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[@xariacat]

All I know is that we should enforce whatever regulations it takes to keep guns out of Artemy’s hands.

[@Revan058]

Give all the guns to Pigeon! Let her replace her missing fur with a coat of STEEL AND GUNPOWDER!

[@TheTrogolizer]

Defund Artemy

[@IvanPopovArt]

paws

[@Berserk1Manga]

Guns don't kill people. Artemy kills people.

[@TheShicksinator]

@@IvanPopovArt beans

[@solareclipse4241]

Behind every American door should be a fifteen-pounder canon loaded with grape shot.

[@SaraphDarklaw]

Grapes are good.

[@KardasheviteUltravisionary]

Just as the Founding Fathers Intended

[@rodneyhobbs6507]

You can just do that. Black powder isn't considered a gun.

[@junewalker9341]

hey this would also work for classrooms!

[@kevray]

@@KardasheviteUltravisionary Unironically. They wanted merchant ships to have their own cannons lol

[@sabettiae]

Vaush needs to do some gun control debates vs both left and right

[@andreymontag]

In general, a debate of all the people who hate Vaush debating him simultaneously would be quite funny.

[@cameronpatterson130]

Vaush getting shot would be even funnier

[@ASolidSnack]

Unironically I think it's the only debate he'd actually be able to lose

[@thefebo8987]

Especially left

[@rane9096]

You mean actual left? Or liberal?

[@tirushone6446]

Just to clarify; most amries use automatic fire entirely as a suppression tool, to keep the enemies heads down behind cover (as bullets wizz over them) so other units can advance without getting cut down. When a soldier is actually trying to kill someone semi-auto is used because of the precision, the recoil and ammo expencece of full auto is just to much to make it justifiable at anything other then point blank as a lethal tool.

[@zagreus5773]

Jup, full auto technically less lethal than semi, for the reasons you described. The reason why it is illegal is, so that you can't form your own military. It's all backwards, weapons that would actually be useful for a militia are illegal, while those that excel in killing unarmed civillians are legal.

[@LikeGod_ButBetterLooking]

Also in wars only about 5% of your army is making a real attempt to kill the enemy*. The 95% are trying to looking like they're killing people while mostly just trying to avoid dying or causing any casualties. It is why artillery is so strong in war. The firers have no connection to the targets so fire indiscriminately and that results in far more death than having 95% of your soldiers intentionally missing as much as possible... *this percentage can go up significantly in a religious war.

[@tirushone6446]

@@LikeGod_ButBetterLooking sounds like some bs.

[@LikeGod_ButBetterLooking]

@@tirushone6446 like people in general are hard wired to not want to kill people. We are a social species 🤷‍♂️

[@diegorincon4673]

It’s been like that with pretty much all automatic weapons. The Germans ordered that the sturmgewehr 44 be used is semi-automatic in something similar to the double-tap, but to be used in fully automatic as suppressive fire or in bursts of three to four in desperate situations. One show that got smgs right was generation war, in which Oberleutnant Wilhelm Winter uses it almost exclusively for suppressive fire.

[@SirKickBan]

Something missed here that Vaush might want to look into: Attaching a title to every gun, the same way you do with cars, requiring all sales of a firearm to include the changing of the title at an appropriate location, and making those records digitally searchable. This can cut down on straw purchases and illicit person-to-person sales by making the official owner of the title liable for anything done with their firearm, etc. etc.

[@jendelreavis358]

Wait this isn’t the fucking case? But it is for god damn cars? Wheely rollers??

[@treytonbostick9717]

@Rohan Orton I'm just pulling this out of my ass but I'd say it would likely be something where everyone has several months to a few years to voluntary apply for titles for their firearms (hopefully at no cost). After that period ends the law would take effect and being found to have an unregistered gun is punishable by law, and title-bearers become more responsible for the security of their firearms.

[@treytonbostick9717]

I'm not really sure how to help identify the gun but maybe a RFID chip could be attached at registration or they need to be painted with a high-vis marking somewhere (maybe an exception for hunting rifles). These could be copied illegally but at least it'd be harder to do.

[@Jack-fw4mw]

@Rohan Orton Is it stolen? You better report it stolen within X days, otherwise you are an accomplice. Yes, this would basically require responsible gun owners make use of a gun safe; this was already the case though (if you are responsible, your gun is already either secured or you have it on your immediate person).

[@redblankie1219]

Driving a car is a privilege, not a right. More people die to cars than guns. You're calling for a gun registry, which leads to confiscation.

[@jloiben12]

53:08 One big thing you can do is title guns. So if you own a gun and you give it to someone else without titling to that other person the original owner can also be responsible for how the gun is used. This can do a lot for making the gun culture better

[@xzraiderzx308]

I imagine that's a great solution to close up most illegal gun sales. Like with car titling.

[@jloiben12]

@@xzraiderzx308 It certainly isn’t perfect but it would go a long way and would have a fairly small impact on one’s ability to own or use guns

[@isaac_marcus]

This is a bit similar to my friend's meme answer, which rather than a title is that when you buy one you get 2-3 witnesses to sign off saying you're fit of sound mind etc. Then if the gun is used in a crime the owner and witnesses are all held liable. (again meme answer so some implied exceptions aren't noted) I like the idea of titling though. Seems reasonable at a glance

[@pumkinswift8263]

WAIT, THEY ARENT TITLED??? CARS have titles!

[@Revan058]

@@pumkinswift8263 Nope, gun nuts are violently against any sort of registry or tracking because they screech like fucking baboons about how it ~always~ leads to confiscation. With zero proof, of course. They even got the ATF and adjacent agencies and gun stores banned from doing a lot of the paperwork on guns with anything but actual paper. No computers allow to be used to index databases. It's actually deranged. Again, with the fear mongering of 'T-they might try and take all the gunz!' Hogshit. It's directly lead to a lot of people slipping through the cracks and getting their hands on shit they shouldn't.

[@phorggyye6884]

as a suicidal person I would rather kms with a gun than any other mode as I have tried them, sharp objects are usually ineffective, painful, and slow. substances have a high opportunity of being ineffective, painful, and when ineffective can lead to a slow painful death like liver failure. constricting air, slow, usually painful, to get to high places takes time and can make you change your mind, automobile accidents are sometimes ineffective and cause worse outcomes. so for the most part, Guns are quick, painless, and require no time in between feeling suicidal and retrieving the firearm if theres one already in the home.

