Hamas: How Israel created its own nemesis w/Paola Caridi | The Chris Hedges Report

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Hamas, like all resistance groups, from the African National Congress to The Irish Republic Army, are as demonized as they are misunderstood. Hamas is a religious, nationalist political movement. It is not, despite what Israel and Washington say, a terrorist organization-although, like most resistance groups (including the Jewish militias that created the state of Israel), it has used terrorism as a tactic. Because those on the outside do not understand what went into making Hamas-the steady drip of humiliation, violence, and impoverishment that define Israel’s Occupation of the Palestinians-Hamas and its ideology appears incomprehensible. But from the Palestinian perspective, Israel has left the Palestinians with no other choice. Journalist and historian Paola Caridi, author of "Hamas: From Resistance to Regime," joins The Chris Hedges Report to discuss the roots and nature of Hamas, and what we miss when we unthinkingly cast Hamas as nothing more than a terrorist organization.
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@arnystieber732
@arnystieber732 Ай бұрын
I was in the Army, infantry in the U.S. war against the people of Viet Nam. Many years later I learned that the Vietnamese people had been resisting occupations by many countries for hundreds of years. Imperial powers are led by people who are “certain” that they can take over another peoples and then everything will be fine. Resistance is key to the survival of humanity. NEVER STOP RESISTING!
@bazlur-rahman
@bazlur-rahman Ай бұрын
The zionists used US money, US arms, and bombing killing, and living like a king in Israel on other lands. They lived in the past in other lands too and many times they were driven out or te /rm**/ ina? tted for their characters, way of living separately in G of the cities what we all are observing. The Spanish drove them from Iberia and took shelter in Turkey, the Middle East, and some of Europe. 93% of Jews are Ashkenazi, which means European and none of their ancestors are from the Middle East. (ASH-keh-NAH-zee jooz) One of two major ancestral groups of Jewish people whose ancestors lived in France and Central and Eastern Europe, including Germany, Poland, and Russia. The other group is called Sephardic Jews and includes those whose ancestors lived in Spain, Portugal, North Africa, and the Middle East. Jewish Scholar Naom Chomsky said that he is a Khazar Jew from Ukraine. who are Khazar jews?en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars
@KlausJLinke
@KlausJLinke Ай бұрын
@@joshuafrank4643 Slave revolts are ugly, but they won't stop until slavery ends. Israel has maintained a "kill ratio" of more than 100 dead "Untermenschen" for each killed "Übermensch" ... that can dampen resistance, but can not stop it. Only Israel can stop it.
@ianbeddowes5362
@ianbeddowes5362 Ай бұрын
I was an intelligence operative for uMkhonto we Sizwe, the army of the African National Congress. I trained in espionage and sabotage in Angola under instruction from the Red Army and KGB. My wife is a former combatant of the Zimbabwe African National liberation Army. Much respect to former soldiers of the US terror Army who came to understand and acknowledge that they fought on the wrong side.
@filmfan7895
@filmfan7895 Ай бұрын
⁠@@joshuafrank4643you must have seen the documentary Tantura when during the creation of Israel they were raping teenage girls. Hearing it from the people who did it now in their old age and laughing was disgusting. Fast forward to 2023 now Israel is claiming that Hamas used their same tactics without any proof especially since they had GoPro cameras to broadcast their atrocities. When The NY Times wrote an article about it the families themselves debunked the story. Don’t forget they lie about almost everything (40 beheaded babies ) etc
@shanarchy614
@shanarchy614 Ай бұрын
​@@joshuafrank4643I think that you should put down the propaganda. There's not been a single confirmed case of r wording by Hamas. As for the killing on 10/7, ISRAELI witnesses have said that the IOF are responsible for most of that. They came to take hostages to use as leverage, which happens in these situations.
@tursiyamtursiyam6028
@tursiyamtursiyam6028 Ай бұрын
The question is why every upload about Gaza Palestine is always banned......is Israel afraid that the whole world will know about Israel's atrocities against the people of Gaza...
@joshuafrank4643
@joshuafrank4643 Ай бұрын
This video demonstrates how wrong your statement is. Heard of Owen Jones? How about The Young Turks? Perhaps you know of the BBC and Al Jazeera. Please explain what you mean because Israel is not afraid of anything, and they're currently wrecking the Gaza Strip in plain view for everyone to see. Y'all got a camera zoomed-in on Gaza 24/7, y'all can't even see the forest through the trees. Let me explain something that should be perfectly obvious: Israel's "atrocities" are Hamas's fault. Hamas is the dog that barked at the lion, and now they are suffering the devastating consequences. Israel has been more ethical in its strategic fighting of warfare than Hamas, the PLO, Hezbollah, ISIS, the Taliban - I could go on and on - have ever been. You'll notice a pattern here: every "army" I listed above is a terrorist group, so of course they don't care about "International Law." By the way, the ICJ ruled it was "plausible" that Israel was committing "Genocide." Know why? Because Israelis are NOT committing Genocide, never were, and the ICJ like the UN is a useless entity whose space would be better if transformed into apartment buildings.
@TheBasicTruth
@TheBasicTruth Ай бұрын
Atrocities like the 1000 or more people of Israel who were slaughtered and over 200 people of Israel who were taken hostage before Israel lifted a finger? Are those not atrocities? THOSE were executed before Israel was forced into conflict.
@casteloroy513
@casteloroy513 Ай бұрын
Yes.. Israel afraid if the whole world knows what they have been doing in Palestine especially in Gaza and West Bank
@JenZee-oe2no
@JenZee-oe2no Ай бұрын
The media has covered them extensively and then had to retract or correct. Do you live in la la land?
@joshuafrank4643
@joshuafrank4643 Ай бұрын
It's honestly laugh-out-loud funny the extent to which these people lie. Let me know when Owen Jones is banned. LOL What a joke. @@JenZee-oe2no
@halakurshov1380
@halakurshov1380 Ай бұрын
Real journalism. Great guest. A must read! Free Palestina 🇵🇸
@zxcaaq
@zxcaaq Ай бұрын
"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government." - USA - Declaration of independence 4 july 1776 Hamas has a right to exist and provide new Guards for their future security based on the declaration of independence. To claim otherwise is the most un-american thing ever.
