Ka-50 Kamov Black Shark 3: Igla Missiles, MLWS, INS & More Guide | DCS

[@tonymarcella13]

Worth noting that Ctrl+W when the engines are off opens up all the maintenance panels. Pretty cool!

[@draeath]

... can you start up and fly with them open?

[@grimreapers]

thx

[@c.g.262]

The defense system will also pick up heat from any missile in the area and dispense flares. So, very helpful against MANPADS. - Starscream.

[@heatblast876]

Yeah, because he was kill by the group of human especially Sam, lennox, lennox army and Carly I don't know about her, by putting the boomstick on the eye and he got haywire. And soon he able to destroy an F22 raptors transformers.

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

I have defeated Starscream in the past...

[@flachwassertaucher9684]

Hi CAP, about those 2x 30 sec on the IGLA, there are 2 small bottles of coolant for each missile, if you arm it, the seal on one of them is broken and can´t be resealed again. If you reset it with more than 30 seconds left, the second bottle is spared and can be used later.

[@92HazelMocha]

Iirc Stinger missiles are very similar, you only have about a minute to use them before the seeker goes dead. Think it's just a limitation of manpads in general.

[@Ironwulf2000]

@@92HazelMocha The difference is with a manpad, you can simply put another canister on it, and its good to go again, you cannot do that mid-flight

[@grimreapers]

Thanks!

[@sandman11]

Very happy that ED invested the time in her. It’s always been a favorite of mine.

[@iyhan1987]

Hey, Cap! 5:58 НАКОЛИ НИП stands for INITIATE(literal translation is PUNCTURE though) GPS(ground power supply), Igla is originally a MANPAD, that's why it's GROUND power supply I guess. After you press weapon release button for the first time it will disappear. ИГЛА - just Russian word for Igla (Igla translates as Needle btw) ЗПС - Abbreviation for "rear hemisphere", it means you are going to attack enemy which is cold on you. ППС - Abbreviation for "front hemisphere", it means you are going to attack enemy which is hot on you. You can switch ЗПС and ППС by pressing A\A HO button

[@draeath]

When you say rear/front cold/hot, you mean facing away from your ship / facing towards your ship? (Someone else noted that "puncture" fits well, because the coolant bottle's seal is punctured.)

[@iyhan1987]

@@draeath yes

[@iyhan1987]

@@draeath puncture fits well to what is happening, but not how it is called. Puncture ground power supply sounds weird

[@draeath]

@@iyhan1987 Is it actually a phrase, or two independent words in proximity as you often see on instrument panels?

[@iyhan1987]

@@draeath I assume it is. It behaves as single phase, appers and disappears as a single one

[@marlboro9tibike]

Nice visuals. Ka-50 is definitely my favourite module.

[@tmting4942]

and about the Alignment, IIRC, after Caging, and a coarse & fine Leveling of the Gyro-Platform to the horizon (sensing the Earth's Gravity by Accelerometers), the INU can perform Alignment for one of three HSI headings switch position : 1- Magnetic (slaved-gyro)"MK", sensing the Earth's Electro-Magnetic Field by Flux Valve. 2- True (gyro-compass)"ГПК", sensing the Earth's Rotation by Accelerometers. 3- Grid (directional-gyro)"3K", slewing the HSI card to the desired heading manually after computing & adding the GRIVATION to the RUNAWY's Magnetic Heading (assuming lined up with centerline), this mode should be used @ High LATITUDE above 60° when the Earth's Rotation is too slow to be sensed, & the Earth's Electro-Magnetic Field dip vertically and become unreliable. the question with this 3rd mode is how to put manually the computed heading❔ well, after cross-checking some similarities of digital CDU Vids on YT, my guess would be as follows: Flinck the heading switch to manual mode > Dial PVI-800 MSU to ENTER > Push the TrueHead/Time/Dis button, input a three-digit number of heading in the upper display window, and press the yellow Enter button > Press Normal or Precise Align button & waiting for it to turn-off, the Lower Display Window shows the minutes remaining until finish alignment > the HSI start turn to the entered heading (speed of rotation depend on Normal or Precise Alignment) > then back the MSU to NAV & Fly. While flying under Manual Heading mode, bear in mind the Directional-Gyro suffer from Drifts, to counter them you should update the Latitude Corrector (North or South) & the Magnetic Deviation Compensator Knobs as necessary, and these value could be taken from ABRIS (for both) NAV ⇾ MAP ⇾ INFO ⇾ then check MRK & DECL infos, or Present Position Button “φ/λ” on PVI-800 (just for Latitude). check ATT IRS mode part : kzbin.info/www/bejne/m6jclXWCl5elnck

[@grimreapers]

Thanks!

