Hang Up on Judge? Contempt! Ep. 7.249

[@buckcurtin4265]

As a Senior Judge in Florida with 31 years on the bench, good explanation of courtroom decorum and contempt.

[@livinginvancouverbc2247]

You must've heard some interesting "Florida Man..." cases!

[@buckcurtin4265]

@@livinginvancouverbc2247 Been suggested I write a book. 31 years on the bench, lots of interesting experiences.

[@danielgorz7594]

@@buckcurtin4265 I would buy the book In a heartbeat!

[@tonybusch384]

@@buckcurtin4265 I would buy that

[@buckcurtin4265]

@@kidwave1 Not! Have no idea what a freemason is.

[@thomasjamison2050]

A place for my favorite Thaddeus Stevens quote from the Christiana Treason Trial. "Mr. Stevens, are you trying to show contempt for this Court?" "Why, no your Honor. I am doing everything I can to hide it."

[@BrianFullerton]

"You mocking me?" "No, Judge. I wore this ridiculous thing, for you."

[@gmc9753]

Or, "You were serious about that?"

[@ronaldpigeon4713]

Classic!

[@zappyeats2579]

Much respect for saying your client comes before your ego/feelings. That is how it should be.

[@davecarsley8773]

But if her client refuses to accept her legal advice, and she therefore believes she is not able to advocate in her client's best interest, it seems to me that her only option is to no longer represent him. In fact, I would argue she actually has a _duty_ to stop representing him. So what the hell is she supposed to do when a judge locks her into representing a client she can't advocate for the best interests of??? Certainly, the best option would have been to handle the issue later rather than in the hearing at that very moment. But I don't know the legal process well enough to know if she _could_ handle it later. Maybe that hearing was the ONLY chance her client had to take the deal that was going to save him a bunch of future hardship, fines, or loss of freedom in the future. If so. She may have felt that at that very moment, her only two choices were to do something that was NOT in the best interests of her [possibly mentally disabled] client, or to cease representing him. And since the judge wouldn't allow her the latter, her only choice left would have been to represent her client poorly-- in direct contravention of the oath she swore as an attorney. So what should she have done?

[@SirLyonhart]

Threatening a judge does not seem conducive to a long, successful career.

[@malcolm20091000]

I testified for 3 days in a Zoom trial. Each day I put on a clean dress shirt, slacks, tie, jacket and even shoes to sit in front of my computer in my home office. They only saw me from my elbows up, but still. As Steve said, dressing "up" was part of the ritual of getting my mind out of my house and into a court room, something that is so necessary to testify well. I am sure that the judge notices how people are dressed, their "room" environment, and their demeanor especially if it differs from her expectation had they been in physically in front of her.

[@elizabethwolfgang4017]

This is "Entitlement" behavior at its finest by the attorney. Shes going to regret those texts bigtime.

[@danieljones317]

She may also know something that the judge doesn't. Sorry, I ALWAYS want the whole story, not half of it from a news feed. It has too much spin for me to swallow in one bite.

[@elizabethwolfgang4017]

@@danieljones317 yeah, its important to get the whole story. In this case, what is more? The reasoning she may have to hang up on a judge & then follow up texting in the manner to which was quoted, allows anyone with any manners or decorum to understand that the attorney has entitlement issuse. Therefore, no Judge will tolerate that attitude or behavior. She will regret her follow up texts because [they] reintrate her point, which was also quoted,that she's made her decision & the Judge is according to her not to infringe on her choice she has made or else? I hope that's clear enough for you. Not tring to be tiffy, I've been interrupted to many times(kids) Have a great week.

[@elizabethwolfgang4017]

Oh, its way worse, check out the video YT put my way from a Natalielawyerchick. It appears to be the zoom call that took place for court, with an attorney commenting while paused. The video was an eye opener for this particular case.

