entry-level console through its paces with direct comparisons to Series X - where ray-traced shadows proved a highlight. Performance at 60fps appears to be on average worse off on Series S overall, despite the drop to a native 1080p - but is it still playable? Tom finds out.
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@TheLegendOf43
@TheLegendOf43 2 жыл бұрын
I cant speak for everyone, but ray tracing isnt as important to me as frame rate and polygon/texture quality. But to each their own
@Nicolo-ue9xu
@Nicolo-ue9xu 2 жыл бұрын
The normal shadow effect in cutscene are awful without rtx when the shadow start flickering is really hard to not look at it
@okaybutwhythough7456
@okaybutwhythough7456 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly in this case it's really not worth it. The RT shadows are nice, but they don't add enough to the image as you'll rarely look so close up and it's limited to sun shadows. Even if you do look closely, its a bit humorous to look at the lifelike shadows on a low poly model. The game has a nice looking aesthetic, but the fidelity of geometry and textures had to be massively cut down because of the scale and the 7th gen limitations, even the PC's upgraded version wasn't nearly up to standards of the time in that regard. After almost a decade, even a small official remastering effort would be nice, but with how the studio and publisher have been over the years, it probably won't happen.
@robinfuijk
@robinfuijk 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I can't tell the difference during gameplay between regular shadows and RT shadows. In side-by-side comparisons there are obvious differences, but I couldn't spot them on my own. I do play in performance RT mode on PS5 though, just because DF recommended that setting.
@Shibu_PL
@Shibu_PL 2 жыл бұрын
Ray tracing is still a gimmick if you ask me. Who the hell pays so much attention to shadows and reflections in games. Those are small details not worth the hassle, especially if you play a game that is action heavy.
@okaybutwhythough7456
@okaybutwhythough7456 2 жыл бұрын
@@Shibu_PL It isn't exactly a gimmick, but I'd rather just wait until the implementations aren't half baked and performance is good enough.
@a54
@a54 2 жыл бұрын
This should've been a free Smart Delivery update across current gen consoles. Great analysis, disappointing lack of ambition from Rockstar.
@theanimerapper6351
@theanimerapper6351 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnny7285 or maybe they actually updated the game and made it look way better.... It even looks better than the PC in certain areas yet you don't want them to charge 10 bucks? Ungrateful
@MrJamiez
@MrJamiez 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine being poor asking for this game to om SD. 😂
2 жыл бұрын
@@theanimerapper6351 it's a temporary discount, though. The regular price is 40.
@cidfacetious3722
@cidfacetious3722 2 жыл бұрын
@@theanimerapper6351 it is the pc version with minimal upgrades. Basically better smoke. That’s about it
@ArkaneStephanie
@ArkaneStephanie 2 жыл бұрын
They made the upgrade so annoying and limited, especially with online, for a few extra bucks in one of the most profitable games ever made
@austinjohnson8597
@austinjohnson8597 2 жыл бұрын
Considering that the Series S is outselling the Series X, devs really need to spend more time optimizing for the S, because it's in more people's hands. It has the power to handle most games, it's about the effort that is put in from the developers.
@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe
@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe 2 жыл бұрын
It's a perfectly capable 1080p to 1440p at 60fps console. (of course depending on the game engine etc). And yeah the series S over the holiday season will have easily outsold any other console. Devs need to put in the work as some recent games aren't performing too well.
@AlphaladZXA
@AlphaladZXA 2 жыл бұрын
It's probably gonna stay this way until last gen is over
@DrJones20
@DrJones20 2 жыл бұрын
@@JudeTheKZbinPoopersubscribe Outsold the PS5? Really?
@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe
@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe 2 жыл бұрын
@@DrJones20 I'm not sure about that. But the availability is so high that everyone that wanted a console will have picked up a series S over anything else.
@hunterbowser667
@hunterbowser667 2 жыл бұрын
@@DrJones20 considering the Xbox is currently purchasable without hassle yeah. It probably was the best selling sku
@PuneetMhajan
@PuneetMhajan 2 жыл бұрын
They did the bare minimum. They know that to make money in today's world, you don't really need to innovate. All you need is a basic "good enough" product and that's it, keep bringing hype and new stuff, and new people will show interest, and the cycle never ends. Excellency isn't rewarded THAT much in today's world anymore.
@dr.svencarlin146
@dr.svencarlin146 2 жыл бұрын
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@unrelatedpopcornfire9823
@unrelatedpopcornfire9823 2 жыл бұрын
This is a series S. Of course they did the bare minimum.
@tyler3622
@tyler3622 Жыл бұрын
@@unrelatedpopcornfire9823 bro the Series s is sold more than the X
@HarryB4497
@HarryB4497 2 жыл бұрын
It would be nice if we eventually got a video about GTA Online and its performance. GTA Online has a bunch of background scripts running all the time that affects performance, and GTA Online is the main player focus really since it’s responsible for most of the long term success with GTA V.
@ArkaneStephanie
@ArkaneStephanie 2 жыл бұрын
The app is literally called GTA Online now instead of GTA 5
@bigdaddy5303
@bigdaddy5303 2 жыл бұрын
I loved the one player game. Only Rockstar game Ive played to the end. Never tried online, it just doesn't interest me. I wish it would die a swift death so they can get off their ass and release gta6. It's comical that we skipped an entire console generation. No doubt because their vision required more powerful hardware...but still, it's time to throw this game in the bin.
@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe
@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe 2 жыл бұрын
@@bigdaddy5303 they only skipped a whole console generation with gta 6 because rdr2 took them the majority of the xbox one and ps4 gen to develop.
@liaminwales
@liaminwales 2 жыл бұрын
Suspect online is to random depending on what your doing to get a good picture of performance.
@bls3746
@bls3746 2 жыл бұрын
@@JudeTheKZbinPoopersubscribe they have completely seperate development teams for gta and red dead redemption so that’s no excuse
@FutureAlien
@FutureAlien 2 жыл бұрын
Technically, the Series S version seems to be about what I expected and I agree that there was a lack of ambition here. But the most important issue for the next-gen versions is the price. This should have been a free update, the likes of which we have seen a lot of. I'd imagine they could have used the good publicity after the GTA Trilogy debacle but hey, what do I know...
@X_Leonhart
@X_Leonhart 2 жыл бұрын
TakeTwo, and any other publisher for that matter, knows that most gamers have a really short time memory. You can screw them up in December, and they will be hyped as hell for your next game in February. If gamers doesn’t respect themselves and their own money, why game publishers should do it?
@allthis701
@allthis701 2 жыл бұрын
They didn't even care enough to release an xbox one x/ps4 pro update for their game, simply because they wouldn't be able to charge people for that. The game still runs at 900p on xbox one x. It's unbelievable.
@dillonduke1662
@dillonduke1662 2 жыл бұрын
For me it's more about how it's becoming a growing problem. I worry about my s going forward
@Gavin-Leo--uk
@Gavin-Leo--uk 2 жыл бұрын
@@dillonduke1662 .... I think it's more to do with being lazy. The series s is the one s of current generation. The power difference of the series s and series X which uses the same current gen architecture, is no different than the power difference of the one s and one X.
@dillonduke1662
@dillonduke1662 2 жыл бұрын
@@Gavin-Leo--uk idk. DF seems to be worried
@fpstechtesting7653
@fpstechtesting7653 2 жыл бұрын
I guess it's no suprise that we have a lower resolution and no RT on series s. Both of those require plenty of VRAM. 1080p is just fine at 60fps, but what's most annoying are those drops, surely bespoke changes could have been made by Rockstar to get a better lock?
@TheFirstRealChewy
@TheFirstRealChewy 2 жыл бұрын
We are all still waiting to see games built from the ground up for the current gen consoles. All we have to play right now are cross-gen games and enhancements. We should start seeing what the systems can really do around Fall 2023 which will be enough time for games designed around the new hardware to start rolling out. This also applies to the PS5.
@BenoHourglass
@BenoHourglass 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheFirstRealChewy Yeah, games are still being targeted for last-gen, which assumes a strong GPU + weak CPU, which currently leaves the Series S behind for next-gen features. Though the CPU in the Series S is actually more powerful than the one in the PS5, so that'll be something interesting to look forward to.