[@oldmanfunky4909]

In reality 1 and a half kilo of explosive does a lot more damage than you think.

[@Fiztex553]

It's a bit of luck where the projectiles will go after this thing explodes too. In DCS shooting down a helicopter with manpads is ridiculously difficult if it is dispensing flares, so I'd better go with a long burst from a sniping gun against air targets than this missile.

[@92HazelMocha]

@@Fiztex553 irl they should go for the engine since that's what the heat source is, however in DCS they just go for the aircraft as a whole resulting in non-lethal hits. Igla will down fixed wing aircraft in DCS pretty much every time, but right now Vikhrs are much better for shooting down enemy helos.

[@Fiztex553]

@@92HazelMocha The tracking system will bring the missile close to the engine, but then it's all just up to a contact fuse (most manpads have contact fuse, Igla is actually an exception having also magnetic fuse besides a contact one) and there's a lot of luck connected to it. Based on images from Ukraine we often see manpads hitting the pylon, the wing, tail or whatever was in the way of it getting to the exhaust, and sometimes they just miss it at all or even fail to explode, unfortunately this all is not modelled in DCS, missiles indeed just go for a center of mass somehow with some spread around the aircraft, and then there is a chance for it to go for a flare depending on some "temperature" difference. And it always explodes, which is not very realistic for a contact fuse 🙂 Also, all IR missiles in DCS somehow seem to have proximity fuses (in SP only AFAIK) making them extremely dangerous. On the other hand, having the temperature of the helicopter exhaust much lower than the temperature of the flare, it almost always does go for flares in the sim, especially on the initial stage of the launch - this way it balances a bit of manpads behaviour. My 9Xs were beaten so many times by some AI Hinds or Mi8s, it's not even funny, I always gun AI helicopters in DCS because of this.

[@92HazelMocha]

@@Fiztex553 Yeah they really need to rework short range fox2's; aim9x and most modern fox's have great flare rejection built in, and the proxy fuzes (which I actually didn't know about until right now) could even be the reason that the damage manpads do to helo's is so low. Tbh that goes for the thermal signatures of aircraft as a whole in dcs, targeting the center of mass of helo's and not modeling heat on the aircraft fuselage due to friction. I was hoping to see some of this in 2.8, but I'll guess we'll have to wait.

[@Nerb1]

FYI the abris can just be in nav mode and the mws still overlays. Its a great new feature. Also, the windscreen wiper does nothing in the rain :(

[@grimreapers]

thx

[@Nerb1]

@@grimreapers I also just noticed that the vikhr missile tubes dont open when the missile has been fired. Better tell the boss!

[@TiramisuCorleone]

This is the best comparison I could find. Thanks!

[@damonried1720]

Cap: "Rather than me yapping..." Subscribers: We come here to hear our favorite British bloke YAP!

[@grimreapers]

lols

[@richardhockey8442]

countermeasures for a laser guided missile: a large cloud of IR/UV opaque smoke for tanks, deployed by the smoke grenade launchers. For helicopters, no such luck, find the nearest hard cover and put it between you and the laser source.

[@Fiztex553]

Normally, maneuvering works against ATGMs shot by the AI the best, as they are not designed to hit an airborne maneuvering target. Even flanking will do most of the time, so having the direction of attack in such details as BS3 MWS provide is great. Won't work against people though as a smart thing to do though is to guide a missile close to the target first and start illuminating the target itself only a couple seconds before it hits leaving enemy no time to react. I was hitting straight moving Sharks with laser mavericks like that - tricky, but still possible in no threat environment, lots of fun 🙂 Not sure it will work with Vikhr though, as the tracking system is quite different.

