Grimes: Music, AI, and the Future of Humanity | Lex Fridman Podcast

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OUTLINE:
0:00 - Introduction
2:03 - Identity
6:01 - Music production
18:52 - Spotify
23:34 - Experimental music
26:09 - Vision of future
38:42 - Motherhood
54:50 - Consciousness
1:09:40 - Love
1:15:31 - Metaverse
1:28:13 - Technology and bureaucracy
1:32:11 - Mortality
1:40:36 - Understanding evil
1:44:34 - Last person on Earth
1:47:12 - Dan Carlin
1:49:42 - Rise and Fall of the Third Reich
1:56:07 - Coolest human invention
1:57:28 - Advice for young people
2:00:40 - Meaning of life
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Here are the timestamps. Please check out our sponsors to support this podcast. 0:00 - Introduction & sponsor mentions: - Brave: brave.com/lex - Novo: novo.co/lex - Lambda: lambdalabs.com/lex - Public Goods: publicgoods.com/lex and use code LEX to get $15 off - Blinkist: blinkist.com/lex and use code LEX to get 25% off premium 2:03 - Identity 6:01 - Music production 18:52 - Spotify 23:34 - Experimental music 26:09 - Vision of future 38:42 - Motherhood 54:50 - Consciousness 1:09:40 - Love 1:15:31 - Metaverse 1:28:13 - Technology and bureaucracy 1:32:11 - Mortality 1:40:36 - Understanding evil 1:44:34 - Last person on Earth 1:47:12 - Dan Carlin 1:49:42 - Rise and Fall of the Third Reich 1:56:07 - Coolest human invention 1:57:28 - Advice for young people 2:00:40 - Meaning of life

[@raulcasabiancaarancedo547]

You should intervew AURORA Aksnes

[@umyeahyeahyeah]

The Atomic Constants, Light, and Time by Barry Setterfield. Max Plank: Plank Length, Plank Time. Niels Bohr, David Bohm

[@priscilajuvera5152]

oo

[@BURGOSMARCHA]

Hey Lex, your podcasts are the best one on one conversations ever, in every sense of the word. I was wondering if there's any interest in you exploring The Mandela Effect in the future. I hope and look forward to it, if it is to be discussed on your podcast. God bless you and your loved ones. And thank you for bringing all of us with such wonderful presentations.

[@ichi_go]

Did she give you any tips at making beats? Keep up the great work Lex🤙🏻

[@jonfarrell7473]

This is a conversation between a Coffee-crash and an Adderall. Loved this one.

[@skdjirrrdjdm3926]

Omg this is spot on!!

[@n8archy121]

I remembered why I don’t know her. Honestly, she fucked Elon? I legit don’t know any of her songs.

[@TheKeithIvar]

OMG totally! Maybe that's why I connected so hard.

[@lauranoonan_]

exactly lol

[@chrissylibertyk9]

This is exactly it! I was trying to decide if he was bored or tired

[@samdavisok]

Lex never brought up Elon, very respectable.

[@ElonMusk-ez5xz]

exactly what I was thinking. I would've been disappointed if he did.

[@climatefascism9870]

Why ?

[@ElonMusk-ez5xz]

@@climatefascism9870 if you're a family, or friend of someone as popular as Elon, you get overshadowed in a lot of stuff. Also, grimes is "someone" other than Elon's ex. So, when she is being interviewed, I would like the focus to be on her, and not Elon.

[@climatefascism9870]

@@ElonMusk-ez5xz I get you.

[@Thioredoxin]

How have you listened to the entire episode that fast?

[@patrycja3174]

i need like an 10 hours long interview with grimes that i could listen to all day

[@heatherm503]

I thought she was so out there, but she is actually very relatable! I am also blown away by what a great interviewer Lex is - took me completely by surprise. He makes his guests so comfortable, it enables them to be their best and most real selves.

[@danieltolson5341]

I’m now convinced in an alternate Timeline Lex Fridman is the world’s greatest therapist.

[@Nemcoification]

And how does that make you feel?

[@itsjacob420]

Have you ever questioned the nature of your reality?

[@juggernaut4799]

@@Nemcoification what is a 'feel'?

[@TwiceToasted]

Giving Moon Knight vibes

[@MungeParty]

What is love?

[@icecoldfelicia]

“You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.” ― Buckminster Fuller

[@elizabethanderson2968]

THE CHALLENGE IS TO FOCUS ALL YOUR ENERGY NOT ON FIGHTING THE OLD BUT CREATING THE NEW … SOCRATES

[@sakuraflares7054]

bangers yall

[@mindsigh4]

thank u Victoria Martinez, Fuller was so precise, good that u rep him correct!

[@mindsigh4]

@@elizabethanderson2968 thank you

[@ismailnyeyusof3520]

That’s exactly the quote I need to hear and be reminded about in my country that seems like the archetypal asylum which has been taken over by the inmates.

[@megan-ui3hq]

this is such an amazing interview and made me see Grimes in a totally different light - the narrative around her has really been so skewed, but in this long form interview where she is allowed to be authentically herself (the interviewer is great), she’s just a creative, intelligent, unique, passionate, compassionate person sitting there.

[@MaxCady7.62]

Shes a great artist.

[@BrentRichards-vp1cg]

😮 maternal technocrat😮

[@FOURTEEFIVE]

She's a god dam hippy! •in Cartman voice•

[@baddoopey]

I couldn’t agree more.

[@megan181]

Duh she's amazing

[@michaeltravis3562]

LOVE her brain. I'm a music producer, so I was enchanted from the very beginning of this conversation; I rode it all the way to the end and gained a new appreciation for the sparkling starlight that is GRIMES ✩°｡⋆˚⁺ (Thanks, Lex!)

[@cherryVision]

do you make music similar to grimes or have recommendations of less known artists that make similar?

[@AudriannaB-World-Peace]

Let me just say, that this is the first time I have seen this interviewer, and I am completely blown away by how calm and incredibly intelligent that Lex Friedman is and his interviewing style is really beautiful to see! He does his homework on the person whom he interviews, but it is not expressed in a way that is overt...it is expressed as a calm curiosity which enables him to be really outstanding 🌟

[@bernadettblummer108]

same

[@brandyferguson123]

I definitely agree with this...

[@kyyyyyyyyym365]

Same!! I subscribed

[@__umbra]

After watching some of his videos. I have started to feel like this.

