Tyrion Lannister's Future Foreshadowed in A Game of Thrones | Tyrion III | Obsidian Nights Podcast

[@bellarichards7753]

Just came to comment on gray areas new profile pic, what a queen. Still not ready to get back into ASOIAF yet.

[@Katerine459]

I think when LC Mormont told Tyrion that Thorne had to be the trainer because he was a knight, he wasn't expressing a respect for the title, so much as saying, "we have to use Thorne this way, because he's literally the only person we have (besides myself) who's a trained fighter, who we don't have ranging. We're that short on people. Please, please help us."

[@renmelii]

I think this podcast is starting to be my absolute favourite thing on youtube

[@GrayArea]

Thank you so much!

[@gregl9305ass]

Love hearing that voice! Glad you are back maam!

[@lillithsummers8817]

From an old interview with GRRM “ Tyrion is the villain of course “ I think this was faintly pursued in the show with his increasingly bad decisions and advice and of course he was the one that talked Jon Snow into murdering Dani, then banishing him. I expect this will be more pronounced in the books as his hatred for his remaining family will color his advice to Dani, bending her to destroy KL. I love doing re-reads to remind me how much more complex and morally grey his character is then the show portrayed.

[@taotaostrong]

lillith summers I agree I think that Peter Dinklage’s deserved popularity got in the way of the show runners portraying the dark side of Tyrion.

[@christophertracy4377]

I don't think the books will end the way the show did.

[@Denise-ki9ii]

I wonder if Tyrion is the “mummers dragon.” If he is a hidden Targ he travelled with mummers like Penny so could be considered a mummer.

[@Fray2221]

I can sort of imagine what G.R.R Martin might have been planning for Tyrion before the show annihilated his character. When Tyrion arrived in Meereen he was in a drunk and hopeless state. Daegery was basically his last hope. I think the idea for Tyrion was that he was just so desperate and broken emotionally that he just became overwhelmed by Daegeny's perceived power and divinity and that it seriously fucked with his head, like someone joining a cult. That would have be a cool fucking Tyrion. Someone who is just as smart and witty and tactically brilliant as the old Tyrion, except much more emotional and unpredictable. Instead of all the cynicism and skepticism, just fanatical belief and murderous focus. And Tyrion should have been the one to go mad. He should have been the one constantly whispering in Daeney's ear to take things further, to be that much more merciless and brutal in order to survive. He should have been urging Daegery to take revenge on Cercei and on the people of King's Landing. This was Tyrion's obsession, not Daegery. That's why it all felt so unnatural when Daegney burned down the city. It wasn't her city, it meant nothing to her.

[@corbinskywalker]

Gray Lady returns

[@shannond7437]

Mad props to Tyrion for trying to get Jon away from the wall requesting his escort on the King’s road. This was likely him attempting to get him away so he doesn’t say his vows.

[@edwinbrown7179]

Alliser Thorne kind of reminds me of a way harsher and more gritty Snape. I always felt like his techniques are just not effective in teaching anybody. At first, I thought maybe he wanted to bring the recruits together in like a mutual hatred for him type of way lol. I now think he is just bitter and hateful and just thinks he is wasted upon the wall.

[@KJ-4-Chiefs]

Gray day! I am hyped. I love to hear Grays mind wander through the dark crevices of Martin's words. Much love

[@robertbarlowe2699]

The giant made of stone is likely a reference to Petyr Baelish. Although his personal sigil is the mockingbird, House Baelish uses the head of the Titan of Braavos- a stone giant. The vision is mostly about events in King's Landing prior to the War of the 5 Kings and at that time Baelish was definitely keeping an eye on Sansa and Arya. We often forget that Petyr is of Braavosi descent. Perhaps he "helped" Ned find Syrio, First Sword of Braavos. And of course, there is nothing but darkness inside Petyr, although he hides it behind a mask (or visor).

[@orlandorobles6050]

I just realized something as I watched this video: Gray and her guest mention that there are no knights in the north because they keep the Old Gods, but what about Jorah Mormont? He's of the North (Bear Island) and was knighted by King Robert. Did he convert to the faith of the Seven, which allowed him to become an anointed Knight?