[@nacoran]

I saw a comment from one of the people who was involved in the whole thing at the capitol. She was arrested the other day after posting on Twitter about being there, saying she'd do it again, and how they didn't commit any acts of vandalism but 'we broke down the door to Pelosi's office.' The local news station was doing a follow up. Apparently the station couldn't get anyone to talk to them on camera but they said numerous neighbors had said they weren't surprised. (Apparently she was a former mayoral candidate.) What struck me the most out of the whole thing was she made a comment that sometime in the next few days she was going to text her side of the story... and all I could think was that she must not have legal representation yet because that sounded like the worst possible thing she could possibly do in the situation, but I'm anxiously awaiting seeing that series of tweets. It seems like it may be like watching the Titanic hitting the iceberg in one of those cinematic cuts where they keep showing the same thing over and over from different angles.

[@PrinceAlberts]

No matter how you cut it; no matter what the rest of the story is, she was undoubtedly in contempt. Now, there may be other mitigating circumstances that could’ve been left out, but she certainly didn’t handle it professionally, or in a good way.

[@kayleenfeher4341]

Kind of sounds like the attorney is the one who has some mental health issues. I applaud the judge for trying to advocate for the client.

[@BuckyDenzil]

Wow, how to throw away a law degree and career in a brief moment of time!

[@bbol745]

Seems like the phrases “appear” and “disappear” can be literal in a virtual courtroom. It’s amazing how people act in front of a computer vs in person. “I bet I don’t appear again” HANGS UP. Ladies and gentlemen the attorney has just disappeared!

[@MarsMan1]

*I think Chuck Schumer said something similar to the US Supreme Court (Threats)! No Harm No Foul when you are in the Ruling Class! So It is OK to Threaten 9 Judges in Public but not one judge on a zoom call?*

[@ALRIGHTYTHEN.]

"As for that fine...straight cash homie" That's some serious attitude. I hope she never becomes a judge.

[@JKiler1]

She's barely an attorney. Her client is the one who should be begging for alternate representation.

[@RepublicConstitution]

Yeah she'd be just like the fool judge she had in this case.

[@nyx211]

She was actually a former prosecutor.

[@richardburke6902]

That bad judge you mentioned: If I had challenged her she would have taken it out on my client and me!

[@sammhill8686]

A video of the happening would probably confirm a suspicion that many of us have.

[@rakuraa4773]

The best part was when the judge asked if the attorney wanted to talk to her client before things escalated.

[@Roadglide911]

My ex wife was hit head on by a drunk driver whose family was friends with the elected DA here in podunk TN. The 25 yo driver was driving a new corvette given to him by his mother. During court the assistant DA told the judge he was dismissing all charges because the police officer filled out the accident report incorrectly, point of impact between the vehicles. I was standing there with my now ex and needless to say I lost it. Now I was a former police officer in a major East Coast city and knew what was going on because I had been given a heads up by friends who worked in said po dunk dept. I told the judge that it must be nice being friends with the DA. The judge immediately responded that if I didn’t shit up he’d find me in contempt. I told the judge that he wouldn’t have to find me in contempt that I offered it to him without him having to look very hard for it. The valid approaches mr and I told the judge that when I got out of jail I was going to buy a full page in the local newspaper detailing the events. I was escorted out of the court room with no contempt charges. 3 yrs later I was at another local sheriffs department conducting business when I saw the same ole boy being walked out to a state prison van. I asked a buddy what he had done and was told he was going down for a habitual motor offender for a few years. (His fried the ejected DA had lost the election the yr before). I knew some of the guys working so I walked up to the prison van and asked the now inmate if he remembered me? He looked down and said yeah. I told him I hoped that he enjoyed his vacation and told him to not drop the soap.

[@welshdragon99]

As a defence attorney they must be constantly telling their clients to shut their mouths in public. If only they took that advice themselves (especially after the outburst) they may have got off lightly but bad things may well be coming to them now...

