Hannah Gadsby Full Speech: "The Good Men" & Misogyny | Women in Entertainment

Hannah Gadsby speaks at The Hollywood Reporter's Women In Entertainment 2018. She talks about "good men" talking about "bad men," misogyny, and more.
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[@Porpentein]

"If you have to believe someone else is bad in order to think you are good, you are drawing a very dangerous line."

[@Porpentein]

Tony Marselle That’s only the case if you assume that all things are already equal, and all we have to worry about are a few bad eggs. The majority of legislatures, CEOs, and professors are straight white men in our country. That is not nature. That’s design. It’s re-inforced by unchecked biases, policies, and assumptions. We live in a decaying prison built in the classic style of misogyny and white supremacy, so to speak. There has never been a woman president. That’s just weird.

[@memosrt]

Where are the bloody jokes? Gets kicked out.

[@Porpentein]

memosrt If she doesn’t make you laugh, she doesn’t make you laugh🤷‍♀️

[@memosrt]

@@Porpentein She hates me, how is that going to make me laugh?

[@Porpentein]

memosrt Well, the argument also applies to “good white people,” “good heterosexuals,” “Good cisgender,” etc. The problem isn’t bad eggs or bad white people (like KKK), it’s our social and political structures that favors one group over another, benefiting you and me, whether we want it to or not. If you think everything is just great the way they are and were even better when women didn’t have birth control and African Americans were segregated then, I don’t know if Gadsby would hate you, but I certainly wouldn’t like you.

[@AlanlaCelestina]

Pretty ballsy of you The Hollywood Reporter for not disabling the comments and dislikes 👍🏻

[@jkemp6791]

We know the media won’t speak out about this type of bigotry. It’s sad when we’re relying on KZbin comments to fight blatant sexism and racism.

[@MrJustonemorevoice]

KZbin is just going to artificially inflate the like button. She's on their side after all

[@alZiiHardstylez]

Yeah, I'll pay that.

[@KptnHaddock_]

Oh how very brave

[@trickytreyperfected1482]

@@MrJustonemorevoice literally not how that works. Not everything is a conspiracy.

[@mandalorethemighty]

"You are gonna regret that clap." I regret clicking on this video.

[@Froggele]

It‘s weird to me how some people are reacting here. Most of the stuff she is saying is not controversial at all yet people are so heated over this topic they can‘t listen and function properly anymore I guess. Here are the two main points she made put in a non-confrontational way (even tho I understand that confrontation is needed as well): 1. No social problems humanity has ever faced could be fixed by throwing out the proverbial „bad apples“. We need to address the bigger picture, the thought process behind the problem and the system that made it possible. In order to do that we have to question ourselves as well. 2. We cannot speak on struggles we don‘t have, discrimination we don‘t face and emotions we didn‘t experience. You don‘t get to decide if you hurt another person is literally a lesson from kindergarten. That still doesn‘t mean that EVERYTHING you are saying is invalid. None of this is controversial yet y‘all out here screaming like she said „burn all men!“🙄

[@taciturn1992]

Kind of ironic then how feminist like Hannah or her fans speak about men as if they have ever experienced life as a men or know our struggles, I guess this conversation only goes one way

[@CreaticityIsLife]

I was looking for the LOVE button for your comment. Truth.

[@Froggele]

Vera Clyne Awe thank you❤️

[@Froggele]

Alberto Rodriguez Yes some women do that and it is wrong. Haven‘t seen it from Hannah tho unless you are talking about her playful jabs here and there. I guess she would agree that men have a different unique set of struggles but she realizes that she can‘t speak on that. So instead of screaming „what about me tho?“ whenever a woman voices criticism towards men educate and spread awareness on the topics that are important to you. Your struggles are not invalidated because we are struggling too and can finally talk about it and get heard.

[@taciturn1992]

@@Froggele when did I ever scream "me too", I don't victimize myself the way you women do, just pointing out the irony in your second point

[@MrZeddy100]

On behalf of all of Australia.....I'm sorry.

[@obliviouz]

It's okay. The cancer that is SJW-ism really started out in the US.

[@Andrei-hq9jd]

No worries bro, It's okay, I'm visiting you guys in a couple of months, love Australia.

[@jhawkshaw]

I'm also Australian and I'm EXTREMELY ashamed about where we're heading...

[@canuck21]

+J Hawkshaw It's not just Australia. The whole West is falling into the abyss.

[@erinroche908]

@@valhalla1240 Thank God she's moved to the US then. Thanks for sending her to us.

[@WeUsedToWonder]

It's telling how uncomfortable the audience is.

[@loopdiditydoop1926]

WeUsedToWonder Good. Misogyny should be uncomfortable. Rape should be uncomfortable. I would be concerned if the audience WASN’T uncomfortable.

[@purplemonkey649]

@@loopdiditydoop1926 Trauma? At a 'ahem' comedy gig?... And you're pleased about this? Most be some laugh in you're house at Christmas..

[@loopdiditydoop1926]

purplemonkey Comedy gig? Does that look like a fucking comedy gig to you? It’s a power to women in entertainment event. It’s not a comedy show. No one was expecting her to do comedy, besides the angry men in the comments. That’s like getting mad at Elton John because he didn’t sing at an AIDS foundation event.

[@oniontoe]

@@loopdiditydoop1926 duhhhhhhh is she not a comedian you fucking spastic

[@deeznutz8320]

@@loopdiditydoop1926 So it has nothing to do with comedy?

[@gerardmclaughlin6278]

"Garden variety consent dyslexics" - brilliant

[@rawdaaljawhary4174]

I agree. BRILLIANT. ❤️☀️❤️ I have so much love for Hannah Gadsby. She soothes my soul.

[@psychopompous3207]

Y'all don't think this is funny. Stop lying.

[@selendile030]

@@psychopompous3207 LMAOOOO

[@trapd00rspider]

What I learnt from the comments here: if people don’t want to understand your argument, they will make sure they don’t understand it, and will enthusiastically fight strawmen instead.

[@FrogLehane]

Couldn't have said it better. At least this is true for those who actually watched the entire video, which doesn't seem to be the majority.

[@inpugnaveritaas]

Comparable really to the logical fallacies Hannah herself sets up.

[@Kotifilosofi]

@Tony Marselle Did you watch the entire video? To the very last second?

[@easytoslip]

In the past few years any women speaking about women's issues or misogyny on youtube were automatically rewarded with at least half or a majority of dislikes. Progress! More likes than dislikes! Unbelievable! So crazy that misogyny's been socially acceptable for 8,000+years, yet it's been a small handful of 50-60 years where people are fighting for white males to be less dominant in EVERYTHING and the fearful are absolutely freaking out. Get a clue: there is no lack of resources in the world, white dudes are just greedy and hoarding shit they don't need, and others would like to survive without an incredibly difficult daily struggle.

[@standard888]

​@Tony Marselle How is irritation at all a blanket statement? "I find people named Tony incredibly irritating" is in no way anything -ist since irritation is in the mind of the beholder. It's just a true statement of historical experience from my perspective.

[@ellebold]

Interesting how many negative comments are made ...... she is a strong intelligent woman ...... makes you uncomfortable doesn’t it ?

[@dungeonmama660]

Don't forget also queer and autistic! Extra scary.

[@taciturn1992]

Yup, that's definitely it, you got us

[@horstappert6465]

The truth is that I do not understand what she is saying. It is probably my fault and I hope to be enlightened by your insights. As for me, I was taught that "intelligence" is in a very broad sense the ability to draw distinctions and solve problems. Here, Hanna Gatsby seems to advocate that no one should draw lines between "good and bad" in a general sense of the word. She seems to mourn a paradise lost, or maybe she speaks out for "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone". But that does not fits to the whole setting and her apparent attitude. She seems not to talk about forgiveness, but about guiltiness. Everyone is guilty, but if there is no god, it just means: nothing.

[@medscapes]

@@horstappert6465 what she basically means is Men don't get to decide what's misogynistic to women Women decide whats misogynistic to them Similarly White people dont get to decide whats racist n what isn't People of colour decide that Straight people dont get to decide whats homophobic Lgbtq+ people decide that.

[@ottotjihumino7716]

@@horstappert6465 exactly how I saw it....and what is it with the constant "men-jokes". 😑😐😶🤐😮

[@1ctnichols]

Never seen a crowd more upset/bummed about getting free dinner

[@kiffen66]

Free Breakfast.

[@Vashy434]

How is it the concept she is expressing goes so far over everyones heads? If you want to be a good person, listen to others, let them set their boundries and adhere to them. Simple. If someone tells you that you crossed the line, then stop and rethink your actions. Don't be dense, don't put words in Hannahs mouth. Don't misconstrue what she is saying. Just listen to people, and don't be so self absorbed as to think you can do no wrong.

[@Vashy434]

Also, I think you are a fool if you don't think she applied these same concepts to herself as well.

[@BoratM.Sagdiev]

😮 wow... next can you tell me the the meaning of life??

[@jasonjohnston4766]

Yea let me listen to some girl dressed like a boy talk about misogyny what do you even call her because this isn’t comedy.

[@Mike1Lawless]

Wasn't it supposed to be a comedy?

