GUNSAI BATTLE : DK Tsuchiya AE86 vs S2000 vs Z34 - Real Initial D Document

[@jhalkoski]

The fact that Tsuchiya was only 2 seconds slower than 2 cars with almost 20 years worth of newer tech and design shows how well he knows that car and his skill to really push it

[@barneymiller7894]

On top of that he's not even taking advantage of all the tech he could he could on the 86. It's still got a stock style unequal length four link, no widebody fenders, and no serious aero!

[@thurobreakdowns1430]

2 second's is alot

[@TijiSan]

@@thurobreakdowns1430 true but its still skills anyone else will lose way more time drive the 86

[@TrueDesire존]

@@thurobreakdowns1430 not given 20 years of chassis development etc. but Tsuchiya is a driving god 👌🏻

[@cornsyrup28]

Not to mention his age. I'm sure if he was in his prime he would've smoked them

[@user-zg2yh4fj7h]

That ABS malfunction that ended up in him loosing the race was totally an Initial D moment

[@Mr_Hillbilly_weeb]

Which sucks cuz that fairly was the fastest car there

[@sidthixaychoummanivong5643]

​@@Mr_Hillbilly_weeb It's slowest for cornering this course

[@adamcairos6206]

insert Rage Your Dream OST!

[@Bob-ex2yx]

DK has plot armor

[@SPARTANR81]

​@kartaku132 it's all about the driver not the car that's what initial D taught us (I don't mean that in anyway shape or form disrespect to the Z driver)

[@incursus1401]

So happy DK is still going at 66. It gives me pure joy to watch these battles. Reminds me of my friends in racing sims but just irl and with good drivers lol

[@TboneWertman]

I would recommend buying a car as soon as possible and then hitting any track man with your friends to live this out!!! Video games are all right but the real thing, there’s nothing like it!

[@incursus1401]

@@TboneWertman i just got a better paying job so ill try to get my hands on a gr86 or a 370z soon!

[@TboneWertman]

@@incursus1401 I own a 6-Speed 370z and they are wonderful cars, try to get a model from 2014+ though, you will thank me later.

[@incursus1401]

@@TboneWertman thanks for the advice. will keep in mind!

[@poosmoker0457]

@@incursus1401 get a miata, cheaper more tunable and probably faster than both on tight courses!!!

[@ramensospicy2992]

The way Tsuchiya-san makes the AE86 dance on the touge with the accompaniment of its high rpm 4 cylinder song will forever be one of the most beautiful things in the world that we'd ever witness. Thank you Car Prime!

[@ritualfunk]

Well said. I agree a 100% the man is a driving genius.

[@mazyata9958]

The battery and fuse mod made that sucker dance 😜

[@pressureflipin1992]

2 seconds slower than 2 vehicles with new age technology tells me who the real winner is...

[@PabloCanteli47]

Agree 100%❤

[@chapel976]

I think I realized why I liked Initial D (and early Drift videos) so much. It wasn't the drifting, it was the forest/mountain speed. I've always loved rally and this reminds me of it so much now.

[@joypops1]

You have to admit, Tsuchiya and the Super Mame are like soulmates. They know each other's limits and then its a dance of the throttle and steering. Marvellous, sad to see what happened to the Z. ABS is scary in these parts but.... that S2k is just stupidly fast.

[@ImoqzzChaez]

Fr

[@moustachio334]

DK is on another level. It’s crazy to him pushing harder than the younger racers. That 86 and him are perfect together.

[@pbyfr]

Wow, respect for Ooyu as he does most of the battle with the one hand driving. At such speeds, it is crazy. Apart the ABS, this Z is incredible, Tsugio-san didn't seem to drive fast, but more to cruise, but he got the best time.

[@VinRZ]

He's the smoothiest driver out of the 3. You can tell by the way of his steering.

[@FieraDevilWings]

Truly a real life God Hand. Can't believe he actually channelled his inner Joshima.