[@ratgirl34]

I was thinking similarly, in my head I keep thinking: of course they have knights. But I can’t think of anyone other than Jorah who uses Ser, besides men on the wall.

[@vlpinfinity9448]

I thought the shadow made of stone was Littlefinger. His actions have altered the fates of everyone in the story and his family's original symbol is the titan of Bravos whose depicted in a stone statue.

[@TheEpickness]

Could you imagine Tyrion meeting the proud dwarves of Tolkien’s legendarium? He’d be so fucking confused

[@sneh9992]

@grayarea the discussion at the beginning about Alliser being the trainer, it's not a north thing, it's a world thing. this is a world in which your birth, status and titles are the most imp things and shadow what or who you're as person or even experience. it's why Royce kid got command of the ranging north of the wall in the prologue despite it being his first ranging and Will and Gared being veterans, it's why Alliser has a position that goes well with his status and title, it's partially why Jon's pissed when he assigned a position as steward and so on. Dany is different because all her title hollowed out and didn't really matter all her life and Stannis is just different (an exception in this world)

[@danjordan1]

Juice time!!!!!!!

[@BlazesRat]

Gray! SERVING it to-DAY!!!Yooooooooo! Now u got me thinking real f*ckin hard about the whole Tyrion/shadow/Giant stuff!!! Im of the thinking that book Tyrion is WAAAAY more dark! So...... could Tyrion be the giant that Sansa slays in a castle of snow, not Littlefinger? Now ive gotta go back and reread all the GoHH's dreams/prophecies!!! I LOVE watching ur videos Ms Thang! They always make my day, especially when ya get my juices flowin, pondering new asoiaf shit!!!! 😊😊💯

[@LucidoMafia]

Awesome as always. Much respect from East watch by the sea aka Japan

[@TheeSecondSon]

GRAY SAVES THE DAY FROM BOREDOM YET A FUCKIN’ GIN! 🐺 ⚔️

[@AlisiaBolivar]

Thank you ladies! One of my favorite podcast episodes yet. I just can’t get enough of that dwarf; nor can I get enough of you, Gray!

[@GrayArea]

❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@christopherbrown1391]

Gray I love these videos Wednesday is on point thank you I’m strongly consider buying the books

[@kathrynbassett9402]

Tyrion as the giant made of stone...mind blown. Great video as always. Thanks.

[@hamptonnager4104]

A stone giant? Surely that's the Faceless Men? A mixture of both a representation of The Stranger mixed with the Titan of Bravos?

[@christophertracy4377]

Imagine if Thorne knew that Jon Snow was Rhaegar Targaryen's bastard son?! He would be throwing even more shade! I didn't know the Tarly's fought on the Targaryen's side!! No wonder Ser Allister calls Sam Ser Piggy!

[@oliviawilliams6204]

Well yeah the whole Reach fought under the Tyrell for the Targ during Robert rebellion

[@samararodrigues4855]

It would be interesting to see one obsidian nights with The order of the green hand...

[@AdaptiveApeHybrid]

I always thought passing beneath the shadow was a reference to Asshai by the Shadow. Asshai is in the far east, it's in the Shadowlands (a mountain range) and Quaithe is from there. To go west, you must go east.

[@oliviawilliams6204]

Martin said they will likely never go there

[@K2Rad]

Giant made of stone. Tyrion of the Rock. Love it.

[@Iclyde1231]

Another masterpiece ❤️. Thank you both!!

