The Fate Of Frenemies With Dr. Drew - Frenemies #14

[@baabaq9126]

Moses really needs to be held accountable for his role in this misunderstanding

[@taranahadi3326]

YES THATS WHAT IM SAYING. the root of the problem IS moses

[@tikabanks7927]

Yes. He needs to step the heck up and tell them both to cut it out. He needs to tell Trisha to stop saying stuff like that, first off if he is telling her that stuff in private, she needs to keep it in private. And he needs to tell them to stop talking about Trisha on their podcast. Simple as that.

[@summerwatson9295]

This.👏🏼 Accountability!

[@crystolas.]

AGREED

[@moritlh]

His personality is so weak

[@kimscissorhands]

Ethan: she tried to run me over with her car Dr drew: You’re allowing yourself to be run over

[@emmaispunk]

Omgggg 😂😂😂

[@GabriellaT21]

Lol - that's funny.

[@g3n3ssy]

@@emmaispunk what part does this happen at

[@kimscissorhands]

@@g3n3ssy its just a joke. Ethan said trisha was driving a wedge between hila’s family and dr drew said no, you’re allowing a wedge to be driven.... bruh

[@AquaTornado]

Made me laff

[@lillygreenwood3499]

As a licensed therapist, I am so aggravated. Dr. Drew is a joke just like Dr. Phil. Dr. Drew specializes in substance use, he should not be holding these sessions with them

[@katierobbins6567]

For dr. Drws defense he did say they arent his patients and not a real session. But I do agree with you, he should stick with what he knows.

[@iisabellasays]

Hes such a joke, he oddly has to assert his dominance and bully men who are more in tuned with their emotions like ethan and bobby lee (hes just as unbearable when talking to bobby lee)

[@inuandkagome4eva]

He's a huge quack... any licensed therapist would never put all the blame of someone else's outbursts on a secondary person. Also thank you for saying Dr. Phil too, he hasnt had a valid license in a very long while.

[@williamriverazavala748]

I thought he did pretty good with this mess. You must be a trish hater......because someone actually backed her up......he was bad at his job??? Pathetic and predictably lame. Ethan DOES nag and push constantly its annoying.

[@Samlovescornbread]

Yikes where did you get your licensing and where do you practice? Bc I’d like to avoid you at all cost. A specialization does not mean you cannot provide other types of therapy. I’d think you would’ve learned that in your schooling?

[@manuelacharberger]

It's been almost 3 years and dr drew still INFURIATES me

[@Caroline-tb8eh]

Me too like God damn

[@daniasacc]

to the max.

[@Ecutt]

Literally such a quack

[@nick_nic_nico]

Same I'm rewatching all of frenemies and I almost skipped this episode

[@Caroline-tb8eh]

@@nick_nic_nico No fr I always skip it tbh

[@random_user91614]

Dr Drew is 100% subscribed to Trisha's onlyfans

[@Princessbubblegum567]

That means he must be into the sweet home Alabama kinks 🤢

[@gabrielasantiago3472]

@@Princessbubblegum567 She’s not...... so no LMAO

[@tia2073]

He is a simp for her

[@Princessbubblegum567]

Tia Patterson dang his standard is so low it’s sad lol

[@Princessbubblegum567]

Gabriela Santiago ah you must’ve forgotten about her “playful” adult content she made with her mom and sister 🤡

[@hairyfrankfurt]

The fact that Ethan is the kind of person who is not a "bye forever" person is so healthy for Trish to learn good relationship management

[@MyrissaRhodonite]

i want more of these comments and less of the ones saying it’s not ethan’s job to manage her or not push her over the edge. he’s choosing to stick around and be a better friend to her

[@samasanchez86]

Yes I think trish needs that. Someone who is calling her out on her shit but does it Bc he cares not Bc he wants to hurt her

[@zby7592]

Not to mention he'll say anything he needs to say to her face and always listen to what she says in return instead of denying her feelings and shutting her down. I think these are the first people she's had in her life in awhile she can't sway with gifts and spotlight and it's going to be a long road to accept these people like her for herself and aren't using her. These are not going to be her most comfortable friendships, but I think they will be her realest and I hope she keeps them all in her life.

[@rubyfdzz]

I love this comment 💕☺️

[@lindsaynoellov]

He kinda has to for the sake of the family ..If Moses broke up with her the next taiame Trisha through one of her crazy fits Ethan would be done.

[@user-xg9wb9zs7j]

why is ethan's mental health not considered? its like dr drew is saying he doesnt get to have feelings

[@destinyweaver5656]

Dr. Drew makes it out like it’s “Ethan’s job to contain Trisha” …. No sir. Ethan’s feelings are valid and Trisha is responsible for her own emotions and lashing out.

[@maybe1daysoon]

Thank you!!!!

[@clairedixon5471]

@@rachael_thrasher this is exactly what I think too! Dr Drew realizes how severely fucked up Trisha is and sees that Ethan is incredibly well-adjusted in comparison. It’s probably not great that he basically dismisses Ethan’s problems just because Trisha’s are worse, but I feel like on a podcast we shouldn’t expect like a real therapy session. I feel like Trisha SHOULD be treated as a case study that Ethan signs up to deal with (or not, which obviously he decided not to deal with it ultimately)

[@VanillabeanEP]

It’s not ethans job to completely put up with anything Trisha does, that’s when his mental health will start to decline

[@shaylarobinson9459]

I agree. Just because she has special issues doesn’t just invalidate his feelings and needs . There should be a boundary, she is capable of understanding the illness, all the way to using it as an excuse. She could be dealing with it better some of the stuff is just out of hand and the fact she gets to come back and not take this serious, she’s laughing throughout the whole video in parts , she should realize how she acts is really a problem and needs to take this more seriously.

[@bellawest111]

ethan: “trisha tried to run me over” dr drew: “see that’s just one of her episodes”

[@SparkleBunStudio]

@georgexander7170this is completely unrelated 😭

[@adwiii9934]

@georgexander7170bye what 😭

[@Atan55555]

​@georgexander7170George, no. No, George.

[@Atan55555]

@georgexander7170 lmao. Trans people are the gender they say they are. And THAT'S basic ass biology. Grow tf up.

[@roseee008]

@georgexander7170ik ur a kid it's really obvious but that's such a horrible comparison like where did that even come from dude

[@chapinamorena]

Ethan: can I say something? Dr drew: absolutely not

[@johvanny6538]

Fr!

[@dreamerdemX]

😂😂😂

[@expensivepink7]

LMAOOOO forreal

[@liajane9161]

looool literally it was driving me mad !! :(

[@trixyvellin5892]

that part really bothered me. and then dr drew dismisses him with "thats not important"

[@MarCynthiaa]

Ethan: I can take Trisha’s jabs, but its affecting my wife and her family Dr. Drew: Stop. That’s not important

[@samanthaecotothermia7896]

LOL truuuuuuuuu

[@Steph568]

I mean he’s not wrong. Hila and Moses are grown ass adults and they need to work out what ever weird relationship thing they are going through and stop using Trisha. I mean Moses tells Trisha he hates his family and Hila tells Ethan to tell Trisha not to talk about her or her family. None of these people are actually talking to the person they should be and working it out amongst them. I mean god damn these are actual adults

[@aaliyahm7420]

Exactly. He is pissing me off so much and im only 25 minutes in.

[@BreakfastCruiser]

shitting on dr drew gang rise up 😎

[@lebunnie]

Dr Drew is so wrong for that lol. That's the main problem Ethan has with Trisha from my perspective.

[@ginarice903]

Wait so trisha can literally drive a wedge between family members and ethan is in the wrong for not just ignoring it?? this is stupid af

[@roseee008]

ong bro

[@julianacelyn]

for real it’s literally so unfair how dr drew tries to “help” the situation or whatever but immediately sides with trisha and basically says that she gets a pass for doing things that cause problems just because it’s “just what she does” like

[@curiouslycara]

Watching this 10 months later, wow. Dr. Drew completely blows off Ethan from the start, in the beginning he said “well that’s not even important” what? A brother and sister are being wedged apart due to Trishas actions and his PROFESSIONAL advice is to”relax and let it happen” WHAT

[@bumpasaurus487]

he was so condescending from the beginning and biased towards ethan. i remember watching this when it first aired and being pissed at all of "Dr" drews takes. everything he says is ethan has to deal with trisha cause she has special behavior that invalidates anything ethan is going through or dealing with.

[@anaya1515]

literally! It’s so rude the way he just cuts him off and ignores him. I realized he was doing this the first time he was on the podcast.

[@anabeny6262]

!!!!!!!!

[@annaw5201]

Dr. Drew is not a therapist.

[@So1oman5000]

​@@annaw5201 He should stop cosplaying as one than.

[@juliawilliams7219]

ethan: this is how me and my wife feel literal therapist: don’t care it’s your fault ❤️

[@ANAMARIA_BTC]

The heart got me 🤣

[@crocodileeye1141]

He’s an MD not a therapist

[@maxmeier532]

@@crocodileeye1141 whether or not this MD is a therapist, an MD generally can be a therapist, so your logic is off.

