Growing Pains: A History of esports' worst, most infamous and game changing scandals

From media laughing stock to media craze, from thousands of viewers to millions-esports has eclipsed all expectations in the last decade.
But while competitive gaming has come a long way since its humble beginnings, it hasn’t been without its own controversies.
And that’s no real surprise, just look at sports. From the NFL’s Deflategate and head trauma controversies to the MLB’s doping scandals and match fixing that dates back to 1919, one thing is pretty clear when it comes to professional sports-sometimes the spirit of competition gets lost in the money and fame.
And esports is no exception.
Now, in 2017, with the announcement of NA LCS franchising and the continued anticipation of the soon-to-come Overwatch League, esports takes yet another step towards maturity.
As the industry continues to move forward, the interest and investments from the sports world is bound to lead to more professionalism, stability, and yes, scandals.
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[@HomTolland69]

Seriously? Throw a tournament game for $322 dollars????

[@LoreFoxGames]

yeah, but today he is a MVP from ELS ONE

[@marshmellow8094]

HeyTherePeoplez yup..that's why when there is someone trying to throw a game it will be called 322

[@mushrooms29]

Even they win, there is nothing that will change in the course of their tournament run.

[@user-ij2tb4mb4r]

It became a meme

[@user-mb4xy2cz3t]

Allegedly throw, I kinda believe that he bet against his own team just for lulz.

[@silenthero2795]

The AHQ Korea's "Promise" attempted suicide after revealing the shady practices of his team. That alone would put heavy emphasis on the eSports scandals in recent memory.

[@ChrisWATAFAK]

Yeah, I was thinking they were gonna mention it.

[@dangerouslydubiousdoubleda9821]

good

[@AlarDane]

The details of that attempted suicide are gruesome

[@biggusballuz5405]

It's not gruesome at all, just multiple fractures.

[@allahbless2278]

Shal ucard not at all,that's everywhere

[@matheuscirilo3596]

Kabum E-sports 2017: Didnt pay their salaries Didnt pay a decent hotel to stay while playing CBLOL Gave them 2 computers for ALL the members

[@Kawlinz]

It was a team building exercise! Perseverance - strength - umm... taking turns?

[@Yayaloy9]

Kawlinz 5v5 game with 2 computer to practice nice lol

[@muhammadzidan53]

Matheus Tayr gaming paradise...

[@Proccito]

"Go play outside"

[@vincent-ls9lz]

Lowkey Esports didn't pay any of their teams and management somewhat recently too.

[@knittingfrenzy18]

the out of context caster commentary is crackin me up

[@theScoreesports]

I tried to add a little bit of humor to a relatively heavy piece. Glad I got someone to laugh! ♥ - Paul

[@zyxflame]

I really appreciate that they feel like inside jokes. The only people that would actually find humour in the out of context casting are fans who are familiar with where it was originally from. Well done.

[@soab2644]

theScore esports there’s never any news about rainbow Six Siege

[@sebastt1an]

12:30 He Protec He Attac But most importantly, He's Shaq​ offering you a snack.

[@vegetatheprinceofallsaiyan7694]

snacc*

[@anggaihza3074]

lmao

[@LinkenLorko]

"the world was furious" Literally never heard of that being a thing.

[@maggoteater2290]

Well now you heard it

[@FuriousGorge]

Came here to post this. I never heard about it until just now when I specifically went looking for stuff like this.

[@RAnDomMaN0394]

I’m surprised you didn’t include the scandal in Korea in League where a coach wanted the team to intentionally throw a match but didn’t and got really pissed in the team which resulted in a member attempting suicide

[@violetviolets7061]

What team? O.o This sounds harsh

[@RAnDomMaN0394]

ahq korea and it was the marksman known as promise it was a big deal at the time all the pros on twitch donated a good portion of their donations to promise

[@Kim-tr5op]

u didnt show when a korean guy took up a huge loan to make a team in lol (AHQ) (he bought an apartment so the team member would play together and bought pc's for all of them). they reached OGN surprisingly and was they played well. The team was forced to lose in because of gambling. after one of the players said this wasnt right (AHQ promise) he tried to take suicide, but was found in the dumpster barely alive. story ended with the owner taking suicide.

[@ekimincirli5402]

Kim Undal there are quite a few more scandals they missed over. Old Starcraft ones are the worst

[@IMissTheOldPantheon]

Yeah, the ahq korea scandal (Now known as Jin Air Green Wings if ya didn't know!) was probably one of the biggest in LoL history, no idea why they didn't include it.

[@dsadasdsadsa4624]

@@IMissTheOldPantheon because lol youngsters shouldnt reflect mobas at all, like league shouldnt ever be compared to a true game like dota imagine all the shit dota players have to take from ignorant people because of league "oh I know this game many 10~16y old play this!" - no dota isnt league "oh I know this game that asian youngster attempted suicide because of it!" no dota isnt league "oh I know this game my nephews still a virgin because of it HAHA!" no dota isnt fucking league league is fucking lame get over it

[@taylorswiftfan1389]

@@dsadasdsadsa4624 imagine being angry because you dont like a game. Yikes

[@dsadasdsadsa4624]

@@taylorswiftfan1389 angry? you are clearly projecting here and thats the reason we dont want to be compared to you league players you teenagers are way too emotional

[@foggyva9591]

I felt like this was a really well done video. Really enjoyable voice that isnt overwhelming with enthusiasm. Content was great and came in at a steady flow with superb order of events. Felt like a documentary, really great video overall. Well done.