[@lomfmur]

@@VinRZI’ve noticed that, even though he is really fast Tsuchiya is definitely not a really smooth driver

[@bsimon9554]

Guy in the S2000 wasn’t going hard at all

[@I_Crit_My_Pants]

@@bsimon9554 That's Ooyu.

[@ΔημήτρηςΞάφης-η3θ]

I would sell my kidney just to do 1 run with Mr.Tsuchiya.. I love this guy! Legendary driving as always.

[@haralampos0000]

Καλά τα λες πατριώτη. Δε θα ξαναυπαρξει άλλος σαν αυτόν. No one like DK ever again.truly the BEST 🙏🇯🇵

[@manwithnousername9779]

You sure? I'm looking for a seller.

[@zze86]

It's amazing that Tsuchiya-San is now driving with people 3x younger than him! He's fostered 3 or 4 generations of drivers! He's going to go down as one of, if not THE, most influential racing driver of all time. Tsuchiya, Ferrari, Shelby. @29:04 Loved how the younger guys were truly in awe of this @29:25 That's what EVERYBODY says 🤣🤣

[@danielgeronimo5538]

I wish younger legends had lived far longer to meet someone like him, what I would give to see them all in action, driving side by side.

[@m.d.f3797]

I love how these guys kept most of the interior stock. They didn't go crazy and changed everything into a total race car. The gear knob is still standard. The handbrake lever is still standard. I think there is still a functioning a/c, too. These cars are truly normal everyday road cars.

[@sometimesidreamaboutcheese]

So now we need that legendary MR-S which Orido drove back in the day >) Also, I rewatched some of DK runs at Gunsai in 90's and I thought it was around 3min, but I didn't know it was insane 2'51 (2'51 with 170hp, as someone mentioned here in comments). But we should all admit that his reactions back there was absolutely mindblowing back then, his sharp & precise steering, his gear-shifting time and pedal work was almost inhuman like. AND it is INCREDIBLE that he is still capable of pushing under 3 mins over 20 years later, at his age! I have no words.. and his AE86 IS complete continuation of DK himself. And it was extremely joyful to watch full course touge race at Gunsai ! AGAIN! This is what I always wanted to see in HotVersion since first full-course run by DK in 90's.. sectors time-attack fights was fun but nothing could compare against full course touge runs! More of that, it is incredible to see real grip touge runs nowadays, with all these cockpit camera views, so nostalgic, I really miss those 90's vibes nowadays.. this is what we missing today. p.s. the source of these 2 seconds for Tsuchiya-san and his MameAe86 is.. a NEW tires set! Top-end tires are extremely expensive today, so no wonder that he had his previous used set. But what IF Carprime could sponsored for a new set for this touge, huh? ;)

[@lomfmur]

That 2ZZ makes 170-180 stock, with the PFC tune and the ITB’s I’d be willing to bet is was making close to that at the wheel, still, that car is insanely fast for so simple

[@sometimesidreamaboutcheese]

@@lomfmur as I remember stock 2zz makes 192hp (well it is around 180 whp, maybe, yes). More important: that car is mid-engined lightweight car (970kg stock) with multilink suspension. It is already a wonderful basis, but with excellent suspension tuning it is an absolute machine for domination. Lightweight mid-engine car with good suspension - is a best choice for touges (has been already proved in rallies of 80's, 40 years before). More of that.. at 2021 that Spirit's MR-s has improved mid-range torque with 210hp, low gearing 6-speed gearbox, with overall actual weight of 860kg. IT IS INSANE. And it is extremely close to a proper tarmac dream-rally-bolide. I WISH we could see this legend at Gunsai again..

[@MrMariomena]

@@sometimesidreamaboutcheese unfortunately is not N/A anymore, spiritaro san convert it to a turbo setup

[@sometimesidreamaboutcheese]

@@MrMariomena yeah.. I noticed that yesterday and was so dissapointed, to be honest

[@VeliRajasaar]

@@sometimesidreamaboutcheese Great summary, but the MR-S is a simple MacPherson in all four corners, not multilink :)

[@tragicnomadic]

Tsugio-san is almost spooky how quiet and fast that Z is. the other cars are being thrown around and you hear road noise and the weight savings to get the most outta the engine. the Z doesnt need to leave 3rd gear hardly and has the torque to move its frame around. and how smooth the steering wheel inputs. We really made fun of Nissan for using an old chassis for so long but it really is good isnt it?