[@crocodileeye1141]

@@maxmeier532 MDs and therapists are completely different. In fact not even close to the same profession.

[@rationallyruby]

@@maxmeier532 what? Hell no... an MD is most definitely not a therapist....

[@Agueda26]

What kind of licenced Doctor/Therapist says "Just relax" to their patient? Ethan could not be any more calm, patient and reasonable. Dr drew is a joke.

[@aidenmiranda1218]

I 100% agree

[@calivibes_84]

Ethan is one of the most chill ppl I’ve seen. Can’t believe the “doctor” said that. I wouldn’t have made it past that point if I were Ethan.

[@namehere5231]

according to one comment down here, he's just a "specialist" you know like hyram

[@Agueda26]

@@namehere5231 even then he is incompetent as a specialist xD

[@SirBlackReeds]

@@calivibes_84 He's not chill. He's lethargic.

[@ricky-lee7553]

Ethan: *Breathes* Dr Drew: "You're in the wrong."

[@amberlynnweed1337]

trisha : calls ethan’s wife a c*nt dr drew: ethan you’re wrong

[@earfwerm]

Ethan: Escalates every situation with Trisha and pokes the bear till it attacks His fans: HE’S A SAINT LEAVE HIM ALOVE

[@puncakerygaming1548]

@@earfwerm stop simping for trisha in the comments lmao

[@BronzeBellaBria]

Ethan is too controlling on the podcast IMO. So he needs an authority figure like Dr. Drew who likes the sound of his own voice to counter him.

[@EmperfectXO]

@@earfwerm you’re on several posts commenting the same thing. If you don’t like Ethan just say so.

[@piperhealey410]

I'm glad Ethan stands up for himself against Dr. Drew because he's is subtly attacking Ethan for no reason throughout the whole video

[@triciajane101]

I thought this too, it's like passive aggression

[@hogkan]

as someone with a BPD diagnosis (because of trisha, lmfao) this was incredibly frustrating to rewatch for this exact reason

[@spookyspaghett1]

@@hogkanI feel like he’s very enabling to Trisha’s issues and it’s not helping anyone in fact it’s hurting.

[@sneis95]

I have bpd also and the biggest part of my treatment has been taking responsibility for MY actions, not putting blame on other people's reactions to me!! And medication lol. Trisha will never get better if she doesnt take some damn responsibility and ​not verbally abuse people. @hogkan

[@FUTELOCO757]

“That’s not important” Ethan: 👁👄👁

[@karlita143]

hated that!!

[@nnikkittenn]

Yep that might have come across as rude but Dr. Drew understood the situation going on without having to know the extra tiny bit of info ethan felt like he needed to add to defend Hila.

[@John-qk4mk]

@@Studio60Design nah just a good doc

[@amberlynnweed1337]

dr drew isn’t even a doctor

[@mandareborn]

IMAGINE if he said that to Trish tho. i couldnt believe how Drew was speaking to Ethan in the beginning. i thought he would be impartial

[@zachwbc]

Imagine going to a therapist and they cut you off and say "that's not important" while you're trying to explain something

[@annalouise2313]

Yeah that really annoyed me!!!

[@aschomm1572]

He’s not a therapist though. He’s an internal medicine doctor.

[@sarahlara8420]

Dr Drew is kind of a dick 😳

[@technicallytrying]

@@sarahlara8420 What if it is completely unproductive to the overall process....??!?!?!??

[@nataliazendejas3305]

Yes I was shocked that was so rude

[@Michellecrossan]

‘I’m never going to abandon you’ , is probably the nicest thing he could have ever said to her. I think this friendship/ family is actually good for them both. They’re learning a lot about themselves through it all and I hope they stay friends 🤗

[@Graphitedust]

This is the first positive comment I’ve seen 💗

[@h.8691]

@@schnooleheletteletto Hey now. Dont speak for all people with bpd or mental problems thats really insensitive and condescending. If someone is willing to put in the effort and prove that they are not their mental illness then they are capable of maintaining any type of relationship. These types of comments can be hurtful to those affected by mental problems.

[@Michellecrossan]

@@schnooleheletteletto I feel like everyone with a mental illness has the ability to learn ways of coping and maintain relationships. And it’s important to encourage them too and not just assume they’ll mess up. Everyone deserves a chance.

[@odakruger858]

Time stamp?

[@Michellecrossan]

@@h.8691 I agree , it’s not fair to label everyone the same way or put anyone in a box. If someone had a physical injury they wouldn’t be spoken about that way

[@dominiquedelreal675]

I’m rewatching episodes now and why is no one questioning Moses? Because he’s the common denominator in all this. He is telling Trisha one thing and then Hila another. Trisha wasn’t driving a wedge, she is just saying information that is being told to her by Moses. It seemed like Moses was acting differently with Trisha and his family. In summary, Moses was definitely the issue and the person driving the wedge between everyone.

[@Shortlover59x]

I completely agree with your analysis also given he is like 10 years older than her too. Like it just seems so sus.

[@esunshinexo]

i think that’s why they’re still at odd ends now. the main issue deep down was moses but with a big personality like trisha who has her own piece in destroying the relationship/family, he was overlooked. by the viewers anyways.

[@txshknj.]

deffo Ethan said something in a podcast which ppl presumed was him trying to say they would probs make up with Trisha easier than Moses.

[@LucyBowman]

sooooooooo true

[@ginac.6567]

period

[@balexis1562]

I have literally never commented on KZbin before, but this pissed me off so much. Dr. Drew is not a licensed counselor or therapist. He is a drug and addiction specialist. He works in medicine for people detoxing, not psychology or therapy. His degrees are in biology and medicine. He has no qualification for acting like he is an authority on mental illness, relationships, or anything having to do with psychology that is not drug or addiction related. To make matters worse, he is a creep. I had to stop reading his book because he kept complaining about how he couldn't stop being sexually attracted to one of his rehab patients. Gross. I hope they see someone qualified next time so they can BOTH feel valid in their emotions. I also hope Dr. Drew stops pretending to be a psychologist.

[@alleswatikkan]

@Lynn V. bruhh thats weird as F. But i do have to say, last episode and the things he was saying on Trishas behavior were very correct, as I have been going through the same illness (is that what I should call it in english?) and have also been seeking therapy a lot. I have to admit my therapist is a GREAT and VERT experienced licensed therapist and He has helped me in extreme amount. So idk. Drew might not be licensed, but he do know lots of accurate stuff... (?)

[@largeautomobile]

I agree. So many of his speaking points in both episodes have been completely wrong. + he kept shutting Ethan down when he had valid complaints abt Trisha's behavior. Maybe he's siding with Trish so much because he's biased & attracted to her like his former patient. he's literally victim blaming Ethan for daring to react to Trisha provoking and insulting him.

[@annie.phoenix]

God, I love you for commenting on that. Just 9 minutes in he is already cutting Ethan off in his recap of what went down, and saying what he added wasn't important. I'm not a therapist but my dad is a psychiatrist, my mom a psychologyst and I've been to therapy a total of around 8 years with psychoanalysts. As I said before, even 9 minutes in he's already showing a weighted opinion towards Trisha and not giving Ethan the chance to open up about his feelings and perception of the situtation. It makes me so mad that they regard any of his actions as something a mental health professional would do

[@balexis1562]

@@largeautomobile Thats exactly everything I was thinking haha

[@balexis1562]

@@annie.phoenix Agreed! I have been in therapy since I was young, my dad is a psychologist, and I am getting my masters in clinical mental health counseling. So I'm not an expert, but counseling practice is important to me. Forget therapy, even on a human level he is doing a disservice to Ethan because he is showing him no compassion.

[@dakotajones2799]

Dr. Drew barely interrupts Trish but as soon as Ethan begins speaking he gets cut off immediately and can’t get a word in edgewise. Dr. Drew basically told Ethan to shut up without literally saying it.

[@cady__]

Ethan asked him to come on the show and deal with Trish

[@dakotajones2799]

@@cady__ he should (as a doctor) help Trisha and Ethan both. How was he supposed to help Trish without helping (and listening to) Ethan as well , since they are supposed to coexist for the show. There is always two sides to a story. Trisha and Ethan should both have been listened to as far as what every “therapy” they were doing to help Trish.He shouldn’t have told Ethan that what he was saying was not important or not needed what he should’ve done was told Ethan how he could de-escalate a situation with Trish to keep her calm and how to help himself from saying things that might trigger her.