[@MsPaintLink2]

I know shit like this doesn't exactly "get better" per se, but I hope you're able to find some contentedness between everything.

[@arlaux1099]

Yeah, but what if you don’t die? Now you’ve got a big fucking hole in your head. That’s actually why movies now have people put guns in their throat instead of to the temple. If you fire a bullet into your temple there is a decently likely change you might survive, if you do it to the throat you take out the brain stem and instantly die. It’s more human thst way so now movies do it that way, it’s just better for people to do it that way if they want than to spend an entire life suffering due to brain trauma. Really interesting and actually a bit of humanity from Hollywood.

[@zacheryeckard3051]

Suicide by car is common for this reason.

[@filelps1178]

You see though, the thing is that i believe the majority of people who attempt suicide, regret doing so. Like the 29 people who survived jumping off the golden gate bridge regretted it (as an example). Guns do not give you a second chance. Guns don't let you have an out. It's a quick choice people may make even if they're not that entirely depressed in general. I agree it seems to be one of the best ways to go out, but even though we may want to die, living should be the better choice and we should avoid giving people that choice unless they're like terminally ill or smth lol.

[@Bruh-hq1hx]

Killing yourself with a gun still can just not work, even if you shoot yourself in the brain

[@dogearflopper7011]

So many mass shootings are suicides at their root. I wonder if recontextualizing mass shootings as extraordinarily destructive suicides would change the way grants and funding are allocated. 🤔 It's a semantic thing, but words mean a lot to people.

[@MarkArandjus]

Beau of the Fifth column has an explanation for why shootings went up after the band was lifted and why it has nothing to do with the ban. Video is called: Let's talk about if the ban worked. I really wish Vaush had Beau on for a gun convo, that man has SO MUCH useful info.

[@noventia8125]

Lovely to see this without the hour and a half Rose Wrist stunlock about 20 minutes in.

[@anthonytitone]

Simple steps I think we should take are 1) get rid of gun show loopholes 2) mandatory classes similar to drivers Ed for citizens who want to own guns, minors can use parents guns with parental supervision if they also take the class 3) requirement to buy/show proof of already owned gun case or locker when buying a weapon

[@Terminalsanity]

Me: Step 1: Establish a national gun registry and require gun manufactures to imbed serial numbers via IR codes into their parts that can't be removed without destroying those parts. While increase enforcement of the illegal manufacturing of guns and gun components. This will go far to curb illegal gun sales and straw purchasing. Step 2: Ban the public sale and manufacture of magazines with more that 10 rounds and offer a buy-back/trade in program to facilitate it. Step 3: Make the national requirements of purchasing semi-automatic rifles far more restrictive akin to attaining a CCW in states like New York and California.

[@re-vision_]

@@Terminalsanity This won't be abused at all.

[@Terminalsanity]

@@re-vision_ Its far less likely to be abused than your cell phone and internet data is already is. It will be about as abused as license plates and vin numbers on your car. I mean I hate to break it to you but big corporations/government really don't give 2/10ths of a sh!t about the firearms currently available to the general public. Because unlike the general public they pretty much pose no threat to them in their gated communities and resorts that you and I aren't going to be able to get within a 1000 yards of most the time. Things are the way they are precisely because there's more money in selling guns to the mentally unbalanced and criminals than there is in implementing the sort of gun polices that could and likely would make the general public safer.

[@re-vision_]

@@Terminalsanity Man what fantasy do liberals live in? Only chuds are going to have firearms if you get your fantasy buy back. Are you aware that there are more firearms in this country than people? Who are you going to put in charge of collecting all of those? The same cops who didn't protect those kids, but will murder someone over selling cigarettes? Liberals really can't decide if they love or hate the government. They are taking away bodily autonomy as we speak. They are passing book bans. Where do you think this is all headed?

[@lapiscenturion]

@@Terminalsanity just buy nerf gun Mags paint it black ez money

[@peterbard]

The percussion cap was a very important invention in gun history

[@willstout5988]

Was highly critical of your video on gun control the other day Vaush, and I appreciate you doing this research stream and giving transparent facts, instead of making an arguements based on entirely your worldview, and working backward from that. I still disagree with some of your policy prescriptions and ideas, but I’m happy you’re at least amiable to addressing *facts*, and not biased bs.

[@cameronpatterson130]

Lmao as if anti gun control people aren’t biased

[@Terminalsanity]

The stats he provided were highly bias though, say like the stat he sighted that shows that most shooting involve hand guns but that is not true of mass shootings. Nor did he acknowledge that the body counts at such mass shooting events fell during the assault rile ban.

[@cameronpatterson130]

@@Terminalsanity that guy is saying it’s unbiased because he’s a gun fetishist and Vaush was arguing as if gun fetishism is normal

[@marciamakesmusic]

@@Terminalsanity look up what the AR ban actually did

[@Terminalsanity]

@@marciamakesmusic I have and it still had that positive impact limited and flawed as it was which should tell you something.

[@sassyviking6003]

The suicide thing makes perfect sense to me. I know for a fact I would not be alive today if I had access to a gun in high school or college.

[@trashrabbit69]

Matchlock, flintlock, and stunlock.

[@TheDoomSheep]

I'm kind of against regulating magazine capacity because it's very quick to reload, like 1 second if you practice, and it could be used as a regulation to SEEM like they're doing something to stop gun violence while not doing anything at all and they'll continue to rake in gun company donations. I don't want our pleas to DO SOMETHING ANYTHING to end up with the politicians ONLY regulating mag size because that won't do anything by itself.

[@grapefruit2423]

ammo background checks actually bring up an interesting point, if someone passes a check when they get their gun but then something happens afterward that would cause a fail, if they’re checked each time they buy ammo it keeps their background up-to-date of sorts, right?

[@KardasheviteUltravisionary]

I know this is just my opinion, but why is some of the more interesting bits (imo) going to the second channel instead of the main channel?

[@lurkingposter]

Based on what the editors think will get the most views.