[@ashleyofnaath]

I like the theory of "passing beneath the shadow" to mean Dany having to accept Tyrion's council. I hadn't considered that. I thought the passage could mean one of two things. One- it alludes to her having to return to Vaes Dothrak to fulfill the 'stallion who mounts the world' prophecy. In AGOT, as she's traveling to the Western market in Vaes Dothrak, she makes the following observation: "When the wind blew, she could smell the rich scents of grass and earth. As her liter passed beneath the stolen monuments, she went from SUNLIGHT TO SHADOW AND BACK AGAIN". That literally describes her passing beneath a shadow and touching light afterward. Second, and more tinfoil- Daenerys having to go to Dorne upon returning to Westeros. Everyone, like Dany, thinks Quaithe meant Asshai when telling Dany to pass beneath the shadow because everyone (like Dany) assumes Quaithe is a shadow binder. But Asshai isn't the only place in ASOIAF associated with a region called the shadow. Against the walls of Sunspear sits a town called 'the Shadow City'. The town is built like a maze, but there exists the Threefold Gate, which allows direct passage through the city to the Old Palace of Sunspear. The Old Palace includes the Tower of the Sun. The sun produces light. So perhaps Quaithe meant Dany will go to Dorne, and that she'll pass through the Shadow City to go to Sunspear/the Tower of the sun. Where of course she'll meet with Prince Doran, who will give her "truth" about who she really is.

[@Rahim.ali80]

Always learn more about ASOIF when listening to you

[@rianbeegles3349]

Arya does have a connection to the Mountain though. It's the Mountain who initially destroys the Riverlands that Arya sees firsthand. It's the Mountain's Men who kidnap and traffick and enslave Arya, Gendry, Hot Pie and others to Harrenhal where the Mountain was holding for Tywin. Many of the people on Arya's list are his men, especially when she's in Harrenhal. The Mountain is also on her list specifically even though she's never interacted with him and he's never personally effected her life in the way Joffrey or Cersei have, and that's because she knows who is responsible for so much suffering in the Riverlands and Harrenhal specifically. So while she's not interacting with him face to face, she was still deeply effected by him and deems him personally responsible for all of that plight. Also I don't view Bran's vision as just depicting present aspects of the story as he sees Jon's dead body getting colder and colder, also I'm not sure what secrets Arya is holding tightly to her chest at the time of the Trident incident, except the fact that she chased Nymeria away but that's hardly a secret, so who is to say that Arya and possibly Sansa won't come across Robert Strong in the future of the books also? So yeah, I still think that guy in the vision is the Mountain as Robert Strong and not Tyrion. To me it just adds up too well to not be Robert Strong.

[@sheilahilton356]

Great one Gray, really loving ❤ the series

[@Katerine459]

Regarding the giant in Bran's dream: couldn't that giant be King's Landing itself? Made of stone, looming over both Sansa and Arya, menacing and hollow inside?

[@MichaelMedici61W2]

I literally just got done this whole chapter ( Tyrion & Mormont at the wall ) after what you said about him not giving a fuck about all the shit Mormont was asking him and telling him I had to agree with ya but also I nodded my head after Roy Dotrice said “... and he would. Tyrion Lannister was as good as his word.”

[@prajaktadande7053]

Great video 😍

[@justineharper3346]

Man, I really want to see a good Jon and Tyrion reunion. I'm hesitant to get my hopes up with Tyrion's trajectory now though. I think his story arc is becoming a villain, even though I absolutely adore him and dont want it to go that way.

[@oliviawilliams6204]

He always was on that way, Martin called him a villain after the release of Clash of Kings, that’s book 2. It’s subtle, and lot of people kinda buy on Tyrion view of himself, buy his own self hype, I know I did it too. He’s funny charming witty. But he hide his ow flaws even to himself. Like he’s not as clever as he thinks he is. Take his tenure as Hand in Clash, he spend his time worrying about Pycelle and Cersei, the two more inept players of the game while Varys and Littlefingers are running circles around him and he don’t see it.

[@justineharper3346]

I agree with you. He's still a highly likable character though and I don't want to see him go full dark side.

[@cameisabreland3465]

Gray the glass candles are burning. Lol.