[@nadinefeiler9204]

the concept does not go over everyone's head, the concept is stupid. this kind of borders are negotiated and reasoned over and not dictated by one side. What if a i as a woman decide my "birders" are that no man has the right to be in a range of 100m around me ? This is just a power fantasy .

[@gstetz]

"...If you have to believe someone else is bad in order to believe you are good, you are drawing a very dangerous line." - She said, after doing just that.

[@georgegeorgopoulos6014]

That's exactly what I was thinking.

[@EMBERFIY]

I'm not sure what is more comical, the fact that she is so blind to her own hypocrisy or the fact that countless sad "feminist's" agree without truly understanding what she's saying, merely seeking another way to demonise men

[@olivialuvzpurplecows]

I don't think she's saying "white men are evil" I think she's saying "we all want to believe we're good so bad that we often neglect to look t our own actions and when we've be bad too." Because of the intersectionality added on at the end, to me this talk promised self-reflection much more then demonizing anyone.

[@gstetz]

@@olivialuvzpurplecows I would agree with you that perhaps that was the intended message, however, I can't because from 6:40 to 7:15 she makes it very clear that the anger is centrally directed.

[@mrinalini9112]

@ZEPZO dude how about you learn how to write basic sentences?

[@j.cforj.c566]

“All men believe they are good” You want to know what else is true....... “All Women believe they are right”

[@seemablake3739]

Now that was funny!

[@Dilmahkana]

Everyone thinks they're right and everyone thinks they're good. But a lot of people are also quite inconsiderate. Self-responsibility should be emphasised for everybody, not blaming others, not assuming your 'accuser' is insincere, not blanketing statements criticizing one group.

[@MCArt25]

CHECKMATE FEMINISTS!

[@antonellamR2D2]

We Are RIGHT in this. And your comment shows how stupid men (not all men) can behave.

[@johnie102]

This is not an argument. In this case she happens to be right

[@1969Kismet]

She did it again! Making a point, drawing a conclusion in three points. Gosh, she's good!

[@1969Kismet]

@@zacbouch42 What's your point?

[@rawdaaljawhary4174]

@@zacbouch42 Yes, you do, in some cases, need to listen. You need to be told by marginalized people, like women how it's ok to treat them and preserve their dignity and how it's not ok to treat them. You have access to participate fully and equally in our society, where some people don't get a seat at the table. So, we all need to listen to the experience of marginalized people who have been deeply hurt and dehumanized. And learn how to treat them with unconditional respect, in the ways they ask of us. Not when and where it's convenient. Do you see? When you do this, you are an ally and friend to disempowered people.

[@justincarr8178]

@@rawdaaljawhary4174 How are women marginalized ????

[@instagramstar5928]

Oh there she goes saying dumb stuff again hating men

[@1969Kismet]

@@instagramstar5928 Amazing! It only took you one sentence to prove her point. Aren't you amazing?

[@scottlittle8050]

As an Australian I am very sorry

[@chrisnichols1862]

She is just horrible, if she hates men so much why does she try to look like a man. She isn't funny at all.

[@basedpatriarch]

Not Canadian, but still in the Commonwealth of Sorries.

[@gilgameshofuruk4060]

It's ok. At times like this I cling on to the memory of Paul Hogan getting an old woman's cat out of a tree with a rifle, and Kim, of Kath and Kim, saying "I just want to be effluent, Mum!"

[@geraldbouvy1222]

This isn't your fault. Aussie comedy went full woke, and this is the result.

[@scottlittle8050]

To all those who have said not your fault. I stood here and did nothing. I should have called the queen (rip) and demanded satisfaction... the prime minister was busy that week.

[@ryankramer5115]

She forgot orange man bad.

[@jkemp6791]

Lol. Everything she says is the epitome of an NPC. The scary thing is there lots of other mindless NPCs out there who agree with her. It’s disgusting.

[@nickmagrick7702]

not even the same country

[@quezcatol]

@@PineapplePoko yes illegal immigration is legal, I agree.

[@quezcatol]

@@PineapplePoko every black person in jail is innocent. cops are just racist.

[@quezcatol]

@@PineapplePoko lol

[@bigtrashpanda968]

Alot of people seem to be getting angry about this. The "line" is hardly new, it has being said before everyone is the hero in their version of the story.

[@96pokadot]

@Frankie Basile can I ask why she makes you so mad? Like what specifically? I genuinely want to know because I really enjoy her work and I don't understand how someone couldn't.

[@muhammadwaqas2679]

Yeah but so is she so is everyone that’s the very essence of the existence of morality a line in the sand nothing else but she does make a good point as to how people shift the line for different interactions but then she claims the oppressed draw the line which of the oppressed the masses the individuals who

[@harleyjameson1939]

@@96pokadot Well for me it doesn't make me mad it's just that her way of presenting it is off-putting an ineffective, exclusionary and blaming, isolating. She is lumping whole populations and demographics into the "bad" category, which demonstrates faulty paranoid reasoning at best and is dangerously dehumanizing. Yes, evil exists in the hearts of countless men and women, yes some of them act on it like it's a contest but it is each individuals choice, not the fault of one group of folks you can point a finger at. You must take real victimization and handle it on a case by case basis lest you fall into the trap of blaming some nebulous "they" for all the suffering in the world. You're talking about human beings, it is wrong in every way to take it there. End of story.

[@nickklein4774]

A lot not alot. English

[@jv-lk7bc]

@@harleyjameson1939 actually, if you listen all the way through you can hear thats kind of the opposite of what she was doing. She was pointing out that its more important and far more effective to label actions than people - and more important and far more effective to listen to those affected by the action than to anyone else.

[@Sonorgie]

Nail on the head. Absolutely brilliant. 💜

[@juliestewart9117]

To all the people who are saying, "She's not funny/She wasn't funny." I don't think she was trying to be. In her Netflix special, she talked about stepping away from stand-up comedy because it didn't allow her to tell the whole truth, the whole story, and she was tired of having to hide her very real pain in order to get to a punchline. I think that's exactly what she's doing now... telling the truth, as she sees it (and many others, too). Because of her comedic roots, there's bound to be some humor, but making people laugh is no longer her main goal... Her goal is to make people think.

[@erinroche908]

Or men don't find her funny because they aren't smart enough to get her humor.

[@juliestewart9117]

@@WalkingRoscoe Oh please, you know full fucking well she's a woman, and so does every other fragile jabroni lurking around on the Internet waiting to make dumbass comments because they've got nothing better to do. Quit being an asshat.

[@JJ-ym8bu]

That's fine but she shouldn't call herself a comedian. She is about as funny as 3rd wave feminism.

[@qk-tb2df]

"she talked about stepping away from stand-up comedy" prob because she sucks at it?

[@ek5273]

She is not telling the truth, she is spewing hateful woke bullshit.

[@berrakguven7719]

why are people assuming that this was supposed to be funny? nowhere in the video title nor description does it say "hannah gadsby performs a stand-up routine". just because someone is a comedian it doesn't mean their every public appearance will be a comedic speech. gadsby's last comedy special IS about her LEAVING comedy.

[@hyperwave7202]

bad men bad

[@Kabullo76]

gadsby's last comedy special IS about her LEAVING comedy. Thanks God

[@quietestkitten]

Thank you! This is obviously a serious topic. She's not trying to make people laugh

[@deeznutz8320]

@@quietestkitten She never got to do that in the first place

[@jamegumm]

How can you leave something that you never had?

[@thatsterroristsbro7855]

He is lawmaker, judge, and party to the lawsuit all at once. I like that she made sure to let everyone know that we are all complicit and complacent in these systems of oppression and power structures that dictate them.

[@Tamaresque]

Who are you speaking of?

[@lockandloadlikehell]

Lol speak for yourself, neurotic

[@lockandloadlikehell]

Women are definitely complacent since they always vote for the most liberty- restricting candidate.

[@victoriapruitt1209]

We? No numnuts it's just you

[@Sunsuccess333]

lmao

[@patrickq1175]

So just so u think twice before using rotten tomatoes as a reliable source, they gave this woman 100% on rotten tomatoes and 0% to Dave chapelle just let that sink in

[@deancj1]

Funny thing is the actual viewers and not the critics Gave him 99%

[@roroguapo3]

Yeah and Hannah’s audience score was about 40%

[@michaelmcclure3383]

She isn't funny, but she's woke.. that's good enough for sjws.

[@MinamuTV]

RottenTomatoes shows the percentage of critics who liked a particular work. It is not the people running the site who judge the quality of the work, in case this was what you thought.

[@michaelmcclure3383]

@@MinamuTV i guess a lot of gender studies graduates go into film criticism haha

[@niameyers6686]

"You're going to regret that clap" I can't believe no one laughed at that

[@memosrt]

Beacuse that's not funny.

[@russiagoeshard]

But people did laugh?

[@Whyohwhy65]

I didn’t laugh and wouldn’t laugh either if I’m in that room she had enough life experiences to turn her funny stuffs into something awful dark stuffs real quick.

[@jv-lk7bc]

I laughed for minute

[@BigDaddyJinx]

Why can't you believe that? In order to elicit a laugh, one has to first A) be funny, or B) have said or done something observably funny. Her whole schtick here met no such criteria.

