MLM TOP FAILS #65 | Planet Fitness partnering with Optavia, weird Beachbody billboard

[@theneurodivergentcounselor]

Someone should let her know that hormones and neurotransmitters are different.🤷‍♀️

[@absinthealice]

This is exactly what I came to thr comments to say 😂

[@wandafulll]

I'm studying neuroscience at the moment and there's a lotttt wrong with the description of the role of serotonin and dopamine here 😅

[@theneurodivergentcounselor]

@@wandafulll right?!😅

[@reidleblanc3140]

gender essentialists be like

[@israa.6375]

my head hurts listening to this…girl, autoimmune diseases are not gut issues. and if you’re deficient in dopamine, that’s not due to your gut, but a medical condition wherein your body is destroying its own nutrients or is not receiving enough. are you going to tell somebody with parkinson, a severe lack of dopamine, to take some probiotics? this is what happens when you parrot whatever script somebody gives you, who’s already talking out their ass.

[@SkidgeDaMighty]

The first one with the "happy juice" reminds me of the old cliche of mommy's happy juice being a code for booze 😅

[@AshleyYelsha]

MY THOUGHTS TOO LOL im like shit my mental health would be 10/10 if i was also getting day drunk in hawaii

[@lapetitemorte6307]

I was looking for this comment. In my memory, 'happy juice' was what was in the glass that us 6-12yo's weren't allowed to take a drink from when all of us cousins were over at Grandma's. There were a lot of us, admittedly.

[@drexyspivey]

Lol… so, I’m not the only one, huh?

[@tuschi8039]

Tbh I think that'd be working better than amare 🤭

[@lauras3666]

Haha I’m Like what no vodka? That’s not happy juice!

[@carrieb3000]

Ugh, I’m an ICU nurse and we don’t even allow diffusers because our patients are so sick/sensitive to smells. And honestly this girl probably doesn’t realize that those nurses are just being nice and immediately throwing away that business card 😂

[@LisaHarvey16]

It would never happen in a UK hospital.

[@Astrocam88]

I'm pretty sure here in Canada, or at least some places, don't even allow flowers in a hospital because some people are sensitive to smells. Let alone a diffuser. Ugh.

[@carrieb3000]

@@Astrocam88 yeah we don’t allow flowers in the patient rooms, if a visitor brings them, they have to leave them on the nurses station in front of the room until the patient leaves.

[@Roxy222uk]

I'm guessing that what is allowed in the hospital bears no relationship to what she's preaching as a good business move 😂 plus, I don't care how old they are, but if my mother is in hospital and one of my off-spring tries to use it as an opportunity to sell something there will be **words**, no punches pulled.

[@carrieb3000]

@@Roxy222uk you’re a healthcare workers MVP 🫶🏻

[@sierram9573]

“Your body works as a complete body system” really got me 😂

[@shanel4294]

Fr, like yeah no S that’s the first things you learn in high school biology

[@susanfudge1737]

Doctors don't seem to get this.

[@nad_bell_]

"Did you know that your brain is connected to your gut?" no, I thought I was just a floating head 🤔

[@ZeldaBeckstead]

@@susanfudge1737Would you mind elaborating?

[@heavydamon]

@@shanel4294I dont think school is needed to know your body is functional as a body😂

[@CL-gp3pw]

The first chick fills me with rage. The LIES, omg. "My inbox is filled with people asking me about this!" No it's not, quit lying. "I tripled my team!" Translation: I went from 1 person to 3. "Nobody was talking about mental health before the pandemic!" That is just so not true, I can't even. Quit LYING.

[@LisaHarvey16]

They believe their own BS.

[@alexcheadle5881]

When they say there’s so many dms there’s literally zero

[@SjofnBM1989]

I don't even think she's intentionally lying she sounds like an absolute id*ot she's probably just regurgitating whatever her upline told her and is too braindead to do any critical thinking about it.

[@abigailseals8950]

Watching her was baffling

[@mahamstring5576]

Bet all 3 people are family as well 😕

[@bhskhs2010]

The humble brag of the first girl “oh I’m saying good morning because we’re in Hawaii” really just set her off for me

[@crizmeow8394]

I’m sorry but after COVID and the multiple native Hawaiians that have openly expressed they do not want people going to Hawaii, I’m side eyeing any hun who uses the island as a brag too, like, we can see your entitlement from a mile away

[@m0L3ify]

It's really hard for me to not think of Lori Vallow Daybell now whenever I see a hunbot bragging about being in Hawaii with that Valley accent. Similar vibes.

[@alexboocrossing3269]

Yeah, ooooh in Hawaii on vacation and still working, trying to make a sale and recruit people 😆 I’m soooo jealous.

[@maryeckel9682]

​@@alexboocrossing3269really!

[@uutdiegodzilla3821]

​@@alexboocrossing3269Exactly! Wow, all that time freedom!! I am *so* jealous!!! 🤣🤣🤣 And btw, if she's in Maui and *still* needs to drink an overprized supplement powder drink to be *happy* her problem seems to go much deeper and is too serious to be treated with "expensive urine"-powder!

[@pineapplepapercrafts]

I work as a pharmacy assistant. I can tell you people definitely want their meds. It's crazy how busy we are. And getting busier. There are lots of anti depressants and such going out daily. And the natural argument is so silly. Arsenic is natural and will kill you. 😅

[@Riot_Bird]

And people also use to use arsenic as medication for multiple different issues be for we figured out how toxic it is

[@Gyaradosage]

I usually refute the “natural” argument with “ok, say you’re in a plane crash and you can pick one thing before you jump out of the plane to help you. Are you gonna pick a rock because it’s completely natural and can help with a lot of things in your life, or are you gonna pick a parachute because it’s been developed and designed to be the safest in that situation?”

