Vaush: No More Horsing Around - H3TV

[@genthorpeee]

You know the crew means business when Hila’s here on a Monday 💥💥

[@deecc9285]

I said the exact same thing 😂😂

[@poopy-333]

Tacoma wept

[@firmanang9132]

the tea is piping hot

[@river9309]

omg i thought it was friday

[@legster983]

That’s what I thought!!! X

[@envyelizabeth7709]

the theory that Dan orchestrated this is genuinely hilarious in all aspects

[@yert5035]

Well he is a tankie.

[@omniisimproductions]

Like how do you even come to that conclusion!? 🤣

[@Ahrecks0]

@@omniisimproductionsDan “I’ve been holding onto this for years” idk man. He is a auth left tankie too. Loves hasan. It wouldn’t be surprising at all if you think about it

[@Blueberi]

You guys love your little roleplays, but it's weird that you use real life people in them.@@Ahrecks0

[@omniisimproductions]

@@Ahrecks0 LOL bro this started because Vaush accidentally showed his corn collection. Like you are grasping at straws my dude.

[@partial7707]

the vaush to horse animorph thumbnail is EVERYTHING

[@bigdadybojangls9219]

The thumbnail title combo for this episode is probably one of the best things I’ve seen ever seen from the h3 crew lmfao

[@Misunao23]

Cam was having fun on this day 😂

[@peachyspalace]

His ultimate fantasy

[@hxghasfxck]

He definitely right clicked saved this into the to be sorted

[@revengewrld999]

*"watch me whip... now watch me neigh neigh"* 😭💀 chat was on point this ep

[@cle19xx89]

Stamps needs a real shoutout for always riding with the crew, they gotta be like the most loyal sponsor. even on eps like this, they’re here 10 toes down lol

[@travis590]

I hope they don't back out after learning they sponsored the pedo/horse/goblin internet sex cult exposé. 😂

[@PS-qw5np]

4 hooves*

[@TheLights045]

@@PS-qw5np🤭🤭🤭

[@Z0Qnn5]

Nice

[@youtubeuser5269]

I love how Hila brushes his fur in the beginning 😂

[@pepsibIue]

Tacoma sighed today

[@cb4850]

*neighed

[@HellaSayHella]

@@cb4850 Gottteeeem, king.

[@justasplanned8023]

Explain this meme

[@iwantascreenameplz]

A sigh of relief

[@JoseGranny]

A neigh of relief

[@madalyn9151]

As a parent, I’m horrified. Olivia is exactly right, Vaush is talking about someone’s CHILD. The argument that CP of one event being shared X amount of times is fine because it’s not like that makes it happen over and over again is so asinine, it makes me sick. The fact it happened ONCE, to ONE CHILD is enough to make it morally reprehensible. No amount of shares/saves/what the fuck ever is going to negate that.

[@cherrypop4675]

Well said

[@claudiabenedito2928]

Fucking disgusting

[@yert5035]

listen to what he actually said instead of h3 20 second clips..... the fact these clips are only 20 seconds should give you pause...... why couldn't Ethan just covered one or all of these clips in full context? if vaush was really into loli why would ethan weaken his point by gish galloping a bunch of out of context clips? you know you can look at the contents of the folder right? ethan is evil scum unsubbed.

[@AnnaVictrix]

It’s also so disingenuous because plenty of victims have attested that footage of their assault being disseminated feels like the victimization never ends.

[@ff-qf1th]

yeah and he agrees with this

[@triciajane101]

when it cuts to AB 'were taking this very serious', he's in a cowboy fit, sitting in lasso rope 😂🤠

[@zbcupcake]

Omg time stamp

[@dd4271]

Timestamp plz lol

[@Roxanna_Gallegos]

1:04:41

[@dd4271]

@@Roxanna_Gallegos so good

[@victoria1700]

that had me cracking up

[@slimybakertv]

Vaush: i cant believe he did an entire 2 hour personal attack segment on me. Ethan: proceeds to dedicate an entire 4 hour show on Vaush

[@lao5610]

All he had to do was be honest with Ethan, his audience, and himself. Instead, he traded it all for 72 hours more of fame.

[@catlsam8996]

So unnecessary. I skipped this one

[@jord.an6123]

It was pretty cold of ethan ngl. Looking at the actual one leaked photo, as all the videos of vaush saying sussy stuff are just unfair clips from his stream, he didnt need to to do him like this

[@jord.an6123]

Interesting point. I saw vaushs apology stream and he was being pretty candid and honest. He mostly just seemed depressed ethan would go after him without even thinking twice. Vaush fights nazis on the internet. its what he does. OFC those people have been editing videos to make vaush look bad for YEARS. Ethan should be better than to believe their nonsense.@@lao5610

[@deecc9285]

@@jord.an6123 🤣🤣 what exactly did Ethan do other then show the shit Vaush said himself. Y'all are wild

[@l4urind4]

"You do not want to die on Lolli Hill." Best line of the show. Hilarious.

[@StriderAngel496]

but the cherry blossoms are so PINK on that hill, the GENTLE TOUCH of the breeze in your hair AND the SWEET MIASMA OF THAT WONDERFUL FLOWERy field. Who could resist? holy horse cock! I'm joking, ok? PLZ don't put me on THE LIST

[@annale91]

In my opinion there is a very clear distinction between something produced by child slavery and CP. In the case of chocolate for example - the horrible part of child slavery as Hila pointed out is not as apparent AND it's not the main product. In the case of CP - the harm that is being done IS the product. People ENJOY seeing the ACT that is causing harm. That's a HUGE difference. You don't buy chocolate BECAUSE it is produced by children.

[@nomoresunforever3695]

Yeah, imagine someone trying to find out exactly which piece of chocolate was proven to have been produced using child slavery and then trying to buy that on purpose because it tastes better to them to know slavery was involved.

[@larissabrglum3856]

Right. I don't know why it's so hard to say "These two things are bad, but one of them is clearly worse because XYZ."

[@Mavuika_Gyaru]

Exactly! Not to mention, how do you know that this particular piece of chocolate was made with child slave labor? Meanwhile cp ALWAYS HARMS CHILDREN

[@_VISION.]

If both parties have an orgasm then no harm is done. Chocolate is orgasmic.

[@nobluepens]

I thought Ethan was a shrimp until I processed the background and heard a horse noise

[@glizzymcguire7]

I had the same thought lmao. what a great ep

[@ivy-rr9vi]

same 😭😭

[@fortunaastral]

Lobster for me LMAO

[@spaceykc]

Same oh my god hahahaha

[@H3_remix]

I genuinely had no clue what was happening for a moment so glad I wasn’t the only one 😂 😅

[@gracestacy7641]

$20 for a bale of hay is insane - people on the east coast get in a tizzy when its $10 a bale. Our horses eat about a bale a day each, just to put it in perspective. Just made me chuckle when Ethan said it was a good deal lol

[@grimdeth2197]

$20 to feed a 1,000 pound creature? Thats an amazing deal. Cant even feed 1 person 3 meals for $20

[@metalface_villain]

@@grimdeth2197 you definitely can if those meals are hay :D

[@MrDougfunny7]

things tend to be more expensive when you buy them in lower quantities.

[@moebie]

TOTALLY AGREE so glad someone else said it!! Especially when it’s cold horses and livestock are hella expensive to keep. Also a horses diet isn’t just hay so it adds up quickly (especially for senior horses)

[@SparkkyBojangles]

​@@moebieyou've never seen my horses.

[@ShabeRaven]

To me the most shocking revelation out of all of this is that this dude is 29.

[@TheEsseboy]

He turns 30 tomorrow

[@aoyanagi]

ARE YOU SERIOUS?! Oh my god. Genuinely thought this guy was almost my dads age

[@baddreambaby-]

Jesus Christ I thought he was in his 40s

[@ee5647]

Seriously!!! Thought he was in his 40s

[@j3rmain3]

He looks old af

[@jennyav9814]

If this had happened to Destiny or Hasan, exact same situation, and Ethan did the exact same content on his stream, Vaush would have done a react to it and eaten that shit up and never would have said bad faith or lying. He doesn’t have a problem with what Ethan did, just that it was him.

[@Froggele]

💯

[@BlackFriday89]

1000% cope showing don't know wtf you're talking about. Vaush has often critized bad faith arguments against his detractors. This whole thing is mostly a smear imo, don't know to what end though ... Just frustrating ...

[@OscarLangleySoryu]

YUP he'd be in hog heaven- I mean horse heaven- if he got that opportunity.

[@vraimothra]

agreed and the use of "bad faith" is so frustrating bc people DO argue stuff and call people names/ make accusations in bad faith but in this instance its being used over and over as a place holder for "youre saying something that i dont like" and its watering down the use of the word. ive talked to someone who's pulled this and its such a deflection of all the vaid points youre making bc they just dont want to hear it or dont like your "tone"

[@ghostangel333]

Ethan using a horse crop to emphasize his words like an orchestra conductor is something I never could have imagined. Always keeping it fresh.