[@KardasheviteUltravisionary]

@@lurkingposter You don't understand, I clearly demonstrate better media-sense which is why this should be on the main channel! /s

[@katyyulig]

“Gun research stream” is not clickbaity enough for main.

[@specialknees6798]

Main channel is more for explicitly political stuff(with loads of exceptions of course), and this one is more for the other stuff. Media, gaming, random drama etc… I tend to really prefer the Vaush pit lately tbh.

[@KardasheviteUltravisionary]

@@katyyulig "WERE THE LIBS RIGHT ABOUT GUNS???" Ofc throw in the red arrows, red circles, and SoyVowsh for good measure.

[@notannie4798]

In France you can actually fight back. But it depends. Imagine you left in the evening your front gate and front door opened and you find a guy watching TV. You can wack him because he s not threatening and you acted like an idiot but leaving your house opened. However, if both doors were locked and he s currently watching TV, the fact that he put effort and will to break in implies that he s a threat. You need to tell him to leave but if he doesn't you can shoot. Shooting in your ceiling is one way to tell him off too

[@ASolidSnack]

I'm really glad Vaush did this, he made me change my mind on guns in the first place and I've been very conflicted on them recently. I'm trying to form a more holistic view.

[@ASolidSnack]

@bo rick I'm still conflicted because I don't like the idea of the state being able to disarm anyone they want, but it's an objective fact that gun control leads to fewer deaths and less crime. I've also had suicidal ideation that absolutely would have lead to my death if I owned a gun at the time. In a perfect anarchist society, conditions would make it so people mostly don't need to kill each other, but I can't deny that right now in the present a lot of people are dying who otherwise wouldn't.

[@zacheryeckard3051]

@@ASolidSnack Mm... gun control leads to fewer *gun* deaths and *gun* crime. It doesn't lead to an overall reduction in violence or crime, just changes the nature of it.

[@ASolidSnack]

@@zacheryeckard3051 true. The countries that have more lax gun laws relative to crime rates also have less oppressive criminal justice systems and some have mandatory military service. I think QOL is going to be the most essential element in reducing gun crime.

[@janefkrbtt]

@@zacheryeckard3051 yeah no shit. Banning knives wouldn't bring down gun crime, now would it?

[@lordpessimism]

@@zacheryeckard3051 The US has five times the homicide rate of the UK, and three times that of Canada. The difference is entirely guns. Gun control does lead to fewer homicides total.

[@1911GreaterThanALL]

I have heard of an ERPO in Jersey against someone basically leaving negative reviews of medical field service. It is perpetrated against someone with pure accusal without evidence and without your day in court. This means it does not conform to the standard of due process and likely you would not get your firearms back under pure accusal until far after the fact if at all. If ERPOs are implemented in this way I cannot support them as your rights are violated in severe ways and multiple ways. In this example your first amendment, second amendment, due process, are violated without prompt/speedy trial/resolve.

[@razorsedge64ify]

It really isnt about banning guns. We just really do need regulation in line with other things we demand people show responsibility with. Homes, cars, ect ect If the gun culture in america was similar to other high gun places we may be able to get away with less, but in america we made them toys and symbols of manhood which just incentivizes poor irresponsible treatment so we need more regulation to make up for the current lack of social responsibility

[@fell5514]

Vaush shotguns are incredibly deadly against humans. It's not like video games man, it's not unusual to get six inch spreads of buckshot at like a hundred yards.

[@finngardiner5358]

And yet people don't tend to use them much against eachother

[@fell5514]

@@finngardiner5358 That's because there's just not much call to do so. Criminal activity is almost always going to use a handgun, mass shooters want the ammunition capacity of an intermediate rifle. But all that really means is that a shooter has to reload more frequently, and there are magazine fed shotguns that make that pretty quick and easy.

[@timbaland1540]

Not to mention if you're using slugs instead of buckshot at distance.

[@JakeFace0]

1:00:00 They have that in Australia too. If you own a firearm I'm pretty sure police can do a surprise inspection to make sure it's being stored safely. I don't think it happens very often.

[@EdwardSkihands]

Accidents = having less guns around. Would also work on number of other categories

[@jonathankershner2508]

Ah vaush. My favorite CIA and NRA streamer

[@WhyPhi]

For mass shooters and rifles vs pistols it's about power. Most people survive handgun wounds, same cannot be said for being shot with a rifle. There's a saying: "rifles are rifles, and pistols are pistols" Not much difference between rifle calibers among each other or pistol calibers among each other... but a significant difference between rifle and pistol calibers. In a mass shootings given the same number of people being shot, if a rifle is used there will without a doubt be more death than if done with a pistol. Rifles cause tearing several inches away from wound channel, pistols do not.

[@ashleycalhoun1824]

I will say this on the topic of firearms. The marketing behind AR's and other semi-automatic firearms is excessive. It's truly a vast collection of influencers and manufacturers that make American gun culture what it is. A lot of the mainstream education on defensive firearms pushes people to feeling the excess need to have an AR, and have a modern handgun. It's great for us on the left if leftists competently own them, it's a great force multiplier in future incidents of societal breakdown and possible right wing power grabs. However I think that the advertisement that goes into propping up the sales of AR's has just been the biggest driver of toxic, dangerous gun culture. For most civilians, it overblows the need for one, and creates a level obsession with weapons, tactics, and equipments. I am a gun owner myself, however I think the best thing that can be done is treat gun companies like we treat any other privately owned business. With extreme criticism towards their marketing, and general hostility towards their goals.

[@rainbowkrampus]

Vaush calls high capacity magazines "normal capacity". It goes to show the extent and influence of the marketing machine here. Anything over 6 rounds was uncommon before the 70's. High capacity, military style weapons are now considered "normal" and the mere suggestion that things don't need to, and in fact shouldn't, be this way is galling to the people who have bought into fucking advertising of all things. I believe it was The Atlantic who have an article going over the history of how these military style weapons came to be normalized. As you say, it's all down to capitalism and marketing. Obviously being critical of this doesn't change the fact that we are at this point where a 30 round rifle is viewed as normal. But I think it's important to acknowledge it and to not assume that this has to be considered normal or desirable going forward. The only use for high capacity semi-auto weapons is the maiming and killing of people. We should be critical of this to the extreme. As we should also be of the marketing and lobbying which goes on in the background to normalize the idea that we're all under some constant threat and need to be ready for literal war at any moment. It's little wonder cons love their guns so much. This toxic stew of fear and paranoia plays right into their higher than average amygdala response and left or right, buying firearms and ammunition continues to fuel this descent into violent ideation.

