Gun Xenophobia (Turkish Guns are Rubbish)

[@josephpace8816]

Just bought a CZ Hammer Coach, 12 gauge, 20" barrel. It is beautiful. Made by Huglu in Turkey. Pd $999. It is engraved by hand. Case Hardened. Just beautiful couch gun. Became a family heirloom when I walked out of the gun store.

[@evanbaker434]

I have a turkish Zafer pointer 12g and can't see anything wrong with it. Perfect gun for me

[@bentleyfatheree1616]

If and when it breaks they are very hard to get parts for

[@chrisfavorin1107]

Canik pistols are very good. Very reliable and shoot very nicely!

[@JaimeGarcia-sg9xj]

They are very good pistols.

[@o0MadHouse0o]

Turkish guns are fantastic for their price. They have a good pedigree of gun making.

[@funkymunky7935]

I have bought a Dickinson T1000 a few months ago. I've put about 250 rounds through it now. I'm happy with it so far. Time will tell though

[@nigelstockting4785]

Just bought a new ata sp black ideal for what i want it to do, pigeon bashing and clays for under £600 cant fault it

[@stonehorn4641]

Some are good. Stoeger makes great Autoloaders, and with a little cash, I made mine every bit as good as a Benelli (of which I own a SBE3) and close to my A400. Stoeger makes TERRIBLE Over/Unders. I have an Akkar Churchill 206 Sport Adjustable. I paid 1500$cdn for it, and after very little modification, its every bit as good as my 525 Field. There are lots of bad turkinsh guns. Some are decent, and most of the decent can be made excellent with a little money. Especially the Stoeger, since Benelli springs, pins, bolts, etc can be swapped out. 650$ into my Stoeger, and it turned out to be an excellent competition autoloader. The Magpull stock made a world of difference. Its almost as good as my A400 , which is far more expensive and has far more money it.

[@PATTERDALE78]

Am a keeper had a Turkish Auto as my work gun for 10 years what a work horse of a gun eventually I had to replace it I thought I would treat myself and got a Beretta nothing but problems with it after a year the block cracked in half.

[@aslanbosnakoglu8240]

wow

[@athor6730]

The Turkish arms industry has developed incredibly in the last 10 years. Shotgun hunting guns have become very popular, especially due to the laws in Turkey that prohibit the use of rifled guns, and the manufacturers have improved a lot in this regard. Currently, Turks are supplying shotguns to every country in the world and all countries of the world like these guns very much in terms of price-performance.

[@ckg1776]

Turkish shotguns are becoming very popular in Australia over the last couple years. I have a Berika blackops, a Sulun Arms Tac 12 and an akkar 3.

[@fullchoke01]

I agree the akkar churchill and ata sp are seen at my claygrounds everyday with the more casual shooters, for the money they are decent offerings to get you started. Not many people will walk past a big warranty and low price

[@athor6730]

Many Turks also love Glock guns too.

[@muminbayrakdar8604]

@@athor6730 kardeş avusturya değil avusturalya dan yazıyor arkadaş

[@athor6730]

@@muminbayrakdar8604 evet tekrar okudum gözümden kaçmış, benim hatam. Düzeltme için teşekkürler

[@mossy6144]

Italian x 1, Turkish x 2, German x 1, Spanish x 1 and Japanese x 1, no snobbery in my gun room!

[@sixgunsun]

Put up a show and tell video!

[@chriskoort5717]

Which Japanese?

[@mike1536]

Lol had the Turkish national anthem on the back ground., good touch. This Turkish guy bought a beretta today. The marketing got to me around “grandson gun”.

[@rob1399]

all I know is the Canik TP9 is all the rage here in the USA for the competition pistol market,Turkish gun as you probably know...

[@dale_ch]

Hi Jonny, great video, thanks. I have a new ATA Sporter - excellent reliable (so far anyway) gun, very nice oiled wood, dual tech butt pad, balances on the hinge pin, semi adjustable stock (up and down), smart steel proofed matt black barrels and action, raised vented rib with a full set of reasonable chokes also included - the price? £595 inc. VAT 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️ Works well for me as a regular weekend clay sporting shooter 😎

[@danrowley3142]

Hi. What's your thought on the kofs sceptre sxe 12g. I'm thinking of it for my first gun.

[@borjastick]

You have to know the difference between cost and value.

[@shahrozekhurram9836]

Been using Kral A12 for sometime now, so far so good...

