Fixing a Viewer's BROKEN Gaming PC? - Fix or Flop S4:E11

[@GregSalazar]

I find it so disappointing that a few people have accused us of "planting" this build in the series merely for the purpose of upgrading it with a sponsored case: For one, we already have recent "makeover" videos on the channel. If my goal was to overhaul the look of someone's rig, I would have framed the video as such. I've done it before and I'm certain I'll do it again. It's not as though those videos perform poorly or anything. Second, as usual, I had no idea what was initially wrong with this system prior to picking it up. For all I knew, it could have been PSU, motherboard, or CPU-related. Had the PC required other replacement parts, I may not have upgraded the case. Third, the owner of this system likely spent more in gas money alone for pick-up/drop-off than the $$$ value of the replacement case. Owners of systems for this series are NOT told whether they'll be receiving upgrades. In fact, we make it clear up front that we don't even guarantee _fixes_ - let alone upgrades. Those who seem off-put by how simple this fix was are missing the point. Some fixes _are_ simple! And, like I said near the end of this video, simple mistakes are insanely common. I feel it's important to show them all, complex or not. Of course I want that bag, but I would never waste valuable Fix or Flop video slots for the sake of simply shoving in a case sponsor. It's a shame we can't do nice things for folks without having our motives called into question.

[@MTJ662]

Greg, I wanted to take a moment to express my sincere appreciation for your kind and thoughtful actions. Your consistently positive and considerate demeanor has not gone unnoticed and has had a significant impact on those around you. Your character is truly admirable and serves as an example for others to follow. Thank you for being a genuinely good person.

[@stephscarff]

Hey Greg , i tried fixing a 2060 to my motherboard and it just would not fit , thought i was stupid for ordering a card that was not right , then realised i hadnt taken the cover off of the interface , easy mistakes happen all the time ,

[@WilloffireGaming]

Bruh just keep on helping other no matter the good you do they will be haters don't let that discourage u

[@rodennis418]

Well that's just silly. Never get that vibe from you. Now poking fun you didn't instantly reply back with "check your front panel connectors" is ok IMO :)

[@watercannonscollaboration2281]

Considering the bullying received my members of LMG during the whole fiasco and recently Unity having to tell their employees not to go to their offices because of death threats, unfortunately some people in the community suck. You’re not doing anything bad here Greg

[@sweetdawg9979]

Fyi this was my rig and the motherboard in it had been an issue in my previous build, constant blue screens etc. It was to the point when I dropped it off with Greg I included a replacement mobo in case it was the issue. Greg said no need and I am super happy the issue was as simple as it was. I guess the biggest thing I learned was not to assemble a PC at 1 am. 😅

[@_Sn0_]

Now you know your mistake and you can learn from it! Everyone in the PC industry started somewhere... Now we need an update if the system returns to software related errors.

[@sweetdawg9979]

​@@_Sn0_funnily enough, it did. When I got it home and got Windows installed sure enough constant blue screens again. I had not yet sent the new motherboard back to Amazon, so I swapped it out and now it's super stable. I think that old mobo was a lemon from the factory.

[@_Sn0_]

@@sweetdawg9979 Well that sucks... Hope the new MB treats you better!

[@shaneeslick]

G'day Sweetdawg, Yeah I tend to make silly mistakes like this late night/early morning too, it's why I call it STOOPID O'Clock 😉. Interesting to hear you had problems with BSOD when the X570-Tomahawk was in your PC, What CPU + RAM did you have? I have a X570-Tomahawk too for my Editing PC, it's paired with a R9 3900X & originally 16GB Balistix 3200 (16-18-18-36), Now 32GB Kingston Fury (16-16-18-36) with no stability problems using it for Rendering, Transcoding or Gaming. Will be interesting to see how the X570-Tomahawk performs in the new build for your girlfriend, hopefully no stability issues as it crasing while Crafting Mines will be frustrating

[@mistermudpie]

Wow, you must've facepalmed so hard.

[@SKLL3TR]

People would be surprised how common this happens, as always lovely episode

[@Joreel]

Happened to me 25 years ago when I thought I'd plugged the front cable into the right pins, but I didn't push it in all the way so it caused intermittent problems starting the system. It took me weeks to figure it out. I was so embarrassed and frustrated as it honestly looked like it was all the way in.