[@mitchschneider1927]

Sounds like the client and attorney have something in common.🤯

[@Ron4885]

lol :)

[@danieljones317]

I had a Public Defender, once. Fortunately for me, the guy's father was one BIG lawyer. The DS tried time and time again to get me to take a plea. I denied every plea, and tool a misdemeanor to a JURY trial. Unheard of, right? Yea, well, I went to college THAT YEAR, and of all the people to have as an instructor, the Assistant States Attorney. Yea. So, ibid more than my homework, showed ALL KINDS of evidence, gave it to the PD, who then would forward the info to the DA... Truth was, I was being nailed for driving a fancy car, two blocks from my home. The biggest mistake of my life was not suing the cop for false arrest. As a fellow citizen, if you have totally, honestly, and NO LIES TO YOURSELF, have done nothing wrong, fight, fight hard, and go after the real perp, the COP. Not saying they are all bad, but the bad ones will stand out quite well on their own.

[@groermaik]

That lawyer sounds just like a convict, "I will give respect only if I am given respect", when there is no respect given by that lawyer.

[@ianbattles7290]

Respect is earned, not given. I do not automatically owe somebody respect just because of their age/position/etc. Example: Donald Trump

[@groermaik]

@@ianbattles7290 Square business, as the convicts would say.

[@bryantkapono4241]

I don't think you have to be a convict to feel that way

[@groermaik]

@@bryantkapono4241 True, but the way she said it brought back stupid memories from the blocks in Ionia, Jackson and Carson City, Michigan.

[@fisherohvf-men623]

@@ianbattles7290 you mean "Former President, Donald Trump"?

[@hammer9390]

Great video. It's a shame that all attorneys, judges and politicians don't have the same professionalism and integrity that you display.

[@1noryb]

have to remember, respect is not agreement. know the environment you are in, know how to discuss your difference within the protocol of that environment.

[@xenaguy01]

1:35 _"We're not talking about a big case here."_ Whoa, now. It's not a "big case" to you. It's not a "big case" to me. It's probably not a "big case" to the defense attorney or the DA. But I'll bet it's a *_BIG CASE_* to the defendant.

[@stevelehto]

And I pointed out that I was talking about the perspective compared to the usual course of business in the courts.

[@austintillman8297]

Nide pfp

[@xenaguy01]

@@stevelehto Was that much later, cuz all I heard was, _"Criminal mischief, down there; more serious crimes, up here."_

[@xenaguy01]

@@austintillman8297 Thx, not sure who made it. I've seen it credited to activist Eric Brandt, but I don't think he really designed/made it.

[@austintillman8297]

@@xenaguy01 it becomes more relevant each passing day

[@coniccinoc]

College nurtured entitlement is a curse.

[@willdejong7763]

All lawyers go to college. Entitlement like this starts way beforehand.

[@davidturk6301]

Please post an update as to this lawyers contempt charge. Thanks!

[@donarnold8268]

Thank You & Ms. Heather! Posting on Facebook...

[@dbadaddy7386]

I had a case where the opposing attorney appeared by telephone. To say the judge was not enamored of phone hearings is all I can say without being blocked. The attorney was driving and repeatedly lost connection. Judge just continued the case. I've been a creditor in bankruptcy court and watched case after case set for 15 minutes spend 10 minutes going "is this thing on?" That's a bit different than cutting the call.

[@DanielSelk]

I saw that video and was SHOCKED at the nerve of the lady. And I facepalmed when she talked about the "conditions" that were UNDIAGNOSED! Undiagnosed is irrelevant to ANY case and legally means it doesn't exist. Like...WHAT???

[@dbadaddy7386]

I am a plaintiff more often than I like. I've learned to shut up and let the other party mouth off and win my case for me. Staying quiet until told to speak, saying just what is necessary and no more, and having my evidence in order with extra copies for both the judge and the other party earns respect from the judge. It took a long time to get a reputation for being respectful and prepared and it will only take one slip to destroy it. My reputation is about 30% of my ability to win and I damn sure don't want to lose that advantage.