[@anyariv]

Grimes hit the nail on the head. After having my child I struggled with the same conflict. On one hand I want to be the feminist that my grandma fought so hard to raise up, this independent woman who can do it all. But having a strong career meant someone else was taking care of and raising my child. I longed to watch her develop and felt guilty either way. In the end I chose to fully commit myself to my child's upbringing and don't regret it one bit. My corporate career never cared for me and would have let me go to meet their numbers in a heart beat. But my child loves me unconditionally. In the end, I am more valuable as a mother than as an employee in some company.

[@richardcompton6702]

That's dope. I feel like both the old kind of "implied" or "assumed" motherhood role and the newer kind of feminist "responsibility" to embody independence to solidify and progress Women's rights each present their own barriers or challenges to properly valuing a child and really assuming that motherhood role to its completion. I feel like if I were a woman I'd be torn and have trouble recognizing, let alone resolving those things. I can totally see how tempting, or even seemingly necessary for survival it would be to kind of just minimize the full scope of those undertakings and just view a child as a sacrifice or burden in some type of way rather than integrate just how important and valuable and enriching of a choice it can be on a personal level. Not just for society or the child but personally. Like my Mom was wonderful and also involved in business when she was younger but kind of never accepted giving up her career and even after 20 years not working, she goes out of her way and find ways to work herself unnecessarily hard. It's incredibly admirable seeing someone who, even at almost 65 years of age just never gives up and she 110% checked every box as a mom but at the same time, as an adult, I just want to see her complete and content and I often wonder had she either saw her career through or fully integrated that decision to leave if she'd be more at peace, happier and/or more fulfilled. Hope I'm not overstepping but what you said is so natural and powerful to see someone genuinely finding themselves in motherhood and making the choice to fully commit to that role despite all the complexities and distractions of our modern world.

[@blokin5039]

Selfish

[@cockashe1363]

@@blokin5039 bro what

[@msp5138]

How old are you? You clearly have no idea what feminism is which is probably why you listen to Lex Fridman. Feminism is about giving women choice. Prior to 2nd wave feminist movement women had zero choice. But don't worry zero choices is coming back fast for women.

[@ageresequituresse]

Beautifully said.

[@heidefeldman1760]

My very first introduction to Grimes. I'm 63 and a young 63. I'm so excited about her avenues of direction and interacting with her freedom of thought process. Wonderful young talent!

[@CherylPaulina]

I just gotta say... I love you, Lex! ❤ Every interview I watch/listen - which seems to be more and more of you lately - my appreciation for you grows. You have: -a unique and authentic conversation style -genuine curiosity -openness to listen without judgement -pure interest in each of your (epic) guests perspectives -not shy to show when you're blown away / honest reactions and responses You are not: -intimidated by your guests status' -trying to change them, persuade them, convince them, influence or push your passion on them So much love and gratitude for your work, Lex 🔥

[@mariuszd.4909]

„Art is an conversation with every artist that lived before you” - Grimes. I love it!

[@wyktron]

she also said "We don't give a fuck about some ancient Egypt" lol

[@phattjohnson]

​@@wyktron Perhaps that was more an observation?

[@janachytilova5649]

I think, many artists were original - only dialog within themselves... 😁

[@badreddine.elfejer]

@@wyktron weird

[@CornpopWasaBadDude444]

🤮

[@littledaemon001]

"Literally everyone around you is dead. There are corpses everywhere." Lex: "I would just enjoy life"..

[@jumpingoutofairplanesmentality]

Russians SMH

[@safekidda46]

… and see the beauty of the situation

[@FlynLatif]

the most russian thing ever said, ofcourse, he'd enjoy it with this face " :| " while being happier than anyone else who had ever not died

[@tobiasravn4008]

I want to build med a littel robote doge to be my fren Lex

[@insomnia20422]

Lex: "Sounds like paradise. No one that can bother you. Amazing."

[@Frank_Serota]

I honestly feel so bad for her because the media villainized her so harshly, maybe she just has a different mindset now that she's a mother vs then, but all i saw here was a beautiful curious mind.

[@BrentRichards-vp1cg]

😮 what if she's a technocrat supremacist?😮

[@manofgod818]

What Gingerxbread said! "Naw, she might be nerdy but she's a gold digger too. She APPLIED FOR & got a $90,000 arts grant from the Gov't of Canada DURING COVID, WHILE STILL WITH MUSK. Her family is wealthy and in politics. I lost all respect for her after hearing that. That money needed to go to less popular, starving artists. She also didn't do all of her own production on her early albums as claimed - but also didn't credit the original producers."

[@yerrterrb8435]

I am unaware of the villainizing the media has done, or why. I've just seen her in a handful of videos, and she always seems like such a dumb clown. I don't understand the popularity. I can't believe she's in her 30s and has multiple children-- she seems stunted at about 15, and at about equivalent grade level. It's baffling.

[@boladaoxp]

​@@manofgod818who were the other producers then? Where are the sources for what you're saying?

[@kimapts]

I thoroughly enjoyed this episode- Grimes really made me think; of new things and old. How refreshing! I’ll definitely be relistening to it to see what else I can glean.

[@rivermuscadine6706]

This video is by far the greatest “interview” or conversation you can find of Grimes. She rarely does stuff like this and when she does, it’s usually 10 minutes long (if we’re lucky) and just about her music or Elon, because that’s all the world really cares about with her. I think interviewers are respectfully amazed by her, but none can actually like keep up in conversation, ya know? The guy for Vanity Fair in April said that talking to her was like a four hour game of pinball. True. But like?… rude? She speaks and processes stuff so fucking fast and when Vanity Fair or Vogue gives her 4 fucking minutes of airtime, we hardly get to hear what she actually feels and believes. Furthermore to have it be taken so seriously is a joy to see, Lex obviously can keep up with her and actively conduct a very well provoked and well articulated conversation on these topics. When I found this I gasped. This was such an incredible and important conversation and I keep coming back to this video to rewatch and learn more every time.

[@jessedybenko8235]

Also check out her interview on Sean Carroll's Mindscape - more of the same. Thought-provoking conversation.