[@JoseGranny]

I died!

[@RealElongatedMuskrat]

It's the little details that keep this pod at the tippity top 😂 beautiful touch

[@CadgerChristmasLightShow]

As someone who knows nothing about horses, I was wondering what the hell that thing was. Makes total sense now 😂

[@Flavorless.lemon1]

The fact no one is dying over what hila said “giddy up lollipop” Oh my god the loudest I’ve laughed watching the show

[@paige.]

@@tluvsbeauty1 1:00:58

[@CristhianYi]

Truly underrated, that was so funny!!

[@makaveli0_0]

the layers.. the comedic timing. yes it was perfect

[@briannawest5812]

Hila comes outta no where w her jokes and I feel like no one catches on really. She does it so effortlessly too

[@madlovee]

very soundbite worthy too

[@topwomble]

Vaush was going to call in, but he was feeling a little horse

[@TheEsseboy]

He tried to pony up the strength, but he got frrrrrussstrated and threw a temper tantrum! He was horsing around all day!

[@jtmurr]

i think he's wanting to feel a big horse

[@momerathsoutgabe-mt1gc]

His throat was feeling a little horse

[@NJ-wb1cz]

​@@momerathsoutgabe-mt1gche wishes it did

[@MrMyers758]

@@jtmurr I disagree. The little aspect seems to be something he likes.

[@cynthmae]

CP SHOULDNT be a commodity. That's the real argument here. Vaush is using it as a comparison to other commodities sourced unethically, when CP SHOULDNT BE a commodity to begin with. Cobalt or diamond should be a commodity but sourced in a more ethical manner.

[@peantbutr]

it was definitely a bad argument

[@uninstaller2860]

​@@peantbutrI hope you mean it was badly FRAMED!

[@FabiolaRVela]

Yea those comparisons are WILD

[@domrickas6633]

Are you saying child slavery should be a commodity?

[@nuisance3345]

@@domrickas6633are you fucking illiterate? obv the commenter isn’t saying that

[@Archivist42]

I am genuinely disappointed in Tipster at 01:38:19 - what is he doing attacking Olivia? Starting to see now why so many people think he’s a joke

[@omniisimproductions]

I actually didn’t like him and couldn’t remember why so I left it alone and was just like whatever must’ve not been important and now I see my instincts were right on the money 😂

[@Choompaloompa]

I personally never understood why the crew and some fans thought he was funny or somehow a solid guy to contribute to the show. He has always seemed like a freak, and now this shows he is an asshole as well. The soundbite was good for a giggle at best.

[@Annbell2002]

Hila brushing Ethan at the beginning was all I needed to know this would be a fire episode

[@uninstaller2860]

I knew they were into horseplay

[@Aaron-hf5or]

Not even a fan of the show but this particular episode is gold.

[@tizzyyy]

3:02:21 I am pulling my hair out at his constant use of these analogies because he is essentially saying because we can’t prevent all crime we should do nothing to prevent any type of crime. Both are bad. The reason we criminalize possession of CSAM (demand) is because it deters the production (ie supply). Also, we do have laws against using slave labor or child labor in the production of goods. It is very hard to regulate every aspect of the supply chain when those things happen in other countries and it’s hard for the government to trace down that line. Not obvious that the possession of a phone is exploitative, but obvious to everyone but this gross freak that CSAM is exploitative. Side note: I’m a child protection attorney and possession of CSAM, even without “reproducing the initial act” is most definitely harmful to the victims. Those kids are revictimized each time someone views that photo. Imagine if photos of you being SA’d were passed around the internet. Fucking despicable he should be in jail.

[@hkandm4s23]

Thank you...Tauma therapist here. I've been saying the same. All the people shouting about some conspiracy or bad faith are idiots. Ethan is a parent. If a parent loves their children and hears anyone say that you can send an image of a child being abused to thousands of people without hurting anyone, it's game over. Every time that image is viewed does harm. There's literally no argument or context or nuance that can defend the consumption and distribution of CSAM.

[@liesbeneathoureyes]

Literally, making chocolate illegal is not an appropriate or effective way to combat child slavery in the chocolate supply chain, because it’s possible to produce chocolate without abusing children, and chocolate isn’t in and of itself a harmful product (if produced ethically). There is no ethical way to produce CSAM/child p*rn because the product IS child abuse. Making CSAM illegal reduces demand which is an effective way to combat people trying to supply it. I honestly don’t understand how Vaush and his goons think this is an appropriate or good analogy to make

[@mitzara25]

Thank you!! That's what I'm saying. I guess his viewers are young, how do they dont see how little sense his arguments have?

[@RyanRenteria]

pin this commentttttt

[@ellielou1031]

Well said 👏🏼

[@erroreden]

Jumped outta my skin when he said “im 26” in DOG years maybe?

[@jessl1934]

Horse years, actually

[@JoshuaRed-v4f]

I'm pretty sure Vaush Is legit in late his 20s.

[@milkteamachine]

Saying “Nonono, I want to *be* the horse” is actually such a twist on an old classic

[@joesosa41]

Lmao timestamp? 😂I remember that but I don't know when it happened anymore.

[@darianraissi205]

JTRHNBR

[@zacharymorritt]

@@joesosa41 3:31:31 Is when he's talking about wanting to be the horse

[@PR0STITUTI0NWH0RE]

Unreal

[@-bones-7021]

imagine doing this to someone and having no regard for the person at all. what he watches is none of yall business, imagine if someone did that to you

[@silly2191]

opening the pod with ethan in the horse suit had me dead

[@Mister_Terrific806]

It caught me off guard, I couldn't stop laughing

[@erinmison4034]

The most short sighted aspect of these ‘men are biologically designed to prefer young fertile girls’ argument is that it completely disregards 99% of what is and should be involved in romantic and sexual attraction, such as: willingness and consent, aversion to causing harm, intellectual and emotional equality/ connection, etc. the fact that some people will reduce themselves to evolutionary impulses is tragic

[@AasiyahMuhammed_777]

Not to mention little girls like how lolis are portrayed are not fertile. Women are at our peak fertility around 22 yet this freaks want 9-16 year olds.

[@boomzy9532]

...sexual attraction is ENTIRELY an evolutionary impulse. Saying it's wrong to have sex with a 16 year old girl and saying it's wrong to be attracted to one are two entirely different things.

[@erinmison4034]

@@boomzy9532 With all due respect that is not an absolute. The evolutionary basis of attraction is by theory linked to primary needs (continuation of the species, safety, access to sustenance), individuals are sexually attracted to all sorts of things that have no relevance to evolution. Feet, cake farts, perfume, clothing choices, etc.

[@AasiyahMuhammed_777]

@@boomzy9532yeah but these lolis are like 9-13. And our peak fertility as women is 22 not 16.

[@alicetoyou448]

@@boomzy9532you’re telling on yourself more than anything with that. People have a wide variety of things they find attractive, and we are constantly evolving - some more than others.

[@claudiabenedito2928]

I hate how vaush talks about CP in such a distanced abstract way. So sickening that he talks about it like children being exploited sexually isn’t one of the most horrific damaging things that can happen to a child

[@Yo-sb9st]

You say that but you don't give a flying f about child slaves. That's the argument. Child slavery is just as fucked up

[@nickv1212]

@@Yo-sb9st Yeah. People really don't wanna engage with the argument in good faith.

[@birdio9831]

@@Yo-sb9st What if i think BOTH are horrific?

[@asimplewizard]

​​@@Yo-sb9stthat's the most smooth brained things I've ever heard lol. You don't really know much about the child slavery laws internationally do you? Have you even researched the dramatic decline in child slavery in industrialized countries? Even the ones that western super powers are supposed destroying? In the US alone we pump billions of dollars into government agencies that make sure that major corporations are ethically sourcing goods. Those laws are reviewed by thousands of people and employed/refined by lawmakers all around the country to fit different situations/regions. It's just not as fun to talk about as the company doing the crime. Everyone cares about child slavery. That's why it's on such a massive global decline in industrialized countries. Jesus, go back to Reddit where people think you sound smart.

[@asimplewizard]

​​@@Yo-sb9stalso you're being disgusting by equating CP with unethically sourced commodity goods. A diamond CAN be ethically sourced. CP under any hypothetical can't be. If you've rationalized it as a commodity, you're a horrifying person.

[@c.j.c.6293]

15:37 “she’s mom, she’s THEE mom.” Brought such a big smile to my face!!