[@GuyX2013]

If Nissan had stopped making the Z 10 years ago people would be saying "Why did they stop making it" same as the S2K and other cars. People only appreciate things when they're gone. Races like this will be a thing of the past and generations to come will miss out on the joys of internal combustion powered , manual cars...

[@tragicnomadic]

@@GuyX2013 Savage geese says the same thing. When it's gone people will laud it for being good. Now it's gone and we got the new z and it's fast but it doesn't fill the void. And now it's pricey

[@ed22-g5j]

And to think the 370z is the lowest production Z made in the U.S!

[@rumommy]

best KZbin channel ever, can’t me prove me wrong

[@natnatanilado829]

No abs no sensors..the legend Mr TSUCHIYA..just only pure skills and his knowledge and used the full potential of AE86 Toyota trueno..the REAL TAKUMI in the REAL WORLD💯💯💯👌👌👌

[@Triple259772]

Thank you DK for still bring us content after all these years. It’s great to see you still making touge content and car testing on your personal channel.

[@DavidTaylor-nv1mj]

Amazing that the AE86 can match up to the SK2 and Z, considering the age of the platform. Though the driver behind to the wheel has a lot to credit for this! Yes it's not remotely stock AE86, but neither are the other cars! In car footage really captured the difference in each cars energy levels and set up. Looks like Z has good suspension settings for this course, pretty good when considering the weight difference between the Z-car to the SK2 and 86. Engine torque shows through here!

[@kami67]

2 seconds on a tiny section on this course is alot.

[@chaotixthefox]

​@@kami67and 4 secs is huge. Tsuchiya ran a 2:51 with the 86 back in the 90s. 4 secs faster than Tsugio's winning time today. Age is impactful.

[@SagaraUrz]

Incredible how the sound tricks your sense of speed. The 350Z felt so much slower but it wasn't.

[@rzero21]

OMG, this was a full course challenge?! Wished CARPRIME went to Gunsai more often for Full course challenges!

[@takumifujiwara2073]

Thank you!!! I watched the Japanese version 2 weeks ago lol. Amazing as always. I remember back in the 90s, DK ran a 2'51 lap with a weaker AE86. Great to see the full gun sai course. In hot version, they only use sectors, and I find that very annoying. Thank you again!! It was cool to see Oyu drive with God Arm's technique like in the comic books LOL

[@sometimesidreamaboutcheese]

oh wow, I rewatched some of 90's DK runs there and I thought it was around 3min, but I didn't knew it was insane 2'51. But we all should admit that his reactions back there was absolutely mindblowing back then, his sharp & precise steering, his gear-shifting time and pedal work was almost inhuman like. AND it is incredible that he is still capable to push under 3 mins over 20 years later, at his age! I have no words.. and his AE86 like completely continuation of himself. So.. ..now this is your turn, Takumi ! ;)

[@takumifujiwara2073]

@@sometimesidreamaboutcheese lol, i want to. And yuup, the king is still kicking

[@stoneee1234]

Let's not forget the fact that the AE86 has a solid rear axle, which is an extreme handicap on these roads since the whole rear end is literally bouncing everywhere nonstop. It's not that Tsuchiya can't "drive smooth", but rather the limitations of old suspension tech requiring constant corrections when close to the limit on windy roads with uneven surfaces. DK does tend to like to overdrive at times to put on a show(aka drifting), but in this case he's obviously going for time. IMHO, skills aside, the actual advantages he has here is mainly just his superior familiarity with the track and vehicle, as even with a perfect setup the AE86 is just vastly outmatched platform wise.