[@TheDJOblivion]

I don't think she's that unique, or intelligent. She is definitely above average, but that's not saying a lot. People here are acting like she's some sort of genius, or worse, a musical genius. I think she's more crazy and narcissistic. The fact that she does understand music so deeply whereas most people don't is probably where most of that is coming from. Obviously, if shes interesting to someone like Elon there may be some deeper learning skills in there too.

[@MariaCosta-yw7ef]

Nope, I think she is not interesting.

[@stuart207]

@@TheDJOblivion despite describing her as highly intelligent I can't help but agree with your assessment 👏

[@elysecrawford4790]

@@TheDJOblivion I like your screen name 👍

[@rachelcaminita2759]

Everyone here saying how their perspective changed on Grimes and that’s just amazing! It’s so easy to judge a book by its cover, especially a celebrity, but her mind has always been this way and she’s a huge inspiration to me!

[@erniethevagabondranchcat]

Here I am, nearing 70, first thinking from seeing a Met Gala photograph of her, that she was avant-garde, not in a judgemental way, more as an observation. After hearing this podcast, I feel such optimism. She is refreshing, insightful, expansive, unique, thoughtful, creative...how lucky the world is to have a bright light like Grimes who thinks positively about the possibilities of the future instead of the negative, cynical destructive views prevalent. Her favorite quote aligns with my views. My opinion of her morphed into admiration. I was intrigued by her because I admire Elon Musk's visionary approaches and stance on freedom of speech.

[@arturo_cruz]

That's why i love podcasts, its VERY hard to pretend to be someone else or lie for 2-3 hours. The real person is genrally exposed.

[@rachelcaminita2759]

@@arturo_cruz same! She’s been relatively the same in each podcast/interview but I love seeing her development and her sharing that transition into motherhood/awareness of child developmental consciousness was mind blowing to me. I follow that but to hear from a celebrity is incredible. I felt it was very authentic coming from her.

[@hannahlennertkristiansen4797]

very true

[@rzawistowski33]

I didn't know what to think of her, but I really like the way her mind works. Very humble and thoughtful.

[@villanas]

I keep finding more reasons to love GRIMES, and thank you for your brilliant mind. Exceptional questions and discussions, just what I needed.

[@asmaraninurmalitasari7017]

This one is surprisingly fun to watch. I'm saying, I didnt have any expectation of how this conversation would be, but it's actually pretty satisfying.

[@bluewaters3100]

I am a 69 year old grandmother who loves music and thought that Grimes had a brilliant suggestion about listening to new music. She is an interesting individual. Thanks for having her on your podcast.

[@matthewmullin8168]

Lex's videos really do have the sweetest comments section on KZbin 😭

[@Piqcked]

Nice

[@kennymichaelalanya7134]

There's a lot of good underground music that's for sure. Too bad Mainstream music is mostly junk.

[@jeremyashcraft2053]

69? Nice.

[@scar4912]

I agree! Love your last name by the way haha

[@Gheeba86]

I did not want this interview to end… hearing these two humans speak to one another was art in itself and what the world needs more of!

[@mitchellmccall377]

Yes, now a conversation between human beings is "art" ...welcome to our brave new world

[@Danuxsy]

@@mitchellmccall377 everything is unique and special these days, didn't you know?

[@muskydev]

@@mitchellmccall377 you seem like a sad person :(

[@hoola_amigos]

@@muskydev likewise

[@dominictrento8770]

Man, I’m coming back to this video after watching it when it first dropped. First, Grimes is so super rad and I’m glad I got to see her in depth like this. But the hold that the quote (which I’m going to butcher) “don’t destroy the things you hate, but build better things you love” or at least the idea of the quote is awesome. Let’s build worlds we haven’t seen are possible yet friends. Much love.

[@ebbandflowpei9285]

Grimes is growing on me. There’s a lot of negative press out there about her, but she strikes me as very positive, bright and forward thinking. Great interview 👍

[@matmcd4660]

"Cynicism is often confused for insight." I agree with this 100%. I used to be a hopeless romantic but since my divorce it's been a string of psychos and narcissists. I always end up losing something. My heart has been hardened and almost forgets(and no longer cares) what it's like to be loved. I don't want to feel that way even though there's a certain sense of freedom in it. I just miss the hopeless romantic sometimes.

[@itskeagan3004]

You really need to seek help for yourself and ask a therapist WHY you ended up with partners like this. I hate to see people throw shade on true love when they haven’t even found it-especially when they’re clearly looking in the wrong places. It’s much easier to pass it off as “everyone around me is crazy” than to get honest and look in the mirror. Hoping the best for you.

[@blessings2you435]

@Mat Mc... Feeling ya', Mat.

[@shanemillott5229]

Well put friend

[@cjwhite2631]

Don’t let your heart grow hard. You must love Christ first.

[@consumer1843]

Read and do Keanu Reeve's "50 Ways to be kind", expect nothing in return, and be a good keeper of your consciousness.

[@EmilyRose1]

"I think my personality changes with everyone I talk to" I've never heard anything more relatable lol

[@decisivedolphinn]

Lmfao same

[@jonmacdonald2193]

its called being fake

[@decisivedolphinn]

@@jonmacdonald2193 Not really lmao, just meeting the demands of the people in the human experience. You're still yourself, just changing your perspective and behavior based on different people. If you are a different person at work than you are at home, would that be fake too?

[@digitaldistancerecords736]

Oh great no values.

[@ece9948]

@@jonmacdonald2193 maybe she has bpd

[@engelic16]

I am pleasantly surprised about how much I loved this, did not expect to! It's a combination of how unique she is and the unique questions Lex asks

[@BruderAdrian]

This interview was one of the most grounding and "real." Interview's lex had, Grimes is so comfortable being herself and her inner light shines by her talking about her ideas and art. What a cool human being. Also I've known about her since years ago when I stumbled upon her son genesis. The video is having an acid trip. Lol so cool

[@americanardvark]

19:53 "we're All a victim of somebody's propaganda, so let's just accept this." Lex said . Best quote of the podcast.

[@ooainaught]

I like to think that I'm cherry picking propaganda

[@joseg3102]

I had an existential crisis a while back as I came to the realization that I am merely a product of what I've been taught. Got depressed for months on it as I felt like I wasn't myself. I may just be ME due to someone else's ideas. . . kinda scary I guess to think of us being a vessel for ideas

[@joseg3102]

Eventually I decided to question everything and only use lessons, morals and habits i seem necessary for my growth. Easier said than done though.