[@draeath]

@@Fiztex553 Not sure how the mavericks work. Aren't the Vikhr beam-riders? They're not chasing a dot, but steering by looking backwards toward the launcher and trying to steer into the direction it's lasing?

[@Fiztex553]

@@draeath You are guessing right, maverick has a seeker in the head and follows a point, when Vikhr has it in the back and doing spirals around the beam trying to understand it's position in the laser cone. That's why Vikhr doesn't care much about smoke cover and will still fly where you point it, but Vikhr targeting process illuminates many things around the target (so called laser cone) giving them a warning about illumination if they have such system installed.

[@emerald_pollex01]

Smoke? Isn't the last rocket on the list of rockets you can load with illumination smoke grenades? You technically use them to make it easier for other players to find what needs to be killed but I wonder if they interfere with lasers?

[@tmting4942]

In the external view, u missed a real show, when u open the hatches with "LCtrl+W"🤗.

[@grimreapers]

thx

[@jpgreewal4]

Best video on the BS3 yet👌

[@kingfish4575]

The model comparison is still amazing CAP.

[@lambdacalculus8316]

Good old GR-style tutorial!

[@WilliamSudek]

They forgot to model the iPhone mount for navigation. Also, where is the counterfeit Adidas tracksuit for the pilot? Did they model the 30% of weapons falling into the farmers field feature of Russian weapons? Asking for a friend.)))

[@aleechin]

On point with the adidas tracksuit.

[@daniellauck9565]

True!!!! Also a comportment tô carry vodka.

[@Fiztex553]

Guess they are modelling times when it was not that bad for a soviet military, times when Ukrainians and Russians could fly these things together. Good times..

[@richardhockey8442]

and the sling load basket for Ukrainian civvies air conditioning systems (famous instance were a BMP was shown in a news report with a packing case on the top deck, one of the viewers recognised it as the one she had delivered to her apartment before she evacuated) and microwave ovens

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

There is a pair of Adidas shoes AFAIK in one of the storage compartments that you can see on the ground with LCtrl+W when the whole thing is still cold and dark. Hope that's enough for the Gopnik vibe XD I'm still missing the Tetris capability of the SYST page though...

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

0:41 А ну, чики-брики и в дамки! The real krasavchiks leave it in Russian. Poccnr stronk! 5:43 I've had that mapped all the time, now it finally comes to some use! 5:57 NAKOLI NIP (no idea what that means) IGLA 4 ZPS (same) According to manual: [""] - Command “НАКОЛИ НИП” (CONNECT MSL PWR) tells the pilot to use the power sources to activate the missile. - Rear aspect “ЗПС”. [...] “НИП” is a ground power source that retained the name from ground-based MANPADS, further as NIP Power Supply. In this context, the word "ground" is not worth paying attention to. “НАКОЛИ НИП” that mens in Russian “Pierce Power Supply” is a term also coming from MANPADS, when a special thrust pierces the membrane of a nitrogen bottle and presses on the firing pin of the battery to activate the power supply. [...] Additionally, the command “НАКОЛИ НИП” (CONNECT MSL PWR) will be displayed, and “ЗПС” (for a rear aspect launch). [/""] 6:24 Interesting to note, I've been using Manual mode all the time previously to make yeeting those Vikhrs down range more comfortable and also for increasing their range a bit (up to almost 10km on a flat trajectory, up to 12+ from 2-3km altitude) - so anyone having always done the same should be aware that it might be better to flick that back to auto for air to air engagements. Otherwise, in manual mode you just have to hit the uncage button before the thing can lock on to something. 6:41 It's for cooling them with LN2 7:50 Technical reason being: Two coolant bottles per tube, if you use one, it depletes completely which takes 30 seconds. 9:09 GOTOV x s (pronounced gatov, means ready) 9:47 Does he like peaches or does he like Peach? XD 10:12 _LOS!_ 10:41 I'm dying! :D 12:39 LOL XD

[@grimreapers]

Hey RD x

[@BobH809]

I think one of the most important things you talk about here is changing the language for the interior to English. Unless you can read Russian of course.

