What If TF2 Maps Had NO Invisible Walls?

[@TARINunit9]

At first I imagined this being "all invisible walls made visible" and seeing the depressing claustrophobia of familiar maps turned into restrictive box-like arenas

[@thepip3599]

That actually sounds really interesting. I want to see that.

[@xL1PEx]

@@thepip3599 Just set "r_drawclipbrushes 2" in the console and there you have it.

[@theextremeanimator4721]

@@xL1PEx ...oh no.

[@whitespace226]

@@theextremeanimator4721 ...oh yea

[@yoursleepparalysisdemon1828]

that needs to be created

[@tonyf3431]

12:44 "Aand you can... take people's orders like a McDonald's, I dunno" ok but like now I can actually see a bunch of hoovies sitting there handing out lunchbox items

[@jd_the_cat]

That’s probably what I’d do if we could access that area in game.

[@spagsauce]

and the spies paying with the buy a life taunt

[@tonyf3431]

@@spagsauce y e s

[@vadernation1233]

One steak sandvich coming right up

[@420mralucard]

get a bunch of them and have them all hold a different lunchbox item so people can chose which one they want. Then if someone attacks them they all pull out the brass beast and shred the guy who did it.

[@WeegeeSlayer123]

Finally! Now we can go into that big monitor room in 2Fort that was seen at the beginning of Meet the Spy.

[@MachuThePichu]

That room is actually on doublecross

[@walrusgiraffe3440]

@@MachuThePichu soldier was so dedicated to killing the red spy that he ran all the way to 2fort

[@mustardcookie864]

@@walrusgiraffe3440 if you heard that your teammates were dying left and right because of a red french man you'd also be that determined to killing him

[@zyxkon8235]

@@walrusgiraffe3440 he wasted a whole night running from doublecross to 2fort

[@KrisTheBeatdown]

@@MachuThePichu isn't it in both?

[@Vooman]

ngl that 2fort edit looks like it would be hella fun if it was touched up to look normal (EDIT: and got some balance fixing), probably more fun than normal 2fort

[@The_WhitePencil]

Sir, have you heard of Free 2Fort?

[@dantheman2038]

"2_fort_engi_power" is like that, was on my favorite server back in the day and we had tons of fun on the roofs of 2fort

[@Vooman]

@@The_WhitePencil i have now played free 2fort, and can confirm i have had a spiritual awakening

[@The_WhitePencil]

@@Vooman very good, you have learned.

[@theartistformidablyknownas3807]

There's a map called 2fort egypt that does the same thing

[@MoniNueva]

Tf3, now featuring a new open-world campaign.

[@DynoSkrimisher]

Bruh. I want an Open World TF2 game.

[@nolader28]

@@DynoSkrimisher same

[@SomeRandoQuacko]

Now imagine it with destructible environments as well. heaven

[@boxcarz]

TF RPG with lore from the comics, taking down Gray Mann and assisting your team in taking over the western American desert.

[@LordVader1094]

@@boxcarz Y E S

[@ShockInazuma]

"We're back with the only series where you can take the camera, wherever you want. And we try to find secret in all our favourite games" wait, wrong KZbinr

[@Pop4484]

Boundary Break moment

[@StupidNSimplesns]

Used to watch that guy when I was like 13 all the time

[@elijahfriedline9381]

That’s A reference that breaks my boundaries

[@The_Great_Butler]

Between this and breakable 2fort, I REALLY want to see a modified version of 2fort without as many boundries and with the extensions made to blue that red already has. Add and remove some collision and texures and throw a whole server at it.

[@The_WhitePencil]

It already exists

[@elfabrip]

ctf_free2fort

[@MinosPrimeGaming]

I remember playing a map similar to what you described

[@Tekker2234]

There is a map that is similar in concept to this called widefort. It is basically 2fort but opened up on the sides with some other edits to map geometry to make more flank routes possible with the extra space.

