What if Medieval Mode was Historically Accurate? - TF2

[@eclecticspaghetti]

There’s an open door at RED spawn that reveals some kind of server room, which confirms that this isn’t actually TF2 in the distant past, so I like to think that Medieval mode is just all the mercs going to the Renaissance Fair and bending the rules considerably on what’s allowed.

[@edward9487]

The Soldier pissed off a wizard.

[@warpey5632]

@@edward9487 Also Australia had 22th century technology during the 19th century but that was due to australium.

[@phearamax4146]

I mean, they have capture points and automatic gates, so I always assumed this was just everyone going to DeGroot Keep to fuck around

[@chitosetakaki9385]

Just imagine them fighting in medieval mode and then just seeing random rockets from the soldiers that missed their shots in the other maps,flying past the sky and hitting trimping demoknights cuse remember rockets have infinite range

[@jam9484]

@@warpey5632 “22th”

[@AlextheLordofFire]

9:33 I mean, in the comics Spy says the cloth of his jacket is “from silkworms raised at a suit microfarm in Tuscany, from a secret pattern passed down by monk tailors since the seventh century”. So, assuming you take the medieval lore of tf2 as a justification, the suit could be made by these monks. Either way silk clothes have been around since at least 3630 BC, so someone could maybe at some point figure out this secret pattern at some point in the medieval ages if we out rule the existence of this monks.

[@businessman3606]

Crap you stole my comment that i came up with.. lol me when someone else already thought uo my original idea: :0

[@EternallyDoomed]

@@businessman3606same lol, I reread the comics a week ago so it’s fresh on my mind, and I remember that line cuz the few words before it were a spy crab reference

[@SRNOUAN]

But the ski mask and gloves look to be rubber instead of silk so idk

[@mewmew8932]

those aren't on the unarmed combat@@SRNOUAN

[@mewmew8932]

gloves existed in the 1000's@RabiaCelik0307

[@Warpzel65]

Actually, Shakespearicles invented rocket jumping. Lincoln invented stairs.

[@yourlilbrudder5766]

And Shakespearicles invented America

[@SpaceGuyOnline]

Esteemed TF2 Lore Expert here The invention of RocketJumping is extremely muddled in TF2 Lore in additon to the invention of stairs. Shakespearicles is credited for inventing stage plays, America and Rocket Jumping. Abraham Lincoln however on the Gun Mettle coin says he was the inventor of Rocket Jumping as well, despite also saying he invented stairs because that was the only way to get up to the second floor without Rocket jumping... despite it also saying Roosevelt invented stairs as a result of a Rocket jumping incident. There's more evidence pointing to Abraham not inventing stairs but the evidence that says he did is much more recent.

[@PearoIGuess]

@@SpaceGuyOnline i believe roosevelt looked at abraham's stair concept and improved on it after a rocket jumping incident?

[@RocketHarry865]

@@PearoIGuess I think the whole Shakespearicles and Abraham invented stairs and rocket jumping is just soldier being soldier and failing history again unironically believing in stuff he made up because he is a lead poisoned lunatic. First of all gunpowder was invented in China in the 9th century, wasn't weaponized until the mid 10th century and did not arrive in Europe until the late 13th century. Yet multistory buildings exist around the world several millennia prior to gunpowder.

[@donaldfrankcheadlejr.1244]

@@RocketHarry865 ladders and ramps, obviously

[@edfreak9001]

i'm like 90% sure Jarate was disallowed to prevent Sniper from just becoming the entire meta VS just being 3/8ths of the meta

[@gunman598]

Piss wasn’t invented yet

[@irohnic473]

No. It’s because Hale canonically invented Jarate in 1967

[@ForeskinPyroTF2]

@@irohnic473 OHHH this makes so much sense

[@thunderspark1536]

​​@@irohnic473Pretty sure the idea of pissing into a jar wasn't tho

[@DaveSmith-tk2bb]

@@thunderspark1536you wouldn’t be able to get that much piss in a short amount of time without saxton hales Jarate pills or not be in complete agony due to your organs failing from using jarate pills without saxton hale pain tonic

[@stefan-x9g]

*"jarate is not allowed in medieval mode"* Ah yes, almost forgot! Pissing was invented in 1885 by John Pissman when he tried to crap water.

[@benjaminbarraza8972]

Aparently there was a guy born in Belgium in 1871 named John Pissman, so I guess it is possible that happened in the tf2 universe

[@Japonezul75]

Sounds like TF2 lore to me

[@stefan-x9g]

@@Japonezul75 oh hi, didn't expect to find you here

[@Bloockackack]

The actual reason is is that saxton Hale’s Jarate pills doesn’t exist yet. Interesting lore decision on the devs part even though the average person could likely just fill it up over like two days

[@hatsuneblacktrousers]

you're thinking of italian inventor astolfo digharei, who invented diarrhea in 1667 when he tried to crap water john pissman didn't invent urine but he popularized the word "piss" (also he lived in 1985, not 1885) urine was invented by ludwig ürinstein in, surprisingly, 1963, before 1963, it was just yellow cu-

[@darthplagueis13]

Frankly, the huntsman could work. Whilst there was no adhesive tape in medieval times, the wrapping could have been made from cloth drenched in birch tar, which would have looked very simular, would have been available and would have worked just as well.

[@himboghost629]

Yea, didn't think he'd use tape there

[@BlueDavrial]

All "adhesive tape" shown on the weapons which were disqualified for that alone could easily be tar-soaked strips of leather or thick fabric, which DID exist, albeit in limited usage, to help bind certain things together, as the tar was sticky when wet but added rigidity to the form of the strips once hardened.

[@ashtongiertz8728]

Yeah, we had been making adhesive mixtures since 5,200 BC

[@HolyKhaaaaan]

That comment is the one that pisses me off the most. If you needed a modern understanding of chemistry in order to understand what stickiness is, 99% of the people on the planet couldn't wrap their gifts for Christmas with anything but string. The guy has no sympathy for people from the Middle Ages at all.

[@sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149]

​@@HolyKhaaaaan He underestimates them at least. Spring loaded mechanisms have been in use since at least the 16th century if I'm not mistaken, where I'm more specifically thinking about the trident-style spring-loaded parrying dagger. While 16th century is not medieval times, it's _far_ from impossible to have been made during the 15th century. I mean really, the big earner should at least in the passable category.

[@johnfroh6774]

In a similar vein, the Holy Mackrels rubber band might be twine

[@orestisgeorgatos6725]

Ancient China would use sticky rice as a form of glue and it worked fairly well even in building, it’s very believable that It could be made

[@sakesaurus]

5:34 this is exactly how swords were made in medieval. Handle is fitted on to the same piece of steel/any metal as the blade. Even if knives were they made differently, man, the concept has been around since antiquity

[@darthplagueis13]

Knives weren't made differently. In fact, there was a type of sword called the Messer (german for knife) because it featured a full-tang handle which was common on knives, whereas most swords had a hidden tang that went all the way through the sword handle and was secured by a pommel.

