Green Lantern PROBLEM in James Gunn's DCU...

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@Glacial7
@Glacial7 10 күн бұрын
green lantern could legitimately be the focus for a whole cinematic universe on its own imo
@allyoucansee590
@allyoucansee590 10 күн бұрын
@@Glacial7 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 finally somebody gets it
@baki484
@baki484 6 күн бұрын
Superframe made me realize that but yeah lantern lore is deep. These guys can have their own Starwars saga.
@SpammytheHedgehog
@SpammytheHedgehog 10 күн бұрын
If the 2011 live action Green Lantern was successful, then I don't think we would've gotten a live action Deadpool trilogy.
@ggt47
@ggt47 10 күн бұрын
No,no they have a point.
@Antiprincipl3
@Antiprincipl3 10 күн бұрын
You're here too?
@jackklapman5327
@jackklapman5327 10 күн бұрын
Yk what good point 😊
@Mybasedworld
@Mybasedworld 10 күн бұрын
@@Antiprincipl3what
@williamdaviddiazcuchimaque7511
@williamdaviddiazcuchimaque7511 10 күн бұрын
Pero si una trilogía de green lantern y posiblemente también una de flash
@Iginore
@Iginore 10 күн бұрын
Green Lantern has one of the coolest quote "In brightest day, in blackest night, No evil shall escape my sight. Let all who worship evil's might, Beware my power, Green Lantern's light!
@theanimekid7839
@theanimekid7839 10 күн бұрын
"Beware my power, b****!"-John Stuart
@kachidike7036
@kachidike7036 9 күн бұрын
I'm sorry but its not really a quote. its more of a necessary oath
@tonyantonellis9983
@tonyantonellis9983 8 күн бұрын
It is more than quote. It is an oath of inspiration and power.
@bulletxwound3559
@bulletxwound3559 10 күн бұрын
The only reason most people don't want Tom king attached to a green lantern project is, because that mf hates Hal. He writes him terribly, so old ass Hal and Tom king don't really give me confidence in a good adaptation.
@sadhydra
@sadhydra 10 күн бұрын
He's also a pretty bad writer just in general.
@BATMAN-zw8nf
@BATMAN-zw8nf 10 күн бұрын
He did write the green lantern darkseid war special which was actually really good
@ryandolan5146
@ryandolan5146 8 күн бұрын
To each their own but I actually really enjoyed some of Tom Kings miniseries like Mister Miracle, The Vision, and Strange Adventures. Mister Miracle being my favorite of them all. Don’t get me wrong I can see how his stories aren’t for everyone, his dialogue is sometimes worded very weirdly and I find myself having to read some conversations twice. ( also yeah I think his run on Batman with Gotham and Gotham Girl was pretty wack )
@jonathananderson5990
@jonathananderson5990 8 күн бұрын
​@@ryandolan5146I remember liking his Vision mini-series, and being a bit ambivalent about his Omega Men story. But I read Strange Adventures a few months ago, and man that was some depressing stuff. Want to see Adam Strange at his lowest? Look no further. He seems to be a writer that puts themes first, ahead of characters and even plot. So prior characterization is largely ignored and plots seem a bit contrived, at least from what little I've read.
@ryandolan5146
@ryandolan5146 8 күн бұрын
@ You explained it better than I ever could ! I guess you could say I enjoy the heavy themes of his mini series but do acknowledge none of them are perfect.
@bcray2548
@bcray2548 10 күн бұрын
Green Lantern: First Flight (2009) was actually one of the first movies that made me fall in love with DC along with Wonder Woman (2009). I am pleading for justice for these characters for real and the rest of the DC universe
@mariuspatrick4524
@mariuspatrick4524 10 күн бұрын
0:50 "why are we starting with a group nobody cares about" these are the same people who had no idea who iron man was until his movie came and made him so popular.
@cahe6161
@cahe6161 10 күн бұрын
@@mariuspatrick4524 Speak for yourself.
@painvillegaming4119
@painvillegaming4119 10 күн бұрын
@@cahe6161i mean yeah Stark wasn't a major play until then movie He made cameos in The Fantastic 4 and Spiderman shows but that it
@mantraki
@mantraki 10 күн бұрын
​@@painvillegaming4119I think he had only one series, the one with the I. am. iron man intro but that wasn't nearly as popular as xmen or the spiderman series
@Kalel2.0
@Kalel2.0 10 күн бұрын
@@mariuspatrick4524 I'd say hardcore comic book fans and people with a general deep understanding of Superheroes knew who Iron Man was just not the casual audience who make up the majority
@cahe6161
@cahe6161 10 күн бұрын
@@painvillegaming4119 He also had a show, appearances in videogames, the Ultimate Avengers animated movies, and him and The Avengers were always major players in the comics.
@yourarchnemesis8453
@yourarchnemesis8453 10 күн бұрын
GL lore has so much rich potential. Like if done properly you can have the buildup to Blackest Night be like Infnity War/Endgame with some horror elements mixed in.
@Kalel2.0
@Kalel2.0 10 күн бұрын
They'd also need to kill off major and minor characters and keep them dead for long enough so when they are revived as Black Zombie Lanterns it'll have weight and raise stakes
@Dinoman-mo7mt
@Dinoman-mo7mt 10 күн бұрын
Depends on how accurate you want it to be. You could just have zombies and maybe a few characters we cared about or you could have a Black Lantern Justice League like the comic​@@Kalel2.0
@Kalel2.0
@Kalel2.0 10 күн бұрын
@@Dinoman-mo7mt That's why like I said major characters would need to be killed off like Batman,Superman etc to raise the stakes like in the comic while certain ones who play a big part in the story like Hal(Of course),Barry,Diana,Ray and Mera are kept alive
@commentor2058-p4b
@commentor2058-p4b 10 күн бұрын
It's kinda sad that we'll never see a proper prime Hal Jordan in live action. I think Kyle Chandler will do a good job but he's clearly not going to be the main Green Lantern.