[@ashleycalhoun1824]

@@rainbowkrampus I'm not opposed to calling 30 round mags standard capacity, this is mostly word play that both gun owners and regulation advocates piss time away doing. The bigger issue is the advertised need for it.

[@cass7448]

See also: "Traditional" weddings, "Diamonds are forever", "Don't be a litterbug".

[@MrNaptyme]

That's odd, the only marketing I typically see for AR-15 is generally news making it sound like the most powerful assault weapon ever created. I honestly can't recall the last time I seen an advertisement for an AR-15 since possibly that time the History Channel had that one show about the gun maker in Louisiana.

[@ASolidSnack]

If Vaush reads this: you should check out some of the prefectural firearm laws in Japan. They're very restrictive but if nothing else they're interesting. Pls do not ban

[@TheTrogolizer]

probably the best thing about Japan's firearms laws is the effect it had on the hobby industry. It almost certainly gave rise to a generation of engineers who would make incredibly complex versions of real firearms in the form of airsoft. These toy guns would shoot tiny plastic balls, instead of the lethal iron ones that started it all. Airsoft is cooler than real steel, change my mind.

[@defensivekobra3873]

Like voosh said, due to infinity guns being present in the US, it's hard to compare restrictive gun laws in other countries with things those silly american might pass

[@LikeGod_ButBetterLooking]

@@defensivekobra3873 which is why gun control needs to be a process and you need to attack demand before you introduce true gun control.

[@ASolidSnack]

@@defensivekobra3873 correct, but what this would address is licensing, instead of controlling the supply/purchasing. In Japan to own any firearm you have to have a license which needs to be renewed every three years with a simple test that any responsible gun owner should be able to pass easily. One of the solutions people tout in the US is controlling ammunition, and I think that could apply here-- to purchase ammo, you simply need a valid license. Obviously enforcement would be the bottleneck here. But I think it's definitely worth looking into a solution that ensures people with guns are responsible, rather than trying to control what type people can get.

[@TheTrogolizer]

@@thinkharder9332 This is why we see clear plastic or neon colored airsoft replicas, but yeah, the regulations are likely necessary. Like real weapons, there's a time and place for use. Big difference is one is clearly a slightly dangerous toy intended for pure recreation where the other will always be a lethal weapon first. Not gonna lie, Canada and Australia have some intense regulations on airsoft.

[@Tymbus]

What this brings home to me is that Americans need to give up their irrational love of guns. Vaush's excitement in talking about weapons, their history and design, starkly points to the problem in the USA. Remarkable!? No just sad.

[@amerashi1111]

Cope

[@murica7095]

I mean I'm not American but like it's their culture

[@longtomjr22]

People are excited to learn about interesting things. I don't own guns but find them very interesting from a mechanical and historical perspective.

[@harrylion6689]

Are people no longer allowed to be military history or equipment enthusiasts now? Gun interest and enthusiasm is fine as long as people are responsible about it.

[@defaultlogos2976]

What irrational love for guns have you seen from Vaush?

[@sillysimic79]

From someone literally JUST getting into guns, the AR-15, M-16 and M-4A1 are basically the same. Didn't hear that from me though, I just call all assault rifles Armalites, the same way your grandma might call all video games the Nintendo

[@johno1544]

Basically the same except their basic function of semi auto, full auto and burst fire select. Selective fire has been heavily regulated since the 80s and no new ones have been produced for sale since then

[@ghf____]

Now this is the good stuff to watch, prepping to debate my friends about guns

[@Daniel-rh7gw]

Debate with honor.

[@RockPile_]

debate me about guns

[@cameronpatterson130]

Cringe

[@AdamKrylon]

I consider myself very knowledgeable about modern firearms and I'd gladly answer and niche questions you might have.

[@RockPile_]

@@AdamKrylon knowledge about firearms doesn’t really speak to whether or not it would be better for them to not be owned by civilians

[@dreamerfrostbite2066]

im from Australia so I know im already biased and objectively incorrect on this issue, however I do think better regulations and better mental health helps a lot and I really respect vaush for taking the time to research this stuff. I might not like guns but that doesn't mean we should stop good and sane people like vaush from having them, and he has some pretty decent takes on guns.

[@misirtere9836]

Also Australian here. The way Vaush keeps talking about guns makes it clear that he's in favor of an Australia-like gun control policy, he just thinks it's so entirely infeasible with how America is that it's not even worth attempting to advocate for. This is on two fronts. First, if it really does turn out to be so infeasible, actually attempting to implement it wouldn't fix anything. And second, it's bad optics, because i dunno, 2nd amendment or something. Couldn't tell you if he's actually right about that, but it's something worth taking into account. I did recently hear that Australia had a mass weapon assault about a week ago. But because it was Australia, the weapon in question was... a didgeridoo. The musical instrument. Three injuries, no deaths. Made the news. It's not really that relevant, but it is very funny.

[@dreamerfrostbite2066]

@@misirtere9836 thanks that actually helps a lot and explains his stance in this video quite well. I haven't finished yet but the video is almost over and so far im really happy and impressed with his takes. also wow that news story is hilarious, a didgeridoo being used to attack someone is such a cartoonishly Aussie thing to do, and I love it xD

[@cass7448]

@@dreamerfrostbite2066 Didgeridoos were the only weapons permitted to us in the peace treaty with the emus.

[@adabsurdum5905]

The American Government ain't the Australian government. There is a lot to be said about acceptable risk in relation to a threat. They will have to Waco me before I get on the train.

[@CallMeFreakFujiko]

How is mass shootings being a regular occurrence not be all the argument anybody would need to want to at least have a ban on auto and semi-auto rifles? How much more research do you need that isn't "hey there were over 200 mass shootings this year and it's not even half-way over. Maybe we should do something about guns?"