[@lilkillervamps]

Is no one going to talk about the suicide of promise?

[@tombstone3echo]

RHG Jester who is dat

[@tomback6492]

UnknownKeepo League of legends player (Korean) that threw a game to help the org owner pay back loan sharks people found out and he attempted suicide and survived

[@perryy6528]

PopungDragon Dude thats not funny at all.

[@ansaij]

Perry Yenima ecksss deee

[@allahbless2278]

Perry Y. Shits hilarious xdxd

[@thewateringwiz7118]

I've been watching so many of your videos lately and you do amazing documentaries ! Keep it up

[@RunePlaysGames]

League of Legends 2014, AHQ Korea's Promise jumps off a building and falls into a coma after he reveals to the Inven community that his team was made with the sole purpose of throwing matches, and his team was threatened multiple times by their manager.

[@egglicious8005]

I love this❤️

[@theScoreesports]

Thanks! - Paul

[@TheRageng]

Smash is sooo pure :/

[@Bricktor]

Not really. There have been a few scandals

[@MysticalNonsense]

Can't have scandals if you have no players :^))))

[@BrodynSexton]

there's plenty of players

[@pug6312]

Kind of hard to have scandals when your scene is non existent.

[@AccelgorTheNinja]

0.9

[@skitscape16-rblx53]

Nice work put into this video, really enjoyed it.

[@pwnguino]

Following on instagram and decided to check out this video no regrets very imformative And the ibp scandal makes me so sad so much damn talent gone for 3 years swag and dazed are amazing im glad theyre back

[@Bedardo12]

theScore esports will be doing the equivalent to 30 for 30 for esports in the future, I swear. Always top-notch with the informative videos

[@keithmendoza3770]

Dam, these videos are edited so good.

[@theScoreesports]

Thanks for the compliment! - Paul

[@BBGirlSamus]

so well* jk I just wanna know how they do it.

[@juve9ile]

Kudos to you guys for making great videos on a consistent basis !

[@theScoreesports]

Thanks for the support! - Paul

[@joshuaking7470]

I love these documentaries! My only knock is that I wish that links to the articles and other info referenced in the vids was in the description. Sure its all searchable but it would be a nice touch.

[@user-cj5eu8mi9y]

Legit why hearthstone of all games

[@rainingChickenwing14]

like there no difference in luck if it female or male in that game

[@Pandaxtor]

Its also liked by old, young, or disabled since there isnt any hard action.

[@Jay-oy5zs]

Why chess of all games?

[@dino3965]

It's a physical sport women just can't compete

[@zephyrod7307]

I really don't think the dignitas vs curse thing is a scandal. Yeah sure they agreed to make it an aram, but that doesn't fake the result at all. It was just a fun thing to entertain viewers and riot just started wining about it

[@steve_en5903]

Zephyrod the reason they did it that way is they agreed that no matter who won they would split the money 50/50. The video left that out

[@sirtacomaster5978]

It would change the result lmao weren't you paying attention? If they dropped the game (or maybe it was win) they would get 2nd place and face other team changing the result

[@danlorett2184]

The problem is that they agreed to split the winnings (IE, collusion) and even worse, the outcome of the match affected the matchups/seeding of other teams. Winnings splits used to be common at local FGC tournaments as well (mostly because some players actually need to get decent prize money because they do it for a living) so it wasn't uncommon to offer a split, then play out the finals normally. Unfortunately, after several incidents where players didn't play seriously in the finals after agreeing to a split most tournament organizers started banning and penalizing players who offered winnings splits as collusion.

[@SquareyCircley]

Glad you included the original big scandal (sAviOr and others matchfixing in SC1). I remember how sad it was watching that unfold in real time, waiting for translations of loads of Korean things, waiting to see who else you liked would be implicated..

[@FrostEnceladus]

This was very touching

[@azmadini2521]

Man as a player i can’t even imagine to throw a game for money . I can’t imagine the look that i will get from others . Dota and lol you can’t fix anything people saw how you play why would you ruin your life . Man it’s waste and shame will follow you .

[@lloydsmith7133]

Overwatch league... high tier professional gaming has taken off in a direction I want nothing to do with

[@S_on_fire]

The video is excellent, great job.

[@AftermathRV]

"The X was Furious" Statement of the video But great video, thank you!

[@DuckYou25]

Keep up the good content

[@theScoreesports]

Thanks for the support! - Paul

[@ARINPEPI]

i miss life in SC2 pro scene:-(

[@krioni86sa]

AERIN PE'PE he got out off prison and playing baseball now

[@asmylia9880]

Chrioni Sta Ana still a huge loss. Considering the fact that he actually was an gigantic player and actually was far ahead of his time, it's even sadder that he had chose that way...