@tahachajri8058
@tahachajri8058 10 күн бұрын
You can definitely have an origin story he just won’t be young in lanterns idk why y’all say this shit
@dialexthesmoreeater7687
@dialexthesmoreeater7687 10 күн бұрын
​​@@tahachajri8058because he wants a prime hal jordan in live, literally the first sentence in the comment dewd
@Connor-fr5cn
@Connor-fr5cn 10 күн бұрын
​@tahachajri8058 cause people want to see Hal interact with the JL we know and love. An older Hal with a young JL means we aren't gonna see him in his prime with the League or characters that are just starting out. 30 year old Clark and 60 year old Hal doesn't feel right
@Devilindisguise-k1o
@Devilindisguise-k1o 9 күн бұрын
@@Connor-fr5cnonly you racist incels want that lol
@Iginore
@Iginore 5 күн бұрын
bro be optimistic Hal Jordan’s best comic book stories happened when he was older,
@zeshanwattoo1046
@zeshanwattoo1046 10 күн бұрын
This Hal Jordan disrespect needs to end
@yarc9
@yarc9 10 күн бұрын
They can send Hal Jordan too space
@lifewitmari2236
@lifewitmari2236 10 күн бұрын
Bro frr
@allyoucansee590
@allyoucansee590 10 күн бұрын
@@zeshanwattoo1046 bro, if they were smart about using both green lanterns and a better more efficient way that would satisfy the fandom bro just let Jordan be in space with the Green Lantern and let John Stewart be on earth with the justice league. You killed two birds with one stone and you also satisfied the fans , it’s a big win. This grounded bullshit is gonna kill the show before it even comes out.
@serwinzzalot9989
@serwinzzalot9989 9 күн бұрын
Hal Jordan was the best of us as earthlings. his story arc is tragic. Jon Stewart carries the respect of Earth throughout the universe
@SpammytheHedgehog
@SpammytheHedgehog 10 күн бұрын
I hope that Warner Bros. get the Green Lantern right this time.
@Ice-tc5vn
@Ice-tc5vn 7 күн бұрын
The casting suggests otherwise
@DigoTP_
@DigoTP_ 6 күн бұрын
DC Studios*, Warner Bros dont make the calls anymore
@Ashkenightcrawler
@Ashkenightcrawler 10 күн бұрын
Tom king has a habit of writing hal Jordan badly so I’m terrified
@painvillegaming4119
@painvillegaming4119 10 күн бұрын
We don't talk about the gift Also hopefully the others writers keep him in check
@Kalel2.0
@Kalel2.0 10 күн бұрын
@@Ashkenightcrawler I trust Gunn but I'm surprised they didnt get Geoff Jones,Peter Tomasi or Robert Venditti in the writers room for this show as they wrote the best Lantern stuff
@NotCharAznable
@NotCharAznable 10 күн бұрын
I don’t trust anything he writes after Heroes in Crisis. Keep him on a leash at the very least.
@Kalel2.0
@Kalel2.0 10 күн бұрын
@@NotCharAznable He's written some great stuff like Woman of Tommorow,Mister Miracle,Vision and few stuff from his Batman run(Even tho it's not all great)however I agree Heroes in Crisis was straight up character assassination for Wally
@theanimekid7839
@theanimekid7839 10 күн бұрын
As long as he doesn't sleep with that teen alien girl, I can live with it being mediocre.
@ishaanbhattacharya9405
@ishaanbhattacharya9405 10 күн бұрын
Will hal jordan suck in lanterns? Probably not But him being an old man makes me less interested than before This was my most anticipated DCU project along with superman, now I'm not that hyped anymore
@joshwells7752
@joshwells7752 10 күн бұрын
Facts said the same got Superman with a diaper on Hal Jordan is a old ass man
@DavidMartinez-ce3lp
@DavidMartinez-ce3lp 9 күн бұрын
They're gonna kill off Hal Jordan aren't they?
@crazy_leonean
@crazy_leonean 8 күн бұрын
Yep
@FingerGamers3
@FingerGamers3 10 күн бұрын
As a GL fan i want to be optimistic but the more i hear about this show the less excited i am. First the old man Hal jordan i don’t like because hal has never done justice in live action and in the public eye is a joke thanks to the 2011 movie and the jokes in deadpool, he needs to be done right but considering he will be played by an older guy and it was reported that kyle contract only includes the first season only it doesn’t look good sadly, (also no carol ferris apparently) Hal and John should never have a 30 year gap between each other. Second it being grounded, i understand the budget may be limited but at the same time it doesn’t interest me watching a “realistic” take on the green lanterns when the sci-fi elements is what makes me attracted to the comics. My perfect take on a lantern show would have Hal, guy, john, and kyle all together and maybe you can bring in simon baz and jessica cruz in at the some point. The whole there can only be one main green lantern thing has always been so stupid to me. We should have them all.
@BusterBarnes
@BusterBarnes 10 күн бұрын
@FingerGamers3 I have hope because we're seeing Guy Gardner in Superman flying around creating constructs. If Hal and John didn't do the same then it'd make not sense
@FingerGamers3
@FingerGamers3 10 күн бұрын
@@BusterBarnes I wouldn’t be surprised at this point if all they do is shoot lasers and make shields like john did in the dcau
@allyoucansee590
@allyoucansee590 10 күн бұрын
@@BusterBarnes bro, that is a fucking problem in itself. James gun is only good at making an ensemble movie. He can never make a movie focusing on one person which is pretty fucking pathetic. That’s why he put all those characters in Superman’s movie because he had nothing interesting to put in the movie besides other characters who we really don’t even care for honestly. I mean, he could’ve had the Trinity show up. But hawk girl, Mr. terrific guy Gardner, bro nobody asked for that shit. We just want a Superman movie introduce us to your Superman. Introduce us to some fire ass villains. You could’ve done Lexa bizarro and goddamn parasite fucking anybody, bro. Maybe if you introduce a Martian Manhunter in the Superman movie that would make sense that would make a lot of sense and just give Martian Manhunter the origins that he’s the last green Martian to his knowledge and boom you introduce to very pivotal characters, one of which people have been dying in thirsting to see in live action. I mean, bro that’s so much better that they could’ve done and they’re getting paid millions, while there’s people on KZbin who are making way better synopsis and what if for the series and these movies. It just sucks, bro.