[@maryeckel9682]

I always go straight to ricin myself.

[@maryeckel9682]

​@@Gyaradosageooh, good one!

[@pineapplepapercrafts]

@@Gyaradosage hahaha oh definitely picking the rock. Nature made it therefore it's better right 🤣🤣🤣

[@Tottosmile]

The YL hun in the hospital feels like a skit. I can just imagine a nurse coming over saying "I'm sorry ma'am, your grandma just passed" and the hun going off on them for interrupting her live

[@tiararoxeanne1318]

I think it is real. Years ago it is a trend in my area that reps visit hospitals and selling supplements to patients and their relatives in corridor, in waiting rooms, in cafeterias, etc.🤦🏼‍♀️

[@SjofnBM1989]

​@tiararoxeanne1318 I don't think they're saying they don't think she was shilling her oils at the hospital I think they're saying it's just so ridiculous

[@chelsye4929]

They really have no shame. How did she honestly record that whole thing, give an entire script on how to set up everything, down to having the cards ready and the bottle out by the diffuser, watch it back and think, yeah I'm going to post that for anyone to be able to see. Actually proving that nothing she does is genuine, everything is calculated for a specific agenda. It's cringey and embarrassing.

[@erinthechronicler]

I love how these amari reps keep telling us that they've trademarked "the mental wellness company" like that means anything. You get a trademark by filing the forms, paying the fee, and then enforcing your rights to use it at the exclusion of all others. I could trademark the name "showdog trampoline union," but that doesn't mean that I already have showdogs, trampoline(s), or a union. Spoilers: I don't.

[@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley]

I work with many of my state's agencies and yep, right there on the site for the Secretary of State is the application for a trademark. While I personally don't get too many calls about them (we're tech support for the site), I would say not getting calls about them means it's very easy to fill out. I've gone through it myself when needing to troubleshoot a rare issue. Trademarking a phrase like that doesn't mean anything special and indeed, you don't need to provide any proof proving you are THE one and only wellness company or show how you're better than others. It's just a phrase and that's it.

[@thegrimlooper]

It’s like paying for Twitter or Instagram Checkmark thing. You can’t really tell who has been around to gain their followers/checkmark. (Smaller creators/business deserve recognition but too bad there isn’t a better way to do it)

[@maryeckel9682]

That's a great band name.

[@sophiejackson7148]

I almost wet my pants on the “show dog trampoline union.”😊

[@Emm325]

😂😂😂

[@jklroxmysox111]

Sooo okay. I’m a licensed therapist. It *is* true that your gut contains it’s own neurotransmitters and has many neurons but that doesn’t mean anything. Neurons are just nerve cells-the entire body has them. Every nerve cells communicates via neurotransmitters. Emerging research does definitely show a brain-gut connection and there is some research that having a totally out of whack gut microbiome can affect things like depression, but it has to be PRETTY bad for that to happen. It certainly isn’t “when you have butterflies in your stomach it means your brain gut is having emotions” lol. It means your body is flooding with cortisol and adrenaline which has effects on all of your body systems. Also, the vagus nerve thing-the vagus nerve runs through your whole torso down to your butt, basically. There’s some evidence that calming the nerve with, say, long deep breaths can lower your heart rate because the nerve also involves your heart. But there is a lot of bullshit out there about somehow hacking your whole body system with just manipulating vagus nerve activation…. Alsoooooo I love the comment about how doctors can only give you medications. Like…yeah? That’s their job? If you want therapy you have to go somewhere else, that’s why it’s a different health profession.

[@CarboneCat]

Planet Fitness has already a bad reputation in the fitness community (kicking people out for random reasons such as having a big bottle of water, serving donuts and pizzas on site, etc.) but partnering with Optavia? WTF? It’s one of the worst MLM ever.

[@klaytonalexandermatthews2047]

a big bottle of water?? oh my lord, I mean, how dare someone stay hydrated 👀

[@Imcoldallthetime]

@@klaytonalexandermatthews2047 it's hilarious because the reason they don't like big bottles of water is because usually weight lifters drink from large bottles or gallon jugs. They're judging against people who weight lift, even though they tout being a "judgement free zone."

[@smurph13]

Funny you mention the pizza serving lol. I work at Papa Johns and our area locations have been regularly delivering large orders every month or 2 for the last few years to the 2 local Planet Fitness locations. Always pepperoni, sausage, and cheese pizzas too. They don't even try to make em on the healthier side. Always thought it was a bit odd but hey, who am I to judge. 🤣

[@CarboneCat]

@@Imcoldallthetime Exactly, and that lunk alarm. I get it, some lifters are grunting loudly but it has nothing to do with intimidating inexperienced weights lifters. It’s clear that Planet Fitness doesn’t want a specific type of gym goer in their facilities.

[@susan4912]

Ppl saying no one talked about mental health before 2020 is such boomer energy. Gen z has been trauma dumping online and advocating for mental health resources since we got access to the internet and younger millennials were at the forefront of a movement in the early 2010s. Just because you weren't involved doesn't mean it wasn't happening

[@sporkle1290]

"I knew mental health was going to be HUGE" What a weird thing to say

[@Jerryline06]

My wife suffered/suffers from postpartum depression. After hiding it well for almost a year, she finally told me about. We went to a doctor right away and she now takes a low dose antidepressant and more importantly, pairs it with therapy. Antidepressants are not a cure and its temporary (duration depends on severity), but therapy and talking about it has been amazing. So please talk to someone and get help asap. The longer you wait the harder it is.

