Happily Ever After: The Wasted Potential of Frozen 2

Let's talk Walt Disney Animation, The 2020 Oscars and the Frozen 2 "snub"! Frozen II is the follow up movie to the wildly successful 2013 Frozen. It is directed by Chris Buck and Jennifer Lee. With a voice cast of Kristen Bell and Anna, Idina Menzel as Elsa, Josh Gad as Olaf and Jonathan Groff as Kristoff. Many different tropes discussed - praise for how the first Frozen subverted those tropes and a little disappointment in how Frozen 2 didn't commit to subversion as well. However despite the title, the video isn't all negative!
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[@TropeAnatomy]

❄️What trope should I cover next? Thinking Love Triangle. And apologies for 15:38 😬 no idea what happened there EDITt: I cut out that part, didn't know it was so loud! (might take a second to process). The line I said was "They saved each other, no one died, but also the reality they couldn’t accept as kids turned out to be true. They were never going to be best friends forever."

[@TheMikster95]

Maybe non linear storytelling? That's hard to get right... Or incorporating flashbacks properly

[@swansonjoe7121]

7:55 BullSHIT it was done "really well". Twist villains are such a shitty trope nowadays, and movies treat it as a big surprise but they give no clues to let us figure it out. They're just cheap.

[@zephyrcore]

Yes! Love triangle. I would love to see your take on it.

[@sj3576]

Could you talk Intellectual Property and all the remakes/sequels?

[@Twintelep97]

The fish out of water trope? I feel like there are some recent good/bad examples of that being executed

[@ElectronicStar24]

Arendelle being destroyed actually almost happened. They already had a concept art ready where the castle's being rebuild Northuldra AND Arendelle style. Don't know why they didn't use it, but tbh I would've been okay with both endings.

[@makothetako]

I think because they're making an Arendelle section for some of their theme parks and they didn't want to ruin kids' belief they're in Arendelle when they visit?

[@Rtotalmagic]

That would be interesting. Apparently, the team started with the ending (Anna rules Arendelle, Elsa is in charge of the Northuldra kingdom) and worked backwards. Would destroying the castle be consistent with this ending? Yes. But Elsa should have been allowed to use her powers at the end, and it was the Nokk's decision to allow her to do this...

[@JozantoSA]

I was a little disappointed with the ending at first as well because I really really liked the movie as a whole. But I think everyone tends to forget that Elsa was literally riding on the Water Spirit. The one that stopped the flow of Arendelle's waterfall. That's actually the one reason I'm justifying the ending for the movie

[@sky3fall866]

I would’ve loved the arendelle was destroyed ending much better. Just seems more real. Dam goes down, good news. But cause and effect, bam boom bop, flood comes and destroys the city. Gives a much more “new dawn” type of feel and much more impact to Anna’s decision.

[@marilync.7719]

ElectronicStar24 YESs you get meeee I was like they should have destroyed arendelle so they can build it with rocks and nature

[@flatfacedcat]

Yes, this moment exactly. I was engaged with the film until the moment the kingdom was effortlessly saved in a few seconds. My engagement was immediately broken and my brain screamed, “WHAT!!!”

[@AnyDrug]

Dito. For flooding an empty city would mostly have been a symbolic sacrifice to begin with. Since I still love the movie, I'm gonna pretend that scene did not happen from now on. ^^

[@samwisniewski2446]

I disagree that gave me goosebumps bc Elsa shows how strong she is stoping a big wave and arendelle didn’t deserve to be destroyed Anna thought it was just right bc she had to free the forest

[@smurfette_blues7922]

Yep. Such a huge catastrophic event was too easily avoided.

[@wienzard93]

I agree. even if they want to save Arendelle and show Elsa's power they can just flood the castle. from the looks of it, the castle were clearly closer towards where the water came from. if I have to change the ending it would be; Elsa was late to save Arendelle. the castle would be destroyed, the edge of the village too but the higher land with houses would still be saved. Kristoff would not be married or even engaged to Anna because he'd be too busy re-building the kingdom with Anna. this could also served as a means to show that he's capable of being a leader beside Anna. not just to be the trophy husband. at the end Elsa would still be able to revive Olaf and visit the restoration. it's still a happy ending but WITH consequences and price Arendelle had to pay for their past mistakes.

[@s.a.8548]

@@wienzard93 I live this version WAY better.

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

_"The whole world is a series of miracles, but we're used to them we call them ordinary things."_ *~ Hans Christian Andersen (Snow Queen)*

[@martinmoore2468]

True.

[@aaliyaheverett2601]

Pure truth

[@Ratigan2]

why is he a snow queen?

[@Ratigan2]

@Johanna oh, thanks :p

[@TheFuschiaDragonfly]

In these corona times, this quote hits harder than ever.

[@logantaylor208]

I agree that the ending of Frozen 2 was too happy. It would have been far more powerful to see the reactions of the Arendelle people losing their homes (like you said), then following this with the people coming together to rebuild it. I can easily envision that as the final number in the film too, expressing the great loss, but with hope for the future. They could have rearranged the events as well, with Arendelle being lost tragically, then Elsa and Olaf being revealed as alive afterwards, showing ~what matters most~, and even in a time of great loss, they have each other and their community to make it through (suddenly I am reminded of "When We're Together" from Olaf's Frozen Adventure). Such a missed opportunity.

[@PoxyBear]

Who cares what you think MALE! You are NOT the target market!

[@chrisredfield731]

It's a kids movie

[@amirulasyraf1409]

it's made for a kids.

[@dogueraevian6001]

Oh man, I agree with you wholeheartedly there. In fact, I was full on expecting it. Disney has been following the theme of losing something important, but still endeavouring to build a brighter future, for many of its movies. So my surprise/disappointment with the easy save for Arendelle was pretty strong.

[@dragongirl7978]

This. This exactly. Couldn't have said it better.

[@jbmkids9035]

I went out of the cinema thinking "Arendelle should have been crashed". On further introspection, I think Elsa should not have saved Arendelle. If the spirits came together and said "these people aren't the ones to blame and we'll save them", that would have been fine. Elsa basically teleporting first to Arendelle and then to Anna is just too much for me.

[@roiitzkovich4545]

But they did just that. Elsa even said "The spirits decided to give Arendelle a second chance". That's also why she was unfreezed, because the spirits and Ahtohallan (Elsa's source of magic) decided "Hey, these guys aren't responsible for what their pre-former king has done, maybe we should forgive them". What you just said IS in the movie.

[@jemocaya8898]

@@roiitzkovich4545 Perhaps maybe the depiction of whoever these gods are agreeing to this rather than conveniently having Avatar Elsa fix everything would have been nice

[@roiitzkovich4545]

@@jemocaya8898 But they agreed to this and therefore she, thanks to Ahtohallan, was unfreezed. Don't forget she wouldn't have managed to return to Arendelle without the water spirit.

[@jemocaya8898]

@@roiitzkovich4545 When do they agree to this? Who do you mean 'they' are who agree to this? I don't exactly remember a scene like that except for Elsa just conveniently explaining it at the end. I personally think it would've been cool if those animals and giants were not the actual spirits and Elsa had to face them before they agree to forgive Arendelle.

[@roiitzkovich4545]

@@jemocaya8898 1. There's a small scene after the dam is destroyed where the spirits notice the act and call for a second chance for Arendelle. Ahtohallan hears the call and unfreezes Elsa. 2. I don't understand how the animals and the giants not being the spirits would've made it better. Elsa faced the spirits throughout the movie (except the giants, which Anna faced). It made the world-building very interesting and paced the story better rather than doing a Kingdom Hearts 3 act and throwing all the important fights at you at once at the end.

[@bluepinata]

I used to disagree that the Hans twist was pulled off well, but then I met more narcissists. Now I think his twist was hella accurate

[@Embrinna]

Met more narcissit?

