Should Haiden Deegan be Penalised at Fox Raceway??

Haiden Deegan speaks on going off the track in the 2nd moto at the opening round of Pro Motocross at Fox Raceway.

[@Thatkidswift]

Putting the question on Levi, deegan is upping the mind games

[@RayNewton754]

The training with Webb

[@johnbabb1138]

I think Levi's reply was a lot more mature than Haiden's rambling.

[@Thatkidswift]

@@johnbabb1138 it’s all mind games. Webb does it and so does alot of others…no one cares about maturity only results

[@TexRobNC]

No, it's not a mind game, it's out on the table, he's just not a good person to be around.

[@GARBO96]

@@TexRobNC what exactly makes him not good to be around is he a criminal and asshole what does he do

[@Gpx111]

This 250 class this year is gonna be fire Gonna get well juicy

[@revvinevan014]

Very juicy indeed, and spicy

[@FarmerFpv]

Bunch of good riders.

[@Bradrixyz2502t]

Can’t wait!

[@Mark-g7s2c]

Yeah buddy 🤙😂

[@bmxican0704]

Trust me, none of them go off track on purpose. It’s one thing if they go off and cut a corner getting back on. But rolling past a jump and then hopping back onto the same straight is not an advantage in any way.

[@chestermartin2356]

I don't trust you

[@FarmerFpv]

t many grey areas. Haiden did not pass anyone or did not gain any time when going off track. He won fair and square He was pulling away from Levi Kitchen toward the last two laps. Levi was having a bad day. He wasn't as fast as he usually is.

[@FarmerFpv]

@@chestermartin2356 We don't care. you donut.

[@KA._.144]

it is when your off track on the gas and your gaining speed while everyone else would be jumping

[@chill0141414]

@@KA._.144 he didnt gain any time.

[@PAXx222]

I feel we're about to see the best racing season ever with these to at the helm

[@revvinevan014]

Gana be spicy season for the 250 class this year

[@johndoe1778]

So glad, sick of watching for 450s only

[@jasonc1817]

I’m glad we have the 250 class

[@OtisFlint]

Seriously.

[@Kiwi_T-Bone]

If you mean cos it looks like the 450s are gonna be a snore fest then I fully agree with ya man

[@David_peo1982]

None off them should been have had points taking off them he made no time Tom did he gonna win it away so people need to stop hating on the kid listen to no 7 JS IN LIVE SHOW SAID HAIDEN WAS YOUNG BEAST MODE

[@fordfan09]

I could see it going either direction. But it seems like some weekends the inconsistencies work for you and the next it works against you. Seems kinda petty on PC's end tbh especially this early in the season. Let it roll and get him next weekend..

[@microsoftteams2663]

Haiden lost ground due to his off--track eccirsion. Vialle did not.

[@HeavyK_MXB]

I think a lot of people assumed it was the part we all saw in moto 1 when haiden went off the track and obviously lost ground to Levi. The review was about a separate incident when haiden went off in moto 2. It happened when kitchen was probably the closest he ever got to haiden, haiden went off track coming out of a corner and went around a jump. He definitely didn't gain ground, but I think the reason they looked at it is because as soon as haiden got back to the very edge of the track he pinned it and threw a big roost, but technically he was inside the track markers at that point. I don't think there should be a penalty, but I do understand why they looked at it for so long because it was really close

[@justingeturgun]

He literally stoped last lap because he picked up a track marker and took it with him lmao I mean crossing the line is crossing the line.

[@dynamite6507]

You can't gain on opponents and you re enter once your able

[@dynamite6507]

I think he thought he was gonna be on his side

[@XplicitVoltz]

G move from haiden making Levi answer for him. Props to Levi for being honest also. I see a season long battle between these two guys. Great start for team 38

[@slickbishop116]

“Total fucking g move. He looked like such a badass dancing around the question.” We got an experienced glazer over here

[@kylereiff9672]

Why you mad sweetheart ❤

[@berniedmj1]

Actually, none of them should’ve been penalized. Ryan & Ricky was on point with their analysis. The shot callers who penalized them are the problem. Because they weren’t clear & equal across the board when they penalized them. They also said nothing would’ve changed (other than the points) if none of them were penalized.

[@atrain882]

Exactly correct James and Ricky did that shit all the time?

[@jsportjake]

When are they going to publish the special Deegan rule book?

[@kevinthompson2327]

Quit your crying.😭

[@bryceridesbikes]

Haiden seems a little calmer and more humble in his interviews. Still riding just as hard on the track, feels like he's headed for a good career

[@TheTanner218]

I feel like the way he rides won't transfer well to a 450, but maybe that's just how he rides the 250. I feel like Jett was just finesse and body position when Deegan is WFO.