[@the_Sarahnator]

Imagine being on an amazing vacation in Hawai'i and STILL WORKING. Nope, bye. 😂

[@AshleyYelsha]

cant even call it working, its more like volunteering lol

[@the_Sarahnator]

@@AshleyYelsha you got that right!

[@Mama_Bear524]

Imagine being her husband? You’re on vacation and your wife randomly decides to do a long live? I’d be pissed

[@the_Sarahnator]

@@Mama_Bear524 Honestly. I'd be so upset.

[@mrsh287]

Time freedom..mmmkay 😂

[@h0llasamantha]

video #2 really blew my mind. she brought oils to the hospital NOT because she thought her grandmother would enjoy the scent, NOT because she’s under the impression the oils will “heal” her grandmother, but with the purpose of slinging her MLM. wow. just wow.

[@quitti]

Wouldn't the nurses be wanting her to turn off the diffuser? So many people have scent allergies and most hospitals are scent free zones?

[@sususieable]

Yes! I don’t work in the medical field anymore and I still feel weird and guilty putting in perfume before going to the office, it was that drilled in to us

[@LisaHarvey16]

They wouldn't be able to do that in a UK hospital.

[@stephaniethesoprano]

literally! I cannot believe nurses in a hospital would be like "oh that smells good" instead of "turn that garbage off this is a hospital"

[@galactics]

the way the amare rep talked about "knowing mental health was going to be huge" like it was an amazing business decision made my stomach turn

[@hubabaloop]

Did u know ur gut & ur brain are connected? Yep! Ur body is a whole body system!

[@peaceofmind77]

I hate Amari. Anti-depressants literally saved my life. Yes, they aren't always the answer but therapy is another option that can be incredibly helpful.

[@juhannussauna9083]

Also anti depressants arent suppose to be cure, they are tool to help you get stable enough to reiceve therapy etc

[@mizunokioku]

I love how they try to make us feel gross for needing medicine for a disease.

[@Rio26202]

Certain diets can also help. Obviously it won’t cure it but it can help you handle it a bit better.

[@wanjawandia1786]

@@Rio26202yes indeed foods help a lot with health too.

[@Irishczech]

A combo of the right medication, therapy, lifestyle, and support systems can help manage illness. These snake oil salespeople are dangerous bc we all want a simple cure. I'm shocked that huns get away with pushing dangerous claims.

[@rebeccah3715]

From what the first gal said; Autoimmune issues are gut issues. Um. No. Autoimmune issues are immune system issues. My daughter is type one diabetic because her immune system killed off the cells in her pancreas that produce insulin. No pink drink or anything else I could pour down her is going to fix that issue. There might be other autoimmune issues that gut health could change, but not all of them. These blanket statements they make anger me so much.

[@AshleyYelsha]

"anything else i could pour down her" hahaha

[@Alyssa_M513]

Right? Even autoimmune disorders like Chron's work the exact opposite of what she said. It's the immune system that affects the digestive system, not the other way around. That's why immune suppressants are prescribed for Chron's. 🤦‍♀️

[@israa.6375]

right, like crohns could be considered an autoimmune ’gut’ disorder…but that’s because crohns is a disease of the gastrointestinal tract. it is a ‘gut’ issue because your ‘gut’ is literally inflamed. how on earth would something like rheumatoid arthritis a gut issue??

[@michelleabbott8272]

same i thought if diabetes immediately. she also said 90% of hormones are made in the gut.. then named neurotransmitters literally made in the BRAIN

[@angelareese390]

type1DM was the first thing to come to mind...as well as lupus, connective tissue disorders, autoimmune hepatitis and the list goes on and on and on. she's thinking of crohns disease. not every autoimmune disorder

[@funguy955]

I found out recently that my aunt used to pitch Mary Kay to cancer patients actively getting treatment in the hospital and she very likely lied about having cancer herself back then..... possibly to legitimize what she was doing?? Anyway that woman selling essential oils in the hospital gave me those vibes LOL.

[@maryeckel9682]

Oh jeez

[@LisaHarvey16]

OMG.

[@sususieable]

It’s also worth noting that, often times, hospitals and medical facilities are fragrance free places and this rule is not just for the people who work there but for the patients/visitors as well. Perfumes, essential oils, and other smelly products can cause allergic reactions, respiratory issues, migraines, etc. which can be harmful to those receiving treatment!

[@BalletomaneM]

As someone with severe bipolar disorder, I could never ever go off my medication, especially not for "holistic cures". The first woman is out of her mind.

[@KristinaVeshtort-Kask]

Hard same. My meds have been literally lifesaving, so listening to that hun brought bile to my throat.

[@romancingr0se]

Thank you🎉 anti - depressants saved my life. Not yoga. Not Doterra. Not self - help. Drugs.

[@JenniferJadeKerr]

As a trained counsellor, I made the same face as you did when the first woman said that prior to the pandemic no one was talking about mental health. Too funny. It did become a more common conversation for many people, but I guarantee you people were talking about mental health pre-pandemic.

[@MeyTribe]

"Because your body works as a complete body system" I'm dying here... And srsly- she grew up as a child learning to count calories ??? My god.

[@Sara-Loves-Puns]

My first thought for that last girl was that the announcement post she had the police make for her was for her safety. There have been a lot of news stories about how knocking on the wrong door could risk your life in this country. But I think Hannah's right that it could have the opposite effect, and the post could risk her safety.

[@bridget7539]

That's what I thought too. The thought behind that would be to let the community know who she is so she doesn't get shot through the door

[@Siriastimeflies]

Yep, it's a gamble eitherway so this feels like an attempt at a preventive measure. Not the worst idea imho (the worst idea is joining the MLM)

[@mirjam3553]

Yeah, I heard "This is a very report-happy neighborhood, so we the police are telling you we know who this is, she's not sus _and_ will leave you alone if you just say no."