[@BoomBustProfits]

“The course of history is determined by ideas & people acting on ideas, be they good or bad, true or false. The current mess is also the result of ideas…” ~ H.H.Hoppe (someone Lex should, but NEVER would, have on his podcast, This is also the reason WHY there is so much propaganda by the control freaks - ideas inevitably control how people act…and the course of history.

[@quitequiet5281]

Incredible truth both obvious once mentioned and totally ignored... Culture Stockholm syndrome everywhere... Acceptance is empowering because knowledge is power.

[@dropdead_red]

Hearing Grimes speak is like hearing my own mind in its fast and free space, before it remembers to filter, and reconfigure everything to enable greater understanding and digestibility for the people around me. Not because I’m smarter than anyone, but because the strange stares, questioning laughs, or blunt “wtf’s” over my lifetime tell me I need to really focus on the perception of the other, especially if back and fourth conversation is the aim. Hearing Grimes speak so humble and free was incredibly endearing, interesting, and for myself it’s been a liberating moment that I hope to consciously utilize.

[@adswers6900]

yeah your rambling sound just like her rambling, or any other drug addicts rambling

[@msg733]

me too

[@mellow_frequencies]

Appreciate this conversation a lot! 🙏🏻 Also the quote at the very end was really fascinating 💜

[@gumzy3000]

That idea of working on your creative muscle and not being afraid of failure as that makes you grow is so profound. We will fail several times but only that will grow our creativity. Lover her - she is a true original in my opinion.

[@uisato_]

Totally agree with Grimes. Trying to make meaningful music by yourself nowadays is one of the most difficult and underrated forms of art there is: it demands of you to become a composer, arranger, producer, mixing engineer, mastering engineer, designer, videographer, editor, VFX artist, marketing strategist, copywriter. And all of that trying to maintain a certain level of eloquence and mental sanity. [And of course, obtaining the tools and resourses that'll make the journey possible to you.] That's why if you happen to enjoy the work of a fellow artist, you must support it. [In whatever way you find possible, it doesn't always have to be money. On a personal level, I happen to deeply enjoy an unexpected loving message from a kind internaut. Makes my soul burst in joy.]

[@JamesJessenfedden]

What am I missing here? Are you talking about a particular genre of music?

[@uisato_]

@@JamesJessenfedden Not necessarily. I'm referring to music that has a certain level of novelty and emotion attached to it. Music that hides a search for something deeper, as opposed to the results of concatenating sounds to get "rich" or achieve "fame".

[@JamesJessenfedden]

@@uisato_ Yeah, I guess that’s what I’m not understanding. The end result of the music you are describing; is that not possible to do with simple instrumentation and vocals?

[@uisato_]

​@@JamesJessenfedden I understand but unfortunately, that's not enough nowadays. I mean, you can have one of the greatest musical compositions of all time sitting on your streaming platforms, and still be heard by virtually no one. I have more examples of these kinds of situations that I'd like to admit: totally mesmerizing compositions [composed, produced, mixed, and mastered by the very same person] that due to lack of the rest of the things I've mentioned, get almost unnoticed. You might say that's not redundant to the point you're trying to make, but if you spent years/months of your life trying to bring sonic beauty to this world, chances are you'd love to hear your creations flowrish in the minds of fellow humans.

[@oneservant]

Kind of like being an indie game designer for how many hats you need to wear.

[@TheHappyCaravan]

The media paints her as a weirdo but she is a very intelligent down to earth lady! I listened to this entire interview and learned a lot and was inspired!

[@josephwait7384]

Us weirdos are typically very proud to be weird. In fact the majority of weirdos I know are highly intelligent...albeit with differing levels of down to earthness. So yeah...don't take away her weirdo crown...we like that she's part of our weirdo club. It's why she's interesting.

[@fortyozsteak]

Refreshing and exciting conversation I very much enjoyed it

[@iamra8826]

I've been a huge fan of hers for 10 years

[@xebs4527]

Most of the very intelligent are weirdo's. That's not saying it in a bad way.

[@hawaiimommy5912]

What show was she talking about when she mentioned todoro? I couldn't find anything in Google. I don't think I'm spelling it right

[@justinbeswick1]

Such a great interview and so good to have these long interactions which allow one to get a far better understanding of people than what we can get from just seeing snippets of their thoughts/behaviours through social media etc

[@designerpharmaceuticals8463]

this is my new favorite interview. thank you for letting her speak and express herself without any judgement at all. I’ve always known grimes was super talented and intelligent and I love how she’s so optimistic about life. this interview was great from start to finish.

[@jkjkjkkjkjk]

You call her intelligent?... She says some objectively unintelligent things in this interview..

[@friv_0881]

@@jkjkjkkjkjk A bunch of word salad and flawed, directly conflicting ideas. Very similar to Elon speaking. An abundance of intelligent sounding "buzz words", but not ultimately saying anything of real substance or value when you actually break it down and analyze it. It feels a lot like "the emperor's new clothes" scenario; where the general public don't quite understand or make sense of what the celebrity is saying as logically sound, but because it sounds pseudo intelligent and they don't want to be seen as not understanding/"getting it"; people just agree and praise it as being profound and highly intelligent so as not to embarrass themselves or be left out.

[@giuseppevella9501]

She’s promoting Elon Musks brain chip and future vision of connecting us all to the internet and AI via our brains.... No thank you

[@friv_0881]

@@giuseppevella9501 All of the neuroscientists or professionals in the field that I have talked to are highly skeptical and suspicious of what Musk is doing and "claiming" to do with Neuralink. His last open press demo has been thoroughly debunked with ample shadiness questioned.

[@vanessac1965]

It took an intellectual like him to recognize and treat her as an intellectual. An interview worthy of her mind. Thank you.

[@breahjade]

Agreed

[@user-ru5jy5lr4g]

😆😅🤣😂😆😅🤣😂

[@ten-dimensional]

I don't think Elon would be ok with anything less.

[@kamcat2901]

@@ten-dimensional that's funny

[@cockus123]

She’s not smart, she worships ai. That’s low self esteem & confidence issues. She’s mentally Ill

[@karmanthesinger]

The totoro thing was almost completely identical to my experience as a 2 year old. I watched it in Japanese with no subtitles as a child all the time. I still own my old totoro pillow that came with the DVD. Children are more intelligent than current children's media gives them credit for.