@c_5706
@c_5706 2 жыл бұрын
Yea especially while using explosions and fires on ground or cars
@219SilverChoc
@219SilverChoc 2 жыл бұрын
What’s making this version of the game much more demanding than last gen and PC at very high settings? Most of the improvements other than ray tracing seem to be a lot of small improvements that shouldn’t cost too much on their own, so I don’t get why it’s running worse than it did on GTX 970/R9 290x tier cards. I would understand if they increased draw distances, ultra tier grass and even higher quality AF, but draw distances are still PS4/XBO level despite the significant CPU improvement.
@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe
@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe 2 жыл бұрын
Lazy millennial devs over at rockstar games have fumbled the football yet again.
@219SilverChoc
@219SilverChoc 2 жыл бұрын
@@JudeTheKZbinPoopersubscribe probably more accurate to say, rushed devs at Rockstar shitting out another edition.
@johnrambo4245
@johnrambo4245 2 жыл бұрын
Rockstar are lazy bastards That's the problem 😕
@Alphabet7
@Alphabet7 2 жыл бұрын
@@JudeTheKZbinPoopersubscribe Rockstar has the greatest devs in the whole world. They are just overworked like crazy and I'm pretty sure making this game was probably a test to get hired on the GTA 6 team or something. Blame the executives they are horrible I fucking despise capitalism
@crestofhonor2349
@crestofhonor2349 2 жыл бұрын
@@Alphabet7 And without capitalism these games wouldn't exist.
@williamcrms
@williamcrms 2 жыл бұрын
The Series S has circa three times the GPU horsepower of an Xbox One yet drops to mid-30fps at 1080p (same res as XB1) with no RT enhancements or other major upgrades. Rockstar must have spent ten minutes tops working on this version.
@bigpileofpuke
@bigpileofpuke 2 жыл бұрын
Series S is a weak little girly box
@brutalschel
@brutalschel 2 жыл бұрын
My exact thoughts. My og base Xbox One pulls 1080p 30fps. R* is just laughing at players at this point.
@davidwooten7212
@davidwooten7212 2 жыл бұрын
I agree. I look at the Series S as a better version of the PS4 Pro actually. GPUs are in the ballpark of each other, RDNA2 feature set and much higher clock speed helps there, and it has a processor that runs circles around 8th generation consoles. I'm still amazed at what I can get out of my PS4 slim, so really there is no reason for the Series S, IMO of course, to not perform even better than last gen premium consoles at 1080p all the time.
@NXDf7
@NXDf7 2 жыл бұрын
@@bigpileofpuke i think you're projecting
@DC3Refom
@DC3Refom 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I totally agree with that, also the zen 2 cores are at least 5 - 7 times faster than the jaguar tablet lower power cores in the xbox one, ps4 etc there's no excuse its a lazy Tweak and port 60fps min with no drop should be no problem and 120fps at 1080p maybe should be feasible this version, xbox series x and ps5 are piss poor
@SITSIndustries
@SITSIndustries 2 жыл бұрын
We love you Tom!!!
@Fidolorous
@Fidolorous 2 жыл бұрын
Tom is the Man!!
@ToadyEN
@ToadyEN 2 жыл бұрын
Get a room!
@Henlak-
@Henlak- 2 жыл бұрын
GTAO really killed R*'s ambition This should've been a free "upgrade" that we got from the launch of next gen. A quick 60FPS patch should've come on day 1 then they could add the "Ray tracing" later
@VuBeClan
@VuBeClan 2 жыл бұрын
Why should it be free? Imho the price is fair for the work they put in, we need GTA6 ASAP though.
@Henlak-
@Henlak- 2 жыл бұрын
@@VuBeClan This game has now been released 4 times, all of which they have asked you to re-buy it. XB360, XB1, PC, XBSX/S There is no reason why players should be asked to purchase the exact same product 4 times. These changes are nowhere near significant enough to ask for money again. This isnt a free to play game and let's not forget that. It's a monetized game that has made them billions over the 9 years it's been milked. There is little to no justification they should ask for money for this product AGAIN. As for GTA6. Yep I agree but they're not going to release it any time soon if they know they can just keep charging players for the same game. Willingly paying for this game again is counter productive to the players Edit: Ooo and as I finish this comment they announce GTA+. Another way for R* to charge even more money on a monthly basis for this game. Their balls are remarkable
@thebigzan
@thebigzan 2 жыл бұрын
@@VuBeClan what work? they literally slapped PC near max out settings and unlocked framerate and called it a day.
@VuBeClan
@VuBeClan 2 жыл бұрын
@@thebigzan and you think they do that with some one click button setup they have? They have to recompile the game with a different new SDK, takes lots of man power to do so. Every Architecture is different, seems like 99% who don’t understand this are people who have zero interest in how these games work.
@tablettablete186
@tablettablete186 2 жыл бұрын
@@VuBeClan Dude, using too much copium is bad for health!!!
@danbooke2001
@danbooke2001 2 жыл бұрын
The problem isn't the Series S (yes, it's not up to par with PS5 and Series X). The problem is this "port" doesn't do much to take advantage of current gen features. It's like developers are porting their titles to this gen and just being fine with SSD load speeds and calling it a "next gen upgrade".
@johnbishop2536
@johnbishop2536 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah even the much stronger PS5 and Series X feel a bit underutilised where as much older and weaker PC's have done a much better job especially with mods, before Rockstar banned them lol.
@DrJones20
@DrJones20 2 жыл бұрын
@O N Stronger than S
@SOoFlyy_o
@SOoFlyy_o 2 жыл бұрын
@O N xbox stronger? Lol
@jhamer18
@jhamer18 2 жыл бұрын
Series s as usual not optimised properly. This is no excuse, there's alot of games with higher detail that work absolutely fine. Rockstar didn't bother optimising
@jhamer18
@jhamer18 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnbishop2536 stronger? How much "muscle" does it have?
@HdezJorge13
@HdezJorge13 2 жыл бұрын
Most of the people I know with a Series S don’t care about ray tracing. They didn’t buy the console with that feature in mind. For them performance/loading times and features like quick resume are what matter the most. Most of them say they can’t tell the difference between rt/on and rt/off.
@dr.svencarlin146
@dr.svencarlin146 2 жыл бұрын
👆👆 congrats you have been selected among the shortlisted winner's 🎊🎊🎊..........
@sheppo
@sheppo 2 жыл бұрын
Meanwhile watchdogs legion does full ray tracing just fine on the SX. Feels a lot like this is a cut corner by the dev rather than a technical limitation on a 9 year old game.
@SOTVT
@SOTVT 2 жыл бұрын
The raytracing in WD Legion on PS5 and SX can look horrible at times,super noisy an grainy. But it's one of the very few games that utilize it properly on consoles.
@optimistprime2751
@optimistprime2751 2 жыл бұрын
It's not that the xbox series S is being left behind though. If you want a true example of what it's capable of look no further than metro Exodus enhanced edition. Even on the less powerful series S console it's still able to push 60 FPS and full ray tracing global illumination With only dynamic 1080P resolution as the cost. These games are not fully optimized to take full advantage of what these systems have to offer. And it's a shame that these choices are not here.
@dr.svencarlin146
@dr.svencarlin146 2 жыл бұрын
👆👆 congrats you have been selected among the shortlisted winner's 🎊🎊🎊.......
@AIIEYESONME
@AIIEYESONME 2 жыл бұрын
Like Tom said. It's a complete lack of ambition on R* part.
@Sweatedsiren895
@Sweatedsiren895 2 жыл бұрын
R* sucks at delivering Drs
@Deadsea_1993
@Deadsea_1993 2 жыл бұрын
I don't see S getting left behind at all. It is capable of quite a lot when developers put the effort into it. If it were something like a Switch when it came to power, then obviously I'd agree that it would have to get left behind. Natively, you're not putting anything like most modern games on hardware that is slightly better than a 360 or Ps3. Yet the S really can run games very well and make them look really good too. I got it while waiting to find a Series X and I was truly surprised by how AC Valhalla and Red Dead Redemption 2 looked and ran.
@colonian83
@colonian83 2 жыл бұрын
i mean it can go as low as 512p. ray tracing is just terrible right now. but resolution is one thing, texture quality is more important
@cameraman404
@cameraman404 2 жыл бұрын
“There’s no ray tracing on series s but only on series x “ Like there’s ray tracing to begin with
@princek4797
@princek4797 2 жыл бұрын
Lmao
@Orain88
@Orain88 2 жыл бұрын
I hope FSR 2.0 will make a big difference for series S allowing for more raytracing and more upsampled 4k support.