@allyoucansee590
@allyoucansee590 10 күн бұрын
@@FingerGamers3 he already said no constructs
@FingerGamers3
@FingerGamers3 9 күн бұрын
@@allyoucansee590 Where? and if he did then that’s horrible
@danielendless
@danielendless 10 күн бұрын
Remember when Tom King had Catwoman solo 3 Flash characters with one kick. Oh yeah he's about to write peak💀
@Time_Lantern_Gameplay
@Time_Lantern_Gameplay 8 күн бұрын
I cant unsee it no more
@johnjordan211
@johnjordan211 8 күн бұрын
Lmao they were eall mind controlled by poison ivy why are you guys so upset
@saviletotorres143
@saviletotorres143 10 күн бұрын
I think it's fair to mention that James Gunn doesn't usually adapt many of the characters well. I can't say about his other films but Guardians of the Galaxy are very different from the characters he was adapting. It is clear that Gunn read the comics but when he makes his adaptations it seems that he is willing to vary some characters quite a bit for the adaptation. We will see what he will do in the DCU
@ghostrouxinol6169
@ghostrouxinol6169 10 күн бұрын
I hope that DC finally makes Ryan Reynolds shut up about Green Lantern. The joke was over a long time ago.
@DavidMartinez-ce3lp
@DavidMartinez-ce3lp 9 күн бұрын
Agreed, it's not funny and it's not even the worst movie ever. It was just disappointing
@ghostrouxinol6169
@ghostrouxinol6169 9 күн бұрын
​@@DavidMartinez-ce3lpI wouldn't even say Green Lantern isnt even the worst Ryan Reynolds' movie. It just feels unnecessary mean or trying to feed the stupid DC vs Marvel feud.
@Kalel2.0
@Kalel2.0 9 күн бұрын
@@ghostrouxinol6169 In all fairness it's a pretty crappy movie that deserves all the hate it gets in my opinion as it's one of the reasons the Green Lantern Corps have benched for 14 years
@ghostrouxinol6169
@ghostrouxinol6169 9 күн бұрын
@Kalel2.0 I amn't saying Green Lantern was a good movie. I just like how Ryan keeps making jokes about when it'snt even something it didnt stuck even as meme. The weirdest part is that Ryan has been in worst movies than Green Lantern. It'snt the point that he is a serious actor now and prestige one.
@Kalel2.0
@Kalel2.0 9 күн бұрын
@@ghostrouxinol6169 I get it can be annoying but Ryan by his admission likes the Green Lantern mythos and his time on set wasnt the best as the director apparently gave him a hard time as he wasnt who director wanted in the role
@bulletxwound3559
@bulletxwound3559 10 күн бұрын
Not a fan of old hal at all, DC been doing my boy dirty since the cancellation of the animated series.
@thismandoesntexist7814
@thismandoesntexist7814 10 күн бұрын
I don't have any hope in the Lanterns TV show. Just looking at the idea of ​​the series I can already see how they are going to completely waste Hal Jordan and possibly repeat the tired and boring story of "uuu Parallax" or just cast him as a boring mentor instead of adapting what really makes Hal Jordan *THE BEST GREEN LANTERN* I am not closed to new ideas and interpretations but, seriously, Hal is one of my favorite characters not only in DC, but in fiction in general, his personality, charisma, adventures, conflicts and spirit, he is a great character that sadly is not seen often by others, I want justice for Hal.
@whatjusthappened77
@whatjusthappened77 10 күн бұрын
U say ur not closed off to new ideas but u said all dat without knowing practically anything about this version. Just cuz he’s old doesn’t mean he’s not that character anymore.
@thismandoesntexist7814
@thismandoesntexist7814 10 күн бұрын
@ The character of Hal is not usually an old character, in general he is usually the same age as Barry Allen, the only version that comes to mind is the one from Kingdom Come (which appears less than 10 pages and is not a very relevant character for the story in general), the character of Hal does not work very well if you have him 3 days away from retirement or a heart attack.
@Knick3607
@Knick3607 10 күн бұрын
@@thismandoesntexist7814It can work if a good writer actually tried.
@thismandoesntexist7814
@thismandoesntexist7814 10 күн бұрын
@ Well, we don't have the best writer... and well, I would honestly like people to know Hal Jordan as, Hal Jordan, not as a strange and old version, can it work? Yes, but I honestly think that for a project like this, for a universe like this, I would expect a version more faithful to the comic. It makes me sad to think that the first version of Hal that the general public will see will be… an older Hal who is once again, 3 days away from retirement and a heart attack.
@Knick3607
@Knick3607 10 күн бұрын
@ Think of it like this. If Lanterns does well and Kyle Chandler’s Hal is well written then that could inspire some of the general audience to read Hal Jordan’s comics or watch other Hal related media. Kyle’s Hal Jordan may be their FIRST exposure to Hal, but it doesn’t have to be their ONLY exposure to Hal.
@daydreaminavenue
@daydreaminavenue 10 күн бұрын
I don’t have an issue with kyle as an actor i’m just worried about what hal’s fate would be after the series. I don’t want him retire or anything of that bs
@JC-ln7yn
@JC-ln7yn 10 күн бұрын
Grandpa Hal, "grounded" and terrestrial based, filled with OCs instead of the actual earth supporting characters. Yeah, that sounds terrible, no matter how much you glaze it. The show might turn out ok on the end and I'll be happy if that's the case, but to pretend there are any reasons so far to be excited about it other than blind faith is delusional, and let's be for real, they are totally going to waste Hal, best case scenario he's gonna get the MCU Hank Pym treatment and stay in the background after Lanterns, and that's IF he doesn’t get killed.
@Shockkings0714
@Shockkings0714 9 күн бұрын
This is HBO we're talking about. Not Disney+
@redsonkr
@redsonkr 10 күн бұрын
Whenever i hear Tom king I'm very cautious for every vision, supergirl, superman, we get a batman, heroes in crisis, and nightwing getting killed again
@cmh1232
@cmh1232 10 күн бұрын
If they really wanted that true detective ideology complex, they could’ve done the Sinestro & Hal mentor/mentee relationship. Build a trilogy first about them, then add Guy , John, and Kyle for the saga. Hal getting trained by Sinestro where slowly he befriends and respects him. Then their ideologies start clashing when they have to work together on missions and war scenerios. Later as the relationship strengthens, Sinestro trusts Hal and shows him his world of Krougar, in which Hal is shocked to see the world ruled with an iron fist, contradicting his belief of individual freedom compare to Sinestro’s “giving up freedom for security”. Hal snitches on Sinestro to the guardians. And then boom Sinestro gets banished and returns a THE YELLOW LANTERN
@AnotherCasualPlayer
@AnotherCasualPlayer 10 күн бұрын
This route just makes too much sense... what i hate most about Hal being old means we're skipping out on Sinestro's fall from grace
@cmh1232
@cmh1232 10 күн бұрын
@ I honestly don’t want to see a Hal vs Sinestro fight in the DCU if they ain’t gonna explore their history together. I’m also afraid they might make sinestro the nemesis of John Stewart
@AnotherCasualPlayer
@AnotherCasualPlayer 10 күн бұрын
@@cmh1232 I'm on the same boat, i get this universe is already established but some stories need to be properly adapted and not just say that it happened. And if they decide to adapt sinestro either hes going to be already dead in this universe or like you said going to be john stewart's arch enemy
@AdamYJ
@AdamYJ 10 күн бұрын
Did people forget that a lot of Green Lantern stuff happens in Earth? I mean, Hal Jordan had Coast City as a home base and a whole Earth-bound rogues gallery full of guys like Tattooed Man and the Shark and Sonar and Dr. Polaris. And Kyle Rayner operated even more on Earth.