[@red0tf285]

@@darthplagueis13 I agree, in fact messer was the first thing i thought of when he was talking about knifes, also a butcher knife in medieval times makes much more sense than it does now since we can cut meat using machines and other things that pepople back then couldnt

[@percher4824]

Jarate not being allowed in medieval mode is likely a crucial balancing decision on Valve's part due to its terrifying power.

[@M.J44]

Especially since the one singular medival map in the game is so small that it practically begs for jarate to be spammed out of the spawn doors

[@CIO-Anims]

Hi, TC2 player here. Tc2 is a Roblox recreation of tf2. In medieval mode jarate is allowed. And jarate is actually not all that op, and I believe that it wouldn’t be devastating and make sniper the best class in medieval. Sincerely, a tc2 lover.

[@percher4824]

@@CIO-Anims Roblox is not, and will never be, an accurate representation of actual TF2 or its balance. Jarate allows instant kills on 7 out of 9 classes with the Bushwacka, has an pretty big area of effect, lasts for a long time, and recharges after a bit. Allowing it in medieval mode would make the last point boring and not fun to play, as everyone has to stand in a small area to capture it or block the point. A single BLU Sniper could splash the entire RED team on the point and vice versa.

[@jam9484]

@@percher4824 most intelligent tc2 player

[@HolyKhaaaaan]

I can't help but smile at the idea that a jar of piss has terrifying power. But it is so true my friend.

[@IBeforeAExceptAfterK]

I always interpreted the logic behind medieval mode to be that the mercs got sent back in time with whatever weapons they had on them, and eventually ran out of ammo for everything except what they could make with the materials of the day.

[@grape_protogen]

That would (sorta) make Sniper not getting Jarate make sense; He wouldn't have access to the Jarate pills anymore... he probably still would be able to go number 1 regardless, so I don't know.

[@IBeforeAExceptAfterK]

Yeah, but he probably wouldn't be able to recharge it multiple times mid-battle anymore.

[@elsesome2707]

Or, more accurately. It's poorly thought out theme park. You can find hackneyed TF2 spy base props behind half closed doors, and there is a car stationed just outside one of the control points.

[@IBeforeAExceptAfterK]

Fair point. My mentality kinda formed in the time between first playing the map and noticing the hidden computer banks. That said, I'm curious: where exactly is the car you're talking about? I hopped into the map and noclipped around a bit since I couldn't remember seeing one, and all I found was a pair of tire tracks behind BLU spawn.

[@DallinBackstrom]

I'd argue that the black "tape" on the huntsman is too ambiguous to call so emphatically. After all, ancient composite bows, which layer multiple materials with different elastic properties, often wrapped those layers together for structural integrity-- for example, an ancient mongol bow, dated to ~2400 years ago, was found to have been constructed of laminated wood, sinew, and animal horn, and wrapped entirely in rawhide for structural integrity and water-fastness. notably, the first ever laminated bows, which appear in sythian cultures ~5000 years ago, already used strong animal-based (fish based in this case) glues to hold the layers of the bow together. Seeing as people have been using both fibrous membranes and adhesives in the construction of bows for thousands of years, (and what is tape, if not a fibrous membrane coated with adhesive on one side) I'm gonna have to disagree on that one. fun video tho

[@logged-out]

yeah it could just be some black cloth

[@aristocraticrat]

Also, because the dude in the vid based it on the design, almost no weapon that was listed should be on there, as they use modern materials, like tape for demoman’s longsword

[@schism_9893]

You could also argue that it could fit into the catagory of "Existed but looked different" like the equalizer and the escape plan.

[@pompousFurball]

definitely not tape imo

[@hmmm6317]

Hey uh, you might wanna check those numbers

[@allstarwoo4]

Springs were known about just not common due to it being expensive. And adhesive and tape would’ve been possible just not in the form we’re use to. They would’ve used hide glue as an adhesive and depending on the situation sinew or leather as a backing. Sinew which is really good for bows because of its tensile strength when dry.

[@Thebooooy]

At 9:28 For the unarmed combat, when you said you couldn't find what spy's suit was made of, it actually says what spy's suit is made of in the comics. He tells sniper *"Bushman, this is a $10,000 custom-tailored Louis Crabbermache jacket. The cloth is from silkworms raised at a suit microfarm in Tuscany, from a secret pattern passed down by monk tailors since the seventh century."* Technically it would be allowed, but since it was modern-day, I'm gonna go with no.

[@grummdoesstuff2983]

Actually, since he specifically says the "since the 7th century", it should be perfectly fine, as Medieval times are genrealy considered to be form roughly the 4th-16th century

[@TheLegend2T]

So it’s the opposite case of the mutated items?

[@TheKiloMight]

Undetermined

[@wingedbluj1674]

I feel the design of the suit itself would be different, but the weaving pattern is what existed since the 600's. So it'd be in the same boat as the picks and homewrecker

[@kayagorzan]

Yes indeed

[@Joseplh]

I disagree with the Hot Hand, it would NOT be made out of rubber, fireman gloves like that could and would be made out of Asbestos as it is near immune to fire damage. Some kings in the medieval would have literal robes made out of the stuff. According to legends, King Charlemagne had a table cloth made of the stuff and would toss it into a fire after a feast as a party trick.

[@shroapkudavichski4894]

Wow,that’s insane could you please provide a source for that?

[@theburningkitten4019]

@@shroapkudavichski4894source; it came to me in a dream

[@SkullTheLegless]

Cool fact bro, how about that source?

[@roryschmidt5776]

Wikipedia asbestos. Use their sources if you have to. It's not that hard

[@nightlyy-]

​@SkullTheLegless did you know if you type "king charlemagne asbestos" on Google you'll get a source

[@I0NE007]

3:40 Classic Bow: because we can't see what materials are actually being used, and are working on assumptions, I always believed it was bound with straps of leather, which would have been available. (just before that) The fish: I always thought the "rubber band" was a piece of string, which is likely to still be allowed. However, the newsprint still makes this unlikely (at best) due to Moveable Type and mass produced inks being (if available at all) too expensive to be available to wrap a fish. The Necrosmasher, to me, is "just a simple pin joint" since it flops around as you move dependent on gravity and player movement. While it COULD be "an unpowered servo," it's akin to taping a motor to an axe and saying "because it's motorized."

[@wingedbluj1674]

Doesn't the Necrosmasher have a little plastic hand attached to the joints

[@I0NE007]

@@wingedbluj1674 Maybe? But it can also be painted metal, which is how I imagine it, since it's a lot easy to stamp that as two parts and nail it onto the body, or forge the hand and initial bar as a single piece. Since we aren't told what the things actually are, everything could just be convincingly painted cardboard, a la Extreme Cosplay Effort.