[@shaunsmith9752]

What do you think would be the response of responsible gun owners to these bans (of which there are many)? What makes you think that the type of person who would commit a mass shooting wouldn't purchase these guns illegally? Why isn't the response "we need better mental health resources that will prevent someone from even reaching this point and we need to stop the spread of fascist alt right propoganda?"

[@thedoctor1346]

Because if you literally bothered to watch the research stream, Vaush showed stats that handguns are the main tool used to perpetrate shootings, not rifles.

[@Terminalsanity]

@@thedoctor1346 Because Vaush used stats from all shootings not mass shootings, because and it hurts for me to say this when it comes to this subject he's a biast hack.

[@xzraiderzx308]

@@Terminalsanity We should be focusing and building gun control policies exclusivesly as it pertains to mass shootings, the minority fraction of gun deaths?

[@lordlubu3029]

@@xzraiderzx308 "We should focus on building vaccines and protocols for Covid when more people die of heart disease and flu?" This is how dumb this argument is. How about we address BOTH mass shootings and regular gun violence? Saying that mass shootings aren't an issue just because other gun violence is bigger is not only stupid but gross. Are you OK with kids being killed in schools by something that is completely preventable?

[@noahmarler716]

I really appreciated this stream as it put to rest a lot of the fear I had about Vaush’s…mmm I won’t say blind support but I can definitely say unwavering support for guns. I was pleasantly surprised on his positions on a number of topics raised here, considering the rhetoric he’s used in the past. I still feel Vaush could be flipped on some gun reform, although I agree some are stupid. I also learned a few new reform proposals that I hadn’t before watching this, which I really enjoyed. S’why I always be coming to Vaush for the facts.

[@diegorincon4673]

The gun vaush showed is the CAR-15, a derivative of the AR-15. He was right.

[@Vbytsia]

EXTREMELY based. Like, I’ve never agreed with someone online more.

[@dellabooty]

This should be called a confirmation bias stream not a research stream

[@UKickMeDog]

Lol

[@Slugbunny]

The history and tech parts were like listening to a high schooler explain to the class what he remembers from a few KZbin videos.

[@goodvibestv5380]

WOAHHHH EAR SOCK IS GONE

[@1911GreaterThanALL]

The problem with background checks specifically is that they operate differently depending on state. Some are required to be run through NICS AND state equivalent databases however some do not - it just depends.

[@appa609]

Hunting rifles are basically identical to sniper rifles. The 2017 Vegas shooting was prosecuted in part with this type of firearm from a high hotel balcony overlooking the crowd. That was the deadliest shooting of all. Hunting rifles can be just as dangerous in the right hands.

[@DaveIsHere28]

I find guns really fascinating but I also thank God I wasn't born in a country where they are aplenty

[@therealslinkcoin]

yeah mass shootings are rare, they’re becoming increasingly less so. i don’t think we should wait until they become more common before doing something about it. police brutality is pretty rare too but i’ve heard vaush say he’s for police reform

[@liqmrothmqn9204]

26:24 this mf for real forshadowed his mistake

[@JassZoigel]

it would need to be a voluntary relinquishment, which seems highly unlikely.

[@RedShocktrooperRST]

Well, no, machine guns aren't really banned. Not if you're rich. See, the registry closed back in the 1980s under Reagan with the Firearm Owner's Protection Act, and since then transferrable machine guns have become effectively a luxury item. Unless you're a dealer, but that still requires a good chunk of change.

[@DanCambell]

the thing is tho. criminals arent walking around with muskets. law abiding citizens should be able to have the same, if not more power than those criminals. it not only makes a deterrent, but it levels out your chances.

[@andrewgreenwood9068]

Except if everyone has a gun it is really hard to know if someone is planning a shooting then where as if only criminals have a certain type of weapon it is far easier for the police to prevent shootings. Of course this would require the police to be way better than they are

[@1911GreaterThanALL]

The problem with claiming that majority of mass shootings (highly dependent on your definition of mass shooting) are committed with a long gun of any type is that majority of mass shootings are not high profile and they are overwhelmingly not centered around schools and the like. Majority of mass shootings are actually linked to handguns and drug/gang relationships. The same reason why firearms are more effective or more commonly used in shootings is that rule 1 of a gun fight is having a gun to begin with. In certain situations for the reason of gang protection against rival gangs is not being caught with a firearm and to go about your daily business.

[@Dexanimus]

You are very wrong about shotguns. You’re right that they aren’t used often in school shooting, but they WOULD be very efficient in that situation. Pistol grip, drum fed, short barreled shotguns would make excellent tools for school shootings. Garand thumb did a very good video about shotgun lethality.

[@MrNaptyme]

There are several weapons that would be far more efficient than an AR-15 in school shootings, it's almost a good thing that the news typically focuses on the "scary black rifle". Multiple handguns is arguably the worst case scenario as the ability to easily conceal multiple handguns allows the shooter to get much closer to his/her intended targets before they are aware there is danger.

[@verager2493]

Ya... Jesus. The rest was OK, but saying it's not good at killing people... It's the most lethal per shot *because* of the spread. It's just less good at follow up shots unless you really practice. Reloads might be slower if you're using a tube, but let's be real, nobody's charging a shooter, and it's not super slow to load exactly one shot, which is when the gun is lethal again

[@MrNaptyme]

@@verager2493 I'm wondering if there will ever be a time that we can see a meaningful debate on this issue. Both sides are so full of misinformation and/or just simply uneducated to the point that there can be no serious back and forth about the topic. I give Vaush credit for at least trying to do some research on the topic.

[@camerongalles8617]

@@MrNaptyme Virginia Tech being the best example... still one of the most deadly shootings in the u.s. and one of the pistols was even a .22

[@sillysimic79]

On the subject of engraved guns there was a pretty PPK I saw that was engraved and I want to say the slide was sterling silver I REALLY wanna get, but it was like $2,000 which I think is literally more money than I've ever had at one time

[@1911GreaterThanALL]

You can pick up a shotgun for under 300 dollars. Supposing 12 gauge with a legal length 18 year old requirement means it is at 18.5'' long, smooth bore and no choke. With this configuration the spread that you would get even at 10 yards would be no bigger than a half dollar. Shotguns are very much still aimed weapons even at greater distances in the out of doors. Depending on the buck that you have loaded you would typically get 8-9 pellets of 32 caliber traveling FASTER than 32 acp. In essence assuming all pellets hit you have been shot 8-9 times with 32 acp with a decent hunting or self defense load of 00 buck. Trying to implicate shotguns as not effective in the same venues where a mass shooting is common is not a great argument. Ballistically they are entirely effective. You can make shotguns even more effective at longer ranges with longer barrels and/or chokes. The constant misunderstandings of firearms in general and shotguns in particular continue.