[@nicholegz8631]

Right? I'm more confused to people saying Hans twist was done bad when I met a lot of people who acted this way. I swear you wont be able to see through their facade because these kind of people can act so well. But then again, they act so well, people dont even know when they meet them.

[@Rtotalmagic]

@@nicholegz8631 I feel my issue with Hans is not the concept (Which is fascinating) but the execution...

[@renyel1779]

Hans would've been a better character if he wasn't a plot twist villain because he didn't really seem to have any kind of schemes against Anna or Elsa. In fact, Hans was just a good guy because he helped the people of Arendel to get through the cold winter that Elsa made (accidentally) in the first movie. And besides, there is a more obvious villain (Mr. Wessleton) and it could solidify the story more if he was one or something. It could change the movie's direction a whole lot just with those small details being thought out more. But yeah, those are just my thoughts, hope you guys don't mind reading this much of a comment lol. I just really love Frozen and Frozen II for what they can become.

[@sophiajune546]

Yeah I never understood how people disliked that scene. I gasped at the twist, then hurt at memories of own betrayal, some that were just as cruel.

[@greenergrass4060]

I kinda Wish Elsa did physically die but ascended as the omnipresent 5th spirit. And thats the reason she can no longer be with Anna . Not because Honeymaren just suggested she should stay in the forest

[@berrytrash4175]

I thought the same too! What's the difference between the Northuldra and Arrandelle tho? Nothing to me. The 2 kingdoms should unite to one to fix their terrible relationship from the past and then Elsa should turn into a real 5th spirit (maybe turn her into a mist or something a friendly ghost figure thingy)

[@greenergrass4060]

@@berrytrash4175 maybe one amongst the Aurora Borealis. (similar to mufasa in the sky)

[@swiftlylovestruck]

that would be too sad imo. for kids at least cause they wouldn't fathom WHY she couldn't be with her sister, it would still seem like death to them. it's dark. plus elsa has been trapped her whole life she DESERVES to live freely and in her human form like a normal person.

[@JinxSanity]

No, that idea seems to be made by the Jelsa fanatics who want to find any loophole to somehow make Elsa be shipped with Jack Frost. Plus I doubt Disney would want to straight up kill off a major character that's having toys and stuff be sold to kids, I do want a more challenging change to Elsa but just killing her off sounds weak and desperate.

[@greenergrass4060]

@@JinxSanity hey juan, just want to make it clear that i dont ship Jelsa ✨ Here's another proposal, Elsa turns evil? (but then again, kids seeing their role model turn evil is kinda bummer)

[@JoshuaFagan]

Honestly, considering how much this film (strangely) takes from Thor: Ragnarok (the colonialism plotline, the mix of darkness and very silly jokes), it should have taken that film's ending too. Imagine Anna leading the people away from the ruins of Arendelle and saying something like, "Arendelle is a people, not just a place." That would have worked so much better.

[@MarinaAndTheDevil]

So you just want it to copy Thor completely? Is this sarcasm or am I missing something lol

[@s.a.8548]

@@MarinaAndTheDevil You think thor is the only piece of fiction that did this? Lol even NARUTO had this as a subplot. Cities getting destroyed than rebuilt or abandoned is not a unique trope.

[@Disneyfan82]

Just like when Hiccup said to the Vikings "We are Burk" when they had to leave their old home behind for the dragons' welfare.

[@monabohamad2242]

@@Disneyfan82 didn't they literally return to berk afterwards

[@Disneyfan82]

@@monabohamad2242 I don't think so.

[@erinbailey7940]

When you talked about crappy Disney straight-to-video sequels, I specifically noted, “yes, the man of taste doesn’t include Lion King 2” and I’m glad I feel validated. Simba’s Pride is a great movie and no one could tell me otherwise

[@ashiraecho2039]

Honestly I feel like that was the plan but got changes. With all the "our flag will always fly, things will never change, and Arendelle is a people not a place" talk in the beginning. It all seems like arendelle was supposed to fall. But they changed it because the town is too iconic of a location at this point that they didn't want to change it. It definitely would have been better to have the kingdom go down. And not rebuild it all in one scene but leave it gone till the next movie.

[@Rtotalmagic]

Jennifer Lee and co. are taking things one movie at a time, so a blatant sequel hook would have been a bad idea...". It's also worth noting that "Some Things Never Change" was the last song added to the film, replacing a song for Anna called "Home"...

[@Kyoko1411]

I have the artbook and it's even in there that the kingdom was originally planned to be destroyed

[@schris3]

I really like the revamped character design of Elsa and Anna, although Elsa was quite beautiful in the first movie, here she's drop dead gorgeous, and it seems the animators decided to age her up a little bit to reflect her newfound maturity, and I think it looks good on her because I always thought she looked too baby faced.

[@thomaszloi9444]

What are you talking about they made her new look to have more toys and more children to buy it It's superficial at it most

[@Artbug]

I agree. Another reason why i think this movie deserved the nomination over toy story

[@legrandliseurtri7495]

They faces still look like babies..

[@Moakmeister]

Eternal Snow no it didnt dude.

[@river_g]

Tiyo Mizuhara I mean,,,,,it would be stupid to keep the same outfit for a movie that takes place years later

[@indigo714]

Frozen is one of those movies where there is creativity there and is not a formulaic movie regularly pump out by studio executives for money , but it also very messy where you could see there being potential that it doesn't quite reach

[@beakiddo9532]

Exactly

[@Rtotalmagic]

I feel this way about both movies., especailly the second one. The first Frozen benefitted from a fairly simple "Journey and return" narrative, but the second one had a far more complicated story, which ended up being a weakness. I really want Jennifer Lee to succeed as Disney CCO, but she needs some more discipline in order to do so...

[@thestonemasyn6932]

You do realize from 2 is the highest grossing animated movie ever

[@catcactus1234]

Queen of Chaos Just because a movie makes a ton of money doesn’t mean it’s perfect. Money = hype and popularity, not quality.

[@thestonemasyn6932]

@@catcactus1234 they legit say in almost every interview that when they make the film they arent making it to make a buck. We had questions and they had questions AMD they genuinely wanted to expand their world

[@colinmcd94]

I like how you put the clip of Anna slashing the sword right when you said "what could have been" - can't believe they cut that out 😢

[@allurajane4979]

Dude I was sO disappointed when it didn't end up being in the movie

[@aniastassya5726]

I think Disney didn't want to animate the kingdom being destroyed 😂 just wanted to finish the movie. It would've been a LOT of work.

[@inkchip7351]

Im not antagonizing you, I'm a 3D animator and I can assure you cell fracture on rigid bodies (non moving objects in a scene ie buildings) doesn't take that long to do, as long as you get the physics and volumetrics right as well as the fluidism, collision and dynamic paint right, Disney has a Hyperion renderer it would have taken them two weeks tops.

[@aniastassya5726]

@@inkchip7351 oh, wow :o such an iteresting info! I'm not animator, but thought maybe could be for the water animation destroying the castle that'd be so much effort. Is it?

[@aniastassya5726]

@Winifred Eghrudje OMG! Who would've thought? 😂

[@inkchip7351]

@@aniastassya5726 hmm... A tidal wave could prove tricky yes... But it still boils down to bullet physics fast moving object hits surface, breaks surface, but on a larger scale

[@Coffee_Fox]

Honestly a too happy ending story given they kinda advertised it as a "more darker" story compared to the first

[@wienzard93]

I agree with this argument and honestly, a small tweak would make a perfect ending. for example if I have to change the ending it would be this; Elsa was late to save Arendelle. the castle would be destroyed (since it's clearly sticking out of the bay), the edge of the village too but the higher land with houses would still be saved. Kristoff would not be married or even engaged to Anna because he'd be too busy re-building the kingdom with Anna. this could also served as a means to show that he's capable of being a leader beside Anna and grow his character a bit. not just to be the trophy husband. to be honest with you, I'm annoyed that throughout the movie everyone get their characters developed but him. it has been irritating me. at the end Elsa would still be able to revive Olaf and visit the restoration. it's still a happy ending but WITH consequences and price Arendelle had to pay for their past mistakes.

