The Colleen Ballinger Saga Took A Weird New Turn - H3TV #88

[@laplawspring7180]

My favourite thing always with Olivias drama segments is the fact that Dan slowly becomes more interested and invested

[@viceb7]

He makes me feel justified with the occasional comments when I'm dying that noone is pointing something out that I caught lol

[@deadams8905]

Unrelated but he's very cute

[@cosmicnic]

​@@deadams8905dan has never looked good

[@deadams8905]

@@cosmicnic hahaha especially modeling teddy fresh

[@Beth-lu6zu]

This!!!!!

[@4thaluvofthesims]

The 6 hours interview wasnt so Swoop could probe Johnny it was an interview to get his side. Johnny talked in circles so much Swoop got suspicious, did further research, swoop and her team discovered all of this. She didnt trick him into telling on himself, he did it unprovocked. Just wanted to clarify because i keep seeing and hearing people say she got him but she really had pure intentions and its really sad her platform got miused like this. Johnny needs to take accountability, apologize, and deplatform until he is better.

[@aleesiauh]

​@jakecharles7511 oh stop. He was proud of how long it went. He posted it all over Twitter like it was proof that he was the biggest victim of all time

[@HayleySulfridge]

@@jakecharles7511no i gotta disagree, it seems like she was trying really hard to get the straight story from him and was creating this safe space for each person she interviewed. They were all long, but he made his longer talking her in circles. It would have looked bad on her if she just gave up instead of getting his actual allegations like everyone else. She was just trying to pin his story down and he was deflecting.

[@Olivia-te5xg]

+ she said it was the worst interview of her life. she didn’t want to be there but she wasn’t getting straight answers. johnny wanted a long interview to make it seem like his story was more important

[@acoasterbro]

​@@jakecharles7511it's okay to be wrong, love

[@simisim0566]

​@@jakecharles7511 before you make comments like these, watch the actual video. Not only does she tell him he can stop the questions whenever he wants, he's the one who brags about how long the interview is.

[@Hazeljv3]

Johnny spitefully saying "bold of you to assume you're attractive enough for me to have a crush on you Josh" has the same energy as when you reject a guy who is hitting on you and he goes "well you're not even my type anyway"

[@bethbooth6469]

And then to say “he is an attractive man” like make up your mind 🥴

[@Zectifin]

yeah it has clear "you're not even really hot anyways." vibes.

[@RoyalReyna]

It's like someone calling you broke after you don't give them money

[@cunexttuesday7651]

The amount of likes this is getting proves that this really does happen for men who don’t believe it!

[@cunexttuesday7651]

@@bethbooth6469 hahaha truuuue

[@anoldsmellyunusedaccount]

the sexual tension between the palm of Ethans hand and the button in this episode was palpable

[@Rachaelbot]

😂

[@frosty_teacup]

🥵🥵🥵

[@weyheyjackie]

could u say the tension was palmable???

[@wellhello1603]

That button so tempting *vin diesel’s laugh*

[@jenlaura3003]

Can you help a bro out with a timestamp pls

[@LadyAurian]

I have to admit I found Johnny very unlikable during the call in, he kept talking over Oliver and Becky. I remember he essentially took over the entire first hour not letting either of them speak, and then when they were sharing it was like he couldn't return the favor and listen quietly like they had done for him. At the time I obviously did not say anything because a victim is a victim even if unlikable, but it's interesting how even back then I was getting an off vibe from him and felt like he was trying to get all the attention for his stuff. Becky and Oliver, in my opinion, had far worse things that were more interesting to learn more about and we ended up getting very little of their stories. I can't pretend I am all that surprised to see Swoop found inconsistencies and revealed problematic intentions and thoughts.

[@MSchocoholic411]

Agreed

[@SanjaSleipnir]

That was my sentiment as well, my sister and I were watching simultaneously and I texted her during the call that „Johnny seems sus to me“, he was „giving me bad vibes“ and „why doesn’t he let the others talk“ always listen to your gut people

[@ee5647]

Yes, that your bus/hotel room story was so irrelevant

[@TaylorLoyst]

I literally got the same vibes but ignored it because he was a victim

[@adh3247]

@@ee5647they can comment whatever tf they want

[@kwelikaley]

My favorite part of this is Ethan genuinely trying to be kind by saying that Johnny is a “nobody” with “no platform” and “just a normal guy” and all of us know that it’s rubbing salt in Johnny’s wounded ego. 🤣

[@0FreakShow0]

Yesss. You know Johnny was fuming!

[@grudge0132]

U think he ment it that way..pmsl😊

[@shelley5449]

And the fact he wasn't even trying to do it to be snarky, he was legit trying to be considerate towards him is the icing on the cake

[@kwelikaley]

@@shelley5449 THAT’S WHAT MADE IT SO GOOD 🤣🤣🤣

[@shirldayneee]

Omg that is trueeeee hahaha

[@AnnaVictrix]

It’s wild Johnny said the things he did to Swoop’s face and did not pick up on her negative reactions. So selfish he cannot see beyond the end of his own nose.

[@MeeraReads]

It’s consistent. He didn’t pick up on the fact that Josh wasn’t comfortable with Johnny continuing to surprise him, even in hindsight

[@xxxxxxxxx1652]

i truly believe that he somehow managed to make himself believe his own lies.

[@Daaaanielle]

@@xxxxxxxxx1652I 100% believe that too. It’s like he makes everything so so big in his mind and they just…aren’t. The Josh thing seems like he saw as a full on relationship and that he was left hanging when Josh “ghosted” him. In reality? Johnny was not important and the guy just went and tried to deal with his mess, probably with the ppl that were actually close to him. This johnny character is so self centred that he does not understand social cues apparently. I hope he learns from it.

[@GrimlyYours]

It's a pretty big nose, tho. 💀

[@kenziegalloway1605]

Ethan scheduling and taking a call with his doctor in the middle of a podcast where they are discussing alleged grooming is the most Michael Scott behavior

[@paraselenewoman4742]

Omg i found my people

[@user-im6ms1me4y]

Boooo doooo dododododoooo BUM BUM BUDUDUDUH 🕺🏽💃🏽🤳🏽🗃️🗄️

[@superj7106]

This was by far the worst podcast episode Ive seen yet. Nobody gives a shit about grooming allegations boooooooorrrringggggg

[@titanweenie]

This THIS IS WHY IM WATCHING

[@bug2989]

"He's really fast! 🙂" 😂

[@paulinezugzwang1773]

The way Johnny went out of his way to insist he didn't have a crush on Josh when no one suggested that , and how unattractive Josh was to him seem to me like there is something there. This level of defensiveness says a lot.

[@paulinezugzwang1773]

@@avni606 thanks for pointing out the mistake, I corrected it. Yes I agree with what you say. He sounds very bitter. He probably had some sort of crush on him and when Josh spoke to him or gave him any attention it planted this idea in his head that it was mutual, hence why he came out to him and why he was so disappointed in his reaction to coming out.

[@Daaaanielle]

I fully believe that Johnny saw his few interactions with Josh as an actual, real relationship and was hurt when Josh left to go fix his life. He keeps talking about “surprising” him? At work? WHAT? That is a stalker behaviour? I find it so so so weird.

[@paulinezugzwang1773]

@@Daaaanielle Also, it's not in this video but in Swoop's he mentions he went to a Josh show in LA and was super disappointed that Colleen or Josh did not pick him up from the airport which was hours away. It's kind of a wild expectation to have

[@Vuhmora420]

Something I’ll say that rubbed me wrong about the Johnny dude is when y’all had him on he would rarely let the others speak and when Ethan would ask him to clarify something he would kinda change it up and not be specific

[@LawNerdAmber]

Bingo!!

[@Mgmorris98]

I was just thinking that he was talking way more than adam and the whole time I was like… wait who is this guy again?

[@kirstensmith9367]

Yes I hated that segment and found that part of the episode boring. I remember thinking why is this guy the only one talking and he wasn't making sense. He completely took over that interview

[@cariwhyte]

yess exactly he was sort of speaking over them

[@avalee2103]

I was literally thinking that 😭

[@merimix22]

ethan: says that watching Swoop’s 4 hour video is a big time commitment also ethan: makes multiple 4 hour podcasts every week that we watch every minute of

[@dolan979]

Glad Dan called that bs out right away lol

[@Barbievel]

Her video was so interesting it was the easiest 4 hour watch tbh

[@joannerudolph5028]

@barbievel I agree w/ you. Swoop is amazing

[@shawnbay2211]

Like, c’mon, she+her team probably spent the whole month working on it. Swoop bringing the info 2 us was a time commitment.