[@jeanmorin3247]

Jonny, this is brilliant! This is a very good lecture on the history and industry of gunmaking, especially that it is very difficult to do in the context of national, cultural and racial sensitivities. More power to you, Man. What you do opens minds and disseminates large-perspective knowledge. My question, however, is this: if all shotguns now owned in the world killed one bird, would there be any birds left in the world? If all shotguns shot 1000 clays, what would be the effect on lead and metal and plastic pollution? Production of guns is so massive that most people who now own guns do not shoot them at all. They remain as status symbols and unused 'home defense' heirloom that the next generation does not want. This is in fact a glut in the making that will depress the price of even the most treasured pieces. Investing in a gun, as used to be done, has no future. And let's not get near the topic of the social crisis, where the proliferation of guns may very well become a catastrophe in itself, generating escalations of counter-effects. Guns will have to shift to a harmless ballistic where innocuous light beams will replace bullets and pellets in sporting competitions. Hunting is right now becoming socially repulsive as it attacks the little nature that is left. Guns as we know them are about to take a huge change. The over-and-under, as well as the hunting rifle, has passed the curve of its apogee in production. The next giant of gunmaking will not be making what we now call a rifle or a shotgun. It will be an altogether new thing, more akin to videogaming. As for weapons of war, gun powder-powered guns of any type will be a thing of the past in 50 years. As you say, things change. The thing is that they change faster now than ever did before. Mark your words! Cheers!

[@stu748r]

So Jonny, how long before we get Turkish ammunition as everyone else's prices seem to be going up beyond inflation and exchange rates.

[@rosswinnel6394]

Great video! Recently fired a couple of shots out of a CEO Trust (Turkish manufacture) UO that had DT11'esque crossbolts, was well adorned, came in a very well presented case with a drop out trigger group and a spare trigger group. That I believe was going for a fraction of a DT price, shot quite nicely but the cost would still get you a lot of gun in some other more well known brands, it will be interesting to see how that brand goes? It certainly opened my eyes a little to Turkish guns.

[@tgsoutdoors]

Where was that?

[@rosswinnel6394]

@@tgsoutdoors Australia, I think they were investigating importing them. Only had a brief look and fired a couple of shots but it shot well and destroyed clay. Presented very well, case was way above average and when they showed me the spare trigger group!

[@michaelkazaryan6757]

I have one question and maybe a topic/projest for your next video... What is a life expectancy (sort of speak) of a shotgun? and by this i mean how many cartriges will one go through? I bought new Miroku MK38 sporter in October 2019 and have shot about 5000 to 6000 cartriges throug it so far. What i want to know is how long will it last me if i shoot 800 to 1000 cartriges a month? is it same for game guns?

[@keithhickam2548]

Have a Yildiz 28 ga over 1000 rounds through it, no hiccups yet. My CZ Bobwhite has 500 ish rounds through, shoots great broke 48 of 50 on skeet today.

[@bekhov5374]

turkish qualty

[@andrewallen2634]

Jonny,I am always impressed with your in depth knowledge of your chosen profession and your opinions and videos of all the models and shooting techniques.I for one of your 40,000 subscribers would love a short video of your background and how you got into the sport and how your career has evolved and how you have gained this wealth of knowledge.I think it would be a must watch !

[@hickslightfoot]

I have 2 Turkish shotguns, so far so good... Can't beat the price. I could care less about "brand name"

[@ruairihenshaw7308]

I have a Yildiz Ts 870 and it’s amazing. It’s a few years old yeah but I love everything about it.

[@stevem4038]

Great knowledge. Love the channel. Slightly off topic but given we are not shooting at the moment I am thinking about servicing my OU. Been shooting clays weekly (and weakly!) for around 18 months cleaning gun after each session but never had the stock off or attempted to clean and service the action. Now seems like as good a time as any! Any chance of a vid on this over the next few weeks? You might also use it to demonstrate what you mean by good or poor engineered quality beyond cosmetic styling. Keep safe!

[@smokinclays1777]

Jonny, great video...big fan of the vlogs...would really welcome your feedback.. just in the process of buying a 1992 Browning GTI ultra.. what’s are your thoughts, quality, shoot ability and longevity?? Thanks in advance

[@johntsoukas8723]

Ask to see a Huglu HT-14 sporting.I know that they usually produce crappy stuff but this had quality writen all over it.I couldn't believe the fit and finish for a Turkish gun.The stock was at grade 3+,it has a completely adjustable stock both on cheek and the entire pad on the back can be adjusted up and down but also left or right.You can literaly bring it exactly where you want it!!!My only question would be the quality of the firing mechanism which is mechanical!!!All this for about 1.500 euro!!!!!!!!!!!If what i saw was made in Germany ,it would cost 3 and maybe 4 times more money.I was really impressed for a Turkish gun.Only disadvantage i saw was its weight,at 3,85 kilos!

[@paulprosser4108]

Forgot to mention the good old U.S.S.R . Have made some great guns throughout their history. Nothing better than a bit of hedge row shooting with a Baikal.

[@markfifty7]

In my collection I have Belgium hammer,AYA boxlock,Baikal and Hatsan. I love them all .....but of course only shoot at night!

[@NOC1TIME]

I believe the quality bar has resin notably with Turkish shotguns within the last decade. CZ is producing guns that are getting high end. Not English high end. But high end for the entry level buyer. A beautiful example is a recent release the SBS Bobwhite G2 Project Upland. Comes in at around 1500. Take a look.

