Gun Gripes

[@johnpagdilao6075]

Welcome to Hellinois, the state where 2 of our last 3 Governor's have gone to prison.

[@johnpagdilao6075]

Gov. Geaorge Ryan was sent to prison for taking bribes as the Secretary of state in IL. He was caught because a husband and wife lost their kids in accident cause by a truck driver that bought his license. Rod Blagojevich was a sitting Governor that was taped trying to sell the Senate seat left open when Obama ran for president.

[@hicx8734]

John Pagdilao At least you don't live in Commnieforina

[@johnpagdilao6075]

Hellinois is becoming the go between to Commiefornia and New York.

[@bushjared89]

John Pagdilao don't feel bad our Governer here in Bama is same but at least our guns r safe for now

[@bradgillis2405]

They did what every Illinois governor does but got caught... Ive worked under 6 governors...all the same except one maybe... and he was still a little "dirty".. but compared to others...

[@Iraqveteran8888]

There seems to be a lot of confusion of where we actually stand on this matter in the comments section. I try to present the facts to the best of my ability and allow people to think for themselves. I personally will no longer purchase products from either of these companies ever again. The writing is on the wall and it's quite clear that they tried to sell out the competition not to mention the fine citizens of Illinois and got caught playing crooked. The fight isn't over and we aren't done fighting for Illinois, but our official stance is these companies can pound sand.

[@chitownjr6649]

Iraqveteran8888 100% agree. thank you iv8888. I live in Chicago the motherland of shootings. I will never support these tyrant companies. I will call Springfield rn!!#

[@cavalrytrooper3247]

Iraqveteran8888 Hooah battle

[@overlordisgoogle8431]

Thank you

[@nickma71]

Sadly, I have joined you. Although I like my SR1911. I wanted a new one in stainless to go with my Mil Spec. And the stainless version of the SA is now self prohibited.

[@Doobie603]

nickma71 I respect your sacrifice soldier!

[@brucewisor1569]

People need to realize that this isn't only anti-2nd Amendment, it is anti-capitalist! This excludes big box stores and only applies to small individually owned gun stores! The way this could get overturned is possible appealing it, if passed, on anti- monopoly terms... Fight it and actually read it, this is all about eliminating competition for big box stores that they can more easily control.

[@wflexser]

my best friend owns a gun dealership in illinois. I help him out in the shop. we are no longer selling firearms from either company. most lobbying happens in Chicago not the capital in Springfield. we fight hard for our rights. we finally got consealed carry. we are trying to get supressors approved. this will be a big step back for us. please help us fight.

[@turtlelewis7818]

wflexser is there any way to find out if my rep is anti gun? I know messaging him might answer but I don't trust politicians.

[@aKjohn8798]

Y'all still selling? I'm in Illinois and would love to come by and purchase a product from your shop

[@avlisk]

Start here: The government that governs best, governs least. This bill is bigger government, more corruption, less freedom, more tyranny.

[@TheKentuckyPatriot]

Perfectly stated!

[@graemestewart4456]

As a pro gun owner who lives in the state of Illinois, it's great too see that others are noticing there is a problem here and that it's not just being swept under the rug like it has been for so long. not to get into Illinois politics... but their screwed up. it literally is a house divided and only a matter of time till it falls.

[@Ecosse57]

as a massachusetts resident i'm with you in spirit. just remember: anyone can be a patriot in texas but it takes real moxie to be one behind enemy lines.

[@FishFind3000]

graeme stewart also everybody that's making the laws is in Chicago. That's why guns are bad ban all of them. That's how you stop the gang bangers

[@ricks.1092]

It's about time the gun community came together for the commie states. Unfortunately, it takes something like this in which a large manufacture did something wrong. To get people to come out. Just because Trump is President, people believe we can relax out stance on firearms. Now is the time, to really fight. Sure, we don't need to worry about some federal gun laws come down the pike. But at the State level a lot of damage can and will surely occur. Only 9 Transfers per year. That's crazy that violate Federal Commrace laws.

[@mr.invisable6919]

LEcosse57 are you armed? If not, you are not ready. The Minute men were.

[@graemestewart4456]

As for the stopping of the gangs and criminals. taking away the guns from the law abiding citizens does nothing. the bad guys had the guns to start with and probably didn't get the legaly. so in what logic does taking them away from safe gun owner provide a safer country? why should we allow those scared and afraid to dictate what the strong and ready to fight are allowed to do? what it all come down to is were all Americans and we can't just be stepping on each other and expecting it to all work out. As they said a house divided will not stand.

[@deepscuba7384]

Well... despite wild fires, droughts, floods, hail, tornadoes, earthquakes, poor education rating, etc. THIS is one of those times when living in Oklahoma is a really good thing!