[@sh3rocks01]

I mean it is a big commitment. Don’t forget that this is his job so he does more hours behind the scenes each week. Not to mention he has kids so probably watching a 4 hour video is difficult for him to fit in his day.

[@JH-yj7kk]

Sad that Colleen's lawyers will probably use Johnny being discredited to attack the credibility of everyone else who came forward.

[@meli1872]

yea johny really fucked up all of the victims story just to get his revenge over an adult not responding to him lmao . what an ass

[@spacedoutsprout]

So real

[@TheHestya]

That's the reason it's double as fucked up to lie about crimes and actions like that, because it affects a person wrongfully accused AND takes credibility away from real victims.

[@khaleesireyna731]

It's possible, but considering the huge amount of work/effort Swoop put in to exposing Johnny as a fraud and all of that work being publicly available via KZbin, it would end up being a quagmire a good lawyer would want to avoid because it would be just as easy to go "yeah, he lied and he was so bad at it he got caught and the actual victims were suspicious of him".

[@Erin49694]

my opinion in all of this, and I think a lot of peoples opinion, is that johnny hates josh for “abandoning” him and not guiding him to stardom like he believes josh promised. He thought josh was his ticket to stardom. he thought he had found his “in” and when josh didn’t live up to his expectations, his resentment grew. this resurfacing of the colleen drama was an opportunity for him to piggy back off of real victims statements with his own stories to try and desperately gain back any sort of fame or notoriety. i mean think about it. he admitted that in january of this year he attended a miranda sings show to attempt to salvage any relationship that was once there. when that didn’t work, suddenly colleen is the enemy. he didn’t go to her show to rekindle some sort of friendship. he went to see if he could find a way to latch onto her and propel his way back into the spotlight. his story changed so often and it often looked like he was trying to “one-up” adam. i personally think johnny needs to delete all of his social media platforms and just do a full internet detox. he needs to live in the real world and come to terms with what kind of person he wants to be. a lying, manipulative, victim-blaming, clout-chasing and narcissistic clown is what he is now. in my opinion, it’s better if he leaves the internet and doesn’t come back for a while. he shouldn’t try to salvage anything because it only deflects attention away from the real issue at hand which is colleen ballinger.

[@soph2799]

100% this, and I also think he had/has a huge obsession with Josh. It’s giving swim fan vibes.

[@MsAbbiiee]

1000%

[@TheTomm101]

I think they all just sound like narcissistic 14yr olds who put WAY too much of their energy and lives into content creators.

[@tatianagranger2427]

True. And also, knowing that Josh was well known, albeit not huge, but still more than Johnny could with his own “personality” and then walked away. Clearly FAME was all he wanted and his family helped his obsession. I’m not blaming his family, I don’t know them and he’s a bonified adult, so yea, he has all the responsibility of his actions.

[@HauntedCadaver]

This makes a lot of sense to me since he can't keep his story straight. I think half of it has been embellished and he can't keep track of his own lies and details.

[@Naejakire3]

When Johnny was on H3, he centered himself and monopolized the whole convo. He made himself more important, while never showing any actual evidence or having any real claims. He posted about Josh day in and day out and it became so clear that he was obsessed with Josh. All this was was him being an obsessed stalker fan. When Josh realized, he distanced himself and Johnny is out for vengeance.. He already barely talked to Johnny and talked to him mostly all in public and how a guy would talk to his fan.. I mean, him saying on Twitter "come to my show!" and Johhny taking that as a personal invite, saying he was personally invited and messaging them to PICK HIM UP?! Then to find out he was always over 18 when talking to Josh.. It's all bullshit, and he is genuinely delusional.

[@LibraInSeattle]

I thought the exact same thing at the time. That’s when I started to get a funny feeling about Johnny, but I chalked it up to him being immature for a 27 year old man. I don’t have twitter so I don’t follow the drama on a daily basis. But when Swoop came out with the 3rd part in her series, I was shocked at the extent of the lies but not surprised. If that makes sense.

[@cassiaruiz9577]

Johnny trying to get them to pick him up based on a tweet “invite” is absolutely unhinged he genuinely needs professional help

[@Essaroni]

Yeah I got a weird vibe with that call, just went on for so long and I felt bad for the others on the call. I thought maybe it was nerves but it seems he just wanted to center himself in all of this. That sucks

[@TessaFisher]

I completely agree! His desperation that was further displayed in Swoop’s series was almost painful to watch.

[@andd124]

I noticed that right away. He talked too much and he didn'tletthe other two girls talk. I noticed that he's a narcissist

[@mary1412]

Josh’s apologies were so beautifully written. Just reading those, knowing that Johnny was making a ton of this stuff up, made me feel so bad for him. You could tell he was really trying to make sure Johnny didn’t have his feelings invalidated. EVEN THOUGH there was no grooming. He was suicidal, going through so much, and johnny was like “why aren’t you thinking of me me me me me” and mad he got ghosted and now he’s taking his revenge. So wrong. I hope y’all do interview Josh too and he can get his whole story out there. ❤

[@Zectifin]

yeah he was clearly trying to help a kid in distress. I agree that people are watering down the word a bit. Are we going to say that teens can't befriend an adult at all or its grooming? what about an LGBT kid in a conservative household and they have to remain in the closet, is nobody allowed to give them some kind words? My depression and anxiety came to a breaking point when I was a teen, I would have loved to have someone in a place where I am now as an adult to talk to who has been through everything to say life was worth living, instead of only being able to talk to my unhelpful parents who made everything worse. Having him run a twitter account was wrong, but he was trying to help out a kid who said he needed help and now this kid is going on some kind of vindictive crusade to also get himself internet famous.

[@meli1872]

this whole video i kept thinking that ethan SHOULDVE aknowledged how this man who was domestically and emotional abused, cheated on and an alcoholic, had distanced himself entirely from his exwife and her circle on the internet to get better. and this obsessed teenager turned adult (johny) felt like from that TINY ASS intereaction he had with him he was owed what? like. this person took their distance to fight alcoholism and heal. its not about you. also giving him his number at a fan meet up where his parents are present in order to help ha career on youtube or whatever is not that weird, as long as he didnt use that to get closer to a child which he didnt

[@lucystoner]

Josh's apologies seemed very real from the start. "I am sorry I made you feel we could be friends."

[@HulaHula667]

@@lucystonerI think that it also has to be acknowledged that Josh is a recovering alcoholic and most probably going through a 12step recovery. Part of this is to take accountability for any past hurts you caused others...

[@andarwarje8127]

Um, I was sexually groomed as 15 year old by a 45 year old man, spent 12 years being abused by him...gonna go ahead and say that's worse than whatever the fuck Johnny was trying to spin as "more disturbing"

[@Cashhhhew]

I can’t believe he said that sh*t to swoop’s face knowing her story. And I’m sorry you faced that nightmare too. His motive is so clear- to be the “#1 victim” and center of attention. And like Adam said “I wish you could take that from me, I don’t want it”. Any true victim would feel the same. Johnny is a horrible grifter. Reminds me of the lady that faked being a 9/11 survivor

[@lilyth682]

I'm sorry that happened to you. Sending you a big virtual hug🫂❤

[@trinketeerrine6674]

Johnny just got his feelings hurt because he didn't get the fame he expected from his friendship with Josh... There's a reason why he had to edit screenshots and never talks in specifics about how he was groomed... Because he wasn't. I'm sorry this pos thinks he deserves to talk over real victims and survivors like you and to claim he had it worse... He's disgusting !