[@fisherohvf-men623]

I'm learning this as a pro se litigant

[@dbadaddy7386]

@@fisherohvf-men623 Especially, if the other side is also pro se, *read the rules of court*. Know the deadlines and stick to them. I won a foreclosure because the other side didn't bother to file a response until ten days after the deadline, after I had already gotten a default. If the rule says something has to be served, serve it. If it says certified mail, use that. I tend to use priority mail when first class would work because then I have proof it was delivered. Doing this consistently, and proving it in court, has built my reputation and now the judge just assumes I've done it, which I have. The look on the other party's face when they insist they didn't get it and I can show the date and time the post office delivers it is great. One fellow was threatened with contempt because he tried to argue he didn't receive each and every thing I presented, even though I had evidence of delivery. After denying the first dozen or so documents, the judge told him if he claimed it again and I could produce evidence of delivery he'd be fined. Judges try to give pro se litigants the benefit of the doubt but they aren't free to openly ignore the rules.

[@nacoran]

I read a lot of news every day and most of it just gets filed away in some little piece of my brain, but I'm training myself to think to send them your way when they involve the courts or cars (or both). I love your takes on them.

[@johnmckown1267]

Reminds me of a Night Court (comedy series) routine: Defendant: your honor, that's stupid! Judge: miss court reporter? Court reporter: never tell a judge "that's stupid " And repeat a few time for the laughs.

[@ajkendro3413]

There are two different types of respect: Back in the 90s I was in the USAF as a six stripe r at Andrews AFB. The re was an incident where the sailors were not saluting Bill Clinton. My underlings asked if I would salute Bill Clinton. I said "No, but I would salute the Office of the President of the United States." That was the end of the discussion. When I saw Band of Brothers the basic thing was said when a junior officer was now senior to another, "You don't salute the man, you salute the rank." There is official respect that must be given, the judge in this case, but you may have nothing but contempt for the man outside his official duties.

[@jebushypocristos2037]

Can't respect the office when its filled with excrement. Case in example #BunkerBoy in the White House. As a marine combat veteran I would sooner shoot that traitor before I would ever salute him. Judges are often trash and soil the office they hold. This respect crap is ridiculous.

[@cerebraltackle]

Law Talk with Mike, Arty's Corporate Fiction and Steve Lehto - The Trifecta of KZbin Law.

[@raymonko]

He was actually on the record as saying "I don't have a mental illness. I am from Florida"

[@windy49]

1) How did this person become a lawyer? 2) This sounds way worse than the 'humor' in the movie My cousin Vinny A you said judges are human, make mistakes and sometimes have poor attitudes and behavior in court and I agree. I personally experienced that on a traffic ticket. Clearly I recognized a problem and did not speak back to the judge BUT I was able to appeal the decision. On the way to the appeal the Officer who had cited me "Said, Hey that judge was wrong with his comments" I thanked him and at the appeal I was permitted to go to traffic school and have the citation removed. So, Yeah there are bad judges, it's sort of like Who blinks first loses. Who ever makes a fool out of themself, as this lawyer did - Hopefully will be disbarred if she/he doesn't turn that attitude around ASAP. That was just plain stupid on the attorney's part WOW!

[@drivingnewengland-thedrive]

It seems that her client has been not the best client in the world but, no matter what’s going on behind the scenes, after the attorney’s client stated the they did not want the deal, would be to said to the court that the deal was off an try to get some temporary recess to 1.) get her client to take the deal or not and 2.) formulate her withdrawal motion to remove herself from representing her client. There maybe other options I don’t see. But those two seem to be the most respectable.

[@Foolish188]

The video of the hearing is available, search for Shameka O'Neil

[@MrZenerTech]

Rather than jail time for the attorney, I would be in favor of a temporary suspension of her law license.

[@bubbasmith179]

This same lawyer was a prosecutor . She was fired after lying to a judge

[@dbadaddy7386]

Has the ink dried on her law license? I suspect it just got smeared. That's multiple acts of contempt. I suspect she's a paralegal or file clerk in the making.

[@jimh4375]

She's been practicing for 8 years. She was a prosecutor for Jefferson Co. Ky until she was caught lying to a judge about a 911 recording.