[@luketerrance]

Top quality as always

[@FateMasterBGB]

Brilliant video dude!

[@user-of8gd2ix5i]

really well-made video. as a sc2 player it rly sucks to see arguably the best player of all time banned (Life). the dude beat MVP who was considered the very best bonjwa in sc2 at the time in his very first GSL royal road. he was insanely talented and throwing matches seems so irrelevant when he can just win blizzcon casually if he wanted to.

[@allahbless2278]

Ben G nah not irrelevant,you're trash if you do that

[@Devin2292]

Ben G it isnt really irrelavent since hes good, infact its actually worse. He would have such high odds to win in some many cases that if his match fixing wasnt punished, he would just be able to throw huge games for profit just making the whole scene a joke

[@arete7884]

Such talent wasted he should just be banned 1 year max or less

[@nathangamble125]

Well cry no more, we have Serral now! I really hope Serral doesn't get involved in matchfixing...

[@zeroscommand9733]

Seagull's handshake

[@JDXTHEKID]

you guys should do more things like this to uphold the integrity of the scene.

[@Riccccccc]

Damn, this is like TV level editing and narrating. Was hooked through the entirety of the video.

[@thomasmiller4017]

Really glad the esports is apparently just dota 2, LoL, and cs:go. There was a guy who got caught using macros in rainbow six pro league and it doesn’t even register on here.

[@supermeuhmeuh]

that's hardly a scandal tho

[@nope-xe2lx]

The macros were actually not doing anything i dont think. Who tf would use the 4 key 1000 times?

[@Codex_0613]

@@nope-xe2lx don't speak when you don't know shit about the macro

[@nathangamble125]

Well, Rainbow Six is nowhere near as big as those 3.

[@HouseParty4567]

Nothing about Tainted Minds? That was a pretty big one imo

[@thelesnah8904]

what happened? i barely knew the team but never heard anything about the scandal

[@assult537]

Great video

[@alexmarcelo6494]

Missed the CS:GO cheating scandal when the VAC ban wave hit a pro playing live. CS:GO is still dealing with the fallout of that.

[@heromacpayne5548]

Life was still an amazing zerg player thought

[@93mlo]

Now we need the world cup of gaming. Each country's best players fighting for the title of world cup of a specific game

[@crookeddudes6173]

Best video :-) well explained :P

[@lazymage99]

Can you do one for fgc what players do is called pot sharing look up jwong vs chrisg on mvc3 grand finals they just random pick the finals

[@Zephyr510]

lazymage99 what? No they didnt...

[@cubkul]

Zephyr 510x kzbin.info/www/bejne/rpOsqaSobdOhqKs

[@Zephyr510]

CubKulAid how is that splitting? They didn't even count the first match and picked the mains right after. There actual friends who play each other a lot and were just trying to have fun. Grow up!!

[@danlorett2184]

This wasn't uncommon years ago in the FGC because before a lot of sponsors started picking up players a lot of the pros literally needed to get winnings as their job. So it wasn't uncommon back then for players who made it to grand finals (especially pros who had been there before a lot) to split winnings so they had a steady income whether they won or lost. It was something that could be considered shady but was allowed because of the monetary necessity at the time. However, after a few scandals of other players (not so much well-known pros) not playing seriously in finals after agreeing to a split, most TOs regard splits as collusion and heavily punish it. Just one of those rules that had to be made after people abused the system.

[@bigswings2414]

Make Esports different. Don't seperate good players. Good players are good players doesn't matter on your sex

[@theScoreesports]

Totally agree! - Paul

[@bigswings2414]

HOLY SHIT I LOVE YOU GUYS

[@theScoreesports]

♥ - Paul

[@icestick3]

still waiting for first female player on dota 2 or any pro game league

[@bigswings2414]

icestick3 Same! Now with league being just gigantic I think we will see it soon

[@xxstrider3188]

I wish i was older back in the day when there was a computer spot lik in 0:39 tht was just around the corner. I remember seeing my bro play warcraft with his friends. Memories.

[@Goolesy]

the voice sounds abit like phreak, very up lifting at the end. a great vid

[@interstellartravel]

The all random match is the biggest bullshit in the history esports. That should have been allowed because they all earned the right to be there. They didn't intentionally throw, they made a much more exciting match.

[@Adley65]

interstellartravel but thats not the problem the problem was that they decided they would split the money 50/50 no matter who wins

[@garrisonlee380]

Kourosh Adli I mean even then they still played the match and both tried to win. Iirc splitting prize pools isn't actually that uncommon since a lot of pro players literally depend on the sport for there livelihoods. I would guess the only way that the thing they wanted to do was if they agreed in advance. At the end of the day as long as the audience enjoyed it and the players did it voluntarily I don't see a big problem with what happened.

[@smilinggeneral8870]

Im a dota player, im trying to watch LOL world championship. I knew the concept of the game but every kill happens, it always because some light and teleportation caused by a champion that i dont even know what it does. That leaves both game are on the same level of difficulty if you decided to focus on one of these game, i suggest you dont try to learn the other one.