[@Gymnastmonkey9696]

I’m so sorry that happened to you! So so awful I can’t imagine how triggering hearing from Johnny is

[@mandiedukes]

I was 13, he was 26. He was a neighbor in my best friends apartment building. He knew my best friends family. They grew up together on the block basically.. This man took my virginity at 13. Groomed the shit out of me beforehand, told me so many things that a innocent minor would believe. He stood around my whole teen years, to use me. Me being a minor, I thought it was “Love” because of his manipulation. His family knew too, met his mother, sister & brother. They gave looks but didn’t say anything. I didn’t realize what was happening to me until I got older like around 18 years old.. found out I’ve been a victim this whole time. I lied to my mom about being at my bffs apt when I was at his. She did her best raising 3 daughters alone, especially kept us safe. I took advantage of her trust… but I was manipulated and pressured by a pdf to hang out. Shit hits hard when you’re 27 with a kid. Fuck.. sorry to trauma dump. Its 3am rn for me LOL.

[@ValentineWildlife]

That would be rad if Cam got to design a Teddy Fresh shirt. His artwork is amazing!! 🦉

[@MScrista24]

Yessss

[@solace6700]

true but its never a good idea to mix family and business which ethan has done great

[@jj99686]

I would totally buy that cute lil bat on a TF shirt

[@earthcypher2017]

🙏 PLEASE 🙏

[@hoolangiegans]

@@solace6700sam already works for teddy fresh too i thought?

[@cunexttuesday7651]

When I was watching the Colleen victims H3 interview I DEFINITELY wondered why he was dominating the convo. I know you guys did, too! He’s grabbing aaalllll the interviews he can get…. What Corey and Colleen did to him was bad enough. He didn’t need to completely make shit up about or ‘mislabel’ Josh in order to be a pertinent part of the conversation. Every voice matters and when you add lies it undermines the truth of real survivors/victims. Sad, dude.

[@Salz-qu3ml]

He was just like his story is too small compared to Adam receiving adult material as a child, so he wanted to be an equivalent if not the biggest victim. Colleen was already "taken" by Adam so Joshua it was 😬

[@erisedeye]

Yeah I remember thinking “dang this guy came prepared, he’s speaking so confidently like he’s practiced this before” 😅

[@cunexttuesday7651]

@@Salz-qu3ml such a good way of putting it!

[@cunexttuesday7651]

@@erisedeye oh snaaaaap! You called it!

[@cunexttuesday7651]

@@LoLo1k2k3k I literally had that thought when I typed that! 😭

[@ljb5163]

Johnny IS a KZbinr and he’s been trying to be famous since he met Josh and Colleen. It’s funny how Ethan says he’s a private person and doesn’t have a platform because that will probably piss him off even more. 😂

[@ssilnah1842]

😂😂😂

[@Sunnhia]

I thought that too, like little Johnny’s gonna hate that Ethan called him a person without a platform

[@niennaweeps4315]

Olivia corrected him on that

[@20fiveCent]

I was thinking the same thing

[@heathertapper-gq6pk]

Ethan needs to do his homework before speaking

[@paiger7899]

despite how serious and horrible this situation is , ethan’s “did somebody give him truth serum??!”about johnny made me laugh sm he literally just keeps making it worse for himself

[@AnnaVictrix]

As a survivor, I beg everyone: when it comes to victims’ accounts, TRUST BUT VERIFY. Basically like Swoop did with Johnny’s stories.

[@KenHillsh]

Okay but how what about in othet situations when the true victim is the falsely accused? Their life should be turned upside down and distrusted bc of another persons accusations? How about research then trust. Because this Johnny guy was obviously looking for clout from day dot. Y’all are delusional and believe everyone and dont think about the falsely accused. Weird

[@AnnaVictrix]

@@KenHillshThis sounds like a deeply personal issue.

[@annasieben484]

But please also keep in mind, not all survives have "receipts" absue happens behind closed doors. With ✌️ & ❤

[@bas_ee]

@@KenHillsh nah youre the weird one here

[@talonhammer]

​@@KenHillshI'm a man who has been falsely accused by a woman but I still agree with OP 100% so who do you think you're "standing up for?" speak for yourself only.

[@maddy6764]

I commented this on swoop’s video: While I also think Johnny is a leech for attention and clout he uses terms like "Our little coffee date" "he broke up with me" The way he wasn't sympathetic to Josh after surviving abuse, the way he talks about being attracted to Josh but not THAT attracted makes me think Johnny was in love with Josh and he felt scorned when that wasn't reciprocated after the divorce which was when he turned on him publicly.

[@Anr1231]

Ya those two lines were very LOUD

[@Chibbykins]

I sense a very ugly combination of unrequited love and an unfulfilled lust for fame. It's totally okay to be hurt and disappointed that someone isn't giving what you hoped for, but the way he and his family reacted to it is fucking *crazy*

[@puramity]

the part where ethan takes his call and its just the crew all talking and theyre showing each other stuff is so wholesome the vibes of this show are immaculate

[@annoyingbookgirl]

I think the one thing we can all learn from this is SUPERVISE YOUR KIDS ON THE INTERNET. And call out strange behavior to protect the kids who's parents won't.

[@willydirt9355]

it's pretty unrealistic to expect parents to have the time to supervise everything kids do on the internet

[@FukaiKokoro]

It's hard. If we want that we need to provide better care to everyone. Like universal basic income and healthcare. And provide workers with more options. Because growing up I experienced a parent who went to college and went into 90,000$+ debt to only be worked to death. Working so much with disabled adults when she got home she mentally was so drained so didn't have anything left for us kids. Her life was eat, sleep, work repeat. There was no leisure. She worked over full time and got paid shit. She was making under 20,000$ a year for working with disabled adults with a college education. We need to overhaul society so parents can actually have the energy to parent. Because alot of people are on that boat where a day taken off to be with family would equal not being able to pay rent. And it's getting worse and worse. Majority of people are in survival mode. We need to help people and give enough aid that people can switch to thrive mode. America has no excuses. We could do all these programs that actually help people but we don't. Because the corporations, CEOs and 0.01% like us being in survival mode because if we had the time to sit and think we'd start realizing how messed up everything is.

[@annoyingbookgirl]

@@willydirt9355 no it isn't. If supervising kids' social media isn't possible then only let them have KZbin and text msging. That's all kids really need anyways. Discord Tiktok and Twitter are where the crazy stuff happens

[@annoyingbookgirl]

@@willydirt9355 honestly kids have no business being on Twitter tiktok or discord

[@nosir2758]

​@willydirt9355 then they shouldn't give their kids access to the internet. That's like gifting your kid a car and saying "well I don't have the time to teach them how to drive or be safe and responsible in a car but they can keep the car and drive in it". If you "don't have the time" to supervise your child on the internet than don't be shocked or complain when the bad shit starts to happen. That parent chose to be neglectful

[@StubbyBritishGirl]

Wow, Ethan is really being reasonable and logical. I really like the way he approached this. He didn't leap on it, and encouraged people to view this with reason and not on attack. We need more of this!

[@nunya5057]

i’ve noticed he’s normally pretty good at being objective unless it’s personal beef… then he just goes for the throat no matter what lol

[@polygondwanalanda]

No we don’t need more of this, It was hard for Ethan to understand everything quickly and Olivia did poor job explaining, that’s why Ethan was reasonable and logical 😂

[@sixcatsinatrenchcoat7680]

@@polygondwanalandaim so tired of the pod cast being about allegations I wish we got more light hearted stuff it's super triggering to have to go over these kinds of situations

[@ambersmith2612]

@@sixcatsinatrenchcoat7680they have a platform they want to use for good… watch something else

[@oliverxhmll]

​@@sixcatsinatrenchcoat7680they had to do this cause they platformed his allegations

[@codys3084]

Johnny was tweeting / harassing josh every single day MINIMUM 25 tweets a day every single day. He was obsessed and addicted to clout from the situation and made dangerous and inaccurate allegations for attention. It’s clear he was a borderline obsessed stalker who felt scorned

[@SM-vb8fj]

Yikes

[@whynot1606]

This

[@wellhello1603]

Stalker is what I called him too.. he’s literally stalking a person and trying to punish him for not being interested

[@viceb7]

25 tweets a day?? Are there ss of that?

[@laurenvcouto]

25? good lord

[@dazedema4246]

Since the Teddy Fresh x Trixie is happening, now seems like the perfect time to have her on! She’s hilarious

[@leslieeunice1]

Thank you Dan for pointing out the 4hr video Swoop made being the same as their 4hr podcast episode 😂

[@AnnaVictrix]

Johnny’s story gave me pause when his complaints were: not being invited to dinner, not being picked up from the airport as an adult on a trip he planned by himself, and having his DMs ignored.