[@moccacooky]

She is my favourite person on screen. She seems very easy to understand to me. I liked her instantly. My baby brother has autism and he has always been the norm for me when i grew up. So this feels right. :) I am so happy that she gets a platform to speak her mind.

[@thtguyish]

When's the last time you got laid?

[@slackbabo3858]

She insulted your baby brother though...

[@carriebee5418]

Thank you

[@26Staples]

so many people out here wilfully misunderstanding her point. All she's trying to say is that the line between misogyny and not misogyny, racism and not racism etc should be drawn by the people on the recieving end. Anything can be excused if the people who decide what is excusable are the people doing harm.

[@mistermonsieur5162]

Flowing Explorer How is she being racist, please elaborate. Thanks

[@ffeffashgrove]

@@mistermonsieur5162 omg, please tell me you're a troll... at least that way I won't pity you for your spectacular stupidity!

[@suriyarn4013]

@Person YES. THANKYOU

[@pex320]

Sell how is any of that a joke, wasn’t she a comedian?

[@26Staples]

@@pex320 i know this may be hard for you to understand, but comedians are actually capable of being serious sometimes

[@TheMango73]

What a disgrace it is that so many people are deliberately misunderstanding or ignoring the clear message. What she is saying is that people act as though they stand against misogyny because they are happy to call it out when it is other people. The issue is that when a friend's behaviour, or even their own behaviour is called out, they say that it's out of character, or that it's in the past or even just say that they didn't do anything wrong. It's this that Hannah is taking issue with. Maybe if you want to make a sexist joke, you'll draw the line just past there. Maybe if you want to grope someone when drunk you'll say that's okay too. The point here is that when you do that, you prove every time that you are not such a 'good guy' after all, you are a part of the problem. If you're not willing to listen to women when they say 'don't make that joke' or 'don't touch women without consent ever' then you are a part of the problem. For as long as you keep thinking that you are the gatekeeper of what is misogyny and what is not and deny women's voices, you are not the good guy. Women are telling you the line is in the wrong place. You need to stop trying to fight for it to stay where it is.

[@tracylf5409]

I don't believe that the majority in that room had any idea what Hannah was saying.

[@johnbertram1537]

Do you think she holds herself to the same standard of self awareness?? 🤔

[@JP-lu9ed]

A great question for all of us.

[@Walperion_Music]

Wow when after a 8 minute video I need to think for about 8 days. God I love Hannah. Every sentence is so thoughtful and thought provoking.

[@josesanchez-rr6rn]

Took you 8 days cuz you're stupid lmfao

[@jennyhesperus]

If we decide we are 100% on the good side of the line, we risk no longer considering our own attitudes and behaviour. Life is not simple enough that there is a line you can be on one side and be good or on the other and be a part of the problem. Saying you are a good ally to any group is presumptuous, you should say you want to be and are trying to be a good ally. Then actually try to be a good ally. Start by recognising that your own perspective (whoever you are) lacks the perspective of the people you wish to support. and be open to being informed by these other perspectives.

[@megnetic21]

Everything has been reduced to a Disney movie good vs evil paradigm for these people and if you have had complex experiences you just don't see it that way because that is not real life.

[@Phaedra389]

That's a good description. I find her immensely irritating. She is extremely sanctimonious. The actual content of that speech was minimal as she was concentrating so much on the awesome impression she was trying to make. I am a woman. I don't want her speaking for me.

[@apollo5458]

Megan Singer Kudos to you , this is by far the most succinct, insightfull and accurate comment by far . You have brilliant logic that should see you do well in life . I for one hope you do .

[@wadewilson8924]

I agree but the avengers trailer dropped so I’ll be watching that instead of reading most of these comments

[@JonathanLevinTKY]

Insightful

[@mngaweyapitman9991]

👍

[@katkatkatkat463]

This is so powerful. Hannah is an absolute genius saying what needs to be said. People who complain that her point was not funny are missing the point; not everything is funny. Her dry humour serves as an inroad to a profound problem. The strategy is to disarm the audience before taking a sharp turn to a serious matter. This technique has a long history with comedians, like Bill Hicks for example. People didn’t complain about his capacity for honesty and despair; that’s what they loved about him most. Hannah’s on that level here and you can shoot the messenger, but the message remains.

[@cleverchaleigh]

Bill Hicks was not only funny, but entertaining and he did it with dark comedy on topics that were kinda ahead of its time. She absolutely doesn't have that. Every Celebrity is lecturing about women rights or black rights or gay rights. The first thing that I thought about before she opened her mouth was, she kind of has a school teacher presence. She seemed very uncomfortable that everyone wasn't in their seat and everyone didn't give undivided attention. Now to be fair, this seemed like a very unusual gig. Giving a speech about misogyny to a bunch of elite entertainers. It has been done and Woke Hollywood eats it up.

[@katkatkatkat463]

cleverchaleigh I disagree; she is not just discussing misogyny like everyone else does. She is pointing out the hypocrisy in that discussion when the line between what’s evil and what’s acceptable keeps getting redrawn according to the cultural and personal standards of the powerful rather than the victimised. It’s a logic in which the so-called “monsters” are scapegoated so that the “good men” don’t need to feel responsible for their forays into a supposed “gray area”, in which they are merely insensitive but don’t rise to the level of the “real” rapists. The deeper premise is that this reasoning allows almost everyone to believe that they are inherently good, and that their actions are justifiable and/or excusable. It’s an extremely nuanced moral point that is not understood in most public discourse around #metoo I’m sorry that you don’t find her as funny as Bill, but humour is subjective. I was more talking about her strategy of introducing a serious point. It was an awkward venue, but awkwardness is part of her comedic persona; it’s understandable that she would wait for silence before beginning her speech.

[@gmmgmmg]

comparing Bill Hicks to Hannah Gadsby is like comparing Shakespeare to a monkey hitting a keyboard.

[@melaniemcausland2649]

This is such a toxic comment section. I took a long hard look at myself after listening to this. I was so incredibly glad that she was talking about these 'good' men, I identified with it so much, and when she replaced 'men' with 'white', 'straight' and 'cis' I realised that I do the same thing as these 'good' men. OTHER white people OTHER straight people OTHER cis people do these things, but not me - I'm good. And while yes, there is more nuance to the story than Hannah states - she only had 8 minutes on stage and at least a minute of that was getting people to sit the fuck down, she didn't have time to address the nuance - it's important to see yourself through a different lens and realise that it's not enough to be good and draw a line in the sand. I don't get to decide what is good and bad in those circumstances.

[@HASHlRAMA]

Who does get to decide then? I am genuinely trying yo understand what's the point behind this.

[@geministargazer9830]

HASHlRAMA you don’t get to decide what’s okay for you to do and say to other people or about other people. They make their own boundaries. You will overstep someone’s boundaries at some point. They should be able to comfortably and confidently assert those boundaries to you. They shouldn’t feel like they have to stay silent or face backlash

[@annvanbuynder2186]

I'm so happy to see a comment from someone who actually understood her point!

[@Dooger414]

@@geministargazer9830 So do white people get to set boundaries for others to talk around too? Or is this a one-way road?

[@thecaptain5026]

cis is not a thing... it's called male and female. It doesn't need something extra.

[@fckingkim]

If *women* should be in control of what defines a *good man* , does that mean that *men* should control what defines a *good woman* or does this "equality" thing work just one way?

[@Heathcoatman]

Misogyny is equally as bad misandry. It gets really really old hearing women badmouth ALL men, just as Hannah is doing here. The audacity of her trying to shame the men who are allied with her cause is ridiculous. All respect for her completely lost. I guess if being a good man is so terrible, I may as well just be a bad man.

[@SomeHowSomeOne]

She’s just saying that when you talk about women like pieces of meat and then you turn around and are surprised by the men that treat women like pieces of meat, you’re a hypocrite.

[@katbarks2994]

Pretty sure that’s been happening since early man noticed his penis and wrote the story of creation.

[@kezkezooie8595]

She didn't say that women should be in control of what defines a good man. She was talking about how people like to think of themselves as "a good person" and will rationalise many an action or judgement call. It's a throwback to the idea that, if a person does something "bad" but without realising it, it takes the curse off that action because it was done in innocence, and people will often not look at an action, decision or the like that they may be doing because then that would mean that they'd lost their innocence regarding that action and would have to do a bit of self reassessment.

[@kezkezooie8595]

@@tidakada7357 Please, go back and listen to what she said again. She did initially talk about men but then went on to include all people in this phenomenon. Basically, what she was saying regarding who "draws the line" is that it's not the place of the instigating group of whatever harmful behaviour to decide what is acceptable. Whether it be racism, sexism, homophobia etc, it's the people being affected by that prejudice that have the right to say what is negatively affecting them as they're the ones copping it. Rather than accepting that there is a problem and acknowledging that those affected are the best people to make the call of what is negatively affecting them, the instigators often make that decision instead, or think that they can.

[@saads1984]

What world do these people live in?

[@TheAutisticEducator]

A much more interesting one than you can imagine NT.