[@muftiwicaksono6629]

you just know the concept not know the game, buddy

[@Anti_Hero]

-1 subscriber challenge without any video ummm im a dota2 player too.. But umm.. Isnt dota more complex ? Like the creep agro.. Combos.. Timings and overall gameplay? Well just my thought.. No offence

[@sirtacomaster5978]

Sumiran Pradhan the tf the same is in league lmao you're talking about HOTS right?

[@Anti_Hero]

Sir Taco Master i mean.. The.. When u right click the hero.. The enemy creeps charge you ...(maybe in order to save their hero 😃) and well we can use it for our benefits.. So when the lane is going to be pushed due to a double wave.. Or a single wave with double ranged creep....we can set the timing right and click on the enemy.. So that the enemy creeps aggro towards u.. And as u move back.. They start hitting our ranged creep( to be noted that the damage of the ranged creeps is more than the melee creeps, but the armour and hp are less, so when u kill the ranged.. The lane gets pushed towards your side) and that is the aggro.. But that also helps in you denying the ranged creep so that the enemy doesnot get the max of the xp and no gold.. Well that is atleast the basics... And idk if LoL has it.. But well... Was gonna try it after my exams... But... The fact that we gotta buy the champions is.. Uk a more like " Pay to win" situation.. Which i think cuts out the point of having fun, and i hear some of the players of the community are just as toxic as in dota2....😁..so will try it out sometime...

[@marcellb579]

Sumiran Pradhan sorry to say buddy league has the same exact thing. You hit a champ with an auto or skillshot the creeps aggro to you. & You can get all the champs for free if you grind out (I admit it takes a very long time to grind out enough for all the champs.) And every game that's not marketed towards toddlers have a bit of toxicity.... But if you are triggered easily I recommend you hit /mute all lmao

[@anoobplays386]

I still remember when I found out about Life being arrested. Broke my heart. That kid was so good at SC2.

[@angelicalin1917]

12:29 that scene. Kkoma and Bengi I wanna cry...

[@ltsrrpp8101]

The craziest part about the no female thing is that now the female leagues don't allow males. But the male leagues still allow females, they're just hardly ever good enough to play with the males.

[@Jay-oy5zs]

"Do as we say, not as we do".

[@wartsnall3302]

another case of double standards

[@Przintheskywdiamonds]

No ahq korea?

[@angryjackjack1832]

You should do an updated one including the dreamkazper situation from owl

[@Szajtek]

Suprised you didn't mention new dota 2 major / minor system but whatever, great video guys!

[@silenthero2795]

DotA 2 scandals was barely talked about except for the 322 meme which in itself isn't a big deal. LoL on the other hand has been smitten heavily here so they need to compensate for that to avoid trigger happy LoL players.

[@Ash_C-zz4nu]

What's wrong with major/minor system? Are you high?

[@Stringbean670]

um, did I here him say that CS go had a short competitive lifespan?

[@Fluskar]

Stringbean670 Yeah,Csgo was released in 2012.The ibp scandal happened late 2014

[@ellonmusketwannabe2201]

We're gonna have new set of SKT Skins incoming

[@DWHClayton]

SKT didn't even win their region dude. Longzhu is favored to win this year.

[@SirLancelotXII]

Clayton Grubbs let's see about that this year 😂😂

[@ellonmusketwannabe2201]

Meh.. we all know SKT is best when it comes to World's....

[@WaitingTarget]

Clayton Grubbs no lol, even tho longzhu won, skt is still favorites.

[@Artaxerxes.]

Clayton Grubbs Did you forget spring ? That was LCK as well

[@josephguzington]

Broooo that LoL season 2 worlds hype... So much nostalgia

[@psychological9890]

Hmm, maybe you should've added the csgoshuffle scandal involving one of the biggest and most popular streamers on twitch which was PhantomL0rd, he was caught rigging a bet live in front of thousands of people. Oh then theres the other infamous match fixing scandal in csgo which involved french ex-Epsilon players, Uzzziii, GMX, B1GGY, and fxy0. And then we got many other scandals in csgo that maybe should have been mentioned, the KQLY VAC ban scandal being one of them along with the PEA Scandal involving player rights and many more

[@supermeuhmeuh]

how many scandals will it take until everyone finally agrees this game was turned into a big joke?

[@kennelink]

This is why I play dota

[@TheBillStickers]

E sports: Brain>Brawn. There is little to no scientific basis that men or women have an inherent intelligence/motor skills advantage over the other. Fair game. Sports: Brawn>Brain. There is scientific basis that men and women have different bodies that can give them physical advantages over the other. Not fair game. Some other Sports: Brawn=Brain. These ones are often mixed. Fair game.

[@suryo0597]

Bill Stickers agreed

[@nushia7192]

You will need speed and hand to eye coordination combined with logical thinking in esports.