@halakurshov1380
@halakurshov1380 29 күн бұрын
@@zxcaaq Thank you! I'll share this.
@Elizadoolittle1948
@Elizadoolittle1948 Ай бұрын
Irish here..grew up in the 80s watching bombs go off and people being reported shot on my tv every week. I was very young...I never supported innocent people being killed and grew up thinking that the IRA were bad actually. In my adulthood I learned about armed resistance and post- colonialism and what the IRA were fighting for, because you're not taught it in school. It is possible to support the right of a people to armed resistance, whilst not supporting some of their tactics and methods. From what I can see from watching the Al Qassam brigades vids and various military analytic commentary is that Hamas has been executing a much more respectable account of themselves, in respect to their conduct during this conflict, than the Israeli's.
@laurids2007
@laurids2007 Ай бұрын
What this documentary won't show is that all leaders from Israel as well as from Hezbolah, Hamas, or Hamas regime or Israeli government, and all government from Lebanon, Iran, Turkey, etc, without one exception, are members of Freemasonry. Have you seen the videos of the attacks of October 7th? Well, I don't know if you have noticed that all bunkers were severely attacked and bombed, but the bunker of the Masonic Temple wasn't. Untouched. Doors opened. Nobody killed and nothing touched. I have the video. Secondly, what neither Israelis nor Gazans know, is that right now, Israeli Freemasons are washing millions of dollars in Dubai with the help of a Sunni Muslim... funds from Microsoft, McDonalds, IKEA, Apple.. many others. Those Israelis are all "Jewish" and Freemasons. That's just food for thought. Go to bed tonight and think about it. And by the way, has IRA ever killed a politician or the son of a politician? A very important person and their enemy in Parliament? You know the answer. You know who are the bosses. Against facts there are no arguments.
@jopmars8168
@jopmars8168 Ай бұрын
Not to mention their propensity for rape, Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005 and Hamas made no attempt to improve the lot of Palestinians, the Hamas leadership lives in luxury in Qatar, none of the Muslim countries in the region want to take Palestinians in , that speaks volumes for their attitude.☠️⚰️
@AsifJustChillin
@AsifJustChillin Ай бұрын
Ahhh my comrade from insta. I see you here too! #FREEPALESTINE
@Elizadoolittle1948
@Elizadoolittle1948 Ай бұрын
@@AsifJustChillin 🫶
@sobeit2842
@sobeit2842 Ай бұрын
I assume that by "conflict" you include the invasion of Israel on Oct 7th. By Al Qassam brigades vids I assume you include the vids taken by Al Qassam members and their Palestinian allies of the actions they performed on Oct 7th. You say they executed a much more respectable account of themselves in respect to their conduct during this conflict than the Israeli's. I think one would have to have a certain bent understanding of the word "respectable" to say that.
@user-jb4uz7qu4c
@user-jb4uz7qu4c Ай бұрын
Fighting for justice, equality and freedom is not terrorism at all As long as there is oppression, occupation, and inequality, there must be resistance. And If you fight for freedom in your own land, you are a freedom fighter #freepalestine🇵🇸
@user-vc9vz6dv9n
@user-vc9vz6dv9n Ай бұрын
You tell ‘‘em bro.
@Hippie_juice
@Hippie_juice Ай бұрын
Amen
@JenZee-oe2no
@JenZee-oe2no Ай бұрын
Freedom and equality? You think that's the kind of state P's intend? You must not even try to actually listen to them or learn about their goals.
@Misterbin419
@Misterbin419 Ай бұрын
Exatamente .
@paulamarsh1
@paulamarsh1 Ай бұрын
And Arabs gave been occupying Israel sincerely 7th century
@user-zl9sh9mz6h
@user-zl9sh9mz6h Ай бұрын
People living under colonialist occupation have the right to resist BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY. ANY MEANS!
@saagisharon8595
@saagisharon8595 Ай бұрын
yes, they fulfilled their right, but look how that worked out for them
@BrendanZ-cd4wr
@BrendanZ-cd4wr Ай бұрын
Except black people, apparently
@dummykeir1717
@dummykeir1717 Ай бұрын
​@@saagisharon8595Palestinian already tried the peaceful protest but it didn't end well like really really not well, I'm understand why they forced to use this method
@saagisharon8595
@saagisharon8595 Ай бұрын
@@dummykeir1717 once again, look how the violent revolution worked out
@joygrobler8777
@joygrobler8777 Ай бұрын
As Dr Mäte so wonderfully explained, yes Israel has a right to defend itself, but does Palestine have a right to defend itself against an illegal occupation?
@Happywife606
@Happywife606 Ай бұрын
I like when she didn’t describe the attack on the mosque in Hebron as “terrorist” but she said about Hamas attacks many time as “terrorist” and “fascist”… that’s why we will never have equality and peace in the world ! Let’s remember that the first terrors bombing in Palestine was in 1946 when the “ Israeli terrorist militia “ haganah attacked king David hotel and killed 96 people and this was never classified as “terrorist” , the Jewish colonialists of terrorist made hundreds of terror attacked on Palestinians and till today it’s happening
@MrManny075
@MrManny075 Ай бұрын
Terrorism means the act of attack on civilians for political gain or reason so no one knows what drove that guy to kill those people, could be hatred and has nothing to do with politics, if that was the case you can't call it terrorism. The action of Hamas is terrorism the UN stated that but it did not condemn it because it's also a resistance act.
@VBASK2231
@VBASK2231 Ай бұрын
Good catch. I missed it. Though I noticed that she has difficulties admitting right away that Israel had the intention to “finish the chapter of 1948”. She makes a preamble of how “the Israeli strategy changed along the weeks and then the months of this war on Gaza and at a certain point it started to be a war of a very specific goal: the expulsion of the Palestinians” and she talks about what started going on in the West Bank. Seriously??? Wasn’t already going on the so called incremental ethnic cleansing in the OPT?
@maryowen6094
@maryowen6094 Ай бұрын
I never heard her utter the words fascist or terrorist regarding Hamas.
@GladysAlicea
@GladysAlicea Ай бұрын
Yea, and Count Bernadotte was murdered in 1948 on his second visit as UN negotiator. Israelis have never wanted Palestinians to remain. From that standpoint, what they’re doing today is worse than the Nazis.