[@Angie-ji7be]

I truly don't understand why they didn't go through with Arendelle being destroyed. There should have been consequences for Arendelle's history, so the ending felt pretty anticlimactic to me

[@naomiwolfrunner9809]

As for Kristoff he felt like a third wheel to me through out the entire movie.

[@uzmam2612]

Well, Arendelle shouldn’t have to pay for a mistake the royal family’s grandfather made. I think what the sisters did for both the enchanted forest and Arendelle should suffice. Destroying the village would just be unneeded (if they’ll just repair what’s lost) and an unnecessary stretch of movie time. We don’t really ever focus on the townspeople’s lives but the sisters always did what’s best for everyone. The palace is all they have left of their parents and is their childhood home. It would be awful if Elsa couldn’t make it in time to save it. It’d especially be bad for Elsa’s character if her powers were a burden to her her whole life and yet it couldn’t save the town.

[@aperson2697]

@@uzmam2612 yeah I agree

[@ollie2111]

Omg yes, maybe the perfect middle-end for the Kristoff arc would have been him realizing that he should wait for a better time in their relationship and that the most important thing rather than the marriage was that they had each other and got to spend time together rebuilding the town. That would also make their scenes actually have a legitimate purpose in the movie, rather than just be annoying joke material. Dammit I dont write fanfics but I really want to write the version of Frozen II that I wish existed.

[@rellikai945]

I sort of both agree and disagree with your ultimate thesis. I do believe that Arrendele being destroyed would have been significantly more impactful and would have delivered on the setup of Anna making the decision to destroy the dam. I think they probably did intend for this to be a possibility, considering the cut song "Our Home", which was all about Anna wondering what she could do for the place she lives in, and the foreshadowing set up in "Some Things Never Change" with Elsa saying "I promise you the flag of Arrendele will always fly". However, I also do think that making the act of reparations be a zero sum game would have been a mistake. The sins of the past can never be washed away, and having an eye for an eye mentality about such things is destructive. Innocent people's homes being destroyed will not have erased the decades the Northuldra spent trapped inside of the forest or the fact that their leader was wrongfully murdered. It wouldn't be justice, it wouldn't be healing, it would just be revenge. I definitely feel that Arrendele should be expected to do SOMETHING to make amends, and perhaps that could be explored in a future sequel, but to say that suffering and misfortune must befall people who had nothing to do with a wrong that was committed in the past, and to make that a moral of a children's movie, I don't feel would have served a constructive and progressive purpose. Finally, I do believe that the movie does have bittersweet ending, at least partially, and it's more related to the ultimate emotional core of the films. Anna and Elsa are now separated. Not permanently, and not on bad terms, but they ARE no longer together. To me, who also was a huge fan of the first movie, I feel that separating the two of them to any degree is in fact a really gutsy move, and probably as gutsy as the studio would allow the filmmakers to be with the sequel to their highest grossing animated film. Anna and Elsa's relationship was the emotional core of the first movie, having them be together was the entire conflict. Now the sequel has them separate again, though willingly. I find that to be pretty bittersweet and emotionally mature as well, that distance and diverging life paths does not mean that you aren't important to each other. To me, that's what the filmmakers ultimately put all their chips on, and I think it was the more important priority. This comment is ridiculously long. If you actually read all the way to this point, then props to you sir. I did like your video and I agree with practically all of your opinions and views! I just think that prioritizing a vengeful notion of reparations would ultimately have not been in the movie's service, and that they ultimately gave more attention to what was more important to the film as a whole and the adjacent franchise. Great job! Also your video was how I found out that the movie wasn't even nominated so lol.

[@seunosewa]

There's little or no bitterness in their 'separation'. The writers helpful created a magic instant email service to ensure that they would be always in touch. Also, Elsa got to Arrendale from the furthest part of their world within minutes, meaning that they can meet each other whenever they wish. There's no bitterness.

[@snakesonaframe2668]

This is what I was trying to say in my comment, you're better at putting it in words lol

[@Platina_]

Exactly. You perfectly summarized how I felt about this video.

[@user-kl3jw6to8g]

Came looking for this exact comment.

[@sugaryheaven4089]

The writers originally planned for Elsa to stay dead

[@nadyanathania3847]

i was hoping for "arendale isn't the place, it's the people" so that was about right

[@DH-oq9sz]

I really like Frozen (1&2), and i'm a Elsa fanboy, but Klaus deserves the Oscar this year

[@nispelsm]

I must admit, Klaus was a very good movie. I watched it simply because it was a kid-friendly holiday movie, but I was pleasantly surprised at how well done it was.

[@makeke02]

Klaus gang all the way

[@novusstudios1744]

Yep Klaus gang

[@ChasehaWing]

Klaus was not JUST very well written, but its animation style is so unique and powerful, that it has the chance to revive 2D hand drawn animation. ITS GOING TO BE A GAME CHANGER MAN. GAME CHANGER. THANK YOU JAMES BAXTER

[@reikun86]

Klaus was beautiful. I’m so happy it gained recognition.

[@Evynight]

its just like the second movie never happened. shure, elsa is in the forest and anna is queen, but elsa could have made this decinion anyways. so, everybody lives happy, anna and christoff are together, olaf is alife. nobodys dead and no one really changed (elsa learns to stay true to her powers, just like in the first movie). In the first one everybody and everything changed so much, and in the second, where the theme IS change, its just, meh

[@veggiet2009]

Agreed, I think the biggest change comes to the forest, but since it's only introduced in this film and it's treated a purely mystery for a 1/3 of it, and just mysterious for like another 1/3, It has no development as an entity... If the movie was supposed to be about saving the forest, more needed to be invested in telling the story of the forest, more than just flashback introduction scene.

[@jemocaya8898]

I'd argue that Anna has actually changed in the sense that she was able to demonstrate a lil bit of independence as she was able to take action with destroying the dam despite percieving that she may have just lost her loved ones. Otherwise, I agree that while Kristoff's music video was funny, it did not really explore his character and Elsa kind of has the same character arc as in the first movie.

[@Anne-wf1vo]

@@jemocaya8898 The problem with Elsa is that she doesn't really have a personality. She's just her dress, her hair, her magic and anxiety, and her song;

[@picardtseng]

​@@jemocaya8898 Anna is definitely the best part of Frozen2, she has the most solid descriptions about her characteristics, emotions and growing , which were much valuable than Elsa's magic/dresses/heroic actions. As to Kristoff, I feel this character was betrayed and almost abandon in Frozen2, I am really sick about this (Kristoff was much more significant in the first one). His present is just for selling the 80's ballad and sorting out his relation with Anna -- in a sloppy process or anything because they don't care; he was seldom fit in the main story line in Frozen2, and Anna actually didn't need his help and support to get all works done.

[@monabohamad2242]

@@Anne-wf1vo okay then what about the others did they also not really have a personality as well?:(this isn't exactly a rhetorical question)and lastly I just HATE it when people bring the annoyance that is Elsa not having a personality

[@rsfilmdiscussionchannel4168]

Frozen II could have been one of the best animated sequels. But the creative team settled for adequacy, which is something that no artist should do.

[@moonstoneblues8512]

"I'm not asking for a full Rewrite." Me, using this video as research for my rewriting frozen 2 project.: And I oop-

[@TropeAnatomy]

Haha good luck with your project!

[@PabloTheGreat1]

1000% agreed. Frozen 2 to me seemed like an easy cash grab, which is disappointing because I loved the first movie.