[@EastboundDwn]

I have a couple of them Turkies, I like em.👍

[@adamsmith2484]

Speaking of Turkish guns..... when are the next batch of TGS guns coming through - I need one ASAP!!!!

[@thelongslowgoodbye]

Over here in Australia, Chinese bolt action rifles have long been the norm for bargain basement prices. They usually turn up here as Norinco .22LR clones of CZ or BRNO rifles.

[@dianacarroll8860]

Never been a gun snob , go to pigeon gun is a hatsan semi auto and just bought an ata o/u as game and clay gun , replaced a bettinsoli , if it fits and works it does me !

[@tgsoutdoors]

They are all brilliant guns, and I expect the pigeons don’t care about the country of origin!

[@simoncampion4560]

Which ATA model did you go for, and thoughts so far?

[@dianacarroll8860]

Simon Campion ata supersport , can’t fault it , fitted best of a lot I tried , had a lot of carts through it now

[@allandobbs7059]

I’ve had three Hatsans one functioned ok but other two jammed constantly.I might add I’m a fastidious cleaner of all my guns also!

[@dianacarroll8860]

allan dobbs I’ve two hatsans semi and a pump , can’t fault them , the semi has had thousands of carts through it mostly 30/32g never been a problem , easy to pull apart and clean even trigger assy comes out with two pins , I’d buy another over dearer makes

[@g_orwell8253]

I have 3 Beretta, 1 Bernardelli and 1 Benelli. The oldest was made in 1962, the most recent was made in 1987. They still have their original blueing, never changed a single piece, even a spring or a firing pin. I handled so many other guns, even Browning: sorry but there's no contest either in design and in technology.

[@gerarddresch712]

Hi I bought one of SKB's 25 1/2 inch barrels over and under I think in late 70's with fixed -.oo5 fixed chokes for skeet . Only thing that broke till I sold it in 2010 was a firing leaf spring that I found out was same as a Perozzi. Now in early 80's I bought one of those Japanese over and under 12ga that has not given me and trouble since the day I bought it, it is a Niko.

[@Ryan-ABreakintheAction]

Great video! I'd love to see something similar made in regards to walnut for stocks. :)

[@tgsoutdoors]

Now there is an idea!

[@vonteandretti2236]

I got the Zigana PX-9(Philippines National Police Edition)I’ve put 500 rounds down range so far, no jams or malfunctions🤷🏿‍♂️

[@mariuslouw9517]

Excellent video and really pertinent. I myself am at a crossroads as to a shotgun purchase. Should I go Italian and buy a Beretta or Rizzini? Or should I buy a Browning? To be honest, an ATA Engraved fit me the best off the shelf, but it does bot mean any of the other could not be custom fit? I do have a tendency to go for the underdog, so the ATA might get my vote, but would I regret it 10 years from now? (Bare in mind that resale value is a non-issue. In South Africa we license the firearm and not the person, so once bought, you tend to not sell it again)

[@g_orwell8253]

If you look closelly, ATA over and under are made with Beretta' s design, whose locks make the receiver stronger and lighter than Browning. I'm still using my dad's Beretta over and under, bought in 1962. If you look at the barrels, They are still a mirror. Never did any work on it, never changed a single piece.

[@prospects868]

Bought a new Laurona 85 in 1985 .. still got it . double single triggers ..No trouble whatsoever .. great all round gun ...

[@canadiar15guy57]

Greetings from Canada,love the channel BTW. Having access to Chinese firearms for a long time they are NOT quality firearms, they have had the time to improve, they haven't they are cheaply made and even in some cases unsafe to use(M305 for example) after owning several I wouldn't buy again. Turkey already makes shotguns for Winchester and other bigger companies. Huglu makes some very nice over under under guns for the price and some very interesting engraving.

[@gavinsutherland7226]

The later m305s are much better after they got the hardening process down for their receivers. Still forged and arguably better quality than a Springfield. Oops, I said it 🤪

[@Scooter-dm3qo]

I have three Shotguns made in Huglu Turkey and imported into the US by CZ-USA. A 20 Gage O/U, a 12 gage SxS, and a 12 gage semi. In terms of design and mechanics they are the Equal of Beretta. All 3 pattern very well, function perfectly and both double barrels have identical POI at 30 yards with both barrels. I will also note that the wood on my O/U would be a Beretta grade 3 and the SXS features wood that would fit well on a EELL. Weaknesses are really a bit nit picky. That is the checkering. No attempt at all is made to produce pyramidal points, what you get are laser engraved lines in a checkered pattern. The diamonds are 100% flat topped. On the plus side those lines are easy to follow with a single point checkering file so a few hours of work will result in a hand checkered shotgun. BTW, I have been inside both my Beretta 686's and both of my CZ shotguns and find that CZ follows the Beretta design somewhat closely but they are different. One difference is the CZ's feature mechanical triggers. Quality "under the Bonnet" shows that both lines of shotguns are quite well made using modern CNC machining centers. Both lines of O/U shotguns also feature a Trunion hinge design but the CZ O/U is a bit fussy to assemble while the 686 can be assembled blindfolded. Sum it all up and the Turkish shotguns imported by CZ are very close to being the equal of the Beretta 686 lineup. In 2018 there was a disparity of about 1100 dollars or a bit more between Beretta's 686 and the CZ line, in 2020 prices for the CZ lineup has risen by about 50% so they aren't quite the bargain they once were. I'll also note that if CZ really wants to step up to Beretta's level they really need to do something about the quality of their checkering.