@frankfrickinbowers9171
@frankfrickinbowers9171 2 жыл бұрын
LMFAOOOO
@Orain88
@Orain88 2 жыл бұрын
@@frankfrickinbowers9171 how very articulate 👌
@GamerNXR
@GamerNXR 2 жыл бұрын
Well we can at least dream can't we.
@Orain88
@Orain88 2 жыл бұрын
@@GamerNXR personally I don't think it's unrealistic. They've already announced fsr 2.0 will be supported on Series platforms. I'm just curious how much of a difference it will make. So far the only game I'm aware of that used fsr 1.0 on Series S was Myst. That did allow it to have 1440p 60 fps and 4k 30 fps modes and they looked quite nice. I really do think fsr 2.0 will become very important for the extended lifespan of the Series S.
@Bk_owns
@Bk_owns 2 жыл бұрын
Do you care I have a 6800 xt?
@Ed-qv2qd
@Ed-qv2qd 2 жыл бұрын
I disagree with the statement that the Series S not having raytracing on this title is a sign the system is being left behind. We are talking about an aged title here which is not using any current gen enhancements. The mere rerelease of this title is a money grab at best; I'm doubtful a significant amount of resources was allocated towards optimization for current gen architectures. To do so would essentially be a full rewrite of the engine code would it not? Personally I haven't found raytracing in general to be the defining feature that tech review sites like Digital Foundry try to make it out to be. On all systems the implementation hasn't been great and I certainly am not willing to trade off the huge drop in FPS to enable the feature. My personal opinion is the overwhelming majority of gamers don't even notice the enhanced visuals raytracing brings. Series S will continue to be a viable option this gen and will not be left behind. If you want all the graphic bells and whistles enabled in games, then buy the more premium priced models. For many though they just want to play current gen games and are ok sacrificing a little on the graphic fidelity side.
@ultimategohan1551
@ultimategohan1551 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah the consensus is that once last is done being developed for series s should only get better, but time will tell.
@BradyPartain
@BradyPartain 2 жыл бұрын
Idk runs fine on my series x, should have gotten the x
@ormancadam6453
@ormancadam6453 2 жыл бұрын
you are a fanboy.
@ormancadam6453
@ormancadam6453 2 жыл бұрын
admit it , you bought shit. its SHİT!!
@Ed-qv2qd
@Ed-qv2qd 2 жыл бұрын
@@ormancadam6453 I actually have a Series X. I'd have no problem buying a Series S though and I'm sure I'd be satisfied with its performance. Regardless I'm not buying this new GTA edition so could care less tbh. Just pointing out that using GTA lack of raytracing on Series S is not evidence that the system is being left behind.
@pherron7471
@pherron7471 2 жыл бұрын
To be honest, I don't really notice ray tracing unless it on water or shiny stuff and even then, when I'm in the thick of the action it still just blends into the background. It doesn't affect my overall game enjoyment as a gameplay improvement like good AI would. Until they can implement it without the performance hit most developers should omit it. 99% of players won't even notice it. It should definitely be in picture mode though.
@danielvanark4660
@danielvanark4660 2 жыл бұрын
It’s not realistic implementing RT comes without a performance hit. I agree with you that it’s a feature that can be left excluded in favour of higher framerates and other visual flourishes. Demon’s souls remake is one example. Tons of people thought it used some form of RT, but uses more traditional methods instead. It’s a great example RT isn’t needed in rendering a believable world.
@myztik5716
@myztik5716 2 жыл бұрын
You don't notice it until it's gone then you super notice it. Depends on the game though, it wouldn't matter much here for GTA5's implementation
@pherron7471
@pherron7471 2 жыл бұрын
@@myztik5716 Yeah, but no RT isn't stopping anyone from playing a game. Stupid AI will. Some people act like they're too good to play 30FPS games now. LOL
@AgentLemmon
@AgentLemmon 2 жыл бұрын
Ray tracing, to me, has to be the most overrated graphical feature ever. Mostly it looks even better without
@Tomfoolery82
@Tomfoolery82 2 жыл бұрын
I’m glad I’m not the only one lol
@hotdognl70
@hotdognl70 2 жыл бұрын
Just noticed something funny about the difference in shadows: While technicaly the diffuse shadows should be more correct I'm still not completely sure wich version appears more natural. The diffuse shadows are still as dark as the smaller, non RT shadows. The effect should not just expand a diffuse shadow but also make the shadows less dark. Seems R* is still trying to master the use of RT and has forgotten that more is not always better. Just as they did with the new broken glas effects.
@kanpeki2485
@kanpeki2485 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I’m saying RT shadows are so pointless lmao
@Battleneter
@Battleneter 2 жыл бұрын
Yea honestly I don't give a crap either, to me RT shadows usually look a little softer and different, but not necessarily better. Personally I think they should ditched RT shadows on XBSX and PS5 and use that performance overhead elsewhere.
@Yogarine
@Yogarine 2 жыл бұрын
Realistically diffuse shadows shouldn't necessarily be darker, unless you're talking about ray-traced ambient and/or bounce lighting. Either way, you're making assumptions about the non-ray-traced shadows being darker than realistic shadows would be... Personally I think the RT shadows look a lot more natural (you never see perfectly sharp shadows of leaves when standing under a tree in real life) and they solve issues like Peter-Panning, as was explained in that other GTA V video on this channel.
@kanpeki2485
@kanpeki2485 2 жыл бұрын
@@Yogarine in motion literally .0001% of people will actually notice the difference. It’s a pointless use of hardware resources better spent on better performance or even resolution.
@hotdognl70
@hotdognl70 2 жыл бұрын
@@Yogarine I think you did not get what I was trying to point out, my point was just that the RT shadows should be LESS dark instead of JUST AS dark but with diffuse edges. What you mention about bounce lighting is indeed the missing link, without that RT shadows are too dark and are better not done at all. Less is more in this case.
@stewardappiagyei6982
@stewardappiagyei6982 2 жыл бұрын
While Series S doesn't get ray tracing here, there *ARE* a number of titles that do have the feature implemented like Hellblade, Metro Exodus (at 60fps no less), Watchdogs Legion and Matrix Awakens. Clearly the console can handle the feature in detailed game worlds. And this is ignoring the possibility for further optimizations and performance boosting tech like FSR 2.0 down the line. There is no cause for concern with Series S' performance imo. (Edit: erroneously included Gears 5 in the supported RT games).
@gonzaloxd2
@gonzaloxd2 2 жыл бұрын
Gears 5 doesn't have RT
@mattjudy6780
@mattjudy6780 2 жыл бұрын
Gears 5?
@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe
@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe 2 жыл бұрын
I swear gears 5 doesn't use it. It's reserved for series X and its Software based solution. But the rest of the games show that the series S can easily do it.
@raresmacovei8382
@raresmacovei8382 2 жыл бұрын
@@JudeTheKZbinPoopersubscribe Series X doesn't have it either. It's just a newer version of Unreal 4 with a better built-in global illumination solution. It's not RT.
@DrJones20
@DrJones20 2 жыл бұрын
Metro runs at 540p in that mode though. Ray tracing is demanding
@DaimyoSexy
@DaimyoSexy 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like R* isn't investing in next-gen for GTA V as say Metro Exodus did with Enhanced version for Series S with Ray Tracing ON. It also likely can be the Rage engine showing its age.
@dr.svencarlin146
@dr.svencarlin146 2 жыл бұрын
👆👆 congrats you have been selected among the shortlisted winner's 🎊🎊🎊.......
@dylantortosa7678
@dylantortosa7678 2 жыл бұрын
Very strange that there's no RT feature on Series S especially when Ubisoft can do it on that platform
@abdullakurdi6374
@abdullakurdi6374 2 жыл бұрын
It's sad that most 3rd party devs can't deliver a good port on series s Forza horizon 5 showed what the series s can deliver 1080 4xMSAA and 60 frames
@theanimerapper6351
@theanimerapper6351 2 жыл бұрын
@@abdullakurdi6374 4x msaa is outdated
@Wickedroonz
@Wickedroonz 2 жыл бұрын
i guess ubisoft deserve some credit because not only did it have raytraced reflections they did it at a rock solid framerate
@abdullakurdi6374
@abdullakurdi6374 2 жыл бұрын
@@theanimerapper6351 it's miles better than TAA that most devs use
@DirtyRonson
@DirtyRonson 2 жыл бұрын
The series s is capable of it on a game this old but they need to make sure there is a difference between the X and PS5 versions being the all powerful next gen consoles. Free upgrade at best
@TheFirstRealChewy
@TheFirstRealChewy 2 жыл бұрын
Series S already being left behind? We haven't even gotten to current gen exclusive games. We've been playing cross gen games and old games getting enhancements all this time. We'll find out more when we get to 2023-2024. Right now no one is rebuilding their games for the current consoles.