[@knghtbrd]

@@jimh4375 Sounds like the woman has no business in the courtroom as counsel then.

[@iggyboo]

I'd be curious of the cost savings of all this remote justice (so to speak). It will be interesting afterwards if the judges insist on "going back to normal" just to do so instead of looking at the benefits of keeping most normal operations remotely

[@MarsMan1]

*The Judge will Just **_Cancel_** the Attorney!* *The Attorney did not know the Judge has Absolute Immunity?* Judicial immunity is a form of sovereign immunity, which protects judges and others employed by the judiciary from liability resulting from their judicial actions. Though judges have immunity from lawsuit, in constitutional democracies judicial misconduct or bad personal behaviour is not completely protected

[@1SnarfyDude]

I have zero legal training, but I'm willing to bet this is a fight the lawyer will lose. 😂

[@mjengel84]

It may be surmised a certain attorney is not long for the legal profession and wants to blame a judge for her behavior... and the results of that behavior.

[@sammijohnson7707]

I watched the video of the Zoom hearing and even though I knew what was coming, my mouth still dropped when the defense attorney hung up. Wow! I wonder if her career is over?

[@larsharris]

Link? Or can it be found easily?

[@sammijohnson7707]

@@larsharris www.wdrb.com/judge-kaelin-and-shameka-oneil/video_eca1cf1c-5557-11eb-be03-2737ea91714e.html

[@b.h.7423]

You revealed yourself in this video, you are awesome!!

[@richardross7219]

The situation sounds like she should be in front of the state licensing board. The entitled young person may learn a lesson. Good Luck, Rick

[@kentkrueger6035]

Juudge mistook me for an attorney. I was dressed to the nines. I took the situation very seriously, even though it was a minor charge. My Mother taught me better than to disrespect a Judge.

[@erikawhelan4673]

LOL the attorney ragequit the hearing

[@JasonW.]

Lawyer had a Fortnite gaming meetup starting soon.

[@andyp5899]

Just watched a bit of the proceeding on another channel. The craziest thing was the judge asked a participant to pull up their mask :) WTM

[@KJAkk]

Something similar happen to my aunt during a custody hearing for her grandchildren. The women who had custody said she don't want them anymore and walked out of the court room leaving all the attorneys and the judge with open mouths.

[@swschrader1981]

oh wow well if that not cut clear case I'm sure she got custody

[@KJAkk]

@@swschrader1981 Yes she did.

[@Joybuzzard]

The fact that the lawyer was so casual when trying to have the defendant labelled mentally ill because he refused to plead guilty, the way the lawyer seemed to expect the judge to side with them on that, they should look at all of that lawyers other cases.

[@peterr6062]

Apparently, this same lawyer resigned (before she was going to be fired) as a prosecutor for, at a minimum, a misrepresentation to the court, possibly as bad as a Brady violation, concerning the existence of a 911 recording and whether or not she had looked into whether the police had such a recording. Apparently, she had claimed to the court that she had asked the police about the recording and they had said there was no such recording. Turns out there was such a recording and according to the judge in that case, she never spoke to the police about it. The case was dismissed citing her "outrageous conduct" (the judge's words).

[@LionkingCMSL]

Whenever I have been in court, normally for traffic matters, I always keep in the back of my mind that the judge has, figurately, my life in their hands. So, I am always respectful and polite. I also speak clearly and at a normal volume so the court reporter or recording device will not misunderstand anything I say. I also dress in a suit and tie and have been mistaken for a lawyer more than once, due to my appearance.

[@Mustangofold]

Sounds like someone needs to be behind bars for 90 days before being allowed to practice again.

[@boxbarry8061]

That's crazy and inhumane. 90 days in jail for disrespecting a court? Really?

[@PS4sos21]

The lawyer never heard of the phrase, "you have to earn respect before you can get respect". Respect is never given freely. I was 5 or so yrs old when I learned this.

[@bergmanoswell879]

So what do you do if a judge earns negative respect?