@zakariahborenyi5717
@zakariahborenyi5717 10 күн бұрын
Honestly I just want Hal Jordan to be done justice like the Geoff Johns run it might not be live action solo film we wanted but it would be good to see the character get some love after the recent nonsense they’ve been putting out
@jaketaz2848
@jaketaz2848 10 күн бұрын
Literally whotf is this mysterious person out there asking for these "grounded" stories. Pretty sure the entirety of the superhero movie viewing audience wants to see characters that are actually like the characters.
@trevorhoffler-xu5bq
@trevorhoffler-xu5bq 10 күн бұрын
I don't think grounded for Lanterns is the same as "grounded" for like Batman...but the answer to your question is the budget. The budget is the mysterious person telling the creators not to go crazy
@urmom-gv7zx
@urmom-gv7zx 10 күн бұрын
it’s grounded in the sense that it’s two human beings with the ability of the green lantern trying to figure out what big threat is looming over the universe. it’s not batman grounded where there’s no real superhero’s and just vigilantes.
@allyoucansee590
@allyoucansee590 10 күн бұрын
@@trevorhoffler-xu5bq bro, it doesn’t matter about the budget, just put the motherfuckers in space. Hell they could’ve been on another planet trying to solve a mystery and I guarantee you you would’ve gotten a bigger and better reaction from the audience. Like this grounded, shit bro that shit I don’t know who or what is making them going that direction but my God they are fucking everything up.
@space1734
@space1734 9 күн бұрын
​@@trevorhoffler-xu5bqThen they should've made a Question show. He's a detective and he doesn't require a big budget.
@reeereeebriieee8661
@reeereeebriieee8661 9 күн бұрын
What do you think grounded means? You think that Gunn is going to take away their powers or something? People are crying to much over this, think for a second.
@fredthetank8386
@fredthetank8386 10 күн бұрын
60 year old playing Hal Jordan off of that alone means the show will suck.
@DanielRodriguez-dv2eh
@DanielRodriguez-dv2eh 9 күн бұрын
It won't matter who plays hal Jordan as soon as the new dc universe starts going bad we're gonna be flooded with Batman and Superman movies just please don't let them be origin stories
@vineetdesai6396
@vineetdesai6396 10 күн бұрын
Now, it's hard to tell. Let's see how they pull off Superman. After that we'll see what they do.
@jackklapman5327
@jackklapman5327 10 күн бұрын
I have a good feeling about Superman. Let James cook ngl
@mrunaldhanwankar1649
@mrunaldhanwankar1649 10 күн бұрын
They fuck up when they decide not to make hal Jordon main green lantern. Hal is better character and have better story
@yarc9
@yarc9 10 күн бұрын
John Stewart the justice league green lantern
@zeshanwattoo1046
@zeshanwattoo1046 10 күн бұрын
@@yarc9 nah he sucks John Stewart is the most pathetic DC character Don't even compare him to Hal
@kendi5391
@kendi5391 10 күн бұрын
I'd personally go with Kyle or Jessica.
@yarc9
@yarc9 10 күн бұрын
@@zeshanwattoo1046 his more powerful
@zeshanwattoo1046
@zeshanwattoo1046 10 күн бұрын
@@yarc9 nice joke 😂 Hal Jordan is literally one of the most powerful characters in general pop culture Funny how you're comparing a side fiddle to him 😂😂
@Jedioutcast
@Jedioutcast 10 күн бұрын
For Hal fans? If the trashy ass adaption of parallax from beware my power happens, yes.
@Kalel2.0
@Kalel2.0 10 күн бұрын
This could also mean three things: 1.They pull a Green Lantern Rebirth in a couple of years and bring back Hal with a younger actor 2.We get Kyle Rayner as a result of Hals fall from grace 3.Hal stays dead forever😂which would be a waste of such an amazing character with the best storied
@tafarithehooligan
@tafarithehooligan 10 күн бұрын
it's more nuanced than that. hollywood has a history of colourist casting. and the creator of john stewart said he made him darkskinned for that specific reason. so it would have been awesome to see that reflected in the casting. the same with hailey berry storm
@Unrealizedthoughts0
@Unrealizedthoughts0 10 күн бұрын
"Yall complaining too much about this" Makes a video series complaining about DC characters for the past year. lol jk. We'll see... Geoff Johns was involved in the DCEU as well. I'll hope for the best because DC needs it.
@kal0247
@kal0247 9 күн бұрын
You're not wrong
@pats3212
@pats3212 8 күн бұрын
Geoff Johns was only a front, the real CEO was John Berg, Johns only had involvement in the writing of some movies like Aquaman and WW84
@themultiversalmagpie7827
@themultiversalmagpie7827 10 күн бұрын
Just adapt Geoff John’s green lantern run and have it end with blackest night
@andyjoelharper3448
@andyjoelharper3448 9 күн бұрын
Geoff Johns ruined the GL movie!😡🤬😱
@pats3212
@pats3212 8 күн бұрын
​​@@andyjoelharper3448 Geoff barely had anything to do with the movie, he was basically swept aside halfway through production
@themultiversalmagpie7827
@themultiversalmagpie7827 8 күн бұрын
@ how?
@jacktheflagg5713
@jacktheflagg5713 5 күн бұрын
I think Gunn said something about not wanting to bind actors or actresses to the DCU by contract like Marvel does. He wants them to return because they are motivated and want to.
@holty1314
@holty1314 10 күн бұрын
People are sceptical of Gunn’s moves due to what we’ve seen with DC prior and what Marvel is currently doing.