@tyler328
@tyler328 2 жыл бұрын
If you want ray tracing then don't buy a budget console, simple, it doesn't mean it's gonna get left behind
@Schizm1
@Schizm1 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Id love more Series S focused videos.
@R.B.90
@R.B.90 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly the differences are not that noticeable. They look very similar to me. And I'm on series x so I have no need to defend series S. Just saying it seems to be a solid upgrade
@talharehman3664
@talharehman3664 2 жыл бұрын
They are pretty noticeable on a big 4k tv and the frame rate drops mean that it is bad even on a 1080p screen
@Canma890
@Canma890 2 жыл бұрын
@@talharehman3664 why would you buy a Series S if you got a 4k tv?
@talharehman3664
@talharehman3664 2 жыл бұрын
@@Canma890 People are buying the series s as a game pass machine. I have a ps5 and a series s for gamepass
@hemme100
@hemme100 2 жыл бұрын
@@Canma890 For game pass or if they don't want to wait for a series X
@theonetruefusky7681
@theonetruefusky7681 2 жыл бұрын
@@talharehman3664 the drops aren’t very bad with a VRR tv
@jessepinkman6253
@jessepinkman6253 2 жыл бұрын
They shouldve introduced a 1080p@30fps with ray tracing mode.
@babyboy1971
@babyboy1971 2 жыл бұрын
Got this at a discount and at 60FPS it’s really fun to play on my series S. Thanks for continued coverage of the series S. Keep it up. Lots of series S users watching.
@usrhvyvnfpw53831
@usrhvyvnfpw53831 7 ай бұрын
At 1080p aka 2K, i guess.
@LNCRFT
@LNCRFT 2 жыл бұрын
Man, distance detail on Series S is really crushed in performance mode due to the TAA method they're using. Even XBO looked better in that regard (even though it has more jaggies...at least it was crisper overall)
@JaimeIsJaime
@JaimeIsJaime 2 жыл бұрын
Series S main problem is its VRAM bandwidth it is literally not even 1.5 times the one in the base PS4 (176GB/s PS4 vs 224GB/s SS) also the split pool and the only 10GB limitation doesn't help either.
@LNCRFT
@LNCRFT 2 жыл бұрын
@@JaimeIsJaime Well, guess they've crippled that console. A similar GPU like the One X has would've helped a lot alongside more and faster RAM
@DB_TOOFYE
@DB_TOOFYE Жыл бұрын
​@@JaimeIsJaimedidn't they address this with the new update in free up space for developing and performance functions allowing for 4k 120 option for series s? I got mine back from warranty 2023 and man it's too smooth no frames drops on GTA 5
@Y0URGRANDMA
@Y0URGRANDMA 2 жыл бұрын
So a game that was designed around 15 year old consoles, remastered updated version about 8 years ago is now running at a shaky 60fps at only 1080p from a brand new next gen console. lol.
@bigpileofpuke
@bigpileofpuke 2 жыл бұрын
Calling Series S “next gen” is a bit of a stretch. It’s Xbox One X 2.0
@dr.svencarlin146
@dr.svencarlin146 2 жыл бұрын
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@atlfoevaeva09
@atlfoevaeva09 2 жыл бұрын
Idk. $300 to play next gen games (that actually utilize the hardware and not a ports of ports) seems like a deal to me. The importance of ray tracing on consoles are overblown, imo. It’s a feature, not a promise.
@TheAmazingSpiderGuy_99
@TheAmazingSpiderGuy_99 2 жыл бұрын
1080p for 60fps with drops? They aren’t even trying to take advantage of this console. It’s very underpowered compared to PS5 and Series X but I don’t feel like the console is at any fault for the fps drops, this is just lazy. This is an 8 year old game even if they’ve put a lot of settings higher it’s embarrassing when Series S can run some games at 120fps that are much more visually advanced than this at acceptable resolutions for the hardware’s value proposition. Rockstar are not the same developer they once were and GTA online’s success is the worst thing that ever happened to them. Just look at the jump the game originally received going to PS4/PC/XB1, that was done in a year and half. Also hilarious is the CEO of Rockstar stating they don’t do simple ports…. This doesn’t look like anything other than that. Also yes the upgrade should’ve absolutely been free, the “expanded and enhanced” title was also a lie.
@williamcrms
@williamcrms 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly. This is barely an improvement over the XB1 version of the game despite the Series S's 4x leap in GPU power and other advancements.
@petrolheadentertainment2620
@petrolheadentertainment2620 2 жыл бұрын
Series S could do a lot better, Forza Horizon 5 on the console runs extremely smooth on both modes, so clearly it's not the issue of the hardware.
@The_Kristiane
@The_Kristiane 2 жыл бұрын
I dont care about 4k raytracing, those are just fancy features that are nice, but as long as the game goes 1080p and stable 60fps and loading faster... there is the right spot. That is why anyone should buy a Series S. If you want more than that, you are looking at the wrong place. GTAV port... no stable 60fps? Thats a big NO from me.
@fazer3691
@fazer3691 2 жыл бұрын
when you see that a GTX 1650 runs GTA 5 in 4k 30 FPS ultra and 1080p 120fps , and the Xbox series s running in 1440p 30 FPS makes me laugh, where is the optimization
@plisskensnake7728
@plisskensnake7728 2 жыл бұрын
Just wanted to add Gaurdians of the Galaxy looks great on Series S.
@Biohazard_dan
@Biohazard_dan 2 жыл бұрын
20 fps true next gen experience
@glasslakes
@glasslakes 2 жыл бұрын
Look at the shadows here 2:46 If I hadn't looked at the top to see which one is for Series S and which one is for Series X I've honestly thought that the right one is for Series S and the left for Series X. Left has way more details and has a high frame rate while the right one is rendered at something like 3 fps and is blurry. I don't think Series S owners are losing much here tbh.
@zainshaikh3856
@zainshaikh3856 2 жыл бұрын
The right shadow is more realistic not blurry that's how shadows are really formed in real world it's the correct implementation of ray traced shadows.
@glasslakes
@glasslakes 2 жыл бұрын
@@zainshaikh3856 it's true that it's more realistic but does it really look better though? Because that's what matters to me. Also if you look closer when the guy passes close to the screen you can see that the shadows are rendered at very very low framerates.
@zainshaikh3856
@zainshaikh3856 2 жыл бұрын
@@glasslakes yes it's true that ordinary shadows look good than rt ones
@dr.svencarlin146
@dr.svencarlin146 2 жыл бұрын
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@braedonlock3359
@braedonlock3359 2 жыл бұрын
It would be cool to see the new Dying light 60 FPS mode and the balanced mode for seriesx/PS5. Upvote so they can see!
@leonfrancis3418
@leonfrancis3418 2 жыл бұрын
They won't be covering it. VRR allowing Techland to unlock the frames on Dying Light and give Series X owners a 50% increase in frame rate or a 2x increase in resolution is huge, and I wondered why an outlet like DF hadn't covered this yet. And it's pretty obvious why.
@braedonlock3359
@braedonlock3359 2 жыл бұрын
@@leonfrancis3418 im just curious I don’t actually understand what you mean?? Are you saying because it’s xbox they won’t do that?? Because they made a new Playstation mode too. Idk I think it would be a great video for xbox and ps5 to see how they run. But im really curious on the Series S 60 FPS update how that runs and the sacrifices they had to make to hit 60 FPS.
@kin-3877
@kin-3877 2 жыл бұрын
@@leonfrancis3418 you really saying they ignore xbox in a video that's entirely about an Xbox update? Really?
@PurushaDesa
@PurushaDesa 2 жыл бұрын
4:43 What the hell were you doing on that bicycle mate? You’re almost dead.
@spicynachos2762
@spicynachos2762 2 жыл бұрын
GTAV online is way more demanding especially in the casino with a full lobby
@Alex-nk8bw
@Alex-nk8bw 2 жыл бұрын
This might be an unpopular opinion, but IMHO, the Series S "classic" shadows look way better than the kind of low quality RT shadows on Series X/PS5. 🤷‍♂️
@frankiesab777
@frankiesab777 2 жыл бұрын
No, I agree. RT shadows on any game is useless.