[@TheSecondLord000]

‘taping a motor to an axe’, or, in other words, the powerjack

[@I0NE007]

@@TheSecondLord000 Not quite; that's a car BATTERY, not the car MOTOR.

[@TheSecondLord000]

@@I0NE007 yeah I know but close enough

[@darthplagueis13]

5:40 Gonna call bs on that. Full-tang knife and sword handles have been around for ages. In fact, there's a german medieval type of sword called the Messer (also Langmesser, Großes Messer or Kriegsmesser) which literally just translates to "knife" specifically because it did have this kind of handle design which was typically just used with knives (whilst swords usually featured a hidden tang which would go all the way through the handle and end in a threading which the pommel was screwed onto).

[@llamasteve8376]

Yep, if you buy a bladed weapon, particularly a sword, and it doesn't have a full tang then it's probably shit. I very much doubt any sword would last very long if it wasn't full tang, so they had they were able to do it to swords, I imagine they did it with knives.

[@RedShocktrooperRST]

On extending the blade of the sword into the handle: This was actually used as a loophole for German peasantry as they were banned from ownership of swords. Hence the Messer, Lange Messer and Kriegsmesser, swords constructed as very long and large knives, as swords were defined by how they were forged. The blade extended down into a blunt tang onto which a handle was sandwiched not unlike a modern knife. Only the leading edge was sharp. Messers only came into being in the 1300s, though, so that leaves a good chunk of the time frame where a Messer (and thus weapons constructed like a Messer) wouldn't be feasible. Also I'm pretty sure Degroot Keep isn't actually medieval due to the presence of 1960s era computers in side rooms, implying it's either a front like other buildings and the mercs just "go along with" it being medieval or it's a repurposed castle used as a spy base and Soldier basically bullied his team into going along with the theme because HE thought it was medieval.

[@walugusgrudenburg3068]

From the official update: "How did the menly men of Team Fortress appear at a tenth century battlement? Simple. The Soldier angered a magician." Seems like Merasmus was involved somehow. Possibly he's the one forcing arbitrary weapon restrictions to what he believes is correct.

[@SomeFreakingCactus]

DeGroote Keep is basically a Renaissance Fair.

[@meatgrinder9506]

So the mercs are larping

[@sparkyboi4387]

@@meatgrinder9506 extreme LARPing

[@Meshric]

That story is common misinformation. If you were a king with absolute rule and you banned swords, you wouldn't just let some guy go around carrying a sword with a knife handle, that'd be ridiculous. No it had to do with productions of swords, as the manufacturing swords was monopolized by the swordsmith guild, and the knife maker guild wanted to get into that market. So they made swords with knife handles and called them knives, and it actually worked. Since these laws were more business related than anything else loopholes were easier to get through at they proved fairly popular. And the swordsmith guild eventually cut a deal with the knife making guild, to sell to them blades so they could focus more of their resources into making more handles and assembling the messers.

[@Templarfreak]

Bonesaws have been around for an insanely long time, that was basically one of the first ever medical implements ever invented and i see no reason for them to be banned. the hot hand is also decidedly not made out of rubber. it's a firefighter-type glove, so its made out of various layers of cloth, that absolutely would have been possible to make in medieval times with the technology they had. the straps on the normal bow i always assumed was some kind of black leather (as this is often what old bows _were_ bound with anyway) the crusader's crossbow is more tricky than being decidedly not medieval-friendly i think. compressed air in of itself has not really been a concept for a long time, but all the technology to make something like that was definitely there. you do not need electricity to make some kind of compressed air weapon, you can use pumps instead. candy canes are actually quite an old invention, it nearly was invented in medieval times and absolutely could have been invented earlier but just wasnt. bolts and nails have been around pretty much since machines have been around, and machines have been around for 1000s of years. this means wrenches absolutely could have existed and made sense to exist for a long time. springloaded mechanisms have also existed for a very long time, a lot longer than you would think, and absolutely could have been invented 1000s of years ago as the technology was definitely there. so i think the Big Earner has cadence to be plausible. springs are just one of those things that may have even been invented multiple times throughout history but was simply lost, as there are countless uses for them at any stage of human civilization.

[@That_One_Kobold]

Not to mention the Jarate likely has an aluminium lid and has threadings on the glass which I doubt would be possible or easy to make with medieval methods

[@Templarfreak]

@@That_One_Kobold aluminum is something that for the most part humans have only relatively very recently discovered and figured out uses for so you're probably right in that regard. that said, its very possible a different metal that has seen lots of historical use throughout a lot of human history could be used instead, being tin. tin used to fill a lot of purposes that aluminum does now today because it is also a very soft easily workable metal that's strong enough to use for simple life purposes. as for the threading themselves, while in our modern society we machine something like that for something like this, its not out of the question for threading to be made in a medieval setting and it was actually done. mostly with wood from my understanding, though.

[@SlurpyTheDog]

Medieval Mode is better defined as "melee weapons only, with a few exceptions depending on on if the other items are medieval themed, even though the melee ones aren't"

[@warpey5632]

Apparently urine is not medieval but radioactive soda is.

[@SlurpyTheDog]

@@warpey5632 WAIT WHAT LMAO

[@Underworlder5]

@@warpey5632 might be purely for balance reasons. human waste has been weaponized as long as weapons existed. people in medieval times would probably not carry jars of urine around, but dipping an arrow in urine or manure to cause infections is perfectly realistic

[@TylazerMK]

@@Underworlder5 I find it strange that they would do that for balance reasons when u consider how op heavy and demo is and how pointless engie and pyro is in that mode. Especially considering how medic gets to use his freaking crossbow and sniper can use his urine.

[@puunk_9240]

There's also a case to be made that the loose cannon would fit the time period of "medieval mode" as cannons were first invented in around the 1300s in asia iirc

[@ThePurpleUploader]

I also saw someone make the argument for the Iron Bomber being allowed because iron round bombs/landmines have been around for quite some time. I also wanted to mention the Ullapool Caber should be allowed because even though it's modelled after a stielhandgranate (Which didn't exist until WW1), it's materials could be obtained in Medieval times. The shell is made of steel, and gunpowder predates medieval times.

[@That_One_Kobold]

​@@ThePurpleUploadernot the type of gunpowder used in modern grenades, what they had back then was black powder which is far more volatile

[@BottleWaterson]

worth noting the second banana was probably a Cavendish, which was bred in the 1800s and sold after the banana wilt fungus killed most other plantation breeds in the 1950s. that goes into Looked Different catagory

[@TheLegend2T]

He didn't read up on his banana history 😔

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

The banana that artificial banana flavour is modeled after. So if you ever wondered why the flavour doesn't taste like banana. It does indeed taste like banana, just the banana you have doesn't taste like it.