[@LotharOfTheHillPeople]

"Well buybacks didn't work in this one case where the city paid $50 for however many guns you turned in -- must not work in any case!"

[@vertypop777]

for a buy back to be really effective they would have to buy the guns at a profit to the owners which means the gov paying about 25% markup on the market value of the gun minimum and the most effective part of such a program would be the raw cash temporally helping the previous owners finically

[@LotharOfTheHillPeople]

@@vertypop777 You're misunderstanding the idea of a buyback. In your scenario, the government would have to outlaw sale and manufacture of new guns or the buyback money would just be used to buy more guns to sell to the buyback program (endless cycle). What it's addressing is guns that people have no use for. For example, I have several shotguns and rifles from my father in-law that are not quality enough to get top dollar for but could nonetheless be used to kill if they were to fall into the wrong hands. I'm not a gun-nut, so I don't keep up on values or know where to sell them. I would happily sell them to a buyback program.

[@vertypop777]

Oh I see that's a good idea

[@andrewgreenwood9068]

Here in Australia we have a gun Amnesty where you get no money but you can just hand an unwanted firearm in no questions asked.

[@lobete]

So much of this video is just conservative arguments we'd be shooting down on every other subject. No credence given to things like statistics for the positives of certain control measures, but a lot of story telling about how someone could get around a law. It's meaningless and we would never just ignore stats on benefits to play hypotheticals like this, we'd understand a law that is even partially effective can have benefits. Nobody says "it's easy to get around laws against speeding, let's abolish speed limits." We understand that's dumb.

[@camerongalles8617]

Laws on speeding can't hurt anybody. Any gun law that disarms someone who would otherwise be armed could cost lives such as 1 day after uvalde in West Virginia. Woman killed a man with her handgun who showed up to a party of 40 and opened fire with an AR15

[@lobete]

@@camerongalles8617 it's nice to create scenarios in your head about how the "Good guy with a gun will stop the bad guy with a gun," but we know the statistics show civilian intervention like this harms more often than helps. It costs lives. Vaush even admitted this in the stream.

[@camerongalles8617]

@@lobete it's not a made up scenario it literally happened a day after Uvalde lmao. There is NO agreed upon study for self defense gun uses because it's so poorly recorded and reported. Although there are 19 professional surveys with 17 being national that indicate huge numbers of defensive uses the NCVS found only 5% as many defensive uses than the main study people reference. It's attributed that people don't admit to their defensive uses to surveys on the subject specifically because of the question of legality after giving their full name and address. Even still this survey put the number at 116,000 defensive uses. This was also in 1993 and one thing everyone does agree on is that defensive uses have only likely increased over the years because of concealed carry holders permits and laws allowing people to carry dramatically increasing

[@Dr.Spatula]

I tried. I know too much about guns too watch this. I dipped pretty early

[@trivialqed]

interesting how the statistics that dont support his gun fetish are just correlations but the ones that do arent

[@FelisImpurrator]

Interesting how every comment you post is some kind of vapid smugposting about something you refuse to elaborate on. C'mon. Just admit your interest isn't in firearm policy, but rather virtue signaling.

[@Khalkara]

@@FelisImpurrator I agree with Trivial's description of Vaush, and I am interested in firearm policy. What is unclear to you?

[@FelisImpurrator]

@@Khalkara And? Opinions don't matter. Arguments and substance do.

[@trivialqed]

@@FelisImpurrator if substance mattered you'd stop tone policing and would elaborate on what u disagree with my comment. Throughout the vid he questions every unfavorable stat and dismiss most as correlations but not once he does it with stats that helped his position

[@Khalkara]

@@FelisImpurrator You complained to OP about "vapid smugposting" without elaborating on what it means. I'm inviting you to elaborate and asking you what is unclear to you, to discuss the substance which you claim to care about. So let's hear it, what do you want me to elaborate on?

[@Chris-yn5vf]

My tax info was some crazy foreshadowing

[@seancrawford8840]

He said shot guns are not good at killing things because of buck shot and its spread?!.. what shotgun have the most stopping power out of all the guns. It will literally dismember you when hit with buck shot or slugs

[@Terminalsanity]

Also they require the least accuracy at short range, hell most of them don't even have sights.

[@lordlubu3029]

He said they are not good at killing A MASS amount of people in a MASS SHOOTING. This isn't DOOM, the shotgun isn't some supergun that one-shots dozens of people. It doesn't hold a lot of rounds, buckshot requires you to be really close to be in an effective kill range, and it's very inconsistent.

[@seancrawford8840]

@Lord Lu Bu I'm sorry but you are wrong. You might be mixing up Buckshot with birdshot. birdshot has a widespread that becomes almost non-lethal at 15 yd to a human with clothing on. Buckshot is insanely deadly up to 50 yards and keeps a tight grouping out to about 30. The only reason shotguns aren't used in mass shootings is because of low capacity. The shells are large and most shotguns hold between 5 to 8 shells.. even a micro compact 9mn pistol can get 15 rounds per magazine Now days. But trust me, shotguns are the most terrifying things civilians have access to.

[@lordlubu3029]

@@seancrawford8840 That literally makes no sense, shotguns are not more accurate or deadly than rifles, period. If that were the case why are rifles standard for every combat soldier and not shotguns?

[@the-lag-gamerita5446]

Also,slugs exist.

[@beeawesome7140]

Bravo Zulu man, you did some learning on the pew pews. You're now ready to take on serious debate topics such as "Clip v Magazine". Exciting times, my friends.

[@vertypop777]

i like to clip the images out of magazines for art projects is that good or bad in this debate?

[@bed2149]

I like the idea of having 3 ppl vouch for you but that would stop any vaush viewers from getting a gun.