@dr.svencarlin146
@dr.svencarlin146 2 жыл бұрын
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@Deadsea_1993
@Deadsea_1993 2 жыл бұрын
Went from One X to Series S. Couldn't find a X and still can't and so I hooked up the 4TB hard drive and the 1TB SSD expansion drive to it. My collection is digital and though this was supposed to be temporary, I'll stick with the S for the long haul. Not enough upgrades here for me to shell out $20. Even the 60fps "sometimes" seemed a bit disappointing. I agree with others that this should have been free. Funny how Cyberpunk 2077 upgrade was free and released not long ago. The regular One version goes from the menu to the game world in about 13 seconds on my S and so load times are already fast.
@kiaelinkx
@kiaelinkx 2 жыл бұрын
I actually prefer the normal shadows to raytraced. On top of that raytracing shadows here seem to update at a very low rate, looks choppy.
@gamingsparo
@gamingsparo 2 жыл бұрын
it was always sorta choppy, i think rt reflections or global illumination would have been better.
@brennanIX
@brennanIX 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, there's a hard line around the character where the RT shadows switch to a a really low quality version, like worse than performance mode. When driving you can see that line moving, and all the shadows just popping in and appearing on everything. Performance mode, the shadows seem pretty much the same at whatever distance. Plus, reflection quality is higher on performance mode than it is on performance RT. And do t forget performance had the best framerate.
@HaloXeon
@HaloXeon 2 жыл бұрын
Glad I'm not the only one who isn't wowed by RT shadows. It doesn't fit the stylised look of GTA V and end up just looking like you accidently left shadows on very low. They may be technically more accurate, but aesthetically I think they look terrible. Take 3:57 for instance, the sharp shadows on the left are much nicer the the rough, noisy looking shadows on the right.
@kiaelinkx
@kiaelinkx 2 жыл бұрын
@@HaloXeon couldn’t agree more. Newest technologies focus on stuff that’s so marginal and gimmicky you’d never even notice it in normal play.
@MichaelMitreski
@MichaelMitreski 2 жыл бұрын
wait until ya drive at night and see ya car lights shine through a cars windows in front of you reflecting on the side of the buildings!!! i was mind blown by those RT shadow effects!
@xBINARYGODx
@xBINARYGODx 2 жыл бұрын
I am sorry, but if you are going to get taken as seriously as you do and garner the respect you receive - making a claim of how the Series S is "being left behind so soon" and what that implies for it, is FAR beneath you. I expect way better and for you guys to only fall down in the expected ways. This is very much beyond that and better not be a sign of things to come, or rather, a sign of a mask slipping further.
@xBINARYGODx
@xBINARYGODx 2 жыл бұрын
To be clear - that thinking is very much fanboy thinking, mostly Sony fanboy nonsense, but also a little superiority-complex like. We already have evidence that is nonsense, outside of poor dev/pub decisions - just look at MS first party when there is not last gen version (or sometimes even when there is). I guess I really should expect way less of you, more than the slightly-less that I already do.
@Shaker1000
@Shaker1000 2 жыл бұрын
Why isn't there an option to remove motion blur 🤔
@atquinn1975
@atquinn1975 2 жыл бұрын
As someone who's never played GTA5 before, I was happy to pay $10 for it on PS5. Not sure I'll be able to get into it (San Andreas was the last one I played), but at that price it's a no-brainer.
@EternalShana
@EternalShana 2 жыл бұрын
Yep me too. That price no brainer. I already sold my PS4 copy years ago. No interest in GTA online. 10 dollars is nothing for me. Just buy it to experience single player again in better graphics
@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe
@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe 2 жыл бұрын
The single player is really fun. So I think 10 dollars for it is reasonable if you've never played it.
@jccnguyen
@jccnguyen Жыл бұрын
I hit the like button right after the video's introduction, very professional
@ronanfaria3239
@ronanfaria3239 2 жыл бұрын
Its just me that like the normal shadows more than RT Shadowns?
@dr.svencarlin146
@dr.svencarlin146 2 жыл бұрын
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@leahtofu
@leahtofu 2 жыл бұрын
Series S can definitely handle 1440p/60fps-4K/30fps, lazy developers don’t care though
@kaarthuisplus
@kaarthuisplus 2 жыл бұрын
You're going to be saying that the entire generation.
@Igolorbr
@Igolorbr 2 жыл бұрын
I bought a Series S this month, thanks God. Amazing console should I say.
@MysticalMastodon
@MysticalMastodon 2 жыл бұрын
As a Series S owner, this is the perfect description of the console: “Yeah, that’s a shame.”
@TechDeckSurprise
@TechDeckSurprise 2 жыл бұрын
Selling all my series S stuff to GameStop 😂 Microsoft making it hard to see the future with this 📦
@jhamer18
@jhamer18 2 жыл бұрын
Don't blame the console for rockstars lazy job at optimising... Or lack of.
@bigpileofpuke
@bigpileofpuke 2 жыл бұрын
The weak Series S gonna hold back the 3rd place Xbox even more.
@MysticalMastodon
@MysticalMastodon 2 жыл бұрын
@@TechDeckSurprise Right? I bought the Series S because I already owned a PS5 for next gen third parties and I just wanted an Xbox to play the upcoming Fable and figured 1440p would be good enough for my 4K TV. Came to find this thing doesn’t even hit 1080p 60fps all of the time AND now it can’t even keep ray traced SHADOWS in a 10-year-old game? That’s sad. Having said that, if you already have a game library on Xbox, maybe try for a Series X. My gf bought me one, and it’s at least worth the price lol unlike the S(hit)
@MysticalMastodon
@MysticalMastodon 2 жыл бұрын
@@jhamer18 I do, because it’s not just GTA. Metro in RT mode runs at like 600p at times. Watch Dogs runs at like 900p with RT @30fps. The Series S is a good CoD machine. Every one has seemed to run at like 1440p, but nah, bruh. I’m not going to blame developers for weak hardware I’ve seen underperform on many games, forcing me to buy a Series X lol
@Xboxracer1
@Xboxracer1 2 жыл бұрын
Measured and valid detailled criticism. Excellent as always.
@alessio4761
@alessio4761 2 жыл бұрын
Could you please consider making more Xbox series s videos? Or dedicate more minutes in series s coverage?
@dr.svencarlin146
@dr.svencarlin146 2 жыл бұрын
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@Aristowi
@Aristowi 2 жыл бұрын
It's obvious that Series S gets a considerable downgrade from Series X and PS5, but I'd still say it's a hell of a machine. The higher tier consoles are the best option if you can afford them but for those that can't or don't want to, or won't upgrade to a 4K screen then Series S is a hell of a deal, where I live the console is less than half the price of Series X and PS5 when it's on sale, I don't know if you can beat that offer today, the amount of performance you get at that price is astonishing.
@dr.svencarlin146
@dr.svencarlin146 2 жыл бұрын
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@baconatorrodriguez4651
@baconatorrodriguez4651 2 жыл бұрын
We're surprised Rockstar appears to have done the bare minimum when porting this over, huh? After GTA Trilogy Definitive?
@sicparvismagna6526
@sicparvismagna6526 2 жыл бұрын
I've always though from the specs announce that the series S wasn't powerfull enough for most of the next gen features. It costs 40% less than the series X but it has just 30-35% of the teraflops power... (and also half of the memory.......)
@xBINARYGODx
@xBINARYGODx 2 жыл бұрын
This push to make all shadows soft, and to even soften the edges of shadows that are accurately sharp, is not an improvement. It's different but doesn't look better and is not more accurate. At best, its solid improvement if the effect is a very broken up, aliased shadow that is being improved on, but it never stops there, and the thing used instead is still inaccurate (a lesser alias at best). I can go outside right now and see varying sharpness to the shadows that the real-life sun creates using trees and buildings. For example - 2:58 - neither scene is totally correct, but the shadows on the right are WAY more believable vs reality. The Series X footage on the right is WAY overcorrected.
@user-tu8eu6ei5s
@user-tu8eu6ei5s 2 жыл бұрын
This. The RT implementation here is not really realistic. RT shadows look way too soft, shadows on a sunny day don't look like that at all. I'd argue that non RT shadows look way closer to reality.
@faves2064
@faves2064 2 жыл бұрын
Good vid Tom, I wouldn't say that the Series S is being left behind as much as the cross gen ports like this aren't getting the attention from the devs they need to show off what the SS can do. Dying Lights 2s lack of 60fps mode is a prime example of that.