[@sylviamuennich6785]

I agree, I think it would’ve given them an opportunity to reprise “Some things never change” but with a different meaning where the audience could see everyone coming together to remedy the tragedy

[@Inako49]

This! Especially since the movie keeps on bringing up "change". After Elsa abandoned Anna and Olaf, Olaf is upset and says that everything has kept on changing even though Anna said it wouldn't. Later, after Anna has lost both Olaf and Elsa, her song's emotional peak is the camera rotation and her turmoil when she cries out that "it's clear that everything will never be the same again". The movie would have been much more solid if it stuck to its guns and really gave a huge impactful change to the character's lives, since it had been preparing the audience for it the entire movie. Now the only change to status quo is that Anna and Elsa both got promotions??

[@definitelynotapervert5602]

Don't you dare talk smack about Cinderella 3 and Bambi 2. Those were really good. 🙁

[@bazzxliner]

I expected the wave to flood Arendelle and then all of the villagers would live in the forest and be one with the nature spirits to make up for the evil King's doings didn't expect the kingdom to be saved like that

[@martaszu1372]

Brave was initially about mother and daughter bond, but during the film they removed the original story artist/director from it and that's why the story went flat generic from up there. It was still a time where creating stories about women's relationships in animation wasn't a popular idea (was male-dominated industry). Hopefully, that changed. I know it may sound harsh from me but I don't really look for any conspiracy or ill will up there - but simetimes its hard for man to understand the nuances. In 80's there weren't even any diviision for girl toys- and male bosses were puzzled that girls want to play with something else than dolls and kicthen utensils. (see Netflix : my little pony the toy r us series). As for Hans he probably wasn't the intended villain- there was no forthshadowing-which is a method used in 99% of movies. he really didn't have any gestures that would suggest otherwise. Probably it was a desicion on a go, cause the "no villain" movie was too scary for the producers I guess .

[@sophiisherman7463]

What really made me upset is that there was literally no character development. Elsa never acknowledged how terrible she was being to Anna, Anna never acknowledged how terrible she was being to kristoff and it literally ended with everything the way it was when the movie started. I’m like I’m pretty sure elsa didn’t even apologize for running off and leaving Anna behind and was just like “ah you’ll always save me Anna no consequences here” it was so annoying

[@wannasalad]

Kristoff never apologized either and he's just a whiny needy guy the whole movie. Anna should have dumped him

[@haihai9022]

Not to mention that everyone but Elsa, her grandfather and the person that the grandfather murdered were the only characters that influenced the story. Everyone else felt like an awkward side character that did basically nothing. Hell, Kristoff and the tribe people aren't even in half of the movie!

[@1992disney]

You can say the exact same things about them in the original.

[@roiitzkovich4545]

1. Elsa was not terrible for Anna. She left her and Olaf because The Dark Sea has large waves and the water spirits Nøkk, which are too dangerous for them. Imagine if Anna and Olaf did come with her... they would've died easily. She had no reason to apologise for something that had to be done for her safety. 2. Anna did apologise to Kristoff for leaving him behind. She said "I'm sorry I left you behind, I was just so desperate to protect Elsa" and he forgave her by saying "It's OK, my love is not fragile".

[@sophiisherman7463]

Roi Itzkovich 1. Anna tbh has abandonment issues from Elsa and her parents. And the entire first movie was about Elsa learning she couldn’t do it by herself, she needed to stick with her team. And than after she PROMISED Anna she would stay with her, she left with no explanation. Just like she did in the first movie and Anna had to save her again. Time and time again Anna is sacrificing herself and her happiness for Elsa and Elsa literally never acknowledges it. Also yes, she may have “apologized” but it just felt like cheap character writing. But than again I posted this comment ages ago and haven’t seen the movie in months this is just what I remember thinking about it

[@danidkg4071]

tbh i don't even love frozen THAT much (lilo and stitch did the whole "sisterly love" thing better imo) but it doesn't deserve so much hate. it's just a fun disney movie.

[@nuyataylor4885]

It’s a “just a fun Disney movie” until people start analyzing it and trying to shape it into their own. I know adults can appreciate children’s animating but it’s a fucking children’s movie.

[@emmaburton2810]

@@nuyataylor4885 Just because it's a 'kids movie' doesn't mean it should get a free pass when it comes to criticism. It's not exempt just because it's targeted mainly towards children. Children deserve quality too. Kid's movies are still movies, still works of art etc, so like everything they're going to get reviewed, criticized and analysed too. Saying 'it's a kids movie' makes it sound like an excuse and gives a poor justification to the movies obvious flaws. Kids movies shouldn't have to be defined this way - like I said kids deserve quality too. In saying that when these movies are criticized/reviewed and analysed, it is done in the context of the audience they are aimed at. But a story is still a story no matter who it's aimed at and all usually contain the same structure, so when some call out it's narrative flaws they are (in my opinion) justified for the aforementioned reason. It's target audience doesn't matter - a flawed children's story is still a flawed story/ a story that could've been better narratively.

[@mizumafusotrue]

...I thought Cinderella 3 was an amazing movie.

[@xmythical50x90]

The storyline was just weird and everything felt rushed

[@BenLaurence]

But if arendelle was washed away at the end then they could build theme park attractions based around it or sell playsets 🤔 Disney movies nowadays can’t have consequences because it’s too edgy and it will result in a loss of merchandise sales

[@razrv3lc]

Destroying Arendelle was not a smart move. An eye for an eye is never right, especially when the people that caused the problems aren’t the ones that would’ve been punished. Sins of the father are not the children’s responsibility to bear.

[@river_g]

Someone’s been studying Hammurabi’s Code 😉 I’ve been learning in school

[@monabohamad2242]

Thank you

[@javiercastaneda2555]

“Arendelle is not a place, it’s the people”

[@MinoDragonfly]

I think you overlooked something before uploading this - 15:37 was a bit sudden!

[@TropeAnatomy]

Oh shit ahaha completely missed that

[@AryaBeltaine]

it was midnight for me and it was on quiet volume, completely jumped out of my skin ahaha

[@TropeAnatomy]

@@AryaBeltaine omg even after it was pointed out I didn't know it was so loud because I listened on mute. Thought it was just the visual. Decided to just cut it out in editor

[@MinoDragonfly]

@@AryaBeltaine oh no XD

[@ene4731]

As someone who wants to work in the animation and loves Frozen, I'm very glad Frozen 2 didn't get a nomination. It didn't deserve it. It felt like so much missed potential. Just because the movie had pretty textures, good music, and improved animation, doesn't mean it needs an Oscar.

[@muticere]

I still love Frozen, I try not to let the "backlash" or overexposure get to me. I liked Frozen 2 as a sort of celebration of all things Frozen, it was so indulgent and over the top. But that indulgence is part of what made it not as good as the first film. They paid more attention to making sure every character got to have their place and do something fun and not enough to the overall plot and story structure, which just wasn't working. Still, I'll keep it as a guilty pleasure, it is still an enjoyable film.

[@Hopefulwatermelon]

How bittersweet would it have been if when they reanimated Olaf he looked up at them, smiled and said "Hi, I'm Olaf. I like warm hugs! And you are?" Like the old Olaf is gone forever and the new Olaf has the personality and the heart but none of the memories.

[@emmabrook9691]

“[Hans being a villian] was pulled off really well.” Ummm.... not really? His plot makes no sense, there were multiple times when he goes out of his way to save Elsa and marrying Anna wouldn’t make him king of Arendelle. He’d always be a prince in Anna’s shadow and if he killed Anna the crown would be passed to the next blood relative

[@dumdumm3299]

Emma Brook haha glad i wasn’t the only one who disagreed with that! this is a fantastic analysis but that assertion threw me off. Hans’ arc was a mess and the movie honestly could’ve been done totally fine without it!