[@Technotoadnotafrog]

Other than that, it's just a question of whether a banana could get to degroot keep by the time it spoiled. The only part of europe that was warm enough to grow them back then was spain

[@cactusgamingyt9960]

​@@Technotoadnotafrog harvest when green for a few more days without spoiling

[@kchgamer1788]

Actually, guns were technically a part of medieval period. Though they were very much hand cannons instead of actual guns. So maybe Demo’s gun could make it. Especially as the cannon was invented 3 centuries before the end of the medieval period

[@isaiahsimmons5776]

i think the stock would ruin that

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

@@isaiahsimmons5776just some rich inventor having a crazy idea on how to hold their gun

[@kristenburns6050]

The cannon will probably be allowed

[@Fish-man2]

I want the loose cannon

[@cactusgamingyt9960]

Demo's iconic Glock-18?

[@TalleyBellum]

I feel like the funny merasmus hammer would have hinges because I doubt Merasmus had the budget for a strong man hammer with servos

[@hatsuneblacktrousers]

your name is actually monika? cool

[@Toon.Hamstreak_658]

Budget? He borrowed money from various mafias!

[@TalleyBellum]

@@Toon.Hamstreak_658 well yeah that's bad budgeting Comerade. Never get your money from the mafia. They always have a condition. And also guns. Conditions and guns

[@Toon.Hamstreak_658]

@@TalleyBellum but they don't have bread teleported in a bucket. They're at a disadvantage.

[@asj3419]

There is no way there is a servo in that joint. It seems to just be a bolt holding the two pieces together. It seems unlikely they would even use servos in the era that TF2 takes place* since it would be easier make something almost entirely mechanical that would animate the arm (Either moving it on suspended strings from above or pushrods from below, controlled by a cam system). A servo that size would be too weak anyway. *Figuring out what technology is available is kinda hard since it keeps jumping all over the place.

[@MrHeliMan]

"...steel might be allowed depending on what kind of steel and iron would be perfectly acceptable..." Just like my mechatronics teacher always said: "Iron is not a material to make things of. Iron is just one part of steel and if you were to hold pure iron in your hand, it would fall apart and feel like a sponge."

[@warpey5632]

I have held pure iron. It does not feel like a sponge. Pure carbon however does feel like a sponge because of how surprisingly light it is.

[@alphamaccao5224]

Your mechatronics t eacher is entirely full of shit.

[@vanillaicecream2385]

@@warpey5632 you've held pure iron METAL, like how we have potassium in bananas it also exists in metal form

[@warpey5632]

@@vanillaicecream2385 Yes. Every metal obviously exists in a metallic form when pure. Metals contained in food are not pure but actually in the form of complex molecules that contain some amount of metal atoms. If you extracted those molecules from the food and broke down the molecules, you could make a small amount of pure metal.

[@Nobile-Cavaliere]

I think you'd be surprised by medieval technological capabilities. Springs, Hinges, Screws, nuts and bolts, and high-quality steel were all things that could be and were regularly manufactured in the middle ages depending on which exact period we're looking at.

[@AJSSPACEPLACE]

Let’s not forget that the mercs wouldn’t be limited to what the average person could get ahold on. The mercs are all paid by excessively rich idiots, so there’s not much limit to what they could’ve gotten ahold of

[@ashtongiertz8728]

Not to mention adhesives, including adhesive tapes.

[@HolyKhaaaaan]

This guy has an insultingly low opinion of Medieval Europeans. It really rankles my tunic.

[@milesbrown2261]

Oh my god thank you I cringed so hard when he claimed that medieval people would t understand how springs work when they’ve invented shit like trebuchets and catapults and draw bridges and ARMOR

[@royalsoldierofdrangleic4577]

Yeah And the tecnique to make full tang knives like the scout's cleaver was used in the late middle ages to make stuff like messers in germany to avoid certain weapon carrying laws

[@mr.powell8817]

Damn my man really gotta brush up on his knowledge of technology available during the early to late medieval period

[@Slashthekitsune]

I think the electrical tape on the Huntsman bow might be leather bindings, which... would be available in a medieval mode.

[@jakubpociecha8819]

The Sharpened Volcano Fragment could actually be compatible. The Aztecs have been using obsidian to make clubs called "macuahuitl" for centuries.You'd only have to tweak it a bit so that it doesn't set people on fire on hit

[@cactusgamingyt9960]

But this is a game so it must not be a direct downgrade. Fire it is. Glory to Valve!

[@ShOwOba]

6:28 "I fart in thyne general direction." Medieval speech is the most underrated, confusing, and sometimes annoying feature in TF2

[@minignoux4566]

that's a monty python reference lmao

[@pelinalwhitestrake3367]

But the mode changed "your" to "thyne".

[@GodOfGunz]

9:00 the only people who knew what a koala looks like couldent have made that bacpack

[@boid9761]

4:38 Screws did exist way back then, as a way to hold armor together. It's the monkey wrench that didn't exist

[@HolyKhaaaaan]

I mean they teach us basic things of physics in third grade, like inclined planes and screws and cranks and cams. This guy talks as if you need a doctorate in physics to comprehend them enough to use them. It's like he never cracked open an edition of The Way Things Work by David McCaulay.

[@joaoguilhermeuchoa5061]

@@HolyKhaaaaan No, it's because this understanding of physics was not widespread in medieval times.

[@runingwithanopenpoketkife]

@@joaoguilhermeuchoa5061 yes yes but they wod look difrint

[@joaoguilhermeuchoa5061]

@@runingwithanopenpoketkife They'd look very different because they're more complex to make than other basic machines like levers.

[@Kacpa2]

Springs too

[@mr.powell8817]

3:30 I always assumed that it was held together by glue (available since ancient times) and the black bands were, simply, cloth bands, which explains why they don't have phong ingame

[@cactusgamingyt9960]

phong.. funny word to say.. phong.. phong

[@johannes4123]

According to a quick google search, springs existed in the medieval times and even the bronze age In the comic 'The Naked and The Dead' Spy says the suit's cloth is made out of silk, it would certainly be tough to get silk in medieval Europe, but Europeans have bought silk from China all the way back in Roman times, so certainly not impossible It looks like the necro smasher has a hand made out of plastic, way too recent for medieval times and I thought the saxxy was made out of australium, It's hard to say when it was actually discovered in the lore, but I doubt it's any earlier than the eighteen hundreds and I'm basically certain it wasn't before Australia was first discovered by Europeans (1606)

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

And if silk imported from china is on the table, gunpowder is also possible.

[@johannes4123]

Yeah, gunpowder was definitely used in medieval European warfare, unfortunately I don't think any of the firearms used in that period are represented in TF2

[@irgendwer3610]

@@HappyBeezerStudios gunpoweder was very much medieval, the first war to use it extensively was the Hussite wars, that was before the Renaissance

[@Tramon81]

Blue team's uniforms would be ludicrously expensive in medieval times. Blue pigment was generally pretty rare and considered somewhat exotic.