[@reidleblanc3140]

Exactly what I thought.

[@barose1]

Right. As if everyone uses Facebook. Law enforcement should have told her not to do this and given her legitimate options.

[@craft_yplanning1012]

It really grinds my gears when people in these companies go there about autoimmune diseases when they have no clue what they are talking about. That is why I go to my rheumatologist who I trust 🤦‍♀️

[@carolsummers8734]

My grandson has one and he rely on his doctors and infusions.

[@deannaratz9702]

Came here to say the same thing - when I was diagnosed with RA, a bunch of people around me came out of the woodwork with their ideas of what caused it and what I should eat to "cure" it - all based on ignorance!

[@sarahgreiner2694]

If someone brought a diffuser to my loved one's hospital room, I think I would lose my stuff. There is no way that's good for a sick person to be stuck with that mess. I was at work and was having an allergic reaction (the ceiling was open with so much junk coming out of the ceiling) - a coworker tried to help with her diffuser. Spoiler, it was not a help.

[@fishieloosey]

YES! I have no idea how they allowed something that smelled so strong in a hospital. Nurses aren't even supposed to wear perfume (even though they do) because these poor patients are dealing with nausea and other things that are exacerbated by smells.

[@LisaHarvey16]

Me too I would totally lose it.

[@hailyjohnson407]

I'm severely allergic to lavender to the point I can't even smell things with it in there or I cant breathe. I'm not deadly allergic, as it doesn't lead to an anaphylaxis response, but I will be uncontrollably sneezing and coughing for a long time from smelling it, and contact with my skin such as a perfume/lotion or clothing washed in lavender scented soap result in nasty hives very quickly. If someone difused lavender oil in my hospital room I would absolutely flip my shit. You never know what others are allergic to, as natural doesn't automatically mean safe. I have a friend who is deadly allergic to cinnamon, like eating a single pastry with cinnamon in it could kill her, and her throat begins swelling even smelling it. Don't spray/diffuse shit in areas that are not your own home/car/personal space

[@TheQuietRiotProductions]

I haven’t finished the video yet but my jaw clinched as she began talking about mental health and the pandemic. I’m grateful for my medication. People who make people feel guilty about it makes me so angry.

[@LisaHarvey16]

Same here. At least I know what was prescribed to me by a medical professional has been tried and tested and is used to treat the actual problem.

[@cbakker99]

Right!? Gotta love people's unsolicited advice about getting "off that stuff and just exercise." Yeah, ok guy.

[@eddielath9333]

​@@LisaHarvey16this is probably a bit specific to my country, but the MLM supplements are 10x the price of my real, effective and tested medications!

[@frith.calluna]

That first clip made me feel like I was about to have an aneurysm from all the medical misinformation.

[@maryeckel9682]

Same

[@thatmarycatgirl]

I feel like the nurses were just being polite to that woman. Why do MLM reps actively choose to not understand the concept of saying something just to be polite/kind??

[@shanel4294]

This, they were just making conversation, probably thought she sprayed a perfume or something, I doubt they expecting a whole sales pitch

[@LisaHarvey16]

It's beyond most of them.

[@laurendearnley9595]

Because people being polite/kind is how The Hun makes alot of sales. Alot of people are browbeaten into buying their products because they want to be supportive, or they don't want to be rude.

[@pixiegirl131415]

I’m a nurse, and this was exactly my thought. They’re not going to be rude to someone who’s family member is in the hospital, possibly dying. They were being professional.

[@TearLilyd]

I have complimented someone's nails before and they got all excited and gave me nail strip to try (enough for one hand only) and their card which made me uncomfortable because I feel like there's something not normal for a nurse to buy things from patient and have their info. I've also been given maty Kay card as well and such and I will put in shred box bc I don't think it's right but I am also against mlms as I obviously watch these lol

[@momoproblemos]

This first girl is so infuriating. Her implication that if you take these products that you can cure autoimmune diseases is so dangerous.

[@LisaHarvey16]

They should be prosecuted for lying like that

[@janellea826]

The only solution doctors have is pharmaceuticals? Does she not know what therapy is?

[@debbyd5729]

I love how Hun #1 touts her happy juice as chemical-free alternative to help trigger serotonin, as though chemicals are scary and bad. Does she realize that SEROTONIN itself is a CHEMICAL! 😂

[@jaymondallie]

If I would have came up to the hospital while my Great Grandma was in there, trying to pitch my MLM to a nurse - Great Grandma Bruce would have smacked me upside the head and told me off right then and there. No matter her condition. Poor grandma…. She probably was so happy to know her granddaughter was coming to visit!!!!

[@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley]

Your grandmother's name was Bruce?

[@jaymondallie]

@@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley Bruce is her married last name! Her first name was Gereline, but we always called her Grandma Bruce

[@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley]

@@jaymondallie After I wrote mu comment, I figured it was something like that, lol. Thank you though for the clarification!

[@chrispham6599]

​@@jaymondallieGrandma Bruce sounds like a fucking badass

[@jaymondallie]

@@chrispham6599 Oh man, she was!!! She had a plethora of Tupperware, that she bought from her sister many many years ago. I once asked her why she only used Merele Norman makeup and she said “because we do not participate in buying from pyramid schemes… unless it’s from your sister” HAHAHA

[@shamedgeeky]

Calling a product "happy juice" is so weird and dystopian to me. Also, tons of people were talking about mental health pre-cov, just not in her little bubble of privilege

[@AeriaGl0ris]

My thought as well. What rock was she living under prior to the pandemic? Plenty of people were talking about mental health.