[@bryceridesbikes]

@@TheTanner218 He's got a ways to go to get that all sorted out. It's definitely going to take a ton of strength to keep his same style. maybe it's possible in supercross but I'm not sure it will work for longer outdoors motos. Maybe he'll pick up some tomac influence if they keep riding together.

[@pono801yuli7]

@@TheTanner218they have him training on a 450 like 2 days out of the week so he can ride the 250 the way he does.. Once he gets to 450s he’ll make the adjustments and get to the top after a couple seasons.

[@OtisFlint]

@@TheTanner218 Plenty of guys hung it out on the 450. RC, JS7, heck RV did more rear steering on the 450 than using the handlebars.

[@chrispbacon4480]

He can be top 5 but he is definitely no Jett. His style requires a lot of strength but he is also too erratic and makes too many mistakes to consistently challenge the top guys. He will have arm pump issues for sure with his style of riding.

[@R955]

Why are we still talking about it? I watched it several times, he was on the gas for maybe a second, then, visibly slows down prior to re-entering the track. I have not found the footage of Vialle, so I can't compare. Anyone see his offtrack excursion?

[@wesarnold2783]

It’s up to the AMA director. Who, if you didn’t know, directs the AMA. Therefore, no one has say so but the director of the AMA. Which means it doesn’t matter what we think or what is right or wrong. We all know the rules are a huge grey area. No different than targeting in football. Some people get thrown out. Some people get away with it. Sounds like life to me.

[@austinmartin5525]

If tom gets docked a spot for 1 infraction why can deegan go off track 3 times with no infraction..fucking wild

[@BrodyBryant-qy2rv]

I mean he filled what he was supposed to do he when your riding so fast and you go off it’s gonna happen you probably don’t even race and if you do you don’t go fast enough to know

[@diabeto-j64]

because tom passed someone and deegan did the right thing all 3 times

[@austinmartin5525]

@diabeto-j64 neither did tom?

[@travissturman4472]

Hell ya he deserves the win he won. He didnt get any advantage from that off track insedint...Levi wasnt goin to catch him anyway

[@Ezz-bh2mo]

Yeah but it’s the fact he did it three times and Tim went off the track once and got penalized

[@onementality9781]

I’m team Deegan all day but Levi is 100% correct here

[@502outdoors]

First off a ton of people went off there so…. Fix the track so they don’t… create a larger berm there, or put some banners there… also maybe change the rule to go back on where you left or instead of waiting until after make it a drive thru penalty…. Because like Levi said he probably wouldn’t have passed him regardless…. So a drive thru is right it may cost you one or three who knows… but also fix the track

[@bigdusa11]

Yes he did accelerate. In both times you can't punish one and not the other

[@staryotes]

Tom did yes he missed a whole section and gained time and deegan didn't gain any time big difference

[@KA._.144]

if we dock deegan here we go and dock multiple people for going off with deegan in sx and deegan being the only one docked. or we take away deegan penalty from months ago.

[@U-TubeSurfer45]

War!!! Competition! Love it. Haters are crying, yet this will bring fun races to watch!

[@TrucKiiN]

At least 250 is exciting! 450 is like watching qualifiers lol shoutout Lawrence bros for making it look easy tho

[@Leland387]

Refer you to RV & RC interview on topic explaining it perfectly

[@AJourneyOfYourSoul]

It's on!!!! 250 is going to bring it this season. Dog fight to the end. I still think Haiden can take the championship. The kid is the real deal.

[@timbernard6757]

Tom did not look back and stayed on the gas. Haiden slowed down and looked back. That is why Haiden did not get docked

[@earl6969]

No foul....play on. Top 10 are all just settling in....and a few are already on 🔥. Good to see Kitchen and Deegz yucking it up in the podium pit. And indeed...the shit talkers can't chew on that one for much longer. ❤

[@williamdavenport6481]

Blah blah blah to the haters.he didint make anytime on him...let all the crying begin......all out war

[@jakoumat]

Didn't lose time because he accelerated.

[@TheHuggybear516]

@@jakoumatWilly is just a D rider because it makes him feel better about being a loser IRL

[@staryotes]

​@@jakoumattom did yes... deegan didn't gain any time

[@TheHuggybear516]

@@jakoumathe’s just D riding because rooting for a kid makes home feel better about being a loser

[@staryotes]

@Nathan-ef3us wrong tom missed a whole section and gained time and deegan didn't gain any time big difference

[@Kiwi_T-Bone]

It's round one ffs. I mean they gotta get it right to set the precedent for the rest of the season but I doubt it will come down to that incident by round 11

[@dawoiks63]

That's an Arnold Schwarzenegger mind game move on Levi Haiden!! 🏁

[@frankdieber2060]

I absolutely love his f you I’m better than you, you never were going to pass me anyway attitude. That attitude Coming from a piss ant like myself, everyone should disregard but coming from the man Degan Jr him self everyone better sit back and enjoy the show because it’s going to get real!!!!