[@GameyRaccoon]

Somewhat? True blue pigment was only available via lapis lazuli, a highly uncommon mineral that at the time could only be harvested from one remote mountain.

[@juliabarrow-hemmings6624]

@@GameyRaccoon I mean... You can literally grow blue dye in the form of woad and, admittedly more expensive, indigo.

[@thisnameanothername2156]

so we need to ban the entire blue team

[@anemiropenguin2241]

Calling bs. It's tradition almost as old as the Jewish tsitsit (dating back to exodus) to have one of the eight strands be blue. If every Jew could afford blue cloth It's not that expensive.

[@cactusgamingyt9960]

​@@anemiropenguin2241 Jews are the first BLU team members? That's why the Nazis (flag is mostly RED) hated them so much

[@SirNarax]

And now because it is my job as the KZbin commenter it is time to correct you. Springs are actually very old, they existed in the Bronze age and mail armor was made by creating springs first. It was just expensive so rare. The demoman's bottle and mad milk jar are likely made out of soda lime glass which is a modern. Glass is not just glass and it does differ, medieval glass was very rough. The demoman's hat (relevant to the bat outta hell) and things like the holiday punch are probably made out of some synthetic fibre like acrylic which is modern. The Claidheamh Mor is based off of a Zweihander which is post-medieval. The Banana in its' form that appears in game is a modern plant. The Buff Banner has a modern buckle on the bag and tape on the horn. (It also has ww2 emblems) Riveted handled knives did exist in the medieval period and is actually quite an old technology. The Banner used on the Conch belongs to the Takada Clan and while they did exist in the medieval period the banner probably didn't. There is no evidence that something like a Kunai existed before the modern period. It is a ninja nonsense weapon. And finally two more fun facts, screws are very old, much older than the medieval period and Katanas just barely make it into the medieval period.

[@potatokilr7789]

thank you. I noticed so many wrong statements in the video.

[@nobody5333]

Correction on the kunai While there were objects called kunai, they looked very different, with flat blades and handles, and were often used for farm work. It was occasionally used by ninja clans when improvising weapons.

[@SirNarax]

@@nobody5333 Nope. There is no evidence to suggest that was ever such thing as a Kunai. it's shape vaguely is reminiscent of a masonry tool but there is nothing, literally nothing to ever show it existing in anything but the modern period. Ninja's as a concept are also entirely fictional. They exist pretty much exclusively within folktails there is no credible literary sources or archeological findings of the Ninja nor their weaponry. Ninja simply means spy so at most they were just that. Their skills were not in martial arts or stealth but deception.

[@jazon80r13]

In the tf2 comic, the spy says that the secret to making his suit has been "Passed down by monk tailors since the seventh century" so its entirely plausible

[@fiddleriddlediddlediddle]

I love listening to a gamer rant about his lack of knowledge on the medieval era.

[@MassivePonyFan]

Then you make a video on it.

[@HolyKhaaaaan]

Hurr Durr Dark Ages and backwards cavemen pounding rocks and sucking leeches to get healthy because not modern hurp durp

[@HolyKhaaaaan]

In all seriousness he literally said you had to have a modern understanding of chemistry to understand what stickiness is. He had better be shitposting.

[@thewisenoodle1116]

​@@HolyKhaaaaan The earliest human use of adhesive-like substances was approximately 200,000 years ago, when Neanderthals produced tar from the dry distillation of birch bark for use in binding stone tools to wooden handles. thank you wikipedia.

[@vanillaicecream2385]

@@HolyKhaaaaan hmmm yes, springs didn't exist...... spring steel pulled into wires coiled up and placed into helmet face plate latch buttons dont exist either

[@Slaanash]

4:55 the sandman has tape on it too, no?

[@WednesdayMan]

well the sharp dresser is the Hidden blade from Assassin's Creed, and Assassin's Creed 1 follows desmond going through the memories of his ancestor Altair in the year 1191, while the sharp dresser is based on Ezio's hidden blade which is a repaired version of Giovanni Auditoire's hidden blade, considering this Ezio's repaired hidden blade uses a design made by Altair therefore it definitely passes in the medieval mode going off of the continuity of the weapon from the game of origin. However the Sharp Dresser's description lists it as a 15th century weapon in TF2

[@thenexus8384]

And since people have made working hidden blades it should be allowed Yeah they're made with modern materials and designs but still

[@johnsmith9165]

The bottle has a machine-printed label, so it's out. The Tide Turner is based on an 18th-century ship's wheel that only works with a fairly complex system of pulleys that was nowhere near invention in the medieval period, so it's out. The stock fists appear to have rubber gloves, though it's possible they could be leather, so they're undetermined. The Boston Basher is in the same category as the Sandman- there's nothing preventing it from being made, but it's still clearly a baseball bat rather than just a generic club, so it's based on a non-existent sport. The Second Banana isn't impossible for the time (unless it's assumed to be a modern Cavendish banana, a cultivar that didn't exist yet), but it is impossible for the place, as Scotland (the official location of the only official medieval mode map) doesn't have the climate to grow them, greenhouses hadn't been invented yet, and transporting them from anywhere that can before they rot requires either refrigeration, powered vehicles, or both.

[@GameyRaccoon]

TF2 takes place in the 1960s, before Cavendish Bananas replaced other varieties. It's also worth mentioning that Europe still wouldn't have had access to Bananas because refrigeration had to be invented. Bananas only became a global food after the invention of refrigeration. Similarly, the Sandvich has tomatoes, which didn't enter the European pallet until after the Columbian Exchange. The dalokahs bar is then also out, because Europeans didn't have cocoa yet, as well as the fact it has a post-industrial revolution aluminium wrapper.

[@GameyRaccoon]

Btw im not correcting you or anything, just adding on in case anyone reads the thread :P

[@cactusgamingyt9960]

The degroots are just very good at writing consistently so bottles are allowed. Fool! Find the gargoyle!

[@JazzyDeetective]

9:28 Spy's suit is made of silk or something if I recall correctly. It was confirmed in Mann Co. No More #6. (EDIT: Silkworm Silk to be specific)

[@Great_Blue]

His tie is made of silk, but the rest of his suit (the parts on the Unarmed Combat) is unknown.

[@JazzyDeetective]

@@Great_Blue It especifically states that the coat is made of silkworm silk.

[@Great_Blue]

@@JazzyDeetective Oh, I'll need to read the comics again. I was going off the voice line that's said when you tie a competitive match.

[@yerfriendlyneighborhoodsco3337]

@@Great_Blue for the full line: "Bushman, this is a $10,000 custom-tailored Louis Crabbermache jacket. The cloth is from silkworms raised at a suit microfarm in Tuscany, from a secret pattern passed down by monk tailors since the seventh century."