[@cady__]

@@dakotajones2799he said at the beginning he wasn’t acting as their doctor - Ethan didn’t ask him to do that either - he asked him on as to have an informational episode to help him, and dr drew did that. He explained BPD, and said that those things aren’t important to someone with BPD because A, B, C. He didn’t say ethan’s feelings weren’t important, he never once said anything like that - he said in trish’s mind this is how things go and she literally doesn’t care if you make a logical list, she goes into wrath and Goes off. He also didn’t excuse what Trish said either, what she did was wrong and everyone agreed on that at different point of the show. He just tried to explain her mind. The fact that you’re obsessing over the words “that’s not important” and taking them so literal without listening to the whole conversation is your thing - but that’s not what Dr Drew meant, and they all discussed that in other points of the episode too. later on when they did the test Dr Drew mentions that he was worried about Ethan specifically with having boundaries because he doesn’t want him to get hurt. He obviously expressed multiple times in the episode he cares that they both are okay. Ethan said he knows what he meant and he also knows what he pre-planned with everyone, and the arc he wanted for the episode. Stop making one person a scapegoat in a situation when Ethan also literally had her do a personality test to prove all this shit about her and say see she’s a narcissist, and know he’s gonna get a better score. I like Ethan, and he’s funny but let’s not pretend he’s a saint when he’s the one who planned the whole episode to go this way.

[@dakotajones2799]

@@cady__ I won’t argue with you any more your obviously not willing to notice the fact that Dr Drew isn’t very professional at all (and in fact he did say and I quote “That’s actually not important” you must’ve just missed what he said after that because your too busy brown-nosing him.)He literally said nothing and went on talking to Trisha.

[@dakotajones2799]

@@cady__ To continue I never once said Ethan was a saint or a scapegoat. I never even insinuated that so before you put words into my mouth maybe you should go back an re-read thx luv.☺️

[@sabrinareyes8756]

Alt title: "Dr". Drew gaslights ethan for an hour and a half

[@lannisterfilth]

*Dr Drew enabling Trisha to get that free OnlyFans content

[@yeetskeet7568]

* "Dr." Drew takes Trisha side out of pity and doesn't listen to ethan

[@otherkonto5921]

@@lannisterfilth 😂

[@angelinao3916]

I agree my therapy for bpd was all about learning to hold myself accountable and learning to cope so it doesnt become the other persons responsibility to manage my emotions and it really bothered me how he kept telling ethan it was his fault for reacting to her. I know he isnt actually their dr or therapist but it seems like he just didnt want to upset Trisha by being honest or holding her accountable. And honestly knowing they had a whole video to get through i cant really blame him given the delicate the situation

[@chenayrodcoco7330]

Ethan : there’s more that I want to say Dr Drew: it doesn’t matter Ethan : *explains Dr Drew: that was not important . Dr Drew is so one sided

[@PurpleTigerLilies19]

It so painful to watch this because of how much “Dr” Drew invalidates Ethans feelings. I was 10 minutes in and I wanted to shut it off

[@Jk-qd4yr]

I'm there right now - i am taking a break to read the comments for a bit because he is frustrating me so much but I don't want to miss an episode

[@aidenmiranda1218]

Me too I really dislike Dr. Drew

[@kierasaurusfrost]

Same. I’m about to turn it off about a half hour in. As a neuroscience major, without even having a degree yet, I can see so many things he is doing wrong in this situation. They should’ve had a real psychologist do this instead

[@joseluismanzana1606]

@@kierasaurusfrost Dr Drew is good at one thing: addiction problems. Everythning else he pretends as if his opinion is worth any more than the average Joe and yet, as we all saw during Covid beginnings, he knows jackshit about most things.

[@ml.9417]

Yikes he isn’t invalidating his feelings at alll...maybe Ethan isn’t as right as you think he is

[@c0zy01]

Trisha: *Stabs Ethan in the throat* Dr. Drew: Well now Ethan, this is why it’s your fault-

[@olivia5187]

fr

[@jaleelshivers226]

The logic kind of makes sense though, like if a dog bites a person...you don’t blame the dog but instead you blame the owner of the dog.

[@meera2334]

@@jaleelshivers226 The problem here is, they aren’t dogs who go by instinct.

[@DoubleMxo]

@@meera2334 they are humans who go by instinct. The way Trisha acts is an instinct.

[@jaleelshivers226]

Meera AlShamsi The goal is to create a healthy podcast environment so that the show can last as long as possible. The realistic solution would be to find a way where Ethan can prevent Trisha’s meltdowns. Trisha isn’t going to change her behavior during one “therapy” session so you can’t expect her to correct her behavior like a “normal” person.

[@bigbudugary1285]

“That is not important” This whole thing is literally about Moses not being real to either Trisha or the family!!

[@birdy__]

No. He's keeping stuff from Trisha because it's his right to do so but also because he knows she's not the problem so why burden her. His private relationship with Trisha is not part of the working relationship with Ethan.. It's up to Ethan and Trisha to make their working relationship, work. Ethan should've made that working boundary very clear much sooner. He has more information and control over the working situation so he has to take responsibility for that.

[@mcatherine5813]

Yes, I agree Moses is a big part of the issue and that should also be addressed...

[@badpepsi]

@COVID i agree. People are reading into this so much, which I personally think reflects on the audience more than the performance. Really, we should be concerned about the level of manipulation that advertisers and creators have reached. This all seems like a lucrative exploit of character, and I think we all know they are aware of it. People with cluster B personality traits either get help or they do not.

[@birdy__]

@COVID So tell me how all of this is Moses' fault then. I'll wait.

[@birdy__]

@COVID The root of the problem is what's going on between Moses, Hila and their family. It needs to stay separate from the podcast in every way. You assume Trisha is what's causing the problems but that's not the case. There could be lots about Moses and his life that their family don't approve of rather than his latest gf. Ethan has even stated it's not Trisha. If Moses is not taking calls or answering texts from family that's his choice. If they're arguing it's not surprising to me. Moses still considers himself Israeli but not Jewish. That could easily be the reason they're arguing. Or his choice of career. Or him coming to live in the US. So many possibilities. But, Hila saying she thinks it's Trisha somehow preventing him from communicating is an extremely provocative thing to say to anyone, let alone Trisha! Trisha's paranoia is what's escalated things no doubt. BUT. Ethan has assumed Trisha's boundaries would be the same as his, he should've known they wouldn't be. Ethan knew far more about Trisha than Moses did, when they started the dating game way back. Boundaries should've been set from the beginning of the podcast if not earlier given the romantic status going on and, all of this wouldn't have happened. If Moses tells Trisha exactly what's going on between him, Hila and their family it would only be a matter of time before she blurted. Which is exactly what none of them want, Trisha included. Part of being involved with Trisha is managing her well documented mental health problems. She accepts that. She overshares, they knew that about her. If Ethan wants to do business with her he has to accept that about her. It's not about fault, it's about reality and practical solutions. Until and if Trisha works through her problems and can control or manage them better herself, it's likely she will blow up again. She needs time and support and guidance. It's obvious. Which is why Ethan said he would never abandon her. He's realising the power he has to help her or hurt her. Trisha has to learn to trust him with that power. You don't like it but the fact is Trisha is the victim. She needs people she can trust around her in order to learn normalcy. To set her straight when she needs it and be supportive when she needs it. But it has to be done with compassion. No anger or aggression. Trisha doesn't even know what all of her triggers are yet because there's so much of her past she doesn't remember. She doesn't understand why she does the things she does yet. She's in the very early stages of her mental health recovery journey. During the course of this podcast Ethan has been shocked to hear some of her life experiences. How matter of fact she is about them. She is so emotionally dissociated there's no wonder she behaves the way she does. She's hypervigilant. Constantly on guard. Anyway, that's the situation as I see it. I have personal experience of being around someone with BPD/DID. She's not a villain and neither is anyone else. There just HAS to be boundaries for everyone's sake.

[@donnamorgan525]

16:52 dr drews aggression towards ethan is so unprofessional. he acts like ethan is supposed to be a professional dealing with bpd and is responsible if she has a meltdown. hes also is a human and is 100% allowed to be upset at someone creating a wedge in his relationships. which ethan was handling so well and gets no credit for it

[@Samantha-es3ss]

Dr Drew saying "that's actually not important" when Ethan was trying to express his point & then Trisha laughing at that comment, made me sus of Drew. Clearly feeding Trish's ego. Probably bc he wants her on his show to exploit her. Putting all the responsibility of balancing emotion on Ethan is outrageous. Trish needs to be responsible for what comes out of her mouth.

[@theamazingalex99]

when he said that my mouth literally dropped!!! i was so mad at dr. drew

[@unseenmolee]

Both times he came on the podcast he sided with Trisha almost exclusively. Kinda hard to listen to drew continuously disrespect Ethan and act like a professional at the same time

[@brookewilson5848]

RIGHT?!!!! i have to stop watching this bc he’s siding so hard with Trisha and being so rude to ethan

[@briannamoreno7712]

When “dr drew” said “yea yea” in response to Ethan’s “you gotta watch the clip” that’s so unprofessional! Why tf didn’t he do his research? She’s so good at playing the victim to people who don’t know the full situation my god

[@princessbubblegum3832]

That last sentence thou. 💯👌 Absolutely.

[@Princessbubblegum567]

So........are we just gonna ignore the fact that Ethan also has depression and struggles with his mental health too or?

[@kateginger]

Its obvious that the "dr" doesn't worry about Ethans mental health, and it's very frustrating

[@ritariza2835]

THIS. I was so frustrated at how one-sided this whole thing was.