@shamim621
@shamim621 Ай бұрын
Most people remember the king David Hotel but they also b**bed the semiramis hotel
@brianferguson7840
@brianferguson7840 Ай бұрын
Repeat a lie often enough and eventually it will become Israel
@Casomais112
@Casomais112 Ай бұрын
Repeat a lie often enough and suddenly Palestinian are indigenous to Israel and Israel not. Palestine was never Palestinian, it was always Israel/Judea. Where are the archeological finds of Palestinians? They don’t even have the DNA of the Philistines, but of Egypt and Jordan 🙈
@alwaystamazight
@alwaystamazight Ай бұрын
They kept repeating the lie to long that the world don’t believe them anymore
@dembeleaminao7581
@dembeleaminao7581 28 күн бұрын
💯
@dembeleaminao7581
@dembeleaminao7581 28 күн бұрын
Thief,lying, genocide, denying the truth even if everyone sees it in the media = Isreal. Free Palestine 🇵🇸
@vitomessina3784
@vitomessina3784 20 күн бұрын
as the mith of Shoa' show (only at cinema and tv ,from 1967 and not 1945)
@maryowen6094
@maryowen6094 Ай бұрын
I am very moved by this profound detailed insight of Hamas and the Palestinian struggle to survive.
@nattydreadint1
@nattydreadint1 Ай бұрын
Why don't you, I magine Palestinians living peaceful a long Israel? They could have turned Gaza in Dubai or Qartar Israel left Gaza completely. They should have Invested in Gaza buildings wealth with their Arab brothers money. Israel wished them good luck then But terror was a priority. They spent aid money into Terror weapons Tunnels Hating Israel. There 2 millions Israeli living in Israel today. They are free to go, and come back. Ask them, I'd they want be a Palestinian state' The Answer is Known. Why? Because is good to them.
@nananano1396
@nananano1396 Ай бұрын
You are talking about something you know absolutely nothing about. Gaza has been under siege for 17 years. When Israel left Gaza in 2007, it imposed a stifling siege on it. Gaza is not allowed to bring in iron and steel, and even food supplies enter in measured quantities, and all its borders are besieged. Tunnels are the only thing that helps them resist. The occupation, and also Israel, left Gaza due to the resistance and not by its will. Also, not far from Gaza there is the West Bank, there is no Hamas, and yet Israel destroys them, arrests them, and steals their lands every day. Before you do not speak, he answers, you must research and educate yourself well.
@user-yv6wk4gw9u
@user-yv6wk4gw9u Ай бұрын
I will never get over in fact this genocide is being carried out by the ancestors of the Holocaust victims.
@jvssocialmedia2459
@jvssocialmedia2459 Ай бұрын
Think about what you just wrote
@Brentford704
@Brentford704 Ай бұрын
I think you mean descendants but yes agree
@-in-the-meantime...
@-in-the-meantime... Ай бұрын
1. Family is from Europe 2. Published writings encouraging beliefs to form political movement 3. Self chosen name "of god" 4. Obsessed with genetics. 5. Contained neighbors physically whilst killing them child, women, men 6. Ignored outrage from most of the world Am I talking about Netanyahus or Hitlers?
@Jean-rg4sp
@Jean-rg4sp Ай бұрын
Israelis are not mostly descendants of the European Jews. They are from parts of the former eastern republics of the Soviet Union such as Tajikistan, Chechnya, etc., as well as Arab Jews from Morocco and Iraq etc. who were never victims of the Final Solution.
@Emerald-1
@Emerald-1 Ай бұрын
they learnt to be perpetrators from their history but are worse....much worse
@resurrectedone7463
@resurrectedone7463 Ай бұрын
"The Zionists as a movement, and then the State of Israel, which emerged from that movement, declared war on the Palestinian people. In that war we saw ethnic cleansing, genocidal policies and a racist apartheid regime" ~ Miko Peled.
@vincentyoung8472
@vincentyoung8472 Ай бұрын
Racists that have Palestinians living happily and prosperous in Israel?
@FaerieSidhe
@FaerieSidhe Ай бұрын
The "Palestinian People" declared war on Oct. 7. Are you daft?
@JenZee-oe2no
@JenZee-oe2no Ай бұрын
@@FaerieSidhe And they refuse to release hostages.
@davidgray8654
@davidgray8654 Ай бұрын
Oh you missed out the bit about 'from the river to the sea', care to comment?
@27boof
@27boof Ай бұрын
@@JenZee-oe2no Not true. Hamas has been offering to do a prisoner swap right from day 1, and back in Nov/Dec there actually were some swaps.
@kmayet
@kmayet Ай бұрын
Thanks Chris and Paola for the great interview. I wish this content were available to all Americans via the mainstream media. We probably wouldn't be watching this genocide unfold if it were.
@pop1626
@pop1626 Ай бұрын
From birth to death Americans are force fed HASBARA..... Its sad and down right evil. Sometimes I think to Myself that I wish I didnt turn My TV off and seek truths, the suffering and injustices, crazy people so much does not make sense but is very real. But Palestine's Peoples Truth is the By Far the most Disturbing and the most Heartbreaking for ME ever in My 63 years on this Planet.. If only it would Stop NOW
@cheri238
@cheri238 Ай бұрын
Thank you again, Chris Hedges, for having having Paole Caridi with her book, "Hamas," on with this discussion this morning.
@gerry4281
@gerry4281 Ай бұрын
As an Irish Catholic growing up in N. Ireland during the “troubles”, the Palestinian people have been treated so much worse. I was scared of IRA and horrified every time they killed or bombed innocents. I don’t know much about Hamas just that they were funded by Israel a few years ago.
@thasupremeoverlord
@thasupremeoverlord Ай бұрын
the freemasons were created to target catholicism since king philip IV and especially since moussolini banned the zionist international fraternity
@vincentyoung8472
@vincentyoung8472 Ай бұрын
If you don’t know much about them you should know more about them.
@janmorgan7435
@janmorgan7435 Ай бұрын
It looks like they built tunnels didn’t they, with the funding. I was in Dublin a few weeks ago and wow, busy bars and great atmosphere .