[@cisuminocisumino3250]

The Matrix

[@wirefortyseven8707]

It's a room full of Narcissists: Every one of them lives in the center of their own world.

[@charleswarren1901]

This isn't comedy, it's tragedy.

[@brendabaum6442]

What an excellent speech! I’m hearing this June 12, 2020.

[@RainyDayWolf]

sadly very relevant still

[@BeGlamourlicious]

I’m here 16 June 2020 still relevant

[@shesails3313]

June 17th

[@Walperion_Music]

@@shesails3313 June 18th. Still. Gosh how long is it going to last.

[@kyalovic5673]

yaal better get off that high horse before you decide tribalism is the way to enact real change.

[@gemsling]

I think "garden variety consent dyslexics" is my new favourite line… If all I wanted was a lighthearted, inconsequential laugh, perhaps I'd go see a different comedian. But Gadsby's performance of Nanette was resonant and thought-provoking, and I'm glad I watched it. Glad, too, that she continued to offer incisive insight in this speech. I particularly appreciate the bit about where different people draw the line and how it's part of the human condition to picture ourselves on the "good" side of that ever-shifting line. I realise that such a perspective can be uncomfortable, particularly for those who, like me, can recall past behaviours that have crossed that line. But rather than get defensive, I think it's okay to sit with that discomfort, reflect, and think about how to make for a better future.

[@alexisclements3167]

100% THIS ^

[@tatankaiyotanka1]

"garden variety consent dyslexics" This is a terrible analogy, it should be garden variety consent deniers or something else. Why id it always when some one f72ks up they say "Oh it must be my dyslexia" or we get blamed because of their own stupidity. But the rest of if is quite good. Where to draw the line is an interesting thought and that decision should be made collectively, and yes can be nased on the environment of the conversation/behaviour.

[@elliest55]

@@tatankaiyotanka1 Metaphor not analogy ;) I think she means "dyslexic" as in "frequently misreading", so as shorthand for the symptom of misreading not actually referring to the learning difficulty. So like you'd say "sarcasm-blind" for someone who fails to "see" sarcasm. You're right though that using a diagnosable learning difficulty as an insult ("oh I'm so stupid, it's my bloody dyslexia") is actually casual ableism.

[@lisakaplan9007]

gemsling Well said!

[@yeahohright3097]

Thought provoking? I'm sorry did you say thought provoking? How is regurgitating the same "men are evil" popular feminist talking points thought provoking? When I'm on twitter those "thought provoking" cliches are flying at me a mile per minute. Hannah Gadsby might understand what it's like to be Hannah Gadsby, but she doesn't understand the human condition. And that's because she has limited her understanding of the human condition to feminist texts and her own naval gazing. Diversity is good when it includes diversity of education too, not just diversity of skin tones.

[@jellybean_91]

So many people are made so very uncomfortable by the truth Hannah Gadsby speaks, both in this speech and in "Nanette". But this discomfort, in itself, is part of why her words are so vitally important. Her words make us hold up a mirror to ourselves and reflect on our own moments of not being as truly ""good" as we could have been or should have been. To Hannah, please keep up the amazing work. You make me proud to be an Australian and a woman.

[@SubscribersWithoutAnySubscribe]

Lol, keep telling yourself that. How convenient that in your mind people only have two options, "agree" or "feel uncomfortable". There's no such thing as dissent or disagreement in the religion of identity politics.

[@Ada-tv7zl]

Like her too. She is thought provoking and these many guys triggered just shows that she is on a right path.

[@chocochip1]

What privileges to black men have in a world of progressive white upper class lesbians?

[@stevenspencer592]

I'm made "uncomfortable" by people openly judging people by race and gender while treating individual men and women like inconsequential members of monolithic racial/ gender groups. I'm "uncomfortable" about her claiming to speak for all women and most of all I'm " uncomfortable " by her claims of being a comedian.

[@apollo5458]

jellybean91 A lesbian feminist isn’t capable of making a real man uncomfortable , we draw our own lines

[@talkingmoney4499]

Black guy in crowd was not laughing or clapping the whole time Lmao that’s the only thing tht made me laugh

[@dougtaylor2803]

He was trying to figure out what he was seeing.

[@droxina]

There were several black men in the audience. Wonder which one the commenter was referring to? Or do they all look alike to you?

[@dougtaylor2803]

@@droxina He was referring to the black guy who was not laughing, thus distinguishing him from the other black guys. Nice try though.

[@harleyjameson1939]

@@droxina He said the one who wasn't laughing what the hell kind of question is that? "Do they all look alike to you?" Baha gfy

[@droxina]

Harley Jameson “gfy “ It’s Covid lockdown - way ahead of you there buddy.

[@GiantSandles]

She just reminds me of that Stewart Lee line, “Was it funny? No, but I agreed the fuck out of it”

[@hammun6]

"But if you have to believe someone else is bad in order to believe you are good, you are drawing a very dangerous line." Words to live by.

[@nicktrueman224]

True, but we can outrun her and not be eaten.

[@Walperion_Music]

My God I'm inlove with Hannah since like 2009! When she was only a local Aussie star in Melbourne Comedy Fest and Good News Week! And every year I fell inlove more and more.

[@hasselbecksucks]

You have low standards.

[@DarayaVahu]

Is there a video with Hannah speaking without comments for people that completely misunderstood her, writing stuff that somehow they don't realize only proves her points 🤯

[@peps7721]

But that is obviously not the case. You don't think we are able to see straight through her? She is the privelaged one. She is allowed and encouraged to freely spew her hatred from the stage at any given opportunity - and not only does she think she has the right not to be critisesed for this, she also feels she has the right to label it 'comedy' (despite being very very unfunny). She does not have the deep insight to understand that this is privelage - real privelage.

[@ada.3880]

@@peps7721 where's the hatred? I don't see any hatred. Are you sensitive by any chance?

[@peps7721]

@@ada.3880 That's privilege for you, seeing only what you want to see

[@ada.3880]

@@peps7721 ok imma say this slowly, cuz clearly you don't get it. Hannah's whole point in this speech. It's a speech, not a comedy bit. Is that outsiders of a minority aren't the ones who get to decide what's out of line. For example! It is not up to men to decide how to treat a woman. A woman should be the one telling what is and what isn't acceptable, because that makes the most logical sense. She realises that she's privileged because she's a white woman, and tells that white women, such as herself, shall not decide what is and isn't out of line for black people. Everyone has to be courteous to each other, because being disrespected hurts everyone. Even those people who claim that liberals are snowflakes for getting offended are those who call hannah a man because they're pissed at her for apparently hating men. You dislike being mistreated, right? That's what she's talking about here. Any questions?

[@peps7721]

@@ada.3880 You look at someones race and assume there that someone is therefore immediately naturally more privelaged. I fundamentally disagree with that outlook so I wonder if this is worth us even having this conversation. But also just this idea that certain individuals have the right to demand to be treated or spoken to only in ways that they find acceptable is childish beyond words. The whole idea of equality is to be able to deal with the crap that is likely to come your way - not for others to self censore in order to not hurt your feelings. If their actions are criminal, anti social, threatening or in any other way obviously beyond the pale, than that's obviously different and there are actual processes to deal with this. But to expect the rest of the world to read your emotions and then kick off when it doesn't work, is child-like beyond words.

[@bryandaly8453]

'If you have to believe someone else is bad in order to believe you are good, you are drawing a very dangerous line' Oh the irony

[@karlconnolly3994]

What she said...the words you typed and put in quotation marks..means nobody throws the first stone...judge and you will be judged ten fold..there is no irony,but truth. Are you blind?can’t you see?..truth?..its like the nose on your face..you just have to look. Maybe I am the blind one?maybe you can explain the “irony” ..am certain you can’t.

[@karlconnolly3994]

Dangle Baggins,pretentious to you because you’re an ignorant prig.

[@karlconnolly3994]

Tony Marselle I don’t feel “demonised”...you sound paranoid..you afraid she’s making men look bad?..you a snowflake dude?

[@KitsyHD]

@Tony Marselle That isn't what she said at all.... she said that the discriminators do not get to decide whether their actions are discriminatory. You don't get to say you're a good man to women, even if you believe it, only a woman can say that you're a good man to her. Think of it another way: you're joking with a friend and you accidentally, unintentionally say something hurtful. Maybe you didn't mean to, but if you're friend is hurt, do you get to decide if what you said was ok, or do they? Or let's try it in another wise woman's words: no one gets to make you feel inferior without your consent...

[@Hi-Five-Ghost]

If "watching paint dry" was a person

[@nicolerubin7368]

"Consent dyslexic" >>I am dying :D

[@KptnHaddock_]

She is content dyslexic

[@harleyjameson1939]

Right no one consented to the ear assault taking place in the vid before the poor folks at this event have even had their morning coffee, yet here she is giving these people a full frontal of her emotional dysregulation.

[@zendynamite9058]

Killer phrase. ❤️

[@Mrpapayaheadrulesall]

@@harleyjameson1939 Pretty sure they all consented to attend a Women in Entertainment event and knew exactly what they were getting into. Pretty sure you clicked on the video having seen the title and thumbnail, so you consented to hear it too.