[@pepsiatlas5452]

open 2fort would make an AMAZING garys mod map with all the textures touched up. just that massive, flat desert around this little, engineery complex. with garages. and a river. its perfect!

[@ExoTheFlyingFish]

Invisible walls are the worst. For example- that one above Upward's first point that completely blocks you from stickeyjumping way behind the enemy.

[@dgamer5075]

And the invisible wall on upward that blocks most rocket jumps from BLUs furthest spawn point.

[@Henrix1998]

It would be the worst to not have it

[@user-qc1mc2ly8j]

I can only imagine. I play xbox so I can't play upward tho But I can only imagine dealing all that self damage to your health and then trying to land there but end up falling down (idk its layout but I'm guessing to your death)

[@wuzz111]

Laughs in a balanced good map Invisible walls do serve a purpose, though if it was replaced with a visible one I think a lot less people would dislike it.

[@gr3my]

@@wuzz111 tru tru

[@dutssz]

I love how he rate the new locations by how good an engineer sentry would be there

[@lm9029]

Alternative title: "TF2 but learning to rocket jump pays off"

[@blight8bit]

"You may notice the hole to the center of brazil"

[@roboticintelligenceunit1a652]

“Anywhere you can see you can go” Me: M o u n t I n s?! Edit: I mostly meant I could go on the mountains and others can extreme ranch o or grapple hook there because grapple in community servers

[@The_Great_Butler]

It just works.

[@searing878]

It just dows

[@theredspy6688]

it just works

[@minithegameguy4674]

Little lies, stunning shows, people buy, money flows!

[@voltydragon6140]

It just works

[@elitely6748]

Imagine if Valve made us see the whole story of tf2 but ingame

[@ganicc4782]

Fun fact: You can see all this WITH the usual props in SFM since SFM does not limit you as much as TF2 does.

[@cetozofumee]

I'd disagree. Sfm is the limit.

[@VIOLENT6]

this takes spy's voiceline "Off to visit your mother" to a whole new level

[@Kylirr]

>picrew icon

[@hazeltree7738]

@@Kylirr And?...

[@Kylirr]

@@hazeltree7738 if you know you know.

[@hazeltree7738]

@@Kylirr And if I don't, I want to know

[@Kylirr]

@@hazeltree7738 guess you better do some research then

[@Rebateman]

if this was an april fools video, you would remove the invisible walls by making them visible

[@MrGermandeutsch]

absolute genius

[@bn77t]

Seeing these maps kinda fills me with a feeling of sadness. The fact that developers had a lot of visions for the game then ended up abandoning it really hits weird. The TF2 universe in general is just so awesome and it makes me sad thinking what the game could've been if valve actually cared. Animated movies, updates, hell even a TF2 TV show. Man.

[@applesyrupgaming]

spahgetti leftover code from quake

[@AnnaSue81]

expiration date was a pilot for a scrapped adult swim series, rumors flew around. its just depressing how bad valve is.

[@Spacebugg]

@@applesyrupgaming what

[@dailyyy5979]

@@Spacebugg spahgetti leftover code from quake

[@wallywheezer8256]

@@AnnaSue81 It had the potential to be a great show too

[@_strayfer_]

2Fort actually looks enjoyable... what in the hell

[@betty-ld6wy]

had the same thought

[@engineergaming3412]

Alternative title: great blue discovers open maps

[@casulal_m6900]

I kinda wanna see a regular match played on some of these maps

[@l_Dash]

This is going to be hilarious on a community server

[@northwestcottt]

free 2 fort.

[@utamajuruteraperunding7307]

Imagine if this man remove every invisible wall in wutvile.