[@davisdf3064]

@@yerfriendlyneighborhoodsco3337 Hmmm I don't think those types of suit existed in medieval times

[@demi-femme4821]

Bushman, Spy's suit is a $10,000 dollar custom-tailored Louis Crabbmarché jacket. The cloth is from silkworms raised at a suit microfarm in Tuscany, from a secret pattern passed down by monk tailors since the seventh century. So it's perfectly legal.

[@badzombies2003]

I think we all want medieval mode compatible weapons for every class

[@jerma984]

That’s just cp_gravelpit with extra steps

[@cyl_genderfluid-furry]

Because of spy's invisibility, if spy is a regular human then I think his suit requires electricity, and wiring, and therefore the spy should entirely be banned from medieval mode.

[@genghisdingus]

2:05 not entirely true. In medieval times they would salvage aluminum from meteorites. Scout's bat is possible it would just be significantly more valuable than a bat made of gold.

[@Underworlder5]

in other words, someone in the medieval era could find and refine aluminium, but would probably not make a bludgeon out of it

[@HolyKhaaaaan]

If I'm not mistaken, Napoleon ate at a certain dinner using aluminium silverware and they were considered royally precious. I forget exactly what the reference was...

[@arturjogi2667]

@@HolyKhaaaaan napoleon lived in the 18th century bro

[@arturjogi2667]

I can't find anything saying that aluminum was salvaged from meteorites. Aluminum was only theorised to exist since the 16th century, and was only isolated in the 1800s.

[@Zanvulf]

And remember piss was not in medieval time but bonk atomic punch was

[@ShadowMageAlpha]

I'm relatively sure the Loose Cannon would also be viable in a "historical" medieval mode as there have been cannons since pretty much the existence of gunpowder. Apparently, there have even been handheld variants as early as 1300 so while it would intensely impractical and infinitely slower to reload, it could exist. Also, your reasoning for the Big Earning not existing because not having knowledge of springs is completely off base. Springs have existed since pre-history (as a bow is nothing but an 'oddly' shaped spring). But even if we were assuming a more "traditional" spring, they apparently existed in the 15th century (so 1400's) which falls within the time period of medieval. As such, the Big Earner would more accurately have fallen into the "possible" category, although it would have been anywhere near as sleek or small and the craftsmanship would have likely rendered it unsuable due to brittle parts.

[@kimgkomg]

I don't think they had portable cannons

[@scoutszewc8989]

@@kimgkomg The handheld cannon was invented by the Chinese in the 13th century and is the first instance of a firearm in human history. While the handheld cannon is slimmer and longer than the loose cannon, it’s possible someone could have made a variation similar to the tf2 weapon

[@kimgkomg]

@@scoutszewc8989 definitely not one that can hold up to 4 cannonballs

[@SomeFreakingCactus]

All-in-all, The Loose Cannon is a weapon whose basic components could have been seen in 13th century China, and soon thereafter in Europe. That is, it would have been possible for someone to have put a handheld, steel-cased “thunder-crash bomb” into a shoulder-mounted “hand cannon” and fired it at a knight in shining armor. There’s no record (that I know of ) of anyone attempting such a thing, but it would be a matter of putting two-and-two together. Of course, the basic concepts are even older. “Portable fire lances” were used in 10th century China, and the Greeks had handheld “Greek fire” bombs in the 8th century. All-in-all, I’d put the Loose Cannon at “could exist but didn’t historically.” For the cannon itself and its bombs separately, they would be “medieval compatible.”

[@edward9487]

*laughs in physics and craftsmanship required to make such knives not existing*

[@metallord6960]

I still love how you can use the invisible watches but not the jarate.

[@icetide9411]

"Ignoring the fact that Abraham Lincoln invented rocket jumping"

[@wingedbluj1674]

Lincoln perfected rocket jumping, but he invented the stairs

[@aaronking2020]

@@wingedbluj1674 Abraham Lincoln was the first guy to crouch while rocket jumping

[@Sinstarclair]

Abe Lincoln invented the stairs because it's the only way to get up the second floor without rocket jumping

[@cyborgste]

Also I don't know much about historical food storage. But I am sure I heard somewhere that you can still "refrigerate" items without power. If memory serves me correctly, they used ice really deep in the ground to keep things cool. This might not be a thing though around mediaeval times.

[@ethandavis7310]

Ik this comment is a year old but I also want to add: The tomato and the olive are native to completely different regions of the world that didn't have any trade whatsoever during medieval times. So refrigeration isn't an issue, but getting an olive onto the same continent as a tomato is

[@cactusgamingyt9960]

​@@ethandavis7310 olive is Mediterranean you foolish little fool muahaha

[@zappodude7591]

5:31 What? People have been riveting grip plates onto blades since the bronze age. Look up Ewart Park swords.

[@IkeFanBoy64]

The Axtinguisher would probably be prohibited since barbed wire wasn't a thing until the late 1800s.

[@NewbieObi]

2:50 The knowledge of the physics of springs did exist in the medieval period. Heck before the medieval period, the Romans also used spring mechanisms like in the roman Cheiroballistra. So I believe that it would be plausible to make something similar to the Big Earner in the medieval times if they wanted to.

[@AJSSPACEPLACE]

Even metal springs could and did exist at the time. But engineering a spring actually isn’t the biggest issue. The FAR bigger issue is how long it took people to find a steel alloy that not only worked for tiny springs, but did so without being too brittle.

[@cactusgamingyt9960]

Wrong the Romans hated springs. In their Roman mythology Tartarus was renamed to Springland because they hated those INFERNAL LITTLE COILS OF HELLISH METAL

[@Swagpion]

Yeah, but tiny springs are harder.

[@Yout-f7m]

great blue when he sees the tiniest hint of rubber in a weapon (completely irrelevant detail)

[@blundering.]

funnily enough, degroot keep is hinted to be in tf2's modern day, with tire tracks to blue spawn, and a computer model made for the map

[@SpahGaming]

"modern"

[@sydssolanumsamsys]

@@SpahGaming what?

[@SpahGaming]

@@sydssolanumsamsys idfk it was 9 months ago, but judging by the original comment's "(edited)" before it was edited, i think i was pointing out that "modern" would imply real modern day, but tf2 takes place in 1969 or '70. 9 months ago, he hadn't clarified " tf2's modern day". you can even see he copy pasted that later, given how theres a double space between "in" and "tf2"

[@sydssolanumsamsys]

@@SpahGaming ah

[@dough3376]

If medieval mode takes place in anywhere besides the American continent, I would say that the sandvich wouldn't be allowed. To my understanding tomatoes are a crop native to the American continent, which wasn't colonized until the early 1600's and therefore wouldn't take place in any Eastern cooking. Granted historical evidence of this is fuzzy, so there might have been tomatoes in the east before the colonization of America.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Nope, you're correctly right. And it took people in europe a while to learn that green parts of nightshades are usually poisonous.