[@otero30]

just started watching the ep but i just had to say that i also went through a 'loss of innocence' phase with people online. it's a wild feeling when you're commenting on a video about minor SA, condemning it, and then a bunch of people try to lecture you that it's biologically normal for men to be drawn to that age group... and they say it so matter-of-factly and almost condescendingly. it's been really disturbing

[@alondrahart]

It’s horrifying honestly

[@Sarahphases]

Even in these comments it’s rife with defenders. I’m floored. These aren’t inside thoughts; they’re posting online. I’m horrified to think how many silently agree even outside the outpouring. People are so much worse than I thought and I already thought they were the worst. 😣

[@larissabrglum3856]

They just can't keep their mouths shut. It's bizarre

[@andrewjmichael]

"Your honor in my defense I was in a gooning frenzy and thought it was a short stack goblin"

[@Cashhhhew]

I can’t 💀

[@leastbased]

and his fans believe this shit its crazy

[@robbieturtle6218]

LMFAO

[@samanthakeiter5578]

😂😂😂 ☠️

[@yeturs69420]

That post nut realization that you just did a felony but you were just in a goon frenzy looking for good goblin porn 😢😢😢

[@patricknoll81]

"As long as you don't pay for it, it's not immoral" is an answer that came out waaayyyy too quickly 😮

[@larissabrglum3856]

My jaw hit the floor when I heard that

[@merucrypoison296]

That’s definitely what he tells himself in his head when he downloads it xD

[@bornkinggamer3347]

Timestamp? I'm not going through 3 and a half hours to find the substantive claims in this livestream.

[@bornkinggamer3347]

@@merucrypoison296 That doesn't even make any sense.

[@patricknoll81]

@@bornkinggamer3347 Why did you come to the video just to comment that you aren't going to watch the video? This was a month ago. I'm not going to go digging to convince you that a guy who has openly embraced beastiality has sus takes.

[@bgizy]

did ethan really make it through this entire ep without hitting the button?

[@mandyzhu4632]

Omg your right that means businesses 😂

[@lGravesl]

He behaves when Hila is there lol

[@HaleKelsey1]

@shelbytraughber4904I mean I think he had an idea of what he was gonna say and said it. It’d be impossible to script an entirely live 4 hour podcast; it appears as though he’s just stating the main/key factors he’s identified and is defending those to his ethical or moral contention.

[@Miak85]

Omg i didn’t even notice… 😮 theres no such thing as a coincidence….

[@milkteamachine]

Unlike Vaush, he was NOT horsing around

[@h3podcastlore]

I know this technically isn't a Content Court episode but I'm saying "welcome back Content Court" anyway

[@czopik95]

Content barn😂

[@JoseGarcia-jl2zq]

I miss content court 😢

[@keanudarkly9497]

Gary groomed Donna when she was 16 and he was 21. Do you condemn the grooming and pedo behavior of Gary Klein? Be morally and logically consistent, if you can manage, lmao

[@EvilOmelette]

​@@JoseGarcia-jl2zqthey said it's coming back soon

[@dasrael]

The best kind of content court!

[@feetfingers5392]

I find it cute that Ethan calls Hila mom after hearing him call her dude the entire time

[@Cashhhhew]

Idk why that made me crack tf up

[@ChickenNugNugz2]

Probably not the only thing Ethan has in common with Mike Pence, if nothing else this past week has shown us Ethan has a few screws missing upstairs

[@FutureFoliageFF]

​@@ChickenNugNugz2I'm sorry you were an orphan

[@spilledsalt]

⁠​⁠@@ChickenNugNugz2make you sure you don’t get too close to that dog in your pfp. I want him to be safe.

[@SapphireCasburn]

3:37:20 “6 heads tall” is a common art technique to draw in proportions of a shorter fictional character (I prefer to draw 6 1/2). The general standard for adults is 8, and 10 for model height characters. This varies by art style, but it’s literally a general art technique that many artists use and are taught in school. It’s not some secret term for age, but age does play into drawing the correct proportions of a character.

[@Azdroc96]

Exactly. I've been saying the same thing and no one seems to understand it.

[@corntastrophy]

cartoon designs generally have bigger heads

[@SapphireCasburn]

@@corntastrophy Cartoon designs vary widely in style. Also the art style we're discussing here is anime, and specifically with children their heads are drawn bigger than the body, while adults are drawn a bit smaller and more proportional.

[@illyaeater]

I draw mine 5 heads including the actual head. Looks aesthetically pleasing to me 4shrug

[@shizzy8250]

Ethan in the horse outfit immediately cracked me up lmao. When he wants drama he WANTS drama 😂.

[@__ren]

when he gently clapped his hooves lmao

[@jlllx]

aren't they against bullying?

[@boanless]

He knows he got caught. He’s just gaslighting everybody. He’s doesn’t want to watch the podcast because he knows they pulled every receipt and he has no defence.

[@ThroatGoatNancy]

Yep spot on.

[@lhays117]

Yeah his defence for not watching it was utterly pathetic in his most recent stream. He claimed Ethan had a mental breakdown while raging about him, when in actuality Vaush had a mental breakdown from getting so relentlessly roasted by Ethan and the crew and is in full denial of that fact.

[@annaa_louiise]

100%

[@bas_ee]

@@lhays117 kind of hilarious to see him like this. Disgustng peddo vaush

[@yert5035]

vaush has covered all the clips on his stream.... he doesn't watch the podcast because its depressing that ethan would be so blatantly evil. tell me why didn't Ethan have a clip that was longer than a minute? he showed several clips all about 30 seconds long........ all of which cut out context. why not just cover one full clip? the reason is that Ethan is gish galloping a bunch of out of context clips so that its harder to defend. if Ethan was correct why diminish his point by acting so disingenuously? couldn't the point stand on its own without the ad homs? if you actually look at the contents of the folder there was no loli. people just want to hate him because he destroyed some point they hold.

[@Mezzy..]

this really is the best podcast in the world. Imagine being the person trolled on by ethan here; people have just discovered your goon folder of horses, and this dude brings out hay and props and is in a horse costume as he brings upon your downfall. Absolutely brutal

[@travis590]

He is all four Horsemen.

[@32kuba32]

@@travis590hahahaah

[@kennyjohnson8055]

He's been open about the horse shit for years its just being amplified by H3, this was already public knowledge. The loli tho? Yeah, fucking insane

[@ff-qf1th]

I love leftist infighting

[@Gobbldeegoo1]

Drama baiting is the best kind of podcast? Ight. Speaks volumes about your character.

[@rebeccahill2575]

The fact that he was calling himself out while you guys were just sitting back eating Taco Bell is so funny, I love you guys!!

[@dhillonroy]

Vaush treats life like high school debate club. I don’t know much, but defending CP is one of the few issues I can say, with COMPLETE confidence, is fucked up based on nothing but gut instinct. You’re not wriggling your way out of this one on a technicality.

[@Hedning1390]

Wouldn't it be better to let him wiggle out than to press him to defend it? If he says it is out of context and that he doesn't defend it, why would you say that he is?

[@dhillonroy]

I think Vaush defends the consumption of CP because of the multiple clips of him literally defending the consumption of CP. And it’s still fucked even in the new context he presented. He can make whatever arguments he wants, we’ve all seen the pics in his goon folder. You can’t rationalize your way out of pedo allegations you have loli on your computer. I wouldn’t press him to defend it because it’s indefensible to anyone who doesn’t jerk it to children @@Hedning1390

[@Luckyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy]

@@Hedning1390 Because we saw the context and he *is* defending it. lol

[@dhillonroy]

I think he defends the consumption of cp because of the numerous clips of him literally defending the consumption of cp. And it’s still fucked up even with the updated context. We all saw the pics in his goon folder. You can’t rationalize your way out of pedo allegations when you have loli on your computer. I wouldn’t press him to defend it because it is indefensible to anyone who doesn’t jerk it to children. @@Hedning1390

[@Hedning1390]

@@Luckyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy I don't think you understand what I said. Let me rephrase. When people say it is "out of context" the message is that they don't want to defend it. Why then would you push them to continue defending it rather than just accepting their excuse even if it is a bad excuse?

[@prestonwolterman656]

The fact this dude thinks they are talking about him to boost views💀💀I had no idea who tf this dude was until Friday and it was hard to even get through this show cus of the topic so yeah bro definitely people are flocking to the stream to listen to you defend CP💀💀

[@lukaszzylik4437]

You really didn't know who Vaush was? That's wild. Of course I'm terminally online so that's a me problem. But yeah he is a pretty massive leftist political streamer.

[@AdamtheHassler]

I think he's saying that because other leftist KZbinrs do it for boost their views I don't think the 3 million sub channel with a consistently strong viewership needs to clickbait Vaush of all people to boost the channel though somehow

[@celestial5236]

​@@lukaszzylik4437Now he's just known as the streamer who enjoys horses and loli.

[@PinkDesertEagle]

I literally had to look him up on Friday

[@IDK-xe6yg]

@@lukaszzylik4437I’m a big hasan and Ethan fan and I have never heard of that man in my life

[@user-ti2wg8pv3i]

His whole defense of child s-xual abuse material is worthless. Consuming it, downloading it, sharing it and so-on is an act of re-traumatization for the child. Knowing ones sexual abuse is being consumed by others is an additional harm caused. The notion that harm ends at production is a cope for the swine who consume that stuff.