@petrolheadentertainment2620
@petrolheadentertainment2620 2 жыл бұрын
Don't forget The Matrix demo.
@MrAmjak
@MrAmjak 2 жыл бұрын
The series s got a 60fps Mode after a patch for dying light 2. But the resolution can drop to 800p or something like that
@faves2064
@faves2064 2 жыл бұрын
@@petrolheadentertainment2620 I tried that on both my Series X and S and it looked and ran fine on both with the X hooked up to a 4k TV and S to a 1080p TV. Apparently the Coalition helped tweak that demo to get more out if the S which bodes well fir UE5 games as that knowledge will be shared with the engine going forwards.
@johnbishop2536
@johnbishop2536 2 жыл бұрын
@@MrAmjak I don't mind the big resolution drop but the screen tear is defiantly an eye opener.
@MrAmjak
@MrAmjak 2 жыл бұрын
@O N aha okay, I love all consoles, my ps5 my series x and also my switch
@quintessences
@quintessences 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly it’s really baffling to 10-year-old game from three generations ago still cannot run at 60 FPS with what seems like minimal upgrades.
@dr.svencarlin146
@dr.svencarlin146 2 жыл бұрын
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@fuckjoebiden
@fuckjoebiden 2 жыл бұрын
how the hell did they forget to put ambient occlusion under the cars? it looks like crap
@jasonisourhero
@jasonisourhero 2 жыл бұрын
"In certain respects, the series S release is a disappointment"..... Well not for me. I have recently moved from the shabby looking Ps4 version to the Series S version, and the series S version is fantastic. I was blown away just how beautiful it looks in fidelity mode at 30fps, and I am currently playing it online in this mode and I am 100% happy with it.
@hassankazmi3738
@hassankazmi3738 Жыл бұрын
Bro I have series s but can’t find graphics mode on gta 5
@arpit60
@arpit60 Жыл бұрын
@@hassankazmi3738 you need to by series s/x version, this is not a free update
@hassankazmi3738
@hassankazmi3738 Жыл бұрын
@@arpit60 Got it
@pixels_per_inch
@pixels_per_inch 2 жыл бұрын
2:53 Wait I just noticed, the ray traced shadows are running at 1/4 of the game's fps (7.5 fps). Is this normal?
@DocRobotnik
@DocRobotnik 2 жыл бұрын
Tom's take is a little off here I think. Missing RT on last gen ports is hardly a surprise. We've already seen that UE5 can bring RT to Series S in a big way, so until we get genuine next gen native games, I don't think anyone can call what is/isn't possible on the S
@kylelochner5686
@kylelochner5686 2 жыл бұрын
Rt can easily be enabled through console variables. They probably felt the performance cost wasn't worthwhile.Also lumen is hybrid dude , it's not fully ray traced
@theanimerapper6351
@theanimerapper6351 2 жыл бұрын
Why would a next generation game run better than a last generation game if resolution is equal? Gta6 won't have ray tracing on series S but will on ps5 and X book it
@DocRobotnik
@DocRobotnik 2 жыл бұрын
@@theanimerapper6351go and play the Matrix Awakens demo, then come back and have a grown up conversation.
@theanimerapper6351
@theanimerapper6351 2 жыл бұрын
@@DocRobotnik 30fps.....
@theanimerapper6351
@theanimerapper6351 2 жыл бұрын
@@DocRobotnik sorry less than 30fps it drops to 25fps on the X..... That's 360/PS3 level of performance lol
@LordMauel
@LordMauel 2 жыл бұрын
I still dont understand how there isn’t more outrage from Series S owners who just dont get the features Microsoft promised them
@ka7al958
@ka7al958 2 жыл бұрын
Because you have no idea of what you're saying.
@LordMauel
@LordMauel 2 жыл бұрын
@@ka7al958 oh please, FANBOY incoming!!!
@pennywisethedancingclown7139
@pennywisethedancingclown7139 2 жыл бұрын
@@ka7al958 Phil said it was a Ray Tracing Enabled 1440p 60fps console LMAO... Well... you can pick ONE at a time 🤣
@gugaa2837
@gugaa2837 2 жыл бұрын
There was a bit of an outrage on reddit and twitter when Dying Light 2 and Cyberpunk 2077 released without performance modes, but the thing is that the majority of Series S owners are super casuals, so they just don't care. But honestly, considering that Watch Dogs Legion does ray traced reflections on Series S, it's pretty clear this was a cash grab port, regardless of the platform you play on.
@ka7al958
@ka7al958 2 жыл бұрын
@@pennywisethedancingclown7139 What? He never said that, Even the series X drops to 1080p 30fps in a lot of RT games.
@cristofermir12
@cristofermir12 5 ай бұрын
If there is ray tracing in reflections on Xbox series s and there are many places that have them, even if it seems like they don't have them, fans of going deeper into the game can see the real ray tracing.
@temubarrackslawyer
@temubarrackslawyer 2 жыл бұрын
This game runs at a near constant 60 on my 2015 MacBook Pro. I’d expect this to run better on a far more advanced console
@mitchelljenkins4815
@mitchelljenkins4815 2 жыл бұрын
In a world where PS5 was actually avalible, the $300 Series S vs a $400 PS5 DE is a no brainer. The $100 you 'save' with the S comes with a really hefty caveat. And personally I don't think its worth it as a budget system. Just get a PS5 or Series X so we can encourage RT use in more games.
@williamcrms
@williamcrms 2 жыл бұрын
True, plus if you want more than ~300 GB of SSD space you have to shell out over $100 for the expansion card. Ends up making a digital PS5 cheaper and a Series X just barely more expensive.
@davidwooten7212
@davidwooten7212 2 жыл бұрын
While I don't' disagree with what you said exactly, the RT performance of the PS5 and XSX are really quite low, and even if there was no Series S, that won't change. Case in point, just look at Gran Turismo 7, it is not capable of RT during a race in real-time...just not enough horsepower under the hood.
@mitchelljenkins4815
@mitchelljenkins4815 2 жыл бұрын
@@davidwooten7212 By the same token look at Rachet and Clank and even the Matrix Demo
@davidwooten7212
@davidwooten7212 2 жыл бұрын
@@mitchelljenkins4815 I don't disagree that the PS5 or Series X can do Ray Tracing, just that they are both very limited in their ability to do it. We will certainly have 1st party titles that show us some RT, but for me it is not a feature I would hang my hat on, as the RT power for both are just not ready for primetime. As games get more demanding in the future of this generation, I except RT do be less of a thing, as regular rasterization techniques make take even more GPU power say in 2024/2025. I would love to be proven wrong, but I would much prefer 60fps and a good HDR implementation over that and a 30fps presentation. Hopefully we will continue to have choices through this generation.
@mitchelljenkins4815
@mitchelljenkins4815 2 жыл бұрын
@@davidwooten7212 I understand where you are coming from but I fundamentally disagree. I think that just having the features is a boon to all. It helps out those PC owners that can do RT at higher settings. Plus the consoles will eventually outperform the same PC graphics cards that are top of the line today. But this is why the Series S is a hinderence. We want the lowest end target to be systems that support RT in some capacity right? Plus the PS5 and Series X are by themselves on the medium high end as they are right now. Imagine if the PS5 was the lowest end target? That would be amazing to PC gamers with capable systems.
@kuplayfordvalls6781
@kuplayfordvalls6781 2 жыл бұрын
I actually don't think the Series S will be left behind... Once this silly cross-gen crap fades away and we start seeing Game Devs and Game Engines target next-gen EXCLUSIVELY I'm pretty sure we'll see a lot more juice come out of the S compared to now! Just like ealry PS4 games look NOTHING alike late PS4 games like GoW :)
@Mike-sf7ex
@Mike-sf7ex 2 жыл бұрын
$10 just to turn up the graphical settings that's been available on PC for almost a decade.. what a fcking joke.
@RyanCoomer
@RyanCoomer 2 жыл бұрын
at a buffet, i personally sneak corndogs into the buffet so others can enjoy them. I hide 6 corndogs in my jacket pockets. it then, is a joy for me to see other patrons of the establishment eat my corndogs thinking they were part of the buffffffff
@kingofgames2992
@kingofgames2992 2 жыл бұрын
Not going to lie, the fact a nearly decade old game can't run at 60FPS consistantly is embrassing, take two needs to patch this, dips were even an issue on PS5 and series X so don't try and tell me its just the series S tech being weaker
@dr.svencarlin146
@dr.svencarlin146 2 жыл бұрын
👆👆 congrats you have been selected among the shortlisted winner's 🎊🎊🎊.......