@gerhard7323
@gerhard7323 Ай бұрын
The Troubles in NI were a toxic brew in which no one came out without deep deep shame. Not the Republican or Loyalist paramilitaries and not the British state. Those paramilitaries on both sides of the sectarian divide today are now often to be found running drugs coercing those in debt to them to participate in sectarian riots in payment.
@gerhard7323
@gerhard7323 Ай бұрын
​@@janmorgan7435Dublin's in the Republic of Ireland not Northern Ireland.
@adikravets3632
@adikravets3632 Ай бұрын
Free Palestine 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸
@almabrisiarodriguez-xh2lo
@almabrisiarodriguez-xh2lo Ай бұрын
FREE THE HOSTAGES
@Ahreman_egy
@Ahreman_egy Ай бұрын
@@almabrisiarodriguez-xh2lo hamas offered they want to trade the hostages for hundreds of Palestinians Israel kidnapped BEFORE OCT from INSIDE Palestinian borders and keeping them in prisons with no trials, so Israel refused because mass murder is easier than obeying the international laws and give Palestinians their rights i guess
@user-yi4dr1mp9w
@user-yi4dr1mp9w Ай бұрын
From river to the sea Palestine will be free 🇵🇸
@saagisharon8595
@saagisharon8595 Ай бұрын
@@Ahreman_egy hamas wants the release of full blown murderers but Israel will not compromise national security for a small bunch of people who believe in a two state solution
@ramiznorthland7179
@ramiznorthland7179 Ай бұрын
@@almabrisiarodriguez-xh2lowhat hostages??
@lesleybetts4874
@lesleybetts4874 Ай бұрын
It is so important to have a clear understanding of the history leading to Oct 7th and the horrific, excessive assault on Gaza. Every resistance is labelled "terrorists " until such a time that it suits Western powers to legitimise them in pursuit of their own agenda's. I'm sure that I don't need to provide a list of examples to the viewers of this channel. Great interview, fascinating, educational, and insightful.
@m.janeroberts8640
@m.janeroberts8640 Ай бұрын
So true. Today America celebrates Nelson Mandela and builds monuments to him. 40 years ago he and his organization were labeled terrorists.
@zxcaaq
@zxcaaq Ай бұрын
"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government." - USA - Declaration of independence 4 july 1776 Hamas has a right to exist and provide new Guards for their future security based on the declaration of independence. To claim otherwise is the most un-american thing ever.
@hasnaashaalan9083
@hasnaashaalan9083 Ай бұрын
You're the ONLY news organization that truly discussed the history of Ham@$. Thank you so much foe that's
@rogernormanjr4315
@rogernormanjr4315 Ай бұрын
The history of Zionism, and the relative importance of how Zionism has shaped the direction of the Israeli government, is very important in context and in relation to the creation and evolution of the Hamas government. Prior to around 1900, the Jewish and Muslim communities enjoyed a peaceful existence, along with the Christian faith community in the region. It’s not until the influence of the European government that we see a divide starting to appear among these people. By the time we started moving people to colonies in the Middle East, do we see the possibility for a divide.
@mahirrahman7
@mahirrahman7 Ай бұрын
Hamas was a movement and never came into power until people saw through the corruption of Yasir Arafat and PLO
@mariahewitt9787
@mariahewitt9787 Ай бұрын
​@RothchildRockefellerareKILLERS Netanyahu's real name is Mileikowski, it's a Polish name.
@paulamarsh1
@paulamarsh1 Ай бұрын
The Jews returned. It is that simple.
@paulamarsh1
@paulamarsh1 Ай бұрын
​@@mariahewitt9787so would you yiu have a different name had you been in a diaspora for two thousand years...🤡
@brunojvaldez7277
@brunojvaldez7277 Ай бұрын
Self defense is not terrorism...
@chinysukainepyobytt4506
@chinysukainepyobytt4506 Ай бұрын
Self defense is not genocide
@VMVarga-zg4cl
@VMVarga-zg4cl Ай бұрын
@@chinysukainepyobytt4506 Occupiers have no right to self defense, they are already in an offensive position.
@paulamarsh1
@paulamarsh1 Ай бұрын
​@@VMVarga-zg4clArabs have been occupying the land if Israel since the 7th century...
@ismailansari6916
@ismailansari6916 Ай бұрын
​@@chinysukainepyobytt4506jew has no right to self defense.... They lost that is chamber😂
@paulamarsh1
@paulamarsh1 Ай бұрын
Applies equally to Israel.@@VMVarga-zg4cl
@snowflake882
@snowflake882 Ай бұрын
From Algeria... Absolutely love the transparent covering of the issue
@brunojvaldez7277
@brunojvaldez7277 Ай бұрын
Free Palestine prayers to family, friends, children, peace, love, and humanity... prayers..
@jonathangold2087
@jonathangold2087 Ай бұрын
An incredibly illuminating, and informative interview with your wonderful guest, Paola Caridi. It was amazing to listen to two such brilliant scholars of Middle East History, Chris Hedges and Paola Caridi, and have them impart their extensive knowledge, wisdom and insights about the many complexities and nuances that encompass the Middle East! I hope you will invite Paola Caridi back in the future to further explore this subject matter again. You and your podcasts are doing an extraordinary job in enlightening us all about so many of today’s critically important events!!! Thank you Mr. Hedges, please keep up the good work!
@FaerieSidhe
@FaerieSidhe Ай бұрын
She didn't mention that the MB was declared a terrorist org by Arabs or the significance of the Mount to J's and C's.
@amirfahmi6248
@amirfahmi6248 Ай бұрын
"I support Palestinians but not Hamas." Then you stand for nothing. If you support a people being threatened with extinction then you must support their armed resistance because that is their only hope for survival. Unless you do this you only "support" Palestinians in dying. The notion Palestinians can commit “atrocities” against their occupiers is a gross lie. The only atrocity is the ongoing Nakba - Israel’s dependence on Palestinian elimination. Every act in response is necessarily liberatory. Any law that condemns liberation has no legitimacy.
@annelliot622
@annelliot622 Ай бұрын
I think you can support armed resistance but choose not to support groups which adopt the ideas/understandings of the Muslim brotherhood.