[@lexilang5011]

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[@dauntlesstark9850]

vaush would agree, that was not the argument he was making in reality, he was using a rather bad analogy at the time which was edited and croped together, the fusteration that people have against ethan is that he is watching the ctoped footage and not the original source

[@eclipse3802]

Ethan watched the literal source, multiple of them. Vaush took a contrarian approach to CP. Which is literally the worst approach to take on CP, and he has done this MULTIPLE times. I mean, why would ANYONE argue the ethics of CP?! Just because we may consume byproducts of child-labor does not excuse consuming CP. They're no-where the same. There is no ambiguity about CP. The fact he has chosen to defend his argument, and bring this up repeatedly as if it's a "gotch-a" is horrible. I use to be a Vaush fan, legit. But no longer. I knew of the allegations, however I didn't know they were this serious. @@dauntlesstark9850

[@Blue.velvet.0124]

They are so fucking pathetic ​@ghost420and69

[@user-ti2wg8pv3i]

@dauntlesstark9850 I've seen his explanation in his streams, I was a viewer until he began using child abuse as an edgy way to make a point. Even viewers at the time told him it about re-traumatization and how flimsy his argument was but he continued to peddle it for years after. If he now condemns it that's great. That being said he still found drawings of child s-xual abuse and beastiality appealing enough to download and that for me as a victim of the CSAM industry is enough to make me see his past arguments in a very different light. His vested interest in making that point sits very different now knowing he enjoys those depictions of CSA.

[@catherinehughes2022]

even if vaush wants to claim he isnt into pedophilia at the VERY least he has an extremely odd fixation on thinking about it

[@lokimiguel2452]

No he doesn't clown

[@Binstabih]

@@lokimiguel2452i hope you’ve grown since this comment, and i hope you’re not a pdf file but we can’t always win sadly

[@Mavuika_Gyaru]

​@@lokimiguel2452 vaush is pro cp

[@lokimiguel2452]

@@Mavuika_Gyaru no he isn't

[@lokimiguel2452]

@@Mavuika_Gyaru so you are pro cp

[@strikeiksp6629]

"i felt like i was being gaslight by a bunch of pedos" is exactly how i feel after looking at nonstop defense of this wheres my fellow past midnight watchers

[@smelly42]

that quote is basically dealing with internet drama in general. Its always the ones with mud in the closet slinging it...

[@liesbeneathoureyes]

It’s 12.11am here in NZ ✨

[@natalieh9300]

4:30AM viewerss

[@angelahuff2518]

Yes, I was just about to comment this. Reading the messages addressed to Ethan that he was sharing on his social media was so disturbing; people are just straight up defending CP and pretending like they're standing on some moral high ground. I'm glad Ethan doesn't back down from calling these freaks out.

[@GuyPerson-jt9tv]

But you still eat chocolate, right? Check mate 😎

[@nrivera0717]

Defending drawn cp, lollipop, or animal corn is the biggest self report of all time lmaoo

[@Gandingas]

Literally!

[@abigails4139]

It really is.. When you have a folder of drawn out cartoons that look 12 it is VERY concerning... If the shoe fits.

[@rachelrazz90]

I wouldn't be surprised if the FBI wants to take a look.

[@Pokepoketpoke]

He didn't defend it at all Grow a spine and think for yourself

[@morten8028]

wonder how many folks downloaded these images and looked at them, basically doing the same thing as vaush....

[@HunniebeeGames]

thank you Hila and Ethan for not backing down on this topic!!!

[@OscarLangleySoryu]

It's worrying how many people cannot detect predators when they turn on neon signs pointing to themselves.

[@ElChuntyCabra]

Well, that's what liberals and leftists are best at; camouflaging their true intentions by hiding behind a "noble" intention

[@thephilguy1]

Howie: Show me child p- Vaush: *opens up Taxes 2014 folder*

[@iwantascreenameplz]

Yoooo 😂😂😂😂😂

[@Sammy_Chouchou]

Except he's making up like 95% of everything being said lmao. All you need is 3 brain cells, eyes and ears to listen to anything Vaush has said, and to see how insanely dishonestly portrayed it is from Ethan. I'm no big city lawyer, but I'd say he'd get fucked in a law suit, especially after claiming Vaush said that child-adult sexual relationships are positive for the kid

[@TROBassGuitar]

Lmao just straight up lying

[@Deckname7]

we love lies, don't we?

[@iwantascreenameplz]

I hope Vaush sues Ethan for defamation, so Ethan can win the lawsuit and Vaush and his Lollipops can stfu about the nonexistent "lies" LOL

[@ee5647]

“It’s out of context” when the context literally makes it worse lol

[@cassbaker03]

Exactly and honestly it doesn’t matter the context, the things he’s saying are disgusting no matter what.

[@RealFemale69]

​@@cassbaker03saying child slavery is as bad as CP is disgusting? I think that says more about you than anything

[@travis590]

'Get the context! 😭' *Sifts through context. Finds more damning evidence.* 'Not like that! 😡'

[@32kuba32]

@@RealFemale69comparing cp, where the product is literally the abuse itself, to child slavery which is a byproduct of capitalist exploitation of developing countries is a dumb take, yes. both are apprehensible. just one is a byproduct while the other is the product itself.

[@cassbaker03]

@@RealFemale69 No, I’m saying that saying CP is okay AT ALL is disgusting.

[@laurenabbott7456]

I feel like Keffals just completely inserted herself into the situation. It wasn't even her drama. If there were anti-trans arguments floating around then I understand why she might say something but she just honed in on Ethan who never made any trans related statements. I don't understand how she thought it would be beneficial to say all those things.

[@nursultantulyakbaycats]

Just cloutsharking

[@GuyPerson-jt9tv]

She also attacks Hasan all the time for no good reason and calls him transphobic, which is insane.

[@dauntlesstark9850]

it is her drama, isnt vash a close personal friend? if she wants to stand up for a friend, then it is about her

[@kokoroo487]

@@dauntlesstark9850No? Just because a friend of yours gets into drama doesn’t mean that drama is about you. If she wants to defend him that’s fine but this isn’t about her

[@dauntlesstark9850]

@kokoroo487 if you want to defend a friend, then by proxy it's about you, thus is double if it's the Internet

[@J_west30]

Vaush’s response is peak tone policing. “You didn’t react in a very specific way that makes sense to me personally, so your arguments and integrity are worthless.” You’d think a debater like him could clock his own strung-out fallacy, but he’s letting his defensive feelings blind him.

[@giacintaah]

This is how narcissists speak when their mask slips

[@cool_sword]

Vaush isn't a great debater because he's super informed and logical. He's good at debate because he's good at rhetoric. He's fantastic at sounding right, not making the best arguments. Debate is the art of convincing not proving. I think a huge problem with "non-fiction content" for lack of a better word is that it can succeed by presenting a convincing aesthetic to an uninformed audience, but Vaush is basically this at its peak. I think young leftists are particularly vulnerable to this - part of being a cool leftist is being well read and contrarian, but young people do not read, so the appeal of bootstrapping your way to intellectualism by consuming content is strong. The short version is that Vaush is intelligent in exactly the way that would allow him to realize when to cut his losses and play fast and loose with logic to save face with the dumber or more dogmatic parts of his audience.

[@peachy_lili]

that's why so many people in these comments are defending him calmly and taking every mean comment personally. they truly believe he's right because he makes sure he sounds right. entirely vibes-based philosophy @@cool_sword

[@jello1743]

he called the arguments worthless because its old drama hes addressed already.

[@naoway336]

@@peachy_lili I mean considering he disavowed his stance previous Vaush made means nothing right?

[@yaint77]

1:58:11 “So many people warned me he was a snake. Bro, so many people warned me you were a pedo.” 😂😂😂

[@abigailbustos1231]

I just don't understand why this is even a discussion? I thought we all as a collective human race decided sexualizing children, weather drawn or real, is horrible? Why are people sticking up for this guy? Even if he was just debating the ethics of it, why? Why are we doing that? Why isn't everyone just saying, "bro that's fucking disgusting and creepy regardless of if they are real kids or not" and leaving it at that and not following a person who watches CP? Wtf is going on?

[@SB-eh5gd]

I agree it’s honestly mind blowing

[@Peace.Beyond.All.Understanding]

It’s a tactic narcissists use to distract. They create all these extra complex arguments to avoid addressing the simple fact that they have CP on their computer

[@Craco186]

Because they're all pdf files as well

[@ergot1803]

The whole human race doesn't agree. The West may internally agree, but, for example, child marriage is widely acceptable in Muslim culture.

[@ergot1803]

@@Peace.Beyond.All.Understanding This has nothing to do with narcissism Mr. Internet Armchair Psychologist.

[@marinasaurus]

Has not a single person provided Ethan with the supposed "context" that they're saying he didn't see? Because that would be a great step forward rather than just claiming it's out of context with no receipts.

[@lucyjane3803]

I think the "context" that is supposed to magically make it all go away is that these are "political hypotheticals" or "moral/philosophical debates". I think he lost the right to argue that when he was found with a folder full of illustrations of CSA.