[@shaneeslick]

Yeah or even getting the right Connector but mixing up the Power & Reset buttons

[@lentas4921]

I broke my laptop hinges

[@gilles111]

Yes, seen it a many self build pc systems where I was ask to do some trouble shooting. Not only connecting with the wrong header at the board but also people who forget to fully plug in the cables at the power supply or forgot to plug in a cable at the CPU power, fans at the wrong header. Sometimes I have it myself too, system not powering on, push a cable hear *CLICK* - well that might do the trick...

[@bothellkenmore]

I had my HDD activity front I/O cable plugged in the wrong way. Not mission critical but still a useful indicator when other stuff goes wrong.

[@NowThatsPCGaming]

Another banger! Shout out to the guy building a rig for his girl. Did the same thing for my wife and now we game together a couple times a week. Keep it greg. Much love!

[@DutyGeezer]

Me Too! We get on discord and play with my daughter in another city!

[@RichWhiteUM]

1st rule of PC diagnostics: try the simple stuff first! You could potentially save yourself a massive headache. I have actually seen people screw something else up, while thinking their issue was with their CPU or motherboard. If you're PC doesn't turn on, check the wiring first! Like Greg said, it doesn't matter how experienced you are. People make mistakes.

[@Inn0IWNL]

I've changed my thermal paste since it was hitting 50-60 in idle (was 30-40 a few months ago). Anyway I had the cooler month that was a pain in the ass to remove if you have a tight case. The one where you have to push down on the tabs like the budget deepcool coolers. So I tried to remove the RAM but gave up halfway because my GPU was blocking the other tabs(!). So I decided to remove the GPU first. I got a big room after removing so I just removed the cooler and repasted, put everything together and tried to boot. Nothing. Took it apart and reapplied the paste and cooler, same thing. I was worried that I fucked my CPU up so I just sat there thinking. I started fiddling around and I heard the RAM click. I properly seated my RAM and It started to boot. I forgot I gave up halfway through removing the RAM. I was almost shitting bricks and was very relieved when it booted to windows. Moral of the story: check if everything is proper seated

[@AeiKei]

I am always checking the motherboard manual when building pc's. Manufacturers have different places for the internal connections so it's better to check the diagrams and header names in the manual. This one was really easy to fix, I suspected a bad front panel wiring from the moment you said he tested the power supply and it was ok

[@shaneeslick]

Yeah especially older LGA115* ASUS Motherboards as they were the ones that changed the Front Panel Pin arrangement requiring cases to have seperated Front I/O instead of the Block like FUSB & FAudio

[@AeiKei]

@@shaneeslick i do remember seeing this on a z87 board from Asus, i think it was a Maximus but not all of them had this

[@shaneeslick]

@@AeiKei Every one of the ASUS 1155 Mobos I've had H/B/Z have all had the different FP Pinout

[@AeiKei]

@@shaneeslick never owned an Asus LGA1155 mobo, but the z87 Maximus had the weird pinout aswell, the z170 pro gaming reverted to the classic one

[@AgingChris]

It still amazes me how in 2023 the front io panel connectors have not been standardised like pretty much everything else

[@JamesBond-zd5jx]

Preach! In fact, all of those connectors could/should be made easier.

[@Venoxium]

This is a similar issue I had when I first build my PC in 2012. Was an FX6300 and Radeon 7790 and when I clicked the power button my heart dropped since it wasn't turning on. After a lot of troubleshooting I finally realized....I had the Power plugged into the LED + and - and the only reason I learned this was because I realized the motherboard manual had the diagram printed UPSIDE DOWN.

[@grandmasmalibu]

I feel your pain. I was always told to RTFM (Read The Freakin Manual) but I ran into one like that, too. Manual was confusing, but the printing on the board itself was far more helpful.... once I learned how to read the "shorthand" printing on the MB. I rarely consult the manuals on new builds any more. Now I mostly just get out a BIG magnifying glass and have at it.

[@bdbd1390]

This is probably to do with my age also, but a lot of mb manuals print are so small.

[@dashkatae]

That may have been your hardest repair yet. I'm glad you were able to figure out the problem and get it fixed for the viewer. :)

[@deadly_mir]

🤣

[@forsakenart_]

Love this series so much, Greg! Watching these make it so much easier to troubleshoot things when I see the same issues come up for my PC!

[@GregSalazar]

Glad you like them!