@looming416
@looming416 10 күн бұрын
For me it’s because outside of doing action comedy ensemble movies he really doesn’t have anything. So I’m not going to put my faith in someone who hasn’t really proven himself outside of that.
@utvFalseGod-iq3ux
@utvFalseGod-iq3ux 10 күн бұрын
​@@looming416 SUPERMAN 2025 is were we all find out what this man can do he took obscure ensemble group and they became household name but this feat is a whole another level WE TALKING SUPERMAN can he bring him to relevancy from 40 plus years ago THE GRANDDADDY OF SUPERHERO FILMS let's see
@looming416
@looming416 9 күн бұрын
@ I’ll see but he changed a lot of those characters to fit his movies we have yet to see him do an established popular character justice so I’m not putting my faith in him.
@Shockkings0714
@Shockkings0714 9 күн бұрын
@@looming416 So you've never watched Slither huh?
@Shockkings0714
@Shockkings0714 9 күн бұрын
So you've never watched Slither huh?
@brandonscott4808
@brandonscott4808 10 күн бұрын
Im not going to get my hopes up because, given how James Gunn planned his DC Cinematic Universe, it didn't sound that promising from the get-go and is only just pushing projects that WB desperately needs to make money, despite the fact it was the company's own fault for pushing out bad films, tv shows, games, and comics for the last few years.
@therealmr.incredible3179
@therealmr.incredible3179 9 күн бұрын
Who Tf wants a ‘Realistic’ and ‘Grounded’ GREEN LANTERN Project? Not me!(& many others) That’s for sure.
@SurgeReboot
@SurgeReboot 10 күн бұрын
The main story can be on earth but AT LEAST some space stuff. I also want comic accurate suits and good gl combat. I’m sure the detective story will be really good I’m just worried about it being “grounded”.
@painvillegaming4119
@painvillegaming4119 10 күн бұрын
If Batman isn't gonna be overly grounded I can't see GL being grounded
@Kalel2.0
@Kalel2.0 10 күн бұрын
Honestly like ive said before the more I hear about this show the less excited I get😂. As much as im a fan of Gunn and his work the descions regarding this show kind of baffle me from an old Hal Jordan,Original Characters playing big roles and not characters from the comics and the whole murder at the American Heartland doesn't sound at all like a GL story as well as the grounded tone
@duttreacts4780
@duttreacts4780 10 күн бұрын
i still think they should have made it into a movie and they should be in space for most of it but i still have hope for lanterns
@Kalel2.0
@Kalel2.0 10 күн бұрын
I agree they should've gotten a movie but a GL movie would be expensive and Warner Bros would probably cheap out especially with how they are currently in debt
@sakurahex4998
@sakurahex4998 10 күн бұрын
U know who else made a GL movie Deadpool 😏😏
@mantraki
@mantraki 10 күн бұрын
​@@Kalel2.0we also have to consider that right now wb is treating the DC IP with more calm, at last they learned that burning money and trying to compete with marvel in awesomeness was the reason they fumbled
@Kalel2.0
@Kalel2.0 10 күн бұрын
@@mantraki That's true and I agree and I want the Lanterns to receive the focus and attention they deserve however with WB's resistance in the past and with it looking the Lanterns wont play a big part in Chapter 1's overall story outside the show featuring the whole mystery for the overall universe so maybe if Chapter 1 is successful they'll feel more confident and will be in a better position to bank on the IP
@auradjinns
@auradjinns 10 күн бұрын
@@mantraki Agree 100%. The cost part of the discussion often gets overlooked. People forget how much money WB lost on DC IPs over the past 10 years. That’s another reason why calling for actors who cost $20 million per movie ain’t happening either.
@WeebGuru6
@WeebGuru6 10 күн бұрын
One thing I hope doesn’t happen is gunns doesn’t take to too long with the flash cuz I need to be done right bruh
@painvillegaming4119
@painvillegaming4119 10 күн бұрын
Depends on who the main flash but if it is Wally he may appear in Titans
@WeebGuru6
@WeebGuru6 10 күн бұрын
@ true I’m assuming it’s Wally cuz it’s John as green lantern cuz the 2 indicates usually who the other is gonna be
@painvillegaming4119
@painvillegaming4119 10 күн бұрын
@@WeebGuru6 I just hope we also get Barry I need these heros to have their families Especially Batman
@WeebGuru6
@WeebGuru6 10 күн бұрын
@@painvillegaming4119 agreed so if Wally is the flash we will most likely get the flash family and zoom adapted properly
@painvillegaming4119
@painvillegaming4119 10 күн бұрын
@ I low-key want grodd as their first adversary Zoom and Thawn should be left for the sequel
@darkroninmarvel
@darkroninmarvel 10 күн бұрын
I know it's still too early to judge. Still, after watching the first two episodes of Creature Commandos, I'm honestly quite concerned about the future of this new universe if they're going through a similar route and tone to the Commandos; the involvement of Tom King and Damon Lindelof only raised the red flags higher, so yeah, if you ask me, the best I could give the upcoming show is the benefit of the doubt, and that's it.
@painvillegaming4119
@painvillegaming4119 10 күн бұрын
I mean creature commandos will have a different tonne to something like superman Also variety is important for these projects
@darkroninmarvel
@darkroninmarvel 10 күн бұрын
@painvillegaming4119 fair point
@painvillegaming4119
@painvillegaming4119 10 күн бұрын
@@darkroninmarvel That was one of the main problems with the DCEU and a problem with the MCU every movie seems to have the same tonne Gotham and metropolis should feel like polar opposites
@ngossoobenge3817
@ngossoobenge3817 10 күн бұрын
I mean not every project in the mcu has the same tone, it just depends on the character they’re working with. Like obviously Superman isn’t gonna be the same tone as creature commandos.
@darkroninmarvel
@darkroninmarvel 10 күн бұрын
@ngossoobenge3817 i hope so
@TheRegibump
@TheRegibump 9 күн бұрын
Truth be told, I wouldn’t be surprised if Guy gets killed off in his first appearance so the ring goes to Stewart in time for the show. Do I want that to happen, of course not as Nathan deserves to play a GL in live action, but it’s a possibility to explain why he isn’t in the show.
@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache
@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache 10 күн бұрын
I still can't believe the first Green Lantern of this new universe will be Guy Gardner. Don't tell Guy, though. He'll let it go to his head.