@Adrian956txs
@Adrian956txs 2 жыл бұрын
This game looks great on my series s with Dolby vision on my tv I’m not expecting Ps5 level so for me it looks great for my living room and I have the Ps5 version. 👍🏻
@Deadsea_1993
@Deadsea_1993 2 жыл бұрын
That is unfortunate cause I was expecting something better than what I already have. The SSD already reads the One version extremely fast and the graphics don't really look any better. Seems that R* really have changed for the worse overtime. I'm not that hyped for GTA 6 either with so many key characters missing from the company now. People like Dan left a few years after Red Dead Redemption 2 was released.
@Dontae_777
@Dontae_777 Жыл бұрын
Bro the funny thing is series s can do ray tracing
@marpl6063
@marpl6063 2 жыл бұрын
Its about dev's effort and not about series s spec limitation, especially when we talk about game from 2013 ;) forza horizon 5 and flight simulator 2020 shows that series s cpu and gpu is strong enough to provide decent performance. Series s outselling series x so dev's have no choice but have to work more on series s optimalisation otherwise they will lose profits.
@ksks6802
@ksks6802 2 жыл бұрын
Actually, no. Xbox one x (last gen) ran games way better than series s IF the game in question were using older SDK/APIs. The only thing saving series s is the new api archetype used for modern games which prioritizes efficiency over raw compute, in other words....gtav sucks...newer games, better. What your expecting is a complete rewrite of the code. There have been pc gtav mods that add in "raytracing" for a while and it was only a hand full of people that did it and only because their hardware had the overhead to run it.
@marpl6063
@marpl6063 2 жыл бұрын
@@ksks6802 Way better? i dont think so, you just exaggerate. There is very small differences between series and one x when it comes to crossgen games. Flight simulator and matrix demo is example that one x is just outdated console with old hdd and archaic cpu just and cant handle nextgen demanding games. Another thing is that dev's have no motivation to update last gen games for series s - there is no profit for them. BTW we talk about 250 euro console, its very good value for this price.
@ksks6802
@ksks6802 2 жыл бұрын
@@marpl6063 ya man....I just said newer games run better on the series s vs xbox one x. If the game is on last gen sdk/api.....the xbox one x smashes a series s. Digital foundry even did a few videos on it....maybe you should better inform yourself. But sdk/api aside, on paper ya, a xbox one x is has way more power
@marpl6063
@marpl6063 2 жыл бұрын
@@ksks6802 Well , yep last gen games most of the time works better on one x. I just talk about next gen and crossgen games.
@DC3Refom
@DC3Refom 2 жыл бұрын
@@ksks6802 this should run better on the series s though we're talking about lower power jaguar cpu cores vs zen 2 cores for an open world game with lots of ai in cpu
@Johnathan1988
@Johnathan1988 2 жыл бұрын
I get that the RT features of the hardware are a selling point for the typical hardcore & technically inclined customer but for most everyone else, the average (casual) audience won't ever notice these differences as most are unlikely to watch vids like this & compare differences. Not saying it doesn't happen but I don't think it's common. I also do get that Series S is easier to aquire over Series X & PS5 so i get that there's those in hardcore gaming that are disappointed by these differences but I would think most bought it knowing it was a lower powered next gen machine & they that will eventually upgrade to the Series X. All that to say I believe the Series S will still remain revelant as long as there's an understanding that it just won't perform to the same level as it's big bretheren counterparts.
@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe
@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe 2 жыл бұрын
I'm anxiously waiting to see how the series S performs in big budget AAA games running on unreal engine 5. The matrix demo was quite low res and I don't wanna play games in what looked like 720p lol.
@Omar-kl3xp
@Omar-kl3xp 2 жыл бұрын
@@JudeTheKZbinPoopersubscribe the series s is not a console that is going to last long ,the matrix demo was absolutely a good example that the series s will not be a good console to be play on in the future .
@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe
@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe 2 жыл бұрын
@@Omar-kl3xp yeah I own a series S and I'm not too positive about its future. I mean it is an excellent machine and I've been happy with the image quality and framerates on the vast majority of games I've played on it since it came out. With the series X stock now getting much better it's only a matter of time before I decide to bite the bullet and upgrade my console. My brother still has a 2013 base xbox one so I can gift him with a series S and get a better console for myself.
@frankfrickinbowers9171
@frankfrickinbowers9171 2 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure not even being able to do 1080p 60 can't be excused in any shape or form that too this early in the gen Microsoft just scammed impatient buyers it's not hard to see
@50H3i1
@50H3i1 2 жыл бұрын
Series S could've also had a 30fps 1080p mode with RT . And variable resolution could've made those fps dips smoother
@dr.svencarlin146
@dr.svencarlin146 2 жыл бұрын
👆👆 congrats you have been selected among the shortlisted winner's 🎊🎊🎊.........
@AIIEYESONME
@AIIEYESONME 2 жыл бұрын
Forget that. that would've taken a second lunch break to implement.
@Deadsea_1993
@Deadsea_1993 2 жыл бұрын
This also wasn't done in Cyberpunk either. Things will get better when Ps4/One Support is done. Devs have to make games for those consoles, Series X/Ps5, and Series S. That's a lot to remember. We will see higher quality of life work on S when only current gen is around
@50H3i1
@50H3i1 2 жыл бұрын
@@Deadsea_1993 yeah particularly on Cyberpunk and dying light 2 60fps could've been achieved via lowering the resolution when needed with dynamic resolution (1080p base down to 720p/640p) with needed . At least the option should have been given to poeple . Yeah it looks more blurry but 60fps is there for a first person game . Also FSR 2 is gonna help with it's fully utilized in future games
@p1ngu1no
@p1ngu1no 2 жыл бұрын
Rockstar are greedy. Red dead redemption online could have been a marvel…..but they just made it unplayable because the economy in the game….now this….I am not paying again.
@Lolkork
@Lolkork 2 жыл бұрын
RT shadows really isn't a big loss imo. It's far from transformational. The fact that this costs money boggles the mind tho
@diegosilang4823
@diegosilang4823 2 жыл бұрын
Watchdog Legion and Cyberpunk 2077 have GTA like open world with true "next gen" ray tracing. GTA5 for "next gen" still have the previous gen lighting, shadows and reflections. Adding the proper ray tracing features is at least might enticed some people to buy it for better immersion. No cross play between previous gen and next gen is a mistake. We all know PlayStation doesn't allow cross play with competing platform, but Sony allows cross play with PS4. It means PlayStation 5 players have less players than PS4 players and possibly worse on Xbox Series X players since Xbox Series X/S sold far less than PS5.
@MultiYippee
@MultiYippee 2 жыл бұрын
Cyberpunk 2077 has raytraced local shadows and rasterised sun shadows. GTA 5 has rasterised local shadows and raytraced sun shadows. That's the only RT featured in both games on consoles.
@ahrlj24
@ahrlj24 2 жыл бұрын
PS5 GTA Online is free so it’s more alive than any version.
@bigpileofpuke
@bigpileofpuke 2 жыл бұрын
GTA online is trash. This game is all about the single player.
@EnchantedSmellyWolf
@EnchantedSmellyWolf Жыл бұрын
Knowing it is a open wotld with lots of assets that means both S and X will suffer one of the feature. At least least graphic is good and Frame rate.
@musicmaniacsgamingandmovies
@musicmaniacsgamingandmovies 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video, but i am surprised that neighter in this video, or the one about Series X/PS5 you don't take in account all the problems with the Xbox series problems that are not in the Playstation 5 version: 1 No music on radio stations (on and offline) when you are in a party chat on the console. 2 Often disconnections when playing offline. Yesterday (monday) i got kicked out of online (invite only and also open rooms) 3 times in one hour, while this almost never happened on the old version running in backwards compatible mode on Series X. 3 Not saving online progress even while dropping back to the story. After for instance doing the recon on Cayo Perico, after scoping all the loot on the island and target subject, i leave the game by swapping back to story mode, when you (sometimes) get to see the yellow circle showing the game is saving the online part. But still, more often then not, next time i boot up the game, i have to do the recon job again, as it has not been saved. If i would do not do the recon job, the Cayo Perico job will be put in easy mode, as it has forgotten you have activated it right after the countdown comming back from the previous hit. In short, i am so dissapointed in RockStar. They duped me with the definitive edition (GTA 3, Vice Citty, and San Andreas) witch i would have preferred to stay the same as the original games, but with higher resolution textures and no changes to the models, and also the game crashes on me sometimes (mostly GTA 3), and now, even while they delayed the release of this game, it still is full of bugs (old ones from the Xbox One edition, and NEW ones as mentioned above) and this while Xbox gamers have to pay more, as on PS5, the online part is still free, and so far, i never had issues with the PlayStation 5 version. So why not mentioning the problems, and why is (so far) no one take RockStar acountable for this witch is in my eyes not acceptable? I have put a problem notification on the service part on the RockStar page, i commented on their Facebook page, but NO response other than that "this game works fine for me" from one other visitor. So this is the future of the quality of RockStar games? Count me out on GTA6....... I was such a big fan, getting GTA V for Xbox 360 (most expensive version with all the extra's), Xbox One, Playstation 4, PC, and now Xbox Series X and Playstation 5, so they can't say i'm not a fan, but this mess, and being ignored by them, i can't accept.