[@Cascadeis]

It makes me think of the episode of Doctor Who where there are people selling “moods” - ‘Do you want some happy happy, love?’ 😂

[@draconicfeline6177]

Happy juice honestly sounds like a sex euphemism. No thanks, ma'am.

[@chelsye4929]

Yeah, personally I feel like it sounds extremely childish. I would be embarrassed to tell people I'm drinking something called happy juice.

[@WhatAreFrogs]

30:19 they did this in St. Louis too when their summit was here. Had to pass by their stupid billboard everyday driving to work. But I definitely did a double take when I noticed the logo out of the corner of my eye

[@G-L-O-R-I-A]

Thank God no one I know would run a diffuser and shill their crap in my sick room at the hospital. That’s just messed up and cold hearted.

[@LisaHarvey16]

It's so disgusting. They are not helping anyone.

[@parismadeleine]

Haha “90% of hormones are produced in your gut??” takes one google search to prove this is false😄

[@bib4eto656]

Hahahaha, those pesky gut hormones lol

[@klaytonalexandermatthews2047]

so if I have IBS does that mean too much gut hormones? lol

[@angbrit]

As a biologist hearing her say this hurt my soul 😂

[@LisaHarvey16]

100% agree.

[@westcoastweaver8403]

But I have so many hormones and such a big gut. There has to be correlation. There just has to be!

[@TeeKayKay]

Planet Fitness, a gym famous for giving out free pizza & bagels & cheap membership, isn't going to have a problem schilling an MLM for a little extra pocket change. As a proud Planet Fitness member, thank you for making us aware of this newest thing we should steer clear of at our halfway decent gym.

[@ritzee13]

Her talking about the vagus nerve was so funny to me as a biochem student, there are so many nerves that come out from the spinal cord and 12 come directly from the brain. The gut has neurons to control muscle contraction of the gut, it is not involved in any higher order activity such as decreasing depression or anxiety.

[@ritzee13]

Also autoimmune issues are NOT just gut issues, thats insane and immune cells are found absolutely everywhere in the body not just the gut.

[@protomoon]

I actually have to wonder if the girl with Southwestern Advantage had the cops called on her after knocking on a few doors (I know Kirby reps don't come to our area anymore because people kept calling the police on them). If she did, and they talked to her and saw exactly what she was doing, the post might've been a move to keep people from reporting her over and over again instead.

[@gabriellemorales8182]

I think it’s both a safety and sales strategy. I saw two posts from two separate counties in Oregon. Pretty much identical posts. And they were also foreigners. The reps were posting in the comments trying to schedule appointments. I chimed in, and they were trying to meet up with me. Nah. I’m disturbed that Southwestern is recruiting so many foreigners.

[@omreee686]

@@gabriellemorales8182 It's so gross. I imagine foreign students are especially easy to recruit because they are already away from home so it's less scary to move somewhere unfamiliar, they often need the money (their tuition can be more expensive and/or they may come from a less wealthy country), and there are cultural/language barriers that might prevent them from seeing the red flags. For instance someone from a more religious country may be more willing to live with random church people than a relatively secular american student who would think it sounds weird.

[@DamianKarver]

When I first talked about mental health decline (feeling... NOTHING. No happiness, no sadness, no stress or anxiety or motivation) the first thing my doctors did was run blood work to see if I had some kind of imbalance. They found I was severely deficient in vitamin D. So no, not all doctors immediately go to things like anti-depressants.

[@wrendavey]

Lmao “stop trying to sell to the nurses! THEY HAVE A JOB!” 😂😂

[@whitneyr.846]

I work in compliance in regulated products (my area is medical devices).. this is why regulations are IMPORTANT! It makes companies prove their products are safe before they are used by end customers. The regulations that were obviously skipped that were vital in this situation: Design controls Verification & validation Supplier quality & control Failure analysis These are just off the top of my head, and these are regulated for a reason!

[@rynthorn1551]

I work in neuroscience research and top fail #1 killed me dead. She skimmed the wikipedia entry for "brain" and really thinks she's doing something here.

[@cheeruppirate]

My hometown has a young man from Southwestern Advantage this summer and he had our police post a similar statement. He’s from an Eastern European country too and my heart dropped when my friend promoted him.

[@PhoenyxV]

My guess for fail #5 is that she contacted the police department (possibly at the instruction of her "boss"/upline) in an attempt to make the community aware so that she's not getting the police called on her for trespassing. Would also explain the phrasing for how to refuse her. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the method more of these door to door scams were starting to take, contacting police departments to prevent being escorted away by a homeowner who doesn't want to deal with a pushy sales person. And also getting a post on social media for them to put their name out there and make people already feel like they're familiar and trustworthy, etc.

[@Heather90]

Agreed because you know those community Facebook groups will be asking, “anyone get approached by the following sketchy person: proceeds with details on appearance and vehicle)?”

[@NiaNiaFoFia]

Same thing I was thinking

[@bagel_bitez1]

Nurses ask what that smell is because they don't want it to be anything that can hurt the patient

[@heatherframpton9693]

Planet Fitness, what are you doing?!? How disappointing! 😐

[@cgreen399]

I had a PF membership several years ago and I have to say, it’s easier to get out of the mob than it is to cancel a membership with PF. That gym makes it intentionally hard to cancel. So I was already turned off, so another reason to never going back.