[@ShaneCutting]

I appreciate the fact that this particular episode was not too difficult. Great job as usual and good on you for the case upgrade. Keep up the good work!

[@grandmasmalibu]

Me, too. Not every battle can be uphill in the rain at night. Sometimes what's confounding to somebody who's been up to his neck in the problem is obvious to somebody else with fresh eyes (and a lower frustration level).

[@massivemancomputers]

Ahh, simple fixes are the best. Best series on YT, keep em coming!

[@TheBlueBunnyKen]

Love this series, it has helped me diagnose an issue with my rig. Learning how to weed things out before narrowing it down to what's causing the issue. When my rig started shutting off randomly after a short while. I narrowed it down to the psu, replaced it and no more issues

[@TheBlueBunnyKen]

I also learned how to wire up my pc from your videos

[@KitsuneVoss]

the items I learned are that ddr4 really should snap in. as well how long the first boot takes because it is memory training.

[@POLARTTYRTM]

So many years later and I still HATE front panel connectors. Why in the world we still don't have a simple solution for it just like the 24-pin for the motherboard?

[@Epsilonsama]

It's worse if the MB manufacturer decides to put the JP1 headers in a hard to access location that will cause you backpain trying to put everything neatly.

[@Rechain]

Off course you had to put that classic scream in, but it fitted perfectly 😂 7:44

[@IvanHernandez-ck5vv]

Thanks!

[@jamesmiscellaneous]

YOU CAN FIX IT GREG! I BELIEVE IN YOU! 💪💪💪💪

[@Nthusiast58]

Absolutely love this series!!! Please keep it going!!

[@ben.harnwell]

It's those little things that you miss! Good reminder to start from the beginning and check EVERYTHING. Love that you can offer the new case for this viewer and as always I learnt something new... Assume nothing...

[@Makerr8]

This kind of simple solution is so important to see in a video. I had a friend who recently built a computer and, as soon as he finished putting it all together, called me in a panic because everything looked like it was wired up correctly but nothing would turn on. Turns out it was just the power and reset cables were swapped. It's a simple solution but very important for those who might not know what they're doing and will panic if something doesn't work right.

[@joeyd199]

Your videos in this series are always a pleasant educational experience. Keep on doing you and don't let haters get in the way of the good you're doing for your local community and the YT space at large.

[@davidhuber6251]

You rock. I love that you took the time to make it pretty even though it was a two minute fix.

[@Reeezeful]

I have wired those pins wrong so often in my life and it is always the biggest relief when the "oh no its not even powering" problem can be fixed by that... I'm still at awe that we STILL don't have a complete standard for this as a 1 cable solution. Is it really that hard?

[@GamerDave1974]

Pausing at 3:37, It's Always a good idea to refer to the MoBo Specs/book to understand where Jumpers need to be connected.

[@RuruFIN]

For once I guessed right the problem right in the beginning. Had that once almost 2 decades ago and I still remember why my rig didn't power on.

[@jmjm003]

Your Microcenter videos have you checking power and proving its connected now.

[@phillmariani]

Good to have good content to watch. Keep it going man!

[@astroworfcraig9164]

An aggravation-free fix! Love that you got a chance to make someone's day without any frustration.

[@johng.]

I know about "simple" fixes, and have been my own worst victim a few times. It can be so frustrating, until vision clears and a self-induced face-palm ensues. Thanks, Greg, great series and really good video!

[@zsuavee]

The goat of pc fixing thanks for all the educational videos it helps out a lot of people for sure

[@Lukiel666]

My very first build did not power on. I went over everything three times. It all looked perfect. So I just unplugged the cables and plugged them right back in the same socket. After that it worked perfectly. So now the first thing I check in any system is loose cables, then cable placement.

[@p00ner]

I had a teacher in college that said at the beginning of class, “Always check the obvious first.” And you did that Greg by starting at the wall outlet and working your way down the line.

[@WELSHYTECH]

finally another Fix or Flop video keep it up Greg

[@blaster-vv8so]

glad it was a simple fix. if you get this scenario don't forget to unplug front usb first, I have had 2 older cases short out their front panel usb(2) header and make a computer fail to power on.

[@blackusai]

God takes me back to my first build in ten years last year. It took me so long to get the power pins right. Glad it was so simple.