[@GuyPerson-jt9tv]

They're just coping. They can't accept the fact that their favorite streamer is a creep.

[@Cawd217]

@@GuyPerson-jt9tvYou hit the nail on the head.

[@Hedning1390]

When he is comparing csa to slavery the context is two things that are bad, not two things that are good.

[@32kuba32]

@@lucyjane3803exactly

[@zaraamir9165]

One of the problems with Vaush's argument is that it basically chalks everything up to the financial aspect of it, without even considering the trauma a child goes through, and how much that can be amplified the more people see that trauma for their own pleasure. It's cute to be a leftist and also treat people as nothing more than simple commodities.

[@OscarLangleySoryu]

He seems to be against the SA of adults but not the SA of children which is deeply disturbing.

[@AdamWeisshaupt]

The funny thing is he complains about mischaracterizations. But that is allowed in his world, because making character assassinations is not as bad as child labor so you have to allow that, too.

[@carleesings6942]

Ethan saying “what” to him in the dm was soooo funny😅😅

[@xXxakurokuxXx123]

Lmao honestly I would do same though “WHAT?!”

[@zbcupcake]

Omg is there a time stamp?

[@kathrynwhitbeck9798]

Time stamp

[@mockingbird4346]

For context, "pedojacket" is a term for an attack on someone's character falsely accusing them of being a pedophile and originated from lgbt activists being accused of being pedophiles in an effort to combat gay rights. CSAM (Child Sexual Abuse Material) is a term used by experts because it more accurately depicts what it is and the harm it causes. I saw a lot of people in live chat questioning those terms so I wanted to clarify what they mean.

[@genericname8727]

Yeah, ironically Vaush acting like Ethan was criticising his creepy community for having trans people in it was him trying to do pedojacketing if anything. He was trying to deflect an accusation based on his own actions by instead throwing trans people under the bus. I don’t understand how people still support him

[@marinasaurus]

I'm so confused how everyone else leaped to b mean Ethan was talking about the trans community?? Is vaush trans? Bc why would that even be brought up??

[@genericname8727]

@@marinasaurus Vaush has a high percentage of trans women in his community apparently, but most leftist streamers do. As Ethan pointed out, it also applies to the H3 community. It’s also true of Hasan, Non-Compete, Shaun_Vids, Hbomberguy, and even the communities of pro-trans leftist creators who make mostly apolitical content like Drawfee. Trans people gravitate toward communities they feel safer in, so communities that are explicitly pro-trans, and they’re also more likely to participate in online communities since it’s often safer. Vaush is just using his higher than average percentage of trans viewers as a shield. He is not transgender himself.

[@Rookiria]

@@genericname8727 frrr the way he was like oh well maybe they're calling my chat pedos because a lot of them are trans is so dirty! Like no dude it's because they're actively defending child abuse just like you are! He cultivated a trans community just to weaponize them by pedojacketing them himself cause well obviously people think my chat is full of pedos because they're trans

[@r.i.pmydog7723]

@@genericname8727 if people feel comfortable in Vaush community they probably are pedos

[@livingreflection5]

The FBI really needs to investigate this creep and probably many of his subscribers. This is sick.

[@gloria1736]

Immediately!!!

[@MissingAGear]

FBI has an anonymous tip form you can find online

[@mitzara25]

Second this!!!

[@itskokosworld]

I’m honestly linking this video to them!!! Because they need to check that computer!!!

[@marluccio]

@@secai_i loli and related materials are now considered under the umbrella of CSAM as of 2022

[@katievarnum]

I reported him to the FBI; if that’s what was accidentally seen and the way he has been openly pro child porn possession and consumption, imagine what was t seen.

[@halodeer]

Vaush: “you’re taking me out of context 111!” Also Vaush: doesn’t watch a minute of Fridays ep and refuses to do so but still talks about it confidently

[@savannahl4581]

Exactly

[@bobynoname8194]

also dont go look at those pictures in question just you know....trust me bro

[@Darkchipper07]

I watched the show and yeah they took him out of context and didn't understand the freaking points he was making. "Exploiting children in any way is bad except y'all don't care when it's child slave labor."

[@RubALamp]

@@Darkchipper07get it into your head. They understand his point, they disagree with his premise. You know that you can understand something and still disagree with it, right?

[@slaughterbottle69]

I don't think he has any obligation to watch it because he would be upset by it and that's fair, and if you really understand the explanations Vaush gives them there's really not squat to respond to after watching, all he could do is point out Ethan and crew's bad rhetoric (i wish he would but again, not obligated).

[@cowboykxm]

People referring to the same one clip of Vaush making the comparison clearly didn't watch because it's not just one clip. H3 showed at least 15 different clips of different streams and debates as well as multiple group chats spanning over multiple years. So go ahead and get to defending each and every one of them! Go for it

[@__ren]

their logic is if you watched the context you would agree but since you watched it and still don't agree.. well that's just unimaginable to them so that's why they keep throwing out the autopilot responses. which is really funny since they didn't even try to watch the full segments of AD and H3TV.

[@Hedning1390]

Ok, lets look at the one where he complains that there's too much sexualization of young girls and that "teen" is one of the biggest categories on p-sites and saying that more mature women should be the ideal. Ethan turns that into him normalizing cp. Or how about the time where he is saying that people who are into loli are "sus" and also attracted to real children and that that is super bad. Basically a calling out and denouncing people who look at loli. He is debating against an actual pedo and debunking all the pedo talking points. Ethan uses that to say that he is a pedo. Showing lots of clips and telling us what they mean instead of listening to what is actually being said does not make your case stronger.

[@strangefactsandhistory]

@@Hedning1390he literally has loli being fucked by horses on his computer and makes arguments about why CP isn’t bad more than once while talking to a live audience. My brother in Christ what are you on about

[@Hedning1390]

@ghost420and69 No, when he calls loli disgusting that does not mean he is into it. If you ask him now he would say he is not into it. In any case it is very dishonest to use a video where he is debating against it as one of 15+ clips where he supports it. Literally the opposite.

[@Hedning1390]

@ghost420and69 Which image or images do you consider to be loli? Name the file names, because I have seen all of them and they are no more loli looking than belle delphine.

[@gintiiriuke]

I’ve yet to see a person not into loli defend it, that’s all I am going to say

[@salpon]

I'll defend drawn porn all day long and I'm not into it in the slightest. There is no victim in it.

[@mitzara25]

I like how no one is replying to you and defending him😂😂

[@jentezijlstra]

Enough said

[@pugness]

Better check the supreme courts computers 😂

[@aquidillion]

But Vaush hates loli porn though, he thinks its weird and pedobait?

[@megarat1777]

Coming back to this after a rollercoaster-like period of developing as a person and therefore no longer believing anything vaush says, i am now quite firmly in the ”this is crazy and sus” camp. Genuinely feels like i took the dunce cap off and reintegrated into society

[@dronexfun8469]

Vaush needs a $30,000 emergency stop button.

[@leedlliz9847]

Zack has been going absolutely nuts on the sound board these last two eps

[@April_flowers483]

Sound bite king!

[@baconeater4133]

Hay hay hayyyy

[@InkyGhoul]

Oh! Ooooh boy Tacoma wept

[@weeddemon97]

I’ve been yearning for TALK ABOUT THE ALLEGATIONS

[@whoops8412]

Oh man I was waiting for that sound byte all episode!

[@an0nsta1k3r]

Vaush has never really apologized for anything or paid any penance. I hope you guys talk about Poppy, the autistic teenage girl he sexually harassed from Destiny’s community. He just goes “I’ve served my time! Stop bringing it up!” but he never really changes.

[@alexbennet4195]

@@uninstaller2860ofc not lol

[@headerahelix]

Idk who this Keffals person is but it's pretty funny to insert yourself into a situation that wasn't about you then feel victimised by it

[@breadsdead]

She annoyed me so bad for this. She made herself look so stupid and weird

[@dauntlesstark9850]

ethan saying he has no idea who she is, is sus since allegedly ethan gave keffels his number cuz keffles was going through a tough time, you dont know who this person is, so its probably not the best to immediately shit on somesome and something you dont know the reason nor context for

[@havenprice]

​@dauntlesstark9850 sounds like ethan helps a lot of smaller creators on the platform. His memory is pretty shit so not actually surprising if he genuinely forgot. Also what does he have to get out of lying? Remembering would make him look better.

[@will1289]

Kiwi farms still winning lol

[@justliving920]

​@breadsdead Hes always done this. Why are you guys surprised.

[@PoliteBogWitch]

Ethan saying Aidan and Tom Brady look like a different race of man PLEASE 😭

[@Luckyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy]

All of his arguments are things my ex said when he got caught with multiple TBs of actual CP on his computer btw. lol.