[@GameyRaccoon]

America was colonized beginning in the 1500s...

[@jilly3038]

09:35 I'd argue the sandvich wouldn't be possible by typical medieval standards. Tomatoes were only discovered around the 16th century in South America. As well as the white bread being mostly reserved for the wealthy until around the 19th century due to the (at the time) intensive labor required to produce white bread. Though it was certainly possible. But the tomatoes are right out for medieval times.

[@nmmeswey3584]

its not like the Americas where invented in the 16th century tho, it would be perfectly possible for someone to make a cross continent trip to gather tomaotes

[@isaiahsimmons5776]

it a native sandwich

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

@@nmmeswey3584 More like a cross ocean trip.

[@ScampiTheSighted]

@@nmmeswey3584 They would have to bring tomato seeds back to Europe, since there's no way the rest of the sandvich ingredients wouldn't spoil over the course of a voyage

[@GameyRaccoon]

@@nmmeswey3584 No. Columbus is so important partially because when he made his trip, European shipbuilding and navigation techniques had JUST reached the point for the trip to be feasible. Also yes he obviously didn't discover the New World first. But he did discover it in the way you mean when you say "I discovered this band in high school." The columbian exchange and colonization of the new world are some of the most important things that have happened to humans in human history. It makes perfect sense to mark Columbus's voyage as a watershed moment.

[@mac4491]

Holy mackerel could be medieval friendly if you believe that it is rope tied around it and not a rubber band.

[@ft_lesserchungus1192]

2:22 in medieval mode, those could be rubber 2:37 that could be twine 3:26 could be cloth or adhered leather 4:25 riding crops? what abt with horses? 9:30 it's silk

[@matthewcharchar8759]

I swear this sounds like Scott the Woz, not just in voice, but also in structure and style

[@darkranger116]

I've always thought medieval mode was valves way of telling everyone they really only made the game for the demoman class and everyone else is just along for the ride.

[@mothichorror446]

This game features 3 classes: Demoman, for those who want to play the game (demoknight etc.) Medic, for those who want to play the game but aren't mannly enough for Demoman (why they get the crossbow) Sniper, for those who want to give the Demoman players something to aim at (huntsman huntsman huntsman)

[@Underworlder5]

@@mothichorror446 and pyros who want to complete the hot hand contract

[@turkishjanitor3666]

@@mothichorror446 don't forget these fucking trickstabbing Spies

[@VeryPeeved]

@@mothichorror446 And spies, for those who don't want to play the game but also don't want other people to either.

[@xess4168]

I would disagree with the Sandvich being on "Cannot be determined" for the fact it has one ingredient that did not exist in Medieval Europe, Asia, or Africa. The ingredient being the Tomato, the tomato did not enter the Old World until the discovery of the Americas and after the conquistadores conquered the Aztecs and the earliest that the tomato shows up in European Literature is in 1544 by an Italian physician named Pietro Andrea Mattioli, but it could have been brought back even earlier by Hernan Cortes by 1521. While yes a tomato existed during the Medieval period of Europe, no clergy, nobility, or medieval peasant would even know what America or even less, a tomato was. If you just remove the tomato, it is possible that the sandvich could exist in the medieval period, even with cold meat as you could just place the meat on ice or snow to keep it cold. So I would place the sandvich, since it has tomatoes, on the "Could not exist".

[@llmkursk8254]

The Cozy Camper should be banned on the grounds that the Jarate is banned.

[@fisherwasheretoo]

I remember from the old TF comics that Spy's coat is made of silkworm silk, which you could technically make with medieval tech.

[@listertf2]

fun fact: degroot keep doesnt take place in the past but in modern day, there are hidden rooms with computers :)

[@edward9487]

THE SOLDIER PISSED OFF A WIZARD, ACTUALLY

[@SpahGaming]

"modern"

[@thenexus8384]

@@drecognis the degroot's manor actually not just demo's

[@abhaybhatt4286]

It's also got a ticket booth. It's probably just a fake medieval theme park.

[@randomtexanguy9563]

ah yes, 70's is modern day

[@themaddoctor1741]

1:58 Marie Curie discovered radiation. She also discovered dying of radiation

[@cactusgamingyt9960]

this comment makes me want to drink molten aluminium and make "anthill art" of my digestive tract (in my will they must cut me open and extract the aluminium cast)

[@Awesomeness-iz3dh]

Jarate is a registered Mann Co. trademark and product created relatively recently at the time the base game takes place in, hence why it isn't allowed. Additionally, I think the literal computers sitting around behind blocked off doors would also be banned if historical accuracy were the goal.

[@ta1708]

he said he doesnt base the decisions of off the tf2 universe, so its just a jar of piss. Perfectly acceptable.

[@gryphonbotha1880]

2:58 It depends on what you define as the Medieval Period, but if you include part of the Renaissance and/ or Early Modern period springs may have actually been possible... just really, really expensive. EDIT: They definitely did have springs in the late 15th Century - it was used as a part for pistols 4:38 Also, screws did exist. They were just expensive, and were more commonly a part of more advanced crossbow or stonebow models.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Yup. Adhesives and springs are there. As are all weapons that use gunpowder (but not modern smokeless powder) But the Sandvich with it's tomatoes has to go.

[@Pinion396]

What about the Loose Cannon? Cannons, gunpowder and iron-sphere bombs are all mideval weapons, even if they're not commonly thought of.

[@mr.kenway4554]

Think he’s talking about before the 17th century

[@Impaleify]

@@mr.kenway4554 The 12th century definitely checks out then. Though probably the 14th for Demo's cannon.

[@euugh8877]

While gunpowder existed in the medieval times, it was only found in China, and since medieval mode is European themed... oh wait. Katanas exist. Well fuck me then.

[@techpriest5452]

​@@euugh8877gunpowder was invented in china during 10th century and was widely used in midle east by 12th and during 13th century it was already in europe.

[@segadoeswhatnintendont]

Golf is an ancient scottish sport, it would be the perfect medival weapon

[@sword9537]

Hi there! Id like to add a little note about the Kunai, where it would be moved to the “different design” tier, as that design of kunai was invented through the ninja craze of the 80s. Although its possible for something like the Kunai in tf2 to exist in that period, it would be extremely wasteful as the kunai was usually more of a miniature shovel than the knife modern media depicts it as

[@DarkSoSpooky]

Great comment but small correction: While yes, the Conniver's Kunai is based on newer kunai designs, kunai were still ninja weapons. The kunai, along with many other ninja weapons were based off of farming tools, and so while they were NOT throwing knives, they were still somewhat used as a multipurpose ninja tool such as to attach to arrows or as a shiv (exactly what spy does with it in-game).

[@somefancycashews4418]

Jarate is *not a normal jar of piss,* and is thus certified *non-medieval* because it was invented in the mid-1900s by Saxton Hale, and requires the consumption of Saxton Hale's Jarate Pills (which triple the size of your kidneys) to produce. See the comic The Insult that made a Jarate Master out of Sniper.