[@fullchoke01]

No offence but in no way shape or form are huglu double guns comparable to 686, cnc machines allow makers to form decent guns, but the materials used, the finishing on those materials, overall design and geometry are miles apart, huglu fills a gap in low end of market and make guns like ata, kofs etc to a budget, a silver pigeon is over priced yes, but huglu is a long ways off the quality marker. The main reason we see these budget guns rise in price is because they are sold to break even at best to flood the market, then after many buy into the fact you can get a decent looking shotgun that goes bang for little they jack it up to make money on it, it still costs a lot to make an over under

[@Scooter-dm3qo]

@@fullchoke01 Do you own any Turkish shotguns? I'm speaking from direct experience and I should inform you that I also own a Beretta 686 in 12 gauge and another in 20 gauge. Plus I have a 12 gauge Browning Citori Sporting Clays Edition. While I don't shoot my CZ's very often when I do take one out I never have any concerns about whether they will function.

[@fullchoke01]

@@Scooter-dm3qo i own an ata sp - which is the weatherby orion in the states outwardly a cheap knockoff of the beretta. Multiple winchester 101s , a miroku and had a beretta 690 until recently, i work for a shooting school and i see and handle all these guns and more day in day out, i've shot the huglu 103de/cz redhead and stripped it down, and it isn't comparable in anyway shape or form to anything beretta sorry, tooling, materials, metallurgy, finishing of materials geometry are levels above, it has copied beretta style of safety and hinge pivots but these guns are not on the same level. Nowhere near it, its an ok gun for the money as is my ata, my ata is a decent gun but again there are levels to these guns

[@Scooter-dm3qo]

@@fullchoke01 I shoot with a very good Skeet shooter who is class A in 12, 20, & 410 and AA in 28 gauge. His goto gun for shooting the 28 is his backup gun which is also his 12 gauge shooter, a 12 gauge CZ Teal/Redhead Premier that he buffed the black powder coating off of. Note, under that powder coating he found a very well executed Nickle finish. The reason he uses it for the 28 is because the top tube for his receiver barreled 682 is a bit off. We keep bugging him to send it to Briley to get it corrected but doing that requires him to send both the receiver barrel and tube set to Briley. Since it shoots perfectly with the 20 and 410 he just doesn't want to give it up for a month. So, when Mike is shooting a Registered shoot or a tournament the CZ gets used for 12 gauge and 28 gauge. It also sees a lot of use in practice. So here we have a CZ that sees 4 to 8 rounds of Skeet every weekend and in 3 years it hasn't even a hint of looseness in the joint. It's also never failed to fire. BTW, if it's over 30 degrees F we are shooting, so it's been nearly 3 solid years of shooting nearly every single weekend. Basically it has proven to be just as trustworthy as a Beretta. That isn't bad for a shotgun purchased on sale for 499.95. So, while it may not prove to be a durable as a Beretta it's probably be 20 years or so before we will know. So one thing these guns are NOT is junk.

[@fullchoke01]

@@Scooter-dm3qo never said they where total junk mate just there are levels to shotguns and gun to gun they are not on the beretta level, turkish shotguns are unfortunately very hit and miss with their production runs and quality control of their budget end but that goes hand in hand with budget guns you can't have top quality engineering, tooling etc and qc for the low cost. but as i said for the money they are decent "if" you get a good one, i would happily shoot a yildiz pro over an entry level beretta-great guns, happy shooting

[@archywiseman]

I have an SKB 505 IN 20 gauge. Brilliant little game gun.

[@wyattloftin106]

I’m with you on Japanese guns. They were very strangely perfect in their engineering. Very unique operations that almost seem to be exclusive to the country. If I were to describe them it would be complicated in their simplicity or simply complicated. But there’s a certain charm to them. And I kinda like that.

[@davidhoopes6863]

any good brands rn. idk much about japanese firearm brands except for howa

[@gnarshread]

Living in the US I have seen firearms that look exactly like the ones you have reviewed but with different names. I am assuming these cheaper brands re brand themselves for different markets?

[@Krysis219]

Absolutely, for example a lot of Brownings are actually Miroku, and CZ are Huglu.

[@wulfheard]

Excellent lecture... Right on the mark. 20 years ago if you told me I would own a Turkish gun, I would tell you that your were crazy... In the past two years I've bought 3 and there is nothing wrong with them, especially when you consider the price. I have an ATA Supersport 12ga, a Tristar Viper G2 16ga and a Winchester SXP 20ga Field. All of them are pretty decent weapons.