[@elfabrip]

My CPU would just inmediatly lit on fire

[@walrusgiraffe3440]

that would be epic

[@mynormalpillshavewornoff1991]

oh no oh no oh no oh no oh no oh no oh no oh no oh no oh no oh no oh no oh no oh no oh no oh no oh no oh no oh no oh no

[@micha5200]

ENGINEER CAMPING

[@cetozofumee]

Wutville would finally be ballanced

[@JoeL-bd9lz]

me: opens map walks out of spawn gets hit with a barrage of sentry bullets on the roofs respawns game crashes

[@Apple-vk3fi]

3:52 funning thing is, is that he sentry can detect enemies through the crack from the spiral door from outside so its almost as if we were supposed to go up there at one point

[@youtubeguy5454]

22:17 secret teleporter, enemy engine sentry jumps up there, and boom you got a annoying sentry-teleporter nest

[@epunati]

0:00 - Introduction 1:35 - ctf_2fort 15:13 - cp_well 25:04 - cp_granary 30:04 - ctf_sawmill 35:40 - Outro

[@NoSymes082]

No one: Blue: THIS WOULD BE A GREAT SPOT FOR A SENTRY!

[@greenlemon9155]

0:40 those are "area portal" and not used at all for clip, but for the portal system and you should never, really never disable it

[@greenlemon9155]

He just need to be understood, all he ask for is just a little care Dont feel scared by he imperfection

[@ScruffySFM]

The only thing I'd remove is the occluders, but not the areaportals.

[@greenlemon9155]

i dont wanna sound mean, or be that smartass, but i have no idea what you call "occluder"

[@grizzle4449]

@@greenlemon9155 there is a func called occluder, it hides anything behind it

[@CoolSs]

as much i hate playing on 2fort . i still have so much love to the feel and look and atmosphere of the map . some of the old sfm's and gmod on 2fort give me nostalgic warm feeling toward the map it reminded me of old tf2 before we forgot what art style and theme mean and start adding too much . we did not stop and think . should we add meme hat or bad maps ? no we should not (tf2 need quality control for sure) . 2fort look make me wish we got single player tf2 game . i love the spy base under 2forts and wish we did that (you know . like 60's war conspiracy and the game will be before the gray man attacked mann co )

[@realmackle]

My life as a demoknight would be 100x easier, I can tell you that

[@JosephFlores-yn4yi]

What about the sentry places tho?

[@realmackle]

@@JosephFlores-yn4yi :hollow emoji:

[@evangonzalez7732]

My life as a spy main would be much much easier, more flanks = more fun as tuxedo terrorist :)

[@thennoth2860]

This is really interesting. I'm considering taking 2fort and doing this but spending a much longer time polishing it up since you did multiple maps.

[@thennoth2860]

Progress update: I've been texturing and extending parts of the map to make it feel more like a place, and got rid of some weird stuff, made sure to keep stair clipping. Unfortunately made the mistake of deleting all the skybox textures resulting in FIFTEEN THOUSAND NUMPORTALS* , time to add skybox back manually because it took nearly half an hour to compile

[@demogaming8895]

@@thennoth2860 yikes, I wouldn't mess with that map, it's held together by the holy spirit, the smallest change can break it

[@thennoth2860]

@@demogaming8895 I stopped working on it today but I'll continue tomorrow, yeah, its a total shitshow lol. The compile times too... It's absolutely insane. I can't believe this map still functions.

[@racer927]

"Maps require impassable boundaries, but unless we restrict the environments to either interior spaces or steep canyons, these boundaries can't always block the player's view of the outlying, unreachable area. In our more realistic titles, like HL2, these boundaries often require fictional and visual explanations. In the heavily stylized Team Fortress world, however, conspicuous artificiality is a core design principle and so we can simplify or altogether ignore these explanations without compromising the player experience. Playtesting showed, for instance, that these low fences leading to an empty expanse successfully conveyed the message that the area beyond the fence is uninteresting and out-of-bounds." --- Laura Dubuk

[@InkyGhoul]

This one’s so nostalgic to me. When I was a kid with the orange box on xbox 360, TF2 had a bunch of modders. If you joined their lobbies, they often had custom stuff going on. Especially modded 2fort with less boundaries. I remember all the cheesy building spots I had. Specifically behind the windows of the control point I’d put a tele and dispenser too. There was even more crazy stuff, though. For example, super powered classes, infinite spy cloak, infinite crit mini gun, super engineer quick building. But also, if you joined their lobby, you’d be able to use voice lines with the dpad, which you normally can’t do.

