Can My Chat's Chess Bot Beat Mine? (Chatfish vs Lemonfish)

[@AirmaskM]

Now chat fish mini vs chat fish 2.0

[@HydraJKM]

Even better: four way chess with chatfish 1.0, chatfish 2.0, chatfish mini, and lemonfish.

[@jadenschalck8640]

To deal with suggestions having values either too extreme or too wimpy, the vote for a rule should probably be the following four: No Yes Yes, but the values should be higher Yes, but the values should be lower If no makes up half of the votes, it is discarded.

[@julianw7097]

I think the values should be [suggestion_value] * x, and then chat can pick x by taking mean or maybe median of everyone's vote.

[@jadenschalck8640]

@@julianw7097 that could be a runoff vote.

[@drdca8263]

@@julianw7097 Median seems best to me. It is incentive compatible, encourages people to vote for the value they prefer most (provided that people have single-peaked preferences). If you take the mean, it incentivizes strategic voting.

[@julianw7097]

@@drdca8263 Exactly my train of thought! Well put!

[@mr.grahamca]

I liked the chatfish 2 method of doing a double/halve/same round after the rules are decided

[@gergely6463]

We need a stockfish evaluation bar next time lol

[@tapashalister2250]

You should get a high level chess player (maybe even a youtuber?) to pick rules for bots and see how much better they can make it!

[@Radio_ink114]

gothamchess

[@catgirlQueer]

I'd like to see quietfish / a chatfish type deal using quiescene search instead of just stopping at a certain depth

[@odomobo]

I second this! With q search, we'd get to see the evaluation in action, instead of constantly seeing horizon effects.

[@Babyyyd]

I've now watched the whole "chatfish series", loved it, waiting for more content like this, also do you announce when you stream on a discord server of yours or is it random?

[@briannalafrance8383]

Does anyone know what happened to the lemon fish code? It just died 😭

[@HappyGingerWolf]

I think the real test would be both starting off with a basic bot as a base, and seeing who can make small tweaks to improve it, that'd give chat a pretty good advantage

[@samuelthecamel]

After evaluating the games, it seems like the bots tend to end up in positions that are super confusing and involve complex trades, which causes them to occassionally mess up and give the other side a huge advantage. It also seems like neither bot knows how to play endgames.

[@OTucanChannel]

The perfect opposites - one captures rooks the other doesn't XD

[@Aaa-vp6ug]

Can you do one where you make multiple chatfish minis? (5 most popular),(5 least popular), etc. Maybe more than 2 for interesting content

[@sonicwaveinfinitymiddwelle8555]

worstfish moment

[@Aaa-vp6ug]

@@sonicwaveinfinitymiddwelle8555 yeah

[@shaharporat507]

Maybe you should make it so that every sugestion counts but the chat votes on the multiplair of that rule's points

[@brownpotato9405]

Chatfish eats lemons for lunch 💪🔥

[@Hubcat_]

For forks, something like "plus 0.7 times the second most valuable piece being safely forked, with ties for first being counted as 0.7 times the tied value." This would encourage capturing pieces with the fork because the captured piece would always be worth more than the fork, but would also prevent it from thinking it was going to be guaranteed to capture the highest value piece it's forking

[@Beyrox38]

Lemonfish would destroy stockfish 20

[@BIGJUICYCAULK]

Can you add a program so that we can code our own bots

[@cole08]

I could see mini chatfish trading queens or rooks in a queen vs queen and knight endgame and drawing it while it was winning

[@ckq]

BTW to convert from 1 to 10 scale to a 1 to 5 scale, you need to do rating * 6/11 not rating *5/10 since the average score is 5.5 vs 3.0. Also a 10/10 is more impressive than 5/5, so that's why it converts to 5.45/5 so 2.66 instead of 2.44

[@landsgevaer]

Nah, to convert from 1-10 to 1-5 you need to do score*4/9+5/9 The highest score needs to map to the highest score, and the lowest score to the lowest score (although if the lowest scores were zero, that would not matter).