[@DyslecticAttack]

But remember, this "grooming" he suffered was worse than anything Colleen did to other people. It was worse than Oliver and Adam suffered. And it "might even be worse" and "more disturbing" than being groomed, sexually abused, r***'d, and blackmailed to keep it a secret for YEARS like Swoop. His views towards actual victims and his incessant need to be the worse "victim" are disgusting. No matter if he's truthful about the few "facts" he has given, his attitude in this all is disgusting.

[@Daaaanielle]

I think it’s because in his mind? He was more of a friend than he actually was. I think he full on believed that when they showed some excitement or replied to him saying he was coming to a place? He thought it was like a full on invitation and he was “one of them”. Also? I full on think he was in love with Josh and felt he lead him on when he gave him positive interactions and then “ghosted” him when his life went to crap. I feel like he has some big mental health issues and I hope he addresses them and gets help.

[@AnnaVictrix]

@@Daaaanielle Totally agree. He thought he was a part of their lives and so felt entitled to their attention. TBH he reminds me of a pushy guy on a dating site who turns nasty if you don’t message him back in five minutes. The kind of person who doesn’t realize you have a whole entire life outside of them that has nothing to do with them.

[@danaperks6092]

Teddy and Brucie: Dad, take me nine hours to see my favorite influencer. Ethan and Hila: we have influencers at home.

[@Blahblahhah]

This deserves more attention

[@JeromeBeckett]

You mean Love? ;) (If he's still staying in their outhouse that is)

[@ee5647]

So cute! XD

[@rachnotspam1831]

Omg this is so funny

[@ashleythrasher7552]

@@ee5647u😮po😮kjijkukkikkijkijkijkijkikjiimjikikjijjijjijjj😮😮😮😮😮jjkijjujjujju

[@Aqua_Toad]

Ok... Ethan shouldn't have skipped the "I wouldn't be surprised if Oliver Tree was Ethan Klein in disguise" comment. I had never once seen or heard of Oliver before he was on the show and I sat there dumbfounded for over an hour trying to figure out how they did this.... Oliver 100% looked like Ethan in disguise.

[@yesseniapozuelos8787]

Same firs time I seen him on the show I was is this Ethan in a costume

[@Aqua_Toad]

@@yesseniapozuelos8787 hey, I see you're not a member. I hesitated for a long time but seeing the SeeUNT streams and the BTS are thoroughly worth the $5 a month. *Hugs*

[@dellarae]

My personal conspiracy is they are cousins 😂

[@ash-is-napping]

Same bestie. First time I saw him they only ever chatted through video chat so easy for it to be a bit. Over a year later they are in person together and it freaked me the fuck out 😂

[@Aqua_Toad]

@@dellarae that's not a bad head cannon 😏

[@AnnaVictrix]

Johnny made me so uneasy after his appearances on DWKT and H3. Survivors, we get exhausted talking about our trauma, but he would get energized. He was spiteful and delighted.

[@ashes2ashes394]

I agree 💯leaving as many as 40 a day tweets about Josh seems like a major red flag…. I’m sorry but victims want to be in the shadows… I don’t know how to say it… sorry… only speaking from my own experience….but I just don’t see him as being a victim.. sorry

[@mac2040]

I love that you mentioned this aspect

[@britnysnyder4991]

​@@ashes2ashes394I think you mean about Josh

[@ashes2ashes394]

@@britnysnyder4991 yes Whoops

[@janetecarrillo6039]

Okay but when is miss trixie coming onto the podcast? Her humor and energy would KILL.

[@izzy-bu8yn]

manifesting this for Fridays ep

[@RealElongatedMuskrat]

we demand the pink thing!

[@elizico]

yes pls i need it so bad

[@brrrigby]

the pink thing + Ethan in demon mode = terrify 😏

[@viceb7]

THIS PLEASE

[@laurenbaldwn]

Johnny seems like a stalker who was in love with Josh and when he didn’t feel the same he flipped it around on him and accused him of being a predator

[@liriodendronlasianthus]

Very Amber Heard of him too Edit: Context in the comments below.

[@greg-op2jh]

100% I think he fell in love with Josh. It sounds like a scorned person. I hope he gets it and apologizes. I hope he truly doesn't feel that way and his emotions are blinding him. When I was a teenager I fell in love with my best friend who was straight. And I knew it could never happen, but it didn't make a difference. I ended up hating him because it broke my heart. He did nothing wrong but I felt that way for years. It ruined our friendship and I deeply regret it. Unfortunately the people who were groomed a lot of times end up doing it to other people. Ps the irony is my friends name was Josh lol Oh my God I just got father a long in the video. I can't believe he said he would want boys uh erm men. Oh my God

[@HayleySulfridge]

I actually get the feeling he really thought he was going to get famous thanks to Josh, but then Josh quit KZbin and he’s still angry about it. He put his own desire for fame above Joshua’s life falling apart. But i don’t doubt your theory one bit.

[@aleesiauh]

​@HayleySulfridge this has been my thoughts, too. Very vengeful

[@Misunao23]

That’s what I got too. His preoccupation with Josh is unusual and obsessive. He originally came out as a Colleen victim which may have been true but he’s throwing a lot of shade at Josh like he’s a disgruntled ex which he’s not.

[@crissyg.9079]

*In my opinion* Jonny was so infatuated with Josh and turned their relationship into something it wasn’t in his head and then when Josh stopped responding he was so hurt that he thought it was worse than what Colleen did because he hadn’t felt and couldn’t imagine worse hurt than that.

[@mostdopebur]

I love when Ethan does pointless polls for shit he already knows the answer to. And I’ll always pick the most chaotic voting choice ✌🏼&❤️

[@dan-garden]

i personally prefer when he asks lord chatgpt for validation 👌

[@naomitenorio2852]

I was laughing so hard when he asked to do a poll about the doctor's call like Ethan what 😂

[@sierrakershur3531]

*Goblin mode*

[@ebdgr]

Good poll

[@sejtbrugernavn]

And he always has waay too much trust in the voting

[@IlIlI_]

Jay Shetty is the Ned Flanders to Ethan's Homer. The eyes counter the hairline.

[@DJchoppa666]

this is way funnier than it ought to be

[@veronicaescobedo6441]

yes, you nailed it... Stupid Shetty!

[@jeanbunnehify]

Damn you sexy Flanders

[@emmmmmmmmm6322]

The best comparison 😂

[@ThePersia450]

💎💎 Ned Flanders oooo

[@Itszahia]

I love how dan is constantly noticing the production, editing, and work that was put into this video. (Of course he’s a producer so he would notice)

[@karahanley4228]

So he's bitter that Joshua didn't take him to stardom, and so he's presenting false allegations against a man who has genuinely been through the shit.... Gross.

[@RexxTheFirst]

Swoop does a very very good and thorough job with her docs. I’m glad you guys took the time to go through it

[@moldbrain660]

Lol it’s the ‘my prize was a ball of tape” being put up against ‘I was sent lingerie to model so adults could exploit that’ as an example of grooming for me

[@liesbeneathoureyes]

I feel like Johnny and Adam’s stories are polar opposites because so much of what Johnny complained about Josh NOT doing is something Colleen ACTUALLY did to Adam. Colleen sent Adam lingerie and Kory manipulated him into “modeling” the lingerie online (overly intimate and personal with sexual connotations) … meanwhile Johnny complains that Josh “only” gave him a ball of duct tape (implying that was a disappointingly impersonal gift). Colleen emotionally relied on Adam, overshared intimate details of her life, used him as a confidante - meanwhile Johnny is disappointed that Josh barely ever talked to him. Colleen specifically invited Adam to her shows and encouraged him to come with the promise of one-on-one hangouts and personal interactions, meanwhile Johnny invited HIMSELF to Josh’s shows and travelled long distance to see him, then got mad that Josh didn’t personally come and pick him up from hours away?? Colleen purposely tried to exclude Adam’s parents from their interactions, pointing out that Adam’s parents would likely find their relationship inappropriate and seemed disappointed that Adam’s parents accompanied him when they were supposed to meet up, whereas Josh seems to have been careful to include Johnny’s parents as much as possible and most of the “intimate” interactions Johnny has described actually involves his parents being present the whole time. Adam is uncomfortable that, as a CHILD (during his preteen and teenage years) he was manipulated into an extremely emotionally intimate friendship with a 30+ year old woman who sexualised him and discussed inappropriate topics with him and other kids, meanwhile exploiting him for free labour. Johnny by contrast seems overall angry that he never got the intimate connection he actually WANTED with Josh as Josh appears to have set far better boundaries regarding the appropriateness of their interactions and always held Johnny at arms length (and was also an older teenager/in his 20s at the time). No wonder Johnny is so jealous of Adam.