[@TheLEGODUDE7]

Females in high elo of many esports cannot compete with the level that men play at. I am not an expert on the subject but in league of legends i don't believe that there is a single woman in challenger. It doesn't mean that they aren't good enough, but they definitely have a lack of competition (especially when you see the top streamers that are female on league barely being in plat/diamond and a few of them being gold and below)

[@Chimpmanboom]

Bill Stickers look up chess

[@jyoo4543]

DevILX7 DevILX7 Actually there are many females in challenger, for example 여최미, korean female midlaner. They just dont reveal their genders, because why would they when most of the reactions would be negative? You also have to think about the toxicity towards female players in league of legends, which is why they do not play league in general, added on to the already salty rift. I think it is not because of genetics (in terms of skill) , but rather because of the negativity and how there is a bigger male playerbase than female. Also, I think that males tend to be more competitive, due to their nature, which could be a factor of why there is more male players on the rift.

[@codybijeaux8804]

can you like...make a full documentary? this is great

[@democratprty]

The Life story is so sad, he is such a brilliant player and fan favorite and it cost him everything when he was on the top

[@Kam-dp6rv]

“Redditer”

[@anottakenusername3189]

It was only a split second, but that clip with the media laughing off esports gets me all salted up like some french fries. The media is always so out of touch with the common people. Also, that story about separating male and female players isn't as sexist as people think it is. EVERY other sport separates males and females because males have a physical advantage. I believe that advantage extends to reflexes and improvisation and that's why despite being half the population you will never see females dominating most sports competitions where they have to compete with men. Even if women were built exactly like men biologically and mentally women just aren't generally interested in these things like men are and you can't force women to be interested. Even at conventions most girls show up to do things like cosplay because it more aligns with their interests.

[@atropabelladonna5215]

I don't think physical advantages hold much (if any) advantages in the eSports scene. I think it's pretty inherent with low female population counts and the fact that female gamers tend to play more casually than male players (likely due to societal norms). Of the girl gamers that I have actually played with competitively, I've never noticed a solid difference between their performance and the performances of the guys. I played on a D1/Masters team in Smite and the girls in that clan could go head-to-head with the guys, with two of the girls actually getting picked for the main roster but turning it down to pursue college. I grinded that game for 4000+ hours after already being skilled with PC games, and they could certainly pose a threat to my roster spot. Other games show a similar trend to what I saw in Smite, with very few girls seriously competing but with many of them still reaching the top levels of the game (examples include Geguri and Barcode_ow in Overwatch for instance).

[@anottakenusername3189]

You say "societal norms" as though it's a hurdle women have to deal with because of the "patriarchy" but if something so small holds you back from having fun or from what you are most passionate about then it just shows a very fragile resolve which would never be enough to stop a serious male. These guys know of the gamer stigma and how they most likely aren't going to get laid playing video games all day, but that doesn't stop them. I bet girls can get good enough to beat most guys, but to compete against guys who take this seriously, nah. Here is a video that perfectly illustrates my point about reflexes. Whenever you see mixed sex doubles tennis it always ends up the same way with the females simply not being able to handle male serves. Even Serena Williams in interviews admits she can't deal with it and you might argue that strength is a factor but a lot of times girls can't even react fast enough to reach the ball. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fn2xepWdqZuagMU

[@anottakenusername3189]

By the way just to be clear, some people assume this sort of topic is brought up to put down women, but that's not the point. Underdog wins and surprise upsets are the best kind of stories so I would love to see a girl win it all. At the same time I can't help but feel the need to face the reality of how unlikely that is, and unfortunately there will always be politically correct sjws calling anyone sexist for noticing this trend and proposing solutions like separate sex leagues. The girl you mentioned who gave up to pursue college did the smart thing because statistically she is much more likely to be successful and happier down that path. The real question is not how come women can't be dedicated enough to reach higher levels of play, but why is it that there are men insane enough to dedicate themselves to tasks to such an extreme degree without any guarantee of success?

[@err0r__523]

You had me at “I found this new site called CS:GO Lotto.”

[@sKlush]

can you do a video about 2015-16 sc2 matchfixing scandal and its consequences?

[@TheVoicz]

The number one scandal? Naming competitive gaming an actual sport. 🤣

[@rianpeh4074]

Phreak u have no mana #freetyler1 #freetyler1 #freetyler1 #freetyler1 #freetyler1#freetyler1 #freetyler1 #freetyler1 #freetyler1

[@kane3825]

Karma I Tyler is freed!!!

[@justinmirsch2798]

i've been to plenty of hockey, basketball, baseball, golf tournaments and other sports event. But e-Sports has by far the best community of people I have ever seen.

[@dekuwashi]

Might as well add on how Remilia was treated by that one guy who lied to her about her medical expenses being paid if she played and being forced to play while in pain from surgery and stuff.