[@harleyjameson1939]

@@Mrpapayaheadrulesall Correct. And none of that makes it any less awkward or embarassing.

[@ellapepper5997]

I love her eyes 💛💛💛

[@a_case_study]

I clapped for you alone in my living room periodically throughout your talk, and when it ended I said out loud “holy crap that was amazing” thank you for your insight Hannah

[@a_case_study]

I’d been trying to articulate this idea yesterday in a discussion...

[@winstonmarlowe5254]

cringe

[@gilliangraven9105]

This is a reminder that you can report misogynistic comments (and other hateful comments) to KZbin. Lots to report here in this comment section.

[@garywood97]

KZbin doesn't give a shit about comments.

[@joeberg3317]

The instinct to see criticism and become a hall monitor is so bizarre to me. “The posts are disagreeing! Take them away!”

[@gilliangraven9105]

@@joeberg3317 have you read the comments in here? There's a difference between criticism and misogyny, and a lot of commenters here don't seem to understand (or care about) the difference. If you wanna understand criticism, watch Gadsby's speech.

[@gilliangraven9105]

@@garywood97 I'd rather report in vain than do nothing at all.

[@joeberg3317]

Gillian Graven It’s the YT comment section, people are gonna be crude and rude and stupid. That’s how it should be! I just don’t get the instinct to run to mods to try and take things down. If you see a post that’s dumb, tell them they’re dumb. If you don’t care enough to do that, figure there’s another idiot in the world and move on. People are such cops about this stuff nowadays. Don’t think any of the “men should shut up and listen” posts should be removed, I’ll just disagree. :)

[@friederikeschmid447]

Sometimes I feel that all the hating would be highly unnecessary if we just bothered to ask other people if they're comfortable with what we're doing to them.

[@BOBofGH]

I don't think she has many male friends to ask questions of.

[@p0llenp0ny]

You mean like what 99% of people already do?

[@yvonneshanson1525]

sth white males missed from their priviledged upbringing, as we witness on a large scale EVERYDAY..!

[@chunkatronic]

@@p0llenp0ny obviously not or there wouldn't even be a discussion

[@sunilmenon6344]

@@yvonneshanson1525 same can be said about white women

[@que_93]

She is absolutely brilliant! The subtleties of her speech had so much to say which the dislikers have missed altogether.

[@jasontodd7499]

She's not funny.

[@feckoffthePRvillain]

It's so brave

[@chunkatronic]

@@jasontodd7499 It. Was. A. Speech. Not. A. Stand-up. Routine.

[@jasontodd7499]

@@chunkatronic i've seen bill burr and chris rock make speeches funny. Don't you use that excuse. She cares more about being inspiring than being funny. She would rather make a special about trauma than make a special about making trauma funny. Being a comedian means being able to find the humor in things. She's a poor comedian.

[@jordangate7742]

Ahahahahahahahahahahaha, the best part was when she said enjoy your toast!

[@EdaliaDayCreative]

For anyone confused: She's basically saying that the people in an oppressed group should be the ones we listen to, regarding what is and isn't acceptable behaviour, rather than the oppressors or the people who aren't being affected by it.

[@shawnladue8986]

Edward Day Nobody cares about your obsession with victimhood. Fuck off.

[@apollo5458]

Edward Day so let me see if I’ve got this right .its the decision of the group or individual to determine that they are being oppressed and who the oppressors are , it’s the “oppressed “who decide their level of oppression and how that “oppression “ is to be dealt with and what the oppressors are required to do to address the “ oppression “ ??? Could you please confirm if I’ve got that right . And could you also give me an indication at what point these alleged oppressors get to have any input , or is it your position that the alleged oppressors should get no say at all and that they should accept the allegations and do whatever is deemed necessary no questions asked .

[@EdaliaDayCreative]

@@apollo5458 Yes to the first part. Yes to the 2nd (surely only the oppressed will accurately know their level of oppression. How that oppression is to be dealt with: I think that's open for anyone to contribute to, but it makes sense to make the oppressed group your first port of call about it as they're the ones most affected. And the point when the "alleged oppressors get to have input" is: after the oppressed group have made clear their position and that position has been taken into account.

[@EdaliaDayCreative]

@@shawnladue8986 No one cares about your obsession with finding offence in youtube comments. You can fuck yourself. You probably know how.

[@apollo5458]

Edward Day So what happens if the oppressors do listen to the oppressed and they say , “I disagree with what your saying your just playing the victim , life wasn’t ment to be easy , you need to go and sort out your own problems like everyone else does . If you have a genuine problem take it to the police , if the police cant help you then there’s nothing i can do . I have enough problems of my own to deal with and i don’t have time for your problems “. So If by some miracle the oppressors do actually listen , because lets face it , the fact that they are oppressors means that they are highly unlikely to even listen but if they do listen and you get a reply similar to the example I’ve just given , what then . ?? Its like a poor person complaining to a rich person , “ Ive got no money and you’ve got a lot of money you have to give me some of your money “ . Its well and good to have an issue and problems you feel need to be dealt with but if your solution is that other people need to do X,Y and Z then do you really have a solution ??.

[@m0L3ify]

THESIS: Privilege doesn't get to define what "good" is because Privilege also gets to move that line whenever it's convenient for them. EXAMPLE: Every comment that claims she never made a point.

[@ChrisSham]

Arguably also most of the other non sequitur points about her looks or whether it was "funny", as if those have anything to do with the thesis.

[@sashabrown1796]

Comments full of straw man, and ad hominem arguments showing either actual lack of comprehension and critical thinking, or willfull ignorance and hate. It’s sad sad sad.

[@erin_3569]

Thank you. I liked that she was also aknowledging her white, cis, able bodied privilege at the end (she is also disabled even if able bodied since she is autistic and has attention deficit disorder). People saying she's assuming she is good just didn't listen.

[@obliviouz]

EXAMPLE: Her having the opportunity and power to spread *her* opinions, and define what *she* thinks "good" is, with no self awareness.

[@Whoknowsuknow]

Non-privileged groups move the line at their convenience also. The problem is she's arguing for one group to not even be part of the conversation.

[@rodicadraws]

Powerful

[@deeznutz8320]

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

[@jesus-is-rad9684]

" for every man will proclaim his own righteousness"

[@jesus-is-rad9684]

@Joshua Hammond what

[@jesus-is-rad9684]

@Joshua Hammond queefed*

[@hetvipatel686]

Garden Variety Consent Dyslexics🤣🤣🤣

[@Walperion_Music]

Yeah the funniest word combo! )

[@justinr9784]

Because making fun of people with dyslexia is now okay?

[@evamocha2611]

@@justinr9784 obviously you didn’t understand the sentence.

[@justinr9784]

@@evamocha2611 Well yeah you're right she's basically a white man so she can say whatever she likes.

[@nottodayimbusy7146]

@@justinr9784 you spelled woman wrong

[@anz10]

basically dont be so quick to draw the line between good and bad. Good people can do bad things and bad people do good things. So you should always be scrutinizing your own behavior and that of others and don't expect misogyny to came in a perfectly wrapped bow, it is messy and under the radar many times. It is something even so called "good men" can do to varying degrees, You can't just describe misogyny as this one thing that is apart from society, unfortunately in reality it is an undercurrent of society and that's what makes it so pervasive.

[@mr.v8467]

Because the line analogy went on so long, I wasnt entirely sure what she was trying to say by the end. This helped make it clear. Much appreciated!

[@chunkatronic]

D- 8th grade English term paper

[@mr.v8467]

@@chunkatronic i probably disagree with your worldview... but god damn X) thats legit funny, no fightin that

[@RufoGman]

1. She wants people to literally have another group thats at odds with them to decide what is right and wrong for them. That's a pretty dumb idea that nazi's would appreciate. 2. She definitely isn't being so smart that people who disagree with her statements "don't get it". You are just oblivious to the rhetoric because you believe her statements about men and whites unironically.

[@numerozero7820]

To paraphrase the bible: "Look not to the splinter in your brothers eye but the plank in yours"

[@mariposahierra]

Whoa! FIREBRAND. Amazing.

[@gilgameshofuruk4060]

6:36 "Ooh, look, I'm on the telly!"

[@satyricon65]

Her world doesn't sound like an equal world. She can give me 1,984 reasons why I am wrong.

[@chunkatronic]

You're giving a rationalization for harrassment and rape, I hope you realize that.

[@satyricon65]

@Jay Bee - The sad thing is ... he doesn't.

[@lauraatkinson4790]

@@satyricon65 So insisting that it isn't the place of someone else to draw the line for me or my place to draw the line for them is somehow not equal? Explain.

[@TheDustLord]

Where do women draw the line between good women and bad women? That's right, you don't.

[@harleyjameson1939]

Dont do yourself a disservice by thinking most or even a noteable "some" women agree with what this "lady" is polluting the atmosphere with. *No one* should take this individual seriously before she's had 100's more hours of therapy (or a miracle).

[@applebetrippin]

Yes, that's exactly her point. If you fall in the group aforementioned you don't get to make decisions about how good or bad it is acceptable to be.

[@Free_Will_Awareness_Unit]

She's and ignorant narcissist.