[@SmileG333]

This is making me want to write to Dr Drew personally,his approach was very disappointing.

[@KDAnnii]

Exactly my thoughts

[@alanas4312]

yeah but that's not the issue here? they're trying to mitigate trisha's emotional episodes. ethan has more emotional control which is why dr drew puts more of an onus on him. it's not inherently fair but part of being in a relationship with someone with personality disorder that ethan is a consenting (and benefitting) member of. if ethan needs support from trisha for mental health or to take a break for mental health then that absolutely should be a part of the discussion but he has never expressed that in any conversation or the many videos discussing this fight.

[@cat-re5xq]

Dr Drew telling Ethan it wasn’t important when he was trying to explain Moses telling everyone two different stories irritated me so bad because I feel like that’s a huge reason all of this is even happening.

[@nikki1932]

100%

[@kaylaleave]

He’s basically being emotionally manipulative towards Ethan and is disregarding his side and feelings triggered me

[@finaarmania1173]

ok but does anyone else feel like Dr. Drew has a weird bias towards Trisha? I noticed it in the last episode as well. He seems to scold Ethan for everything and tell him he's wrong while being extremely gentle on Trisha. It's like he is scared of her

[@teaseekinggremlin5004]

I feel like he's enabling trisha and completely dismissing Ethan Maybe this would be better if everyone was here or even better in private.

[@unicornbones]

Sure. But Moses and Hila weren't there to speak for themselves. Dr. Drew was focusing on the two people in front of him, and how they communicate. And he was trying to get to the personality test, which was why he was booked. I get the feeling it was a tight schedule.

[@rynx333]

The most problematic part of this whole situation is Dr. Drew

[@MyIloveu12345]

Period

[@GuineaParents]

I think we should blame dr drew for what happened to Frenemies. He’s straight telling Trisha she doesn’t have to control her disorder and that it’s Ethan job to just ignore bad parts

[@ocean4172]

He literally told Trisha she needs to work on this side of her. He never said she doesn't have to control her disorder... He also knows that she's in therapy for this specific reason. They spent time on this the last time Dr. Drew was on.

[@ocean4172]

@Lynn V. Lol I'm not sure why the sarcasm. Everything I said is true so..

[@ocean4172]

@Lynn V. At around 19:00 I believe. For a full understanding you should also watch the previous episode that Dr. Drew was on. He mainly focused on Trisha and the things she needs to do to avoid this. That's where they also talked about the psychotherapy that she's doing specifically to help her try to control the dissociative states she gets into.

[@ocean4172]

@Lynn V. I used to shit on Trisha too. I never understood why she was being so so nasty and emotionless until that episode. Now everytime she gets into one of those states, it's so obvious. She literally shuts down and becomes a different person and it's hard to watch.

[@alexasosa-garciasosa-garci6952]

dr drew honestly did not hit, he literally was like trisha has trauma so ethan suck it up… bro what?

[@tiaamdunord7817]

I feel like Dr Drew should have watched the episode before coming here

[@UltimateGenosyko]

agreed, he should have done his homework first

[@Liz-nb9rq]

Yep it was so hard to explain what happened in the parenting part

[@lorenagonzales6704]

@@Liz-nb9rq I feel so bad for Ethan because out of everything that’s the one thing that personally hurt him you could see it in his face.

[@jamiemelquist8733]

Next time I hope they don’t have a massive fight before he comes. Later in episode he told Trisha danger of mixing two meds he felt she took too close together. It’s his expertise on addictive medicine. He not a therapist the episode makes him look bad

[@joannev8844]

I agree!! I think if he had watched it, he wouldn't be so quick to defend Trisha!

[@nphardin1]

So Moses isn’t on this episode? The one who is creating all the problems should be on to explain himself...

[@liplock000]

Right?! Something is seriously off about that dude. Shady. I don’t trust him at all.

[@starseed4132]

Yes omg

[@roberto125919]

@@liplock000 He just wants Trisha money....I don't blame him it's easy target. Hes trying to play her and getting caught in his own lies.

[@gioovannabp]

Yes! He needs accountability. I definitely think he plays both sides. Trisha wouldn't know personal stuff if he wasn't sharing with her from his perspective

[@RayvenRadellaJackson]

I get the impression he dates people his family disapprove of... Rebellious child.

[@ADivineComic]

Man, doing a rewatch of this series and I forgot what an absolute joke of a professional Dr. Drew is. Had to do some homework on him to see how genuinely toxic and unhelpful he is to people in this situations. Much love to Ethan

[@esunshinexo]

i saved the dr drew episodes for absolute last on my frenemies rewatch binge. these episodes are infuriating. he’s so uneducated on this topic and is just throwing around diagnoses and bs justifications to people who aren’t his patient, who he talks to only via a podcast.. ridiculous

[@gracieshelly5908]

@@esunshinexoI just skip the episodes w Dr. Drew now bc they put me in a bad mood and don’t rlly contribute much to the show as a whole.

[@alexad2991]

Ethan actually didn’t wear Teddy Fresh this ep like Trisha asked him to.

[@nikki1932]

aww, I hadn't noticed. damn, I don't know how to feel about that.

[@antoniaortega9727]

Ethan should wear whatever he wants to wear. It’s his show! He’s the boss!

[@psylad8088]

@Frost she did

[@enfamy_OG]

If my wife built a clothing company I'd rock the hell out of it. I didnt understand that comment

[@immevelin6671]

She would say he always wearing his own Merch , in a way she making fun of him

[@ANGIESWORLD]

I feel bad for Ethan. His feelings are just as important as Trish’s.

[@oneshotrobb7272]

Ethan is just more well adjusted. It’s best to focus on the one that’s unstable I think even Ethan would understand, but i get where you’re coming from.

[@TheO5Council]

@oneshotrobb You're talking about it's better to focus on the one that's more unstable they're both millionaires the real and stable person is the crazy homeless person in the street but you want to focus on Tricia Wright

[@reggaerarify]

The major difference is that Ethan has the capacity to actively interpret that he shouldn't be taking what she is saying when she goes into that mode seriously. Not excusing it or condoning it clearly, but swiftly acknowledging the moment and moving on is a tool Ethan could use very effectively to quell these disputes and focus on the show and the evolution of their relationship and their individual journey. Their feelings both are valid and matter equally, but Ethan's potential ability to control himself in those moments and navigate them for the better of them both is something Trish cannot reciprocate (and thats OK!).

[@marianolasco251]

Exactly

[@oneshotrobb7272]

@@TheO5Council me personally no I focus on me because I’ve got a lot of room to grow, but he were talking about this show I thought.

[@swrrlgrrl]

ethan is allowed to get annoyed, especially when she’s coming for his family. the expectation that he always has to stay calm and deal with her insanity is impossible to uphold

[@BB-ty6iy]

Who cares. I’m still caught up in her making a million dollars a month?!?!

[@kaceeharrison3715]

Yea. Drew isn't listening to him at all.

[@luxie2155]

He stayed WAY more calm than others..including myself. She threw some really low blows..anything bout family and parenting are. Especially calling his spouse every name in the book. I can see how he may have prolonged it but otherwise he took it well.

[@maddy1143]

this dr is a fraud, he has done zero research on trisha and he has not even watched the episode to see how things played out, trisha has used the excuse of mental illness literally every single thing you can think of and always falls back on it every time she crosses a line, why does she keep getting a free pass when she shows the same repeated bad behavior with no growth or change

[@jgrubbi]

exactly

[@jackiesimmons8474]

as someone with bpd, this genuinely made me cry. I cannot believe that this man who claims to be a "doctor" validated her actions and words like this. I would NEVER ask someone I love or care about or even interacts with me to understand the thought process behind the shitty things I can say. It is never on them and they have their own things going on. No matter what mental health condition you have, your actions are always your responsibility. Nothing she said in the last episode was even remotely okay and I can't believe anyone can try to back her up on it and not validate the emotions of someone, like ethan, who "has to accept" the shitty things she does because of her mental health. He is his own person and has his own life and mental health issues and does not deserve this.

[@sarahmoore2557]

this is EXACTLY how i feel and this is coming from someone who also has bpd and bipolar disorder- just because you have mental health disorders does NOT mean you should be entitled to get a free pass card to say whatever and do whatever with no accountability. regardless if you feel like you are in control or not, they are still your actions. you still have to own up to them. and dr. drew is literally saying that ethan should just let trish have these free passes to just be a horrible nasty person and ethan just has to suck it up and take accountability for HER! like what???

[@pinkerdroit]

👍💛

[@sneis95]

I also have bpd and couldn't have said it better 💯

[@zz-jones]

Dr Drew isn't a therapist, he's an addiction specialist. Why is he even conducting this session? No wonder he had no idea how to counsel two people at once. This is a mess

[@katievilcan1593]

I completely agree, but at the same time Dr. Drew has mentioned (in so many words) how he knows that “the show must go on.” I can see how he allows them to bicker. But yes he definitely could’ve and should’ve stepped in more often regardless of if he’s only an addiction specialist, because he’s definitely worked with people like them before. He’s there to help, but it’s still a production.