@concinnus
@concinnus 2 жыл бұрын
Off-piste has to be the most highfalutin way anyone's ever described a Trevor rampage.
@dr.svencarlin146
@dr.svencarlin146 2 жыл бұрын
👆👆 congrats you have been selected among the shortlisted winner's 🎊🎊🎊.........
@amirrezarezaie
@amirrezarezaie 2 жыл бұрын
For the price, Series S is reaaaaaaally good
@Donald_Allan
@Donald_Allan 2 жыл бұрын
I was hoping that the next-gen upgrade for GTA V would be free. But it was not to be. I'll just stick with the Xbox One version.
@stej0014
@stej0014 2 жыл бұрын
That shits unplayable.
@theanimerapper6351
@theanimerapper6351 2 жыл бұрын
@@stej0014 facts lol. This guy probably doesn't even have a series x and is just coping cause he's stuck on last gen
@Donald_Allan
@Donald_Allan 2 жыл бұрын
@@stej0014 I thought it was perfectly playable when I bought the game and played through it last year.
@Donald_Allan
@Donald_Allan 2 жыл бұрын
@@theanimerapper6351 I have a Series X, Nintendo Switch and a PS5.
@stej0014
@stej0014 2 жыл бұрын
@@Donald_Allan if you're happy to play a game at 30fps/1080p with terrible draw distance then hats off to you 😂
@grandnoodlelite
@grandnoodlelite 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly Series S isn't doing half bad. Were DF, or anyone for that matter, really expecting any worthwhile Ray Tracing support out of a $300 console?
@dr.svencarlin146
@dr.svencarlin146 2 жыл бұрын
👆👆 congrats you have been selected among the shortlisted winner's 🎊🎊🎊.........
@modernyin6275
@modernyin6275 2 жыл бұрын
The loading for story is actually slower when I played xbox one gta 5 on my series x it would load story in like 5 seconds
@user-sp8fi2zv2v
@user-sp8fi2zv2v 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly!
@pixelbitg9386
@pixelbitg9386 2 жыл бұрын
For 299, which is the price of a switch you'd have to be crazed to be mad at this console. Though this upgrade should be free. Series S isn't being left behind as much as its features aren't even being used. It makes no sense for these frame dips considering the CPU is as fast as a PS5 No VRS 2.0 No SFS to buy back memory and no Mesh Shaders Until that happens not sure id make that claim
@theanimerapper6351
@theanimerapper6351 2 жыл бұрын
I keep seeing you guys list all these features that the Xbox has. My question is, if these are such a game changer how come no dev has used the full suit of features for Xbox? Heck most devs even first party devs use none of the features you listed while something like dlss is being pushed in multiple games.
@IHeart16Bit
@IHeart16Bit 2 жыл бұрын
I cannot express how god damn tired I am of seeing this game.
@dr.svencarlin146
@dr.svencarlin146 2 жыл бұрын
👆👆 congrats you have been selected among the shortlisted winner's 🎊🎊🎊........
@rabbitenjoyer6320
@rabbitenjoyer6320 2 жыл бұрын
How is a nearly decade-old game not locked to 60? Sad to see Rockstar phone this in especially when it's a paid update.
@kaikiske7436
@kaikiske7436 2 жыл бұрын
Do Stranger of Paradise and other recent releases. We don't need 5 videos on the 3rd release of GTA V
@dr.svencarlin146
@dr.svencarlin146 2 жыл бұрын
👆👆 congrats you have been selected among the shortlisted winner's 🎊🎊🎊........
@dhivydhimanth1960
@dhivydhimanth1960 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the Series S coverage! Absolutely love it. Really sad missing out on RT Shadows. Developers need a very compelling reason to optimise code for the Series S it seems as most of the games on it so far have just been a scaled down featureless version of the Series X game. The most sold console last Holiday was the Series S. Devs please optimise code of the Series S!
@maddrone7814
@maddrone7814 2 жыл бұрын
RT is a performance hog and tbh not that important
@jhamer18
@jhamer18 2 жыл бұрын
A game that was released since 2013.. This is unacceptable from rockstar and lazy. Most games on series s are running perfectly fine
@AIIEYESONME
@AIIEYESONME 2 жыл бұрын
@@jhamer18 Like Tom said, the lack of ambition for just a money grab from R* is disgusting.
@bullymaguire2569
@bullymaguire2569 2 жыл бұрын
the series S is a disappointment as a whole. it should of had 6-8tf not 4tf.
@colehuesca
@colehuesca 2 жыл бұрын
That thumbnail tho, i can't unsee it now...
@towsonfox6964
@towsonfox6964 2 жыл бұрын
Just realize the gpu has terrible rt cores, so I don’t expect it to use anything but shadows.
@dr.svencarlin146
@dr.svencarlin146 2 жыл бұрын
👆👆 congrats you have been selected among the shortlisted winner's 🎊🎊🎊..........
@kovalveli
@kovalveli 2 жыл бұрын
they charge money for this ?! ... get outta here
@tank70g
@tank70g 2 жыл бұрын
I still cant believe they didnt add crossplat for multiplayer 🤦🏽‍♂️. Its a necessity nowadays.
@fluffyakira2854
@fluffyakira2854 2 жыл бұрын
For this game, I don’t mind. Both PC and Ps4/5 have alot of mod menus and hackers and It would be annoying to deal with on Xbox.
@tank70g
@tank70g 2 жыл бұрын
I can understand pc but ps4/5? Im on ps5. Theres no hackers and if there are, its offline. Sony has a low tolerance on hackers and are extremely swift at dealing with them
@Arroyoruiz
@Arroyoruiz 10 ай бұрын
I barely game maybe some weekends for about 2-3 hours. I got the Xbox Series S at a discount. And I purchased GTA 5 at a discount also. And I am very satisfied with it. Cant expect top notch PS5 or Xbox X graphics features. To me it looks good enough and realistic for what I paid.
@matteolinux9467
@matteolinux9467 2 жыл бұрын
I bought the series X/S version for my series S, I know by the X/S icon on the digital version image, but there's no way to set a 60 fps mode, no setting to change under visual/display. I'm using a tv with max res 1080p and with other games I can play at 60fps. On the genera console settings I have 1080p enabled. I can't figure out what to do
@Pete-vz5uj
@Pete-vz5uj 2 жыл бұрын
Fart on the console. Repeat this until you get desired results
@mangaas
@mangaas 2 жыл бұрын
It must be embarrassing still covering this game.
@cheese_crab
@cheese_crab 2 жыл бұрын
S is 60% the cost of X so 60% perf seems reasonable. Curious if S will re-gain some of the features like ray tracing later in the generation if FSR 2.0 happens to turn out well
@SuperHns
@SuperHns 2 жыл бұрын
a game from 2013 not even on 60 FPS on quality mode is reasonable??? I see why gaming is so screwed how console plebs accept any shit like that.
@yoyo-nf1ww
@yoyo-nf1ww 2 жыл бұрын
In this logic, Series S is 80% the cost of PS5 Digital Edition at 400$ (same performance as Series X) but is not 80% performance of PS5.
@GamerNXR
@GamerNXR 2 жыл бұрын
@@SuperHns this is you.. "my piece of plastic is better then your piece of plactic" 🤣
@TheScrubmuffin69
@TheScrubmuffin69 2 жыл бұрын
@@SuperHns bruh it's a 300 dollar console. Of course our pcs are going to be better. But the console is still really good for the price, that's why I got one
@SuperHns
@SuperHns 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheScrubmuffin69 true that. Still though on a 300 USD PC I can build GTA5 will run better
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