[@bikelitez]

If you are the client, and you are not mentally ill... but your atty says on the record that you are mentally ill... isn’t that perjury? And slander? And unethical? So much here to discuss.

[@brianvalenti1207]

The KY Secretary of State shows her LLC as dissolved. From the notice, "I, Michael G. Adams, Secretary of State of the Commonwealth of Kentucky, do hereby certify that according to the records in the Office of the Secretary of State, S. LYNN O'NEIL ATTORNEY AT LAW LLC did not file its 2021 annual report within sixty days after it was due. Accordingly, the Secretary of State administratively dissolved the limited liability company on October 19, 2021"

[@Davvg]

I can’t imagine what was going through the defendant’s head when his lawyer just hung up

[@samrobinson3949]

These days self-awareness and accountability are more rare than Common sense! She sounds like an entitled nit-wit

[@avi8r66]

Sounds like an attorney that is done with being an attorney. ... Based on her words I had a mental image of the attorney. Looked it up, preconception confirmed.

[@maxsdad538]

Me too... not surprised at all.

[@slingerssecretlaboratory]

She should have tried holding her breath until she got released from representation...

[@groermaik]

Hundo, unfolded, leaning against the second mic from the right on top of the main cabinet. 2

[@yadayada752]

2nd 😎👍🥈

[@priscillaastling8707]

You are right. Your client is your boss. Your client is your job.

[@wildandwackywade]

Is not a professional suppose to determine, or past diagnosis, the clients mental health claim or perhaps a case manager representing them for such reasons?

[@angeliqueillstopprocrastin479]

Determined by a professional WHAT? She's not a doctor, psychologist, psychiatrist, etc. She's a LAWYER with not a second of psychological training-not a very good lawyer, either. The man has never been dx with a mental illness-just the lawyer saying he had a BUNCH of mental illnesses(she named some pretty bad ones for him having no dx)

[@ashtonrooks7899]

Looney attorney: I bet I don't appear again Judge: ...because I'm about to refer you to be disbarred for malpractice

[@Dennster2005]

About 7 minutes in I knew Judge Brennan was going to be coming up in some fashion...LOL!

[@azmika85]

As a lawyer you would think this woman would understand words have consequences.

[@knghtbrd]

I'm pretty sure that she's always managed to avoid consequences and responsibilities before. Someone above said she's been practicing for 8 years and was a prosecutor before she lied about a 911 call. That's the sort of thing that should end a career if you don't know all the right things to start screaming when you get into trouble.

[@Oogobuk]

Throw the book at her... I can't stand Arrogant entitled people... Steve, I don't agree that jail "may" be too much, Laymen like me would have gotten xx days for that behavior. She also had contempt for her client.

[@MrZenerTech]

I would think that courtroom etiquette is something taught in law school. If true, does this make the order by the judge to be for a "refresher course" on the topic?

[@Robdogdad]

.....great show.

[@angeliqueillstopprocrastin479]

I have seen the whole video. She disparaged her client HORRIBLY, called him a lot of names/made claims about his mental health(violating his rights), was NASTY to the judge. She NEEDS to serve some jail time, be censured by whoever can censure her, etc.

[@rogerhargrave9952]

There are too many Judges who are inept and poorly qualified to sit on the Bench. I have personally witnessed a Judge chastise a Defendant who requested time on a fine because he wasn't allowed to introduce evidence and he wanted to Appeal the ruling. The Judge flipped out and told him he couldn't appeal his verdict and threatened jail if he didn't comply. The DA tried to intervene to correct the Judge , but was hesitant to stick his neck out. This Judge is still on the Bench, and I doubt the system did anything to him for his intimidation to stomp any appeal. Justice in America is hardly consistent thing to celebrate.

[@admthrawnuru]

I certainly see what you are saying, but I do wonder if it's actually established in law that judges have the same authority in a virtual setting. After all, while in your own home, you generally have more legal protection from laws having to do with limiting expression. Granted, I doubt the judiciary would see it that way, so who would you plead that to? I've thought about that in terms of virtual schooling though. In that case, there have been some egregious infringements in personal property and rights by schools insisting that school rules apply to your home in virtual settings.