[@monstai5632]

my thoughts exactly, its even frustrating to watch this

[@melissacostero3738]

Both of these guys are 100% out of their competency. The only people who should be interpreting these measures are licensed psychologists

[@monstai5632]

@@melissacostero3738 yesss

[@zz-jones]

@@katievilcan1593 I appreciate the fact that this is the show and more drama usually = more views, but whatever was going on was causing genuine issues in their fam and it looked like they really wanted it sorted out. So asking a medical professional on based on the fact that he's a media personality and not the fact that he is trained to perform therapy (and this was essentially relationship/couples therapy) is a mistake imo. Yeah Dr Drew would deal with mental illness in his job but performing therapy on people takes years to be trained in. But, seems like they're well past this now so all the best to them and the show :)

[@alexibevacqua7298]

Dr Drew sounds like Trisha's high school bestie trying to back her up in an argument.

[@direct-empowerment]

!!!!!

[@rachel7059]

It's not Ethan's job to keep trisha from disassociating. Dr. Drew is honestly putting too much responsibility onto Ethan and is basically telling him to let trisha do and say whatever she wants

[@sadfrogee]

the fact that even when ethan is apologizing he's STILL being put down and belittled by dr dickhead. "im sorry" "*scoffs* i DoNt ThInK yOu MeAn ThAt"

[@lilyg1537]

This podcast has nine lives lmao

[@caiodacosta6951]

They're running out fast though

[@user-ru6jr1su4f]

LMAOOOO

[@kmccarty611]

THIS COMMENT

[@kewpieluver]

aint mad at it tho

[@richyarell0393]

THIS IS ✨EVERYTHING✨

[@kingofcarrotflowers326]

Ethan didn’t wear Teddyfresh. This man’s heart grows larger every episode. Proud of you Ethan, good job.

[@prisonmike19]

this made my heart warm. thanks for pointing it out :)

[@chowtime91]

What’s this in reference to?

[@oliviawalters6862]

@@chowtime91 the time stamp is 1:41:30 but last week i think trisha said its too much that he wears teddy fresh every week so he remembered this week not to

[@kingofcarrotflowers326]

@@chowtime91 the episode before Trisha asks Ethan to not wear Teddy Fresh in the next episode. However, it wasn't a huge part of the episode and he was thoughtful enough to remember and not do it.

[@oliviavanslyck]

such a kind guy

[@aoife8432]

Ethan: “Hila is being lied to by her brother” Dr drew “that doesn’t matter” Oh ok

[@kristiekane3735]

Facts 😂😂😂😂

[@user-pw5gd6is8t]

It really doesn’t tho, what does that have to do with Trisha? How would she know? This is a Moses issue not Trisha

[@corinne4189]

Being lied to by her brother then her husband sits joking with the female who totally disrespected her.

[@aoife8432]

@@user-pw5gd6is8t it’s more that he, as a trained medical professional, doesn’t take the time or courtesy to validate that having that happen is a stressful situation and one that may bring about heightened tensions. Not everything is about Trisha which is what dr drew has failed to remember and what I was trying to highlight in my comment.

[@yondermileslimpey3892]

@@user-pw5gd6is8t moses is lying to trisha too

[@alyssagottner4020]

Yeah, no. Dr.Drew is literally gaslighting Ethan. He’s telling Ethan Trisha doesn’t even have to try to change and Ethan just has to deal with it. “She’s just doing what she does, you just have to ignore it!” Are you kidding me? I’ve actually heard that line from abusers.

[@pixelgirl500]

I actually can’t believe they’re back I really thought it was over

[@aka_Ingmar]

I was hoping it would be

[@PossibleBat]

Time and empathy can help a lot

[@betterdenu999]

@@aka_Ingmar why it’s so entertaining

[@Saiiint27]

should be over. trisha is way too toxic to try to force it for entertainment

[@brokenpebble7492]

I haven't been this happy in weeks

[@sarawilliams9025]

It aggravates me that Moses isn’t being held accountable. I feel like he’s trying to keep the peace with both his sister and Trisha, but in reality he’s only creating issues. I don’t think he’s necessarily doing it intentionally, he’s probably doing it to avoid confrontation on both sides. Intentional or not, though, it’s causing problems.

[@amazingabby25]

He’s a splitter too

[@un_cog9677]

Hes giving me red flags

[@houseofbows]

My mom does that instead of putting her foot down she plays into whoever shes talking with and agrees with them and it fuels it. Cause she doesn't wanna make anyone mad and it makes everyone mad lol

[@cassier2887]

i agree with this, he isn’t taking any responsibility at all

[@indigosteeth2071]

I think it’s easier for an audience to blame Moses rather than Trisha or Ethan who they actually are a fan of

[@essosen6354]

If we are gonna add trigger warnings I want one for Dr. Drew

[@_notyourgremlin]

Seems like Moses is the problem bc he communicates two different things to Trisha, Ethan and Hila

[@Svientz]

308 people and zero people arguing

[@jessicalauren5549]

Word cuz Moses is always silent and acting innocent but he’s just playing whoever’s side he’s with at the moment

[@GP-uk2jw]

Yeah. I feel like it’s bc he doesn’t like to directly cause anymore tension or conflict but ends up indirectly causing it anyways.

[@brandyc9645]

@@jessicalauren5549 I feel it's more like he's honest with trisha about how he feels, but he can't communicate how he feels with his family because they will react badly. He seems to just constantly want to avoid conflict but he creates more problems by avoiding his issues.

[@tatiannamaldonado3530]

But Dr. Drew would probably say this isn’t relevant

[@aleksalex2968]

Dr Drew with Trisha: 🌝🌼🌻🌸✨🌟 Dr Drew with Ethan: 👺👹💥☄️🔥🌪

[@kristins.4022]

Yesss

[@allymarie2881]

@@darkwebgirl why? He doesn’t have his doctorates?

[@wyatthall5311]

I know it was getting on my nerves last night I had to turn it off. I really hope they don’t have him on again.

[@ijuliaxox]

On god he must want some Trisha 😂😂

[@white5mage]

In the begining yes, but everything got much better later.

[@JN.S.M]

Why was Ethan being criticized for not knowing how to "de-escalate" Trisha instead of Trisha being criticized on not being able to contain emotions?

[@laurasisco235]

Dr Drew is literally allowing her to act like she always does and plus finding a justification for it💀

[@Kay-po4pl]

I feel as if he was trying to manage Ethan like it was a one-on-one session where he had no way to communicate with Trish. My therapist does something similar where she works with me to manage my response because we don’t have control over other people in our lives. He DID have the ability to talk to Trish too though and didn’t discourage her responses. He may not have done this because she is already seeking help through several forms of therapy. However, he also invalidated Ethan’s feelings and didn’t clearly guide him on what to do during Trisha’s emotional reactions.

[@vanessamaldonado2074]

Right? I don't understand why Dr. Drew is placing the blame on Ethan in this.

[@fraxillenba]

I think he recognized that Trisha is very sensitive and any critique of her will just shut her down. He is a business savy person, so the worst thing for him would be to come on the podcast and make on of the hosts so mad and possibly sad that they leave. Idk why he constantly kept nagging on Ethan tho, and downplayed things he said...

[@ocean4172]

Because the last time Dr.Drew was on they had agreed that Ethan should learn how to calm Trisha down when she gets into that state. Ethan had said that he would.

[@reagan4742]

It’s literally not ethans job to BABY SIT Trisha for her mental health outburst, that is her responsibility. They needed to set boundaries with each other and then the show wouldn’t have ended.

[@sloanejagger]

Im sorry but randomly blurting out "I wouldnt have a nanny" is completely loaded and looking to cause upset. How are we just glossing over that Dr Drew?

[@sacredchi]

seriously! it is important to iedntify traits of bpd so she can try to stop going in attack, no0t tell ethan to just ignore it, which he did

[@Americassweethearts]

literally. she said she didn't want to give unsolicited parenting advice but that's exactly what that was??

[@Americassweethearts]

@@feefee6889 right? i’m only like 15 mins in but dr drew sounds almost annoyed with him? dr drew is invalidating ethan’s feelings & concerns but god forbid someone do it to trisha. he’s completely enabling her

[@emmamooney3820]

Exactly, I get that Ethan should be careful when she is in a blackout state but Dr. Drew is making it seem like Ethan should stop everything that he's doing to make sure he doesn't fight back in any way

[@kimstar6701]

Because Ethan carried it on lol

[@alexfraze12087]

What I'm so frustrated by is that Trisha deserves the understanding that Dr. Drew gave her, just not in a way that it invalidates how Ethan feels. You can be understanding and see both perspectives, they're not mutually exclusive.

[@user-md3ji5pw9z]

Yes!!!

[@lolap9968]

Well said

[@jennyha3091]

🎯

[@megan-ui3hq]

Definitely

[@onelasttenderplace]

!!! This

[@samsosa7234]

Trisha wearing teddy fresh for Ethan and him not wearing teddy fresh for her is such a sweet move

[@abbi4709]

@cloudzinmyize bruh.