[@ElysaraCh]

oh man, seeing such an old case with the PSU mounted at the top, zero cable management space, and the entire front of the case occupied by drive bays is such a throwback. All it really needed to round out the look was for the PSU cables to be good old ketchup & mustard.

[@MCentral8086]

Thanks Greg. Unsure if you've made a change, but excellent lighting by the way.

[@bongodoug]

For every build that runs you through the wringer its nice to get in an easy fix once in a while.

[@Throwerguy]

Looking swole. Good video, there’s always something I’m learning from these videos. Thank you for making these

[@watercannonscollaboration2281]

This reminds me of the time I built my first ever PC I thought I broke my computer cable managing (it was working well for months) and took over half of the parts apart to troubleshoot. The problem was i forgot to flip the power supply switch

[@weroliera]

Really enjoyed this very easy fix. Case looks a million times better. Good job

[@johnpaulbacon8320]

Thanks for another well done video in this great series

[@freedomearthmoon1]

My case had several individual IO connectors and required sharp focus. I'm 63 years old which didn't help matters. But yeah, its not difficult to chose the wrong connector if you can't see it clearly.Great common mistakes / tips video. Thanks for all your videos.

[@raymieremy6110]

simple fix but really good example. Awesome Greg. Cant wait for new and more episodes from your channel. Really learn a lot. 🙂

[@steelfalconx2000]

My first PC build I did this, I put it in the right header but vertical instead of horizontal. It took me like a week to figure it out, lesson learned now I always pay extra attention.

[@CrumpetsNBiscuits]

ty for showing this.

[@GregSalazar]

Thank you for watching! :-)

[@coreymcdonald7745]

Super simple fix. Reminds me that I need to fix my front panel pins to get my reset switch working, even though I do not use the reset switch that often.

[@freedomearthmoon1]

Greg, I’ve learned a lot from your channel. So much so that when I purchased HP Victus in February and discovered it ran to hot “ Case to small, 1 case fan ” i7-12700 with a Nvidia 3060 12GB Vram. Not the greatest card, but the rig cost me about the same as the components would have. To remedy it, I built a new computer with components from the New computer. I was gaming 1.5 months after purchase, not a big gamer. I like to edit video from time to time and didn’t discover the problem right away. I touched the top of the case by the rear/ fan and it literally was burning hot. I downloaded Core Temp and started testing. It was Thermal throttling and the GPU was running at near max temps , Plus the game was utilizing 60% to 70% of the card. I purchased a new but older style Thermaltake Core 71 case Full tower, Aorus Z690, Four NVMe.2’s ,64GB RAM, EVGA G6 850-Watt Gold Power Supply Modular, Replaced the 3-200mm fans with Noctua, Noctu Tower cooler, 2 more 240mm Noctua’s. Four SSD’s. All in one card reader for my DSSLR. The giant fans are silent, it never runs hot and the GPU fan makes a bit of noise under load “ Not much”. I might upgrade it one day. It was my first computer build, I give you a lot of credit for making me feel at ease with the process. Thanks so much and I hope the house is coming along.

[@kehres83]

I look forward to the fix or flop videos ...I get excited when they drop!

[@harmless-kun]

I also make this same mistake when I was new to PC building and even now when I didn't atleast check the manufacturer's manual once...

[@thisjustanother]

had this happen to a build i was working on for a friend. the cables were power plus and power neg and they were swapped. thankfully i double checked the manual and went through everything and saw the mistake.

[@dracodrake45]

I reused my first pc case that I built back in 2015. Its a bit beat up and old but it keeps my motherboard in place. Its pretty cool going from amd3 to amd5 and having a huge upgraded feeling

[@DominikZogg]

I always check the main board manual mainly for the f_panel and always read cooler manuals carefully, In-depend on how many times i already did it. Exactly to prevent such a case.

[@benjamintrathen6119]

Thanku Greg for making these, i really enjoy your content.

[@GregSalazar]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@DctrGizmo]

Well that was the quickest fox ever. It’s pretty cool how you still replaced the case!

[@florentinoflores2033]

I love this series so much

[@RemedieX]

Oh man, I've been there busting my head over what's wrong only to realize it was the simplest )and in hindsight funniest) little thing that was in the wrong place or not pushed in enough to make connection.

[@KrastyoKrastev]

Great episode as always! Everyone who thinks Greg is "planting" does not know Greg well.