[@akeyuk]

2 options for the future India or Russia. No mention of the USSR, got to love an old Baikal - we know you love them really :)

[@jameshenfrey5854]

Can i ask what you view is on Hatsan semi autos? I would like a semi auto for Pigeon on my friends land and dont want to spend £1000 on a used Beretta a400. Is the SX4 Twice as good? Thanks and keep up the great work!

[@matthewfenton8775]

James Henfrey look for a beretta 301/302/303. Bulletproof guns.

[@rogerbeckner6419]

My Grandmother bought me a 12ga shotgun for my 19th birthday in 1975 from Sears. It was a Model 281 512 651 for $600 from a little company called Antonio Zoli & C. Gardone. 7.5 pound O/U with 3 inch chambers in mod and full. Just purchased a CZ Bobwhite G1 in 28ga. Very delightful SxS that I will be using on Pheasants and Grouse this season. Will still use my A.H. Fox Sterlingworth in 16ga for the early season while the leaves are still up on the trees. All of my 12 bore guns are now and have been collecting dust since I moved to SxS and 16ga.

[@billturner2370]

I have 3 Turkish made guns and they have been excellent!

[@capt.ronaldspeirs1591]

What are their brands names?

[@terrygrant2300]

Just bought a Akkar Sporter Ejector in 30”. Been trying to find information on it but can’t find much.

[@user-il5kz5uw1m]

does anyone have experience with or an opinion on Yildiz O/As or Semi-autos?

[@sweet-kisses2290]

In my cabinet I’ve got a mossberg 500, rem 11-87 and a baikal ij-27. They’re all pigs but they’ve never let me down and I’ve developed that weird pride for them that people get from their home town if it’s rough as. :D

[@paulwilson7234]

Gun making in a nutshell, Shadow Indy, could pick one out of a gun rack with the unique looking Airflow rib.

[@timothyprice9064]

What do you think of the Turkish Bullpups like the MKA1923 and the FEAR109?

[@torcrawley6882]

Purdey cant kill anything my Baikal can't, if you point it in the right place...

[@manofkentcatapultsgunsando5069]

Only thing is the purdy practically points itself.

[@snowflakemelter1172]

But guns aren't bought just as tools, or else everyone would have a welded tube gun with a plywood stock finished in fence paint. Purdey never claim only their guns can hit targets, they put 1000 hrs work into the guns and Biakal puts 10.

[@BanditZRaver]

This is a CZ household and I won't tolerate bashing on Turkey But as you said, there is a market to fill and every countries has to go through it. Keep it up, Love the topics.

[@tanguyroussel4059]

Just ordered a Huglu 200 in 28. Hand ingraved, side by side, english style stock with "contre platines" (Big action I don't have the word in english), grade 3 Woods. Can't wait to see how it will compare to my Chapuis 20 gage for 1/3 of the Price!

[@tgsoutdoors]

Side plates?

[@tanguyroussel4059]

@@tgsoutdoors Indeed!

[@turkosmopolit633]

I do not know where you get your knowledge from ? In the 18th and early 19th centuries the British had built very qualitative guns, but in the 21st century only scrap metal is produced, while Turkey is able to build excellent weapons nowadays. See i.e the MPT-76. This rifle is the only one that meets all NATO standards. I have examined and tried few british weapons, most of them I have sold again. They look good but the precision and handling is catastrophic. Thats my experience about british weapons. You shouls also try the Canik TP9SA, Zigana, 7.62 mm BORA-12 (JNG-90) sniper rifle or the UTS-15 Shotgun etc... I am very satisfied, I will keep and not sell these weapons again.

[@charlescastle4533]

I bought a CZ Redhead Premier, and just got it yesterday. I know I'm probably still taking a chance, but it's a beautiful piece of work. I've only shot two rounds so far, and no problems yet! Lol It seems solid, and I've cleaned it and greased it well. I'm willing to bet that it will last at least 5 years (which is long enough for me to get out of school and get a high paying job) so long as I take care of it.

[@Procharged32]

English guns and cars are a bit like Beckham nice to look at, but when you hear and know them.....Big Mistake.

[@snowflakemelter1172]

What English guns do you think are no good exactly ?

[@touficzaarour5022]

😂😂😂

[@IrishClays]

Anyone have any experience with huglu shotguns.. specifically the huglu ht14?

[@ozansen9724]

I have it. I use it for trap shooting. I love its balance, walnut quality and its accuracy. Moreover, huğlu shotguns are very durable.

[@NHGJordanAbbott]

I own a Huglu 103de beautiful case hardening and timber although blond in colour after about 1200 rounds at the clay club I have yet to have any issues if anything it’s getting smoother

[@perrym6937]

i have 3 of them.love them great looking and even better shooting guns. i shoot the same with my hps as i do with a browning

[@AdamPerkinsPhD]

Thanks for another great video. I've got a 1970's Nikko over and under as well as a 1960's Webley 700 side by side. The Webley has better chequering and metal finish but the Nikko has wood with beautiful fiddleback figuring whereas the Webley wood is nondescript. They both shoot equally well and I am a huge fan of both. So I guess the motto is buy what you like and don't worry about the name on the barrel.