[@JETZcorp]

Not only a live axle, but a pretty compromised configuration. It has a parallel 4-link with panhard rod, which is only able to articulate (roll) due to bushing deflection. The 3-link as used on the S197 Mustang, or the triangulated 4-link offer smoother motion and lighter unspring weight. The AE86 also has struts in the front, which create a pretty severely compromised camber curve compared to the double wishbones in the Z and S2K. Struts can be made pretty good with ideal geometry (such as Porsches), but a lowered AE86 is FAR from perfect strut geometry.

[@SpiritedDriven86]

It was fun seeing an Initial D style race with different cars, and damn did Tsuchiya push Mame pretty hard, it was fun! 86s all the way, new and old! 🚘🤍

[@AlienLivesMatter]

19:13 spring rate, suspension travel and tire traction. Discussion as combined dynamic

[@GodReaperzTheDevil]

I love how their race suits match the colors of the cars they are going to drive

[@bakemono858]

Extremely fun video! Thanks for keeping the spirit of these tuning battle videos.

[@ayowser01]

I got to see this beautiful s2k in person and it lives up to expectation!

[@subse7enx]

Thank you for English sub titles.

[@ocdc3261]

if Tsuchiya was 40 years younger he would feel invincible coming up to those corners and those two cars wouldn't stand a chance on the downhill, age definitely plays a huge factor in the mitigation of risk

[@ethanarmbruster9155]

It really goes to show how far technology has come, he was driving that 86 for damn near everything it was worth. Super fun video.

[@chaotixthefox]

He ran 2:51 back in the day. It's his age getting him these days.

[@nismo_zeta]

I've crashed my 370z Nismo twice because of frequent stock ABS malfunctions. Unfortunately it's a thing for this car. I was very close to selling my 370z because I couldn't figure how to fix the ABS, until I've found a solution in bespoke race flashed ABS (Teves MK60E1). I did full ABS swap and now everything is working beautifull. Additionally to Teves being faultless, stopping power and trail breaking capabilities are on the different level. I think this and much more expensive Bosch, are the only ways to really deal with that problem. I hope the issue is dealt with in the new Z, but to be honest I really doubt it, since it shares so many parts with the old one, including the brakes.

[@Malar1898]

The new Z still has the ice-mode ABS problem. Its also the reason i sold my 370Z nismo after building it, because you can't use the Car on the Nordschleife, for which i've built it :(

[@nismo_zeta]

@@Malar1898 full ABS swap to race variant is the only option. It's an expensive fix but wow - it changed my whole perspective on how good ABS can be

[@silnicnipirat]

This video was amazing! Z was very fast, I did not expect that!

[@PhysicxAlmighty]

What an awesome video !! Loved every Second of it !

[@hearingvisions7307]

definitely more fun driving the 86. That thing is a scream party 🥳 excellent racing, men ✌️🤝

[@Mr_Hillbilly_weeb]

Holy crap that kid is insane he's literally racing down the pass with one hand on the shifter in an S2000 he's the younger version of God hand

[@JETZcorp]

"I'm going to win this thing with my brain. The way an adult does it."

[@fhowland]

Love the sound of that S2000! So thrilling compared to the sedate Z. Was it naturally aspirated?

[@petertimowreef9085]

Fantastic video, thank you from the Netherlands!

[@edan2629]

such joyful and yet technical vibe,, man these are gold

[@mariocastillo6017]

el mejor canal... amo este formato de videos

[@ArtVandelayOfficial]

si si 🥂

[@AkinaSpeedStarsAE86]

cool to see how violently the camera shakes inside the 86 lol

[@Nskawtea1]

When he said his legs are shaking, reminds me when I was pushing my 07 Infiniti G35S sedan 6MT in the back roads against an old school BMW 5 series. After that, my legs were shaking too because I never pushed my car that hard before. At the end, I warped my brakes that were less than a year old. Love these videos!

[@tommyvercetti6035]

I'm so glad to see tsuchiya still using the 3.5 gear

[@justasimplegamer129]

I think on the first appearance of the 3.5 gear from the older episode i saw the sub saying that it will be used more frequently on Technical tracks like this one since 5th gear isnt necessary for the AE86 due to the constant corners and less straights. So i guess it will be permanently be used unless they need the 5th gear back on tracks that have more longer straights and less corners.