[@ckq]

@landsgevaer wrong because. 100 out of 100 is clearly better than 2 out of 2 and 1 out of 2 is clearly worse than 1 out of 100. Here's the math behind it: 1 out of 2 is 1/3 on a 0 to 1 scale 2 out of 2 is 2/3 on a 0 to 1 scale 1 out of 5 is 1/6 on a 0 to 1 scale 2 out of 5 is 2/6 on a 0 to 1 scale . . 5 out of 5 is a 5/6 on a 0 to 1 scale You need to calculus to prove it but trust me I'm right. Nevermind ur right when talking about a ton of votes, I was thinking if it's just one vote

[@VivBrodock]

@@ckqdoes a bunch of math incorrect for the problem "bro just trust me"

[@Xx_babanne_avcisi27_xX]

now chatgpt vs chat bot 2

[@kingofgameing0]

now do chatfish 1 vs chatfish 2 vs chatfish mini vs lemonfish in 4 player chess

[@arneschultz]

Hey whats that Programm where you ran your chessbot is it open? Cuz i think it would be fun if i and others could code there own

[@helenussy]

*Lemonfish dev and fangirl VS. rest of the chat

[@number1-willstetsonsimp]

the fangirl huffed copium when lemonfish lost

[@theominouspigeon]

🍋

[@yosoyautismo4797]

chatfish ate lemonfish for lunch

[@thefirstnoguez]

now that i think about it i should have rooted for lemonfish you were right helena but after seeing this chatfish is better

[@Chrissy-ow3zq]

mini fish sandbagged just for the story 😭

[@coppertones7093]

seeing all the chatfish videos makes me want to use generic algorithm to make bots, but i don’t know chess

[@thecorruptcat5346]

What software does he use? I'm new here

[@kiwiace4613]

Chat should add a rule so that if chatfish is up material it DOES NOT REPEAT (so no more draws in better positions)

[@umikaliprivate]

What if you took all the suggestions for the bot, and only added those which made the bot preform better?

[@theominouspigeon]

imagine if he made one with all the losing suggestions

[@mathmagician8191]

That would require implementing all the rules, then testing whether they improve the bot, both of which would take quite a while (at least with the depth 5 being used currently, with a lower depth the testing wouldn't take as long) It is the best method for actually developing an engine though

[@umikaliprivate]

@@mathmagician8191 that's what I thought of.

[@theverycringenogoodname8453]

Revolutionary idea

[@tyapka100]

What about + (sum of your pieces' value) - (sum your opponent's pieces' value) just to stabilize it?

[@mousythemouse6899]

Can't wait for catfish 9😊

[@theominouspigeon]

imagine 4pchatfish

[@thathababumasavarapu2142]

I BECAME A BUG TESTER

[@loglorn]

lemonfish threw so hard lmao

[@kjolii]

I was in this video!

[@acsx437]

now chatfish 3.0!

[@TaismoFanBoy]

Is any of your code open source? I'd kinda wanna do some of my own "rule of thumb" bot stuff, but making the initial setup is a lot which has kinda made me put it off.

[@WingsOfFireeeeee]

MOONWATCHERRRRRRRRR

[@sesagaming7348]

Can you give us the code for it?

[@simonpaga4232]

When you get famous I can say I was featured in one of your vids😂

[@thefirstnoguez]

bruh i have apeard in way more videos he notices me and even messages me on discord

[@simonpaga4232]

@@thefirstnoguez good for u

[@just_a_random_donny]

me too 🤣

[@AtPurri]

W

[@bobbobert9379]

Chatfish is smarter and hotter than lemonfish confirmed

[@arw357]

could you slow down the game-play? at least when the game becomes interesting. nice concept anyway 😄

[@Emix999games]

Polish openinig Polska gurom

[@repplayz65]

0 views 0 seconds you fell off 💀

[@Amoonguss-0591-internetball]

Broooo watch the video before commenting what you talking about???

[@repplayz65]

@@Amoonguss-0591-internetball the joke is that at the time i was here it displayed 0 seconds ago and it also displayed 0 views and i am using the quote "you fell off" as a humorous way to express this

[@MAML_]

0 vies in 0 seconds, views per 0 seconds, 0/0 views per second, 0/0=inifnity, inifnite views per second.

[@whydoihavetodothishandlething]

chatfish will prevail.

[@GotFakeSkill]

7:50 SONIC WAVE INFINITY LESSSSS GOOOO

[@gengar9nn]

6:24 this is my rule :3

[@connerlycra1502]

23:01 Of course the en passant

[@Tehehei]

i think it CANT edit: i have to go but i believ in you chatfish!!!!! 💯🦾🦾💪💪