[@HJDore]

Could we have a video on resleeving shotgun barrels when you guys are allowed back to the shop.

[@gerarddresch712]

Wait they took his guns from his shop. I had no idea it was that bad over there.

[@salibaray]

What do you think of the Turkish 'Huglu HT-14' shotgun? here it only costs about €1,500 and it comes with: * 5 chokes * Grade 3-4 wood * fixed fibre optic front sight * height-adjustable stock * adjustable recoil pad * ventilated barrels * adjustable trigger It looks really good, has a lot of features and it has a very good price. I was looking to get a Beretta 694 Sporting or a Browning B725 Sporting, but given the features and price of the Huglu HT-14 - I'm tempted to buy one: Prices: * Beretta 694 Sporting - €3,900 * Browning B725 Sporting - €3,600 * Huglu HT-14 - €1,500 What do you think?

[@richardcranston1833]

Great vid as normal, just got my sister into shooting. Looking first gun took her to the BSB this year she fell for the ATA Laminate. Hopefully when we're back and running she can go get one. John would love some advice on a SBS could I email you please. Thanks

[@tgsoutdoors]

Hi mate, drop us a message through Instagram and Facebook and I shall give you an email address

[@richardcranston1833]

@@tgsoutdoors love to but don't use social media at all. Sorry

[@tgsoutdoors]

Unfortunately our public email accounts are all on fixed PC’s and we are running the channel remotely for obvious reasons. What is your email address?

[@richardcranston1833]

@@tgsoutdoors not a problem I'll wait till the your back up and running. Posting my email on a open forum not a great idea for me. But thanks.😆

[@darrenarmstrong208]

Spanish eibar said by side. My father's only gun and now my go to gun the thing must be 70 years old. It's the finest shotgun ive ever shot out of Ive came across one exactly like my dads gun with very little use. £125 😍 . Beware the man with only one gun,😂😂😂 great show again

[@OsmanOsmanHan]

Turks have been famous weapon smiths since 2000 years.

[@philipsmedia5268]

Yes this is basically true for shotgun production. But for firearms particularly rifles the USA and Finland have had a marked presence on the markets.

[@alexstanley3315]

I have a BR 99 and I. Have ALOT of fun playing with its. 10 round mags

[@bekhov5374]

Turkish guns are price performance products, do not compare with more expensive models.

[@greywolf3951]

You are ın a mistake they are allready Hıgh quality

[@franticmower7300]

@@greywolf3951 Turkish guns are well priced for the quality they offer just like your English is enough to make a statement but isn't as refined as it should be. Not perfect, not horrifying.

[@gregwalker4236]

vastly informative and interesting! i think you are spot on. i would not be surprised if china enters the fray, or perhaps india. all it takes is a little capital and a lot of management...

[@tinkywinky402]

Love my Armsan semi-auto for pigeon shooting.

[@DJONES8610]

@union310 sorry but what do you mean?

[@funkla65]

@union310 does pigeon shooting require tweed, too?

[@giggergigger1]

@@funkla65 don't worry, Union is a self confessed gun snob

[@athor6730]

I love armsan rs-s1 and rs x3

[@tinkywinky402]

@@funkla65 and a tie

[@DrBreezeAir]

Here in Russia it's kinda worse. Most guns from EU are unavailable due to sanctions, some are still in stock, Russian made guns are from dirt cheap to somewhat substantial and are mostly crudely made but they work. Well. Most of them. When it comes to Turkish shotguns they were cheap but now a Fabarm ELOS is roughly 200 quid less than a Silver Pigeon, which makes the choice pretty obvious. Hatsans are way cheaper and the owners seem to enjoy them.

[@fistsoffury1609]

Hi TGS, I have a Lincoln side by side, and have tried to find stuff out about the years they were manufactured and had no luck, do you or anyone else here have any information stored in the back of your minds as I’m interested to know how old this art work I am holding has been around

[@tgsoutdoors]

Hi there, Lincoln are pretty much all made in Italy. This means they will have Italian proof date stamps on the barrel. If you look at the underside of the breach when the gun is taken apart there is two letters in a square box. If you google Italian gun proof date codes there will be a tonne of charts come up. Reference against one of these and you will have the year of manufacture.

[@fistsoffury1609]

Legend mate, all I knew was Italy but nothing else, keep up the vids man!

[@aplaceholderbplaceholder9524]

Like you said they're built for a certain market segment for a particular price point. importer will not import them without filling this criteria. Many times a preconceived perception will be THE determining factor.

[@hunk7762]

i have a turkish khan arms double trap and its working fantastic.