[@billhill7330]

Hell Yeah! Btw possible severe weather event next week. just a heads up

[@gregwright392]

deep scuba For sure!

[@davidkh2544]

I was wearing a "Save California" shirt at the NRA show, and I was surprised why people asked me if I was from there. I'm from TN and standing with California because that's part of our country.

[@davidkh2544]

Giving up is still not an option

[@TurfSurf]

Thank you for supporting us behind the enemy line or at the front line of the war.

[@YorktownUSA]

David Kh Thanks for the support. It sucks for us Californians, but we need to stand united against the fascists no matter what state we live in.

[@davidkh2544]

Amen

[@SonofaGun310]

David Kh thank you brother I'm from California and will return my purchase of my 1911 a1 sadly but proudly

[@Mike-B-Jackson]

The fact that they were against it until they got their own personal exemption is proof enough that it wasn't ignorance. Their apology is a load of bull and will not accepted.

[@lonewanderer3603]

Mike Jackson Damn straight. Their excuse is bullshit.

[@Jelsick]

Mike Jackson What about the good men and women who work at these two manufacturers? Don't let your anger send them down the river. The executives need to step down and let REAL second amendment supporters run Springfield and Rock River. I would hate to be partly responsible for the mass layoffs of good, hard working people. I would be one pissed off employee if my so called higher ups pulled this crap, allegedly....

[@patrickcook1423]

The good ppl that work for these companies will unfortunately be suffering along with their companies... sad but true.. nevertheless, we can not ignore their blatant disregard for the rights of all of us... and that from a company that does not even make their pistols here in the US. This is an anti American company in my mind and personally I will not be supporting them and will actively deture business from their prosucts.

[@Mike-B-Jackson]

I'm sorry but I simply cannot and will not support a company, especially as large as Springfield, that supports its own 2A rights and not ours / it's customers. If that means people lose their jobs, so be it. You're not going to change my mind on this so hold your breath or don't expect a reply.

[@lkae4]

Other jobs exist. Another USA with un-infringed gun rights does not.

[@Hawkeye-cc9et]

They need to rename the "Saint" to the "Judas". They already have the re-branding done.

[@thenightwolf103091]

Hawkeye 1776 best comment iv seen

[@notoriousfam2922]

Hawkeye 1776 SPRINGFAILED JUDAS!!!

[@jittychitty]

Screw them. No more of those guns allowed through our shop.

[@jittychitty]

Why don't you suck it

[@hiramesensei3112]

lmao Always shoot a traitor before an enemy.

[@coyotebrown2294]

Springfield and Rock River supported this bill with donations through third party, then claimed no knowledge of what had happened. Yes there are other bad folks involved, but Springfield and Rock River are crap.

[@toynazi]

Those two companies supported the bill and donated money through a third party. So yeah they are part of the problem!

[@Front-Toward-Enemy]

And they supported the Bill. We can do something to keep more bills from passing and that's stop giving money to traitors who Lobby against our Rights.

[@StreuB1]

Thank you both for covering this. I have a few comments and I live in IL and am close to what is going on. Last I knew.... 1. The owner of Springfield Armory, Dennis Reese. Is a director of the IFMA. 2. The Co-chair of Springfield and brother of Dennis Reese, Thomas Reese, is a director of the IFMA. 3. Chuck Larsen, President of Rock River Armory, is a director of the IFMA. 4. The Executive Director (who is the lobbyist) and founder of the IFMA is a family friend of the Reese family. 5. The Executive Director of the IFMA lives in a upper class condo in downtown Naperville, IL. An affluent suburb of Chicago 6. The bill has within its language, for instance. If you were an armorer in the US Military and you get out and want to start your own business doing smith work. You would have to work for another FFL for a minimum of 1 year before you could become an FFL in the state of IL. 7. The oversight organization they look to build would need around 35-40 employees minimum with at least 25 full time inspectors in order to do a YEARLY INSPECTION of EVERY FFL IN THE STATE. This is in the bill. The cost of the license will be determined by the cost of the program. The more FFL's that drop from the program, the more the license price goes up to cover the cost to support the program. So, the license will get exponentially expensive as people drop out until the license becomes so expensive that the last few hundred simply cease operations in the state. 8. The talking points on that bill are far more intricate and deadly than Eric and Chad were able to go into. It is a death sentence bill.

[@TheHandHistoryVault]

Like Eric and Chad care to do actual reading work. This whole video is "Support the NRA', which is laughably ignorant. The NRA have done far worse than these two companies.

