Handmade Slapjack - AKA "The Persuader!"

[@utubeu8129]

using that spoon for a mold was just what I was looking for. Thank you!

[@SugarcreekForge]

I am glad that I helped you!

[@jarchdm]

Is it heavy enough? I've made 2 saps the first was a trial no spring inside so too floppy and not enough weight in the head. The next one I'm satisfied with the steel ruler I cut to fit and melted the lead around, then glued and sowed it into the leather. Very slim in fact got it in my back pocket right now. Invisible but effective.

[@topofmyhead]

Brilliant way of casting the head

[@SugarcreekForge]

Thank you :-)

[@WhatsthePOINT_EDC]

Man this is damn cool. It’s something anybody can do and you made this as simple as possible. I wish we could have seen the full build process. Good stuff!

[@gprime3702]

Cool video. Great music.

[@SugarcreekForge]

Thanks, G Prime :-)

[@burrburr6816]

Music is why I stopped watched watching after 1 minute

[@ObjectHistory]

Cool to see a homemade flat sap, beaver tail , slapjack, etc. put together like that.

[@SugarcreekForge]

Thanks, buddy. I love the addition of spring stock. A lot of the old ones just rely on stiffer leather. This type should last forever and not become flimsy.

[@ObjectHistory]

Check out my channel if you want to see old examples of them, lots and lots and lots of examples (working through the weapon family's overall history and just recently made it to flat saps though, so more to come).

[@TheGreatest1974]

@@ObjectHistory your channel is excellent!👍🇬🇧

[@ObjectHistory]

@@TheGreatest1974 Appreciate it.

[@sheldondillon]

You make it look so easy. Thats the sign of a master though huh.

[@rickdel73]

Man, guys on KZbin make things look so easy!! Awesome video!

[@SugarcreekForge]

Thanks, rickdel73. I appreciate the encouragement. :-)

[@jesusmelgoza5988]

It came out great 👍 good job

[@SugarcreekForge]

Thanks, JM! I am glad that you like it and took the time to leave me a comment. Have a great day!

[@DavidSmith-ox4tu]

This looks like great fun to make.

[@SugarcreekForge]

Hi David - It really was :-)

[@TexasNightRider]

The sap is a great self-defense weapon one level before deploying a firearm. I have seen many people struck with a sap and it is a very effective weapon. I would not recommend a head strike which could be fatal unless the use of deadly force is justified. I would recommend a 4-ply sap because I have seen the lead weight fly out of a 2-ply on a hard strike. Many companies make these weapons although they are prohibited in some jurisdictions. Great video.

[@SugarcreekForge]

Thanks, JDP. That is good information to have. What are less-lethal places to strike with one?

[@TexasNightRider]

@@SugarcreekForge Any place below the neck. Shoulder blades, elbows, ribs are effective strike zones and will cause the subject to reevaluate the situation. I have seen a morbidly obese male absorb a couple of blows to the upper arm and chest but the sap was eventually effective. Personally I would rely on pepper spray first if possible. I have sprayed several people with Sabre Red. They are startled for about 1 - 2 seconds which can give you time to place some distance between you and them, but once they recover they have another (on average) about 10 - 12 seconds to continue the attack before they start with the Wilhelm scream. The good thing is there are no injuries. Both are effective weapons.

[@tasteslikepennies2549]

Duh if it flies out you know that you're doing it right

[@Raul28153]

That molded lead makes it so much more lethal. #6 Birdshot will do the job just fine and is way less likely to kill.

[@SugarcreekForge]

Good point

[@cigarcaptain]

I luv it. You have a great way of getting things done. And they always turn out cool!

[@SugarcreekForge]

Mr. CC! Always good to hear from you. Thanks for the kind words.

[@adamkostan1582]

Nice video -keep them coming -I like y yours craftmenship

[@SugarcreekForge]

Thanks, Adam. I need to keep posting and I really appreciate the encouragement :-)

[@sa1402]

great video and the music is a plus... thank you so much

[@SugarcreekForge]

I am so glad that you liked it! Thanks for the encouragement and for taking the time to leave me a comment.

[@MrLeonidas0001]

Ok that is cool Tim! Glad to see you still are working hard with your hands :)

[@SugarcreekForge]

Hi buddy! Yep, still working... just need to get more videos made.

[@TheGreatest1974]

What a cool thing! 🇬🇧👍

[@SugarcreekForge]

Thank you very much 🙂

[@Tito_Viera]

You have my subscribe!!! Thanks for the video, and greetings from Chile!!