[@kuryamtl]

Truth.

[@amourah2003]

If you felt uncomfortable and annoyed watching this and had a hasty “This doesn’t apply to me! That’s offensive and general!” impulse and response... well, you’ve just proven her point. Let’s all take a step back from ego and listen. Every single one of us can be better, myself at the front of that line. ❤️

[@harleyjameson1939]

So, being set to either grow or stagnate is inherent every moment within the human condition. It is the universal experience for everyone at any given time. What is challenging about what Ive witnessed here as an affront to human dignity I simply don't understand. How exactly is it a call to action?

[@bumheadfilmreviewsnstuff8056]

I was uncomfortable and annoyed because someone told me she's really funny and clever.

[@lizp5004]

Wow.. finally found a male comedian that Amy Schumer is funnier than!

[@DarkPrince784]

I used to find Amy Schumer funny until 1) I saw the damning evidence of her stealing other comedians' jokes and 2) realized that when it came to her own, non- plagiarised jokes, there really was nothing else to her act besides "ha ha, I'm a slut and have required multiple abortions" and "my vagina smells". That's pretty much all she has and it gets boring very quickly.

[@lizp5004]

@@DarkPrince784ya, I liked _some_ of her comedy central show -til I realized that show& her Train wreck movie shared all the SAME jokes/premises ... on top of her, &her writers, stealing jokes. &yes, her Netflix special _was_ truly awful. The _only_ funny thing was that she blamed its 1-star rating (thus, forcing NF to ditch it) on "alt-right trolls"... but if that were true, why did no one go after Netflix for being this big alt-right hub, & - if it were so great - why did, supposedly, SO many more of them watch &rate Amy's special, than her so-called "normie" fans? Either way you look at it, it didn't bode well for her... but of course, no one ever questioned it. 😏

[@Bruh-nj5nu]

Liz P Damn bruh that was a double whammy

[@jkemp6791]

Amy Schumer: I’m the least funny comedian ever!!! Hannah Gadsby: Hold my beer...

[@AgeTheStoned]

Liz P hahah this is funny on at least 3 levels.

[@heleneb1326]

Impactful. Thanks. Again. And again.

[@Decembergirl93]

She makes many great points here! I loved her Netflix special and hope to see a lot from her in the future 😊

[@TheGuyAlwaysOnTime]

In what way? Her comment about men is nonsensical, women already are the gold standard that judges male behavior and decides whether something is appropriate or not. In the realm of sexuality a man gets into a lot of trouble if he is "having fun" with a girl, she goes home to him or they go to her and afterwards she decides she was (somehow) forced. If she says no, then its done and he clearly has done wrong because he obviously acted against her will, the court will rule in her favor (which is perfectly fine) but if she says she was afraid to say "no" then the court will often sill rule that the man didn't double check every minute with her and still get into a lot of trouble, even though to an outsider it would look perfectly consentual, after all we cannot mind read. You already have all the power. What Hannah Gadsby wants is that women get to define what is appropriate for a man to say to another man when nobody else is around. That is thought policing of the highest degree: so you and your girls talking about guys in whatever way you wish is "heroic" and "just exercising my freedom and how dare you intrude where you have no right, it's my privacy", but when a few guys retreat into a basement and do what you do: simply exercising their freedom of speech a crime is being committed because you might not like what they talk about? That is literal insansity. What if I don't like girls talking about guys penis size, their breath or bad hygiene behind their back? Are you going to stop? Or are you going to do what every sane person would do and say:" Respectfully shut the fuck up, because this is none of your business?" The other point about replacing everything she said about men with "white". Another nonsense argument: If she is so concerned about the "good white people" deciding what are "bad white people", how about she stops to talk then, because she is clearly a "good white person drawing a line" and clearly can't be trusted to know what she is talking about. If you are going to say its "only white men" who cannot be trusted to have an opinion, then you have the same mindset as victorian england had about women's rights to vote and Hitler's claims that jews have no right to an opinion, because they are jews and behave like jews. If white men were as evil and opressive as you claim and want to rule over all other races, wouldn't the other predominantly white powers like America, England, France, Australia and Canada simply accepted Hitler's Rethoric and helped him exerminate the most undesirable races (jews in hitlers case) and put the rest into bondage as work slaves as he had planned? What utter nonsense, go ahead and refute what I said I am waiting, and adress what I said, rather than try to sway me with some half baked historical half-truths, that somehow make me responsible for millennia of bloodshed and opression, because if you do that, you don't see me as an individual, but try to symbolically use me as a scapegoat for an entire group of people. That is moral barbarity like bloodfeuds and familiy curses, in which responsibility is spread to all generations after an original sin if you want, being condemned not for what I did, but what someone did that can be losely classified as what I look like, namely white and male, the very definition of unhinged and unapologetic racial hate and misandry.

[@user-tu2dr3ny6x]

Richard Lloyd Brilliant. I really wish more people understood world history, philosophy, and psychology as well as you clearly do. It's so easy to see through BS when you have that kind of knowledge, and Hannah is 100% full of it.

[@Hi-Five-Ghost]

Cringe 😑

[@CloudWriter_oidv]

This was deep. I kept thinking about days after and it has altered how I see life and humanity.

[@MissJoy16]

:) That's very encouraging to hear, actually, thank you.

[@BengaliMartyMcfly]

You’ve both got the intellect of 12 year olds clearly. How was school in lockdown?

[@MADEbySOUL]

From what I can understand, Gadsby's speaks about how the underlying problem is that there is a certain "line" that an individual personally makes to determine if they are good. As if to say "yeah I do this but this guy does it worse." For example, "I am racist but at least I'm not a pedophile." So just because one action is "worse" than that means what you are doing isn't bad? That men end up pushing the line farther and farther. Gadsby ends up comparing this to other political issues as well. The individuals who end up directly affected by the said marginalization are the ones who should be deciding the "line" and which actions are considered hurtful to their community. As if to say, it is not our place to forgive or not forgive.

[@JLP4444]

If that's her point, she should give examples. What behavior, for example, do late night hosts ("the Jimmy's") condone but she sees as beyond the pale?

[@wooblebloc]

Sirama I’m a racist. But I still think I’m A good man. Even if you are black and need help I will help you, no problem. I’m no crazy prick. I ain’t going out killing people or oppressing them. I just think whites have accomplished most in the world. Followed by asians. Indians. Arabs then africans

[@keepthechange2811]

I'll see myself out.

[@blakemckibben]

Real gem here

[@MrJustonemorevoice]

"The good men don't have to wake up early" Every single garbage man, power line technician, sewage worker, and struggling comedian begs to differ.

[@tai9705]

just gonna ignore the rest of her statement then? she wasnt talking about people going to work.

[@MrJustonemorevoice]

@@tai9705 this woman is sitting here in an air conditioned room in a fancy suit surrounded by wealth. All of these things brought to her by the modern world and is bemoaning how horrible her life is and how evil all white men are. Oh I listened to her.

[@Psychononne]

@@MrJustonemorevoice Dude, i dont think she was talking about you in particular. She just wanted to emphasize the fact, that everybody (not only men, but also every person essentially) needs to reflect upon himself and his deeds and check whether the high opinion, you have of yourself, holds up to a reality check ;) To be fair: Hannah is talking about (white) men specifically because they for the longest time have controlled public debates and climates that reenforced this "I am an inherently good person and have never done any wrong"-thinking.

[@teng9556]

the whole statement is "the good men don't have to wake up early for their opportunity to monologue on misogyny." you're just looking for an excuse to bag on her. shut up and get a life

[@TeamoJXZ]

She's really using a metaphor here if you saw her shows (Which i assume not)

[@Jeniveve]

Enjoyed watching this so much, I’m gonna go eat some toast. Hannah is incredibly articulate and insightful. I’m glad they invited her to speak!

[@blazedandconfused477]

You felt the need to tell us you're having toast? Good god, are you a dullard. No wonder you like Hannah Gadsby

[@ada.3880]

@@blazedandconfused477 someone really hurt you huh

[@mahanmojdeh8830]

Get that di... Toast outta your mouth

[@qtube9234]

“you know what’s funny? spiders.” -comedy at its finest.

[@chunkatronic]

She said creepy, not funny. Quotation marks are supposed to be used to reproduce, word for word, what someone said.

[@scottyd2262]

@@chunkatronic We knew what they meant.... Are you a teacher that finished grading papers and forgot that you had already finished ? Or just an annoying person full stop ?

[@scottyd2262]

@God "Exactly" LOL!!!!!

[@Hunter-gp1ij]

The audience is so confused

[@chunkatronic]

I see people nodding, smiling and applauding. Get your eyes checked, maybe?

[@Hunter-gp1ij]

charlie bucket ok

[@TimeGallon]

Condemning men on the basis of absolutely nothing else but their gender is such an ironic indictment coming from someone who’s life mission seems to be to fight against discrimination based on gender.

[@andresrojas7924]

Allow me to use that paragraph.

[@craigpaterson9085]

Well said.

[@Porpentein]

There is nothing inherent about a patriarchal structure. When the system itself is bad, making examples out of the people who got caught does not fix the overall problem with a workplace that encourages and harbors abusers. What, we all love Hollywood now?