[@RaptTor-e3b]

Great series, have learned lots of detailed trouble shooting from watching this series (Fix or Flop) thanks for sharing with those of us that enjoy watching and learn seeing you at work !

[@denault3985]

Good choice on the case...

[@Zebra_Paw]

I thought the same as you before you even said it, does the power button even work?

[@Juliett-A]

Yup. Power button is always primary suspect when absolutely nothing happens.

[@PoyoLoko69]

Best case EVER! I love it! Well I have the DX but is so good

[@Caderynwolf]

This video makes for a great reminder, sometimes it's the dumbest mistakes... No matter how good you think you are, you can always get caught out by them.

[@leif-erichansens2635]

At 1:22 I take my wild guess why the rig doesn't boot, the optical drive got SATA data connected but no power, I had it happen that a PC gets stuck on trying to load from optical.

[@johnvandeven2188]

I made a similar mistake on the very first computer I owned back in the 1990's. My first PC ran Windows 3.1 and ran on an Intel DX486. Ahh, all those memories.

[@Joreel]

Those were the days... so little online help to build the systems and so many frustrating parts and wires to get connected properly 🤣 My first was as 80386 with a CGA card, a 5 1/4 floppy drive, and 1 meg of ram. I don't even remember what the hard drive was anymore it was probably 25-40 MB.

[@Miniputt_999]

I've really enjoyed this playlist. Been watching all videos before i go to work or when i have free time, also been enjoying the pcdc playlist. These videos have given me the courage and the ambition to finally build my own pc for the first time :D And boy is it gonna be a beast :D Looking forward to more content, and keep up the amazing work :D

[@GregSalazar]

Awesome, thank you!

[@goorthiss]

3:12 lol 😆

[@CyncalKaos]

Great content as always. Can we get more then 1 video a week. On the Fix or flop.

[@veltriix]

This reminds me of my brother transferring his PC parts, I built for him, to a new case he bought. I left him and my other brother to do the hardware transfer as he felt confident doing it. After 4 hours he called me because he was at his wits end because the PC won't respond after pressing the power button. He also swapped parts from my other brothers PC to see if had broken it, but just like this PC he had the front panel headers plugged into the USB internal header. It was an easy fix and he was so relieved that he didn't brick and break his expensive PC parts.

[@exanyt]

Honestly such a simple fix, but it happens to the best of us.

[@EpicFudgemuffin]

I have the same mobo! S- tier according to that one list, whilst being one of the more affordable X570 boards.

[@hellrazor2050]

power headers always a big one especially with 1st time builders . The amount of times i have seen powered up and it keeps looping a reboot or powered up fans spin and nothing else happens all down to incorrectly set power headers

[@bodaciuos357]

! love be quiet cases. i have that exact case. and love it..

[@azizurrahmanabuhanipah7853]

Nice casing upgrade.

[@hodaboy1]

Michigan here.. glad to see someone else out there is okay with an older GPU. I still use a 5700 xt even though my son keeps trying to get me to trade for his old RTX 3080. I can see upgrading if games get to the point where you can't get 60 fps on medium setting in new games, but I can't think of any games I play that make me need to upgrade yet. As for upgrading the case.. that always makes me think my older stuff looks new again when I do that.

[@csl750]

Looks so much better...

[@Techno_Geist]

Two things: The last two times that I upgraded my pc I have done exactly what the pc's owner has done, was at my wit's end thinking I broke the pc until my brother looked at it and said "try flipping those cables." worked like a charm. It's an easy thing to overlook and I'm glad it wasn't a worse problem. 2nd thing is the original case could be a fun sleeper build. I'd put feet on the bottom and drill air holes into it as well as possibly making a side intake to allow more airflow. The new case is pretty awesome but I prefer my phanteks eclipse g500a

[@Dan-Simms]

Figured that what it was right from the start after seeing that rat nest lol. Simple mistake, that a lot of new builders make. Nice case upgrade for them though!

[@SteveODonnell]

I have the 500 FX it's a brilliant case.

[@moonpig660]

i found out where to put the front panel cords in, in just a quick google search of where do front panel plugs go, and simple picture showing name of the connector on any motherboard where its normally located and what plugs go where in my case the cords are all seperate instead of 1 2x4 and not lined up correctly if you were wanting to tie them together. I recently swapped cases and ended up not placing the usb 2.0 plugs where they needed to go, tho i didnt look that up

[@willfultrain6779]

Shoot I'd rather have an older case than some of the newer ones, it's even got a disc drive which to me is worth a lot.