[@SugarcreekForge]

Thanks, Tito! Nice to meet you :-)

[@gmill2316]

Explain to me your wet forming set up. It looks like something I’m going to need in my workshop. 😊

[@SugarcreekForge]

Sure! It is a simple Kydex press. It is made from 3/4 plywood with a spacer on one end the thickness of the wood + the thickness of the foam on both surfaces. It is attached with hinges and works kind of like a tortilla press. Here is a link to a guy making one similar to mine: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pKbQmpyalpl-bK8

[@toddkamuf6814]

Good afternoon, just watched your video, where do you buy the spring steel at?

[@SugarcreekForge]

Hi Todd - I used a a piece of broken metal cutting bandsaw blade. Metal banding works too. It is springy and you can get it usually for free from lumber yards. Lumber bunks are often banded with metal banding to hold them together

[@toddkamuf6814]

Thanks, l will go by Lowe’s then

[@thecrazyvaper9301]

Made one for a friend, used a flat oval lead weight from an old tackle box

[@SugarcreekForge]

That was a good idea to use that

[@michaelshearer3559]

This is great idea, and curious if you have made another or what you might do differently? Where can you get a melting cup like that that plugs in?

[@SugarcreekForge]

Thanks Michael. I have made several different ones. I bought a mold that is for casting a certain kind of fishing weight that works great. Just search Electric melting pot. You can find them on eBay or Amazon

[@michaelshearer3559]

Thanks! Love to see them if you make another video.@@SugarcreekForge

[@raygetoutdoors6151]

Now we know where the phrase "slapped upside the head comes from". Man, that would put a knot on you bigtime... The springsteel was the ticket. Ray....Oklahoma

[@SugarcreekForge]

Haha, I am sure that is where the phrase comes from too. Thanks for the comment, Ray.

[@lsubslimed]

Great ta see ya on KZbin again Tim! 🙂. That turned out great, and I think that little strip of spring steel (banding strip?) was a great idea. 👍👍. I'm curious to see wha it would do to a watermelon or something, although I understand why something like that may not be shared 😬

[@SugarcreekForge]

Hi Paul - I know... I need to do more videos and post them regularly. You are absolutely right about the spring steel. It totally makes it.

[@wlesie6067]

try it on a pig's head

[@seanhuds7351]

Why does the persuading portion of leather suddenly change colour about half way through? Looks like we are missing a step here.

[@the_once-and-future_king.]

Soaked in hot water and/or wax to make it malleable to form around the weight.

[@Grummash]

Definitely a 'Saturday Night Special' :-)

[@SugarcreekForge]

Indeed, sir. I faintly hear Lynyrd Skynyrd singing, "Mr. Saturday Night Special..." in my head when I read your comment.

[@nickwoo2]

Great work!

[@SugarcreekForge]

Thanks, Nick!

[@elmanitasdeplomo]

This looks like a fun project but I have never tried working with leather. What type/thickness of leather would be good and what tools would I need?

[@TerryThomas812]

thanks for the video, how heavy is the lead?

[@SugarcreekForge]

you are very welcome. It was about 8 ounces

[@dedmotorhed]

The spring steel, how thick of piece do you use? About the same as steel banning straps?

[@SugarcreekForge]

That is exactly what it was, Jay. Steel Banding straps

[@twalk6164]

what was that lead melter? really cool. Nicely done overall.

[@SugarcreekForge]

Thanks, buddy. It is a little electric melting pot.

[@tonythetiger.9148]

Very Nice Video,Thank You.!!!👍

[@SugarcreekForge]

You are very welcome :-)

[@lionbear7706]

Well that was very cool, the spoon mold! and spring steel, excellent....but, whats on im sure everyone's mind is , how did it work? were you able to knock anyone out with one blow? did it leave a big goose egg on their head? etc... come on, give details

[@SereneMadnesschannel]

Tim's getting all Slap Happy...LOL.. I Think it's Time for another Build Along... What do you think...! I need some Inspiration... My Best Brother...

[@chillmurray7529]

Love the song! What is it?

[@TheGreatest1974]

That looks so good! What were the extra shaped pieces of leather covering the lead for? To stop it moving around? And what thread did you use? I may try making one. 👍🇬🇧

[@SugarcreekForge]

Yes, that is exactly what the extra leather is for. I used heavy nylon thread. You should go for it!

[@TheGreatest1974]

@@SugarcreekForge oh I fully intend to! I want to make two, one for myself and one for my older brother. We are getting on in years..... an equaliser would be welcome! Thanks for showing me how! I’ll get back to you in the future, and I’ll do a ‘short’ to show you them. 👍👍🇬🇧

[@kaziklu79]

It looks good :)

[@SugarcreekForge]

Thanks!