[@bexc1995]

someone please explain to my why it's ethans responsibility to cater to her mental health opposed to trisha taking responsibility for her actions.

[@CatOfDoom24]

It’s not. It was more of a balancing act that if Ethan wanted to do a podcast with such a volatile person who wouldn’t get put on medicine (and honestly not getting efficient help thru therapy), he would have to use kid gloves and accept working with an untreated, mentally ill person. I have a degree in psychology but I’m not a psychologist or specialist BUT she very clearly has mental illness and some form of personality disorder, most likely borderline.

[@benreilly595]

Ethan: I'm truly sorry Dr. Drew: no you're not

[@gur9715]

Ye because it doesnt seems like he is sorry lmao, he has never shown that he is sorry

[@GirlWithEyeballs]

@@gur9715 and Trisha has? Ethan is so patient with her during her "meltdowns" and never takes any of her awful comments personally and admitted that he should've spoken to her directly. How would Dr. Drew even know what Ethan's sorry looks like?

[@randell6180]

LMAOOO

[@gur9715]

@@GirlWithEyeballs bro? He was litteraly arguing back with trisha when he knows she had a meltdown, he def was not patient with her, he was arguing back and took the comments personal, because he hates critism because he thinks evrything he do is perfect

[@gur9715]

@@Moe11113-c because trisha has a disorder, ethan doesnt, ethan is just a selfish cock sometimes

[@sneeky2144]

It feels like Dr. Drew is basically acknowledging that Trisha is a toxic person but is then oddly telling everyone that she's not the problem, it's everyone else's fault for having a problem with her toxicity.

[@Araza119]

I think it's not necessarily that it's everyone else's fault, but that doesn't mean there can't still be a "wrong" way of handling it

[@larisaterd892]

She probably brought him on so he’s taking her sode

[@runalong9919]

It feels like you need your ears checked... Or IQ 🤷

[@samanthaandres7039]

My dad is sorta like Trisha, and recently he lashed out on me and my therapist said my feelings are valid about the situation but I can’t change, or ever expect an actual acknowledgement of them being in the wrong. Like there’s just nothing I can do but manage how I deal with it. And it kinda sucks and is a hard truth with some people who are dealing with severe mental health issues. So I’m in therapy to learn how to even process them.

[@hamstersplural4334]

@@Araza119 How did Ethan handle it wrong though? He was pretty calm despite her calling his wife a cunt lol.

[@heleneozipko1497]

They should have a different therapist on the show. Preferably one that doesn't shut down, and invalidate what Ethan is saying. Dr. Drew is so clearly biased, and only supports Trisha.

[@lidiabenedetto7608]

FACTS.

[@LipluvsU]

I disagree... Dr. Drew said "Now you're kind of doing splitting behaviour" Ethan says "hey listen I ain't splittin sh!t" Ethan was always acting like the things Trish does can't apply to him, he was always in denial about Dr. Drew's analysis of his actions... And even in the first podcast Ethan couldn't accept being in the wrong even 5% of the blame... He was always sure that his actions were justified "I wanted you to own what you said" like wtf? That sounds pretty aggressive... Especially when you KNOW your friend is having a blackout and is never genuine about their words... He genuinely thought it was ok for him to do that... He was also like "I never fully understand what goes through your mind😕" but then goes near the end of the podcast " I feel like I know how and what you feel in your heart❤"

[@LipluvsU]

Same with his low cuk level narcissism... Just because he can project his confidence that doesn't mean he is truly confident in himself, he has stated before that he hates looking at himself and he has been less confident about his less than fantastic traits... And him avoiding it just proves it, when they bring up his things like when Trish makes comments like "I wouldn't have a nanny😌💅" and his reactions were blown waay out of proportion... And he couldn't accept that, he always made excuses. Instead of accepting the fact that he escalates minor things like that, he says "it's not me it's her"

[@irissayshi]

I agree about the splitting behaviour, that was an interesting moment. I think learning about 'mental health' is a GREAT way for 'mentally healthy' people to recognize their own shitty behaviour lol. My family loves to put themselves on the 'mentally healthy' pedestal, and then engage in incredibly toxic and manipulative behaviour. Splitting is also incredibly human, I know I've done that behaviour before without realizing what I was doing. Most folks with known mental health issues are well aware that we cause problems, and it's nice to see the 'normies' realize they are also problematic. I think his reaction to the nanny thing (I don't rememberhis original reaction, just what's in this video) is pretty normal, too. I don't think it was Trish's intention, but that's basically saying that she thinks he's making supbar parenting choices. Anyone who loves their child would have a reaction to that, you'd have to be a monk to take zero offense to that. I think they are both flawed people, like the rest of the human population, and it's nice seeing them work through their issues and see where their issues cause friction

[@Pinkrosessss]

Apparently everyone in the comments is a psychologist expert y’all sound dumb

[@barb1427]

Picking a side is the one thing you must never do as a therapist

[@lyndsay369]

as somebody with BPD, i appreciate the empathy dr drew has towards trisha because that's VERY rare to find and almost everyone looks down on those of us with personality disorders & judges us very very harshly,,, HOWEVER,, i HATE the way he's treating ethan in this video!!! Ethan's issues with trisha are VERY VALID and she should be called out for what she's doing to ethan's family!!! having BPD doesn't give you a free pass to hurt others and take 0 responsibility for it

[@angryworm420]

thank you.

[@madisonealy2281]

I couldn’t have said it better.

[@306chick]

YES!!! I don’t think I can even watch this episode because dr drew is being so rude to Ethan and devaluing his feelings and how Trisha is. Us people with bpd NEED to be called out.

[@addylacey5689]

PERIOD

[@annalewis4794]

YES I 100% agree! I think he handled the first episode that he came on very well, but I definitely did not like how he treated Ethan in this one.

[@chasemcnellis6886]

Ethan isn’t Trishas care taker. She should handle her own triggers better, and especially since she’s sooooo self conscious

[@gur9715]

Ethan is her care taker, i asked him and he said yes

[@sweetgirl494]

If Ethan does not want to work with Trisha, he can choose to do so. No one can be forced to work woth someone with BPD cause it isnt easy, but if chooses to do so, then he has to show empathy and compassion.

[@Sara-vb9vd]

He is not her caretaker, but if he’s going to profit off of a podcast with her, he needs to understand her disease.

[@tylerblake6305]

Bro Ethan called her fat now she's just fucking with them. he should cut her off. Trisha's sad asf

[@AihtnycCyN]

YES, YES, YES! THIS! He is NOT!

[@puuuunkyou]

Also I feel like Dr drew doesn't look at the full scope of things and expects Ethan to be inhumanly understanding just because he has better mental health i saw this last time it still hurts to be put down when your the healthier person.

[@3minus3_]

I agree. It felt like Dr. Drew sided with Trisha from the get go. He didn't even empathize with Ethan. It's not Ethan's job to manage Trisha's disorder and completely turn himself off as a human. Ethan doesn't have the training in BPD the way Dr. Drew does. Completely unfair and invalidating.

[@sagegauss]

Especially since she doesnt even get treatment. Shes a goddamn grown woman. Get treatment!

[@PierreJp]

D.rDrew is an idiot. He has been for years that's why his show got canceled and he has to come on h3 lol.

[@salmae.1354]

@@3minus3_ you’re right Ethan doesn’t have to manage her disorder, but it’s his choice to keep doing this podcast with her, so if he doesn’t wanna learn how to respond to her episodes then he can’t act hurt if something triggers an episode and causes her to lose control. I have a family member with BPD, and I’m not trained in BPD either, but if I wanted to keep living with them and not walk on eggshells, I had to learn the right way to respond to them when they’re in an episode. If Ethan doesn’t wanna learn, he should stop doing the podcast, or stop acting surprised when she lashes out because she can’t help it (like how a schizophrenic can’t help their hallucinations).

[@SuperChemicals]

@@salmae.1354 I agree with you!

[@mely4700]

1:29:08 made me cry, as someone with suspected Borderline disorder it would mean the entire world to me if someone were to say this to me. living this way is so painful. The way Ethan said this made me feel so loved (almost)… Trisha was so lucky to have came across someone so understanding like this

[@abizwrld]

trisha’s reaction was so genuine, like she really needed to hear that but it just makes me so sad to see how they’ve ended up :(

[@Emjay90s]

I'm sorry but Dr. Young's background is killing me lmao

[@HI-lj1dw]

PLSSSS

[@bendonahue]

He read all those books

[@DoktorInsano98]

@@ItBeThatWaySometimes Why do you say that? Is that true?

[@hallejem17]

I didn’t even realize it was a green screen omfg

[@Monica_Mac]

I know lol I also assumed Doctorate in Psychology, but I think Dr. Drew brought on to talk about the statistics of the data, which he did a really good job. He discussed the standard deviation, explained their results, meaning of answer, etc.