@hunger4jsutice
@hunger4jsutice Ай бұрын
@taoufiknoah1975
@taoufiknoah1975 Ай бұрын
@@annelliot622 at this time of occupation and continuous atrocities, you cannot be selective in your support to one party instead of the other, as there is only this unique party that you don’t like, which works hard to liberate the people and the land of palestine; stopping support to this unique liberation group, means stopping the whole liberation process.
@annelliot622
@annelliot622 Ай бұрын
@@taoufiknoah1975 I do not claim to have any authority to speak on this issue. I hear what you are saying. I didn't say "don't like" a particular group; I said disagree with some of their understandings. But at this time of terrible oppression I agree that it is very important to stand with the Palestinian people as a whole and stand with their right to fight militarily.
@taoufiknoah1975
@taoufiknoah1975 Ай бұрын
@@annelliot622 ​​⁠exactly, we are not supposed to agree with islamic perspectives, as long as they respect christian and other religious sects in palestine; they meet christians priest of the holy land and even Representatives of the anti-Zionist, ultra-Orthodox jews , Neturei Karta sect, met their leaders and expressed their yysupport. countries have a lot of parties and sects, but they all agree and consolidate their efforts in time of wars. That’s how it should be.
@denisefrescas1488
@denisefrescas1488 Ай бұрын
So I’ve been saying this for six months and I’m 1,000,000,000% correct if we want to stop the slaughter and save the people that are left in Gaza we need to stop the supply chain. How do we do it just like Yemen. Nurses stay home for five days truck driver. Stay home for five days cooks stay home for five days dishwasher stay home for five days. Truck or stay home for five days. Stop the supply chain and Joe Biden will run to Argentina and then Country will come to a halt, and the Ceasefire will start.
@smubarik70
@smubarik70 Ай бұрын
Chris Hedges, a living legend, amazing human being, compassionate and caring for a just cause! God bless you!
@hayatraja7360
@hayatraja7360 Ай бұрын
Out of difficulties grow Miracles 🇵🇸
@SvalbardSleeperDistrict
@SvalbardSleeperDistrict Ай бұрын
This was a great conversation, but I was slightly disappointed with the dismissal of the idea that Hamas was actively created by Israel for its own goals. For anyone who is interested to learn about that, a good introduction is a short video Mehdi Hasan did for The Intercept several years ago, it's called "How Israel Helped Created Hamas".
@eamar0509
@eamar0509 Ай бұрын
You shouldn't take any interpretation for granted. The reality is much more complex. The Zionist entity USED Hamas cynically, and Sheikh Ahmad Yassin the founder of Hamas was imprisoned, tortured and finally assassinated by the Zionist entity. From Jerusalem AlQuds in Occupied Palestine
@mahirrahman7
@mahirrahman7 Ай бұрын
Bc it's propaganda.
@SvalbardSleeperDistrict
@SvalbardSleeperDistrict Ай бұрын
@@mahirrahman7 What is propaganda? The well-documented history of the role of Israeli state funding in the creation of Hamas -something former Israeli officials and military commanders openly admit?
@annelliot622
@annelliot622 Ай бұрын
Tbh I don't know the truth about that, but I know I wouldn't take Mehdi Hasan's word for anything.
@SvalbardSleeperDistrict
@SvalbardSleeperDistrict Ай бұрын
@@annelliot622 A zero-evidence ad-hominem attack on someone is not an argument. Plus, as already noted, the video cites Israeli officials and military commanders confirming that history - "Mehdi Hasan's word" has nothing to do with any of it, unless, again, you're trying to trashtalk someone because you personally don't like them. And also Hasan is not the only one who has highlighted that history - there are books, articles and reports that have detailed it. Your disinterest in even watching that video to see the quotes and historical evidence, as opposed to your eagerness to make random, subjective claims about someone's trustworthiness with zero evidence, already says a lot.
@Ben55583
@Ben55583 Ай бұрын
Thank you so much, Chris, for inviting Paola Caridi and discuss Hamas, which - as you say - is demonised and completely misunderstood. This is a deliberate policy of course by Israel and the USA and Western European governments go along with it. There is some good literature about Hamas as a nationalist and islamic Palestinian resistance movement, but the October 7 attack has caused an extreme upsurge in the demonisation. Thanks for doing your best to put things in its proper perspective.
@joehopper3720
@joehopper3720 Ай бұрын
Thank you @therealnewsnetwork for sharing your pursuit of truth, justice, & humanity.
@AlaskenCabinFever
@AlaskenCabinFever Ай бұрын
Obviously, we live in corrupt monetary and literal hell, thanks for the verification Chris
@Sana0567
@Sana0567 Ай бұрын
Hamas is only a name. Resistance never dies inside and outside Pls. Electronic Intifada, Pls organizing camps in front of politician houses, increase of Pls documentaries are the proof. IR revolution didn’t happen when its leader was in jail or exiled to neighboring countries like Iraq. It happened when he was exiled to a small village in France. That took the world attention.
@josephsaleh7433
@josephsaleh7433 Ай бұрын
The confession of an economic hit man the book
@HOGH22
@HOGH22 Ай бұрын
Free Free Palestine! ✌💯
@HowlingWo1f
@HowlingWo1f Ай бұрын
They have their Palestine, it’s called Jordyn. Israel is Jewish Land 🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱
@michellekatz1023
@michellekatz1023 Ай бұрын
@@HowlingWo1f according to the Quran
@user-ev3sp1jl5n
@user-ev3sp1jl5n Ай бұрын
Thank you very much for the interview with Paola Caridi. I learned a lot from this interview, I will buy her book. Her conclusion makes sense. I cry for Palestinians.
@berniediedricks5681
@berniediedricks5681 Ай бұрын
Thank you from South Africa, More empowerment as humans unite for humanity. 💞
@nahidaislam6729
@nahidaislam6729 Ай бұрын
Fighting for existence not terrorism, taking other home, land is terrorism,
@brunojvaldez7277
@brunojvaldez7277 Ай бұрын
Thank you people need to be educated.
@offroadoffshore153
@offroadoffshore153 Ай бұрын
One of the best if not the best description on the rise of Hamas. A must watch and her book a must read.
@taranehahmadi-parker1412
@taranehahmadi-parker1412 Ай бұрын
Free Palestine 🇵🇸
@donaldseigel4101
@donaldseigel4101 Ай бұрын
From its corrupt terrorist leaders living in Qatar and Turkey!
