Great De-esser… with an issue. Lindell Audio 902 De-Esser

[@audiotoolshed]

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[@AnimusInvidious]

A couple more things to keep in mind are that it's not phase neutral (so, not good for parallel processing) and that increasing the air band boosts the top end pre-detector (which has the potential to result in increased de-essing). Judging by the hefty noise floor and the clipping, they really wanted it to be analog. Which doesn't make the most sense for a de-esser, but I guess it can be thought of as a de-esser with a bit of added console-like mojo, for when that might be desirable.

[@matt_nyc_audioengineer]

Did you check if noise and oversampling were on? It certainly shouldn't be doing that but possible the "noise" is adding to the issue?

[@audiotoolshed]

Good thinking, but changing any of those settings doesnt change anything. It really is a input volume thing. When I use the HF it's less because the low end is ''bypassed'' and reduces the input level for the plugin. When I adjust the calibaration it does make a difference, in default it does it like this, and calibration changing is a bit random. Sometime it happens and sometime it doenst on the same looped audio part. Weird. Chaning input level also fixes it. I'm only suprised by that exact distorted sound it makes when you dont adjust.

[@matt_nyc_audioengineer]

@@audiotoolshed It was worth a shot. I have used it on a few projects so far. Specifically right after Auto-Tune (first) just to do a bit of light DeEssing before compression. Only on vocals that I can hear the sibilance will be an issue once I compress.

[@audiotoolshed]

I wish it was that simple for sure. You really need to dial in the plugin.

[@kiminthemix4251]

mine started distorting when the signal was reaching 0dbfs, but of course no one goes that high and again if you switch on the high filter the problem just goes away. I use it on my master buss as it is transparent often does my work.

[@audiotoolshed]

Yeah that shows it's an input thingy which cause that distortion.

[@kiminthemix4251]

pls do a review of pulsar's P440 sweet EQ. As it is a special kind of quirky designed style. it would be helpful.

[@NILGRU]

The reason it distorts like that is because they’re using frequency dependent limiting to achieve the de-essing. Listen to the clipping on something like ProQ3. You’ll hear the same thing.

[@audiotoolshed]

Yeah I hear it on pro-l2. The distortion gets less when you enable the Hf switch, so it’s full frequency level related

[@joost3783]

love this one ever since I got it I barely used another one. It just doesn't make the singers lisp so easily it's really musical sounding.

[@audiotoolshed]

It does sound good, the original DVZ hardware has been studio staple for decades for a reason. On the plugin, make sure you calibrate it properly to avoid that overload.

[@shanecgriffo]

My problem is that it is loading with a blank gui in ableton so not usable at all for me sadly.. i have an older computer tho and have struck this problem a couple times before - something to do with my onboard graphics . Strangely it loads fine in Reaper which i have the demo of but dont really use at this stage for recording projects.

[@audiotoolshed]

That's weird indeed. What kind of GFX are you running? On an older laptop of minie I could switch between onboard graphics or an nvidia chipset which made a lot of difference. Also, you're not running rescaling in windows or something as well? I have had weird issues with that as well with plugins.

[@Czyszy]

Antares Auto-Tune 5 also clips the signal. But that plugin is old and I think I'm still using the 32 bit version that I got back in the Windows XP days. xD

[@audiotoolshed]

;-) It almost sounds like a bit rate limitation

[@TWEAKER01]

Agreed regarding the screws in the GUI (and on any plugin with screws, rivets or rack ears). On the mix it's pumping because you have 6-8dB (!) of gain reduction in full frequency mode engaged (triggered by HF). Instead run it in HF mode and calibrate its dBu in the settings window. Clipping: likewise because of input level and it needs to be calibrated to a *nominal analog equivalent +4dBU/0VU level in settings*. i.e.: for a hot mix try +4dBu = -12dBFS. This is basic gain staging 101.

[@audiotoolshed]

You're right on all points, no doubt about that. I show the HF mode as well later in the video. Makes clear that the plugin works by overal level and doesnt look at hi frequencies only. But I like to counter in regards the calibration. Literally any other de-esser plugin doesnt need this to do its job. Its more of an hassle in the digital domain and unnessesary. That said, you absolutely need to make sure your gain staging is correct, and not because of this 1 plugin. It's just best practice.

[@jorgepeterbarton]

yes it seems like a full frequency mode wouldn't be useful for a master buss anyway.

[@AironExTv]

That clipping issue is a deal breaker for my work in dialogue mixing.

[@audiotoolshed]

If you dont go in too loud you wont have the clipping issue. You can also set calibration in the menu. It would have been nice this happend automatically of course.

[@AironExTv]

@@audiotoolshed This deesser might sit at the end of a chain, so it could happen. And that's just not on in 2020. It looks like they couldn't manage to keep something in the floating point realm. Hope they fix it because it does sound good and would complement my stack of deessers I already use, primarily Fabfilter and Harrison.

[@jorgefrias7889]

@@audiotoolshed In a way, it is a good reminder to gainstage.

[@Keroser1983]

Amazing review mate! I really think that it is an issue. I have never witnessed anything like that in any de-essers

[@audiotoolshed]

Yo! I dont know if its an issue or designed like that. Seems so obvious that you would have found that in testing.