[@charleswittmer2477]

that statement needs to be proven with facts to me. I live in tx and am daily asked for donations to support the rnc. I do not intend to support anyone unless they do something to help me in tx. Me, and both my sons are life nra members and I support the nra , it has many venues like childrens programs that you can not find in any other organizations. They do however appear to spend the most time trying to help the citizens in areas that the citizens are to busy trying to make a living rather than electing better politicians. Only when the citizens become more involved in the political process will things change. this video is a way to make the uneducated aware of what is happening and it is appreciated.

[@Yashiro-nene_dies]

Charles Wittmer It's already been confirmed.

[@Scorpiuszeroone]

The IFMA is specifically the lobbying creation of SA and RRA solely. Not a huge conglomerate of firearm manufacturers. Springfield and Rock River Arms created this house that is now on fire, they can live in it. Their damage control has been piss-poor and they are only sorry they got caught.

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

this needs to be brought out more. this point is being distorted by rra/S-A. The yankee marshal stated this too on his soc media.

[@l84cabo]

My understanding is that there were/are a grand total of FOUR people who made up the IFMA. Two of these people were the RRA and SA CEO's.

[@chicagobearsarms4795]

Those companies should start giving away free guns to the people they hurt in Illinois.

[@lwrcbcm8954]

I wouldn't buy a candy bar from either of those companies.

[@roguecactus7]

Noah Hastings throw in a gold-plated wrapper and I'm sold.

[@Steamrunner]

That's probably a good thing. Do you really want gun companies adding to the obesity epidemic in America? When the term, copper coated candy was used, it wasn't meant for people to be popping them like Skittles.

[@lostinthewilderness338]

Sad 4 years later and it seems many have forgotten all about this

[@davidskaggs9914]

I won't buy either Springfield or Rockriver. No excuse is good enough to justify their anti 2A

[@berettaxd7566]

They sell guns, they're not anti 2A. They were trying to save themselves. They are a good company and they have made up for it well over.

[@grampsoyer8621]

I am also a gun owner in Illinois. SA and RRA ARE the IFMA...according to what I have seen they are the two largest, if not only, contributors to this lobby group...so they knew exactly where the money was going.

[@tuomasholo]

I will not support SA and RRA. I own pistols and carbines from both companies and will not buy from these companies again. I'll buy from companies that won't backstab us.

[@dingodile3100]

Tu Ho Same i have RRA LAR15, good rifle but wont be spending anymore money with them.

[@boomerisadog3899]

I only have Springfield's but I won't buy anymore of either now.

[@Mrgunsngear]

#nocompromise

[@steveeab2364]

indeed

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

+Bob jones from what I know, the beverly hills CA police issue S-A XD sidearms. Why? Im not sure. I wouldnt want a XD pistol for law enforcement.

[@johnwickstuckinthematrix8121]

Mrgunsngear Channel indeed 👍 love the channels

[@MrVideoyoulike]

Beverly hills do not have their own police department the LAPD is the agency that patrol that city.

[@overlordisgoogle8431]

I'm happy to hear this

[@VSO_Gun_Channel]

Well laid out synopsis. We have said our peace on the matter. Springfield and Rock River can go somewhere.

[@mixflip]

I'm boycotting Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms.

[@NexaTrade]

all for the 2nd amendment my ass. NRA was so quite when Philando Castile was killed. now lets blame the corporates for securing their own interests?

[@user-xq7wz1xb7u]

agreed

[@GC_Rallo]

ALmost a year on and I still haven't purchased a firearm from either, nor will I. Unless Springfield or RRA does something miraculous, like repeal the NFA or cause the collapse of the anti-gun lobbyists or something, I never will. No quarter for a traitor, no pity for a coward

[@gtaclevelandcity]

more for me

[@boomerisadog3899]

@rwsthedemonking I've got 3 Springfield 9mm, a xde and 2 different xd mod 2's. All are great pistols and I was gonna buy their new ar15 the Saint Edge. After all this I'll spend my $ somewhere else. In fact, I already have. I went with Palmetto State Armory.

[@LionquestFitness]

What happens in an anti-gun state can spread to a pro-gun state. Their fight is our fight.

[@forgivenessisasixgun]

Lionquest Fitness we are all Americans. It's what makes America what it is. All people from all states need to stand together

[@treytonzoss1853]

Thank you, living in Illinois can be annoying ._.

[@gogorichie]

Love the channel, I live in Illinois thanks for bring this to my attention.

[@erikbogerman2048]

....They may have family to feed, but i need to protect mine

[@slider903]

Well said

[@hollandjames3543]

There is other companies to buy from. Lmao.

[@cz-bundy6896]

I've called Springfield because I have owned 4 of their products and a xds is my EDC .i talked to a employee for 23 minutes. she was very kind and thanked me many times for my support over the years and for telling her my concerns. I was not rude or upset towards her but she was very good to me, even after I told her I cancelled two of my pending orders from Springfield. I'm waiting to see what becomes of this and then will decide what to order then. thank you guys for always helping get the word out on issuses like this and giving us a great to watch!!