[@notesfromunderdog8551]

She’s condemning everyone. We are all complicit. If you’re taking her speech personally that’s something to do with you,

[@TimeGallon]

@@notesfromunderdog8551 I think you need to listen to it again if you think she’s condemning everyone equally.

[@crowrebirth]

Most men I know are good men who think they are bad, but I like her point about it being dangerous if you have to think others are bad to think you are good.

[@niklasschroder9564]

Beautiful. It's not the predators who decide where the line is. It is the potential victims. We say, when we feel hurt. When we feel uncomfortable. When we feel disrespected. That is what respect is. Letting others decide, where their line is.

[@niklasschroder9564]

@@KarlSnarks of course you as a person can judge her every way your little brain wants to. If every male Predator would be as peaceful against women as she is against men, there would be no relevant problem. ;) Or what has she ever done to you besides pointing out sociological research results (institutional power, unconscious bias, ...)? say what you want, but in no way she is backed up by an institutionalized power, as men are against women, as whites are against poc, as straights are against lgbt. but tell me: what exactly is her ambition as "misandrist"? not letting you rape her? yep totally her goal;)

[@simonescelsa]

Your irrational comment hurts me, you cannot defend yourself as it is only about what I feel, empirical evidence is irrelevant. Justice shall be made so I can feel better

[@123456789foot]

generalize men, call men predetors and demand respect ,😂😂 stupid

[@nicktrueman224]

Right ok, ever had a gun pointed at you? Well I have. No, you don't decide were the line is.

[@Zollie36]

So what evar happened to follow your heart and treat people the way you want to be treated? And the idea that no one should be judged by their skin color or sex? After reading some (not all) the comments it seems nobody wants to help each other heal they just want their agenda to be the one that comes out on top. What she said really wasn't that profound she just wrap it up in a different type of wrapping paper. Just be nice and understand to where other people are coming from. Recognize that we are all individuals not a one sizes fits all.

[@standard888]

I didn't think she even really wrapped it up differently, unless you count her rather awkward self-wrapping and transparent packaging (for the ideas, not her self). It made a lot of sense to me because I often feel awkward like that when trying to be "nice" to someone who is being, uh, I almost said "creepy". And I don't put quotation marks around my "nice" to belittle your usage. It's just, you know, those people who say, "Why can't you just be nice?" when you're trying to get them to stop being racist-sexist-you-know-ists. Especially prevalent in the Midwest.

[@RufoGman]

She doesn't want men to know how to treat people. She wants to tell them how to live their lives. To tell them right from wrong....

[@standard888]

@@RufoGman Yes, I want to tell men how to live their lives, too. "Don't beat people because they don't want to have sex with you."

[@qvide]

This is brilliant

[@iAmTheSquidThing]

Sure. Draw some lines. If women decide collectively that a sexual behaviour is unacceptable, society probably should make that behaviour illicit. The problem is this is rarely workable in practice. Because women are not a monolith with a unified opinion on morality. They are individuals with radically diverse views about consent and sexual politics.

[@iAmTheSquidThing]

At the moment, women with a media platform are appointing themselves the spokespeople on behalf of all women, pushing their own personal opinions as consensus, and then shaming dissenting women into silence.

[@klaymonkey9073]

Easier just to move the lines men have drawn to back men into a corner.

[@splitpitch]

@@iAmTheSquidThing Your first comment is very insightful. I believe she addressed that by widening her focus on to ethnicity, sexual orientation, disability. We are all individuals, all with our own concerns and moral boundaries. You might find some chick with very few boundaries, then another with a lot. Both are ok, as long as they are the ones deciding the boundaries. Not 'Women' in general, but the individual- even the white male has his boundaries as to what others may do TO him. Every WM is an individual, so, again, those boundaries vary. "women with media platform' are NOT the spokesperson for all women- she literally SAID that in the clip. White people can not speak for black people. Straights for gays, able bodied for the disabled. She's hardly trying to shame women into silence- she is overtly advocating they, and others speak up, and people listen to them as individuals, and respect their own personal individual boundaries.

[@The_Greipist]

@@splitpitch Where do women's boundaries come into play inside a men's locker room?

[@splitpitch]

@@The_Greipist They don't, otherwise that would be one group dictating the behaviour of another group. She clearly stated that was what she was objecting to. She used the term 'locker room' - in that men have different boundaries for different occasions. This is true. We do. We ALL do. Men, women, gays, even the diabled. She tried to make that point, obviously not clearly enough. She widened her focus to include racial, sexual orientation and disabilities. In the locker room, usually there are no women present, but there might be people of different races. Is it ok to make racist jokes if there are 14 white guys and one non white? "Oh, it's ok, He knows were only kidding, eh, Token?? hahahaha..." People focus on the men vs women aspect of her talk- that was the starting point. Do you think she likes straight women telling her what is or isn't ok for her? Is it PC to respect another individual's boundaries? PC gone mad?

[@ADrunkSuperman3]

Im wondering. Is this suppose to be funny. Either way this man is stunning and brave.

[@kamikaze3636]

That person is a she

[@allan7621]

😂

[@carriebell1775]

🤣🤣

[@davideriksen9695]

This comment was much funnier than the entire video.

[@kamikaze3636]

@@hirakaiko5570 what i did there was also a "joke"

[@MisaoM]

Oh man, this comment section is cancer! This just shows how ugly and stuck in their own world most people are :') We should all try to take a good look at how we behave towards other people now and then - this would have been such an opportunity, and it looks like very few people are ready to admit to their own shortcomings, and instead of trying to treat others with respect, they lash out because a speech such as this makes them uncomfortable - they know deep down that they are not perfect, and in need of change, just as everybody is, but they are too afraid of changing, too prideful. I don't necessarily agree with everything Hannah said here, but I agree with the notion that everyone thinks that, in the end, they belong to the 'good people', and as such, anyone disagreeing with them is 'wrong'. Instead of going with 'good and bad', though, why can't more people go with 'respect for others' as a line? Everybody wants their opinion to be respected, and you should treat others as you would like to be treated yourself. If everyone treated others with respect, what an incredibly different world we would live in...

[@bahnsidhes]

@Buttercup How does addressing the issues of another countries religious beliefs have anything to do with our behavior. She's addressing the things that impact women because she is a woman. She's addressing the things that impact LGBTQ+A because she is a part of the LGBTQ+A. And she's addressing the things that impact People of Color because she is white woman who's smart enough to know that she doesn't get to decide "where" where to draw the line, they do. Her talking about misogyny in Islam is the equivalent of white men getting to draw the line on what's appropriate for women. Muslim women are the ones that get to draw the line.... and we should support them, but we should NEVER do it for them. Because we are not Muslim women.

[@bahnsidhes]

@Buttercup Are you triggered? LMAO GTFO Your argument is ridiculous and you're making an ass of yourself.

[@katjapia8206]

That is a fundamental view she makes clear, wish she talk more about

[@neosoontoretro]

Okay listen, I get why a lot of people would disagree with some of the things Hannah has said, I don't agree with everything she said. However, that doesn't mean she is entirely wrong about everything. Hannah is on point when you she talks about the problem of "good men" monologuing about misogyny, the "good men" tend to have simplistic worldview that makes them incapable of any real self-reflection. And no, I'm not saying that "good men" don't exist but I am saying that it's easy to slap a label on someone to make yourself look "good" by comparison. The self-indulgent moral grandstanding and benevolent sexism of "good men" has run amok since the MeToo movement began and I think people like Hannah Gadsby are starting to catch on. Look, if you're a male feminist or if you're a man who identifies with the MeToo movement then my beef is NOT with you, my problem is self-righteous "good men" so convinced of their goodness that anyone who challenges their own behavior must not be good.

[@Ludifant]

I am a man and I do not feel threatened by this. I don´t know about a lot of things she says, but I tend to believe her, because she does... What I do understand is the need to judge. And how that is an impusle we need to keep in check, for our own good and how we need to question the motivation for this impulse. This feels true. I am probably doing things wrong I don´t know about (and not just in the context of misogyny). Wouldn´t be the first time. I always try not to, but so does everybody else. And the fact that I see, that others don´t get it right, means I have to watch myself like a hawk. Watch what I do, watch what I am saying, not what I think about it or how I justify it. Either that or feel I´m somehow superior to the other men and I´m done with that. We are all special, or none of us are. That is the whole point.

[@aryanaken5436]

I think what she says about 'the line' and who gets to draw it is a very dangerous concept. She doesn't say men shouldn't comment on experiences exclusive to women (which is a fair argument, one I am inclined to agree with), she says that 'the line' for any two groups of humans should be drawn by the disadvantaged. The idea of reducing people down to simply their immutable characteristics and not taking into account personality, empathy and individuality can lead to very severe cases of mob mentality. I think we all as humans have our own objectivity and biases and that's what makes us human. Hannah herself says in Nanette that it is not men who are born with misogyny and sexism but the power they were given that corrupted them. By that logic, giving the historically disadvantaged and disenfranchised the power to draw the 'line' will lead us down a road of revenge not equality and peace. To me individual responsibility is much more important than collective responsibility. The ability to question yourself transparently or true self awareness would lead to a far better life than listening to other people about 'the line' and your position relative to it, because if you can't trust your own objectivity, one of the very things that makes you you, how can you ever trust someone else's?