[@TyB.-to3ek]

Didn't he get a track marker stuck in his boot?

[@zackk695]

I think he shouldn’t be docked because he didn’t move up a place but the best thing to do is let the other rider go ahead just to be sure then just chase him down and pass him again which Haden is going to do anyway. Haden, it’s time for a cool pro motocross riders haircut that looks bad ass. Get the fluff out and look serious and people will take you serious. It’s going to be a long journey because your going to be one of the best riders ever in the 450 class as well

[@SoberBangBangVeteran]

Wanna hit rewind and tell me 😂😂😂 2024 broski we got video

[@outlawNumberone]

As long as you don't pass anyone when off track then no violation, that's the rule.

[@telefunkenyou47]

But his dad is Brian Deegan. Do you want Yamaha’s or not?

[@sbf432]

I like this kid, he's a bad dude on a bike. He's great for the sport

[@Motosportz]

Who's girlfriend in the back mean mugging him?

[@jessiechandler1875]

😂😂😂😂 Lil Beast mode 💯💯👊🇺🇸 Love this kid🤘

[@piquette1234]

There some crazy good riders in this class

[@SkaterMan-fb5vl]

I know ppl watched the race but if u replay for one his rear and slips out and he hammered the throttle just for a split sec but this is a sticky situation but almost everyone has drama or problem with Levi. I mean from what I saw, I definitely know ppl on here know more than me but I just giving opinion on what I reviewed. Who remembers the kid claiming his bike? Lmao

[@moodyshooty]

If Tom was penalized then Deegs should be. Personally neither should be, but the fact that they were instant to penalize Tom and then had to “think” about Deegan shows some favoritism

[@johnnyhotshoe1292]

His bike just throws roost even when the throttle is off 😂 I don't understand lying when it was filmed and showed in replays!

[@Mr.kelly5]

Just like the pro built bike that his daddy F that other kid out of then made sure his career was over by going to Yamaha to cry F them

[@nurzyboyone8826]

You can see as clear as day that he lets off the gas and gets back on the track. And he loses time. It was a larger gap between the two when he got back on the track. Doesn’t matter now. It was great race in between the two of them. All good.

[@ShepardOfficial]

@johnnyhotshoe You're the type of person who should never be an eyewitness in court lol.. your recollection of events is so skewed by bias 😂

[@Matt18880]

I agree, he accelerated and the flaggers and staff went running away

[@nurzyboyone8826]

@@Matt18880 yes everybody went running. I even saw fans starting to run.Lol !! yeah OK😂

[@PinkuStyle]

Yea man fuck being nice!

[@brunostudley2191]

Haiden’s confident, he knows he can beat Levi regularly, it’s going to be an interesting season that’s for sure!

[@gaaccount7466]

No. Deegan went from a bike length away from Kitchen to 25 yards.

[@Kyle-k4w]

Don't mess with deegan it will just give him motivation to beat everyone worse than normal. Hope he stays away from calling out Mitch because he builds a lot of great parts at PC. Deegan most likely won't ever race for him but who knows what companies will merge or change in the future. He isn't being disrespectful but saying who is complaining and asked the rider on that team if he thought it was a problem. The question was asked he wasn't just bringing it up complaining about the situation. If they didn't ask about the issue he wouldn't have answered with his opinion. At under 18 and possibly losing a win after spending his life suffering to get to this point and be competitive. These guys are more mature than the average person and still get a bunch of crap on social media.

[@GraemeNelson-v1t]

He should be docked it's simple he sped up clearly. Love him or hate him he sped up

[@Mistro07]

Troll on

[@staryotes]

He didn't speed up lol

[@HeavyK_MXB]

If you look closely he didn't accelerate until he got back in line with the track markers, so technically he was within the track limits at that point.

[@brandon_doe]

@@Mistro07I’m sayin lmao

[@davideaton7855]

That’s up to officials Make the call on Deegan

[@valyatimtsenko]

Get em Deegan

[@170170jon]

He 100% should have been docked. They literally did the exact same thing. Went off, accelerated, got back on. No it didn't give them an advantage but if you're gonna dock one you have to dock the other. Or don't dock either one. The AMA sucks.

[@KA._.144]

if thats the case you gotta rake away deegans penalty in SX where multiple people went off and only deegan was docked, or dock everyone else that went off months after the race.

[@170170jon]

@@KA._.144 perfectly fine with that. Whatever is the same for everyone. The AMA are loose with the rules for certain riders. At certain times. That's a problem when one race can determine a championship.