[@eudaldvidalcodony7089]

This is one of the best interviews I've ever seen

[@joshuasethhill3518]

Listening to Grimes talk is like the best version of talking to someone smart at a festival late at night when everyone is ...thinking 'happy' or 'unconventional' thoughts.

[@ljohnson7124]

Exactly!! Nailed it

[@artseye00]

Cheers Family🤙😉

[@hallio111]

yeah. like when youre wasted that much you can't listen to anything complex anymore and someone comes up and just talks very low key californian gurl like with a touch of mike tyson lisp.

[@ethereal369]

@@hallio111 🤣 🤣 🤣

[@BB-mq9qk]

A whole lotta rubbish sprinkled with “truth” here and there.😂

[@brah04X]

Grimes is amazing! Authenticity and creativity personified. I'm so happy to have her voice among all the other chatter and clutter of our time.

[@pltechs]

I jumped into this one with little expectations and boy was I hooked. She is well read, imaginative, balanced and optimistic. Very interesting thoughts and inputs that got me inspired.

[@heidefeldman1760]

She makes me feel as though I would like to restart my life at 63 into a new dimension vs retirement of the old sorts.

[@matthiass7760]

"Optimism is often confused with naivete." It's sad to see people looking at others that way but I do think that's very real and happening to a lot of people.

[@rswindol]

There's definitely a fine line between them.

[@steveflorida8699]

Optimism is the sunrise which motivates individuals to better their nature, and collectively advance society.

[@FRAGIL]

Optimist and Naivete Cynicism and Wisdom Moderation and Ideology

[@GlitchDaddy]

They just did the best Grimes interview ever 😊

[@mhammedben]

Grimes and Lex thank you for this conversation very interesting

[@bubthe1Nonlyseal]

What an awesome thought provoking conversation! I didn’t know Grime has such a deep personality, very interesting to hear her share thoughts and ideas.

[@Ruby_Spacek]

It’s awesome hearing grimes get the kind of questions she deserves and to hear her wonderful thoughtful responses

[@adswers6900]

yeah its awesome to hear junkie fantasies xD

[@gusgrizzel8397]

@@adswers6900 It's another miley cyrus.

[@adswers6900]

​@@gusgrizzel8397 definetly not. miley cyrus "drug outings" were pretty small, just like justin biebers and both while the were quite younger. besides, miley cyrus actualy is quite an empowering role model, while she is still 5 years younger

[@adswers6900]

@@gusgrizzel8397 grimes biggest succes was marrying. she thanks her music carrier to drugs and advocates them with her child, olens musk

[@gusgrizzel8397]

@@adswers6900 Not someone admirable to me at all.

[@cydbott]

Also Nahko has a wonderful lyric- "don't waste your hate, rather gather and create. Be of service, be a sensible person, use your words and don't be nervous. You can do this, you've got purpose. Find your medicine and use it."

[@-Cybin]

Lmao

[@jasongael]

Nahko Bear! Met the band in Honolulu airport randomly due to lack of available seating and eventually figured out they were a band and checked out their music later and it quickly became a favorite

[@jasongael]

Please tell me you and Grimes both have watched Jodorowsky’s Dune ?

[@PaxiusLV]

Random thanks from me, for making me google Nahko. Cant stop listening now.

[@alexcaminiti]

Don't mean to troll, but when it comes to Nahko... I just... No. I can't. He is so characteristic, stereotypical, if you will, of the 21st century unoriginal opportunistic poser who epitomizes what Jaron Lanier describes as the stasis of music from the late 90s until today. Quoting from You Are Not A Gadget: "Popular music created in the industrialized world in the decade from the late 1990s to the late 2000s doesn't have a distinct style-that is, one that would provide an identity for the young people who grew up with it. The process of the reinvention of life through music appears to have stopped." His music is bland, has no place in the history of recorded music because it's painfully derivative and eschews original thought and musical style in favor of hippie dippy tropes, and thus serves no real purpose other than playing dress up with an entourage at festivals for people rolling on molly cut with gas station drugs. He is a caricature of everything the modern liberal is, essentially representing some bizarrely strange reality denial that is omnipresent and damaging to society because it promotes meaninglessness in a confused society which seeks true meaning and real connection. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul😅

[@laurazaparanuk5366]

Interesting conversation.Thank you both❣️

[@robinburkart6445]

As always a very interesting conversation, you always bring up things I would never have thought of.

[@blacklilkitten]

i love hearing grimes speak bc its exactly the way I talk. the constant unfinished sentences and going off tangents really validates my adhd lol i use to be very self conscious about it because i really struggle to articulate my thoughts properly and it makes me feel a lot better seeing grimes doing podcasts like these where the person actually respects and listens to her despite how 'chaotic' she might come off. :')

[@whitepouch0904]

Same 😂

[@naomirayo3870]

🥺

[@jamesrobinson7375]

I just communicate and understand better like that to the point where I didn't even notice she was doing it.

[@leoshork]

Omg that's exactly me. I'm 99% sure I have ADHD and to be honest I want to fully embrace it. I probably loved this interview long before suspecting to have it for this exact reason

[@theluckyproject8044]

It may seem "chaotic" at the surface, but I feel that if you follow her sentences, even thru one response to several following ones, she usually makes a concise, relevant point, and finishes off thoughts. Really that just describes hearing an intelligent person speak. The "everyperson" demeanor and ADHD mannerisms thinly disguise a brilliant and powerful human.

[@monochromedout]

All time line when Lex mentions the time and she says, "sorry, I think I'm like 8 hours late." Lex retorting with "you were right on time" fit the situation and guest perfectly.

[@amandapratt7079]

I loved that

[@marijamihailova7627]

Absolutely.

[@annxsphie]

Thank you "Grimes" and Lex for sharing this conversation. I appreciate the open and authentic answers to very challenging / personal questions. Waht an intelligent woman! Super inspiring. Now I am an even bigger fan of C.E. Boucher than I am of Grimes

[@aaammm1226]

An hour into this gem & loving it. Her perspective on motherhood is refreshing and goes against my typical stance. Humans have a proclivity for negatively and so much of what we're fed on a daily basis reinforces this to the extent that sometimes it's hard to see a future where humanity perseveres instead of dealing with the fallout of our inaction of caring for our planet. (I work in the environmental sector)

[@deadboybeats1]

This is probably her best interview, her mind is amazing

[@adswers6900]

ja amazing how she is not comatose. normaly this amount of drugs would lead to coma

[@lilyred5267]

It was fully new perspectives and q window into a true creative mind

[@thoticcusprime9309]

@@lilyred5267 not creative at all to me

[@getthekool1758]

@@lilyred5267 Not creatve. They have their agenda. Same old agenda to enslave society. What amazes me is the alienation people got into.