[@brandonbond5938]

Springfield better start giving out 90% off coupons or they're done.

[@ironhead2008]

J. P. good luck importing it!

[@canabox7112]

Are you Canadian?

[@ironhead2008]

J. P. I don't know where you're finding Norinco M1A/M14s. AFAIK, they haven't been imported for a long time. Were they even making M1A/M14 clones for export to the US at the time? I agree with your point, though. If I buy a M1A, it'll be used.

[@skg-vids]

So if they buy off their customers, all is good?

[@EvendimataE]

do you think they will survive if they will give out 90% coupon? its indirect way of saying just die

[@hobbyknight3300]

Eric and Chad thank you so much for this. Us Illinois gun owners feel like we get forgotten by the rest of the country. We're not quite California yet but our politicians are fighting to make it that way. Thank you so much spreading the word for us. We fight together or hang alone.

[@Chriskelly19067]

good luck surviving this RRA and Springfield...

[@thegoldencaulk2742]

They'll do fine, I suspect. We all know that if you come to the governments beck and call like Colt and Chevy does, they'll bail you out of anything.

[@aaronorr3647]

Ruger survived Bill Ruger, Smith And Wesson survived it's capitulation to Slick Willy and Rottweiler, and Troy survived hiring Lon Horiuchi's teammate from FBI HRT and Ruby Ridge. They are going to feel a pinch because I do feel that this is a case of the village idiot (the 'truth' about guns) crying wolf when it really was a sick dog with mange.

[@DOA220]

They will survive, but it is not about killing them off completely, it is about making them feel it in the sales. Make their pockets not feel as full. When they have their quarterly corporate briefs with pie/flow charts of projected and past sales, make that needle plummet. Make that CEO spit his coffee out in anger and frustration when his sales aren't as high as Sig's or Glocks. Make them feel regret when they hear that they fucked up.

[@woodchuckcider1870]

Ruger and Smith Wesson were a bit better off. During that time 1994 there wasn't such a large internet and social media presence to blow the whistle on these things.

[@ricks.1092]

S&W and Ruger still felt it Took S&W almost 8 years to recoup their stocks back to what it was pre-ban...same for Ruger. As well as, many people in both companies were fired. All of S&W upper management was subsequently fired. Bill Ruger who testified to Congress, subsequently retired in 2000 and died in 2002. When Mike Piefer took over Ruger, the company did a complete 180 turn. And Mike is retiring from Ruger the end of this year (2017). And yet people still haven't forgotten what occurred in 1994. SA and RRA will survive this, however, it's going to be a long road for them to recoup things.

[@scottbacon4496]

Don't bite the hands that feed you. Did the gun manufacturers learn nothing from Smith & Wesson?

[@ironhead2008]

They'll have to learn it again. Gun owners grind axes for a long time. There are guys out there who still won't buy Ruger after what Bill Ruger did to gun owners and he's been dead for years!

[@boomerkobold3943]

Scott Bacon What did S&W do?

[@ironhead2008]

Austin Page IIRC, they cut an idiotic deal with Clinton's Justice Dept. in the last 2 years of his term. Clinton had been leaning on all the big gunmakers at that time. It was an utter disaster: it turned into a PR mess and was a massive sales disaster. The backlash was such that no other gunmakers made a similar deal with the admin. The end result was S&W being sold by the British company that owned it at the time to a US investment firm after Bush II was inaugurated. The deal was scrapped and S&W promptly came out with the .50 S&W Magnum, as an apology I guess!

[@Wysiwyg101]

Not only that but, they are still putting locks one some of their lineup. Evidently they don't want to pay to change the tooling to not include the locks.

[@davmatt74]

Also they were going to focus sales and manufacturing to mostly law enforcement and military and cut back on civilian sales. Now you have the M&P(military and police) line where that came from

[@golf-n-guns]

Pay-to-play is a great way to describe this and most things in politics. A little off topic, but health insurance is the same way, since big pharma has a HUGE lobbying industry. Time to truly drain the swamp and *take our country back!*

[@jamesalexander2401]

It really does matter what happens in other states, it could easily come to my state or your state. Each state is battling it's own 2nd Amendment issues and we should be working together as Americans to strengthen the 2nd Amendment. People like you and other youtubers help get the word out to a lot of people. Thank you for all your support and hard work.

[@WowEvanwoW]

youtube: iraqveteran8888 has uploaded a new video! me: *closes 12 tabs of pornhub*

[@ZacHawkins42]

Evan DuBois How many hands do you have😂

[@melonman6956]

Evan DuBois Hands? I'M WORRIED ABOUT HOW MANY DICKS

[@hiramesensei3112]

Hard mode: continue fapping while watching gun gripes

[@that1guy997]

Those are rookie numbers! You gotta pump those babies up!