@lulusp1023
@lulusp1023 Ай бұрын
Thanks for explaining and telling the truth...i just ordered your book : Hamas, Ms. Caridi. Freedom for Palestine now. Stop genocide now. Long live Aaron Bushnell ❤
@amaarahgarda4116
@amaarahgarda4116 Ай бұрын
Fascinating interview
@noricd
@noricd Ай бұрын
The ideological and cultural origins of Hamas are connected to the Islamic Brotherhood, which as Caridi confirms, in its 1920s beginning was a "reformist" Islamic movement. Decades ago I read about it and was very impressed by its progressive thinking in Egypt in the 1920s onwards when Egypt was the intellectual hub of Arab thought. My source remains in my library - Enayat, Hamid (1982) Modern Islamic Political Thought: The Response of the Shi"i and Sunni Muslims to the Twentieth Century. Macmillan Press. Hamid Enayat (1932-1982) had been Professor of Political Science at Tehran University. When the book was published he was teaching at Oxford University.
@khairulhelmihashim2510
@khairulhelmihashim2510 Ай бұрын
the reformist movement was a response to the state of Muslim communities facing imperialism, industrialisation, and globalization. it presented a third way for Muslim communities to stop civilizational decline, and embrace progress in modern world. Some Muslim leaders then opted to embrace secularism (Turkiye), or rejected modernism (Saudis).
@paulamarsh1
@paulamarsh1 Ай бұрын
At the end of the day, it simply rankles the Arab world that a successful Jewish state exists in their midst. 🙏🔯🕎🇮🇱
@hb98678
@hb98678 Ай бұрын
​@@paulamarsh1Not everyone shares your bigotry towards ppl of different religions.
@samcrawford9556
@samcrawford9556 Ай бұрын
Thank you all.
@pop1626
@pop1626 Ай бұрын
Thanks Chris for having Ms Caridi educate Me in who Hamas are and all the other information She provided... Ms Caridi if Your reading this I would like to give You My biggest of thanks also and My thoughts are with the People of Palestine especially in Gaza, their suffering I feel deeply, although Im on the other side of the world, Australia, I Just Wish I Could Stop The Suffering NOW I Really Really Do.. Thanks once again. PEACE and FREEDOM.
@joelleschachter2867
@joelleschachter2867 Ай бұрын
I am listening this documentary 3 times to really know the history of Hamas and Gaza so to be abled to tell Israeli Jewish people this true history Thank you
@iqxvgnz
@iqxvgnz Ай бұрын
It is definitely not for Israel to determine who in our world can be called a terrorist and who cannot; this word from their lips sounds mocking, as if they consider humanity to be clinical cretins. Anyone even remotely familiar with their true history will find this outrageous.
@shamim621
@shamim621 Ай бұрын
Exactly 💯
@erenyeagerist7681
@erenyeagerist7681 Ай бұрын
Not for CIA to determine also
@TheVafa95
@TheVafa95 Ай бұрын
Why argue about meaning of a word? Check the dictionary. Terrorism: the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion Terror: violence or the threat of violence used as a weapon of intimidation or coercion Mirriam Webster dictionary Conclusion: Looks like terrorism runs in the family. Both cousins have been doing it, while right now, one has an upper hand.
@georgerobartes2008
@georgerobartes2008 Ай бұрын
The Arab world calls Hamas and ISIS terrorist too .
@heni8794
@heni8794 Ай бұрын
Egypt and many others declared them as terrorist groups.
@dzilhopeland2992
@dzilhopeland2992 Ай бұрын
If you keep murdering, kicking people out of everything, the only thing they know, where are they suppose to go? Bow down at your feet? Like a dog?
@sarahne1
@sarahne1 Ай бұрын
What a FANTASTIC interview!
@AdolfsGirl
@AdolfsGirl Ай бұрын
go houthies
@-in-the-meantime...
@-in-the-meantime... Ай бұрын
Miles of tunnels under most cities in the world. Why the double standard?
@paulamarsh1
@paulamarsh1 Ай бұрын
Subway of New York? Plenty of tunnels...um no weapons though ..! 🤡
@suecollins8199
@suecollins8199 Ай бұрын
Plenty of weapons in the USA, probably the largest producer & exporter of armaments the world has EVER known!!😢
@donnavorce8856
@donnavorce8856 Ай бұрын
Yep
@dieterbarkhoff1328
@dieterbarkhoff1328 Ай бұрын
The Hamas 1987 Manifesto was totally changed in 2017.
@Sa-hi5nq
@Sa-hi5nq Ай бұрын
Thank you both so much. Very insightful and informative.
@kriss2558
@kriss2558 Ай бұрын
Long live the Palestinian resistance
@stevekaylor5606
@stevekaylor5606 Ай бұрын
Bring in the Oasis Plan of Shimon Peres - almost had this during 1993-5!
@Catharsis1983
@Catharsis1983 Ай бұрын
Great work sir we really appreciate your support.
@patland1762
@patland1762 Ай бұрын
Let's play word association. Say the word that comes to mind when you read the following words. 1. Genocide? 2. Israel?
@vincentyoung8472
@vincentyoung8472 Ай бұрын
Armenia Holy land
@-in-the-meantime...
@-in-the-meantime... Ай бұрын
1. israel 2. Scam
@zeinabalmqayyad8082
@zeinabalmqayyad8082 Ай бұрын
1. Gaza 2. Freedom fighters
@MonaLisa-lu8zi
@MonaLisa-lu8zi Ай бұрын
1...Germany 2. 1916
@stevekaylor5606
@stevekaylor5606 Ай бұрын
And 1917!@@MonaLisa-lu8zi
@pluto5746
@pluto5746 Ай бұрын
Thank you mr.chris Hedges .you are amazing journalist and perfect human being.
@hmmahfujur129
@hmmahfujur129 Ай бұрын
"Israel is a settler colonial project that is nearing its end,as colonial projects reach their final phase become more brutal and ruthless." - llan Pappe
@joshuafrank4643
@joshuafrank4643 Ай бұрын
LOL Instead of commenting with your own opinion, you quote a smart writer. Unfortunately, Pappe is wrong, and he'll eventually realize this. The words "settler colonial project" are getting very annoying to hear. Israel is the result of decolonization from the British Colonists. READ HISTORY, not Pappe.