[@moldbrain660]

@@liesbeneathoureyes yeah, 50 shades of f’ed in the head that guy.

[@breetoldyouso]

@@moldbrain66050 shades of red flags

[@springreturning856]

⁠@@liesbeneathoureyesyou broke this down SO well. it’s a great summary for anyone who still may be confused or overwhelmed by all of the different aspects of the situation.

[@mers624]

Johnny was clearly pissed about winning the ball of tape

[@despres380]

ethan saying "thank you to my lovely wife," and then pulling up a picture of trixie mattel 🤣

[@coreeenie8397]

Ethan: we need to temper our language when talking about this guy Olivia: The devil in Colleen’s shadow.

[@healgoth]

It’s SWOOP’s video title/thumbnail tho, not intentionally malicious or their own opinions

[@yourfriendmelanie]

that made me laugh so hard 🤣🤣🤣

[@maldita97]

When I heard him say, "I want boys-- Well, men"... Oh my god. It reminds me of when I'm watching a true crime video and the video pauses and the JCS narrator would explain how the suspect made a slip up and admitted to his crimes.

[@banquetoftheleviathan1404]

Lots of people do that on both sides, it’s more of an issue with the language being fuzzy at least in use. Similar to how people get weird about being called sir or ma’am

[@heyitsamyjay]

It's giving James Charles

[@imeantloveyou5eva]

*mouse click* here’s where he slipped up

[@MyRandyortonfan]

I have a strong feeling Johnny was in love with Josh and felt rejected so now he’s trying to ruin his life

[@johnnyrocket2668]

💯

[@FukaiKokoro]

I don't think so at all. He's just a creepy stalker type.

[@YoutubeAccount5]

Anytime both Ethan and Dan are yelling "NOOOOOOO!!!" unprompted simultaneously--instant highlight moment for me lol

[@olddays-tw9xe]

I was wondering what were you talking about and then it happened, lmaoooo

[@cool-on9fx]

⁠@@olddays-tw9xe:D

[@sarahschouveller1993]

I know the crew was all groaning over it but I love that Ethan does this kinda stuff lol just sitting there on the phone with his doctor in front of 66k live viewers 😅 also, always appreciate the chance to see Cam's sketches ❤️

[@GoddessMandie]

Right, feels like i’m sitting in the office with them lmao.

[@twontree]

i loved that 💀

[@sarahschouveller1993]

@@GoddessMandie yeah and the crew always does a great job of filling the empty space, like I don't mind at all listening to the crew talk without Ethan for a bit here and there.

[@bluecollarmenproductions]

Yea and then force you to be a member to even join the live . Little greedy

[@kat_emu]

Me too

[@chickpea734]

Johnny is a text book narcissist. He hated being rejected and held a grudge all these years later desperate for revenge

[@rascal342]

I was getting strong narcissist vibes

[@zachg427]

I work with one of these types and they're the worst people in the world. And the more energy and passion they have for their twisted shit the more damage they cause

[@prettyfarfromOK]

He is activly creating his own world. Kind of like TP

[@jameswayton2340]

Ethan is narc himself and fooling all of you.

[@classique_]

@@jameswayton2340care to explain how?

[@briannahoover191]

I don’t think Josh giving his number to Johnny was inappropriate at all. Especially given the context that Johnny was continuously telling this man he was depressed and somewhat suicidal. Josh giving Johnny his number came off to me as wanting to help a young man with his mental health, which later on turned into Johnny becoming obsessed and Josh pulling back.

[@sashagemini7623]

I agree with you. Let's say Josh was truly trying to help him, and Josh actually helped him through whatever he was going through. That Johnny didn't become borderline obsessive to the point where Josh had to keep him at an arms distance and then dropped off the internet after going through an intense public divorce. If none of that happened, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Mentor and groomer are two very different things. I just feel so bad for Josh. Should internet celebrities think twice about engaging with minors on the internet? Absolutely. But I think Josh saw the signs long before things got really weird. Johnny is painting a DANGEROUS narrative.

[@FukaiKokoro]

As a adult he should have told John to seek proper help from loved ones and or give him the suicide hotline. There's more appropriate ways to handle that.

[@meli1872]

yes. giving his number WOULDVE been inappropriate if it was him using it to get closer to him to groom him, he didnt even respond to his damn texts! he didnt want close contact. he just wanted to give the kid some hope about his future on youtube and a connection

[@horroradorer]

He was never the appropriate adult to help Johnny. Period.

[@crumbtember]

​@@FukaiKokoroI would say there are other additional good ways to deal with it, and that this wasn't inappropriate.

[@sarahj54321]

I watched swoops doc and now I’m watching this one and still as a survivor the statement “you fucked around and found out” brings me to tears. I thought I had moved on but that statement…. Hurts

[@purpleexplorer2263]

It's really hard for us to hear because a lot of us blame ourselves for our abuse.. I just want you to know that you didn't fuck around and found out. You were victimized by someone else. There was nothing you could have done. And it's not your fault.

[@memethingz6004]

Joshua is male, it’s different. How much power can a woman have over a man

[@sarahj54321]

@@memethingz6004 I can only assume you are joking.

[@bas_ee]

@@memethingz6004 bad troll

[@briallt]

sending love to you❤ your feelings are valid

[@samjohnson5381]

This is really an amazing show and there is not anything remotely close. Who else is taking live calls from their hematologist? Ethan and the crew are second to none

[@maxmeier532]

you need to get out of your basement, for real. If you are 12 years old, your opinion is excused, while still terrible.

[@imaginary92]

I felt so bad for Dan in that section 🤣

[@northuniverse]

For the very first time in all of H3 history.

[@nasMFkhan]

to say nothing of the prolapse(s)!

[@kokolebest95]

When Johnny came on the podcast I had a weird feeling all throughout. I felt like he took all the space for a story that was less "damaging" than the two others and that frankly he felt like he was part of the bully train himself. Glad my intuition was right. Him saying his story is even more important is craaazyyyy

[@OMG1BECKY1]

Felt sad when he basically said “Why did you stay , its your fault cause you choose to stay” my family said this to me and it was incredibly hard to leave my toxic relationship they make it almost impossible to leave :/

[@preachingsarcasm2213]

​@@iwhatch1 congrats for never being abused ig 🎉

[@shuffles537]

Research also says that when someone chooses to leave, it is the most dangerous time for them as abusers will often lash out violently at the lack of power. That's why there are so many murders of (predominantly) women by their ex-partners.

[@iwhatch1]

@@preachingsarcasm2213 yeah I’d just leave? Maybe that’s why I haven’t been abused?

[@taylorfawn2012]

@@iwhatch1abusive relationships do not start off as extremely violent and horrible off the bat. they escalate over time and your abuser will likely manipulate and tear down and isolate you to make it even harder to leave. it’s not as simple as “just leaving”.

[@pettyycrockerr]

@@taylorfawn2012I agree. It’s nothing but mind games, threats, & just abuse. Not just physical abuse either. Mental & emotional abuse also. They are also real good at putting up a “oh I’m so amazing!” facade publicly. Making it seem like they are the best person ever! But then behind closed doors, it’s a whole different ball game. To where if you do ever speak up, people think you’re nuts because that person was good at their facade. Plus like you said, it doesn’t happen right away. It develops overtime. They love bomb you. Get you to where you are under their “spell”. Then it goes downhill from there. Some of us have also had to plan an escape. Because we received threats about being hurt or having our loved ones hurt. & I say all of this as a DV survivor myself. I didn’t “stay” because I wanted to go through abuse. I stayed because I was in fear. Until I reached out for help to plan my escape that would get me to safety. I now have CPTSD. I wish a simple “just leaving” would have been the cure all!