[@cassbaker03]

He definitely has some on his, not just the drawings. No one would even think to make the arguments that he’s making unless they were trying to justify something about themselves. Disgusting. And i’m sorry you had to date someone like that

[@Luckyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy]

@@cassbaker03 Thank you family 🙏💗

[@elenasola5220]

sorry you had to date a weirdo like that

[@Lindsey_Lockwood]

Is he a vaush fan? antifa?

[@AnthonySopran0]

What was the name?

[@Isaac-ul8yz]

i feel like people are missing the point that new information completely changes the context.

[@OscarLangleySoryu]

Right... I used to be a fan but then I saw a clip of him outright saying "it is not immoral to own CP" and then I didn't like him anymore. Should be pretty simple for normal people to grasp.

[@gg1648]

Relay the context to me. I have almost no time in the day to look up his excus...I mean reasons.

[@OscarLangleySoryu]

@@gg1648 He said it isn't immoral to buy or own CP. What else do you want.

[@wallacerg9udcbldmvuihroaw511]

@@OscarLangleySoryu"What else do you want" Context? That is what they asked for. Anyway, because you didn't seem to want to, I did it myself. This comment came from when Vaush was arguing with his comment section on stream. After watching the video, I came to the conclusion that you misquoted him. Vaush said "In fact, and this is gonna be a real hot take, I have yet to hear a convincing moral or legal argument as to why possession of child pornography should be illegal. We do not, in this country, typically criminalize people who have procured media or resources which were the product of abuse. It is not illegal to own necklaces that have slave diamonds or whatever, what are they called? Blood diamonds? Yeah, all of our clothes produced by sweatshops, our computers the silicon and lithium mined from literal fucking slaves in our society we have already deemed that people are not responsible for the mechanisms by which they media they consume and the content they engage with are produced. You like that argument? Ooh, you like that? You like that moral culpability, you're all worse than fucking cp owners and I am too. Do you like that? No ethical consumption under capitalism. Shit sucks, right? But if we accept that argument for slave labor, then we definitely have to accept it for child pornography." Tldr; his comment wasn't pro cp, he was arguing it was hypocritical to condemn one form of child abuse while ignoring another.

[@OscarLangleySoryu]

@@wallacerg9udcbldmvuihroaw511 no, it didn't. He was on the Dusty Smith Show and what I said he said is the entire context. They were having a conversation and Vaush outright stated that. You've only watched the clips he curated for his audience to see. Which isn't the best way to find the damning ones which I'd expect people who enjoy debates and logic to grasp.

[@Delbzy]

Ethan in goblin mode is something to be feared

[@Adonzin]

Ethan should watch out, vaush loves goblins.

[@sarahschouveller1993]

​@@Adonzin He might be safe, he's not a short stack 🤣🤣🤣

[@ardon3499]

@@sarahschouveller1993 More of a dwarf build really....

[@zoo3708]

im now picturing short stack version of ethan with green skin

[@dieauferstehung]

Ethan showed his true colors, neo liberal right wing pro zio

[@thatgirl8036]

his comparison of child corn to slave labor only makes sense if you as a person go to buy blood diamonds, even though a store selling ethical diamonds is right next to it. because normal, adult, consenting corn is even more easily accessible

[@TROBassGuitar]

It makes sense if you're not completely brain dead or being purposely stupid. Literally "all child exploitation is bad" And y'all dumbasses cry about it

[@whoops8412]

Yeah and it’s weird because his position is “society should be mad at unethically sourced material” but then defends the purchasing of that material which confuses me. Usually people who are upset that society sells unethically sourced material, go out of there way to promote alternative ethically sourced materials. So Vaush should be promoting p.hub or OF that has ethically sourced corn from consenting adults not bragging about his computer being unethically sourced cobalt there for all unethical materials are totally fine to be consumed

[@larissabrglum3856]

​@@whoops8412Exactly. I don't see Vaush trying to buy exclusively fair trade, so what does this equivalency he's drawing say about him?

[@Nicole-kd1nl]

I’ve literally never seen as many Toyota Tacomas in life as I have this past weekend.

[@patrickc7016]

Vacationing in Hawaii?

[@elenasola5220]

i was a casual viewer of vaush in 2019, and one day as i was eating lunch and listening to his stream i heard him casually admit to sexually harassing poppy like it was nothing. i never watched him again after that lol.

[@ughIrats]

Who is poppy?

[@Madness200]

​@@ughIrats3:52:38

[@R_S747]

​​@@ughIratsa girl who repeatedly rejected him after he continuously tried to send her dick pics and "seduce" her, when she blocked him he harassed her for months in other discord groups, threatened to @n@lly r@p3 her (knowing she had been a victim of this before), once she came out about his abuse he got his girlfriend and fanbase to repeatedly harass her then spread lies calling her a liar, a despicable person, said she didn't deserve human rights and doxxed her under the guise that she's a bigot (she isn't)

[@OscarLangleySoryu]

@@ughIrats a woman

[@osgowen]

Not even 45 minutes after the show ends Vaush does a “H3 after party pt 2” and within minutes admits to once again not watching the pod. And yet Ethan is the one in it for the money? Vaush is such a coward

[@havenprice]

And yet ethan is the one responding without context. Zzz

[@TheDiabeticGameMaster]

how would you like to watch a whole afternoons worth of people you thought you could trust and who you respected from afar mercilessly shitting on you and baselessly accusing you of the worst crimes humanely possible? I can barely watch this and I'm not even the person about. It's just not funny. It's sick.

[@thugnarsty]

Nah big l comment dude. Ethan fucked up on this. And on the last debate with Hasan. Lots of L's

[@clavpd2001]

You are a literal robot repeating without using reasoning. Ethan is watching all the videos and reading all of the context and even trying to be generous at first. Meanwhile this other weirdo hasn’t even watched the pod and is just assuming from what other people have said. None of his “arguments” are real if he doesn’t even know what he’s arguing against. Y’all accuse ethan of lying… OKAY tell us exaclty what he’s lying about. You keep it vague and continue with this childish rethoric because if you actually took the time and looked at the stuff, we’ll there’s no argument to be made. This is not Ethan’s opinion. There’s evidence that this man had drawings animal corn x cp saved. I really hope you sick help bc defending this weirdo is going to rot your brain.

[@clavpd2001]

Baby there’s evidence. You are sick for defending. You should take time to see and listen to all of the context, including what the f was in that folder. If you continue to defend it, you are an accomplice in consumption of cp. maybe if he doesn’t want to be accused of disgusting things, he should stop doing them and also stop trying to promote them and normalize them.

[@WforWrath]

Fundamental fallacy here. It’s a whataboutism. “What about cobalt? That’s bad too” The move here should be: “yes cp is bad and people should be held accountable, it should be illegal” Period. If he wants to go on about unethical cobalt, etc he should do so. But what he does when confronted about cp is say “well what about cobalt, etc” And even worse “cp should be legal because cobalt is legal” Why doesn’t he say “they should both be illegal, I’m glad cp is illegal, let’s work on making unethical cobalt illegal” If you listen closely he never says that. He calls everyone hypocrites for buying phones. Meaning “if I’m guilty for cp,then you’re guilty for cobalt” He’s running defense for CP (Edit: apparently the formal name for whataboutism is tu quoque) (Another edit: I swear I’m not a debate lord for knowing exactly what fallacy he’s using. I just want everyone to know exactly what fallacy he’s using!)

[@WforWrath]

@@wollny92 link me the video I guess, i didn’t think there was a need to watch more than what is shown here. It’s pretty obvious to me because it’s not one video where he makes this argument. It’s several times as shown here in this and Friday’s h3 podcast.

[@daltongarrett3393]

@@WforWrathmost of the stuff people bring up about him is addressed in a video called “addressing the allegations”

[@WforWrath]

@@daltongarrett3393 ok ima watch it tomorrow but in each of these clips the “whataboutism” fallacy exists regardless of what he says in other videos. If he says “I didn’t mean it like that” - it doesn’t remove the fallacy in the original clip

[@daltongarrett3393]

@@WforWrath in this specific instance, in the full segment he does exactly what you suggest he should have done, make the argument that child exploitation in the form of child labor should be condemned the same way that it is in the production and consumption of CSAM, not that CSAM should be allowed because child labor exploitation is. I encourage you to watch the original video the clip is from. Another instance would be the “beneficial relationship between an adult and a child” bit. In that full segment he’s arguing *against* an actual PDF file and saying that even if in some individual hypothetical situation that relationship was beneficial, we should still have laws against it because in the majority, if not entirety of situations in real life, that sort of relationship would be incredibly harmful. I encourage you to watch that full segment, as well as the full, original context of any clip that’s being used as a basis for allegations against him. I’ve been watching his content since he had less than 30k subscribers, I’ve watched these controversies firsthand from their inception, and I think that with a genuine understanding of them, about the worst thing you can accuse him of is occasionally arguing poorly for good things.

[@WforWrath]

@@daltongarrett3393 ya I’ll watch it for sure

[@rainsmith331]

I wonder how Xanderhal, one of Vaush's close friends - who has spent years condemning lolicon and bashing loli's on twitter - is going to find a way to defend him.