[@kenatthedump9865]

Evan DuBois you don't do both? KZbin on my x box, porn on my phone.

[@LeadPoison556]

To hell with springfield armory and rock river!!

[@keithbrandson6293]

Another insidious aspect of the proposed Illinois regulations on small firearms dealers is that it may later be used in other states and called "common sense gun laws already in place in some states..." Definitely an infringement on the right to keep and bear arms.

[@doejohn8674]

Many thanks from Switzerland for your support of our gun rights through your membership of ProTELL!

[@thelefthandedshooter5760]

This was not a mistake by SA and RRA. Both CEOs are on the board of directors for IFMA. They just got caught due to social media. Screw SA and RRA.

[@stevekathylane1808]

I am a member of a really nice gun club in Illinois and one here across the bridge in my home state of Missouri. I attend the annual club meeting/fund raiser with the speakers reviewing problems with Illinois laws and upcoming bills. We Missourians are amazed at what these fine people have to deal with! We keep quiet and are respectful but literally want to kiss the Missouri side of Mississippi when crossing the bridge.

[@MOAONAABE]

homies in illinois got duped on that delayed CCW legislation they had to lick a salt block to get. now they thought they had an accomplishment, but the plates on your car are linked to the CCW and the foid and the FFL and the cops get the alert when you drive by them like a stolen car or a wanted felon. it was back door registration and now you risk a felony stop everytime you get behind the wheel. its a sad state of affairs

[@TheGM-20XX]

That's Rahm for you.

[@TheSaikou96]

MARVIN THE BOON fortunately most cops are pro 2nd amendment even in Chicago

[@Rvns556]

I really do have tons of respect for Eric and Chad. They hold to their word that they won't do business with these two companies. Coming from the common man in the country and not the rich man who can afford whatever gun, ammo, and accessory combination they please; I really do appreciate you guys sticking up for us. You really have not forgotten from where you come from and I will continue to support this channel and i feel as if i speak for a large amount of gun owners.

[@jwilson3985]

I haven't even visited cheaperthandirt.com since they charged $50/PMAG and I won't ever buy a SA (what idiots still put grip safeties on striker handguns?!) or RRA weapons.

[@johnwickstuckinthematrix8121]

Thystaff Thywill I remember $99 p mags @ card and I also haven't supported them or Dicks sporting goods since sandy hook. There a bunch of crooks and sell outs.

[@Hogheadsforbreakfast]

Im with you on the Cheaper Than Dirt boycot !!! I'm 37 yrs old and I was ordering from CTD when I was 16 yrs old, when they saw the opportunity to gouge us for $60 on a brick of .22LR bullets they jumped on it. I haven't visited their website or purchased anything from them since the Obama error ammo crisis when they stuck it to us. At one time I purchased 3/4 of my ammo from them, cases and cases of shotgun shells.... Bye bye baby. Sportsmans Guide, Able Ammo and other sellers get my money now.

[@GrOuNdZeRo7777]

About a month ago I bought my first Springfield Armory product, A XDM 9mm with threaded barrel... While I'm pissed I am not quite ready to boycott, Last thing we need is for 2 good gun manufacturers/importers to go out of business. If that happens the Anti-Gunners win twice.

[@DraganB52]

Springfield and Rock River arms WILL NOT SEE ONE DIME FROM ME.

[@2aamerica329]

Springfield and RRA are not getting any support over here. Those CEO's should be fired.

[@glockguy309]

This is why I defected from Illinois to the Free Republic of Texas.

[@hemigodre]

nah. texas aint free. you want free you hit the northeast kingdom. maine, vermont and new hampshire. constitutional carry, live free or die

[@oleredwhiteandblue3613]

I pooling my resources so I can get out as well

[@elgringo5137]

glockguy309 we ain’t so free anymore

[@Herb-bu7wz]

glockguy309.... spent a lifetime in Texas - it ain’t that great - it’s ok in a very mediocre way

[@davidjimenez7556]

Good on y'all for addressing this!

[@NattyGymBro]

Thank you for continuing to spread the news on this betrayal. I'm surprised there are still a lot of people in the gun community that doesn't know about this. I don't know if there's anything SA and RRA can do aside from selling their company that'll have me come back to buy those products ever again.

[@thecomingstorm5882]

Springfield and rock island knew exactly what was going on. they were just trying to drive out the competition

[@wacoonfire]

Rock Island Arsenal doesn't make 1911's or any complete weapons systems anymore.

[@Pabloperes675]

*rock river*.

[@archersfriend]

What else would you expect from the Socialist Republic of Illinois? I invite all Gun Manufacturers to come on down to TEXAS and to Refuse to Sell Firearms to the State of Illinois.