[@user-on7et9ok6r]

*meanwhile, Theodore’s Nanny: 👁👄👁*

[@user-on7et9ok6r]

Lmao

[@Maya_Si]

Hahahahahhaha that's funny

[@SarahlillieM]

no really as a nanny it kinda breaks my heart hahah, i’m definitely not a random stranger over the years i have gotten so close to the family i nanny for i love them all so much! i think most nanny’s get very close

[@pollocampero91]

Ethan: She stabbed me in the stomach Dr drew: that's irrelevant

[@VeganCupcakes]

the "alright go ahead" from dr drew at 8:45 made me wanna break everything on my table

[@Sunmoon4545]

Dr Drew is insanely mean and accusatory towards ethan. Of course ethan doesn't know how to deal with trishas issues, hes never experienced them. He's so rude to him for no reason. And trisha isnt a baby, she can hold her own and take responsibility

[@vyloznik]

I’m so glad everyone else hates this doctor too. Literally telling Ethan that he just needs to take literal emotional abuse from Trisha and not say anything in response? I understand that Trisha has mental stuff and I literally love her, but why are we telling Ethan he just needs to deal with it?

[@nikhitagurukula3117]

im so glad it’s not just me lmaoooo it’s throwing me off

[@jorgenitales8663]

I’m a huge fan of Trishas’ bu I kind of get it? It’s bc she needs to understand that SHE IS the reason why they are all fighting. (I’m not saying Moses is not to blame.) It’s obvious Trish go back and see the footage of her meltdowns so I kinda take that Dr. Drew wants him to don’t react so she can see for herself that even without a clap back she will continue down the rabbit hole by herself alone. It’s like shock therapy, you need to see the problem to acknowledge a solution for the problem... still Drew didn’t explain all this and maybe I’m waaay off.

[@ellarumsey3880]

fr he is so fuckinga nnoying

[@wackywally69420]

well if he wants to be friends with someone with BPD traits he needs to learn how to deal with the episodes. if he doesnt wanna deal with it he needs to just leave

[@naomimoore6404]

@@jorgenitales8663 yeah I think you are cause even with the clap backs she saw how bad she was. You don’t need to take disrespect to show someone that they’re being disrespectful and a lot of the times if you don’t say it they will act like it never happened. You should always call someone out when you feel hurt mental illness or no mental illness

[@ERoylance91]

Is no one gonna talk about the fact that Ethan said “Trisha, there is nothing you could say or do that would make me abandon you.” 🥺🥺🥺 That is the most precious, selfless thing ever. Trisha has found her forever people, and all they needed was the patience of a saint 😂😂😂

[@nina9005]

I literally almost got teary eyed! And lmao 😂

[@nowwhat1434]

Yuck

[@hannahbarrett6703]

Kinda sad actually. How can he sit there and listen to her say horrible things about his WIFE and still want Trisha in his life.

[@strickenchicken2137]

You're so right that's beyond sweet 🥺😭

[@JuicyJews]

She definitely doesn't deserve that level of kindness and respect.

[@themochi8329]

The thing that people don’t understand is that the person to blame is the “saint” Moses. He’s obviously telling hila & Moses different things from Trisha. Hes the one splitting everything

[@slowtowners7178]

my guess: moses is the one with a score higher than trisha's

[@allalll1915]

Moses is definitely a sociopath

[@slowtowners7178]

@Samantha Baurova Kellman for sure. Not to mention Dr. Young went off about how 2 narcassicts have explosive relationships that go back and forth and I instantly thought of them

[@Beaneabean]

@@allalll1915 Yup yup yup

[@laceywalker117]

100%

[@freckles1198]

They did say someone with Trishas personality disorder would be attracted to a psychopath so it would make sense

[@bananalace]

the common denominator is: *moses*

[@eliassalinas4565]

Yesss literally

[@kaseyhunter6606]

That's definitely what it seems like.

[@birdy__]

Obviously..

[@ariichanxx]

🧍🏻

[@ohdeer8920]

Splitting the Red Sea and relationships

[@LittleLoLo7]

Dr Drew: that apology doesn’t sound sincere Pretty sure that’s for Trisha to decide whether or not Ethan sounds sincere, not for Drew to cut him off and say so.

[@BradTheLadShow]

and you just know, this will come back, she will end up using that against him.

[@FitRepss]

to be fair, that was only a measure he took to prevent future problems regarding that apology.

[@thatbeaatcch9884]

@@FitRepss bruh, he reached out after the previous frenemies show and tried to keep things from escalating by telling Trisha to leave.

[@FitRepss]

@@thatbeaatcch9884 Ok? That doesn't take away that the apology may have been disingenous, Dr. Drew was just trying to prevent Trisha from bringing up Ethan's apology in the future to antagonize him, to be honest his apology didn't seem at all convincing at first, while he may do things off camera, that doesn't take away the fact that his apology did not really seem appropiate for the situation.

[@brad2718]

Ethan: I’d like to admit I should’ve told Trisha beforehand not to talk about Hila Dr. Drew: I think u don’t mean that I hate that he doesn’t seem to understand Ethan’s feelings at all, he’s so favoring Trisha and I was hoping Ethan would’ve called him out like i would’ve

[@alexteal4306]

Ethan: “can I say something” Dr. Drew: no you’re wrong anyways doesn’t matter

[@Jordankj99]

Because Ethan acts like he’s completely innocent

[@AndreGriffiths1]

@@Jordankj99 Even so it doesn't make sense to dismiss a valid point. Dr Drew has always been a snake oil salesman

[@earfwerm]

Ethan gives one sided arguments just to fluff his own ego. He refuses to take responsibility for his actions.

[@MikaylaLuna]

@@AndreGriffiths1 he is saying it isnt vaild because trish is doing what trish does.... so it doesnt matter what the logic is behind it because it this point logic doesnt matter

[@TruthIsTheNewHate84]

@amanda atha thats common with addicts no matter who the doctor is. I'm not saying he is a good or bad doctor because i dont have a doctorate so i have no idea but I do know the reason you gave for him being a bad doctor isnt exactly proof of him being a bad doctor. The success rate of adicts is very low and the failure and death rates are very high. Thats with treatment. Obviously without treatment those rates are even worse.

[@Sageloui]

Dr.Drew’s attitude towards Ethan feels extremely targeted.

[@kristypalacios2634]

Right? I thought I was the only one who noticed

[@loganbradford2343]

Dr drew has some feelings about Jewish people, and the set dressing wouldn't take the fact off his mind

[@Sageloui]

@@hillelkita2354 why?

[@cady__]

@@loganbradford2343 dr drew is Jewish so stop trying to spread lies 🙄

[@cady__]

@@hillelkita2354 I disagree as well. Dr drew was trying to explain to Ethan what it takes to continue a relationship with someone with BPD, he wasnt discounting ethans feelings or saying he wasn’t important - his point was in the context of BPD and how Trisha thinks, it’s not important because she literally perceives things differently. Doesn’t excuse what she did, she was mean and it was wrong he was just trying to give Ethan an understanding of how her brain works and how people with BPD function since Ethan asked him to come on the show and help them figure out how to make things work going forward

[@Cheebiez]

I have a feeling Dr Drew is Trisha’s top donator on Only Fans

[@KHVNEKI]

he loves the squirt videos

[@acidalix]

this should be top comment for comedic value alone

[@taleahalldritt257]

IM DEAD OMG 😂😂

[@j4068]

😨🤢😵 Disgusting ... Not even funny to joke about

[@spicyjew6777]

@@j4068 nah it's pretty funny

[@mariavega7135]

Trish loves “Dr.Drew” so much because he agrees with her & makes her feel like her actions are okay, when obviously it’s NOT 🙃

[@Dyslexiella]

I agree with Trisha on this one, I really thinks Dr.Drew wants to fuck Trisha

[@Heroofwastingtime]

She clearly learned what to say the last time he was on to get him to do what she wants. Her whole “but we jab at each other, that’s what we do 😢” bs. There’s a difference between Ethan jabbing at her for her strange behaviors and her calling Eilah a bitch……………….

[@fayfeiloakitohi8765]

Dr Drew: “ I will be back” EVERYONE: FKKKKK NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

[@serenabee9928]

He needs to NEVER come back he’s awful

[@wickednikki1987]

Foot Soldiers !!!! Attack!!! Don’t let him reach our borders!!!! Never again....😂

[@seokja817]

HAHA i will literally skip that episode

[@ilianallau8307]

@@seokja817 Yeah I know, it's frustrating. I keep forwarding. Ugh.

[@alexakathrynn6347]

i literally can’t even watch the episodes with dr.drew i can’t stand him 😂

[@rebeccaboyd5544]

This is the only episode of frenemnies I can’t even finish simply because of Dr Dumbass

[@anooshaullah252]

literally

[@kusaiashionamete220]

"Doctor" just like Cowboy Phil

[@natalieleon9854]

LMFAOOOO LITERALLY

[@willownightshade8579]

Stopped at 17 minutes. Not even sure if I want to continue

[@julianacelyn]

REAL he is literally invigorating to watch

[@ladydiamond6261]

I feel like a divorced child while watching my two parents trying to get along.