[@doodoojohnson3526]

i dont think there were any other blood relatives though

[@emmabrook9691]

Doodoo Johnson it still wouldn’t go to Hans. If his family were next in line after Anna it would go to one of his brothers. Edit: also if they were next in line that would make Anna and Hans cousins or something sooooo

[@doodoojohnson3526]

@@emmabrook9691 i thought hans and his brothers ruled over a different kingdom? idk

[@frozenepsilon5295]

i think the shock of losing both on the princesses would open arendale up to a takeover.

[@ItachiNiiChanNO]

I didn't realise til watching this video, but this was the feeling I got from the ending. I was watching Anna sacrifice her kingdom. So noble. And then just have it undone by magic. When I saw the water make its way towards Arendelle I felt a rush, of excitement and dread. And when Elsa stopped it, I first felt relieved, but then disappointed.

[@averymartin1327]

All the bright white in frozen2 burned my eyes. Was like wathing a colgate commercial.

[@kaitlynb5467]

If frozen 2 just added ppl like Elsa with magic and it would be better bc the element things suck Edit: my problem with the element things is that ice being the fifth element and to connect them, like WTF? Isn’t ice and the water just same?

[@Rtotalmagic]

Yes and no. The elementals reminded me a bit of the four gods in the Little Mermaid-inspired musical 'Once On This Island'. Those characters are fully developed individuals, and we get to see them interacting with the protagonist Ti Moune. Like the elementals, they also use their magic to ensure that the story has an upbeat ending, but their change of heart feels organic and thus easier to accept...

[@n.8316]

@@Rtotalmagic that's my favourite musicals

[@aisha9079]

Avatar The Last Airbender did elements right. If she can bend ice she should be able to bend water. She can be the 2nd water spirit, like how there are like 3 earth ones. The water spirits; the horse and its rider

[@bemiatto67]

Why are there like 15 Earth Spirits but only one of each for the others

[@roiitzkovich4545]

You didn't listen to the script well than. There was never mentioned a 5th element in the movie. The 5th spirit is the bridge between the humans and the spirits, not the possessor of a 5th element because THERE ISN'T A 5TH ELEMENT! A 5th spirit doesn't equal a 5th element.

[@RexPhalange]

I agree. When I watched the movie, I thought for sure Arendelle would be destroyed. Its destruction is justified. Then Elsa came riding, and I sighed and thought another rainbow unicorn cotton candy kids movie.

[@rustydiamonds771]

7:57 "They make it a twist that he was a villain, and that was *pulled off really well*" Y'all, I almost died laughing! Hans is the most poorly done twist villain, other then maybe Callahan from big hero six. No build up. No foreshadowing Uninteresting motivation Came outta nowhere

[@Lia.harlin]

rusty diamonds no foreshadowing? He looks up at the chandelier before he knocked it down. “I’ve been searching my whole life to find my own place”. Wearing the gloves like Elsa does to hide her true self. It was subtle but it was there!

[@chimneysweep0754]

i think it was bittersweet to have the sisters separated. i know theyre close by, but its still not the same. and i even though i thought Arendelle shouldve been destroyed as well for the purpose of the theme, its not a great message to send. Because i think the message is: you can right the wrongs of your ancestors. you dont have to repeat their mistakes. but that doesnt mean that you have to be punished for their sins. its like saying that the descendants of Hitler, or germany, should be tortured bc of what he did to Jews. And besides, there are literally no consequences to the first Frozen either. Elsa unfreezes everything in seconds, and there is no retaliation from the kingdom. they literally ice skate at the palace days later. not only that, but how could the movie end leaving thousands of ppl homeless including our leads. and you couldnt kill Elsa or Olaf bc people meet them in the parks. they´re also building Arendelle at the parks. its like saying Ariel shouldve stayed a mermaid at the end of her film or Rapunzel shouldve lost Flynn in order to have consequences. even though we analyze the film as adults, its still a childrens movie, theres no way disney couldve done that.

[@Rtotalmagic]

Agree there. It feels a little callous to say Arendelle should have been destroyed, and the rush to a happy ending is a Disney staple.

[@WatchRipples]

Yeah I thought it was bittersweet too and was confused when this video said it wasn't. Elsa and Anna only recently got to be together and now they can't be together, only visit occasionally. Elsa had a responsibility as the 5th spirit and that duty kept her away from Anna, so it was bittersweet in my opinion.

[@chimneysweep0754]

@@WatchRipples exactly, i thought the journey and all of the events had more than enough consequences on the characters that incited growth. i mean Kristoff not so much, but for our leads, most definitely.

[@monabohamad2242]

@@chimneysweep0754 sorry I'm confused can you explain what do you mean please? and I hope my English isn't completely terrible

[@roiitzkovich4545]

@@monabohamad2242 There were a lot of depressing and sad moments in the movie already. Yes, Elsa and Olaf were revived, but imagine the kids seeing Elsa dying and Olaf fading in front of their eyes for the first time. Nothing can erase that! When he said lead characters he meant Elsa, Olaf and Anna. Kristoff was shoved to the side, but for the others it was quite a dark journey.

[@akiriith]

I got easily annoyed with Disney for poking fun at their previous movies in Frozen, and I disagree with its subversions being well executed. It was mocking and poking fun at themselves, and Tangled subverted princess story expectations a lot more naturally without being HAHA LOOK HOW STUPID WE WERE BEFORE! You can subvert things without being edgy y'know? Also, Hans being a villain makes no sense with his actions, as mentioned before me. The Prince Charming love interest not working out, and it being okay, and Hans growing from it and being okay with not being a king because he learns to love the people would have been much better. Frozen 2 didn't bother me all that much, but... I do admit they should have destroyed Arendelle. The ending could have been them rebuilding after all, and showing a thematic "we're going to rebuilt it in a better way", both the city and the people. (Also, as for the other oscar nominees, the ones this year are really good! Though I almost wish they had gone with Frozen instead of HTTYD. HTTYD is my favorite franchise, period, but while its visuals are breathtaking and the story is emotional, it's also riddled with plot holes and OP characters and inconsistencies. Frozen wasn't subversive enough, true, but it had a solid story and execution and animation. I still love Dragons, but I love it enough that I can criticize the parts I dislike without my love for it fading. Personally? Rooting for Klaus. The animation style is superb)

[@iamtenrose7479]

Second all of what you said!

[@MCMasters4ever]

While I agree that the Hans twist doesn't add much to the story, I believe all his actions, except the cheekily added grin we got in the boat at the beginning which is just misleading, make sense. What do you believe doesn't make sense? If it interests you I'll try my best to explain, as someone who's spend way to much time ruminating this movie.

[@roiitzkovich4545]

Yeah! Putting HTTYD3 on the list instead of Frozen 2 is just as bad as not nominating Lego Movie in 2014. While Kristoff is not the greatest in F2, at least it wasn't as boring and annoying as HTTYD3.

[@akiriith]

Günther Schlauch hey!! :D I meant his smile on the boat, yea! And also him choosing to save Elsa. I guess it can be spun as him wanting to say "he tried" but failed, come to think of it? Huh. Regardless, it's not so much that I hate him as a villain (he's a good one! Had me the first time I watched the movie!), so much as "it'd have been more subversive of the trope if it just didn't work out, not him being a bad guy" C:

[@akiriith]

Roi Itzkovich i love httyd, a lot, and I always and forever will... and I love frozen as well. So to me it's hard to pick, but honestly, Frozen was so much more solid than HTTYD3. It broke its series' premise (we'll fight for our dragon friends and we'll change the world) to keep the ending similar to the books (ie their separation, which the books handle much better), dropped plot threads (Drago??? His alpha randomly appearing in the HW), has undeniable OP characters (a small crew of 6, sans dragons, took down an ARMADA). It may be visually gorgeous but it's absolutely not worthy of an Oscar, objectively speaking. Frozen has the visuals and story and a lot less issues than HTTYD. I do think Dragons 1 and maybe 2 deserved an Oscar, but the third one? Vs frozen? Naaaaah.