[@charlietheunicorn5383]

GR, would you be able to bring on a module maker (or team) and have them discuss how they bring an aircraft to life in DCS? From concept, testing and then fielding within DCS. Thanks!

[@grimreapers]

We've pretty much been blacklisted by ED(game maker). We'd never be allowed to.

[@pjhaebe]

Didn't even know about this... thanks Cap! Gonna upgrade shortly...

[@Fellow_Traveller1985]

Are you ever going to fix the saturation in the game? It's really displeasing to look at.

[@nickgrey4136]

Dear Jon, many thanks indeed for the excellent video. Very informative and detailed. The 'before and after' part is really helpful. Much appreciated. Kind regards, Nick

[@VixMusicProduction]

Well, as far as i know. Wasn’t the BS3 supposed to have a new engine and other stuff which got haulted because of russian legislation ??

[@92HazelMocha]

Also president-s directional countermeasure system but yeah it's on the back burner for now. BS3 actually has the mounts for the president-s system so we might see it added eventually.

[@ЕвгенийСысин-э1ч]

НАКОЛИ means PUNCTURE in English. It is because liquid coolant for IGLA missile stored in bottle. For use IGLA missile bottle must be punctured. After this coolant will cool missile seeker.

[@grimreapers]

thx

[@iyhan1987]

9:30 It's OK for the most MANPADS from the eighties

[@ellindar__5741]

Well,it is time for second round of KA-50 VS Mi-24 aerial combat?) This time with missiles only!

[@grimreapers]

Correct assumption...

[@channingdeadnight]

dang that's almost photorealistic, and you can fly it.

[@pinkfloyd7572]

GR is best with tutorials and reviews. More please.

[@zoranbrasnjo7488]

Skval auto turn to target doesn't work for me. It worked fine on v2.

[@iyhan1987]

yeap, I have the same issue... Sometimes it works though

[@zoranbrasnjo7488]

@@iyhan1987 for me it starts to turn but it choose some random azimuth, sometimes opposite of the target

[@iyhan1987]

@@zoranbrasnjo7488 same stuff....

[@virgo47]

Good video, thanks! I've noticed that Black Shark II does not have clickable elements on the collective and stick. I even suspect, they are not animated either, they just emit clicky sounds when used. Is there any improvement in this department in Black Shark III?

[@jsvideos2261]

Do any of your gang still play YS Flight (the only server-based flight sim my laptop can handle)?

[@colderwar]

The new 3D model will be really useful, I always fly my helicopter while looking at it from the outside. I don't like to fly with a frame rate better than about 15fps, so all the extra polygons will be great for that as well.

[@Rhinozherous]

More infos about INS usage inside cockpit please

[@orsonincharge4879]

Apart from the fact that you're ill , when you laugh and break into a cough it reminds me of Bob Fleming from the fast show ... get better asapcap

[@Dorrzo]

isnt there supposed to be some sort of client that displays the world/terrain infront of them in 3D ?

[@ivaniuk123]

Are there any plans to convert the rest of the campaigns and missions into BS3? As of now it seems that only a small portion of the new module is BS3.

[@leonneshovski6845]

Love your video keep up

[@5Andysalive]

Is BS a bit of a unlucky acronym?

[@grimreapers]

yup

[@jeremywar1822]

Hello, how did you get the English language in the abris ? I tried to put the English cockpit in option menu so I get my cockpit in English but the abris still is in russian ...

[@preamp51]

You can do that in "Options/Gameplay/Avionics Language". Set that from "Native" to "English".

[@Nerb1]

If you were doing the missions.... some of them have the russian cockpit regardless if you selected english cockpit in the menu. Small mission bug. Otherwise, make sure you selected english cockpit in the ka50 iii menu, and not just the ka50 menu.

[@funnynerdyme]

how do you upgrade with steam?