[@OcarinaSapphr-]

The Manderlys & Woolfields have knights- both are Northern houses (though they are originally exiles from the Reach)

[@rnp2726]

This has become my most favourite asoiaf series ever bar none. thank you for all the effort you’re putting into making this happen! When do they come out? Is it weekly? Xx

[@supertrash33]

George is a BIG football fan, the NY Giants is his favorite team and Tyrion is his favorite character. Sometimes he connects his giants to the NYG, like Wun Wun vs Ser Patrek of Kings Mountain whose sigil matches the Dallas Cowboys. Could George's Tyrion/giant comparison be just shining a spotlight on the author's own personal feelings for Tyrion early in the series?

[@oliviawilliams6204]

Reminds me I guess you know that but someone reading the comments might not. That Ser Patrick was put in the books because George lost a bet with a friend who was a Dallas Cowboy Fan, and he had to put him in the books.... so George had a Giant kill him hahaha

[@jserrano51]

Casterly Rock = Stone

[@JoniukasVader]

Gray Area!!!

[@briceslorene8760]

I maybe second but, up doin my OT getting that money, thanks mama. For all the loose juice

[@ashleyofnaath]

This is a long shot, but could Skahaz make a fool of Tyrion by getting Tyrion to try and execute Hizdahr for a crime he didn't commit? This would directly parallel Tyrion's own experience of being tried/facing execution for a crime he didn't commit, so I like it in that way. Furthermore, Skahaz has already started the process of systematically eliminating a political rival by making a fool of Ser Barristan and getting him to imprison Hizdahr and stage a coup, so maybe he'll use Tyrion to execute Hizdahr and finish the process🤷‍♀️.

[@applewagon253]

I love her calling Alliser Thorne a “crappy bitch”... he totally is!

[@VixJustTryingOK]

I’ve been off my game, slow and slack’en. But always get my juice 🧃🔥🐉🐉🐉

[@GrayArea]

🖤🖤🖤

[@SHARKVADERS]

GA!!!

[@Valkanna.Nublet]

At the wall your past life is forgotten, you begin anew. Unless you're noble. In that case you're still a ser and lord, and get given positions of power and responsibility.

[@oliviawilliams6204]

Valkanna .Nublet that is true, very little common man seem to get any position of authority before Jon take over as Lord Commender. It seem to be supposed to be a meritocracy, but really was not. Jon started changing that, taking a whore boy as he’s squire, a wildlings as a sort of master at hand right hand etc for example.

[@natie3322]

Is Tyrion the giant that Sansa slays in a castle made of snow? Not Littlefinger...?

[@cheriealicent9981]

Nah it makes too much sense for it not to be LF. -LF's grandfather sigil was a giant - the quote "a small man that casts a large shadow" can very easily apply to LF - he's a physically small man that came from humble beginning, that rose high & had a huge effect on Westeros (ie therefore referring to the huge shadow) -"Savage" is what is used to describe the giant- & that's basically what I describe LF's actions as - someone who isn't afraid to committ cruel & ruthless actions for his own goals. - If LF is the giant & I'm that certain of it, then the castle of snow I'm betting is WF. First of all, the castle is literally called winter-fell. The North has the most acossiations with snow & winter in the series. And Sansa herself said she felt stronger within the walls of Winterfell so it's a fitting place for the demise of LF who tried to destroy the Starks.

[@MagnaMater2]

I'm curious about what might happen if fAegon nullifies the vows of all the people that were sentenced to the wall... I somehow don't think that Thorne and the other Targaryen-loyalists will stay at the wall. Only the Wildlings will be left for the defense.

[@chadgalloway7344]

My boo boo. Love some Gray

[@chrissyofoldstones3210]

More juice 🤩🥤

[@kionaofoldstones4263]

oooh killin it in that new profile pic 😍 no homo.. 🤭

[@GrayArea]

Thanks Boo!!!🖤🖤🖤

[@benhall9653]

Breathtaking photo.

[@ratgirl34]

I just realized that when Tyrion was Hand of the King he could have been sending people to the wall left and right. Any man caught breaking the Kings peace gets shipped to the wall. Not sure how to apply that to women though.

[@EPYHDA1]

Melisandre is quite wrong. The brightest fire does not produce the darkest shadow, just a more contrast one :)

[@MADKIDD623BHN]

...love the new profile picture.....!!!