[@kingfrog6807]

someone needs to show this to soundsmith he'd love the sawmill also could you do sawmill i think its the coolest one and its like the most fixable

[@ScruffySFM]

SolarLight would have a field day

[@BenDavisSkydiving]

God I hate the skybox on sawmill.

[@proboscismonkeygaming]

Our lord and saviour amazing red has uploaded once again

[@circlexc908]

Damn, we really giving him the large Joseph treatment?

[@proboscismonkeygaming]

@@circlexc908 Wtf do you mean, are you talking about gargantuan jonathan or joesephine of considerable size?

[@circlexc908]

@@proboscismonkeygaming perhaps, but I was thinking more along the lines of Gigantic Johan.

[@DerpyDooReviews]

I've played on these maps for years and years but there's still things I never noticed. I somehow never noticed the giant ship on CP_Granary. You just don't pay attention to areas you can't go to I guess.

[@karocentein]

The yellow dots on cities in the 2fort intel screens are australium depots.

[@jamesdevine02]

25:28 "As long as it doesn't cause problems, it should be fine." - Great Blue, 2021

[@A_Senitent_Ford_F150]

I'm sure there is comments that have pointed this out, but there is a map called "Destructible 2fort" which open the same areas in the intel room but also you can break certain walls to hide or put a sneaky sentry. And the map-maker(s) made non-colidable objects, colidable. Go try it out!

[@ReiCaixa]

I've seen a video about a destructable 2Fort (and pretty sure they did it to other maps). They made all props solid and fixed a lot of things. Then the players could break windows and stuff and use those areas (like the rooms by the Intel room)

[@shadowsheder6519]

5:15 i remember that on Xbox360 you could somehow crouch on the stairs while going up and than you glitched out and you were able to put a tele exit there. After one person did it the whole srver went friendly and we built dispensers on the rooftops. you can do this on both sides and its super fun! you can even build a sentry on the rooftop and they cant kill it for some reason the invisible wall blocks their bullets or projectiles( i dont remember wich one) but the sentry can shoot them without a problem!

[@YZYE]

Maybe I can finally leave the battlefield and make a life selling Milk, as my Scout has an infinite reply that somehow replenishes itself, I might also sell the Balls from his Melee weapons.

[@ThatguycalledJoe]

11:13 "I would love to see this in actual gameplay." - Look up AceTheOcarinaMaker's video "2fort but it's DESTRUCTIBLE!", thank me later. Also, no one ever will because it's not worth the effort, but I'd enjoy seeing a 2Fort World map where the map is just 2Fort, but with the invisible walls removed and *everything* modeled. All the spots that are like "Oh, we didn't model this because you're not supposed to see it." are filled in, and let's say that barn way out in the distance? Make that a real-ass barn that you can go to and be inside, and it has full collision and everything. Is that barn useful for gameplay purposes? Heck no. But it's interesting to look at. Also maybe add some extra props so classes other than Soldier, Demoman, and to a lesser extent Engineer and Scout can actually get around.

[@RayanfhoulaBR]

These spots at blu's intel on 2forts look so comfy for me and I don't know why where download

[@ThwompantsGarbageDump]

I mean, hey. There's a coffee room.

[@RayanfhoulaBR]

@@ThwompantsGarbageDump For the the elevated ones are the best

[@YourFriendJessie]

pro tip: when doing any kind of video with source maps - because youtube and twitch compression "love" darkness, a good command to learn is "mat_fullbright 1" which will allow you to light up all surfaces and objects completely.