[@KA._.144]

@@170170jon the thing is you think going off is the problem when its not, accelerating off track is. vialle was on it the entire time he was off and jumped back on track, deegan didnt. when you dont understand the rules they seem unfair and random

[@170170jon]

@@KA._.144 bro they both accelerated. I understand the fruity rules. Neither one of them should have been docked.

[@jakamanewb]

i dont care what anyone says this years 250 class has become much more interesting than the 450 class. much prefer watching the 250s over the 450s much in part to a guy named Deegan😮

[@wickedgrafix]

Remember when Brian Deegan got caught blatantly cutting the track back in the day?

[@movhs2995]

Don’t give him any fuel or you won’t ever put this kid out

[@kellyclark7762]

Look at deenkus crossing his arms trying to make them look bigger

[@TheYoungWolf]

Deegan is pissed! Long story short, it's going to be a war now until the end.

[@noelgarvin7637]

NO... He did not gain any position or advantage, he got back on track the same distance behind as when he went off...

[@thomasbartlett8503]

Kitchens my dude but Haiden clearly got robbed. He straight up beat LK47. This 250 class is going to be a war all summer long.

[@tyrfryr]

Levi wasn’t going to get around him anyway so no harm no foul.

[@shire413RA]

Haiden turned beat red

[@dan8426]

And he backed up that comment. Made everyone look stupid

[@justingeturgun]

Levi literally took the track marker with him and then stopped. It’s his fault ….

[@Troll4youu]

Ok but when u go off track 3 or 4 times u need to be docked

[@neilorange4112]

Ya idt Tom should have gotten docked a position

[@yunggalxe8424]

Lmao haiden at the end . Long story short it’s gonna be war now!

[@gekcee3266]

He should've for the 2nd off track issue but he didn't get penalized so get over it

[@macy6676]

That’s BS, he shouldn’t be penalized for something out of his control

[@bradpaca]

Raced in the 80's and have loved this sport all my life. But thanks to Yamaha and the claiming of Deagans bike at Loretta was handled wrong. I think Yamaha really made a big mistake, making threatening options to rider and sponsor. Good luck, but I am done watching.

[@brucemorrison3563]

Tough call.Tom got screwed.Same rules for all.

[@5635randy]

Never ask Levi BS

[@conman063]

I like deagan but if Tom got docked then deagan should have gotten docked. He threw roost at a track hand

[@baldguyforpar]

Bro has skills cmon

[@buzzygermony2745]

No Penalty for Deegan!

[@BBDumfuk]

The only thing that helps his case really was the giant triple right after, but I still think he should’ve let up more and doubled it.

[@Kevin-wd2is]

The situation didn't call for penalty

[@tammygriffin2738]

Tom shouldn’t have been penalized! Let’s be fair !

[@davodinkum3360]

Man Hallie’s got a big head, like literally.

[@jeremykoepp8878]

LMFAO lil deeg is a monster!!

[@Jamesgraves09]

Tom did not slow down. Haiden did

[@scotthall8850]

I wouldn’t give him anything!

[@jimbo4203]

Go Deegs 😊

[@MichaelNowell724]

I think the ama needs to get off the riders backs and let them race. Shits getting ridiculous.

[@robertgibson9136]

Tom you can beat deegan but you can't beat deegan and the AMA.

[@spikedehaan3188]

Tom did not let off, haiden did

[@FarmerFpv]

I thought the Lawrence haters were bad. The Haiden haters are the worst of the worst. It's all because he came from money they can't stand him. Money won't buy what he has.

[@3acharyy87]

Is money the reason why Haiden is a douche tho?

[@jamiescarr3127]

Deegan most definitely should be penalised for at least one of his 3 times off track.

[@adventurer67]

Giving Tom a penalty (when they shouldn't) has opened a can of worms that stink already.

[@gregjohnson317]

HELL NO

[@chelseyneece4583]

this football or motorcross

[@ilovelamp61]

Moral of the story: Tom shouldn’t have been docked.

[@jessiechandler1875]

Tom got passed legit even after??? why doc him. So we can dock Deegan 🧐 Is AMA after our boy 😮 O well it’s War if so ⏰

[@ebutuoy8272]

"Fight to the Death" "This is War" This is MX Deegs, not a fucking Gladiator or WW2 movie.

[@tysonsmith7066]

Title 24 covered it best

[@travisfletcher900]

Deegs makes it so easy to hate him. 😂

[@Webbwagon2]

That blonde with the orange hat be lookin bruh

[@bray2424]

“it’s going to be a war now until the end” 🤓

[@jeremiahgould83]

Haters gonna hate keep being a gangster

[@nikhayes3396]

Wow someone asking good questions at a mx presser? huh… interesting.

[@TeamStevers]

Yes

[@roozynz]

He accelerated

[@staryotes]

Tom yes he did

[@staryotes]

Tom missed a whole section and gained time... deegan didn't gain any time big difference