[@childofpersia1213]

I love how I always get something from your videos, even if I don’t particularly care for the movie in the title

[@barbaro267]

I hate that the point of the first film was made void with the second. Elsa wanted to live alone with her powers, but her sister helped her realize that she could be loved by the kingdom regardless of her magical abilities. The second one ended with Elsa living alone (alone meaning no Anna) with her powers. WTF. I only liked Frozen because I liked the idea of Elsa finding acceptance with her subjects by proving herself. But now she gave it all up, and why? WHY? Because she's different, does she suddenly have to live in the woods in a lifestyle she's never really known? Her people never threw her out. At the end of the first film, they accepted her for all that she was. Screw the sequel for retconning the first film that people universally loved and enjoyed.

[@roiitzkovich4545]

You missed the point. Just because the people around you accept you doesn't mean you can't feel out-of-place. Moreover, in the forest she discovered that she and Anna are both the 5th spirit (the bridge between humans and spirits), so each one should fulfill her role. Elsa should stay with the spirits as the spirit side of the bridge, while Anna should stay in Arendelle and lead the humans of the modernized civilization. Elsa still visits Arendelle once in a while for meetings with Anna so she shows she is still feeling OK with the Arendellians and thus doesn't retcons the events of the first film.

[@barbaro267]

@@roiitzkovich4545 That doesn't make sense though. If people love you for who you are, what does it matter that you're different? I think Elsa's journey in the sequel was a bit unnecessary, and the thing about her being a "fifth spirit" extremely convoluted (not just my opinion. A lot of people agree that there are things that don't make a lot of sense in that film).

[@roiitzkovich4545]

@@barbaro267 OK, first of all, people didn't understand it because they didn't analyse the movie to the tiniest details. Anna asked Elsa if she found the 5th spirit and than realized Elsa herself is. Than Elsa responded "Well actually a bridge has 2 sides, and our mother had 2 daughters". Both sisters are the 5th spirit (the bridge). What doesn't make sense about it? 2. As I said earlier, Elsa likes the Arendellians. After all, she still visits Arendelle once in a while. Her lesson from the first movie was not forgotten. It is simply her destined role in life to be the leader of the spirits, because otherwise she wouldn't have felt like Arendelle isn't her rightful place. Also, how can you say her journey was unnecessary when it literally explained why she has magic. A lot of people wondered about that for years and the answer of "she is just a gifted woman" wasn't enough.

[@JustClaude13]

In the first Frozen Elsa was the catalyst who initiated the challenge to overcome, but they gave two villains to lead the audience through the story and provide immediate peril. In Frozen 2, there were no direct villains. The conflict took place inside the sisters, and each one had to descend into the depths and face themselves and their own fears. Elsa had to confront her powers and accept them, and Anna needed to face her dependence on Elsa and become an independent person, no longer simply following her sister around. They needed to find their own strength and master it. Disney has never done a movie on this level before. It was about time they did. They needed to grow up. They also needed to make the events of the ending clearer so they didn't look so forced. Maybe in the next movie.

[@BelleAim]

Anyone else start crying when The Fox and the Hound recap was happening? Was not expecting that emotion to resurface so strongly. Great video! Really enjoyed it and I agree with the ending, it would have made their actions feel dramatic and more important.

[@presidenttogekiss635]

The problem of destroying Arandelle in the ending is that it would create a HUGE backlash from a huge number of people (myself included), for the message that colonial nations need to be destroyed (or in a lesser level, suffer) in order to correct the mistakes of the past.

[@theultimateusukfan]

the entire colonization bad angle was horribly executed that i doubt they thought about the deeper meaning of it other than "colonization bad, native people good! the end!"

[@Rtotalmagic]

@@theultimateusukfan Frozen 2 isn't really the place for a nuanced examination of the legacy of colonialism, but I agree that it is a bit rushed over. I also agree that destroying Arendelle could have had problematic implications. There is a world of difference between repatriation/repirations and destroying former colonial nationa...

[@christina7464]

As always: you bring themes to me, that I didn't think about before, and nail it. Great job! Never thought of Disney regarding the Oscars 🤔

[@roiitzkovich4545]

I disagree on so many ways. 1. Hans wasn't a compelling villain because I predicted his true personality from the moment Anna and Kristoff met each other. 2. The twist at the end of the first film about sisters's family love wasn't very great because, while it was surprising, it wasn't built up throughout the story well. We didn't see enough clues or effects of sisterhood being just as strong as true love in the story (if any). It literally came out of nowhere. Surprising doesn't equal compelling (maybe for you it is so I won't judge). 3. If a concept of subverting established expectations was done previously with the same IP, it doesn't mean the sequal has to do the same. If it wasn't a sequal to Frozen than I think you wouldn't have had these thoughts. It wants to do it's own thing, being a study about the history of that world and focus on action and world-building. Frozen 1 wasn't even praised for it's SURPRISES, just for it's soundtrack and characters (which btw SUCK). 4. At the beginning it was told that the mere reason they decided to go to the forest wasn't the siren Elsa heard (I'm mean, it was certainly a motive, but not THE motive). They went to the forest because Arendelle was affected by the spirits and the troll chief told them that Arendelle has no future without finding the truth. If the town was to be destroyed, while the expectation subversion would've been a thing, it will also be such a spit in the face of why they even came to the forest in the first place. Elsa, or a queen in general, won't leave her ruled kingdom without a strong enough motive (both for her and for her kingdom). A siren you hear isn't enough of an excuse, but for the sake of SAVING YOUR KINGDOM it is. If you didn't like it as much than fine, but this video will undeservely affect some people's opinions negatively towards this movie just because of you, a man who presented SUBJECTIVE and PERSONAL issues with the movie and will push undeserved negativity towards it. At least I'm rooting for Klaus or Weathering With You to win this year over the boring ass Missing Link, the unnecessary Toy Story 4 and the disappointing How to Train Your Dragon The Hidden World. I would easily say Frozen 2 deserved a nomination more than these 3 movies because it at least had some effort and was entertaining throughout, even with some small missed potentials here and there (and I don't even like Frozen 1 so there isn't bias here).

[@rooshayen2423]

Roi Itzkovich I completely agree with you.

[@ChristianDiaz-dy9yh]

Agreed

[@nispelsm]

Before the reveal that Hans was evil, I honestly thought they were going in the direction they took for "Enchanted", in that Hans would turn out to be a genuinely good guy, but not "The One", just like the Prince in "Enchanted" was a good guy with a genuine heart, but wasn't her true love. Honestly, I think that direction would have been better, and make Ambassador "Wesselton" the real bad guy.

[@monabohamad2242]

@@nispelsm nah I say the actual main villain was never really even a character but rather it was simply fear maybe that applies to the first frozen movie alone

[@neilrischl9569]

Dude your channel is going to blow up! Keep up the great work 👍💪👊💯

[@TropeAnatomy]

Thank you!

[@squirrel490-n1p]

Okay, but don't tell me that Frozen deserved the Oscar more than The Wind Rises. I thought the movie was okay, although I am aware that the popularity of it did get on my nerves. I understand the importance of breaking the old Disney tropes, however, studio Ghibli has always been ahead of Disney in terms of story/animation. But since people in North America grew up with Disney movies, this argument goes out the window I guess?? Yes, Disney has improved over time, but I wouldn't say their movies as captivating as Ghibli's (Zootopia was pretty great though) I did like Frozen 2 a lot more than the first movie. Despite the all it's problems I think it got a lot more creative.

[@hkr667]

Ghibli also does strong female lead characters right. Not in a REEEEEEEEEEE every male role should be a woman now kind of way, but actually good stories with actual strong women.