[@Kelbalam]

Grimes needs to start a bookclub ASAP

[@heavenwasfool]

100 percent

[@floraluxla]

This conversation was so delicious and engaging. Grimes rules. Thanks for a great episode, Lex!

[@ephraimkalubi8740]

One the BEST Fridman Episodes EVER. (Was not expecting the conversation to go that far and that deep) . just amazing. Also , great admiration for Grimes! Her mind is just AMAZING.

[@PsycHeal]

I was not expecting this! Lex has the most interesting and diverse range of people in his podcasts. Can't imagine what the collection will look like years from now

[@donaldcharles3331]

Its cuz hes a part of the iluminati.

[@johnebrecht1656]

💯

[@johnebrecht1656]

💯💯 to the original post @psychhealth

[@John-ru4gz]

This was his worst guest in a long time.

[@sprinter1boy]

Excellent discussion, wasn't expecting how well she came across as it's the 1st time I've heard her really outside of music. I think she came across as very normal but the people who think she's weird are not normal and just dull sheep.

[@gbone1174]

Had no idea grimes was so interesting such a good conversation

[@myanoel0]

As much as some of the things she says is odd or I personally find "out there," I love her outlook on life as whole and actually, I've grown to respect her more from this interview. Her view of motherhood is very touching. Thank you Lex.

[@martenhillbom2460]

Fourth time listening to this episode and i'm discovering new things every time. Topics, sentences or words that i didn't experience the same way as i did the last time i listened. Thank you!

[@amiax]

"art is joining the conversation of all the artists across the world and time and running it through your own algorithm" (paraphrased) this woman is a genius.

[@nt9476]

She is extremely interesting and sweet. However I don’t know if she would have the discipline to do things that are hard. She’s very childlike and creative.

[@robosing225]

@@nt9476 Agreed

[@martinabuckley6037]

@@nt9476 BOO! She's a mother! When does housing a life inside of you for 9 months THEN BIRTHING THE TRANSITION OF LIFE EN UTERO TO THIS DIMENSION ever get the actual factual respect it's due? I don't know you so I Can't begin to discount your abilities, lol you claimed that as if you have the right or the credentials to discredit this Goddess.

[@nt9476]

@@martinabuckley6037 Plenty of women give birth. You don’t need to be a Goddess to do so. As I said, I think she is highly intelligent but I don’t know if she would have the discipline to do really hard things. Some people are not wired for that. Musk on the other hand is exactly wired for doing the hard things.

[@martinabuckley6037]

@@nt9476 that sounds more like innuendo. And your still downplaying, discounting, discrediting and distracting. And, NO not everyone is HARD and soft wired to "mommy" either. So much dark crap happens to kids who were born into hard situations or ....people who were not wired to mommy. Lots and lots of people have abortions because their life is obviously so bad they can't possibly give birth. SO NO, not just anyone can actually mother! What you REALLY MEAN IS, anyone can get pregnant, but it takes a special loving, caring selfless entity to nurture patiently.

[@BehindtheBrand]

Lex, your interviewing skills are really improving and I love watching your progress in this space. Tim Ferriss in a recent Tweet even acquiesced to you being the dominant thoughtful voice in space. Congrats on all the success, I'm cheering you on from my studio in Los Angeles. Keep Going!

[@cregenda]

"In space" or "in this space"? Can you link the tweet?

[@AureliusD937]

I noticed Lex was very relaxed in this one and was able to keep it flowing and filled in the blanks seamlessly. Masterclass

[@jedicouncilelonmusk]

Yeah.. ya know he simplifies the questioning conversation contextually.. it's brilliant

[@KarlMarxFanClub]

How’d this right wing propaganda end up in my feed? Dafaq

[@jedicouncilelonmusk]

@@KarlMarxFanClub it's not there.. it's just not real. Or you..

[@elephantintheroom-francois494]

I think these 2 have loadsa chemistry!! 💞

[@STEAMLabDenver]

I was pleasantly surprised by this interview. Great questions! I recently took a job as a STEAM teacher and I love it but it can be challenging to teach in a public school system because of all the constraints. Sadly, kids are so institutionalized that when you give them the freedom to create and design they freak out and want you to tell them what to do. It’s hard to teach productive struggle because they get so frustrated. I can connect to what Grimes was talking about when it comes to education. There are some of us teachers that are trying to break the system from within. There are better ways for sure. We just finished a unit on digital literacy and I agree with Grimes that these are important things that need to be taught in schools. We had a debate on AI which was fun to watch. A lot of kids had negative views about it at first. I think most of them walked away with a more balanced and educated perspective. Anyway, this interview was great!

[@phyyl]

I get a weird kind of vertigo listening to these subjects being discussed. As I programmer I feel like I have a non-zero impact on the world when I come up with a solution to a problem, but I also feel so small and insignificant when I look at the history being us and everything that needs to be built to get us to a brighter future. It kind of makes me realize how important it is to work together because we can't really accomplish anything on our own

[@azubyte]

I am not a programmer, but i have felt that way about life during different times. We are all cogs in the giant wheel and we all build upon what has come before while simultaneously trying to imagine and build the ideal future. You may feel insignificant, but none of us could exist without the collective effort we all give… whether it is in a career outside the house or as a stay at home parent/grandparent etc. As I get older, i realize that everyone makes a wonderful difference to the loved ones, coworkers, friends, strangers and animals in their lives. Every interaction you have with another living thing can be a measure of how the world will look back at your life and be so grateful you were a part of it. That is one of the reasons I resonate so much with Lex, Love really is the answer to it all….let it permeate your life and radiate, even when you don’t feel like it and it will boomerang and bless you like nothing else could. I gave up my “career” as a geologist to stay home with my kids, we struggle and gave up a lot “monetarily”, gut I have been blessed to have great role models who taught us to live frugally and enjoy the little things. I am much more fulfilled in that regard….but it took me awhile b/c what you see on TV in our society is that value is often assigned by how much you make or how much you have accomplished in a career. God has made us unique, given us each a gift and dreams. He put you here at this time with your skills, heart and desires to leave the world better than you found it. But the important thing is you can only do it one day at a time.