[@unkleburgndy3939]

Giant made of stone, thick black blood = The Mountain

[@kaceyteague5264]

Ya know, talking about this made me realize what a small part Cersei had in the books. I mean how many POV chapters of HERS do we have? I’m on the third book right now and still have t gotten one.

[@kennydeth]

I was really excited that they were eating crabs! That stood out to me too when i read it. Do you think they spiced them up with some OLD Shipbreaker BAY?

[@carlawaye]

Queeeeeens ✨🙌🏾

[@niamhcoffey1064]

Gorgeous Gray! Love the new pic, Lady!

[@bronhaller]

Fool: Tyrion is dressed as a fool when he travels the Rhoyne

[@Cariabonador]

Love me some juice!

[@sanjaydodia8959]

Lady come with Juice 🙂❤️

[@leslieshE]

The thing about Alliser is that imo he just thinks training those (what he thinks are) useless boys to be fighters is pointless. It also makes him the strongest among those younger boys, like a bully would want to be. The fact that Jon is almost equal to him, fighting wise, is a tragedy for him. The only control he had over his life at the wall by bullying others is at risk to be over now that Jon is there so he's pissed off.

[@ashleyh7125]

Why Aemon didn’t meet Dany: 1. He really did relinquish his family when he took nights watch vows 2. He knows Dany is not a Targ.

[@sarcasticsid5589]

The thumbs down must be from Allister Thorne

[@oliviawilliams6204]

I’d be careful with thinking Tyrion is foreshadowed In aGoT. We know Martin plans changed a lot since then. Like he taught Tyrion would lead a Lannister siege on Winterfell.

[@LSK1]

love ❤️

[@lyannatargaryen3223]

Could Allister Thorn side with team Dany later in the story after the white walkers breach the wall? The whole thing with Allister and Sam, you need as many men at the wall as possible, why kill a new recruit? We are told you have to earn your place at the wall, but Allister gets to have an unearned title because he was a knight!?!

[@douglasbarton7135]

The Art of War is by Sun Tzu The Prince is by Macchiaveli

[@oliviawilliams6204]

Douglas Barton exactly

[@akiramado9198]

Beautiful new pfp Grey ♡♡♡

[@xxBowman1]

Whatcha know about those Steamed Maryland Blue crabs?? ❤️

[@GrayArea]

I know alllllll about him! Baltimore Here🙌

[@xxBowman1]

GrayArea Awesome! Preston on the Eastern Shore here!

[@elenim.6535]

Can someone remind me why Tyrion traveled to the Wall in the first place? I always forget.

[@9822703]

he wanted to see the wall.

[@elenim.6535]

@9822703, That simple, eh? Thanks!

[@brittanygoodwin4041]

I thanked he wanted to see the wall because he is an avid book reader and I'm sure he wanted to see for himself that the wall is really as stunning and awesome as described in his books.

[@comeatmebr0o]

Are you on Apple podcasts?

[@GrayArea]

yes

[@oculusdexterx6249]

Wow it’s been awhile since I’ve been on this channel due to how got ended. How do you still do it. Continue the comment on a novel series in which it’s tv series had a horrendous ending and whose author can’t seem to end the fricking story. Once I realized I opted out. Don’t know how he’s going to tie up EVERYONES storylines. I’m even getting pissed coming on here making this comment about GOT. It’s giving me ptsd lol

[@mrlivershot1]

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[@alexstewart9747]

I think the foreshadowing is like the prophecies. Just there to subvert your expectations. George doesn’t have the answers. Thats why it’s taking so long.

[@Noone-ub4is]

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[@jaelucky388]

Ok, so I finally checked out your pics on Instagram and I have concluded that you DEFINITELY should do videos and live chats showing your face. You will get alot more closet nerds like myself to subscribe. Just sayin.... use what you got momma.

[@Maj_Kasul]

Hello beautiful summer momma

[@sophiawilson8696]

I thought Tyrion was jerk!!!!

[@ajr3746]

Crebs aside..