[@madmaxcars9653]

Awesome shirt!!

[@jimBobuu]

Given how many former attorneys have come into aviation maintenance after burning out / waking up / figuring out life, etc, I expect to see her soon with a "two weeks to get your A&P" certificate.

[@pkobalt]

When I saw the video title I thought this was a 1:1 phone call with the judge, and contempt for hanging up on that would be a little much, but "walking out of" a courtroom like that is no bueno. Also isn't judicial immunity from civil suit kinda absolute? You would think a lawyer would know that.

[@perrymeril]

Absolutely deserved and probably worse desired

[@andyp5899]

I suspect that by disputing the contempt charge (is that the right word) the lawyer may end up with a far worse result than if she sucked it up.

[@williamdawkins4731]

I saw this on Law talk with Mike, that lawyer was out of control, didn’t want to listen to the judge on anything she had to say!

[@clintcolt5786]

This is a while after you posted this, but if I’m remembering correctly this attorney was a former prosecutor that was let go for misconduct. In addition to that, if this is the same attorney I’m thinking of she was also in trouble before this. Both oh these memories may be of another person that I’m blending together with this story. In my opinion though, I think you glossed over a much bigger issue than her interaction with the judge. I watched the video of the appearance, I think the much larger issue is she destroyed her client. First, she diagnosed him as either bi-polar or schizophrenic to the court, I don’t believe she’s qualified to diagnose people, at least legally. Second, as the judge pointed out she destroyed his character in front of the court he was appearing in, talking about fights and clogged toilets at the prison. If the prosecutor tried to bring that up, that’s the prosecutor’s job... but she’s his advocate. She is supposed to represent him, not paint him in such a bad way. I think KY should absolutely remove her license to practice law. Nothing she did in there was in the best interest of her client. Her client said he thought the agreement was to have the matter shelved. I’m not a lawyer, so I don’t know what that means, but after listening to it a few times it sounds like shelved. He seemed genuinely surprised by what the agreement actually was and what it entailed.

[@Br3ttM]

Trying to claim the person she represents is not competent against their will (without providing some kind of doctor's note to show it), going against the client's choice on plea, and criticizing her client in front of the court? Hanging up is the least of the things that attorney did wrong. She either lied to the court about the client's competence, or completely failed at dealing with it if she wasn't lying. Then she betrays her client in her attempt to get off the case when the first approach failed. I'm surprised she even made it to hanging up before the judge started talking about contempt.

[@daylcday8459]

I got a question for you so what happens if the lawyer in the middle of a case quit the lawyer business and walk out and tell the judge I no longer want to do the case the judge can't get them for contempt of court and make him work can he

[@AnonMedic]

0:43 I act that way when I would go to my grandmother's for dinner, court, or church. But that's about it.

[@bromschwig]

I was on a telephone hearing once with the tax court. I told the judge my opinion was that he was biased towards the government position, because he was on the governments payroll. He warned me of a possible contempt charge for my remark. I told him It was my own opinion and that I was exercising free speech on the telephone. Nothing came of it. But he was upset. I still think he was biased because he was paid by the government. I think judges are way too sensitive about remarks. Being rude may not be nice, but it is not, or should not be unlawful. I think judges should grow a set. No one forced them to serve.

[@bergmanoswell879]

A judge is not above the law. Anything you can sue a public official for in federal civil court under 42 USC 1983 is also a criminal offense under 18 USC 241 & 242. Threatening a judge with unlawful activity is a crime, but threatening to exercise rights and obey the law cannot be a violation of the law for an officer of the court. A judge or prosecutor would be unable to discuss statutory punishments if someone is convicted if promising to apply the law is contempt. A court room is one thing, but extending that into people’s homes is problematic - it’s arguably a taking by the government to insist their home is a court room. She was not in a court room as soon as she hung up. A judge being rude or disrespectful is just as contemptuous of the court as it would be for any other officer of the court. That text would only come back to haunt her if the judge throws out the Constitution and their oath, to retaliate against her for exercise of constitutional rights. Your interpretation of the power of a judge to be contemptuous of the court without immediate consequence is in violation of the equal protection clause of the fourteenth amendment - judges are a more privileged class of citizen, and there is a VERY large less privileged class of citizen as a result.