[@curmudgeon8]

Soooo...you feel like yourself

[@charlotte_stevens]

🤣😭🤣

[@alexisfleet3445]

OH MY GOD

[@LivsTanks]

Denisia Wardlow my parents are divorced, I did that LOL it was so bad we even asked them to divorce & this is still way worse

[@ladydiamond6261]

@@curmudgeon8 no. I imagine this feeling.

[@ElizabethButters1111]

Looking back now, I genuinely think Trisha did pay off Dr.Drew in order to make herself not look as bad, because this is just absolutely insane. There’s no way this is real. I know he’s a “fake doctor” but I feel like even just some regular person wouldn’t be as demeaning as he was towards Ethan. It’s infuriating to watch

[@valeriewarren9337]

I thought the same thing.

[@terrysportfolio]

Dr Drew bought a new mic only to still use the webcam mic. Nice lights though

[@chlor1068]

@@SteveVedder122 what are you talking about - this comment is about dr drews mic...?

[@marialuizafernandes2789]

@@SteveVedder122 ok this was funny

[@treyrmason]

@@SteveVedder122 wat

[@marialuizafernandes2789]

@@chlor1068 there’s a girl spamming this comment and he pasted it here. i loved it

[@freddymeisner]

@@SteveVedder122 lol

[@kayleighgordon1309]

- trisha murders ethan - Dr. Drew: You have to understand that this is a result of Trisha's trauma, and she did not mean to do it. It is simply the result of years of untreated trauma.

[@zootedseazon]

😂😂

[@arifilipponi4866]

Tbh you are coming off as very "mental disorders arent real" and thats gross.

[@kayleighgordon1309]

@@arifilipponi4866 that wasn’t my intent though. Just trying to joke around about the lengths dr drew goes to when trying to explain away trisha’s behavior and discredit everything Ethan says. Obviously mental illness and trauma are real

[@analee3299]

and it causes her to trash talk Hila and ask inappropriate shaming questions like does Hila get rammed like Trisha does. all part of the illness

[@analee3299]

@@arifilipponi4866 what is gross is trying to invade the entire family like some needy demanding brat using leverage and making threats and revealling private things about Moses and a smelly vagina.

[@evwind]

he really said “your feelings do not matter sometimes” LMAO if he said that to trisha, it would be a meltdown all over again

[@madisonsmith7840]

Watching frenemies back just makes me realise that “dr” Drew is shit. I don’t know how Ethan keeps so calm. My anger issues could never.

[@kaitlynbecker5512]

please don’t bring dr drew back on here. he is completely one sided and only focuses on trishas mental health when ethan’s is also very important. ethan’s boundaries and thoughts are also important. he is gaslighting tf out of ethan

[@saeda0056]

I think it would be such a good lesson for Trisha to actually hear Ethan articulate how her actions affects him.

[@amanda4540]

that's not what gaslighting is, but yeah i agree that he kept invalidating his feelings and was completely unprofessional

[@shai-like-chai]

@@amanda4540 well Dr drew interrupts Ethans reasoning and tells him his explanation is not important so yeah I think that’s a part of gaslighting.

[@amanda4540]

@@shai-like-chai yeah but gaslighting is more of a process, like a methodical form of manipulation where u convince the other person that they're insane. he's just being an asshole and unprofessional imo

[@cady__]

Please stop using the term gaslighting when you just don’t agree with someone. Dr Drew definitely did not gaslight anyone. Ethan specifically asked him on to help him deal with Trisha. He didn’t discount ethans feelings he told Ethan how to start working on a friendship with someone with BPD. Trish said terrible things and she’s not being excused, but dr drew literally did what Ethan asked him to do.

[@rubenm2785]

Ethan: “but but but... Moses” Dr. Drew: “not important” I feel like that’s the crux of the problem! Moses!

[@jazzypooh5362]

Yeah but he wasn’t there so it’s unfair to speak about Moses and hila.

[@ahofman603]

@@jazzypooh5362 but they’re also part of why trisha had a meltdown in the first place (not saying it’s hila’s fault but I think moses definitely played a part and should take accountability as well as trisha)

[@ttc958]

Trisha is abusing moses

[@artlovr0]

Exactly.

[@sradrvr]

Trisha: talks a hundred miles a minute about everything on her mind Ethan: Can I say somethin- Dr Drew: That's not important Ethan, anyways Trish...

[@JewelWood16]

literally … this is so hard to watch

[@fajamuller7043]

so frustrating

[@thatbeaatcch9884]

It makes me so mad how one sided this interview is!

[@allib6655]

Its basically a therapy session for Trisha

[@runalong9919]

It WAS completely irrelevant though... Dr. Drew is excellent! And cutting through like he did is exactly what needs to be said.

[@neithishere5026]

Trisha is a completely different person when Dr. Drew is on here.

[@kevindube7096]

Dr Drew’s presence did a weird thing: Trisha trying to be on her best most convincing behavior, Ethan being more defensive than normal because there were _doctors watching?_ ooooooo weeeeiiirrrrd

[@amgroblin5898]

what are you implying?

[@SatoshiMochidaTheKing]

Ethan was definitely in defense mode. Probably due to seeing how calm and professional Trisha was being, he felt threatened. Tbh if ethan wasn't being so defensive, doctor drew would've tried to understand him better.

[@excessmaterial]

Kind of hard to not be defensive when all logic has been dismissed, and the "doctor" hasn't even watched the fight that generated the whole situation. Ethan was essentially the one person in the room saying to himself "Am I taking crazy pills here? Anyone else seeing this bs for what it is?"

[@ty2401]

that is very interesting you brought that up, seems like both are trying to sway the doctors to side with them using different methods

[@mokain7238]

@@excessmaterial yeah the doctor kind of shot ethan in the foot for not dealing well with someone who’s yelling at him, i’m sorry but close to no one is going to sit there and be yelled at for that long

[@jay-ul4gt]

“Ethan somehow can’t handle it”

[@nikhitagurukula3117]

PREACH

[@adrianajimenez2262]

I thought I was the only one who caught that 😂🙄

[@gabrielahernandez5038]

Why does it feel like dr drew is just giving Trisha excuses for her behavior and not taking Ethan emotions into consideration.

[@lobaandrade3091]

probably because trish will be provoked

[@slopcrusher3482]

Because he is. He’s treating her like a baby who should have no responsibility for what she says. That’s why she keeps doing this bullshit

[@yonicepaprika7534]

He should’ve taken Ethan more into consideration but Trisha does have BPD

[@yulana990]

@@yonicepaprika7534 Trisha has BPD, everyone here knows that and sympathizes with that. The issue is that no actual professional would tell someone who just experienced literal emotional abuse from someone with BPD that whatever they are feeling is just not important, and that anytime something similar happens they should just go with it. Him telling Ethan ''that's just how she is'', in a conversation that's supposed to help BOTH people is ridiculous. He clearly was only focusing on Trisha's disorder and ignoring the emotional abuse Ethan experienced cause of it which is utterly disgusting. Dr. Drew was 100% wrong here and didn't properly take care of the issue at hand. However they are now thriving even without shitty Dr. Drew so its all fine :)!

[@yonicepaprika7534]

@@yulana990 it is a therapy version of entertainment it would’ve taken twice as long to treat this as a real therapy session where it’s for both parties He should’ve taken Ethans feelings into account he should’ve worded things better but when I go to therapy most of it is “ don’t talk about yourself that way “ “ why did you say that about yourself “ followed by 15 minutes of breaking down my psyche so I don’t know maybe I’m giving the benefit of the doubt

[@AA-uq4fy]

I've never wanted to punch a person more than dr drew

[@MM-fe6gq]

This whole episode is basically just Dr. Drew telling Ethan: “That’s a you problem”

[@babybunnie5200]

Basically I'm not even wanting to watch this.

[@sshramko1]

It’s pointless b/c there not even dealing w/the main issue- the fight about Ethan’s family- and how much of an asshole Trisha is - b/c she was so disrespectful and took no accountability!!!!

[@0ronegro]

Well it is... either adapt and understand or cut her off. That’s basically the point. Isn’t that the point of dealing with anyone in life wether they are an addict on the journey to recovery or a shitty traumatized romantic partner or a job etc. either adapt and rise above the bs.. or continue and complain and seek validation for being able to take abuse or negativity and be a martyr.

[@shanleahibbs4805]

@@0ronegro agree! He means this will continue to happen and instead of questioning Trish when she’s disassociating & getting her to the point of no return it’s better to leave the topic altogether. Also the fact Ethan didn’t bring up this issue unless during the podcast was what triggered her anger, it’s pretty clear to me

[@MM-fe6gq]

@@0ronegro I agree that Trisha is not in control when she lashes out like that and I’m sympathetic to her. Ethan does need to learn to adapt to it and not escalate the situation. I just think Dr. Drew’s delivery of the advice to Ethan could have been better. It felt like Dr. Drew was making fun of Ethan for not being able to “take it.” He could have offered the advice in a way that was sympathetic to both of them, not just Trisha, so that Ethan wouldn’t immediately go on the defense