[@quitti]

gyms like PF are super predatory and this doesnt seem out of line for them

[@timriehl1500]

@@cgreen399 Sounds exactly like my experience with Lucille Roberts

[@m0L3ify]

@@cgreen399 I'm glad it was easy for me to cancel years ago, then. It must have been...I dunno...2014 or so. All I had to do was give them a signed letter in person saying I wanted to cancel and they did it. It's sad to hear they're not as honorable now.

[@elordi2466]

Estonian here, a little about the Southwestern Advantage message concerning Estonian student: they have done this for years. I remember it was around already about 15 years ago, when I went to college. It was advertised as a cool summer job where you can go to USA, build independence and earn money. I think people here just don't know it's actually a MLM and I didn't know either, before I came across your channel :D Am shocked to see they are still trying it. Their webpage is even also in Estonian. Consists of incredible word salad and not a word about it being MLM as far as I can see. Of course, knowledge about MLM-s as such is much lower here as well so no wonder they still find victims from here. MLM stories make me disgusted in general, and there is just like an extra layer of evilness in the fact that you recruit people from another CONTINENT and basically leave them do manage on their own :/

[@jillianharrisdesigne]

The oil hun in the hospital. Oh my! My grandmother was in and out of the hospital this past April (she ended up passing). I could barely function and keep up with my friends let alone social media. I can't imagine trying to hustle my "business" during that difficult period.

[@annie_xo]

I’m a nurse and if a loved one of a patient of mine brought in a diffuser to run in the room she would be told off so quick. Absolutely not.

[@jules666.]

I was just diagnosed today with a collection of markers for an autoimmune disorder in my stomach lining. I’m constantly barfing stomach acid and have issues with my intestines. I have tried every medication under the sun. It’s very frustrating and I understand why people with these disorders resort to MLM schemes out of desparation. But it’s extremely frustrating to see a bunch of perfectly healthy people talking about “gut health” and “supplements” when people like me are in constant agony, on the toilet ten times a day, and have to leave work and lose income because they inhaled their own stomach acid and can’t breathe. It’s just SO aggravating and makes me beyond angry.

[@letsalltakeawalk6906]

a billboard costs about $500 a month. a big company putting up 1 for a short time is probably well worth it to them for all the free labor they get back

[@metalcatmom5891]

It is probably cheaper for them than any other actual way to show employee appreciation. Also, if my employer did that, the meltdown I would have would be epic!

[@violetm8110]

Billboards are definitely not $500 a month!! A quick search shows that the avg. billboard cost in San Antonio is ~$2600-3100 a month and ranges from $1,000-$6500 for four weeks depending on size and location. I also know that an organization I’m in paid roughly $10K for one in a different major Texas city in an intentionally “high volume” location.

[@morgansgametherapy]

I choked on my tea on the phase "autoimmune issues are gut issues". Autoimmune issues AFFECT the gut, certainly, but the other way around? I work in drug development, currently in a company specifically developing autoimmune disorder medication, and I would be out of a job if everyone's immune problems could be solved with some 'natural remedies'. Never mind that prescription meds are just the chemicals from the plants you drink. isolated to remove all the potentially negative and/or non-functional parts! 😆

[@maryeckel9682]

That last part!

[@draconicfeline6177]

And optimized too in the case of lab-synthesized, so that they work BETTER and MORE PREDICTABLY IIRC. Science isn't anti-nature, it's the enhancement and harnessing of nature for our benefit overall.

[@poeallen5014]

Mental health is one of the most complicated area of medicine. These mlms prey on less informed folk with oversimplication and fear mongering. Thank you for bringing attention to this Hannah! As someone who relies on medication to not fall into delusions, I think it is so dangerous to promote “holistic” treatments!’

[@deathbymischief9106]

Southwestern is definitely an MLM. I live in estonia and all of their attitude was MLMy. I went to an interview and they pressured me to invite 5 friends to the interview (I didn't). The reps come back brainwashed and attend yearly meetings etc. They get more income from people they recruited too.

[@Beehappy76637]

I can’t stand when they say I just wanted to “ pop” on or “hop” on real quick. It’s typically right in the middle of them doing something that they should not be on social media at the time. It makes me CRINGE!!!

[@maryeckel9682]

And then they blather for half an hour.

[@tldx50]

And stops to say hi to people….that’s so very annoying.

[@liftpanic]

Literally had to watch this one twice. Absolutely crazy stuff. That last one I couldn't even believe.

[@TicketToLearning]

Why would Planet Fitness do that!? A lot of times they encourage NO exercise at the beginning of the diet because the calorie deficit is so low. How would this be beneficial for them?

[@natashadaddese6854]

i love your videos hannah! I have learned so much in the past three days binging this series, and I feel so much more educated on all those ads I see on social media that are disguised as MLMs. now I know, and this is healing my inner teenage trauma of believing everything I saw on the internet

[@honeylis7]

I recently had a loved one in the hospital, and I cannot FATHOM speaking to the nurses about an MLM business, or any business for that matter. They are so busy, and their focus is on your LOVED ONE'S LIFE. Leave them alone!!

[@earthiswatching]

As someone who was in the hospital for a few weeks not too long ago, I am REALLY glad no one had a diffuser.

[@kateebiscuit]

Me listening to the Amare person: "no no, I want chemicals."

[@wilmaj3885]

I lived in Estonia for a while. Going to the US to sell books is a very common summer job there. I always found it weird and scammy.