@user-fm9es7pj2f
@user-fm9es7pj2f Ай бұрын
Thank you for the information 👍 Free Palestine 🇵🇸
@user-sf2nv4sp1k
@user-sf2nv4sp1k Ай бұрын
Soviet Union had considered terrorists who had fight against the occupation of Afghanistan from 1979 to 1989.
@Jordan77831
@Jordan77831 Ай бұрын
No doubt that while most of the Palestinians until this day choose a non-violent protest, a lot of them felt that their freedom will not be acheived through peaceful acts, but rather through violance. No matter what you think of "H" (the said organisation), it's understandable why the state of Israel wanted to use this organisation in order to seperate the Palestinians.
@saagisharon8595
@saagisharon8595 Ай бұрын
yes, they tried violence and look how that worked out for them
@BarbaraRenovato
@BarbaraRenovato Ай бұрын
​@@saagisharon8595They tried peaceful protest and IDF shot over a hundred unarmed Palestinians including children, disabled, medics and journalists!
@shikarahaar
@shikarahaar Ай бұрын
@@saagisharon8595they’ve tried peaceful means for decades and gotten nowhere. You will be familiar with the saying -those who prevent peaceful chances make violent revolution inevitable- you just expected them to lie down and accept inhumane conditions?
@bettyjaneantanavicius9800
@bettyjaneantanavicius9800 Ай бұрын
According to Franz Fanon,the oppressed have a right to use violence to liberate themselves
@poweroflove7320
@poweroflove7320 Ай бұрын
@@saagisharon8595I reply to you earlier but is gone 😂, now I forgot 🤣but …One thing I got to say Do some research This woman is not taking openly, I can’t say much against Zionist bcz YT is pro Israel
@NavM23
@NavM23 Ай бұрын
The Guardian: Gershon Baskin, who was involved in the negotiations to secure the release of the kidnapped Israeli soldier a decade ago said. “Netanyahu is off the rails,” wrote Baskin on X. “He is an existential danger to Israel. He must be gone from our lives.”
@vinlilas
@vinlilas Ай бұрын
Netanyahu is not the problem. Israel is founded on this genocidal idea, has been functioning for 75 yrs to ‘cleanse’ the area. Netanyahu is simply executing the final steps of the plans, and in a way that seems more outwardly unhinged but is no different to any other person taking steps in any ethnic cleansing programs. Perhaps you are pointing out he is a danger to Israel because of the pace and sloppy propaganda that is increasing international awareness of the nature of Israel itself?
@Roland_Deschain
@Roland_Deschain Ай бұрын
@@vinlilasPretty much. Root of the problem is zionism, while netan yahu being product of it. US and UK feeding the problem with unparalleled support.
@tempacc9589
@tempacc9589 Ай бұрын
Thanks Chris
@nuredin537
@nuredin537 Ай бұрын
Amazing analysis, very informative and educational. Thank you both 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
@cecigowin2347
@cecigowin2347 Ай бұрын
Oh, the hypocrisy of US race politics.
@AAgator
@AAgator Ай бұрын
Very impressive… Respect to real journalist … who ever watches this video is enlightened on topic with truth and integrity
@nagatahmed3989
@nagatahmed3989 Ай бұрын
معلومات ممتازة وحقيقية ❤
@michaelstorto8658
@michaelstorto8658 Ай бұрын
Thank you Chris and Paola Caridi for this great discussion giving so many historical details on the history of Palestinian movements and Hamas, so very valuable.
@jayspik6498
@jayspik6498 Ай бұрын
I am astounded by people I know don’t want to know the truth, but have this cognitive dissonance about the subject and refuse to hear the facts and the truth.. It’s very remarkable and I can’t understand this mindset..
@ramongonzales2292
@ramongonzales2292 Ай бұрын
Excellent guest. Thank you.
@olgaflorez9733
@olgaflorez9733 Ай бұрын
The interviewer dodged valid questions about the atrocities of Oct 7, 2024.
@frederiquecouture3924
@frederiquecouture3924 Ай бұрын
Bonne Journée Á Vous!
@simonlaonda9697
@simonlaonda9697 Ай бұрын
excellent digging journalism!
@basharabuali5514
@basharabuali5514 Ай бұрын
Great conversation Chris
@Disgruntled1986
@Disgruntled1986 Ай бұрын
Fascinating.
@gangajal9292
@gangajal9292 Ай бұрын
We innerstand all of it ...during ww2 it was called Resistance....in Italy we called the regime fighters partisans and never considered them terrorists....only the Israelis and the Americans have used that term without considering that only an occupying force is considered such...just to set the records straight....long live the Palestinian Partisans ❤🇯🇴
@anzeogrin9423
@anzeogrin9423 Ай бұрын
When Netanyahu stopped financing Hamas?
@mariahewitt9787
@mariahewitt9787 Ай бұрын
Never!
@stevekaylor5606
@stevekaylor5606 Ай бұрын
As an alternative to the Palestinian Authority Government, to contend against the Settlers!
@hassanal-mosawi4235
@hassanal-mosawi4235 Ай бұрын
Thanks Chris for telling the truth!
@xochitl7489
@xochitl7489 Ай бұрын
Excellent interview! Thanks
@eamar0509
@eamar0509 Ай бұрын
🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸✊✊🏽✊🏿🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸☝️🔻
@fractalmadness9253
@fractalmadness9253 Ай бұрын
They should really find a way to sell their books without having to transfer to another app.
@Tnega74
@Tnega74 Ай бұрын
I just bought the book, it's top tier
@thairk
@thairk Ай бұрын
Very useful analysis, thank you so much Paola and Chris!
@celienat9369
@celienat9369 Ай бұрын
I don't understand what makes this woman an expert on Hamas and the Palestinians. Very strange choice of Chris. It is funny that she refers to their terrorism not armed struggle although they are occupied and resisting occupation.Why can't a Palastenian expert speak on this topic?.
@hebaelwa
@hebaelwa Ай бұрын
You are so right. But probably the choice is because the western audience unfortunately would not listen to Palestinians who would be labeled by westerners (at least subconsciously) as "biased" before they utter a single word.