[@kyokonull]

"basically i just deleted every clip and player clip brush" ...this is going to be one of those days

[@j.a.m.m]

Damn, I learned a lot of new things about the Hammer editor (the first thing being that it exists), thank you!

[@Buglin_Burger7878]

Invisible walls and glass keep Soldiers, Demo, and Engi in check. It is pretty interesting and says a lot about balance, that these classes would arguably be OP, especially Engi as unless you make these areas all unbuildable you have hidden teleporters for your team that a spy can't find or a Sentry a spy can't reach. Heavies can't get close to do effective damage, so this leaves Soldiers and Demos if you position well.

[@mothballmouth]

I used to play on a server all the time that had an open Tuefort map called "Engi-powered", it utilized lots of the newly opened spaces well to make the map much more balanced. I wish I remembered what server it was, it was always popular but then it died :(

[@suspiciousersandwich]

please if you have time. flesh out these maps. a less choke point less sniper hell two fort would be amazing.

[@grizzle4449]

I will try to make 2fort, without useless clips, a lot of new areas. I actually made dustbowl like that, i have released it to the workshop, but the workshop is shit and it wont anyone download the map KEKW it was top2 on workshop once

[@crashmasterj0837]

In the words of medic- “ooh”

[@juckya9660]

"Because of the holes here it's a whole lot harder to camp here"

[@metallic_king2106]

i'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but theres a map called 2fort revamped and it adds a way to get into that small room on the ceiling with the diagonal windows in the intel room

[@AlternateAccount-t1j]

those server rooms are so cozy

[@arielchandia2]

god imagine all of the engineers putting sentries in the ceiling

[@Scanlaid]

Wall-less 2fort..... Takes me back to the xbox 360 days, jellyhopping through the long rock hall stairway down to intel

[@ozvoid1245]

Someone needs to do a polishing of all these maps with this concept, would be very interesting.

[@madmasseur6422]

The room with the big map is probably the only way a single player can take out the high ground sentries if the player enters it through that hallway window so it definitely has a purpose

[@linxbit8984]

Considering there's already free 2fort, I think sawmill would he the most interesting.

[@Viocuralets]

that version of 2fort looks really good for ninjaneering

[@NintenGunner]

Sawmill with the open-ness you gave it would be a BLESSING to play on. Please do that one.

[@youtubeuniversity3638]

Shoulda added Magenta textures to the untexed stuff, would stand out more.

[@ScruffySFM]

Or just texture it properly

[@Kevin-lv8wv]

I love the opening in the roof on 2fort, always fun to jump up there with air strike solder and unload a clip onto a sentry nest

[@hunt3308]

I think upward could be pretty wacky if you remove all the death barriers on the cliffs

[@thepip3599]

For some reason watching this video made me feel so motion sick that I almost threw up. Playing the game usually does that to me if I haven’t played it in a while, but I’ve never had it happen from watching a video before.

[@jamesdevine02]

25:40 I wouldn't worry about that, since Snipers don't have the required mobility to access areas that high up anyway. Soldiers, demomen and sentry-jumping engineers would be a much greater concern.

[@blazeburner303]

I saw this and I was like "so the inferior map expanded series" which does literally this but makes the collision the actual map border lol

[@SweetKait]

The 2fort part just reminds me of old days of playing xbox tf2 and doing medic needle jumps and teleporter glitches to be able to go out of bounds, was some fun times

[@tright6]

The blocked off parts of 2fort actually look like unfinished areas, so it isn’t hard to imagine that with some tweaking it could look like a complete map.

[@_GhostMiner]

*10:17** It's over, Anakin! I have the high ground!*

[@cetozofumee]

YOU UNDERESTIMATE MY POWER

[@eh2239]

Oh god I can already see the sniper cancer spots already oh god

[@pigeon_openfortress]

Nice to see another hammer++ user, keep up the good work!

[@theattacker4135]

this was a really awesome video. if you were to make more (which i really hope you do) id love to see maybe a few maps like junction. I wonder if much would change route wise on that map.