@SuperCanayaZ
@SuperCanayaZ 10 күн бұрын
The real problem is Damon Lindelof. You cannot have a person who hates comics as the showrunner of your series of comic book characters.
@cahe6161
@cahe6161 10 күн бұрын
Sadly I think they will.
@SirsasthNigam.
@SirsasthNigam. 10 күн бұрын
I don't think that a GL series set on Earth sounds Good as long as Hal Jordan doesn't goes berserk like he did in comics and Kyle 's girlfriend doesn't get fridged
@joshjones9749
@joshjones9749 10 күн бұрын
I cant lie, this lanterns series is sounding like something LOOSELY tied to the comics. Like something made by fox...
@DaniG._.German
@DaniG._.German 10 күн бұрын
Honestly, I'm still worried for Hal Jordan and Richard Grayson. I hope Gunn gives them the respect they are due.
@afrocut
@afrocut 10 күн бұрын
Am I the only one super concerned after seeing the ultra wacky first two episodes of the creature Commandos?
@blooddemonguy7734
@blooddemonguy7734 10 күн бұрын
Not every project is going to have the same tone or vibe as creature commandos.
@afrocut
@afrocut 10 күн бұрын
@blooddemonguy7734 I hope so because, right now, the three projects that exist in the new dcccu (Detective comics connected cinematic universe?) all have the same wacky, overboard music vibe that Gunn has already beat into the ground with the guardians films. There it all worked, here it feels tired. Peacemaker and elements of Squad had moments to breathe, but the opening two eps of creature commandos found a way to overdo or undermine even the heaviest of concepts with music and goofy laughs. I'm just worried going forward, and I wasn't until now.
@Shockkings0714
@Shockkings0714 9 күн бұрын
@@afrocut Why would a "Dark, grounded, true detective style show" have the same tone as Creature Commandos????
@Shockkings0714
@Shockkings0714 9 күн бұрын
Why would a "Dark, grounded, true detective style show" have the same tone as Creature Commandos????
@Fireclaw5588
@Fireclaw5588 10 күн бұрын
I want them to do well with Hal in hopes that we can get more of Kyle in the future because he also deserves more love
@skrrskrr
@skrrskrr 10 күн бұрын
The thing is, it's 100% Ryan Reynolds' fault that Hal will be an older man and will probably not be in more projects, the story being more grounded, and there seemingly not being that many comic book characters in it. Ryan's constant bashing of that one movie has convinced everyone that Green Lantern sucks and if the next Green Lantern thing is even remotely similar to that movie, people in the industry are convinced it's not gonna be profitable. If Ryan didn't keep talking shit about that movie, people would have forgotten about it by now. I'm still gonna walk with them on this, and see how they do it. But if it's trash I'm in Ryan Reynold's walls.
@Haiyden
@Haiyden 10 күн бұрын
I'm praying the series is good. The casting is okay, but I am worried about everything else. I mean, a Green Lantern show with a tv show sized budget doesn't really sit well with me. This needs to be good because ever since Aquaman was changed into cool dude Jason Mamoa, the Lantern hate has been wild, saying that for some reason they are the lamest in the Justice League. Like there is no way space cops with deep lore and genuinely creative superpowers are losing the popularity vote to a guy that talks to fish.
@junior6677
@junior6677 10 күн бұрын
Imo Lanterns sounds very interesting.
@shadowone01x99
@shadowone01x99 9 күн бұрын
I agree🤝👍
@joy4themightydonutchainsaw620
@joy4themightydonutchainsaw620 9 күн бұрын
If anything this made me way more scared.
@Geralddd966
@Geralddd966 10 күн бұрын
Flop...most GL stories absolutely do nor take place on earth
@yarc9
@yarc9 10 күн бұрын
If the green lantern ring runs out of power they can’t fly anymore
@Geralddd966
@Geralddd966 10 күн бұрын
@yarc9 pretty sure they have a hand held battery lol,but yh I get u
@EpicRandomness555
@EpicRandomness555 9 күн бұрын
8:50 Wow… James Gunn is a G. Whether or not the new DC universe is good or not, I’m just impressed with that stance.
@s.w.a7609
@s.w.a7609 10 күн бұрын
Would Be Awesome If They Brought In A Version Of Razer Somehow. Obviously Needs To Be Done Right, Also Damen Lindelof Is A Hack.
@zetnom89
@zetnom89 8 күн бұрын
I like the idea of it being a series. Once John joins the Justice League maybe season 2 can be about Kyle Rayner and each season can follow new Lanterns. Simon Baz, Jessica Cruz, Kilowag etc. Maybe get a whole prequel season dedicated to Hal and Sinestro or do the Arrow thing where they tell a story in the past and present simultaneously. So many possibilities with the Lantern Corp. Since the shows called "Lanterns" and not "GREEN Lanterns" maybe you get a season exploring the Spectrum. That'd be awesome. Im hyping myself thinking of all the options while typing knowing most of them will never happen lol
@stealthmonkeydc2869
@stealthmonkeydc2869 10 күн бұрын
The Lanterns series really just doesn't make sense. I don't get it. I swear Gunn probably doesn't want it in the DCU but, for some reason, he has been lumbered with it and told it has to happen.
@HomelessDuck665
@HomelessDuck665 10 күн бұрын
You could do what dc did in rebirth with two green lantern stories going on at the same time. Hal and the corps going on galactic adventures and John doing earth based adventures.
@MasterGundam-tv8vb
@MasterGundam-tv8vb 10 күн бұрын
I’m excited for the new DC Universe I always said DC has a lot of characters that hasn’t been used to their full potential in film
@insupportofjunhado
@insupportofjunhado 10 күн бұрын
I could get behind a show about Green Lantern, Rose/Thorn, Harlequin, Obsidian and Jade. Don't know how they'd do Obsidian in live action though.
@BlahNetworkBro
@BlahNetworkBro 10 күн бұрын
I don’t hate all Tom King but I’ll bet ur ass if he has anything to do with Hal’s Character he’ll have done some atrocious act to innocent, likely minority, people at behest of the Air Force and the guilt plagues him but actually it’s not his fault
@kazimations
@kazimations 10 күн бұрын
ngl i been watching your channel non stop gang. the whole entire justice league everything. i’m a loyal subscriber and i will continue glazing the channel. let’s hope james knows what he’s doing
@deathGod252
@deathGod252 10 күн бұрын
ayo
@yvnggawd350
@yvnggawd350 10 күн бұрын
Self admitted glazer is crazy works
@MarkRopern8strength
@MarkRopern8strength 9 күн бұрын
You laugh but colorism is a thing. I’m lightskinned. And I still don’t like dark skinned characters losing their melanin. I hated when they casted Halle Berry as Storm.