@singingway
@singingway Ай бұрын
Academics who write a book are often suddenly " the expert "
@celienat9369
@celienat9369 Ай бұрын
I am not sure about that. People are listening to Palestinians now and they want to learn and support them for the first time in history. Plus, Chris has interviewed a number of American/Palestinians. There are a number of Palestinians who were born in the West and more suitable to speak on these issues without the Westerner unconscious bias. @@hebaelwa
@stevekaylor5606
@stevekaylor5606 Ай бұрын
Leah Rabin wrote a book, but is no longer with us!@@singingway
@paulamarsh1
@paulamarsh1 Ай бұрын
Hedges and his guest are not experts nor scholars !
@eamar0509
@eamar0509 Ай бұрын
Why don't you start explaining the background history of the "Ghaza band", the status of Ghaza city before 1948?
@RobinHerzig
@RobinHerzig Ай бұрын
Recommend Tareq Baconi on the history of Hamas as a movement, a political party + governing body as well
@SwiftD6
@SwiftD6 Ай бұрын
More and more truth needs to be revealed about israel and it's sordid affairs.
@Dianeallen-ml5fp
@Dianeallen-ml5fp Ай бұрын
Agree💯
@user-df3sx2vl3l
@user-df3sx2vl3l Ай бұрын
"I and the public know/What all schoolchildren learn:/Those to whom evil is done/Do evil in return." W.H. Auden.
@stevekaylor5606
@stevekaylor5606 Ай бұрын
Two sovereign States, and comprehensive economic development for the region via the Oasis Plan of Shimon Perez!
@stevekaylor5606
@stevekaylor5606 Ай бұрын
Peres
@NuisanceMan
@NuisanceMan Ай бұрын
Very informative and enlightening interview
@margiehelberg4594
@margiehelberg4594 Ай бұрын
Since you mentioned the ANC I feel compelled to make a few remarks. I'm a white South African, 75 years of age and it is our generation that rebelled against the apartheid government. In 1994 South Africa was handed to the ANC on a silver platter. It had zero national debt, a solid infrastructure and a strong economy, self-reliant and even able to export various products. The first eight years of the new democracy, under the presidency of Nelson Mandela went very well. There was good cooperation and very little dissidence. Now, 30 years later, I would like to invite you here to come and see for yourself what the country and the economy looks like. The younger generation of well educated black people, the "born frees", i.e. those born after the end of apartheid are sick and tired of the rampant government corruption and lack of services and are looking to vote the ANC out of office. I wonder if you have ever been to Iran, Lebanon, Gaza and the West Bank to observe their way of ruling their countries and quality of life of their populations. For that matter, when last did you visit South Africa? Just asking
@johnstewart7025
@johnstewart7025 Ай бұрын
Are all these societies mainly tribal? Does that explain reliance on corruption? 120 years ago, USA biggest cities were run by corrupt politicians.
@leesadenton6177
@leesadenton6177 Ай бұрын
FREE PALESTINE 🇵🇸
@MatityahuBenYehuda
@MatityahuBenYehuda Ай бұрын
Free from Hamas
@kathiemorgan5492
@kathiemorgan5492 Ай бұрын
free them from evil crazy hamas
@Marius_vanderLubbe
@Marius_vanderLubbe Ай бұрын
Excellent guest. Thank you, Chris.
@Ass_of_Amalek
@Ass_of_Amalek Ай бұрын
I've already gotten two day suspensions from youtube comments for attempting to accurately characterize what the h-crew is, without even opining on any recent actions. I believe the main sticking points were the usage of the term "nat°°nal liber°tion m°vem°nt" and non-usage of "te°°orist" and "iran-backed".
@torengallagher8368
@torengallagher8368 Ай бұрын
LUL not just me although those wernt setting it off for me
@gerhard7323
@gerhard7323 Ай бұрын
There's no real rhyme nor reason to its algorithm it seems to me. People say the most shocking things and there they stay and yet frequently have I typed things that I would regard as factual, verifiable often innocuous statements and they're removed. Emoting, positively or negatively regardless of the issue, seems to be acceptable as long as actual facts or points of contention aren't included. It's incredibly frustrating as it either intentionally or unintentionally squashes debate.
@torengallagher8368
@torengallagher8368 Ай бұрын
@@gerhard7323 its getting increasingly difficult just to describe things guns for instance iv realized it really doesnt like the part that frustrates me the most is this isnt unique to YT free platforms are becoming more and more scarce
@gerhard7323
@gerhard7323 Ай бұрын
@@torengallagher8368 Case in point. My reply to you has disappeared.
@Jean-rg4sp
@Jean-rg4sp Ай бұрын
Please see above.
@tacolover5000
@tacolover5000 Ай бұрын
people forget that the leader of the PLO which was a peaceful government was killed bye the opposite side.
@toriverdin3692
@toriverdin3692 11 күн бұрын
Thank you so much for Dr. Caridi for your vital research; and to Chris Hedges for your brave journalism! Kudos to both! ✊🏽🍉
@willieduffie4967
@willieduffie4967 Ай бұрын
Thank you ✊
@habibj1800
@habibj1800 Ай бұрын
Chris Hedges is my favourite journalist, forevermore. God bless you Mr Hedges!
@chinysukainepyobytt4506
@chinysukainepyobytt4506 Ай бұрын
Amen 🙏
@elainejbaskin4255
@elainejbaskin4255 Ай бұрын
Chris is a great interviewer and host- he allows his guest time to respond to a ? Uninterrupted, respectful, attentive. Thanks. Such an interesting broadcast- will read Hamas by Paola Caridi.
@adamson760
@adamson760 Ай бұрын
"It matters not what puppet is placed upon the throne, he who controls the money supply, controls the Empire"
@gypon2732
@gypon2732 Ай бұрын
Important facts. They must be presented to a broader professional intl community in order they are able to take the facts into account wheras appropriate. Specially concerning the current narrative and together with other key facts.
@stevekaylor5606
@stevekaylor5606 Ай бұрын
Also, the narrative from 1993-5. Rabin and Arafat almost brought the Oasis Plan to the region!
@jacklanham7311
@jacklanham7311 Ай бұрын
Great show.
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