[@soaaaam]

The sweet feeling of coming home to an almost 4 hour podcast

[@Alfez34]

And then realizing 3 of them are on a drama PowerPoint :(

[@casahall]

So disappointing 😢

[@grey6703]

i’m sorry y’all are disappointed but the drama powerpoints are my FAVOURITE segment so i’m in heaven

[@Superbooomer]

@@grey6703you must be a newer viewer

[@catherinerondel4569]

​@@Superbooomer im an older viewer and love it 🤷‍♀️

[@chelseamag3125]

I love these Olivia presentations, but sometimes it is so painful the way Ethan just doesn’t listen lmao Olivia is constantly telling him she has a slide about it and he just keeps asking questions without looking at the slide

[@SanjaSleipnir]

Oh my god thank you, I thought I was alone on this!

[@kommstheir]

She is either extremely nervous or brain dead, it's hard to listen to her constantly saying a whole bunch of nothing, she does a terrible job which is why Ethan keeps having to ask questions and make it somewhat entertaining.

[@trendycowboy]

Yes I was like getting severely annoyed during her presentation

[@emelyfml2184]

Man did not let her talk 😭

[@megan-mr9vk]

she needs to have control over the screen while she’s presenting too

[@brithemandrake]

This podcast genuinely helps me cope with my depression on a daily basis

[@LaconixTM]

Same girl

[@m.a.b.4104]

YES💯

[@mariafuentes9767]

Felt

[@nowey2251]

Me too and I sincerely wish you the best Brian

[@amk-ur3nq]

sameee

[@michaelashirley2001]

Johnny has seemed like a clout chaser the whole time but nobody wanted to say anything to negate the fact he was “a victim” but the way he has approached every interview he has done has seemed showboaty to me. Like when he was on the pod and kept talking over everyone. The others that spoke seemed like they were actually traumatized and just wanted to get their stories out there meanwhile his approach was very gossipy and catty. He didn’t seem upset at all in comparison to the others whose stories weren’t nearly as bad as his according to him. This is the hard part about these situations and why actual victims have to go into situations expecting people to be against them because the public or onlookers have a hard time believing anyone because of the wolves in sheep’s clothing like Johnny. It’s such a shame people like him exist.

[@LadyAurian]

In one way I am proud of the community for standing by a victim, despite the fact that clearly many of us did find his behavior at the time somewhat upsetting. I'd rather be nice to a bad person than risk being unpleasant to a real victim, and it was nice to see that on a large scale. But I totally agree with you on the behavior, and the stark difference between Becky/Oliver and Johnny on the podcast.

[@elvishkat]

Watch the homophobia in 'catty sounding'

[@ImAtYourMumsHouse]

​​@@elvishkat I know plenty of catty straight men

[@Alleighcat1]

How can Zach play sound bites off the cuff but can’t play the ones that are on a literal list lol

[@lilyth682]

The fact Johnny's family was so insistent with Joshua is crazy

[@0FreakShow0]

Right? Seems like they encouraged his behavior. Honestly thank God Josh wasn't interested because they served him up to be groomed. You child should be "doing the damn thing" with an adult. Imo they saw $$$

[@abyssalbunny8942]

I wish Olivia would have touched on the point that swoop made about how allegedly johny was doing a lot of this for clout and to grow his internet presence. He told Adam that trishas pictures "would do well on Twitter" and he kept heavily implying that he wanted Josh to apologize to him on his youtube channel that has a way bigger audience even though Josh was no longer active on yt and had made many apologies private and public on Twitter. Not only that but if Josh made an apology video Johnny could "cash in" by making a reaction video to it. Those were just two examples on swoops video.

[@Ilovedallthepeople]

I dont think thats relevant at all to mention here

[@breetoldyouso]

@@Ilovedallthepeoplethey brought it up at the beginning, Ethan was saying he’s a private person and isn’t trying to grow on the internet, which is not fully accurate. I do agree that no hate should be sent, though. Still a very good take from Ethan.

[@stephaniegunnison5908]

I honestly think his statement that he mentioned in his tweet will be a video on KZbin. He tried to make sure his channel was monetized before making his video about Josh and he knows people will watch just to see what comes out of it and he will be able to make some cash off of it. Just my thought though. I guess we will see.

[@abyssalbunny8942]

@@Ilovedallthepeople it's relevant to Johny's motives as to why he would defame Josh.

[@Ilovedallthepeople]

@@abyssalbunny8942 doing some personal speculation about his inner motives is not interesting nor serious. Im glad they didnt.

[@loonykitty]

i love the team showing their picture books and eating their snacks during the doctor call intermission

[@sprig.sprout]

I can’t be the only one who picked up on Johnny’s horrendous vibes… obviously didn’t say anything before lol

[@sashagemini7623]

Nope, I hated him from day 1.

[@xxedgecumberveggietaleslma9874]

Who’s John ?

[@amynye7218]

Yep I did

[@genericname8727]

He seemed okay on the Do We Know Them? Podcast but he seemed odd on H3

[@HayleySulfridge]

@@genericname8727yes he was far to eager to be the leader of the 3

[@Stickweeed]

I found it very odd that Johnny talked so much during the episode he was on. He barely let the others talk at all.

[@snailflowers]

i got the vibe when johnny was on the podcast that he was speaking over the other guests and taking up way more space than them, for seemingly a much smaller part in the whole situation. i mean, ethan was specifically speaking to victims of colleen and he came in to go on and on about his experience with josh. if that’s his experience he’s more than welcome to share it, but i do remember even before hearing what swoop had to say that i got an impression that johnny thought what he had to say was more important than anyone else’s story.

[@nikolaast]

At the time it didnt seem weird. Now I cant watch it again, Hes literally talking soo much and saying nothing. Also Ethan asks open ended questions to the group and Johnny chimes in every time.

[@lillyhummer4997]

I am unfortunately a former Colleen fan (I was fooled by her ability to act kind I know she is a monster now) so I am interested in this episode but I see why others don’t and are sick of this. Please just be nice to olivia. I feel like she has a similar long past with Colleen and the fandom as I do which is why she made this. It’s ok to criticize but don’t personally attack out girl.

[@lillymeyer8524]

the reddit is being so mean to olivia & it saddened me. people switch up so quick, everyone was loving the powerpoints when it was stuff they were ok with. but they’re bored w colleen and blame it on olivia

[@emgrmc]

@@lillymeyer8524 no literally it was pissing me off so bad like this shit is DRAMA like wtf. and what Swoop is doing is rare, exclusive ass shit why tf would you not want H3 to react?????

[@aliciab6745]

As they platformed Johnny and have followed the story thus far, they most likely feel that it’s necessary to bring these recent discoveries to light

[@mers624]

​@aliciab6745 100% they need to shed more light after having Johnny on the show. Love Olivia!! Also former colleen fan ugh. C Tricked me good.

[@dobermanracing]

​@@lillymeyer8524there will always be some dicks but most of them just wanted to voice their opinion this segment was hella boring when it went on for so long.

[@withpeacelove366]

I'm not very surprised with the Johnney stuff at all. When H3 did the initial interview before, Johnney really rubbed me the wrong way. I felt like the grooming allegations the other kids had towards the members of the Ballinger clan were pretty specific and severe (you know bc all of them regarded grooming kids sexually) but Johnney's just seemed like he was talking about how his boss's friend was kinda shitty to him on a few occasions. It seemed odd to me that he was there when the other kid's allegations were more severe, yet he took over the whole conversation. He seemed very excited to talk a lot, like he liked the attention or something, but the other kids really didn't give off that vibe. I might have even commented under that video that his allegations didn't really seem bad or related in comparison to the other kids and that he took over the convo despite this, or maybe I didn't comment because you never really want to discredit someone who views themselves as a victim because as an outside person you don't know the whole story, but I remember at least having these feelings watching the original H3 interview.

[@paulinezugzwang1773]

Yeah I remember the first time I heard about him on h3 it was regarding a tweet he made about how little money he was paid for touring with Colleen. Im all for workers rights but I don't think it belongs in a conversation about grooming allegations. (plus he was an adult at the time).