[@addisoncorey5636]

Fantastic video. Subscribed. :)

[@naniwaluckybi]

According to the "Art of Frozen II" book, Arendelle was supposed to be destroyed in the flood. It would have then be rebuilt with Northuldra influences, which is shown in the concept art. This would've worked really well, as it not only would it give Anna's sacrifice more weight, but it would also signify the genuine unity of Arendelle and the Northuldra, with Anna's sacrifice being the "bridge" to that.

[@Rtotalmagic]

I'm mixed on this, because that is a pretty interesting idea, but Elsa would have seemed weak if she didn't get to use her magic at the end. Maybe she could have done this rebuild with her ice powers, but there are several problems with this. Ultimately, I think the happier ending was based on the need to keep things simple and allow Elsa to show off at the end...

[@monabohamad2242]

@@Rtotalmagic in my opinion it basically meant that Elsa and Anna DID work together wich means that Elsa Ultimately DID keep her promise

[@aufowithwificoverage3328]

It’s hard to believe Sony made one truly outstanding movie (Spider-verse) One of my favs easily

[@maidden]

I felt the same when I walked out of the theater (the first time), but upon further reflection I realized that the movie's message of "reparations are good, actually, and don't have to hurt anyone if you do the right thing" was worth it.

[@StuffwellakaTy]

Swords of blasphemy time: Frozen 2 is not deserving of a best animated film nomination.

[@ZhangtheGreat]

I agree, although I get why the ending wound up as is (for deeper reasons than just "happily ever after"). It was the spirits that determined the fates of the kingdoms, and since Elsa is the fifth spirit, she wound up passing judgment that Arendelle deserved a second chance given her promise in "Some Things Never Change" and Anna's choice to destroy the dam. It might not have been the best way to do it, but it does tie the story together.

[@Rtotalmagic]

I agree that the reasons for giving Arendelle a second chance go beyond ensuring "Hapilly Ever After". Elsa needed the opportunity to show how awesome she was at the end, and her saving Arendelle was the simplest way to do this...

[@Ratigan2]

Thank you. I _really_ needed this...

[@rexbesong2922]

Flodding arendelle was the plan but disney esecutives stepped in and said no so they had to rewrite some things

[@carrielouderback9956]

THE B I N G B O N G T R E A T M E N T

[@childofpersia1213]

Fox and the Hound?! Oh man! I had no idea I’d get a little review of that classic! See this is why your videos are the best

[@mohq22]

Weathering with you was also ignored

[@user-lesserafim0502]

True! Was dissapointed

[@mohq22]

Lizzie yeah me too it was an amazing movie

[@Alexisisnt]

Just that short synopsis of the Fox and the Hound made me cry. What a classic.

[@tonysylar]

9:34 - Since you love Lion King 2, it would be interesting seeing you talk/debate with YMS about it. He... He doesn't feel the same way and Lion King is his favourite animated film. Should be a fascinating conversation.

[@riccardoleone4265]

The problem with your kind of ending is that Elsa is too powerful at this point in the story. Someone could have said that Elsa had all the powers necessary to stop the wave. Like she had. The only way to make her not intervene in the destruction of Arendelle was to keep her frozen, or unwilling to intervene.

[@martaszu1372]

or too far from being able to reach it..oh wait, that wasn't a problem :D

[@riccardoleone4265]

@@martaszu1372 pretty sure that her bullshit powers combined with the spirit of water bullshit powers made it a very relative problem. Like a "toss a coin" problem

[@chance757]

2 videos in less than a week?! well butter my butt and call me a biscuit, thanks!😂💕

[@TropeAnatomy]

Hahaha trying to upload way more this year. We’ll see if I can keep it up. Thank you 😊

[@philmysterious7176]

I honestly don't normally care about any of these topics, but the way you presented it made me interested and kept my attention during the whole video. Great job.

[@TropeAnatomy]

thank you so much! I always worry they might be long meandering nonsense so it's such a relief when people say things like this ✨

[@MMEarlene]

Niceeee i like ur idea! It would had been better if it end that way

[@im_ann_apple4435]

At that time, my friends had already watched frozen 2 in the cinemas and at their homes, telling everyone in the class that it was so good. I had saved up time for me to watch it as well and it definitely didnt feel satisfying. I didnt know how to explain it and i felt kinda embarrassed as i was watching this with my mom, telling her it is good. YES THE VISUALS, STORY, AND EVERYTHING ELSE WAS AMAZING AND IT REALLY BROUGHT ALL THE PLOT HOLES IN FROZEN ALL NICELY CLOSED but there was something that didnt feel right at the ending, i never knew what it was. I told my friends it was an ok movie. Then this video came in my recommendations. What you have pointed out was exactly what i have felt at the end of the movie, it's exactly what felt wrong. So Thank you

[@stellar_nathy6679]

I agree, it would have been more powerful if Arendelle was destroyed and they have to rebuild it along with the tribe, exchanging cultures and uniting. It also bothered me that we didn't have much of the guards of Arandelle and the tribe characters. AND the fact that Elsa is some kind of avatar was kind of a stretch, it would have been better if she was blessed by a water and air spirit or something like that

[@Kimi91]

I also agree that Arendelle should have been destroyed in the end. I believed that it was an ending that was considered because there are some concepts or the people of Arendelle living in tents. I don't know why they scraped that ending.

[@Arachisage]

Especially with the coronation out of a tent. And the new statue.

[@roiitzkovich4545]

Because they realized it's wrong to punish people for what their former-former king has done. It's like you'll go to destroy all of Germany and leave the civilians homelesses for what the Nazis have done. Obviously that didn't happen because the new generation of Germanies and the few who disagreed with Hitler during the war are innocents so it isn't fair to punish them.

[@roiitzkovich4545]

@@Arachisage The ending wasn't her coronation, it was the reveal of their parents's statue. Also, what's that point with the tent? Is it supposed to reference the Northuldra? Tents is a primative technology that the Arendellian have likely been aware about and had in use before. It's not like they learned it from the Northuldra or something.

[@thatonegirludontknow]

That Fox & the Hound play-by-play got me sobbing.

[@jenshansen3329]

i think at this point what ever pixar makes just gets nominated

[@Narnia61]

Toy Story 4 shouldn't have been nominated. We didn't need a Toy Story 4. Toy Story 3 was a perfect way to end it.

[@PabloTheGreat1]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Hans SHOULD have returned for the sequel.

[@91splamy]

Fox and the hound broke me as a kid, even just hearing you talk about it made me tear up. I think about it from time to time though

[@nick4242]

While I think they should've went with the destroyed castle ending, I think the ending we got is just as ambitious: they had the guts to basically retcon the first movies ending by swapping the sisters arcs. Anna, who always loved the kingdom, becomes Queen. Elsa, who's always wanted acceptance and freedom, gets to be herself in the forest. It send a great message about doing what's best for yourself in life and chasing your passions

[@fernandoangon1129]

Exactly! Elsa “went too far” and she paid the price, Ana realizes this and decides to right the wrongs from the past and she did so do heroically. It only made sense that at least the kingdom will have a small loss which is totally materialistic and could be rebuilt.

[@live22morrow]

18:10 Correction: As of video publication, Frozen 2 is the second highest grossing animated film. The first is The Lion King (2019).

[@random1234567890ize]

So what you’re saying is that thor ragnarok is a better frozen 2

[@SydiaDreaming]

I think he's right..

[@haihai9022]

Yup. At least Ragnarok had an impact and is a much better film in every way. Imo, Frozen 2 felt like filler dialogue (much like Shrek 3) and had an ending so bad, it makes the ending of HIMYM look superb in comparison.