[@TheGM-20XX]

leave it to a texan to say something that stupid.

[@archersfriend]

Works for Barrett.

[@derekbrogan4241]

archersfriend yeah let's prevent every citizen of Illinois from owning a firearm

[@joeg2727]

archersfriend It really sucks living in liberal fucktard Illinois, my heart is always with Texas. can't wait to move there.

[@laserant]

archersfriend I talked to Lenny from the Glock store and he is considering moving to Alpharetta Ga...can't wait. ..great people. ..sorry Cali

[@combee112]

Checking in from europe here. Love reading these comments, and the passion you people have to keep your freedom. Makes me warm inside, but also sad to not have such rights myself.

[@The11eleven]

The head dude at Springfield Armory was found to be on the board of that lobbying organization the infa or whatever it's called

[@Ruggz1515]

Dang it Springfield!! I've been working hard, saving up money to buy an M1A from you guys...ugh!

[@jamessonger3]

I promise u one thing.... i wont buy from springfield again. And who cares about rock river anyways?

[@jamesbedell5787]

First of all, thank you for your service. This is a great review, bringing several things to light. ZERO COMPROMISE.

[@kaloy4289]

No views, 59 Likes 24 Comments. KZbin Logic.

[@FishFind3000]

RiskerDude that's just how KZbin has been for a LONG time... broken

[@Alkeides]

1st of all I wanna say THANK YOU for shining a light on some of the crap that Illinois residents go through. We are constantly getting hit with wave after wave of anti gun legislation. I appreciate you guys reaching out to try to keep us from drowning. Some days I feel like quitting and moving to another state. But with kids and a wife that wants to live close to family the move won't be easy. So everyone please! If you can call, write, and email these politicians. Thanks again.

[@daverem870]

not supporting them, look at magpul they left colorado and took their money with them you say no to tyrants

[@mruler360]

The Weapon Collection AFAIK, the "ban" is all but unenforced. Sheriffs aren't arresting anyone and nobody is getting in trouble for having 16+ rounders brought in from out of state.

[@mruler360]

The Weapon Collection Not to mention very few companies stamp/mold dates into their mags so it would be very difficult for a prosecutor to prove a "high capacity" magazine was bought/brought into the state after the ban.

[@daverem870]

Well most of us in CO already had a shit ton of mags and magpul was selling CO residents packs of 10 for like 90$ before the ban

[@mruler360]

daverem870 Which is one of the reasons why I gladly spend my hard earned money on Magpul products.

[@forgivenessisasixgun]

We enjoy Magpul here in Cheyenne Wy and I'm happy they are here

[@ryanmueller8378]

The IFMA IS ONLY Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms. The IFMA 2015 IRS 990 form lists Jay Keller (their lobbyist) as executive director, and three other directors: Dennis and Tom Reese--Springfield Armory, and Chuck Larson--Rock River Arms.

[@12799MaDeuce]

take a shot every time they say "cricket" or "pocket-lining"

[@TheGM-20XX]

Goodbye liver!

[@snoopdougie525]

Was it "cricket" or "crooked" It sounded like cricket lol

[@ZacHawkins42]

snoopdougie525 Crooked as a cricket's leg.

[@DuctTapeFan12]

I'm glad you guys sat down and had a civil conversation trying to address ways to help the issue. MAC was just blasting them all over social media turning everyone against the companies.

[@sirnewton8191]

This is crazy I feel bad for buying a Springfield Saint now. Anyways keep up the good work guys love this channel.

[@tseawell90]

Sir Newton The Springfield Saint is an overpriced gun anyways. You played yourself.

[@hunterodst]

Should have got a BCM.

[@andrewrowzee5411]

Sir Newton me2 I bought one too and feel bad too.

[@sirnewton8191]

Hunter Kimbell my friend bought a BCM they are literally the same rifle pretty much. By the time he changed the grip and the charging handle he spent more than what I paid for the Springfield. The only thing I put on mine is a reflex sight.

[@Khemtime]

I bought an M1A with my tax return about a month ago. Now I really wish I had just gone with a SCAR.

[@VxNemesis]

You are members of ProTell!? Very nice to hear, thanks guys, your support is greatly appreciated.

[@squib3083]

I will never purchase another product from Springfield Armory or Rock River

[@Rebellion1776]

Boycotting Springfield and Rock River Arms from now on

[@chicagobearsarms4795]

Thanks for the vids. I appreciate all of ya!