[@LadyAurian]

Same! I even went back to that episode to see if I found a comment, because I remember feeling it so strongly and sort of wondering if others had gotten the same vibe but also obviously not wanting to in any way invalidate a victims experience. I think I did post something as a reply to another post saying that I wish we'd gotten a bit more out of Becky and Oliver, but I couldn't find it now. It's really interesting to scroll through now and see so many of us reacted the same way during that interview, feeling he took over despite having the least to add to the conversation.

[@mary1412]

So glad y’all talked about this and set the record straight! Swoop is so amazing. The research and time she took on this was incredible. And I’m so glad y’all are getting the truth out there since he came on YOUR show and tried to turn your audience the wrong way.

[@dowobeha6875]

As for adults speaking with children, I'm a gamer who's a grandma. I find that the young ones are especially fascinated by an older gamer. I enjoy talking with them, but on safe topics like the game we're playing and general stuff like that. If it comes to more serious issues, I give the "talk to your parents" advice and gently guide them back to the game or, lucky for me, I train animals, so that's always a winning topic.

[@Ipipeyourmom]

I can think of any positive interaction I’ve had online and it’s always been as you described, something heavily related to the game and short. The one person I added I met on ark survival and after a while of not talking I got back into the game and he set up a base for me alongside his. We didn’t really play together but every once and a while he would bring supplies and check up on me. Very wholesome.

[@CarlyDigsItMC]

I'm a mom over 40 who's also a gamer with a KZbin channel. I have a great relationship with some of the young folk I play with, I love being an ear for their venting, but I'll always steer them back to their parents, family, trusted IRL people when it comes to the serious stuff. I don't want to ever mislead a young person and wind up in a situation like this

[@sandrae2398]

Just curious are there any games you recommend? :)

[@CarlyDigsItMC]

@@sandrae2398 I play almost exclusively Minecraft 😅 keen to branch out eventually though!

[@dowobeha6875]

@@CarlyDigsItMC Exactly! I try to keep it light and fun, but I also let them vent as it's better to come out than pent up and adding on to their stress. It's a very fine line, but a rewarding one when kept straight. : )

[@jopogeo]

johnny didn't have to claim a grooming narrative. he could have said he developed a crush as a teen and felt unseen by the person he idolized, which harbored resentment against joshua in him. it's normal, especially for a young queer person, to cling to a kind person even if they're only given an ounce of attention by them. navigating love and attention as a queer youth is difficult enough and johnny never needed to spin it into a whole traumatic story in order for people to feel for him. you don't have to be a victim of something serious to get sympathy for a hurting heart. johnny completely dillutes the implications that the word "grooming" holds. i don't really understand what "non-sexual" grooming would mean, because the definition is used to describe the tactics adult use to lead up to sexual exploitation of a child. i think johnny feels betrayed by joshua, because he had developed a crush on him and gave all interactions much higher significance than they had, and associated that betrayl with his understanding of what grooming is. idk he seems really selfish and like he believes that anything that happened to him is worse than anything that has happened to other people. it's almost as if he wants to have gone through henious things just to justify his hatred for joshua- without having any idea what heinous things actually feel like. god this guy really sucks and is definitely using the colleen thing to make it about himself and get revenge for unrequited love. grooming is serious and i really hope that society's newfound acceptance for the term doesn't lose it's significance due to overuse. we've seen that happen with words like "gaslighting," "panic attack," and "traumatic," and it would be sad to see if all of the words survivors use to articulate their experience end up lost.

[@ee5647]

The fact that Johnny still has that ball of duct tape to this day says a lot…..

[@destinydelao52]

mans was infatuated

[@xxxxxxxxx1652]

he is obsessive and creepy

[@TL-mc6lz]

I feel like I have to say since it came up, as a teacher, it is NEVER appropriate to be messaging kids privately! We have emails monitored by tech admins, or other school approved learning platforms to use for communicating digitally. I also only ever call parents by using *67 to block my cell number since I don't have a school phone. The closest thing to texting that I allow is using the remind app, which acts like a proxy to mask both parties private numbers, and have only ever used it for last minute reminders or changes to info, or quick questions only related to school activities. It's also a must to have every personal social media set to private. Any teacher doing anything more than that really needs to re-think the risks.

[@nopeee420]

I called Johnny being a narc about 20 minutes into his interview episode, DUDE NEVER SHUT TF UP!

[@SuburbanPrncess]

Literallyyy he keep talking but wasn’t saying shit at the same time😭! Sidenote you have sick ass hair in your pfp🤠

[@nopeee420]

@@SuburbanPrncess just talking in circles 😭😭 & THANK YOU! 🫶🏽🥰

[@0rangebanana]

Yep

[@Siberius-]

42:44 - Glad they really recommended that we watch Swoop's video, because holy shit that was an incredible video on so many levels. She is such a fucking awesome person. A really supportive and good space for particularly anyone with experience with abuse or are close to someone who has experienced that. Now I'm back here to watch this episode!

[@naomitenorio2852]

Dan being so happy about talking to a pig in Balbur's gate III and then getting all sad when Cam said it would probably be slaughtered. I feel for you man 🥺

[@codys3084]

Olivia missed the biggest part of why Johnny posting her nudes was inappropriate, it was because he posted them and said he only posted them publicly to get back at trisha for not condemning Colleen and it would force her to now speak poorly of Colleen publicly….

[@Ilovedallthepeople]

I dont really think it matters since the end result is the same

[@DnZnFO]

@@Ilovedallthepeoplewell one of these reasonings could potentially be seen as revenge porn so intentions are important

[@dannorex]

whattttt?! that is some manipulative ass shit holy shit

[@Ilovedallthepeople]

@@DnZnFO It is important for Trisha if she wants to present charged, it isnt relevant for this video in specific.

[@weirdhousewivesclub]

Yeah Trisha has said that had he wanted to, he could have reached out to her business email and the info would have been forwarded to her, so he had no need to post the info publicly. He felt entitled to her making a comment so he posted them and said something to the effect of "well it got her to finally say something"

[@clancybolton]

Shout out to the crew for handling Ethan’s hematologist video call like a well oiled intermission. ❤

[@Itsizzyduhhh]

I knew it. I got such a weird vibe from Johnny while listening to him speak when he was on the podcast! Most of the things he was saying didn’t really add up.

[@kx175]

Literally I was like idk why but he didn’t fit into the story like the rest. I feel like swoop/Olivia/Ethan’s theory that he had romantic feelings for josh was correct.

[@sp000kyyuki]

It's genuinely the most wholesome thing to see Ian & Cam using their coloring books.. Omg I adore

[@TheCbass.]

This is one of those times i literally went and watched the whole Swoop series before even watching this episode. Really worth having all the context.

[@rikkirikki4892]

I have so many thoughts on Josh’s reaction/replies. This seems even more innocuous than Ethan saw it as to me. It genuinely feels like Josh was trying to be kind to a big fan but he quite clearly wasn’t interested in talking to him. It seemed to be like he just didn’t want to be mean or let him down. Awful decision making for sure - I would not have made those decisions for sure and in the context of Colleen it seems even worse. But on its own, I truly just think Josh was trying to be kind to a fan without making him feel unappreciated.

[@nick-uo3js]

swoop’s documentary series has been so enlightening and so well made. definitely worth the watch.

[@KierstenReadsALot]

Best part of the show: Ian showing off his coloring book and cam showing off his sketchbook

[@RIPTIDEsounds]

As a big fan and member living in Cedar Rapids, writer of the content court theme song, halloween themes, a few thumbnails, I never feel closer to the show than the "im just chillin in cedar rapids" clip playing and it gets me so good.

[@starrvictoria1829]

I live in Cedar Falls, and I feel the same. Just for Iowa to be mentioned makes me feel seen.

[@2eachaccording]

❤

[@mariahm6059]

YESS it hits every time

[@sturdybutter]

Let’s be real, that soundbite is the best and only good thing about Cedar Rapids

[@samanthakaylynn]

Love seeing a fellow iowan in the comments

[@Racheous]

Ethan saying “This is so many layers deep. We’re in the tenth layer of hell right now” was so spot on 😅

[@Racheous]

“The Catholic Church” 😅

[@loiteringwithlilly]

ethan saying he cant imagine having cancer and dan saying u might not have to imagine 💀💀💀💀

[@siobhan4874]

Johnny was in love with Josh and went total stalker vibes and is now trying to ruin him.