[@texaslonestarrider]

That is really cool Tim! its been a while. keep it up! Stay safe my friend!

[@SugarcreekForge]

Thanks, Rex :-)

[@grackle8723]

That is awesome

[@SugarcreekForge]

Thanks, buddy :-)

[@AussieMark909]

Nice project Tim. Of course here in the nanny state carrying such a thing is illegal.

[@SugarcreekForge]

Thanks, Mark. I think carrying them here would be very iffy too. But, if someone steps onto my property and the need a little persuading... well, that is a different story.

[@Road-Jockey_747]

Only illegal if you get caught

[@actionman9357]

You will never have a lack of customers! ;- b

[@SugarcreekForge]

Thanks :-)

[@astrumdeus7098]

What is the name of that little plug in furnace pot called that your melted the lead in??

[@SugarcreekForge]

It is a Lee lead melting pot.

[@martinleicht5911]

What is the best length for an edc sap ? 🤔🤔🤔

[@SugarcreekForge]

I think that depends on how you will carry it. If it is too short, it is more difficult to swing.

[@benjaminbongolan8283]

How much for one if you’re taking orders?

[@BillBraskyy]

_looks proudly upon first sap ever made by my own hands_ Me: I'm gonna call you The Enforcer! Sentient sap: *I WANNA BE CALLED SPAGHETTI!*

[@SugarcreekForge]

Yeah, buddy! :-) You need to post a video of it on your channel.

[@knivesandstuff]

Tim, we are going to need a follow up video some time where some poor sorry sob is on the ground crying as you calmly show the functionality of this thing to the camera :) A Perfect Pick Pocket Pounder :D

[@SugarcreekForge]

Haha! I will try to get that filmed Kyley! I am going to stroll around Sugarcreek with a huge bait wallet hanging out of my back pocket and see if I can attract a pick pocket :-)

[@guymitchell114]

can you show us how to make the leather press, i can see the outside, but not the inside. thanx

[@SugarcreekForge]

Hi Guy - It is the same thing as a Kydex press. Just search for how to make one here on KZbin. You will find some good videos. Good luck, buddy

[@jaylin1932]

Where did you source the spring steel?

[@SugarcreekForge]

Hi Jay - I used a piece of heavy banding material that a lumber yard uses to band lumber together. They just let me dig it out of their trash. It is high enough carbon to be strong and springy. It worked perfectly!

[@mitchdroese84]

How much lead did you use?

[@RaduMichael]

Where do i get the flexible piece of steel? I tried a metal saw blade but it breaks....😢

[@SugarcreekForge]

I use metal cutting bandsaw blades. You can also use metal strapping. The stuff that they bind pallets of lumber with.

[@RaduMichael]

@@SugarcreekForge thank you !

[@theghostofsw6276]

What type of saw blade broke? Are you talking about a hand saw for cutting wood?

[@RaduMichael]

@@theghostofsw6276 no, the type used to cut metals. Thin, long and with the smallest teeth .

[@theghostofsw6276]

@@RaduMichael Aaaah OK....thanks. Just making sure. Cheers!

[@vizaromax]

hello, I'd saw your beautiful B.J.. A few years back , I carried about the same item on me and I was ripped of 150€ , I drove near the marketplace wen I saw him!! Parked my van and approched him very easy and without sound . The first blow was on his cheekbone because he feel that there was something coming for him . Imanage to give 3 hard blows , my springsteel stood in a 90°angle with the clubbing part . Perhaps is steelcabel a better option . Thanx for youre video . DReinhardt Netherlands

[@SugarcreekForge]

That is a very amazing story my friend! I think that guy will never steal from you again :-) I wonder if your spring steel was tempered a little bit soft. But I do think your idea for cable is a very good one. Thank you for your kind words and encouragement. If I am in the Netherlands sometime, I want to buy you a beer and hear the story in person!

[@ArcaneTinker]

Do you suppose casting two separate spoon ingots and sandwiching them on either side of a full length spring shank would make much of a difference? Too stiff perhaps? I would love to give this a go. I have a small collection of rather long used up sawzall "torch" metal cutting blades that I think would make pretty handy steel shanks.

[@SugarcreekForge]

I think that could work nicely, Morgan. You can always sand/grind the Sawzall blades if they feel too stiff. I don't see why it wouldn't work.

[@mpsteel9591]

I've never met you but I'm from sugarcreek and would love the opportunity to meet with you sometime and chat about bladesmithing

[@SugarcreekForge]

Sorry! I didn't see this comment before. I would love to meet you too.