[@KillhouseFilmsInc]

So happens I live in Illinois, and am deeply concerned about this and other legislation that has been put forth in our state. I am a college student, and I regularly watch the iraqveteran8888 channel. I had the privilege this year of being involved in Model Illinois Government, an organization that allows college students from various universities and colleges to go to the Capitol in Springfield and participate in an accurate simulation of our State Government that involves taking the roles of actual legislators. I was a Republican in the House of Representatives, and I was designated the Committee Spokesperson for the Firearms and Transportation Committee, on the Minority side of course. All I can say is that I found it extremely difficult to deal with Democrats on gun issues, and it was especially frustrating to know that barely anyone even on the Republican side had any firearms experience. This bill being discussed is a perfect example of some of the absurd legislation that I had to fight against, in many cases on my own. I applaud iraqveteran8888 for helping Illinoisans combat the overwhelming influence of Chicago. The Democrats are afraid of anyone that knows anything about firearms entering the Capitol prepared to argue against them on a gun bill. The truth is our most powerful weapon, and all they have is a flimsy party line. I sometimes wonder why all the Democrats were shy when talking about guns around me. I think I know why. Anyway, thanks for all you guys do! I love the 600 yards videos. Do a Type 38 Arisaka for me. I'd like to see what it could do.

[@eldorados_lost_searcher]

"A divided house cannot stand." Nice use of a paraphrase from an Illinois politician.

[@hollandjames3543]

It was actually Jesus. But sure Lincoln said it, Jesus quoted him. Lol. Whtever you wanna believe.

[@smokeymountainrain]

"SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" is simple enough for a child to understand, so why don't politicians comprehend it?!? Im really sick of this bs in our country

[@Spidouz]

17:58 Proud member of the NRA... from France ;)

[@friscoray2]

Great discussion. Thank you for taking the time and addressing this important issue. I'm very disappointed based on what we know, however I also do agree that we can't be separated. I'm curious as to what the future holds and how we all move forward from this and become stronger, together.

[@tanksherman9875]

I'm hearing a lot of tough talk. Does this mean that Moss Pawn and Gun will no longer carry Springfield or Rock River?

[@RCHanlin]

Guys I'm so glad you got around to this issue. I first heard of it from Ski at the AK Operator's Union site where he REALLY made his feelings known (lol)... I'm an FFL here in Georgia and even though I'm not directly affected by this bill, I sent letters to both SA and Rock River voicing my concerns and to let them know that I plan to boycott their products in my shop. I received a response from both companies wanting me to contact them to "discuss" this issue further. Springfield Armory actually sent me a link to the NRA-ILA site basically stating their support for our 2A rights and to "Take Action"..! Ridiculous right?? Anyway Eric, I'm of the same mind you are and think both companies knew exactly what they were doing and now they see how this might truly hurt them in future sales and are pulling a Hillary Clinton..... Too late IMO... they've already screwed the pooch and there aint no going back...!

[@achristie901]

it actually says No Views

[@Menaceblue3]

then why am I here? why are you here??? WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON ?!?!

[@stykytte]

0 views and still in 360p, last time I was this early I had a time machine.

[@wolfbite7589]

😱

[@petercarteltail1694]

Illuminati confirmed

[@danrhomberg1663]

As a Freemason I noticed your comment...Oh crap, we've been noticed! Redirecting all of our influence back to deciding what's for lunch.... 81,980 views......Your welcome. :)

[@kevinlewis8642]

The first level headed video I have seen on the subject. I was beginning to lose hope. Thanks IV8888 and Chad for your review. No wonder you are my favorite channel.

[@YurrNext]

I hope someone tracks both their sales going forward to see how badly they screwed the pooch.

[@uga83joe]

Four years later and I still say To Hell with Springfield. Whenever I am in gun shops I still over hear how Springfield betrayed us. Coca Cola and Springfield are dead to me.

[@ryanb5142]

The state license thing is unconstitutional they can take it to court if it becomes law.

[@Seseous]

I grew up in Southern Illinois and loved it. Got into firearms about a year or two before I left for college in a free state. By the time I graduated, I realized how much better the firearms laws were in my college state, as well as the state in general. I've never moved back. Starting a family now, I realize that I never will. Thank goodness I went to an out-of-state school, since I never would have realized how bad IL was had I stayed.

[@quodpipax]

Eric, Chad, please make a vid "How far will a Makarov kill".

[@ralphnapierii1184]

Evgeny Bogatsky They already did, almost. Look up "How far will a 9mm kill?" A makarov is pretty much a 9mm at 90% strength

[@quodpipax]

Yeah, I know, it's Luger 9x19. But here is another story - 9x18 and Makarov pistol is a star of the show.

[@bludmakesgrassgrow]

Evgeny Bogatsky Roughly 25 feet, which is the effective range the average person can hit a man sized target with the pos that is the Makarov...

[@quodpipax]

25 feet equals = 7.62 meters. 7.62 equals AK. AK equals Russia. Makarov is a Russian gun. Your theory seems legit.