[@zenster1097]

The wannabe Eminem?

[@StriderAngel496]

usually the ones that go so hard against something are just trying to push it down in themselves because of the guilt they feel and self hatred that comes from them liking the thing. just like closeted homosexuals that just HATE GAYS publicly but they just project onto others the shame they feel for themselves :). That being said, THIS PED SHIT IS MAKING ME SO MAD, ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE SO UTTERLY HORRIBLE AND DEMONIC THAT EVERY BREATH THEY TAKE ON THIS EARTH IS JUST A PURE AND UNADULTERATED INSULT TO ALL LIVING BEINGS AROUND THEIR SICK SICK HOLLOW SHELL OF A PATHETIC EXISTENCE!!!!!!!

[@largeboinuggets]

Could never get his beef about Hasan either, recently its just been "hes hurting biden hes gonna make trump win!" or "hes a terrorist sympathizer for interviewing a person in a pivotal moment in history"

[@greysnake2903]

​@@zenster1097 He raps?

[@zenster1097]

@@greysnake2903 No. He just had that typical horrible piss stained yellow hair offset by his brown eyebrows at one point

[@alli0oops]

Another reason why CP is unethical is because having sexual relations as a young girl will sometimes change their physiology. In The Body Keeps the Score it outlines how it causes girls to go through puberty earlier, results in issues with hormonal imbalances, isolates them socially, and often results in learning disorders. Even if a child could consent, it's not healthy for their physiology and can have lifelong implications.

[@bridi0821]

And you can say the exact same thing for the rigorous child labor used to create products like chocolate, diamonds, and computers. That’s why Vaush’s whole point is that both are bad.

[@jivet3919]

@@bridi0821 I don't think some of these people want to admit that.

[@carnationfulcamera]

​@jivet3919 admit what? That both are bad? The problem isnt that that one is worse, is that they aren't comparable. People in the us are largely having the slave labor going into our products hidden from us. He want a computer for our job, a chocolate to snack on, clothes to wear for a nice event etc. Cp on the other hand, the pain and suffering of the child(ren) is the product in of it self. Someone who has a shirt that was made from child labor but very likely doesn't know that or doesn't know how bad the conditions are because the slavery is not the product they are buying and cp which people buy to see that suffering. That suffering is only happening because people enjoy it

[@illyaeater]

You know this how?

[@felis00]

@@illyaeater somehow i am not surprised in the least that you'd ask this

[@lovethatforyou533]

Who the hell even talks about CP that much? 🚩🚩🚩🚩

[@Cussy69_420]

Voosh apparently...😅

[@uninstaller2860]

Destiny

[@maawous]

SHOW US--

[@laurenabbott7456]

Exactly, like just say you're a pervert and move on 🤢 (By move on I mean go to jail immediately)

[@aquidillion]

He doesnt even want to talk about it, its just people bringing it up so he has to talk about it. And now because of Ethan he has to do it even more. FFS people like Ethan js why he talks about CP all the time

[@MrMyers758]

Him saying he doesn’t think purchasers should be prosecuted because it would be hypocritical or morally inconsistent is utterly fucked up. Even if you accept that it is hypocritical or morally inconsistent, surely the choice is to support the proposition that they should be prosecuted but to also push forward the notion that equivalents should be also. Animals are psychologically and physically tortured by industrial farming and it is perfectly legal, and so yes it is hypocritical and morally inconsistent to have it illegal for someone to torture a dog. However, the response to that is “lets stop the torture in the farms and make ourselves morally consistent, and while we are working on that, lets keep it illegal to torture dogs to keep them protected”, rather than “lets stop the torture in farms and make ourselves morally consistent, and so to avoid being hypocrites, until we have achieved that we should allow dogs to be tortured”. The only way I can see him coming away with this take is if he is looking at the situation from the perspective of how unfair it is to the prosecuted, rather than looking at it from the perspective of how to reduce suffering and protect victims. This should be very sus in and of itself.

[@Luckyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy]

Exactlyyyyyy!!! As if it's better to be consistently unethical than to just try to be ethical whenever we can. His argument sounds like "I own a cell phone, might as well go all the way and buy CP!" like what?

[@largeboinuggets]

And even then, look at when Dennis Prager tried to make an argument like that. "Drawn CP = No victim = No harm" is also not a good hill to die on either.

[@hypramgeth7449]

That is an interesting criticism of the 'principles before laws' theme which is popular among lefties including myself. Thank you. I will think about it.

[@OscarLangleySoryu]

This is _precisely_ "it". He's saying let's not bother making torture illegal when some children are tortured anyways. And I cannot think of any reason to make that argument except if one wants to watch CP without consequences.

[@OscarLangleySoryu]

@@hypramgeth7449 .................wut

[@shoobiedoobie123]

Ethan, Can I just say, sometimes you say some things that are little off for sure, but I never stop supporting you because you are just a human who is willingly putting yourself out there for too many hours a week to entertain us. I know that if I were projecting myself online for so many hours each week I would say something wrong as well because I am also human, learning as I go. I have unwavering support for you because I understand and trust that to your core, you are an courageous person, who thinks critically about what your putting out, and you never hesitate to apologize when you’re wrong. Vaush and his supporters are so unbearably wrong in their arguments here. It’s amazing to me how folks can be so quick to abandon you due to allegiance to other creators. Please y’all, just be a normal fucking person who isn’t so terminally online that you can’t understand a difference of opinion and just let it be. The online rage amassed toward any little difference of opinion is quite frankly so cringey and dramatic it embarrasses me for you. Ethan you’ve got a longterm fan here who does not see any minute disagreement as a means to stop supporting you. Peace and love!

[@wrhnews5369]

I can’t believe Vaush is being saddled with allegations. This could hurt, neigh, end his political career

[@cocoisnuts4711]

The fact that this is even an argument is insane.

[@Hedning1390]

It's not an argument though. No one is defending lolipop.

[@Luckyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy]

His entire argument is "there is no ethical consumption under capitalism, therefore CP is fine" like hello???????

[@JustAReminder]

we all need to uncuck our Lib ears to witness ideological purity’s final move! “Checkmate, Capitalists” *music plays, everyone claps*

[@bigdadybojangls9219]

No ethical consumption under capitalism? WELCOME TO THE FUCKIN PURGE

[@hichaelhyers]

No, his argument was: child exploitation and labor is extremely harmful for children, but it is, as a part of the capitalist mode of production, normalized in our society and thus many people defend processes, the gravity of which they are currently not aware of. So he evokes CP as a way of appealing to the universal understanding of how bad it is, while pointing at something that is harmful to children as well, but where a lot of people (defenders of capitalism) act as if it were justifiable.

[@Luckyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy]

@@hichaelhyers I could maybe believe that if 1. his folder hadn't leaked 2. by his own admission, being into loli means being into children, but also it's fine and he doesn't give a fuck 3. literally said multiple times that there's nothing unethical about possession/consumption of CP, insisting on the fact that he's weighing every single word he uses and that we need to listen to his exact verbiage carefully. He should have said that there's no moral justification for buying electronics or chocolate if that was his point. He prides himself on being a master debater, he deliberately chose his words. But I already know we aren't gonna reach an agreement here so it's pointless to keep talking about it.

[@spritelass6712]

Anyone that puts this much effort into debating how Loli is ethical cp is a predator. He has groomed his audience into backing him up. It's taken a step toward normalizing cp. The word for all of it is immoral.

[@baabaq9126]

Exactly

[@Gobbldeegoo1]

Weird, because I don’t even like Vaush and even I know that he has never argued for “ethical cp”. You’re just pathological and creating information out of thin air to validate yourself and to protect Ethan’s drama farming. It’s a strange behavior that I keep seeing repeated ad nauseam by Ethan’s fan base, and frankly, it’s not a good look. Vaush already didn’t look good to most people, so you’re really not doing anything new slandering him, but seeing Ethan and his fans just lie outright over and over again no matter what is shown to them… that discredits basically anything Ethan or his fans have to say on any issue, because it expresses a certain level of intellectuality being traded for emotional reaction.

[@shadowdragon3521]

@@Gobbldeegoo1 You're wrong. Watch from 2:57:07

[@spritelass6712]

He sure did debate that looking at cp isn't harmful. Watched that full debate than unsubscribed. His claim is that only making the cp is harmful, therefore looking at loli is ok. I could care less what h3h3 has to say about this. @@Gobbldeegoo1

[@sadiedeville6884]

Ethan calling Hila "mom" when referring to Ducky chewing on something, melted my heart so hard. Very sweet. Love them.