[@schnoz2372]

That’s not true

[@bed2149]

@@schnoz2372 what vaush viewer has 3 friends????

[@kylejc1219]

Obviously safe gun storage laws aren’t effective because Washington state has one and vaush’s rifle is leaning on the wall 😂

[@andyrihn1]

Assault weapons bans are super easy to get around. They’re more just annoyances

[@InsolentPro]

Even weak regulations could deter or delay people. Deterring or delaying a single individual could extend the lives of would-be victims. Let's not lose sight of what's important.

[@andyrihn1]

@@InsolentPro you have no idea what you’re talking about. You clearly have no idea what an assault weapons ban does or how it works

[@marciamakesmusic]

People in chat: "mass shooting" and "terrorist attack" are not synonyms. There have been a handful of the latter in 2022, and two hundred of the former

[@arthurgoonie4596]

yea but then you have to know mass shootings is only 3 or more killings at once and its hyper inflated by gang violence not alt right nut cases

[@angelaharwood416]

“Text kinda small” “get bigger eyeballs!” 😆

[@appa609]

The new M5 spear might be the best home defense weapon.

[@nopeperson2026]

There are things like concrete nail guns that use 22 caliber bullets so I don’t think you should need to own a gun to buy ammo

[@jasonfu2094]

Vasuh's lack of gun knowledge but the confidence with which he speaks about them is astounding.

[@1911GreaterThanALL]

The problem with background checks is that those ENTIRELY rely on the highly inaccurate governmental record keeping of the U.S.. I have been falsely denied a firearms transfer on more than one occasion even while having a level 2 security clearance, handgun carry permit, finger printed to work at an FFL, at the place requiring a level 2 security clearance, finger printed for the carry permit as well as a long background check in order to work at an FFL. As I sell firearms or help to transfer firearms to governmental employees on occasion these do get falsely denied as a result of the highly unreliable records the U.S. keeps. I have seen a Federal Air Marshal get denied. I have seen standard police get denied. I have seen active military with legitimate PCS orders get denied. I have seen citizens without legal status to be denied, be denied firearms transfers without just cause. I see no reason to trust background checks provided you know the above.

[@diegorincon4673]

A Sturmgewehr 44 was seen in Syria a while back. A working Second World War Haenel Sturmgewehr.

[@Hazborgufen]

Universal background checks would be fine if they didn't impose an excessive cost. Most proposed laws would give FFLs (gun stores) an exclusive monopoly on gun transfers. Those stores will then charge large fees to transfer a gun. If you really want universal background checks, why not open the FBI NICS system to private people? Let us call the NICS ourselves and have the FBI provide a unique identifier as proof that the check was done.

[@zacheryeckard3051]

On the other hand, that seems a real privacy concern, no?

[@jedpratte]

Many people myself included require proof of CCW for private sale of firearm. That at least tells me they are allowed to own firearms. I will not sell one without proof of ccw.

[@syeblaize]

In terms of 3d printed firearms reliability, there is a thing called the Makers Match, which is a home-made gun shooting competition. They have 3d printed and kit-built divisions. Reliability is not much of a concern for them. In addition, there is something call a Luty SMG. This is a gun made from things bought in a UK hardware store. The Luty in its original configuration is as barebones as an automatic weapon gets, so reliability IS a concern there, but it doesn't require any kind of high end tools to manufacture. I'm not saying this to say you're wrong about banning 3d printed guns, but that it is practically impossible to do so.

[@verager2493]

Ya, you'd have to ban 3d printing as a whole, and good luck with that

[@MRdaBakkle]

Switzerland has if I am not mistaken has regulated ammo.

[@austinhowley3907]

“We yeed AND we hawd” Editor smash cut A lot has changed so anyway …. BRO WHAT DID I MISS

[@1911GreaterThanALL]

An M-16 is different from an M-4 in that it is the same action (direct gas impingement) selective fire rifle chambered in 5.56n. They differ in furniture, firing modes, barrel length, barrel profile, changes in upper receiver in generation, ballistic performance in relation to barrel etc.

[@paintedhorse6880]

off the bat he made a mistake about the interpretation of the 2A. " Well regulated militia" meant something totally different than how we understand it today. "Well regulated" meant well equipped and well stocked, not regulated in the modern sense. And in those days a "militia" was literally anyone with a firearm who could take up arms in a time of need. It didn't have to be an actual organization recognized by the state.

[@flashthompson6566]

That's a lie the NRA started back in like the 70s. You can see in the Federalist Papers that "regulated" back then meant "complying with government regulations." Same as it does today.

[@jackmcglion8337]

There were some guns with gruves in the barrel during the American Revolution. Though they were more rare.

[@Sch1z0gam1ng]

Not fully related but the best of the rifled muzzle loaders came out of the Kybur pass in Afghanistan; they’re known as “jazeel rifles” (or however tf it’s spelled), and most of them were made from British Brown Bess muskets and had sights accurate out to 300 yards!

[@jackmcglion8337]

@Sch1z0gam1ng depends on how you look at it. But in terms of range, yes, those muskets were the best.

[@lordlubu3029]

I appreciate that Vaush is taking a more educated approach to this, but it kills me how much he belittles mass shootings. Like come on man, they are a serious issue, just because suicide kills more people doesn't mean that mass shootings can be ignored. This is the same logic COVID deniers use "well heart disease kills more people than COVID so therefore we shouldn't have lockdowns or masks and no vaccines!"

[@nattyfeatureseverything6179]

ya its not just a mental health issue its a civil unrest race relations and indoctrination issue as well

[@kangZ_94]

I wish we could pass regulation like Canada

[@staraptorflock3661]

Marx would be disappointed in you

[@kangZ_94]

@@staraptorflock3661 well too bad he's dead

[@timekeeper2538]

No.

[@arthurgoonie4596]

4:38 if you actually knew anything about anything you'd know the founding fathers were aware of developments in firearms and specifically choose not to exclude them from your rights to keep and bare arms. also you could own cannons and the puckle gun back then and they were are a lot more destructive than a musket.