[@jmahaney3]

SKB guns are great gun for the money. Their 90TSS sport is a clay busting tool. Heavy gun but points well and shoots great. With fully adjustable stock easy to make changes for what ever the weather or amount of clothing you have on. Heavier than a browning or beretta but a fourth of the price.

[@markbutler1616]

Only time will really give any make and model the chance to prove itself. My only reservation about buying outside the Beretta/Browning/ Miroku stable are the uncertainty of backup available and knowing whether they are priced to perform or simply priced to sell.

[@robertstewart1464]

Chinese guns? I would put money on it that they will just buy a Beretta, copy it and tell everyone they developed a magnificent world beating gun that the West could only dream of designing. I want to see Baikal pulling their socks up and hiring in a good stocker to make their guns look and handle better, put that together with their robust nature and you could have a brilliant gun.

[@tgsoutdoors]

Just need to sort out the arms embargo and modernise their guns a little and I may agree

[@robertstewart1464]

@@tgsoutdoors perfect project for you! Get one sorted. I remember one of your old videos you were sorting the stock on a baikal for one of the female staff and we never did see the end result of it

[@Tikka4me]

Missed a bit of Russian gun bashing. Having said that, my good old baikal was a trusty old work tool. Throw it in Landie, never take care of it, chap in posts with it. The leather man of the gun world. Never be seen in company with it though. Bring out the beretta

[@konradsuenkel]

Absolutely right. Buy a Baikal if you are on budget an you need a gun you have to rely on

[@shahrozekhurram9836]

Agreed. When you buy a baikal you buy a budget shotgun you will pass down to generations.

[@BRMLs9]

I have three Turkish side by sides and love them all. Not sure about the UK but there are some Chinese guns on the market in the US right now and yeah most people look down at them. Funny when Chinese AKs are some of the most sought after. I don’t own any yet but who knows about the future. I think the big thing is that most new guns regardless of country of origin have issues to be worked out.

[@notmkr-busta2937]

Aussie here, due to semi shotguns being hard to get, wanted to get a shotgun with a bigger capacity, ending up get a adler b220 straight pull 8 shot, awesome shotgun for only $600 aud

[@terrygrant2300]

Made the mistake of buying the Pardus 16.5” tactical lever, by far the worst gun I’ve ever had.

[@amateurtech736]

Would you say buying a £150 Aya yeoman o/u is a bad idea for a first budget gun? Or should I be thinking more around the £600 mark?

[@tgsoutdoors]

They are pretty solid, although beware that them can be a little fragile if you are planning on putting High volumes of heavy shells through them

[@amateurtech736]

@@tgsoutdoors cheers for the advice! Yeah I'm really just planning to shoot 100 clays once or twice a month so shouldn't be a problem. I did however just see your video on the best £350 gun and that's awfully tempting

[@tudorwynphillips6458]

Great video, keep up the good work. 👍

[@taylorp.2872]

Try out a cz hammer classic made in Turkey... hand fitted and engraved for under 1100 dollars

[@SamhainBe]

I have owned Miroku Brownings and SKB Ithacas and they were both fine guns.

[@danhill6333]

Do you see any new production SKBs? They're made in Turkey?

[@tgsoutdoors]

Not available over here. When planes are up and running for sure we shall come and take a look

[@colinbrolley1909]

TGS Outdoors I’ve owned a Cabelas Dickinson, the same gun as the Turkish SKB. Svelte little trigger plate round action sxs with real case hardening and gorgeous Turkish walnut. I would love to see your take on it. No proof marks, which was odd, but one heck of a gun.

[@bigpopasmurf]

i cant confirm this but iv been told by alot of people including one gun shop owner that has his own brand chokes made in turkey and from what he and other have said to me is that alot of the "more reputable brands" are made in Turkey unstammped sent to their respective country stamped/finished and sent to their proofing house. has anyone else got any info on this. if you can dont just say thats rubbish or true some proof would be nice.

[@marcinrosol4765]

My Girsam works pretty good for me..I have a strong suspicion you don't have a clue what you talking about..mate..lol

[@KathrynLiz1]

Interesting..... 10 years ago some of the Turkish semi autos were a bit patchy... I fixed dozens of them, mostly with action bars separating from the piston... but they are OK now. I have a "Huglu" 20 bore O/U that is really amazingly well made for its price (75 quid.... $1500 New Zealand).... I've put about a thousand rounds through it and it's perfect. Fit and finish are right up with the more well known European makers The future? Well China is a distinct possibility. The Chinese clones of the AK47 variants, SKS carbines, 1911 pistol,s M14 clones and 870 Remington shotguns are really remarkably good.... a bit less 'finish' than they native counterparts, but functionally excellent, and this is not a new thing. 25 years ago I bought a 1911 made by Norinco in China and put over 100,000 rounds through it and when I sold it is was still perfectly serviceable with fits still well in tolerance. In that time I had one new recoil spring and a new extractor in it..... impressive. They also make an very nice version of the Russian Dragunov sniper rifle in both 7.62Nato and the 'native' 7.62 x 54R Russian round.. Their AR15s are pretty good too. So I see no reason why they cannot make damned good shotguns. Right now there are small producers in China that turn out some pretty awful stuff, but Norinco make the guns used by the Chinese military so they know how to do it right.