@dramon5835
@dramon5835 10 күн бұрын
Telling people to not watch DC media isn't a good thing considering if no one watches it, they will loose money and incentives to continue it. Especially saying that when DC is at their lowest and relying on Batman, please don't pretend that the people complaining are the minority when they are obviously not
@zeshanwattoo1046
@zeshanwattoo1046 10 күн бұрын
I will forever hate James Gunn for doing this to my favourite DC Character Hal Jordan He deserved to be the main Lantern of DCU and he deserved a solo film from with some actor like Jensen Ackles or Chris Evans
@hesklairvoyant
@hesklairvoyant 10 күн бұрын
it was always gonna be john lmao, gunn even said he was taking inspo from JLU
@zeshanwattoo1046
@zeshanwattoo1046 10 күн бұрын
@@hesklairvoyant what? Being a DC fan I can't even imagine someone defending this We all know Hal Jordan is the primary and the main Lantern of DC Universe He has all the greatest comics like rebirth, blackest night, sinestro corps war etc. He has the main villains And building a whole cinematic universe off of a cartoon? Are you serious?
@mantraki
@mantraki 10 күн бұрын
​@@zeshanwattoo1046buddy, they are aiming for a general audience not diehard green lantern fans, and the general audience loves John Stewart more than they love hal because they grew with the incarnations of young justice and JLA
@zeshanwattoo1046
@zeshanwattoo1046 10 күн бұрын
@mantraki but how does you know they love John more? Because the last time I saw Hal Jordan was still out selling all other DC heroes not just John but even superman in comic selling. He's also more famous in general.
@mantraki
@mantraki 10 күн бұрын
@@zeshanwattoo1046 yeah I speaked out of my ass and I apologize for that, someone needs to make a survey for that
@mygetawayart
@mygetawayart 10 күн бұрын
what i'm hoping is that, while John becomes the primary Justice League Green Lantern, Hal can spearhead a set of prequels solely focusing on the Green Lantern Corps. Sorta like how during the DC Rebirth era, you had Jessica and Simon as the main Justice League Green Lanterns (aswell as the "Green Lanterns" run focusing on their growth as Lanterns set primarily on Earth) and Hal, John, Guy and Kyle leading the "Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern Corps" run (amazing art btw, Rafa Sandoval knocked it out of the park) which was a continuation of the Johns run.
@allyoucansee590
@allyoucansee590 10 күн бұрын
Bro bro, Brody, Dookie, I fuck with you, bro I fuck with you hard. But you, Trippin. James gun is not cooking at all with these ideas. I mean for Christ sake we’re getting a wonder woman show without Wonder Woman. I don’t wanna watch that, and I’m pretty sure a large piece of the fandom don’t wanna watch it either
@baki484
@baki484 9 күн бұрын
My reservation is due to Hal and John having a large age gap aren't they peers in the comics. Hal Jordan and John are equals. I just hope we get a GL animated series with Hal Jordan in the lead as an honor guard (like creature commando and blue beetle) while John is the sector 2814 lantern. The problem is when Tom king f*cks up he really messes up assassinating some characters along the way.
@milkiassamuel780
@milkiassamuel780 10 күн бұрын
Im not gonna lie; Kyle Chanler as Hal Jordan is probably one of the best castings for an older Hal Jordan but I still dont love the idea of Hal being played by an actor who's almost 60, but he's certainly a good pick to play an older veteran Hal Jordan specifically. Im just sad this implies that Hal won't be staying around in the DCU for long as Im scared they'll adapt the Parallax arc in this series and then kill off Hal Jordan just like that without exploring his character, his emotional complexity, his rocky but compelling romance with Carol Ferris and how much of a quintessential character he is to the Green Lantern mythos and characters like Sinestro who's rivalry is too iconic to ignore, as his rivalry with Sinestro could've made for such epic built up cinematic conflict for a trilogy of GL films. I worry that since they're making Hal older, they may not adapt his iconic rivalry with Sinestro since Hal and Sinestro are such pivotal rivals in the Green Lantern comics, given their history as former partners and how different they are with such a unique dynamic, as I also fear they'll just make Sinestro John Stewart's arch enemy instead, as even though they have fought before, they don't have that interesting relationship and juxtaposition that makes Sinestro and Hal so entertaining and thematically complex as they're basically former friends who had different ideologies of how to truly overcome fear and they couldve made us care about this relationship to make their rivalry more impactful like Anakin and Obi-Wan or Optimus Prime and Megatrons complex rivalries but with Hal and Sinestro instead. Look, I love John, as he was always my favourite GL when I was growing up and I have no doubt Aaron Pierre is a superb casting choice for John Stewart, especially if youve seen him in Rebel Ridge, as he truly seems to care about the character by giving a good depiction of him and Im happy John will have a major role in the DCU as a likely founding member of rhe Justice League. However, there is a small part of me that still wishes that they could have just started with both Hal & John sharing the spotlight equally as the main GL's of the DCU, with Hal in his late 30's to ealry 40's up in space & John on Earth with the Justice League, but whatever. Im still very excited for rhe show as a huge Green Lantern fan but I just really want this show to be good and finally show people how interesting GL can be as a character and how fascinating the lore and mythos is as Green Lantern if done well has the potential to become*DC's Star Wars*
@cahe6161
@cahe6161 10 күн бұрын
@@milkiassamuel780 I think that's probably what they're gonna do, make Sinestro John's nemesis even if it doesn't make sense. Grandpa Hal also means Grandma Carol too, which is also something I've never wanted to see.
@mantraki
@mantraki 10 күн бұрын
But let's see the good thing, an older Hal Jordan implies another thing, a possible Kyle Rainer adaption for the first time (I think, I don't want any of those "actually in the Christmas special in one showcase during the 90's Kyle Rainer appears in the background sucking off kilowog in the Arby's parking lot")
@cahe6161
@cahe6161 10 күн бұрын
@mantraki They don't need to make Hal that old to have Kyle in it.