[@mpsteel9591]

Contact me anytime 3304013843

[@tasteslikepennies2549]

What is the tool called that you are using to melt that lead? I've never seen a miniature device for smelting like that

[@SugarcreekForge]

It is called a "Hot Pot". They now make a "Hot Pot II". It is for melting lead to cast bullets and fishing weights.

[@tasteslikepennies2549]

@@SugarcreekForge excellent! Thank you very much for responding to this

[@RocketCityGardener]

Don't know about the legalities of shipping them, but you should make one for the ZombieGoBoom guys to test on one of their zombie heads.

[@carebear8762]

You can ship them. No US Fed restrictions. State and local laws may apply. Looks like the site I got mine from (sap man?) isn't around anymore.

[@SugarcreekForge]

That is very good to know, Matthew. Thanks for posting that.

[@ajaxmalokimby6620]

That plug in melting pot I want one

[@SugarcreekForge]

It works really well and I think you would love it. I got mine at a garage sale for $10 Where do you live?

[@jasondeer9059]

How thick is the leather you used for this?

[@SugarcreekForge]

It was a little bit thinner than I use for a knife sheath.

[@jasondeer9059]

Great video my friend!

[@SugarcreekForge]

@@jasondeer9059 Thanks, Jason1

[@josephlong1914]

What melter is that? I need one!

[@SugarcreekForge]

Hey Joseph - It is a small lead melting pot made for casting bullets. You can buy them from Cabela's and they are often for sale on Ebay.

[@a.p.shumate6385]

What type of scissors/shears are those you're using at @ 1:20? Thanks!

[@SugarcreekForge]

They are leather cutting scissors that I got from Weaver Leather. You are very welcome

[@whitneyallen9237]

I own a couple saps that I have bought. Fortunately they are totally legal in my state (Utah) I bought 1 on Amazon and one at my local Army/Navy Surplus Store in Salt Lake City. However, as to be expected, any sap one finds on Amazon or Military Surplus Store is masses produced, and while I am sure it works, it is cheap looking and not what I am looking for aesthetically. I have an idea of what I want and though the others are functional, the look I want is more because it’s kind of cool, not because I intended on relying on it to use. I have bought the supplies to make oneThat I have found very little information on the process of sap making an no videos until this one. It seems pretty self-explanatory, and I was just going to freestyle it. I am a woodworking hobbyists and amateur craftsman, but I am not a leather smith and have virtually no experience with leather craft. So while the project seems obvious, like most projects there are no doubt things one doesn’t account when crafting a project for the first few times. Great video, thank you for posting it. It gave me a couple of new ideas and reinforced that my plan of attack is on the right track, I was just missing some details that would really simply unforeseen variables. Do you have any resources for other plans, videos, ideas, or information on different styles like shot filled, saps with out a spring, etc. great video, thanks for the upload.

[@SugarcreekForge]

Hi - Thanks for your kind words. I don't really have any other resources for making them. I just kind of winged it based on what I have seen. Good luck and keep me posted! Tim

[@whitneyallen9237]

I certainly will do, I appreciate the follow up! Well done on your project. I am excited to give it my best shot. (PS sorry for all the grammatical errors on my original post. I need to proofread a little more thoroughly when I use voice dictation) :) thanks again.

[@SugarcreekForge]

No worries - I am such a good speller that I can spell every word 3 different ways! :-)

[@albertcaymar]

hi salutations, Greetings the small metal bale from where you took it or where you bought it??very good job very well finished thanks

[@SugarcreekForge]

I used a piece of banding steel. I got it for free from a lumber dealer. It is used to band together large bundles of lumber.

[@albertcaymar]

@@SugarcreekForge OK,very thanks

[@SugarcreekForge]

@@albertcaymar You are most welcome!

[@михаил-ы6с2х]

what kind of metal plate? how can it be replaced?

[@ReasonAboveEverything]

Take a metal saw blade and snap it in half. Two pieces should give you enough spring.

[@GICUSTOM]

That beard though!!!~!!!!!!!!

[@SugarcreekForge]

Pray for it brother. It is so thin on the sides that my cat almost licked it off yesterday :-)

[@ChuckSteakKicksass]

if your dad has no beard you have got two mothers☝️😜

[@shaemuscarr4492]

And suddenly I want to see more of your Form Press, instead 😅

[@SugarcreekForge]

🙂I understand that, SC. It is a simple Kydex press. If you search "how to make a kydex press" here on YT, you will see several like it. It is a square of plywood and then some small pieces stacked up to give one end some height and then another piece attached to that stack with two hinges. Then it has heat-resistant foam glued to the inside of the bottom and the top that touches in the middle. So when you press down it compresses all around the object. I hope that helps!