[@susantosunyu]

DK with that 3.5 gear: super lethal

[@fizeekpoaster]

I was wondering what he was doing there, haha.

[@DigoFei]

That was so nice to see. He kept that old time gear ratio! Awesome.

[@jeremyfonta8852]

This video is crazy 😮 2 years old already..

[@someonewithsomename]

13:27 I like this moment so much! The moment when Drift King realizes that there's a new generation on the block now

[@carloluigipomasin8625]

I am really impressed on how Keiichi handled that car with a suspension system that's probably older than the s2k and 350z

[@endless_touge]

I would had let Tsuciya drive all 3 cars for a lap because he knows better the course. Only then we could knew what car was faster

[@benjaminreed6652]

I’d place my bets on the S

[@Rastller]

Amazing content! Thank you!!!

[@Naggstek]

Blasting around Gunsai at these speeds looks terrifying.

[@mesunekonyan]

Man, this is scary fascinating. Great race!

[@skean2008]

This is so good

[@doukdouk2550]

One day I’ll own My own Trueno! Hopefully I don’t end up with a Ae85 😂

[@cosmic7234]

2 and 1 second behind cars that make at least 50% more power with way newer engineering is insane.

[@yansanent]

Quality content, thank you for the subtitles

[@justasimplegamer129]

The modern cars: Smooth and delicate rev on the corners AE86: HEAVY BASS ROAR You gotta love the high rev in that frequency.

[@wahyuzainuddin6688]

lost just 2 second with car where almost 20 years damn now i know why people called keichii san drift king 😮😮 he can make old car dancing like a brand new car with high tech 👏👏👏

[@PetersPianoShoppe]

Other countries may have more legendary racers. Other countries may have won more cups. But I don’t know anyone who displays more pure enjoyment of motorsports than the Japanese.

[@redrum707monkey]

love this thank you!

[@joeydjx6379]

Such a good video, congratz

[@dillanmistry]

I love this content I have to subscribe ❤

[@THEDOPEYDAISY]

Tsuchiya san when man and machine become one, I love that 3.5 gear mod he done it’s very useful.

[@estewar03]

Amazing, subscribed & can't wait for more action...

[@DJSilverskull]

Z's suspension must have a nice setup. It's totally not shaking as much as the others.

[@simpledj509chromo7]

Man those 44 minutes were gone in a flash. That was a very fun and enjoyable watch.

[@CapoKabar]

DK is slowly morphing into Gan-San😂 I miss Gan-san so much and how he would complain about suspension issues on an NSX while going 140 miles an hour on the autobahn 😭😭

[@dsubversion]

Good times. Thanks for the English sub!

[@brianmessemer2973]

WHAT IS THIS NEW AMAZINGNESS 🤯🤯🤯 I saw the thumbnail and at first through someone was just ripping off a Hot Version video and making their own subs or something. Tsuchiya started a whole new project??? OMG YES. I'm only 4 minutes in making this comment. A 44 MINUTE VIDEO??? YES. OMG I did not expect this 🔥🔥🔥

[@kimslash]

25:35 listen to those Heel-and-toe, man that was perfect

[@nobody-q8d9z]

I came here for the race and car content. I never knew i'll be falling for Mr. Ooyu (S2000 guy) HAHAHA

[@mka5790]

"Its fun because driving together and drive diffrent machine thought" ... sportsmanship👍👍 .. real man not hate each other

[@mka5790]

By the way love those 3 car sound, steamy.. no pop pop bang after shifting & DK super mame use 3.5ratio gear i think

[@joellhpahnamte4847]

The roar of that 86 is so beautiful 😍

[@ssisnake]

Sir I think literally everyone watching, those two drivers and anyone into cars looks up to you and would kill to spend a day driving with you.