@mantraki
@mantraki 10 күн бұрын
@@cahe6161 yeah, maybe Hal in mid 40's, early 50's at best
@hesklairvoyant
@hesklairvoyant 10 күн бұрын
they can always make an animated project about younger hal
@kevinbre7563
@kevinbre7563 10 күн бұрын
I'm concerned about John Stewart's love interest being a married woman. I feel like he'd have too much integrity to get with someone who's already in a relationship
@space1734
@space1734 9 күн бұрын
What do you mean? His most popular moment is stealing Hawkmans girl.
@crazy_leonean
@crazy_leonean 8 күн бұрын
@@space1734👀
@pianist150
@pianist150 10 күн бұрын
I just hope that by keeping the show based on earth as a cop drama they can get the budget to have some creative and interesting constructs and stuff. And then hopefully next time we see him or them it'll be more of a space opera and with a larger budget
@cicciogamer80fame.
@cicciogamer80fame. 10 күн бұрын
barry will be next unfortunatly
@gothstralia1545
@gothstralia1545 10 күн бұрын
i have yet to meet someone so terrified of Tom King who actually reads comics. The man cannot carry an ongoing but he COOKS on a limited series. Everyone needs to chill out and read Mr. Miracle.
@OsSas3
@OsSas3 9 күн бұрын
If we're talking only DC, King has some bangers: Omega Mean and Green LanternDarkseid War were amazing! Supergirl and Superman Up in the sky are near perfect. He's done horrible stories too, but like you said, the man can cook.
@gothstralia1545
@gothstralia1545 9 күн бұрын
@ I think he shouldn’t be on tent-pole books like Batman but can absolutely kill it on a limited series/somewhere he’s allowed to stretch
@abiodunsulaiman2297
@abiodunsulaiman2297 10 күн бұрын
He wanted amazing adventures across the cosmos He MAD
@shadowone01x99
@shadowone01x99 9 күн бұрын
I am glad they chose John Stewart and Hal Jordan to be GLs in the tv series.
@A_itsar
@A_itsar 9 күн бұрын
I hope he's just go into the universe, instead of dying or turning evil
@dejajade6726
@dejajade6726 10 күн бұрын
Gunn releasing Creature Commandos before Superman would be like if Fiege released Werewolf By Night before Iron Man.
@williamdaviddiazcuchimaque7511
@williamdaviddiazcuchimaque7511 10 күн бұрын
El ya estaba trabajando en el guión antes de que se volviera ceo
@Zygomatic_Bolt
@Zygomatic_Bolt 4 күн бұрын
6:19 Some of them are the same people saying that it "doesn't matter that live action Astrid isn't blonde with blue eyes" 🤦🏾‍♂️
@NewOverlord
@NewOverlord 10 күн бұрын
IDK why, but I wanna see the DCU lineup of the Justice League look like the DCAU's founding Justice League
@DennyTaodzera
@DennyTaodzera 10 күн бұрын
I love creature commandos
@atraina6921
@atraina6921 6 күн бұрын
Making Green Lantern an earth based story is like making Thor just an earth based story. You’re missing like half of the myths of it.
@Dinoman-mo7mt
@Dinoman-mo7mt 10 күн бұрын
I like Star Sapphire, why aren't we getting Star Sapphire?
@cahe6161
@cahe6161 10 күн бұрын
@@Dinoman-mo7mt You want to see a Carol Ferris in her 60s in a Star Saphire suit?
@Dinoman-mo7mt
@Dinoman-mo7mt 10 күн бұрын
@cahe6161 I was thinking of the Geoff Johns run but I just like her character.
@cahe6161
@cahe6161 10 күн бұрын
@@Dinoman-mo7mt It looks like the Geoff Johns run is the farthest of what we're actually gonna get.
@univeriseman8008
@univeriseman8008 10 күн бұрын
The best GL run is Jeremy Adams run. It got all the buzz for being star wars scale of epicness and it started out on Earth but 😂😂😂😂 not entire issues of slice of life
@gregviews
@gregviews 10 күн бұрын
Hear me out... if they can get tom king to write on a show why cant they get Geoff Jons to review and write a script for the lantern show? 😂
@naoquartafeiratv5486
@naoquartafeiratv5486 8 күн бұрын
The fact Tom King is involved. I KNOW they're gonna kill Hal Jordan OFF or make him an asshole
@jknetwork6211
@jknetwork6211 10 күн бұрын
Imagine if james Gunn recreates the Hal Jordon scene from justice league war in live action 😭
@sakurahex4998
@sakurahex4998 10 күн бұрын
YES!!
@thatoneginger6480
@thatoneginger6480 10 күн бұрын
The DCu will be a fat comedy club
@DemonLord_Rimruru
@DemonLord_Rimruru 10 күн бұрын
11:19 Hal for the win 😤
@drewmeyer9679
@drewmeyer9679 10 күн бұрын
I’m just praying Gunn gets the JL right.
@IAMMCLARK
@IAMMCLARK 10 күн бұрын
I’d rather see supergirl than another Superman tbh we need to see a better black Adam tbh or we need to start with a villain like deathstroke or a better cyborg
@grxzzly94
@grxzzly94 9 күн бұрын
can we all just wait til it comes out LMAOOOOO
@cartooncentral263
@cartooncentral263 9 күн бұрын
The DCU is gonna suck!
@Cvr5ta0ywa
@Cvr5ta0ywa 9 күн бұрын
The best bet Gunn would have made was to make a Green Lantern movie and then establish the rest of the lore in the show.
@Venzynt
@Venzynt 10 күн бұрын
Batman did not need to hit three flips out the jet lol, bro doin the most
@MasterOfTheUniversebtw
@MasterOfTheUniversebtw 10 күн бұрын
Don’t forget Tom king wrote Mr miracle too
@shadowone01x99
@shadowone01x99 9 күн бұрын
Awesome comic👍
@MasterOfTheUniversebtw
@MasterOfTheUniversebtw 4 күн бұрын
@ truly is
@FiestaTX17
@FiestaTX17 10 күн бұрын
I so badly want to see Blackest Night adapted to the big screen. That would be one of the greatest movies in the genre I don’t care
@joshseipel1783
@joshseipel1783 10 күн бұрын
I just don't get the pointless hate😂 My Review- Arron Fischer is one of these youtubers, and the guy lied saying, and "The princess that Rick flag gets with is underage" and is just negative for NO reason. How can these people have the audacity to call themselves "fans" but will do anything to tear down anything that is shown to them.
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