[@shaemuscarr4492]

@@SugarcreekForge sweet. I will look into that, thanks. Just looks WAY quicker than the old Wet and Press by hand or building individual Forms every time 😅

[@SugarcreekForge]

@@shaemuscarr4492 It is!

[@Ckom-Tunes]

Dd you sell them?

[@maoil6525]

What thickness leather?

[@SugarcreekForge]

8/9 Ounce on this one

[@shootmkillerxd8101]

wow Tim, its been a while. keep it up. waiting for more vids !

[@SugarcreekForge]

I know, buddy. I have to get more videos done and posted. Thanks for the encouragement.

[@aarondavis5535]

My dad had some really thick leather made from

[@TheGreatest1974]

Made from what?

[@xtxt9135]

In commonwealth countries,its called an interview cosh.

[@SugarcreekForge]

That is a great name for it! :-)

[@xtxt9135]

,its literal.Truth and cooperation are much esteemed cultural values

[@SugarcreekForge]

@@xtxt9135 It would definitely get cooperation and truth when used in an interview :-)

[@ApacheChief]

I volunteer to be the test dummy.

[@SugarcreekForge]

I will have to make a mini version 🙂

[@snazdogdbfan251]

Tactical spoon

[@SugarcreekForge]

Indeed. Heehee

[@killmimes]

Next time dust the spoon with talcum

[@SugarcreekForge]

Nice tip! Thank you

[@utz3710]

What would you do with it????????????? I'm all about love 😍 ❤😘💕💜💙😊

[@GreenManLeather]

I’m curious why you would show the world the tips and tricks with sap weapons? As well this Isnt made properly to defend. Please test it on a Human for feedback.

[@SugarcreekForge]

Hi Green Man - I am not sure what you mean when you say you are "curious why you would show the world the tips and tricks with sap weapons". Do you mean why I showed how I made this one, or that I did not show any tips and tricks on how to use it? Please help me to understand. I checked out your work on your website and you really make beautiful stuff. I modeled this one after one carried by an older policeman back when they were allowed to carry them. So, the design was tested against a lot of humans :-) Since you make them professionally, I would love to hear your feedback on the best designs. Cheers, Tim

[@GreenManLeather]

SugarcreekForge you plan to make money off making saps, it isn’t wise to show other aspiring folks how to make... less money in your pocket.

[@SugarcreekForge]

@@GreenManLeather Ah! I understand now. Thanks for the feedback

[@TheGreatest1974]

And here’s part 2!👍 kzbin.info/www/bejne/rZm7l4KOg5afeJo

[@TariqBusy]

This song is sobad that it's distracting. Good technique though.

[@SugarcreekForge]

Sorry, buddy...

[@houndsman406]

Wow that is so not how to build that Use bird shot and sand in the pocket A spring helps in the handle

[@paulmarren7970]

Dont worry bout me im a miserable #### I need therapy🤗

[@SugarcreekForge]

Haha, cheers buddy

[@jpc27210]

all man been missing your videos. thought you got lost in Africa

[@SugarcreekForge]

Lol - Thanks, Jeremy!

[@darbydeer7714]

~~~~~~~

[@willieboy925]

This ain't homemade you said you got a shop and who has a leather press in there house? I sure don't but thanks for showing me how the "shops" do it

[@SugarcreekForge]

Hey, William. I made that press myself out of plywood and door hinges. You can make one too. You are welcome.

[@markmak7548]

The music let's this video down. It would be. I think better to accompany the video with a voice over helpful to explain some of what you are doing and a better battery might help. 👎

[@paulmarren7970]

Not watchable!!! Noise levels and musical taste and such a pheraputic subject .....Shame.

[@SugarcreekForge]

Sorry you didn't like it Paul. I am not sure why it is so loud... What does pheraputic mean?

[@TheGreatest1974]

I love the video but I have to watch it silent because of that god awful music! 👍

[@harrywernsman9045]

Lose the stupid background music.

[@MikeNelson-s4o]

Pretty lame song!

[@michaelduncan2151]

NO WELT.....???

[@SugarcreekForge]

Not on this one. The lead is sewn into 2 layers of leather.

[@kenlewis1775]

What thickness of spring steel did you use?

[@ddlm77]

Where to find the spring steel that goes inside?

[@SugarcreekForge]

You can use steel banding material. I get it for free from a local lumber yard. It is used to hold bundles of lumber together and they throw it away.

[@ddlm77]

@@SugarcreekForge thank you

[@markmak7548]

The music let's this video down. It would be. I think better to accompany the video with a voice over helpful to explain some of what you are doing and a better battery might help. 👎

[@PaulNelson980]

Agree,music is not necessary,helpful narration much better.