[@dillonqaphsiel7977]

Cringe

[@mlptv4u397]

@@dillonqaphsiel7977ur cringe

[@skullpixiedust]

@@dillonqaphsiel7977fellas is it cringe to have a loving relationship with your wife

[@iwantascreenameplz]

​dillon wouldn't know, and probably never will

[@alicetoyou448]

I know! It’s so weird that anyone thinks this is cringe or weird. People stop saying names to their kids. They’re not like “go ask Hila,” it’s “go ask mom” lol

[@meowJACK]

39:23 the jordan peterson "rats will dance for money" killed me lmao wtf

[@rebexyy]

One of my absolute faves. 😂 And almost always makes no sense in any content, just so good.

[@DissedRedEngie]

for all the "context?" y'all Vaush fans keep yapping about. Why does Vaush get away without even watching the accusations? Seems like pretty important context to me if you're going to talk about them.

[@DissedRedEngie]

bonus meme Vaush: watching porn on your phone is psychotic also vaush: *everything leading up to this*

[@DissedRedEngie]

1:55:45 oh no, he wanted to do the thing he did to Noah Samson, where the debate was just Vaush screaming at him not letting Noah talk.

[@uninstaller2860]

​@@DissedRedEngieI have to watch that debate with Noah Samsen

[@DingusMcBrungus]

He doesn't need to watch Ethan's streams because it's the exact same clips that he's gone over in detail multiple times, people have been lobbing them at him for years but it just broke mainstream now with the folder blunder. I'm trying to find a stream he did a year or two ago where he went through all the clips one by one and provided all the actual context, because there is context to all these if not just bad-faith clips The most obvious ones are him trying to use the obviousness for how bad cp is as a comparison for how bad everyone should realize that consuming the goods of exploited child labor is. Like ethan goes through this and sees what he's doing but chastizes him and calls him gross for making a radical comparison like he's a pedo when he's obviously just trying to say exploited child labor is bad

[@acreativename2781]

​​​@@DingusMcBrungusHe has loli p€rn, admitted to jrking off to it ("we all did it at some point") and literally said "it is possible for a child to have a se%ual relationship with an adult and having positive impact" yes, he is a pedo. And ethan already talked about that, someone buying chocolate and someone buying cp are not on the same level.

[@paxtongray3462]

I have talked to Vaush personally, through email. I was a somewhat casual but recent listener- I'd turn on his stuff on my commutes. I had no idea that any of these clips existed or were made. I almost exclusively watched his clips regarding LGBTQ politics in the US because he is one of few large content creators who has covered what is going on in my state (FL) in depth. I lost access to gender affirming healthcare for a while and this is something that has deeply impacted my life, and is something I have shared with him. So the fact that he is trying to paint Ethan as transphobic for saying his audience is pedo-adjacent hurts a lot. He's trying to use our community and our trauma as a rhetorical tactic in a situation that has nothing to do with trans people.

[@yufaeu]

Check Ethan's subreddit sometime. You'll see openly transphobic comments. Ethan himself may not be, but the community is awful.

[@checkoutmyyoutubepage]

@@yufaeuall communities online are awful. It’s not a new thing.

[@scarlett8782]

1000% percent my friend, and I hope that you're very awake to the fact that there are millions of others, including charities, corporations, and politicians looking to do the very same, hoping you'll allow it

[@ripple329]

Legend has it that the missing context was lost in the Titanic and that’s what the Titan submersible was actually trying to recover on their last trip..

[@travis590]

Only James Cameron can get it now, but he's likely to have an AI mess it up before you can see it.

[@KenShackler]

Most of the missing context is shown in Vaush's video called "addressing the allegations". For anyone who is ACTUALLY interested in hearing his point of view.

[@revaeuli5073]

the missing context is that we should be just as horrified by child slavery as we are by child sa. Further context is that Hilas products are manufactured by child slaves, which is why I think Ethan is having such an emotional reaction to the statement "child slavery is bad. people who pay for child slaves are just as bad as pedophiles."

[@yert5035]

Yes there is more context. Watch his videos. He argues against cp. H3 are just tankies and cant argue their points so instead they pedojacket.

[@MC-kl5mp]

@@KenShackler now defend loli porn on his pc and the poppy allegations. I agree. Context could clear up most of what this show was talking about. However, loli is disgusting and what he did to poppy… what the fuck…

[@scrimblo1999]

Ethan's 15% is coming out for AI hot jesus 😭

[@baconeater4133]

🔥🔥🔥

[@joshjohnston2065]

The denial gymnastics Vaush is doing are completely insane.

[@Mr.Coffee576]

Vaush is *galloping* his way around the accusations.

[@joshjohnston2065]

@@Mr.Coffee576 he’s clearly going to ride that train right off the cliff. Ego is a hell of a thing, and his is hitting critical mass.

[@SleazyLeasy]

@@joshjohnston2065Vaush is doing fine. What is he supposed to do? Come on a debate whether or not he is a p**** to a bunch of jeering idiots who don’t want to believe he isn’t?

[@chillout1738]

Cognitive dissonance is very uncomfortable to sit in. He seems to do it alot and thats why his gaslighting attempts are so bad and make no sense. Hes just trying to basically screen smoke everyone, including himself, to not face this accountability for what it truly is.

[@Lorenicities]

The people trying to justify and defend Vaush are doing backflips too🤡

[@donjuan2001]

I have a suspicion that the contents of his ‘taxes’ folder could send him away for life + no chance of parole.

[@1sleepyguy42o]

I was thinking the same exact thing

[@MichBelgik]

same

[@TheWalkingWrinkle]

Hello! My working and academic life have been in criminology/psychology. Victims of CP photos and videos often say they are continuously feeling violated at the thought of someone watching their abuse. It isn't a 'one time thing', it is a continuous degrading feeling BECAUSE of those purchasing/watching it.

[@iwantascreenameplz]

Vaush rebuttal: "but cApiTaLiSm"

[@A2Z83]

He wont outright say it in the clips they showed but vaush clearly doesnt seem to believe its harming victims to share images of them being victimized. Even if its not a chil. Revenge p is also a thing with adults. Thats non consensual violation that harms them as well and we understand that.

[@boomzy9532]

Huh? Wasn't this drawn porn? How is that victimizing anyone?

[@iwantascreenameplz]

@boomzy9532 we're talking about Vaush claiming that owning or even purchasing real CP isn't morally repugnant (which he is shown literally saying in the last half of this video)

[@franjkav]

Good thing one of the biggest podcasters is announcing the existence of such material which no one will go searching for

[@vinnybrich484]

I never would have thought that being against cp would be considered a "hot take"

[@dauntlesstark9850]

its not, the original clip that are out of "contex" are vasuh using a bad analogy using cp as a example, the "out of contex" the people are raving about is that the before and after of these clips intirely change the tone of said clips, ethan dose not show these, thus " out of contex"

[@stanpines9011]

It is when you're on the left

[@bas_ee]

@@dauntlesstark9850 ethan literally did show every original video and stream of the clips. Maybe watch the entire stream, and the previous, so you dont look like an idiiot

[@dauntlesstark9850]

@bas_ee I did, all they did was act confused and talk over him and refused to listen to me explain why he said waht he said

[@gruntpocalypsenow]

@@dauntlesstark9850if you have loli on your computer you are a pedo.

[@chloerowitz7547]

Major kudos to Cam for that absolute BANGER of a thumbnail

[@ianmarshall3310]

No way this doesnt lead to a search warrant

[@TheBiggestMoneyBoy]

Well someone would have to notify the local authorities in vaushes area

[@rekkwaffle7668]

If it was true it would

[@ianmarshall3310]

@@rekkwaffle7668 Vaush admitted to consuming drawn CP, gets caught with it and thousands of people are talking about this. He is at least going to be questioned and hopefully he comes up with more than laughably not even watching Ethan's video because he doesn't want his little feelings hurt for being sexually attracted to children using Vaushes own logic

[@rekkwaffle7668]

@ianmarshall3310 he responded to it... what are you talking about? And he didn't get caught consuming that. Good job. You have no idea what youre talking about.

[@rekkwaffle7668]

@ianmarshall3310 youre just as cringe ad ethan

[@Taylormayde14]

I have been waiting over a decade for someone, ANYONE, to speak about lolicons. My first boyfriend, first love, first everything, became a loli. And when I found out my entire world shattered. He had the same arguments vaush has, but I couldn’t accept that as normal. He was getting off to drawings of infants, saying it’s completely fine because it’s just drawings. I immediately left my ex once I found out. I can’t believe real life human beings dismiss this as just another kink. It’s abhorrent and anyone who enjoys loli corn should be in prison. I’m not even remotely joking.

[@JSephH76]

Why

[@iwantascreenameplz]

​@@JSephH76@FBI got one

[@stargazer8534]

What do you mean why sicko?

[@hand13932]

i am 100% confident vaush agrees with you that people who watch loli peodphile shit should go to prison i dont know why you made this comment implying otherwise

[@gothicxromantic]

@@JSephH76because depicting children in a sexual way is morally wrong and has real world effects, even if it’s just a drawing. It normalizes the sexualization of children and enables predators to view minors in that way. It’s similar to how old racist cartoons worked to reinforce stereotypes and normalize racism.