[@keithgriffith6002]

I’ve been threaten with 90 days for answering the question that he ask how is this possible? And what would have happened if I wouldn’t of answered would I have been in contempt of court as well ?

[@1111boone]

The attorney is certainly trying to keep her appointment with 90 days in jail!

[@jimh4375]

Her name is Shameka. If you are accustomed to preferential treatment then equal treatment will seem like discrimination.

[@nacoran]

What are you implying?

[@jimh4375]

@@nacoran just pointing out some very curious facts and letting people draw their own implications.

[@imlistening1137]

I’ll bet she’ll “appear” for her contempt hearing. Question: is a client obliged to take the recommendations of their attorney, or is the attorney supposed to let the client know the pros and cons of accepting the plea deal and then honor the client’s decision?

[@owenbeggerman9128]

Up to the client.

[@andersbenke3596]

Two questions, if you don't mind, mr Lehto. 1. Is there an equivalent to approaching the bench without prior approval, in virtual courts? What gets you cybertackled online by the bailiff? 2. Is there ever room for attorneys to be disrespectful of the court (and the judge in particular) or is that entirely Hollywood?

[@hebertjerome]

Courtroom karen

[@lightweight1974]

LOL. You have won the internet for today.

[@peregrine1970]

At least she didn't shoot the guy in the knees and say, "Denny Crane."

[@robdewey317]

Been watching a number of Michigan courts on KZbin. I work from home so it's been a nice change. We really have great judges and lawyers working out there. Everyone really is just so professional. The lawyers and judges really work well together. That being said I can see why Steve says he wouldn't be a lawyer. So much of the job is junk in junk out and it's the same junk. I have to say most of the non-lawyers are great, as well. I think it helps the judges treat them with such respect. There have been some pretty upset people sitting in jail who end up telling the judges to have a good day. This lawyer in this video sounds like she fell off her trolley.

[@georgeh6856]

"I'm not her child." So you don't deny acting like a child.

[@napoliansolo7865]

I had been in traffic court a lot when I was younger, (30-40 years ago) and I'd see other young guys there wearing clothes that you could tell they weren't comfortable in. At first I thought who are you trying to fool? It's plain that you don't wear nice clothes very often, do you think you're fooling the judge? Then I realized what they were doing is trying to show respect for the court by dressing as good as they could. The attorney who hung up on the judge has an ego problem and some time in jail might give her time to rethink her place in the court. She should remember that she is in the judge's kingdom and to act like it.

[@leofredette19]

Steve your comment on " Mind set in the courtroom ". I believe is true of everyone, not just lawyers. These " Zoom court cases "are totally different wether you are in your house, or office.

[@BubbasWinterHouse]

Haven't seen the $100.00 bill lately.

[@donnavandezande3905]

It's been sighted in every video.

[@rossh2111]

Looks like it's leaning against the 2nd mic from the right (our right).

[@yadayada752]

Just scroll to the bottom. There have been 3 people posting its location already

[@BubbasWinterHouse]

@@rossh2111 that was tuff

[@CarysCorner]

The mutual respect argument sounds like it is subject to the same misinterpretations as the biblical quote "Do unto others...".

[@devkillward7965]

Unrelated to the story. Just wondering what is the model of the third mike over your right shoulder? Never seen one like that.

[@kellyerinm]

Plus that man has to wait until he has a different lawyer. He's in jail, and that means he'll spend more time in jail :(. He seemed like he was willing to go to treatment, just didn't want a charge to follow him throughout his life.

[@markgiltner7358]

It sounds like an attorney giving the judge the virtual finger 😮