[@bearstudio2023]

I have a problem I have to hide in gun shops. I really don't like double barrelled shotguns. I've really really tried to like them but I just hate how they look and shoot. Of course because I only own a Benelli supernova and a lovely old Greener GP. EVERYONE tells me I need an over and under and I just hate them regardless of country. Now were are in lockdown nobody can hunt me down :D

[@richardperry5366]

David Britten You can’t go wrong with a Benelli Supernova. Pump shotguns are the most practical shotguns made. They are simple to maintain and rarely breakdown. I own a Browning over under and a Beretta Semiautomatic, however, my go to hunting gun is a Remington 870 pump.

[@JakeBurgessOutdoors]

trying to watch as many of your videos before my shotgun license arrives so I have a rough idea what the best gun I could get fitted for 1500 is when the corona virus and restrictions have died down...

[@tgsoutdoors]

What is the gun going to be for?

[@JakeBurgessOutdoors]

TGS Outdoors Clays primarily, probably English sporting but yet to try all the disciplines to see what I like the most. don’t have the connects or a lot of money to shoot any game even though I would like to try it.

[@tgsoutdoors]

A good all round Sporter that was a few years old will be perfect. Depends which one you like the feel of the most and which is closest to best fit

[@JakeBurgessOutdoors]

TGS Outdoors would there be a preference for taller people? (6’5)

[@timothyprice9064]

If you were in the states I would tell you to go pig hunting, In North Carolina, the tag is $20.00 a year. You can hunt 24/7/365. Each year here the pigs are destroying more and more crops and farmland.

[@R32R38]

Mossberg advertises its value priced Maverick 88 pump shotguns as being made in the USA and they come with big stickers on the stock touting that fact. Not so fast. Almost all the Maverick 88 parts are made in Mexico, and then brought to a plant right across the Rio Grande in Eagle Pass, Texas to be put together. So they're made in the USA, well sort of.

[@oldgoat1890]

I don't believe that. I was in machining 40+ years and when China parts started coming in a whole lot of stamps were re-worked that said MADE IN THE USA.

[@jesuschristislord7754]

You got a loicence for that xenophobia, mate?

[@georgesakellaropoulos8162]

I have a CZ Bobwhite. Excellent little gun for the money. Made in Turkey. Decent wood, decent finish, and the most vivid color case hardening I've ever seen. No frills but solid workmanship. Out the door for less than $700.

[@raunomyllyla8061]

How about Finland?

[@dgoodman1484]

When I was a boy in love with firearms here in the USA, if you wanted a dependable firearm, you bought a US made Winchester or Remington, shotgun wise generally a Remington. If you wanted something nice, you bought a Belgium made Browning. A few years later once the Japanese Citori came out, it was a third the cost of a Browning Superposed. Today strangely enough, you can buy a nice used Superposed for a third of the cost of a ugly Japanese Citori. Old nice Berettas cost as much as new ones yet you can get a Franchi Falconette or fantastic old SKB for less than a new mossberg pump that ten years ago cost less than a tank of fuel today. Crazy world when you can buy a nice old Superposed for just a little more than a new plastic mossberg! lol

[@jakobchristensen2845]

And back in the days it was the Russian guns Baikal ( even though they would hold up for a long time) and also some Spanish guns aswell ☺️! My first gun was a Breda Vega Special my father bought back in 1985, still works perfectly to this day ☺️👍

[@wholeNwon]

Many decades ago I bought a cheap Belgian trade gun from the 1890-1910 era or so for next-to-nothing. They were sold in hardware stores, Sears, etc. for maybe $8-10. The barrels were laminated steel and noticeably thinner at the breech than any other guns I had ever seen. I'm not even sure the receiver was forged rather than a casting. The over-all quality was only fair and I thought it would be a nice decorator. But in a moment of insanity and after having read that the provisional Belgian proof was something like 12 drams of powder (my poor recollection might be wrong), I loaded 2 shells and added enough components through the muzzles to make 12 dr. FFG + 2 oz. shot. Then put the gun in a rest pointed at corrugated steel 30' away. The explosions were massive and I was sure the gun was destroyed. The result: No damage to the gun at all, not even a little bulge, and 2 huge holes in the corrugated steel. That gun is one of 3 over my mantle now. Was it a great gun? Of course not. Was it adequate for it purpose? Yup.

[@snowflakemelter1172]

Never heard of " laminated barrels" .

[@wholeNwon]

@@snowflakemelter1172 Really? Laminated steel. Was very often used to make cheap barrels. However they weren't weaker than Damascus or twisted steel, but certainly less beautiful.

[@syedakbar77]

Amzing video, next stop is Japanese one.