[@monabohamad2242]

@@haihai9022 nah in my opinion I don't think ANY of those endings were actually bad

[@haihai9022]

@@monabohamad2242 Ragnarok is actually one of my favourite MCU films (and best Thor movie imo) because it was a lot more fun and colourful, but not painfully sappy that it would make 3 year olds groan (Looking at you, Troll at Central Park). Story-wise, it's good, mainly because it adds more character development to not only Thor, but Loki as well. Finally, we get to the ending. Asgard gets destroyed, which actually leaves an impact on the franchise. On the other hand, Frozen 2 has filler dialogue, little to no character development (not to mention that almost everyone in Frozen 2 did basically nothing) and an ending so sappy, stupid and unfitting, it put HIMYM to shame to bad endings.

[@NorthStar8211]

I enjoyed watching the video but I am sorry to say that I totally disagree with the suggestion that the Arandelians were the villains just because one single person who happened to be their king decided to weaken their neighbouring kingdom and attacked a harmless, unarmed man from behind. Even most of his loyal soldiers had no idea it and if the parents of Elsa and Anna, who were there at the time, knew nothing about it, surely the people of Arandelle who have their own real life problems knew nothing about it either (and even if they did, it is still the king's fault and there was not much that they could do about it).Above all, I was appalled at the suggestion that the Arandelians, many of whom were probably not even alive when these events took place or were too young, should pay for the sins of their dead ex-king (I won't say for the sins of their fathers for the very simple reason that their fathers had nothing to do with it) and that they should be punished for a crime they didn't commit by watching their homes being destroyed. The fact that there would be no loss of life does not mean much. Homes have sentimental value for people especially when many generations have lived there and they undoubtedly have cherished possessions in their homes which they would be heart-broken to part with. I am against any form of shaming people for things their ancestors did and making them feel guilty for things that they played not part in or were unaware of. It would be unacceptable to make people nowadays pay for the crimes that, say, their Nazi grandparents committed, don't you think? Even the suggestion itself would be a horrible thing to bring up. And you would have been unhappy to see your home and your land being taken away from you if it had emerged that many generations ago, this land was taken by driving away the local population (which is something that has been happening continually throughout the entire history of mankind). Besides, the spirits did not make the destruction of Arandelle a requirement in order to break the spell; all they were asking for was to have the dam destroyed and Arandelle just happened to be in the way. But if Arandelle could somehow be saved, it was not something the spirits were against and there was no demand for a sacrifice (maybe that is why Elsa was a "gift" in the first place; perhaps she was expected to use her powers and minimise the damage when the moment arrived). And not without good reason: the Arandelians would have been outraged if they had to listen to Anna telling them that this is something that had to be done; they would hate her as their new queen for doing this to them and they would be secretly praying for Hans or someone like him to come and take over and then attack their Northern neighbours just out of spite (and to have their revenge for the loss of valuable jewellery or other precious heirlooms , beloved pets as well as other livestock and family fortune lost when Arandelle got flooded). As for bittersweat endings or tragic endings, they work in some movies but movies such as Fox and the Hound and Pocahontas are not exactly very high up the lists of family Disney favourites. I am not suggesting that these movies are bad (I love Pocahontas and I appreciate Fox and the Hound for what it is though it never quite appealed to me despite watching it several times) . It is just that families usually watch Disney movies expecting an uplifting happy ending and many already were unhappy to see Elsa and Anna separating and the team being broken up. Seeing Arandelle being destroyed too would have felt more like a tragedy rather than a bittersweet ending as it would imply that it doesn't matter how kind one is; all that matters is what the ancestors you never met did before you were born. Frozen 2 had many problems with its plot, relying heavily on flashbacks that did not connect well together in order to tell a coherent story and I was left so confused while trying to put the pieces together at parts that I may have to pick up the novelised version just to understand what happened. But the ending (besides Elsa's departure which I personally didn't mind but I know others did) was great. On a relevant not, I never felt that Pocahontas was suggesting that both sides were at fault. In fact, it seemed to me that the British were the only ones at fault as they came there to attack the locals and take their land and their gold. It was not just Radcliff, the others shared his views to some extent (even John Smith who was the hero). The Indians were merely defending their land and did nothing villainous. Compare that to Frozen 2 where the soldiers of Arandelle were simply accompanying their king and knew next to nothing about the king's intentions. As for Disney sequels, if I recall correctly, both Peter Pan 2 and Jungle Book 2 were released in theaters so shouldn't that made them official sequels? Not that it matters anyway as Disney seems to consider every sequel they make to be official. I am fine with all of them as long as they do not affect what is considered to be canon in the original film. I love Lion King 2 but, like many fans, I reject Lion King 3 (which is actually more of a Timon and Pumba movie) on the basis that several events clash with the continuity in the first film. I also don't approve of mid-quels like the Beauty and the Beast ones which feel shoe-horned into the first film. But I love the Aladdin sequels and the TV series, as they expand the universe of the first film without contradicting anything.

[@Rtotalmagic]

Agree with this 100%!

[@21karo12]

I agree with you about the ending- it was too happy! I also think Arendelle should've been destroyed, but I'd also would have like to see a little more patriotism (couldn't think of a better word) from the sisters or at least one of them, preferably Anna, to make her decision to destroy the dam, and with it her home, have more meaning. I'm afraid I have issues with Elsa leaving Arendelle and her people behind to go live in the woods, as I feel this ending defeats the purpose of the first film where the sisters were finally united after spending so many years seperated. She didn't feel anxious about ruling, she just wanted to know about herself and her powers, and so I feel Elsa could still fulfill her duties a a queen and still know her place in the world.

[@nachoag8678]

14:15 the Hunchback of Notre Dame is another movie with a bittersweet ending (that's one of the many reasons why I think it is the best one Disney has ever made), in which Quasimodo does not get his soul mate, his princess Esmeralda; instead, she stays with Phoebus. And I believe it sends a powerful message and makes the story even more iconic, memorable and meaningful

[@JoseRivera-er1xu]

So happy Frozen 2 is not nominated. I hope Toy Story 4, aka unnecessary movie, doesn't win so that Dragons 3, Klaus, or Missing Link wins

[@thestorycellertor]

Ok, I think you're forgetting one scene near the end that's really sad. When Anna thinks that her sister dies, and starts singing about depression. If there's already that, then destroying Arendelle would honestly be too much. I think you're forgetting that.

[@Rtotalmagic]

Agreed! The Next Right Thing is my favourite Frozen 2 song, and it's really annooying when people ignore or downplay it. Ultimately, Disney films are about HOPE, and the conviction that we can make the world a better place.

[@lowksliana2884]

i was so pissed when frozen 2 didn't win an oscar even though i have to agree that it could have shown more potential

[@niraea]

which game is the background music at the beginning from? i can't place it and it's driving me insane.

[@g.b569]

Well, now with Encanto having won the Oscar, they subverted the trope of no real bad guy and also creating characters that we can understand and relate to

[@bonniebelle4130]

Dang just that short clip of Fox & The Hound and my eyes welled with tears. Such a sad part of the movie. Almost as sad as Bambi.

[@m0m055]

“If Arendelle is the villain in the story, than Arendelle must pay” That’s so wrong isn’t it?

[@axoNNNessj]

I think they decided to give it a (kind of) happy ending because the movie was very dark already. Also it fits with the two sides of a bridge theme because Anna saved the forest and Elsa saved arendelle, while Anna ended up becoming queen of Arendelle and Elsa moved to the forest.

[@11kathrin]

Wow. I finally found the answer why i felt this weird feeling of disappointment at the end. I never could grasp it but this video explains it so well!

[@Victoria-jl5ts]

i choked at "the bing bong treatment"

[@bexyPTX]

You're so right, I didn't think of it like that but it makes so much sense

[@remixchild]

Frozen 2 had everything! The box office, the ratings and rep. So what made Disney think that this wasn’t Oscar worthy?!