[@markmraven]

I was NOT expecting a quote from Terence McKenna! That was a very cool, for me. And then, that thing about diversity of thought - made things connect for me in the Tower of Babel story that I never connected before. Usually, podcasts have specialists on, but Grimes was really great at making connections across seemingly unrelated topics.

[@markmraven]

@AntiCringe He did a really shitty job because he promoted education on inspired artists, philosophers, psychologists, scientists - as well as, research programs, rare plants, obscure religion - not only that, but he was an excellent storyteller, philosopher, and psychedelic traveler.

[@getthekool1758]

Marxist Technocracy and slavery are not cool.

[@markmraven]

@@getthekool1758 Oh, sorry. I didn't realize anti-Marxists were also anti-slavery. Which page of the history books is that on?

[@360Fov]

She was SO excited share her info on the microphone and Cloudlifter...then having Lex say C is very dangerous 'because of all the pointers'....sign of an incredible podcast!

[@mshadow2]

"It's just, when you Kill things, you often end up killing yourself" (50:37) Common sense yet so profound! "Don't Kill What You Hate, Save What You Love" Revolution!

[@georgetterobinson01]

I find Lex's voice oddly comforting, lol it might sound weird but his voice i could literally fall asleep listening to.

[@k8eekatt]

I think he might say the same thing about the sound of his voice

[@Rex69Rutherford]

LOL Listen to him at 6:15 to 6:25

[@baldergems627]

Brian Cox also haha

[@barbaranorton3096]

I know...right? I wish he would make one of those sleep meditation videos.

[@adamsmith-gx9nv]

I regularly do

[@tamarakuhn1634]

Grimes reads Terrance McKenna quote 1:03:20 “Nature loves courage. You make the commitment and nature will respond to that commitment by removing impossible obstacles. Dream the impossible dream and the world will not grind you under, it will lift you up. This is the trick. This is what all the teachers and philosophers who really counted, who really touched the alchemical gold, this is what they understood. This is the shamanic dance in the waterfall. This is how magic is done by hurling yourself into the abyss and discovering it’s a feather bed.”

[@umad7796]

You would die one day into a jungle trip....

[@extremeencounter7458]

Insane, I’ve picked up that generally the universe grants you the pathway to success, and that even the hardships are disguised as helpful devices later down the line. The illusion of reality is so well woven into life, it sounds crazy to even mention what’s really going on.

[@mjj7781]

Every maniac on a ego trip also thinks the essence of this

[@extremeencounter7458]

@@mjj7781 What you said is completely antithetical to the presented point, bad bait.

[@getthekool1758]

Real courage is being erased by green propaganda. Would you like to be enslaved and loose your civil rights and liberties? Because their "obstacle" are us, our essence and free will. Do your own research on technocracy and the consequences of mass surveillance capitalism.

[@Jonnaberg]

I’m blown away by her insight and perspective. Much respect!

[@stadiagamer9689]

Grimes is cool! Thank you for being here with us.

[@khyaamhaque]

Lex always matching his guest’s energy! I had not known much about Grimes outside her music and AI Lullaby but man this conversation was fantastic. She’s awesome!

[@jonahtran1]

Lex always matching his guests energy… did you watch the one with Jack wilink? 😂

[@michaelg1569]

I believe Elon said she is the most creative person he has ever met. That’s pretty awesome.

[@eat_apples3270]

Also she is a mother of a toddler and a baby, she's put them both to bed and come out to work at midnight. Absolutely incredible to have that energy. I have 3 children and I'm asleep by 9pm regularly!

[@jumpingoutofairplanesmentality]

Untru, unlike Chimes Lex aont running Marx.exe 😵🤯👈

[@crossfitbilly]

This interview completely changed my incorrect, preconceived, notion of who I thought Grimes was. Lex, I am so glad that you are you, and you gave Grimes the opportunity to reveal her beautiful mind and her wonderful outlook on life and the future.

[@electraruby4078]

crossfitbilly. Me too. Completely altered my prejudices.

[@janelwilliams9144]

Meee threee guys, wow did I have her wrong...what a lovely, gentle and brilliant woman!! Thanks Lex, as usual💜

[@marciabosteder5682]

Me too.. she's cool and smart

[@marinevans7080]

Yes, I truly had know idea that she had such expansive, thoughtful views and clearly a love for learning and studying. Another fine interview by Lex and intriguing conversation overall 🙂

[@marinevans7080]

Yes, I truly had know idea that she had such expansive, thoughtful views and clearly a love for learning and studying. Another fine interview by Lex and intriguing conversation overall 🙂

[@ajs1998]

I had written off Grimes and never really gave her a chance to seem interesting to me. Man, this episode really changed that. I share more with her than I do with most people in my life. I very much live in my own head and absolutely love life and love learning. And her views on how technology has changed, is changing, and will change the world 100% match with my beliefs. What an interesting person, and what an interesting episode. Thank you both!

[@avedic]

She's great. Why? Because there is NO ONE like her. She's a very unique idiosyncratic human being. Those are my favorite kind of people. I first found her around 2010 with her music....which I just adored. Look up her music video for her song Realiti. It's still one of my favorite songs....ever. Seriously. It's that good. But her as a human? I'm glad she exists.

[@benjamin_meyer]

At 2:01:03, Lex says "You're doing a lot of really good book recommendations here." Here are the timestamps of books that were mentioned. 26:47 - Ian Banks - Surface Detail 1:00:45 - Harlan Ellison - I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream 1:48:25 - William L. Shirer - Rise and Fall of the Third Reich 2:01:00 - James Lovelock - Novacene: The Coming Age of Hyperintelligence

[@sharonaovrahim4102]

thank you!! this is what ive been scouring the comments for!

[@__Jessica___]

I was going to compile this for myself- thank you 🙏

[@mindsigh4]

thanks, also she paraphrased Buckminster Fuller, don't try to destroy the old bad models, render them obsolete with better models. & from starwars 8, "don't kill what you hate, save what you love."