[@Fennalope]

22:38 you actually used to be able to build up there when TF2 first came out i have fond memories of building ontop of the central tower opposite to the rocket. this was way back then when we had no wranglers, and could not even pick up our buildings, we had to place buildings in specific areas and use them to place teleporters up onto higher ones just to get up there.

[@hg7h103-g]

If these were made into maps, I'd love to see all of the things you can phase through turned into solid objects, and to just clean up the map in general.. that'd be an amazing map to play on.

[@silvercapsule9176]

You are an extremely underrated youtuber man, I hope your channel blows up big one day, and we can all celebrate the dub with a party

[@biggmackthewackslack6654]

I dont think I've ever met anyone who's favourite map is "Well" I mean I like the trains lol

[@shakeztf]

i like the fact that the train changes from a dev textured brush to an actual train at 16:41 well i guess it was just a nodraw brush before but its still funny

[@bloobiest]

You should make a 3rd one of these, this is so entertaining to watch, I'll definately be showing some of my friends these videos. Hope you grow more because this is awesome :)

[@2005sam]

this dude be soundin like the actor for young emmet brown from the telltale games back to the future XD

[@BOT-Mojjo]

My inner map maker's heart is hurting... you just removed all of it... some of it is there for a reason... and it's gone. i love it

[@JanoschNr1]

Omg I *LOVE* this version of it way more, looks way more alive and intristing

[@foxnachos_]

these maps should be on a community server

[@gododoof]

There is an open version of 2fort that I've played on before.

[@inkstar7521]

Now your able to go to the Teufort library!

[@doyouseetorpedoboats8893]

FYI you can equip BASE jumper on Demo

[@williamsmith6921]

The thumbnail made me think this was a leadhead video

[@microsoftseniortechneeshun]

Great vid bro :)

[@blubberking100]

I need to see what a completely open Upward looks like

[@Crit-Chance]

Yeah I don't know I feel like invisible walls are a relic of the old days of gaming, they need to go. Nobody likes them. We understand why they're there, but they're annoying. I feel like if you wanna limit the play area, then fine but don't make the walls invisible, you gotta have something there that's easily identifiable as a map boundary. Plenty of games have done it before, you know, like a grid thing that becomes visible as you approach it, and then if you go past it you get the typical prompt like "You are leaving the combat area, get back in 5 seconds" type thing. That's just way better than straight up having a wall there that can screw you over. Hey who knows, maybe in Team Fortress 3...? Heh.

[@JellyBlockLP]

This video was really cool. Good work man!

[@Aksen0076]

23:27 Time for the ultimate market garden.

[@MaestroAlvis]

I remember someone did a game of destroyable 2fort. Sentries were hell

[@dontrwooshmeorurgay9565]

Ace the ocarina maker?

[@hypotheticallycheese]

Removing All Clipping Brushes is a very bad idea for complicated map designes

[@maddoxsane4946]

I would love that updated 2fort map! It wouldn't be so damn stalematey with all the additional routes to get intel

[@Qwerty-zj3rk]

The black lines all over the ground is a rendering error with displacements.

[@notyou2424]

You needed to remove the barriers? Xbox 360 Tf2 days we could get to most of these spots with Engie.

[@Zipperskull_]

Omg the memories 😂

[@normconel2907]

Really cool idea. It's almost surreal seeing you jump onto the roofs!

[@KFlexFantastic]

They don’t even know that we were getting up to these skyboxes and then over these fences in 2007 with the medics needle jump boost while we frantically tried to balance being thrust upward and place a teleporter exit on the one tiny spot in the skybox

[@catfan5618]

Nobody: Great Blue: You could put a Sentry in here.

[@jumpinghunter9152]

Please, can you publish no bounds granary, we all want to play on it! This is insanely cool. Also this is a pure heaven for trolldiers, and i want to market garden somebody by jumping from this roofs!