[@MFWb00bi3s]

For the folks talking about men vs women in esports... Men and women are most likely very much not equal in esports, as many of the characteristics that make men better physical sports carry over to esports and other competitive games (chess, go, etc). Some are biological and some are social conditions. The fact of the matter is there hasn't been enough conclusive research to prove one way or the other. However the majority of evidence so far points to men having the highest skill cap and drive to win. Here's some literature for you folks. Post by former semi-pro CS:GO female player "masq" on mixed teams: www.hltv.org/news/13657/equal-gaming-documentary-out#r6854639 Long talking head by Thorin (esports journalist): kzbin.info/www/bejne/ppzGg6xme5irr6c Discussion by "missharvey", five time female CS world champion; "masq"; and Requine, esports journalist and staff writer for Immortals: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jpDTXmCLotqrlcU

[@hazzsin3579]

It is ridiculous to use yourself as an example for chess. go look at the professional rankings for chess. Despite there being plenty of professional, amazing female chess players, the top players are all male. Historically, and in the modern day. Don't get me started on the 'more men play, more men earn more etc.' considering the huge amounts of sponsorship going to women in chess right now to 'make it equal' between the genders, and yet still, the top players are all male. Besides, you may not realise it, but playing esports requires continual use of fast-twitch muscles. There isn't a huge difference between male and female esports athletes though, but that is only in the averages. At the extremes (which is where you need to be for professional players), these tiny differences mean a lot.

[@kilianjones549]

Its not about whos best right now, women are "worse" at sports because of the history of exclusion. Smaller muscles = history of males doing the physical work and making the females stay inside and tend to the home, Drive to win is all due to what we tell our kids when they are little. There is different differences between males and females when it comes to sports, but its due to a long and evil history of exclusion. Continuing that exclusion is just gonna make it worse. I don't understand why people look at the differences and say "oh since on average men are better then women, we better only let men play, that will fix it" instead of letting those with the skills play. if we want the differences to go away then you have to let everyone play and eventually it will all balance out. Also your statement about averages makes no sense, because as you said the pros are on the extremes. Just because the average male should be better at a game then a average male doesn't mean that top 100 players will follow that same rule. They are pros for a reason, and their skills are not defined by averages, meaning that a top females players could easily out think or skill a male competitor at her level. And finally i think your comment about muscles in for twitch shooting is insane. It takes a tiny amount of force to move a mouse or press a button and besides that amount of force its all in the aiming, neither of these things give males a natural advantage>

[@hazzsin3579]

Holy crap, I can't believe you could believe that. "Smaller muscles = history of males doing the physical work and making the females stay inside" You mean Olympic female athletes who spend their entire lives training have smaller muscles because historically men didn't let womenplay? You mean, you seriously believe that? That someone's muscles today are smaller because of how their race/gender was treated historically. You don't think it has anything to do with testosterone? Perhaps you need to learn some biology. What about lions. Male lions easily overpower female lions even though female lions do most of the hunting and work while the males sleep and eat. Maybe you have magical explanations for that. Or that fact that in pretty much all mammals, the males are bigger and stronger than the females. And what do muscles have to do with chess? Did you read my comment: "Despite there being plenty of professional, amazing female chess players, the top players are all male." And you say :"oh since on average men are better then women, we better only let men play" but we aren't talking about averages here. Men form the outliers of society. They are the poorest (most homeless are male) and they are the richest (richest people in the world are all male). Men are the dumbest (most prisoners are male) and the smartest (most scientists, doctors, engineers are male). When we watch a sport, we only want to see the best players. No one cares about the b team. There was an all female lol team (the sirens I believe) and they had huge sponsorship deals and money at the time (since it was considered a huge opportunity to draw more girls into the sport and increase viewership). They got utterly destroyed by the other teams.

[@kilianjones549]

You should do some research before you talk about lions. While it is true that males are over all stronger in straight up fights, the females are faster and quicker because they do the hunting while males handle the land disputes and the "fighting". WOW would you look at that, the thing you do a lot through history decides how your body and mind evolves. When it comes to chess, there is still a huge difference in the number of men who play chess and the number of women who play chess, as it is with all of the examples you listed. More people = greater chance to hit the jack pot and find the next Tom Brady of chess or esports. Ever wonder why the bigger schools have better sports teams? Its because they have more people to draw from and that allows them to have an advantage in finding better players. Please note that this only works with public schools as private school can use money to recruit. As for your interesting thoughts on how men are the best and the worst, I think that all goes back to how we raise people. If men are always told that they have to be the best, they develop that confidence to go out and take risks, take on the world and either win or lose. On the other hand women are traditionally told to shut up and sit down, to play it safe and hide in the middle, which is what they end up doing. Moving on to your last example, how you only want to watch the best, they why do you care if they are male or female? Lets say there's a player that the best ever and she happens to be female. Are you not gonna let her compete on the biggest stage just because ON AVERAGE males are better then females due to biological differences because of historical exclusion? Doesn't make sense to me. Idc about all female teams or all male teams, I just wanna watch people that are good at the game. The best female players that can compete with the best males shouldn't be held back just because of averages.