[@walexander8378]

The founding fortune tellers...yeah sure

[@lordlubu3029]

Yea dude the founding fathers knew about AR-15s. Also got any citation on owning cannons? Although I imagine even if a person could buy a cannon it wouldn't matter since a cannon is a completely useless weapon outside of shooting at forts and ships, you aren't mowing down dozens of people with it nor would you be able to easily get ammunition for it

[@camerongalles8617]

@@walexander8378 do you think that the firearms we use today will be just as good as the ones we use 200 years from now? Anyone with an IQ above room temperature could guess that technology will improve and they were no different

[@readitandweep69]

Please talk to Skallagrim

[@highfatherizaya7059]

Yes, I'd love to see them talk about this

[@bewing77]

What we have here, in addition to background checks is first of all a number of certifications you need to pass, depending on weapon. But more importantly, you need to be active in a certified shooting club, you need to practice a certain amount of times each month and you need a personal recommendation from the club. You need to do this for a period of time before getting a license, the heavier the gun, the longer the time - for an AR15 or similar it’s 4 years. After receiving your license you need to keep this up, if not your license is revoked. You also need to pass follow up skill tests, much like with a drivers license renewal. I think this works very well, it allows anyone to own the weapons, if they’re dedicated and can show they’re suitable to do so while it ensures very few unsuitable people can.

[@jeffreysugar5709]

where are you from?

[@bolshevikY2K]

One view? Let's go I'm early

[@tylerdicky7046]

AR and M4/M16 are all the same thing. The M4/M16 have different trigger mechanisms with the 'burst' option

[@1911GreaterThanALL]

If you were to take a look at gun crime according to the FBI released UCR you will notice Handguns overwhelmingly used in gun crimes and more to the point handguns used far more effectively used in gun homicide. If you were to look at figures pertaining to rifles (FBI does not discriminate on what type) it is far more common for people to use their hands/fists/feet etc far more often in terms of homicides. So including ALL rifles someone without any type of firearm is still used more commonly to kill someone else in America compared to any type of rifle OR long gun.

[@RationalMind]

At 24:20 Vaush brings up suicides by guns, and tries to counter the argument: "if they didn't have a gun around, they would kill themselves with another tool", saying that having a firearm in the house significantly raises the chance of suicide. He then quotes from a study (well, a press release for the study), saying "men who own handguns are 8 times more likely to die of gun suicides than men who don't, and women who own handguns are 35 times more likely than women who don't." He doesn't seem to notice that right there in his quote, it's made clear that these numbers are referring specifically to gun suicides, not all suicides, which was the point he was trying to address. Clearly, if you have a gun in the house you're likely to commit suicide using a gun than people without such easy access to a gun - the question is whether or not owning a gun makes you more likely to commit suicide at all. The same study (Studdert et al. (2020) Handgun Ownership and Suicide in California. NEJM) did actually report relevant figures - for overall suicide risk by any means, handgun owners were between 3.3x (male) and 7.2x (female) more likely to commit suicide than non-gun owners. Still significant, but not as dramatic as Vaush thought/said. As usual, it pays to go beyond the headline and actually read the article.

[@1911GreaterThanALL]

What does a rifle having a pistol grip have to do with the problem of gun crime? NZ mass shooting was committed via no pistol grip. Totally irrelevant when considering lethality of a firearm. Also the NZ shooter used semi auto and pump action shotguns to great effect in the NZ footage his entire car was filled with firearms and still complied with an assault weapons ban in NZ.

[@derekperkins57]

there was a high capacity black powder musket (i cant remember its name) that was a lever action that could fire up to 60 shots per minute, but usually held 30 charges of powder and 30 balls

[@xianshengzhengxiong]

Most active shooters use handguns. 80% of active shootings in 2021 were done with handguns according to FBI statistics. There is no case for rifles except for feels. Automatic weapons cost tens of thousands of dollars, so you're going to have to drop $30,000 for an automatic rifle. No matter what you want to solve, it's always handguns. .45 AARP is for old people, should have gotten a 226.

[@SaraphDarklaw]

How long was the recovery for the ear?

[@rainbowkrampus]

3ish months I think.

[@1911GreaterThanALL]

I don't think I have ever seen legislation aimed at protection of the military in bearing firearms. I don't think such legislation is needed. The argument of only in the service of a military or military use of firearms need to be precluded and protected as a right. That has nothing to do with why the second amendment was debated down to a comma. It has nothing to do with the history of why the U.S. was created to begin with. The Great British Empire saw fit to disarm the militia at Concord and thus the U.S. colonies responded with shots on the British. Without the notion of civilian ownership of firearms mercenaries that was a huge method of support in order to fight the British and thus it is unlikely that the U.S. would defeat the limited deployment of the British military.

[@benjamina6618]

idk if what he was saying about shotguns was accurate, I know at least a few shootings with shotguns

[@Meggiesoarsrex]

aregulating ammo seems based. like, make it so you have to register your gun (after buying it legally) and can only purchase ammo for those specific registered guns. (glad this was uploaded cause i watched the first bit on the vod)

[@zacheryeckard3051]

How would nationalizing the gun manufacturers impact "gun reform"?

[@grimb.gaming5691]

Why did you use data from 2013? There have been about 9 mass shootings or general threats/arrest of potential shooters since Uvalde happened. Can only imagine there has been a general increase in the number of mass shootings over the years since 2013.

[@hobosorcerer]

I'm going to call 10 round mags "large capacity" just to annoy Vaush.

[@alexandredesouza3692]

24:30 I misheard, instead I heard "They would just kill themselves with another tool: HARD. WORK."

[@personlikeu]

Aus gun buyback was super effective. If you really want to shoot roos, camels, foxes and goats you can. If you want to shoot yourself or others you got to be super committed.

[@nattyfeatureseverything6179]

what about people who may have a history of mental health issues but they have been stable for like a consistently long time like years do you think its ableist if not wrong to prevent access altogether indefinitely out right? or like is their some way we can have like regular psych Evalution measures like what if every few year when you have to renew your conceal carry you were also required to get a psych eval? and if you pass your granted your renewal and if you fail your access gets restricted and put on hold for a while until you are stable again plus plenty of people can have a psychological issue without realizing it and going undiagnosed so its kinda important everyone have constant psych check ins just a suggestion

[@DanCambell]

also, pistols can be long guns too. AR-9s are a thing

[@FishSticker]

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