[@mikefellhauer3350]

I ABSOLUTELY HATE that (most) newer cases don't have drive bays anymore! Had a real tough time finding a case with a drive bay, but thank you "Cougar" for continuing to make a case with at least one drive bay, the "MX330". My reason for needing the drive bay is for my Blu-ray burner as I still make DVDs, and prefer an internal (since I have a tower) over an external.

[@Pasi123]

Same. Another thing I hate about modern cases is the lack of 3.5" HDD bays, most cases only have 1 or 2 of them. I'm still using an old Fractal Design Define R5 which has two 5.25" bays, 8x 3.5" HDD bays and two 2.5" SSD bays

[@SiAnon]

I thought that at one point and eventually even took out my DVD drive and put the blanking plate back in. Not needed the DVD drive for anything once since. Not something i'll miss at all.

[@_Sn0_]

Out of curiosity, why still make DVDs? 8GB flash drives are much more convenient. Other than price I could not see a reason for burning DVDs anymore...

[@mikefellhauer3350]

@@_Sn0_ I don’t know if they still “make” them, but you can definitely still buy blank discs of all types. Also you can still buy current movies, TV shows, and past TV shows on DVDs and Bluray…I also stream, but many times what I want to see isn’t available on any of the common streaming services. Also I still buy used DVDs and Blurays, especially obscure ones. But I use DVDs to archive my VHS and Beta collection…USB sticks are so unreliable and easy to lose.

[@mikefellhauer3350]

@@SiAnon Agree, you can still use an external DVD/Bluray connected via USB, but for my video work I prefer the speed and reliability of the internal drive (for the record, I do have an external bluray drive as well I use with my laptop).

[@johnstancliff7328]

LOL! I love it when its as simple as plugging it in.....

[@SidDTheSimschannel]

Most of the time the front pannel connections will always be in the bottom corner facing the front of the case and will not have fancy things around it.

[@rezafatihs]

I really love the case!

[@Mandren]

Hopefully the PC's owner doesn't feel too silly by the simple fix. Happy to see an upgrade for them, especially when it's a sponsor's dough being spent. People need to stop whining, we're here to watch you dig around in computer guts. Mission accomplished.

[@Redacted509]

If not for nothing this video should serve as a reminder to check the simple things if somethings amiss

[@rodhester2166]

There are some shops that would charge stupid money to move the wires. I would love to have that case for a retro build..

[@SiAnon]

I bought one of those cases a couple of months ago and built a new spare PC for a different room in my house. There's a lot more room than you would think in that thing. I'd 100% buy another one next time i build a PC.

[@youknowme2003]

Thanks for swapping the Case, if you would‘ve kept it in the old one, it would‘ve hunted me in my Dreams tonight.

[@JamesBond-zd5jx]

The front panel connection is a pain in the butt especially if the pin connectors are split away from each other and have to be put on individually.

[@DutyGeezer]

I just recently did troubleshooting on my sons business PC. Intermittent restarts, crashes. I took the MB out and powered it up outsides the case and it worked just fine for hours! I replaced the case with a new Corsair 4000x and he’s had no problems. I think the power switch or wiring was faulty.

[@recordatron]

I remember the first time I did a modern PC build years back and those lil headers were the thing that tripped me up and made me very worried that I'd bricked the system! It's not exactly the easiest system to work with especially for new builders.

[@benroberts2222]

IMO I was more a fan of the sleeper look on the old case. I still have an Antec 300 sitting around that's very similar in arrangement, except for PSU on the bottom.

[@p1rohaizad]

hey! miss ur vid buddy, great job as always fixing the viewer's pc ...

[@lazysandwichyt586]

i am a silent viewers from PH ... and be quiet is so awesome

[@OcDmn]

nice quick and simple fix, but could be a headache if you didn't know where to look for. sadly modern cases rarely have room for those beefy dvd/bluray rom.

[@soonerproud]

"This was the best case scenario." I see what you did there!

[@caphowdy666]

Doesn't matter how modern I wanted a new PC to be, it would always have a DVD drive as I am a CD collector and rip all my CDs to my PC. Yes I know you can get an external, but with limited space and the drive probably needing a power socket to plug it into, its always much better for me to have the drive as internal.