[@d.awdreygore]

Your expression when you describe the Optivia "food" 🤣

[@aaziva]

Estonian here! Just wanted to mention that I have been pitched Southwestern Advantage twice in university and every time you tell them "no, sorry I cannot even afford tickets to go to US" they suggest taking out a student loan as a solution. while in the past the money earning potential could have been insane, with our low wages here, nowadays if you work the same hours as SA reps do i.e. as a waitress, you are likely earning a similar amount for the summer(many come back with a big loss actually). Insane people still go there 😅

[@liryns]

ah yes, the chemical-free "happy juice" that's supposed to cure my neurodivergence

[@dekishajones282]

Rn here::: I hate when the family members are diffusing non-essential oils in the room with a trach patient!! I have called back up when I was in a pulmonary unit!! Because the fumes were so loud and just going down the hall. I had to explain to the hun that she does not have a right to infringe on other patients, and the fumes were an irritant to my patient’s lungs were already compromised

[@NinjaFalllow]

Funny story from work today. My coworker was going over her drink mix concoction and in my head I start thinking "... this sounds like stuff from an mlm, i hope she's not getting stuff from an mlm" and then my coworker goes "And it's NOT from an mlm!"

[@AeriaGl0ris]

I think your coworker might be a mind reader 😜

[@heatherp5454]

On the southwest advantage one... Some towns require people to make the public aware that you are doing door to door sales (in a small town I lived in, you were required to contact the newspaper and they put something in the paper/online about it). My guess is the town required her to notify police to do door to door sales and this is how they approached it. An odd way to go about it, because it does sound like they are advertising for her. and yes, why did they give so much identifying information? That's begging some creep to follow her.

[@thismamatries9706]

It honestly shocks me that Optavia would partner with a gym because when I did the 5 and 1 plan years ago, I was highly encouraged NOT to work out.

[@girlfieri3156]

Her describing getting help for mental health as telling your doctor you’re anxious and depressed and getting a drug just goes to show that shes never tried to get help for her mental health lmaoooo

[@Hyenalowena]

Hahaha right? All other things aside like even being able to GET a diagnosis, the absolute HOOPS I have to jump through every single month to get my medication for ADHD because they are a controlled substance...yeah okay, sure, lady 😂 For those curious: I have to have an appointment with my doctor every single month to check in. She has to write a brand new prescription every month because you cannot refill a prescription for controlled substances. I cannot get more than one month's worth of meds at a time. When I go to pick them up at the pharmacy, I have to show ID which they take and go verify. If I want to use a different pharmacy, I have to contact my doctor and have them write another whole new prescription for the new pharmacy to use. Never mind that due to shortages in the last year or two I'm not necessarily guaranteed to GET my meds. Then rinse, repeat every single month for the rest of my life if I want to function "normally." Yaaay....

[@pebbleinboot]

"People are only just now beginning to talk about their mental healthhhhh!" when people HAVE been talking about their mental health for years and it's slowly been getting more and more socially acceptable to say out loud that you have depression and anxiety etc. She just hasn't noticed any of that before and even now only cares to notice to make profit off of it. There is a real stigma attached to mental illnesses so of course it's slow and awkward progress and a lot of people suffer without knowing what's going on, if she cared to do any research she'd realise it's not because we don't have pink dust to drink. Also, a bit ironic to fear-monger about Big Pharma making trillions when she wants to sell her disgusting drink powder and lies her ass off to make it sound at all appealing. Plus why is it always about gut health because when I have a bad anxiety attack my arms start hurting where is a natural chemical free holistic wellness ointment I can rub on them to make my muscle health go up?

[@partlycloudy7707]

As someone with actual mental health issues cause my brain can't make enough of the right chemicals, I want to punch this woman into next Wednesday. Shes so pretentious and predatory, straight up admitting that she just wants to make money off of people desperate enough to try anything to feel better. Shes the kind of person that sets public acceptance of mental health back 50 years.

[@draconicfeline6177]

Also "happy juice" is such a disgusting and patronizing word.

[@daraleigh6375]

Exactly. The mental health conversation began in the 90s with the intro of Prozac. It has been gaining volume over the years. What is occurring now is a conversation that has been growing for decades.

[@MonaLyssa33]

I didn't realize people only recently started talking about mental health when I and many people I know have been very open about their experiences with mental illnesses for decades.

[@i.am.gretchen]

Guess she never heard of Freud

[@aliciarowland3322]

I think another part of it is the fact that for a lot of people , when they first begin having struggles with mental health, it’s a lot to come to terms with needing meds and therapy and everything. And taking advantage of that feeling to sell your MLM bs to people is horrible.

[@LauraOn26]

It scared me Optavia and Planet Fitness are working together considering Optavia highly encourages you not to workout because you’re blood sugar will get so low due to the lack of food you’re eating on it.

[@jaymel4691]

I saw a similar post by a young man through a local police department, he was also a college student working for Southwestern Advantage. I think it's something they encourage the kids to do at the local town where they are sent to sell the books. Maybe to legitimize their "business"? I think some of these towns have rules against door to door sales and they are encouraged to contact the local police dept to make sure they are allowed to do this. So weird and dangerous.

[@TwoSistersAndSomeYarn]

When I say I RAN to watch this. I saw this yesterday and I was SO upset!! I hate what Optavia has done to my body and for them to do this partnership is insane!

[@m.s682]

What did it do to you?? 😢

[@TwoSistersAndSomeYarn]

@@m.s682 ruined my metabolism that I’m still rebuilding.

[@patriciamccool5243]

⁠ same. I am still working on my journey a year and a 1/2 out of the program. I am also struggling with comparing photos of me when I had lost 48 lbs and now when I have gained all but 20 lbs back. Lots of prayer is healing me.

[@TwoSistersAndSomeYarn]

@@patriciamccool5243 yes!! I lost 30 lbs but then gained it and 30 more back because my body was freaking out and starving!! It’s so terribly unhealthy

[@AdventurousSpirit171]

I did a program similar to Optavia & it messed me up so bad. Thankfully I quit 2 months in because I couldn’t afford it. But it was horrible too.