[@とむ-s1z]

遅くなってすみません。今から見ますね！めちゃくちゃ楽しみです。

[@johnd5619]

love the mutual respect

[@marcelloventuri8898]

I didn't realize how old is that car untill he open the Window Amazing

[@JackSparrow-ce6zd]

Racing should always be as fun as this showing each other love and respect also supporting each other racers all over the world should be like these guys one love 😊

[@Nameschino]

2/3 of my favorite cars in one video. Change the nissan for a 91 nsx and this would be my all time favorite video. The S2K and the AE86 look absolutely gorgeous.

[@3blkst]

Tsuchiya is such a legend.

[@VanVassille]

I recommend color coding the subtitles. Sometimes Its hard to know which dialogue came from who. green for ae86, white for z, navy blue for s2k

[@SidewaysLoveJP]

My dream is to run touge with Tsuchiya san in my S2000 🥺

[@darrylchiajg4885]

Holy moly,Ooyu-sam really did the god hand style driving he has balls of adamantium

[@mkshukeri]

I just wonder how fast DK can go using his GT86 if fully modified

[@s2korpionic]

That was a good battle!

[@SucksTeamMx]

DK is pure old school legend skills

[@patanpataklan3634]

Excelente batalla Initial D, muy buena carrera y actitud de pasarlo un buen rato junto a buenos pilotos, saludos desde Santiasko de Chile 👏👃👏👃👏👃👍

[@Kingsoupturbo]

Pretty interesting they were trying to recreate the "God Hand" from the Anime, on the terrifying downhill, impressive.

[@TboneWertman]

As a Z34 owner.. this makes me happy 😊🎉🎉

[@Beatsbasteln]

tsuchiya is still incredibly fast for his age. i can only dream of becoming half as good

[@soapy5212]

I think they should make an anime about a AE86 racing other cool Japanese cars and drifting down a mountain 😉

[@ENTERTAINMENTSERVICE]

Nothing beats the spirit of the 86.

[@ngekseng]

one of the best episodes

[@Unxpekted]

Z34 when tuned right and deep pockets can be track beast or highway roll monster

[@jasonpark5692]

These guys have a lot of fun!

[@Tahseen-ph3em]

expected more from the legendary DK and his AE86

[@ArtVandelayOfficial]

TOUGE BATTLE ⚔️

[@kkimciuu]

love how Ooyu is steering with one hand just like God-Hand

[@MindDezign]

This was a great comparison as the s2000 had the ideal horse power to weight ratio. The A86 had completely stock interior not even a roll bar, just a classic, the Nizmo Z. In every frame he was comfortable, and composed as the heaviest of the group. The road didn't beat him up as a Driver.So he could drive faster. The A86 was pedal to the floor because he knew the course. At times this car was flying fast,and the Driver became ONE with the car, you could see this. Very interesting the three different versions, and how each car had a different advantage and disadvantage. This was a lot of FUN!

[@m_m7905]

I'll add Levi slicing Zeke in his beast titan form to pieces after Zeke decimated the survey corps as an honorable mention

[@sometimesidreamaboutcheese]

Also.. after few days of overthinking about this battle I wonder.. if there any of Lancia 037 in Japan? I've seen long time ago a documentary with even more rarest Delta S4 (❤‍🔥) in Japan (I still have no idea how it ended up in Japan). So, what I dreamed about all this time is.. I wonder if there any Lancia 037 in Japan, because it could be most astonishing occasion of Gunsai and Carprime - bring an absolute and legendary tarmac rally monster to its natural habitat to set an ultimate record by the golden hands of DK or NOB. 037 have mindblowing mechanical grip for 2wd with modern tyres (being in hands of skillful pilot). Damn.. I could not even imagine a more glorious event at Gunsai. Well, we were witnesses already of legendary Spirit's MR-S there :3

[@dan-othemando7958]

What a Wonderful Battle!!

[@terrorizerlmg2195]

legend between legend right there,but the reality is the AE86 is struggling to hold rank between the two.. utmost respect for the AE86,its still a legendary icon for touge racing and still has class of its own