[@offgridfarmportugal]

thanks!

[@blushresponse7172]

Oh wow thank you. I was searching for this. She might also have mentioned some short stories? I didn't catch it.

[@anomaloushappenings4904]

Thank you both. Sincerely. This was not just creatively invigorating, but unexplainably uplifting and spiritually rejuvenating.

[@tbonesteak1481]

the synergy here was amazing

[@jitkaharazimova2714]

It was great podcast. Grimes is really interesting being as Lex is too. So happy to see Grimes from this perpective, 2 hours podcast which is honest and truly curious about her and her opinions. LOVE IT, THANK YOU

[@philmathieson8970]

Lex love your work! This chat with Grimes was refreshing and interesting for me, I am a 60 year old man and a partner in a consultancy firm with 30 employees and what I heard here refreshes my respect for the younger generations! I have embraced the blockchain for its fairness and the positive change it it will bring to the world, I hope one day it removes the middle man so that artists can be truly creative and rewarded as such Blockchain has already revolutionised thinking and it's unstoppable now! I want to assure you both that old folks in politics today are not representative of all us older folk, they are driven by votes, myself personally am driven by what is right and fair to all which includes the environment. Rest assured there are many older advocates in the world for young people needing support, keep up the good work! and let's get University education free again!

[@fleursdelilas9487]

She seems so passionate about what she's talking about. That's inspiring

[@Jack.Strait]

Grimes is such an endearingly unusual and intelligent person. Makes me very sad that the internet is overwhelmingly at odds with her.

[@Roswell33]

I think only because of Musk and her backing up Lizzo after the abuse claims? Oh someone below said she applied for and recieved an art grant of 90 grand while with Musk and her family is rich, that's pretty bad as much as I love her brain and art

[@Jack.Strait]

@@Roswell33 Lol shouldn't we admire her for not relying on nepotism for her success? Really, I think people are just at her throat because she's demonstrated that she's not in perfect alignment with pc politics. Edit: I should also add--you and I both know how angry people online would be if she revealed that Musk had funded all her most recent projects

[@Roswell33]

@@Jack.Strait I'm pretty sure she's been rich for ages now and people who don't have a rich family could do with the money more than her!

[@JonathanPlasse]

Thank you for this conversation

[@pablopablo2894]

What a beautiful conversation between two beautiful minds. Thank you for having this conversation and sharing it with us.

[@ajafischer5919]

“Don’t kill what you hate save what you love” - great point. Love the idea of a motherhood dow and social good profit. Really enjoyed hearing her thoughts, she’s a fascinating creative.

[@yellowdressbookstore6602]

48:28 💞

[@yellowdressbookstore6602]

48:50 🤗🥰

[@liites7730]

what if the kid has 2 parents tho 🤔

[@geekyvrgen4748]

What if the thing you hate is killing the thing you love? 🤔

[@yellowdressbookstore6602]

@@geekyvrgen4748 Build an environment out of love where the other cannot exist

[@thevancave]

Grimes .. no idea who you are, but seeing you here with Lex as an equal gives me hope for humanity's future. We need this. Thank you.

[@joemanning90]

This gave me the complete opposite of hope for humanity

[@nvandermark3517]

Grimes gave birth to Elon Musk's children.

[@alexanderthaler3584]

"Let's go to some dark questions" This is why I love Lex

[@virgopsych2168]

I appreciate Grime's expression authenticity throughout the interview, while, in my opinion, displaying respectful boundaries for herself, her children, and Elon.

[@adswers6900]

of course. what do you think about her being a junkie ? do you think that is respectful to her children ? how much time is she and olen spending with their children ? definetly way less than their nannies. grow up zombie

[@draganamac8369]

How about respecting other people"s desire not to become cyborgs?

[@Curiousnessify]

@@draganamac8369 you will become cyborgs and you will like it - klaus schwab

[@adswers6900]

@@Curiousnessify ehm no. - me

[@catherinescarvey2475]

Elon said they're not together now

[@tamarakuhn1634]

“When you kill things you often end up killing yourself.” ~Grimes

[@adswers6900]

wow, so much nonesense in just one sentence. classic junkie

[@npoudre]

She's a genius

[@adswers6900]

@@npoudre you too buddy. you all are geniuses. go and get your genius trophy for participating.

[@thoticcusprime9309]

@@npoudre nah shes not

[@getthekool1758]

@@npoudre Why? What about researching technocrat movement and what they want from society?

[@mariobudal8850]

So glad to hear someone else say they feel like a different person with everybody they talk with. I've always thought that, but never heard anybody else agree.

[@aplaceforthelonely]

I'm new to Lex but it's badass to see him interview her

[@tinotibaldo]

Lex, I can tell you're tired 😴, still you managed to guide the conversation, and allowing Grimes to expand on very interesting stuff. Truly inspiring. I'll just be too grumpy in your position to work properly lol. Cheers mate. 🌟✨

[@3tommi]

I love this interview. I've never seen another one with her that she's able to just talk and show her true self.

[@halfstep44]

when she did the interview with nardwaur he got her to open up

[@vickywilliams3648]

Thanks both for this insightful interview ❤

[@vinverity]

This was an amazing listen

[@ronnicoll1122]

I have only watched 10 minutes and realized I judged a book by its cover. Grimes is awesome!!!

[@yassver]

So is the cover awesome?

[@gregsmith6139]

Gross

[@nadinetasmania]

Very interesting woman

[@shaesmith213]

Same!

[@ivankuljis1780]

@Ron Nicoll Boy was l wrong about this individual___

[@agnesberes4084]

Lex's interviews are amazing!Never seen anyone who listens this intensely. Also Grimes comes off as a very authentic person.

[@vsanden]

Yes, refreshing, charming, optimistic qualities that sets her apart.

[@151Phace]

What did you expect her to come off as? Her only claim to fame is sleeping with Elon musk. She doesn't have any achievements notable other than that

[@magnus_mode]

@@151Phace Her claim to fame is over a decade of musical innovation. Knowing her work would suggest a perhaps inapproachable mind. This is not the case. I'm fascinated you made such a staggeringly uninformed statement.

[@JulianKeniryGreen]

​@@magnus_modeAgreed. Amen. Thank you.

[@F2PARTIES]

She’s a yoko ohno . Wannabe avant- guard . Pretentious amateurs musician@@magnus_mode