[@marycramer2650]

Our local police department in Ohio made a similar post for two women! How truly bizarre.

[@Trigger292]

I think the intent behind the police department’s post is so that people do know that she’s coming and people don’t freak out. If you’ve ever seen any of the neighborhood social media communities where people freak out because “OMG someone rang my doorbell, stood there, and then left”, I think it’s an attempt to combat that sort of alarm for the community. I feel like this post, while I agree with your concerns, is possibly more commonplace/less concerning in maybe smaller communities? Probably well intentioned.

[@MT-fk4ky]

Literally sitting at an outdoor market with my handmade products right next to a Scentsy tent. It’s disheartening the number of people who walk into her tent and buy things. Pretty sure she’s selling more than I am 🤨 So I’m keeping myself sane by binge listening anti mlm content on my earbuds during slow stretches 😂

[@ritzee13]

Atleast you know in your heart that you aren't scamming people, you are a better person.

[@angelamayer8733]

I was literally going to comment, "Isn't this the company that discouraged exercise?" What in the world. Makes me wonder if Planet Fitness has any idea what kind of company they are partnering with.

[@catlovesthemoon]

I found your channel because of a southwestern advantage rep going to my son’s house, her questions about his family and alllll his neighbors made us so suspicious I searched for them on KZbin and found you! That company is creepy and very shady and abusive to the reps.

[@raychul33]

Let’s get Hannah to 100k!! 🙌🙌

[@CaseyJewels]

I almost commented on the other video, but I'll do so here. I never was subscribed. I've just slowly watched more and more videos as they were recommended to me. I was never concerned about catching every single one, so I didn't bother subscribing. However, there's also no reason not to subscribe, so your bit in the last video was the push I needed. :) I love the way you present the horror stories, and it's just enjoyable to listen to your voice and your commentary. I also love Zeke. :P It is crazy, though, how much I've heard about KZbin unsubscribing real people. I haven't noticed it personally, but I'm also subscribed to more channels/people than I can keep up with.

[@Clairelaferret]

I agree with you, Hannah, about the importance of meditation when necessary. I’ve been on antidepressants for a decade now and they literally saved my life and more. However, I have a family member saying he doesn’t want his wife to be “doped up” on antidepressants when she’s clearly struggling. He has this idea that the meds would strip her personality and turn her into a grinning statue. And unfortunately, I don’t think that fear is uncommon, and Amere preys on that.

[@nikkilovesbooks27]

We have a Southwestern Advantage distributor in our city for the summer. He had a part VERY SIMILAR to this post. The city I live in is #1 for violent crime in ALL OF CANADA, and I can not explain how incredibly dangerous it is for the guy here to be going door to door in my city. It's so scary.

[@metalcatmom5891]

I'm going to guess that the police dept made the post so people would stop calling them about a "suspicious foreigner" going to people's doors and borderline harassing them.

[@dnd1007]

The first girl...it's the voice for me. Yikers. And Hannah, your double take at 5:50 had me laughing!!!

[@JardiHardi]

About the company billboard thing. I work for my local board of education and we have a teacher of the year and service personnel of the year award and the county does put the winners on a couple billboards with pictures and names!

[@marykait413]

Most hospitals would absolutely NOT want you to be diffusing strong oils in the room. Staff aren’t even supposed to wear perfume because you never know what can trigger a reaction to patients around you

[@ZipperedBelle]

I hope the community went off in the comments about the safety issues of this police Facebook post. I know my local community would on our police department's page. Crazy.

[@CalvioCoding]

They always just want to “let you know” 😂😂

[@TheHitsubasa]

I just wanna say that I really enjoy your voice in these videos. Not to be rude towards other content creators but some have a really annoying and shrill voice and way of speaking that I can’t stand and act way over the top and ridiculous. Your videos are calm and easy to follow and I really enjoy that.

[@CarrineHill]

Is this a new way Southwestern Advantage is advertising themselves?? I saw this same exact post by my local police department almost word for word but with a different SA representative. Weird.

[@katrinaosorio2134]

You’re the best Hannah, you deserve all the success and I know you’re gunna hit 100k soon! You’re SOO close!

[@thecatandrabbit6988]

I have a friend who hosted a group of these students from other countries for dinner. She shared a post about them and was asking others to open their doors to them as well. She had no clue it was an MLM. I too feel so heartbroken for these kids!

[@marinelaortiz3202]

I clicked on this video because of the planet fitness thing and now hearing it, if me and my fiancé are going back to them I am making sure that we’re not going to be tricked into joining that MLM. I saw your videos about Octavia, especially the teeth test one and I do not want to go through that. I went through the Slim fast diet back in my 10 years and did not like that since I was drinking nothing but the calories or what I thought were calories, but not doing this one! I mean back in my teen years.

[@SixFortySeven]

Hey Hannah! I know billboards in general are not common everywhere. A lot of sales based non MLM businesses in my area showcase employee photos, full names, and accomplishments. Examples I have seen in my area are car sales and real estate. At least in my area, it's completely normal!

[@nikkisaturno.]

“If you’re not interested, just let her know and she’ll move on” Outside of the obvious concern for that woman’s safety and why the hell the police would put her info out, if someone shows up at my door I have NO obligation to even acknowledge them. Lol

[@Dawn-c4v]

I don’t even answer my door unless it’s someone I know. Most people have doorbell cameras. Door to door sales is probably the least effective form of cold selling.

[@Cascadeis]

I think it might be a post to help keep her safe - considering a somewhat common reaction to strangers seems to be guns…