[@ahhhndy]

That’s the vibe I get too. It’s crazy, but I hope Johnny can stop and move on. He must be so miserable to do all this shit, that’s sad.

[@yesseniapozuelos8787]

I don't know much about Josh but seems like he wasn't doing nome of that shit college was and am I wrong is he trying to say Josh is gay he's married with kids now no??never followed him but heard stuff about him

[@bibsp3556]

That's how it looks for sure

[@natalie17heredia]

That's some sociopathic level planning if this is all because his love was unrequited. (allegedly)

[@bibsp3556]

@@natalie17heredia they're out there

[@stevnated]

It makes me so happy that they touched on all of the points I have issue with regarding Swoop's video. I feel like Ethan is very fair-minded about cancellations because he's been the target of them before. And of course Dan is always objective and has the best takes, and Kudos to Olivia for putting it together!

[@alex_ma1ex]

Dan is the queen, Dan can do no wrong. Except for ruining Disney trips I guess

[@cosmicnic]

dan has never looked good!

[@xnes8]

Well Johnny’s story about the hotel room was excruciating to listen. There was never a point or fact that made it seem like anyone did anything wrong to him. He kept going trying to find a way to have a moment but it never happened. That should have been a red flag to everyone

[@beckthter]

I know, here were ppl who were literally treated inappropriately as minors and you’re here whining that you had to sleep in a different bed on tour as a grown-ass adult… I was like ‘Why is this guy even here?’

[@sashagemini7623]

Johnny has given me WEIRD ass vibes since DAY 1. The way he latched onto Adam and tried to ride his coattails (if you can even call them that) is absolutely INSANE. I will be the first to admit that I have never been the hugest fan of Adam...but this makes me look at Adam in a different light. I've never said anything unkind about him, but I think I believe Adam a little bit more after all of this mess. This is ridiculous.

[@pipergenkin1688]

i agree... Adam has always given me weird vibes because he seems to want to go beyond exposing Colleen... unlike others its like he wants to capitalize off his interactions and experiences to build a youtube by dragging Colleen (whether its justified or not). the thing about Johnny is that I also totally get that weird vibe. like Ethan said he hogged a lot of the screen time when they brought on the other alleged victims of colleen, like he kinda wanted extra attention and sympathy for his situation

[@carnuatus]

Ok, thank you, someone said it. Everyone gets so up in arms that no one believed Adam at the beginning of all this. I didn't. Because of how sensationalist He Is about Everything. I didn't believe him initially because I thought he just wanted attention. At the same time, though, I always got mean girl vibes from Colleen.

[@nilsuylmaz4117]

adam is so chill idk what y’all are on

[@Lucaz99]

@@pipergenkin1688I think Adam already built a platform really. He did so independently of the Colleen drama because for 3 years he got shit for that. But now he has been vindicated as grow as a consequence

[@sashagemini7623]

@@nilsuylmaz4117 He's made like 15 videos on the situation. That will always give me slightly clout chaser vibes. Even if I do believe him a little more now. As a sexual assault and emotional abuse survivor, I hated every minute of having to relive the trauma I went through (I ended up taking my abuser to court.) I just don't think I could ever film myself talking about it over and over for fame and profit. That's just my experience. Get that bad though, Adam. Whatever helps you heal.

[@bluepanda.]

I will never understand these people talking to minors. By the time I was 19 I didn’t have any interest in talking to a minor about anything

[@AllysonKing]

I completely agree though I was a teacher so like in my profession I was forced to interact with like kindergarten age kids with a little brother like fifteen so in passing so I can see why sometimes it’s okay to talk but not like friends or social media wise

[@poopfartlord9695]

I mean that's you? You can have completely enjoyable conversation with younger people. You're trying to overcorrect in a wierd way. Don't be one of those people that makes men feel uncomfortable interacting with young children because of some weird perception.

[@banquetoftheleviathan1404]

Yeah at least they didn’t need to be around any of what we were getting up to, just pose a liability.

[@delaneygammons6462]

I’m sorry but these red carpet pictures of the crew are about to hit so hard and I know Hila is about to pull a LOOOK

[@AlexaLink]

The synchronized “ted cruz style” @ 1:02:00 by dan and ethan was so good 😂

[@mollygrave2724]

I read this comment at the very moment after that happened in the episode somehow perfect timing 😂

[@Kelly-ls6qz]

@@mollygrave2724so did I! 😂

[@connorsmith8714]

I didn’t wanna say it but when they first did the Johnny interview I knew something was up with him. Anybody agree?

[@Lenina_K]

He had so much to say... To the point where others couldn't get a word in at some points. It was highly sus to me

[@sourcherryplum]

Yup. He kept copying people's story and saying shit like "that's a real person and that's a real thing that happened to me" mm no

[@sydneylikethecity]

Yea. Realizing that now myself. Was just telling my boyfriend that when we first watched that episode, we didn’t think much of any weird vibes we MAY have been feeling. But now looking back we’re realizing those bad vibes were legitimate. Always trust your gut!!

[@carnuatus]

I said this under another comment but when he was super flippant about Grace Helbig not chiming in on the situation - which, why should she, she wasn't besties with Colleen, those era of YTers all just collabed with each other because it was ~the thing~ - BECAUSE OF HER CANCER DIAGNOSIS, which he nearly seemed to sneer about I knew something was suss.

[@poopfartlord9695]

Yeah, mainly because he said a whole lot of nothing and didn't really allege anything serious, unlike the other victims.

[@nayemorusa6244]

Dan being excited about going to the Streamies is something I couldn’t have predicted I am so happy for him and the crew hope they have a great time and tell us everything bout it

[@Steg1118]

h3 thank you all for making this content, I'm day 2 into college and the podcast helps me feel at home and makes all the change easier.

[@angelinakodjabashia7416]

omg i’m starting in like a month i’ll be in ur shoes soon

[@senecaclark5776]

Monday is the new Off The Rails with these 4 hour pods and I’m here for it

[@jimmcnicholas9670]

Four hour podcast with 3hours of braindead drama content

[@ademoss80]

Someone on Reddit theorizes that when Colleen has her ukulele she's trying to come across small & innocent when she's trying to get away with it basically while doing shady shit.

[@snoozyq9576]

That's what many people on KZbin have said as well.

[@kommstheir]

Well duh lol why else would she do it?

[@HolliGenett]

Y'all should do a Teddy Fresh collab with SoriSora. ❤

[@idrathernot4012]

May be better as h3 merch since they like to keep a divide between the podcast and teddy fresh.

[@lauraxbray]

YESS they need to do a merch collab with them!! @@idrathernot4012

[@ash-is-napping]

We would love either. We love SoriSora ❤

[@megsull2341]

Adolescent Mental Health Therapist here! I do want to acknowledge that if a child showed me the Twitter conversation, I definitely would make a report in regard to labor exploitation. Now, do I think a lot of things are being blown out of proportion? Yes, and it’s always important to look at both perspectives! Thanks for the great content! H3H3!!

[@allisonannfairchild9918]

Just commenting to say I am also a child & adolescent therapist! Thanks for the work you do 🙂

[@breetoldyouso]

If you’re talking about Johnny/Josh, Johnny was an adult when asked about running the account

[@kalilili]

​@@breetoldyousowasn't it in 2013

[@Lucaz99]

The difference between Johnny/Josh and Colleen/Adam is that Josh just gave the account to Johnny and Johnny would tweet from it if he wanted to because he had the user and pw. Josh never held this account over his head as part of a job offer like Colleen did. Josh would not oversee posts made in that account while Colleen would.

[@kiryn5977]

@@Lucaz99 I really wish they had included this context in their powerpoint, or at least the part where Swoop broke down the differences between the work Adam and Johnny were doing for the twitter accounts. Bc you're right, there are important differences there. At the very least, if they want to stay informed and make further commentary on this situation, I do hope they actually watch Swoop's video in full, as all this ep is really showing to me is that only getting broken up pieces of information is making things confusing for them when it didn't need to be. Swoop carefully crafted her video in the way that she did for a reason, and all this skipping around is thoroughly interrupting the clear, steady stream of information that the viewer is supposed to be getting from this video.

[@supersenft1]

I would love a soundbite of Johnny saying he was in group chats with minors "and ill be the first person to say it"