[@valgimorais602]

i dont have that problem but any way that is compressor to sou whats the problem of having to mojo a couple dbs i even do the same whit my weiss but one thing i can tell all the other brands lisp your material quickly thats not the case whit weiss thechivation fabfilter izotope rx and now whit the lindell 902 what counts for me its how natural it sounds in the end of the work like master bus compressors you need to have multiple choices on De-Esser s to this one is very natural

[@audiotoolshed]

Using punctuation is nice to make a comment readable. Any way, the plugin distorts when you go in to loud. Other de-essers dont.. That's an issue which need fixing. Agree that the 902 sounds really nice.

[@alchemistrpm82]

@@audiotoolshed Petty lol. See all the double spaces where punctuation should be? Looks like his phone is broken 😂

[@audiotoolshed]

Who knows ;-) AT LEAST ITS NOT ALL CAPS

[@alexgregory1427]

@@alchemistrpm82 you have to say "period" so the phone makes a ".". He's even too lazy for that An no phone would write "sou...whit...thats"....this is a beat maker who can't speak proper...nor cares for others how they read.

[@alchemistrpm82]

@@alexgregory1427 you’re assuming he spoke it. Maybe you’re right. But who cares? W got his point

[@alchemistrpm82]

Unlike the screws (careful they don’t rust!) that distortion at high input is really something. Wth Lindell? I like to run high input into a lot of analog emulated plugins and control it with output. Lots of folks do. Oh well, I’m happy with the Era 6 de-esser.

[@audiotoolshed]

You can also adjust the calibration settings in the top right menu to avoid that distortion. But that's something you need to set everytime you use the plugins, just like the input level. Yeah it's weird.

[@alchemistrpm82]

@@audiotoolshed Perhaps true to the original 902. If they don’t fix the distortion, hopefully they let you set your calibrations as default so it saves. Not holding my breath for it though.

[@audiotoolshed]

Can't say. Regardless, I dont like that distortion ;-)

[@jeffdafoe]

Bought this thing long before Lindell joined PA... asked a simple question as to how this works wrt mono or stereo... never a response, so fuggit

[@audiotoolshed]

Either full stereo or mono i'd say.

[@jeffdafoe]

@@audiotoolshed But like which? Obviously, you can put it on a mono channel like the original 902.. but what happens if you plug it into a stereo channel?

[@audiotoolshed]

Then it would work as a stereo plugin. Like most plugins do by default .

[@jeffdafoe]

@@audiotoolshed Yeah great response, except this is allegedly a 902 repro and the 902 is mono... And the UI only reflects one channel.. so why would we assume stereo behavior for a plugin emulation where the original plugin is not stereo and the developer does not respond to how it behaves in stereo?

[@audiotoolshed]

The digital world is different ;-) try it!

[@ah.kamal.official]

i love spl Deesser

[@audiotoolshed]

Good one as well. I really like the t-de-esser

[@ah.kamal.official]

@@audiotoolshed Yes it's good one too

[@EdwinDekker71]

Top tight there is a menu which includes calibration from -12 to -20. In other words: RTFM.

[@audiotoolshed]

If you read any of the comments you would have posted this. RTFC.

[@alexgregory1427]

Problem is, Plugin Alliance never fixes or updates their plugins and GUI's I noticed. Whatever it is today, will likely be it in 8 years from now.

[@audiotoolshed]

If you go to the Plugin Alliance website and log in into your account and check a plugin, you will have the latest version. For instance Amek 200 is at version 1.2.0 , Ampeg SVT-3PRO at version 1.3.0. Those were some random ones i quickly checked. I never see an '' update available' in the plugin themselves though and cant remember if i ever saw it in the installation manager. I guess reinstalling all plugin will install the latest version in all cases.

[@richogem]

Totally false. Some plugins are v2 and v3 too.

[@audiotoolshed]

Yeah the plugins get updated. What is lacking is an pop-up / announcement in either plugin or the installer where updates could be mentioned, you have to check for each plugin separately on the website.

[@alexgregory1427]

@@audiotoolshed true but no real changes or improvements. Elysia or SOPL PAsseq from 8 years ago is unchanged. SHMC Green, unchanged.... list is long.

[@alexgregory1427]

@@richogem no real changes or improvements. Elysia or SPL PAsseq from 8 years ago is unchanged. SHMC Green, unchanged.... list is long.

[@h-dawg6462]

forget de-essing those vocals....easier to just delete them!!!

[@audiotoolshed]

Pretty failed attempt to troll.

[@suffpapst]

terrrible

[@audiotoolshed]

what exactly?

[@suffpapst]

@@audiotoolshed How can PA release a clipping plugin ... the vocal example doesn't need any deesser by the way.

[@audiotoolshed]

to be fair, with normal levels its all ok. it's just weird it clips like this when other de-essers dont.

[@davidsgardell]

Gain stage crew checking in! 😎 You should always gain stage, my friends! 🤓Now that I am aware of it, I make sure to always do that first! :) But yea, it's a bit weird that is does that, I was thinking maybe it's because they wanted to stay true to the original or something, but then again, they added features not on the original, so hm... 🤔 Anyways, I love it, really happy I bought this one and it doesn't hurt that I got it for $9.99! Download the demo and try it out! 🤘

[@audiotoolshed]

Haha, all for proper gainstaging! Not in the least because then you can keep the fader around 0 where it’s most sensitive and controlled. I can’t fully explain why it does that. Analog distortion sound way more pleasing if it was a “feature”