[@aryanaken5436]

@@AmmaSoelberg Thanks! I felt like I had to say something because most of the people in the comments misinterpreted what she was saying.

[@zorro_zorro]

But we don't have an impartial judge here. So the choice is between giving the power to decide what's ok and what's not to the victims, or giving it to the bullies. I think both systems are imperfect, but one is clearly worse. Don't you agree?

[@rainbowpurplepegasus251]

It’s much easier if you think about it as setting personal boundaries and having people respect them bc that’s all ‘the line’ really is

[@aryanaken5436]

@@rainbowpurplepegasus251 If you frame it that way then yea I would definitely agree. No one should disrespect personal boundaries. As long as we can agree that they are just that: personal

[@Nick-qg6jd]

Well said. And we have strict laws against all of that stuff she's complaining about. We can't control how people behave or interpret those laws, but it seems she's arguing for no due process, and just letting this amorphous group "non-men" people decide who's guilty or not on twitter? And this amorphous, vague group "Non-white" people decide on twitter which white people are guilty? And if you don't fit those demographics, you need to be quiet and just await your sentence? Very totalitarian, and doesn't work in the real world, in a liberal society of laws and due process.

[@Moonstruck89]

Whoa! One of the most brilliant feminist speeches ever. Those who don’t understand the meaning of feminist should listen to this: really listen 👂

[@chunkatronic]

@Undead Chronic Who's spewing hatred? She didn't attack anyone on their appearance. You did. Good to know that you consider women worthless if you don't approve of their appearance. (As if it matters, she's not obsese.)

[@rogerigez21]

charlie bucket, she attacked people for having a Y chromosome. Feminists are so insufferable, it beyond ridiculous at this point.

[@devinsilva2102]

Well if we get invaded by another country or have a zombie apocalypse “feminist” don’t come looking for mens help

[@0oohnegative]

Uh oh, 5.2k Kevins didn't like this:(

[@TellingItLikeItIs2000]

She pretty much took a shit on ALL men, including the good ones. She's sexist, but it's okay because she's a woman? Double standards are the recipes of discrimination.

[@GOLDTRADERRR]

HOORAY for Hannah! She's too smart for most of you negative commenters. You probably think you're a 'good' person.

[@mistywade2689]

There are a lot of people in the comments who seem to not really understand what she's trying to say. Her point is that you can't as a man, dictate what is okay and what is not okay in relation to how you treat women. A man can't say, "it's okay that I called her a slut to my friends, because I'd never call my mother a slut. I'm a good person." because it's not up to you to decide, from a standpoint of privilege, if that's acceptable. If a woman says "It's not okay that you called me a slut to your friends, just because you wouldn't call your mother a slut", then that's a more appropriate guideline for a man to follow than his own guidelines. It's the same as how its unacceptable for white people to use the n-word. We didn't set that standard, people of colour did, because they're the ones who live with the consequences of the usage of that word, just like how it's the woman who lives with the consequences of being called a slut. If you don't like thinking of it that way, then imagine that a company is underpaying their workers and demanding they work too many hours, then a trade union comes in and says "that pay and those hours are unacceptable, here is what is acceptable", then clearly it's the unions guidelines that should be followed, because they're acting in the interest of the workers (the powerless), where the company (the powerful) is acting in its own interest. When a man draws his own lines about what is acceptable behaviour, he is acting in his own interest, not in the interest of the people it actually affects. Sometimes it hurts to look at yourself and say "I could be doing this better", but it won't actually harm you to reevaluate your behaviour, and if you don't then you run the risk of becoming just like Cosby and Weinstein. For those men saying "oh you want men to change but women don't have to?" or "She's calling all men bad! What a hypocrite!", I say to you, MEN ARE NOT THE MARGINALISED GROUP. She's also not saying all men are bad, she's saying that it's bad to decide for yourself what constitutes a good man so you can get away with stuff.

[@PapaChummy]

Misty, please. There is not a more privileged group on earth than white women in America, followed closely by white women in every other white majority country on earth. Who is calling someone a slut, how old are they? What exactly do you think locker room talk is? 14 year olds say slut and then eventually get older and have more nuanced views on the world, as one does. Her whole argument is setting up a standard in which all people are inherently perfect and choose to do bad. Good men, as she says, have lines for all different groups and situations. Thats because outside the generalizations that are her arguments, there are no two situations that are the same and there are countless extenuating circumstances for any situation. Because if the standard is that all people must be without error otherwise you are banished, then we would all be banished. Her argument then changes toward race and women and how we also can not choose when to be good, comes clearly from the fact that she doesn't know the numbers and has never looked up an opposing point of view. The US does not have any institution or law, as currently stands, that discriminates against anyone based on their race, sex, sexual orientation or religion, that's just a fact. If you don't know this, that is because you have never looked it up. And if you are going to point out that we have had laws that have done that, just realize all of those laws were created and enforced by the democrats. Which is why so many people are anti government, just so you know. ] Last thing, all these misgivings of men that she talks about from Picasso to Cosby all stem from the creation of free love/sex society. There were standards in place that kept men from doing this, it was called marriage. So, which do you want?

[@chunkatronic]

@@PapaChummy You're on a par with Jordan Peterson in terms of the psychobabble you generate. You generated 4 paragraphs of... something... up there, and not one of them has anything to do with the content of the video or with Misty's very concise summary.

[@PapaChummy]

charlie bucket yes I did. It’s funny how you responded to my comment the way that you claimed I responded to her. You addressed nothing I said.

[@laserabella]

This is the best comment I've ever seen on KZbin.

[@labelle9921]

@@PapaChummy A question: How did political party enter into the discussion? And you do understand that being married has never kept a man from abusing a woman, raping a woman, or cheating on a woman.

[@user-ry2me6ru3r]

The only way to make her feel offended is to get up and just walk away and not look back.. not even respond back if she calls you out for leaving just keep walking away... It's not worth trying to say anything to this type of living being... She doesn't wanna accept reality no matter how many times we can shove the real truth in her face she'll keep ignoring it... So if that's the case then the best thing we can do is just get up and scoot the chair back in and walk away

[@dmsqll1321]

I love you hannah gadsby!!!!!!!!!!

[@lilithbernstein]

"Rejecting the humanity of a woman is not creepy. It's misogyny."

[@deeznutz8320]

The women that always struggle with filing R*pe cases unless they are false...

[@lilithbernstein]

@@deeznutz8320 What?! :D

[@craigdavidson2278]

Rumour has it that she is a comedian.

[@chunkatronic]

Rumor has it you have nothing useful to say

[@user-rz1tu5ll3h]

I wish she would have provided multiple examples of these lines to illuminate precisely how they draw in the sand “relatively determined” by people in various situations. Fit is FUNDAMENTAL vital to point out the flaws in each line because IGNORANCE due to “societal norms” mask the true impact of all these behaviors.

[@margicates553]

This is so wonderfully True, and clear, and ASD. Thank you!

[@123456789foot]

Do you didn't have any idea about the line? Are you learning this watching this video, wonderful

[@shethewriter]

Hilarious, clever, insightful, heartfelt. I love this woman! Her Netflix special has an amazing monologue about Van Gogh that had me dead!

[@Redebedarf-sw1fl]

Are you serious? This Lady is everything else but funny. I felt very bad for her...wasn't she supposed to be a comedian?

[@loopdiditydoop1926]

Christian Goede Comedy isn’t objective. Nothing is. Elton John is just as much of a musician as Tupac as Johnny Cash as Andrea Bocelli as Madonna. They all play wildly different music, you can’t even begin to compete who is superior. They’re all musicians, and who you prefer is just your taste. Hannah Gadsby is just as much of a comedian as Joan Rivers as Stephen Fry as John Mulaney as Bo Burnham. They all do wildly different styles of comedy, you can’t even begin to compete who is superior. They’re all comedians, and who you prefer is just your taste. You might not think Hannah Gadsby is funny. You might not think John Mulaney is funny. I do. You might think Liza Lampanelli is funny. You might think Joe Rogan is funny. I don’t. It’s all personal taste, just like music. It’s ridiculous to say that she’s a bad comedian because YOU think she’s a bad comedian. That’s not an argument.

[@Redebedarf-sw1fl]

@@loopdiditydoop1926 ok, then please tell me what made you laugh? There was not one joke!🤷‍♂️

[@loopdiditydoop1926]

Christian Goede That’s because it’s a speech about misogyny and sexual assault! She’s not trying to be a comedian here! Just like how Elton John isn’t trying to be a musician when he’s doing a speech on an AIDS crisis in Africa!

[@pv25]

@@loopdiditydoop1926 The thing is that being a comedian requires you to make jokes. When people go to a comedy show they expect comedy, not to be lectured about how they should be or think and not to hear someone retell traumatic events in their life without literally any jokes. Yes it’s an art form and is fluid, but comedy has a specific definition and criteria to be met, and her monologues do not qualify as such.