[@workhard9513]

I really appreciate you guys standing up for us.... Way to go guys.... Those of us in Illinois appreciate you all fights with us. I actually thought about moving to another state but decided to stay and fight for what is right. All of us should be members of the NRA and those of us in Illinois should be members of the ISRA...

[@Bnic5]

Its sad because I love my Rock River rifles. Great accuracy, great triggers (not Giesle great but good). I will no longer buy or support RRA

[@kenmorrison1725]

as an outsider I think EVERY American should support 2A regardless of whether you like guns or not. If the government manages to take part of all of that amendment away then they will go after other rights and amendment's that you do care about. As for Springfield and rock River I would vote with my feet and not buy from them ( at the moment ). it seems a bit sloppy to me if you are paying someone to do something and not keeping a close eye on what they are doing for your money.

[@phoneuser3569]

Boycott both those companies for life.

[@Texas240]

Springfield and RRA saying they "are still against the bill" is a bold faced lie. They're opinion on the State's legislation comment page was "neutral", not "against".

[@texasdeeslinglead2401]

on the flip side united airlines is happy we're not talking about them for a minute 😂

[@SimplyCassie]

I really appreciate that you discuss both sides. I posted a video on shooting my Rock River and got a comment. I had no idea this was going on. So I have been reading up on it and stumbled on your video. Thank you for your insight!

[@v8esprit]

It wouldn't bother me at all if they went out of business. Let that be a lesson to the industry. They will never get my money and I would shun anyone in the future if I saw they owned their products.

[@LifeStyle-uh1ns]

Congrats on your life memberships. I can't believe I actually beat you guys by over a year and even upgraded to Patrior life to help fund the NRA following the election victory on November 8 for America! To everyone else who is still on the fence. Join, call, write and contribute on promoting our issues and fighting the hypocritical ones! If every gun owner would get involved the only gun control left is the one you exhibit when shooting whatever you want to own at your favorite range/shooting area!

[@LifeStyle-uh1ns]

Regarding the RRA and SA issue, I would like to add my 2 cents. I understand everyone is pissed off and It is not great news to hear from them. However, they are 2 companies with great products and customer service. (I own their products and love them) I would like to give them a chance to redeem themselves. I would recommend, if you contact them, please be polite as the people answering the phone are people who work there and have families to feed and had nothing to do with the decision. Then politely communicate the message that you would like them to relay to their managers. If called enough, the companies will listen to their customers and will make things right. (In my experience with both firms with the products they sell, they have ALWAYS made things right with me, so why shouldn't they politically.) Hope this nonsense gets fixed as you want none of CA thinking in that state.

[@kwazadilla]

The nra should have a "no spam, no frills" membership option , I don't need your cheap hat and bags. it seems that a normal membership is only a way for them to sell your name to spammers and junk mailers.

[@Gerle71]

Things on Video Q: How can I reduce the amount of mail I receive from the NRA? A: Simply email us at [e-mail] or dial 800-NRA-3888 and request to be placed on the "Do Not Promote" list. This will significantly reduce the amount of mail you receive without affecting important mailings, magazine service, or your membership renewal.

[@CarlArriaza]

I am a citizen of IL. Thank you for this video. always been a fan and now a fan for life of your channel.

[@HELLER1116]

Those company's are dead too me!

[@doctoreff1]

I just checked the ILA sight and it looks like only residents of Illinois should take action and contact their representatives about SB1767.

[@charlesross8449]

I'm sorry for Illinois, but I'll be a Springfield FanBoy for life!

[@skg-vids]

Good video. Good to hear someone in the community more concerned with stopping the bill than putting 2 manufacturers out of business.

[@TimBucktooy]

Never again will l buy from either company...

[@rogers1064]

To all of the people saying "not a big deal, the bill won't pass anyways", that is not the point. Springfield and Rock River supported anti-freedom legislation, and just because the bill might not pass doesn't mean they are absolved from their actions.

[@ArcChain]

Amen, gentlemen.

[@mrPauljacob]

Yall are the best gun channel on youtube. Cheers from Texas

[@bowhunter4489]

Wow I will not buy any more from Springfield was going tomorrow to pick up the stant not now! going with ruger thanks Springfield and rockriver for letting everyone down also trading in all my XD and buying glock😎

[@robertuebinger4852]

Mike Rice ruger and smith and Wesson have both done similar things so if your not gunna buy from Springfield you shouldn't buy from those companies either

[@WilliamWellham33]

I would like to hear y'alls opinion on House Bill 280. As a fellow Georgia citizen and a current college student I would like y'alls input. A few issues I see with this are not being legally carry in the offices of teachers and not being able to carry in classes with high school students. I wonder if they will ask us to check them with police.