[@deaddarkie4154]

I’ve been wondering how does a jet know when it’s being tracked by a missle

[@draeath]

Laser and (active) radar homing missiles paint their target, and that can be detected and localized. You can also generally tell if it's a terminal scan (vs just ranging/search or pre-launch lock) from various changes to the signal (higher frequency radio, faster sweeps, etc) that help it stay on target and attempt to defeat countermeasures. Note that in both cases the emitter is not necessarily the projectile! The projectile can just be "listening" while the launcher carries the heavy and energy-hungry transmission equipment. Thermal seekers or passive radar (anti-radiation) munitions are impossible to directly observe, I believe. You (or theoretically some sort of sensor) has to see the actual projectile or it's exhaust and infer that it's heading towards you. ---- Getting actual information on this stuff I would imagine is troublesome, it's the sort of thing that's going to be kept classified / controlled as tightly as possible.

[@mirtaet123]

UV splash from rocket motor detectors + laser detectors. Thats all.

[@BenVaserlan]

It's "miss-sell-lane-ee-ous" not "miss-skell-lane-ee-ous".

[@sharkk127]

Will this be on sale for Christmas, I kinda want to get it, also I'm kinda done waiting for the f4 to release

[@iyhan1987]

IF you already own BS2, it costs literally nothing for you

[@sharkk127]

@@iyhan1987 I don't

[@pe1pq]

Hello CAP, Thank you for all of your videos, quite informative. I have been having a issue with getting the shark 3 into my game, if you have an idea feel free to answer. I have the shark 2 and paid the $10 bucks and downloaded the mod, steam say that it is in my library but I can't find it in the mod directory in DCS. Any idea's? Again thank you.

[@draeath]

I think it might be part of a beta channel. Might not show up unless you opt in for DCS, or until the future when they 'promote' it or the base engine version it depends on to stable release.

[@pe1pq]

@@draeath I looked into the Beta, thing I through that this could be the Issue. But turning on the Bata in the DCS program seamed a tad convoluted. So, I will do more research and or give it some time. I just started playing this game, I have played every M.S. flight sim, and world of tanks for over 8 years now. I never had a game that was so hard to wrap my head around. But I see others playing and I say, "well they are doing it how hard can it be"? It seems to be quite the commitment. So, I through play it when I find the time and go slow, but every time I try something it becomes a chore, maybe it not my cup of tea. Thanks for the help, replay. Cheers.

[@majestic7373]

Mon Abris n'est pas en anglais..par quel miracle le tien y est...??????

[@sharkamov]

💓🇷🇺

[@jsvideos2261]

Hello.

[@godalmighty83]

Doesn't have the death vibration on landing. 0/10 realism.

[@Fiztex553]

Ka-50 was not that bad compared to Ka-52 in this regard. Mainly because it was still pretty much an experimental aircraft at that point and a tad lighter than the Alligator.

[@bajasmancer]

Stingers have something similar don't they? must be that nato knows better than to put manpads on aircraft? :P

[@92HazelMocha]

To be fair, iglas were never actually fitted to the KA-50, probably because Vikhrs are much more effective and already mounted. I assume it's the same for the Ah64D not mounting stingers or sidewinders.

[@bajasmancer]

@@92HazelMocha Ah, so we don't know if there would have been a better cooling system if they would have used them

[@richardhockey8442]

I think there have been studies on fitting stingers and sidewinders to apaches - there are concept artworks of both fitted

[@iyhan1987]

@@richardhockey8442 there also was variant of Ka-50 with R73 btw

[@jameshodgson3656]

Export Apaches have stinger mounts. Israel I think mounts them

[@petertyson4022]

👍🎅🌲

[@brothersgrimmshow2496]

Russia vs NATO all out! Ukrainian border.

[@pranavsivakumar3873]

first

[@Ironwulf2000]

"“НИП” is a ground power source that retained the name from ground-based MANPADS, further as NIP Power Supply. In this context, the word "ground" is not worth paying attention to. “НАКОЛИ НИП” that means in Russian (PIERCE NIP) - “Pierce Power Supply” is a term also coming from MANPADS, when a special thrust pierces the membrane of a nitrogen bottle and presses on the firing pin of the battery to activate the power supply" игла = 'Igla' зпс = acronym for 'rear aspect' So just remember, if you pierce both your nips, you will have nothing left to pierce. ;)

[@grimreapers]

Thanks

[@mrlodwick]

Hot dogs.