[@hazzsin3579]

You do know that thousands of women play on solo-que, and yet none of them are rank 1? The best female teams can't compete with the best male teams. I just gave you an example - the sirens, a female LOL team. You look at the fastest sprinters in the world. The top ranking female doesn't even beat the 20th ranked male. You think men are told to be the best so they become the best? Have you seen the shitty girl-power movies hollywood is pumping out now. Apparently a girl can take on fully grown, trained men in her high heels because girl power. You think women are told to shut up and sit down? Where do you live? Rural Africa, under a dictator? You keep saying it has got to do with how we raise people. Olympic athletes start training when they are 3. They are raised athletes. Yet the females cannot compete with the males in most of the sports. You are telling me that those Olympic athletes are told to shut up and sit down? I don't care if they are male or female. I do care when they start adding women just to meet a quota, rather than selecting based on skill. The army is accepting women in now, but they get lighter entrance test. They don't have to run as far/long, they don't have to lift as much weight etc, but still they are being let in. Why? Because they are selecting women based on their gender, to fill a quota, and not based on their actual skill level. I am not talking about averages. You will find, on average, men and women are pretty similar. It is at the extremes where men seem to take over, at both ends of the spectrum. You keep saying I am selecting based on averages. Lets look at these olympic sports: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world_records_in_Olympic_weightlifting - men are over 100kg in the lead over women en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100_metres_at_the_Olympics - fastest women in the world is slower than the 19th fastest man in the world - lists biological factors between men and women as the issue en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marathon - fastest woman in the world is so much slower than the men, the list of male times doesn't even go low enough to meet the women's times I can go on. However, when you look at averages, the distinction isn't as noticeable. Men take over in the extremes. Otherwise, there are plenty of women that would woop my ass in any sporting event. Please try to understand what I am saying.

[@abecerra9365]

xQcOw

[@chrishero9694]

When I saw the words "scandal" I just knew the iBP guys were gonna be mentioned 😂😂

[@konradvonschnitzeldorf6506]

There were people getting DDOsd and disconectet intentionally during the Smite pro league a few seasons ago

[@mosharch]

Overwatch "esport"? LUL

[@jbfarley]

mosharch you're an idiot if you believe that it isn't

[@keeganlubbe2470]

Well you must feel silly now seeing OWL's massive success

[@Mode307]

I bet you just a player who's winrate is below 10% in overwatch L O L R O F L

[@arete7884]

Exactly ,HOTS esported just died canceled completely, overwatch same garbage game forced into esports, wc3 and starcraft deserve to be more $ they are far harder games that require a brain

[@TheOrangesEverywhere]

Blizzard esports is a joke mi dude

[@jorgeddls]

TheOrangesEverywhere ow is dead already

[@Fluskar]

right

[@smilinggeneral8870]

Daniel Sepulveda its a future sport..... im sure there's one day where football matches are played using computers

[@chicolopes1928]

>implying esports overall arent a joke

[@Daneclaw]

Delusional much?

[@ZiKoN22]

what about what happened with TSM and Dignitas? pretty sure I remember a member of the Dig line-up leaking info to Dyrus and other members of TSM on their strats. it was a pretty huge deal, i have no idea how u missed it.

[@pvpmaster3187]

Don't know why, this video gave me goosebumps

[@vvvortic]

didnt know playing video games all day was considered a sport XDDD

[@DustyyBoi]

vvvortic that's why its called Esports "electronic sports"

[@player3prime]

The Olympic games have men and women separated and nobody's complaining there either just sayin

[@Kalikid89]

This is the most idiotic thing I have seen Olympics= physical activities games dont dont be that guy

[@jordanmartin8656]

Physical sport vs virtual game... See the difference.... Dont be dumb

[@player3prime]

I do see a difference but why is the percentage so much lower?

[@BrodynSexton]

because of people like you who don't think females should get the chance to compete with males it makes competing for them harder do to the fact many think they can't do it or feel wanted in the community

[@jamesbowen1439]

player3prime women are physically weaker than men in all aspects. Biology man. Esports is not a physical sport so there should be no separation. There is no biological advantage inherent to the game

[@ronster1703]

“So we found this new site” meme perfectly underused.

[@suwakoss]

“And i found this new site” will forever go down in infamy

[@BarneyLikesKids]

Men seem to be better than women at esports so whats wrong in seperating them?

[@Mrdouggz]

Barney Likes Kids because it didn't need to be there.

[@tombstone3echo]

because it would make it easier for women when they dont really have a real disadvantage. and the reason for them being over all worse in esports is that less/almost no women are competitive enough to compete. so then theyd have to take women who r worse than guys who r better because of the gender even tho there is no actual disadvantage

[@tombstone3echo]

Barney Likes Kids long story short. u cant just sperate women and men because they seem to have diff skills but rather look at the actual m abilities. in physical sport there is a diff, in esports there isnt one. and men being more competitive isnt really a disadvantage because women can still achieve the same when working hard

[@violetviolets7061]

The thing here is that there's no clear disadvantage, compared to physical sports-- Make physique vs. Female physique.

[@astartes8621]

It's sports. It's about being the best of the best. And this is e sports so no physical advantages or disadvantages or whatsoever. There's no need to separate them on a sport that involves a lot of brain

[@AstolfoCh]

About the gender division part. People are just whiny. Honestly, female players are just not good in general. When was the last time you heard a good Female Esports team? Well, I hope to be proven wrong soon if not the people who call gender division would be just looking silly.