[@cryojack1337]

Very much enjoyed this video as I have actually wondered what could be legitimate, and if my theory of Jarate being possible, which I guess it could. Video Idea: Hats and other cosmetic item that would (and theoretically could) be in historically accurate medieval mode (maybe categorize by class or just in parts)

[@VestedUTuber]

Just a correction, having the blade of a knife extend into the handle was actually a thing in medieval designs, just not in the way it's shown. That portion of the blade is called the tang, and it's actually necessary to put the entire hilt assembly on the blade.

[@brock2460]

I think the fists of steel could fit in, just thing as the inside of the glove as being made of a leathery material

[@thepixelstash3078]

About the jarate: technically it could be allowed but the glass of the jar it is housed in is clear and unblemished, while most glass in the medieval era would be impure semitransparent glass of inconsistent makeup (air bubbles, discoloration from foreign material, etc.) . So it is technically possible, but for the era, the glass is scarily well made if it's purpose is just for housing piss.

[@AdmiralButtermuffins]

Fun facts: the jarate isn’t allowed in medieval mode but the cozy camper is, although the camper including jarate

[@grooverchan1600]

Spy’s suit would be allowed as he says in the comics it’s made by a pattern invented by Taylor monks in the 12th century

[@ordinary_magician]

Jarate isn’t allowed in medieval mode? I didn’t know that, I always use the Razorback

[@kimgkomg]

Jarate isn't allowed because it would make sniper into the only worthwhile class, since he already has the best ranged option, would be able to clear point C by marking the entire enemy team, and has the strongest melee with the jarate bushwhacka combo

[@flying_gorilla8069]

@@kimgkomg you think VALVe cares about balance?

[@c0baltl1ghtn1ng]

@@flying_gorilla8069 They have in-game tips which actually encourages jarate-bushwhacka.

[@BadBomb555]

Razorback is only usable if the enemy team has annoying Spies. Darwing Danger Shield can prevent you from dying to fire arrows or getting lit by Volcano Fragment. Cozy Camper is in generally a good choice to heal yourself without consistently needing Medics or med kits.

[@sorrow573]

"Babe use a rubber" 2:42

[@andyfriederichsen]

8:40 Wait, even our military's HELMETS had the designation M1 during World War 2!?

[@isaiahsimmons5776]

what does m1 mean lol

[@andyfriederichsen]

@@isaiahsimmons5776 It's a military designation. It's probably short for "Model 1", kind of like how military weapons during the 1800s were designated "Model (name of year adopted here)".

[@rygktransrights]

The reason you can’t have jarate in the game is because Saxton Hale wasn’t around yet so he couldn’t have invented the jarate pills needed to make piss that’s as volatile as jarate.

[@radioactivemango2029]

Spy casually goes invisible in 900 bc

[@thenexus8384]

And disguises with a machine that makes him look like who he's disguised as

[@Fytrzaczek21]

900 bc isn't medival, 900 AD is

[@taranciucgabrielradu]

Jarate: no Mad Milk: yes Medieval times encourage waste more than it encourages reuse

[@carolinapacheco8498]

5:52 oh, so that is why is called "american fist" in spanish

[@dogemaster9676]

the second banana actually couldn't exist, it's modeled after a modern banana which are heavily genetically modified

[@secretlyaslug2325]

This was weirdly entertaining. Solidly kept my intrest for 11 minutes with not swapping tabs. These kinds of history + video game things always scratch a specific itch for me.

[@ashtongiertz8728]

Then check out Shadiversity. He's a KZbin historian who, unlike Great Blue, actually knows what was and wasn't around during the medieval era.

[@HolyKhaaaaan]

The history in it is atrocious. It assumes that anybody before modern industrial standards was a caveman who built his house out of mud and threw rocks at his neighbor.

[@redamerican5830]

1:10 Master chief. Mind telling me what your doing in tf2 x10 midevil mode? Sir. Caping last.

[@ArgetKnight]

Actually, I'm pretty sure the Jarate wouldn't be allowed, since it's stored on a mason jar which has an aluminum screwable cap.

[@boxcarz]

Mason jar caps are always made of steel, or at least I've never seen a single aluminum mason jar lid in my lifetime, which is very unlikely.

[@ArgetKnight]

@@boxcarz Whaaat. I swear I've handled jars with caps so flimsy that they would bend if you looked at them the wrong way

[@ashtongiertz8728]

@@ArgetKnight that's because they're thin.

[@louisgreen3071]

Spy's suit is made out of a technique dating back to the 5th century according to the comics

[@IMP-vi6je]

7:15 source :trust me bro

[@GaminGuy_]

9:33 confirmed by the comics, spy’s suit is made out of silk, in a pattern that had been passed down since the seventh century. so the unarmed combat would definitely work in medieval mode

[@ihavealifeyaknow6827]

5:37 That is not true. There was a sword called the messer, which used that style of handle construction.

[@acee555]

9:32 Last time I checked, in the comics spy states that his suit was made with a process of weaving silkworm silk, don't know if they could've done that it medieval times but that's its material

[@randomtexanguy9563]

since the 7th century

[@GameyRaccoon]

Literally one of the first things humans discovered lol.

[@atoaster9854]

Isn't spy's suit made from silkworm silk?

[@mee091000]

From a recipe that is has been down since the 7th Century no less

[@erickmassa7253]

9:33 spy suits material was actually revealed in the comics and its silk

[@entothechesnautknight1762]

Actually, mailboxes in some form have existed for centuries, it's just they were designed in a way that seems alien to modern humans. Still, though, the concept was around, so I think the postal pummeler gets a pass with the rest of the modern designs of ancient concepts. Also, Folding knives have 100% been around for centuries, they only required some basic levers and can be hidden/disguised very well, making them perfect for espionage. That's probably the reason your research was so inconsistent; since they were still time consuming to make, so only the good spies and assassins got them, and the governments that used them kept it hush hush to keep others from using it on them. That being said... I don't know if the blades on them could be that size back then, as the tools were made for stealth, and getting the tight holes in the handle for the knife to fit into seems extra difficult without modern power tools.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

I feel like it comes down to how well the hand drill works.

[@medic6994]

Spy’s suit is, and I quote, “A 10,000 Custom-Tailored Louis Crabbemarchē jacket. The cloth is from silkworms raised in a suit microfarm in Tuscany, from a secret pattern passed down by monk tailors since the seventh century”. So an early version of it could exist assuming you don’t mean the beginning few centuries of the Middle Ages. This is revealed in the tf2 comic “The Naked and the Dead”

[@oilfoil3866]

9:14 Australia was "founded" in the late 18th century, though ill concede with the flag

[@carking0138]

Hand Cannons have existed since at least 1250 in the medieval age.