[@perryy6528]

What about the Sirens lul

[@DWHClayton]

Perry Yenima he said 'good'

[@violetviolets7061]

This is true, and it's been naturally this way for a long time

[@banyanbatts9964]

Hexa Promos remember the sirens team? That was a total joke xD

[@darkfighter500]

Yeah I know but splitting them up isnt helping either they can enter the scene but everyone is equal so u never know some girl could join tsm tbh However if we split the sexs, a woman who could compete with the men are being held back true potential, sorry for sounding very sjw but thats my take on it But yeah I havwnt seen a pro girl player in lcs yet

[@QianBing]

I was so sad when life was found out for match fixing. He was one of my favorite players too

[@xkaosG]

Surprised not to see the Titan scandal in CSGO, that was huge back then

[@hatsuhioki9361]

D fak is wrong with deviding male and female? Wtf is wrong with this world

[@bigswings2414]

Stop.

[@hatsuhioki9361]

stop what?

[@bigswings2414]

Why divide players based on their genitals?

[@leonidas1749]

Well in the classic sports it makes sense because women have biological disadvantadges over men. In e-sports that's different because it is not that much about the physical but also the psychical.

[@bigswings2414]

Thats my point. Makes sense in traditional sports but not e-Sports

[@jaredsun4277]

See the thing about the importance of gender division in esports is man and woman. I’m not feigning personal insecurities or anything but it’s a fact that men and women can not be emotionally pressured in sexual frustrations and all else intimate. Chess had a thing where they forbid cleavage exposure for women. It’s the same idea. If I know I’m playing against a woman, I will be disturbed sexually and emotionally. League of legends skt t1 captain forbids dating for the players for the same idea. And for sports too. Coaches recommend not dating. It’s all subconscious. Passive disadvantages not only for men but for women. Imagine a poor girl knowing they’re going to lane against quas or rekkles. She would be soaked! Sounds humorous but honestly the girls would be shaking going up against attractive players of the opposite gender. There are people who can block it out but not all. And when you can’t cover for the entirety of the player base then you have to settle for divisive regulations like gender division. And also imagine having girls AND guys on the same team. They would quite literally be fucking or brutally fighting all the time and there will be blood either way if you catch my drift 😏 Gotta play the game and gotta play it fair. Man and woman. Not completely different but extremely different. And the majority of humans can’t stand primitive instincts. Gender division is legit and a fair thing on all platforms. Brawn or brain.

[@wickedAberration]

So, what about gay folks? And the thing is, about even the best of these folks hit a 6/10 on appearance. Separating leagues by sex doesn't really do shit.

[@ordertriple6]

Well sadly I know it's surprising but not every human of the opposite sex is attractive. Unless you're the type who'd fk a mailbox. I think it's more over a pity system to bring women into the spotlight which they wouldn't normally have. Take the olympic track and field, of course those females are so much faster than me(some random idiot male) however if they competed in the male's sprint only a few would "contend". Sadly I think the latter is more appropriate, because then when you see a chick out there hanging with the best of the best in their competition you'll truly respect their ability. Look at softball and baseball. Basketball's leagues. Soccer. I mean, it's all just pity for the females who cannot play in the male's league. Sad really that not being able to mimic each-other is what defines "equality" to some, when in reality it couldn't be more different.

[@MrAkaidu]

Yo - that's all to do with major biological differences, yo. Esports as a whole doesn't have that much of a physical demand on the players, so with practice any person regardless of race or gender could be the best.

[@AsukaLangleyS02]

This comment is dripping with autism

[@lilith9744]

No just no

[@katekay]

This was lit 👌

[@holyravioli5795]

11:24 lol, in the same shot where you talk about how Honor the call exposed them there's a video from Honor the call saying their innocent.

[@Shirohige4yonko]

Its sad that EVO isnt as big as some of these. EVO its all about 1 individual coming out on top.

[@Eu_Sunt_Dracul]

Life's starcraft scandal was the hardest hit for me. I was just getting into the game and was fanboying about his zerg plays. Then he went and fukd it up...........feels badman

[@robertozayat6579]

i was waiting for a bit about renegades and montecristo

[@bruhitsp4n959]

I show this video to my mom,she said it was a great video.

[@Custom2udo]

i like how steel and swag's titles are the wrong way round, steels the genius and swags the super talent

[@TheGodEmperorOfMankind_]

The all random mid game with Dignitas Vs. Curse was fucking great.

[@Thomas-xg3ri]

Good ol' Solo 322

[@alexbrown7015]

If I was playing with that stage flaw I know 100% that I would not be able to stop looking

[@doarner]

If there's something to be learn here is that most if not all of esport professional players didn't joined for the competitive and challenging facts of worldwide gaming for a title but mere cash and ways to get more, most of the scandals involves money and how they tried to get paid for doing it and it keeps happening, even the promoters and organizations involved are there for the money, just like GDQ, those speedrunners dones't know a thing about Doctors without Borders, all they care is be seen breaking a world record.