That Time Chibnall Re-Invented The Master

[@HarboWholmes]

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[@blobfish5730]

I'm good thanks.

[@Jan12700]

Raid is a fucking Scam!

[@TenthSgtSnipes]

Eww the real villain right here

[@carlosapa2466]

@@TenthSgtSnipes nothing wrong with doing a sponser the guy has to make a living

[@killgriffinnow]

Kind of in poor taste to shill for an Israeli company with what’s been going on lately...

[@CyborgCharlotte]

Anyone else wish we’d gotten a couple of episodes at the start of Season 2 without Jack being there? They make a big deal about Jack not being there only to go “OOP! He’s back!” 5 minutes later

[@TheWolfXCIX]

Not really, Jack is the best character in the show by a long shot. For me season 2 was ruined by being so Owen-heavy so that might just be a me-thing

[@InimicalWit]

Defo. Like HW says, there’s hardly enough weight to his absence. The plot itself is fine; but yes, we needed more of Jack absent, showing the other characters succeeding (at least a little bit) without him there. For people who might actually stop watching the show if he’s not in it (people, say, who don’t watch DW and wouldn’t know that Jack was certain to return), then have him return in the final minutes of the first episode, as part of a denouement that lets the other characters express token dissatisfaction with him; and then start the second episode by dealing with that and actually having that conversation as he tries to resume his leadership as the next threat presents itself to them.

[@i_am_tomatosoup]

@@TheWolfXCIX I really enjoyed Owen's plotline in S2 when I saw it as a kid. Granted, I haven't watched the show since it aired but I definitely remember that being one of my favorite story arcs in the show. Can you elaborate as to why you didn't like the Owen stuff in S2? I'm super interested in finding out other peoples' perspectives on narratives that I liked growing up, since it usually helps me to gain a greater appreciation for the work, both in its flaws and what it does right.

[@tobylerone4285]

@@TheWolfXCIX bruv Owen was waaaaay more compelling in season 2, IMO jack is by far the worst character in all seasons of torchwood, probably because the two writers who created him had minimal input on his characterisation. He’s a bit better in children of Earth but I still think he lacks the glint had had in s1 of who

[@henryg4377]

Thie episode was the 2008 edition of Revolution of the Daleks (they were both written by Chibnall and featured captain Jack, so look, parallels!).

[@kanashimi4356]

Very secretive organisation with their name-branded handguns.

[@HarboWholmes]

Don't forget the SUV with 'TORCHWOOD' carved into the side

[@kanashimi4356]

@@HarboWholmes "Outside the government, beyond the police" but everyone knows who were are and we brand all our stuff.

[@EmmaCharles26]

@@kanashimi4356 yep 😂😂😂

[@rkah6187]

@@kanashimi4356 And they aren't actually outside the government... the organisation was founded by the Queen and they are paid with taxpayer money 😂 so it's more like "beyond the police... but still part of Her Majesty's Government, don't worry folks"

[@kiwi.panada2423]

I love the fact that you compared Gwen to Amy cause I feel like a lot of Amy fans brush over how horribly she treated Rory during their travels with the Doctor

[@entertain7us148]

What is it with doctor who and terrible girlfriends? Rose, Amy, Gwen… wonder if its just a symptom of doctor/Jack worship, where you need to give the female lead a boyfriend to compare unfavourably to the magical male lead

[@jimmy2k4o]

The way I see it rose broke up with Micky in 1x1 rose He was useless and a coward the whole episode. She says thanks, he replies for what? She responds “exactly” Meaning “you do nothing for me” And Amy with the doctor, she makes one serious advance in flesh and stone, right after she has a near death experience and was aced by the doctor. The doctor recognizes this and immediately goes to get Rory And once Rory is there, Amy is devoted to him. She flirts with the doctor because that’s her weird sense of humour.

[@danarnold8989]

So the line where jack said photo copying your butt I legit got an ad for a local office supply place almost died 😅😂

[@fire_phoenix04]

I really want a doctor who story about the time agency (on the tv show not from big finish because they’ve probably done it already) because we know basically nothing about the organisation and what they do, only really popping up when the writers need a time traveler or time travel related mechanics that are separate from the doctor.

[@pokepal148]

I know Big Finish has covered that a few times.

[@fire_phoenix04]

@@pokepal148 they cover everything, that one off character who you passively meet in one episode, big finish has a three part series on them.

[@Alia-bc3rc]

All I remember Big Finish did it once, with Captain Jack met the younger version of himself before he even became Jack Harkness.

[@fabrisseterbrugghe8567]

Best line in the episode? "That's a poodle." after Captain John says something like "Hey, sexy!"

[@baders087]

He says ‘ohhh that’s gorgeous’

[@fabrisseterbrugghe8567]

@@baders087 Thank you. I'm not at home so I couldn't do a quick check. :-)

[@NeroLeMorte]

Cut to clip of cricket kissing a poodle in it's always sunny.

[@Emily-dn3no]

Somehow, watching these videos has made my English essays better

[@zeallust8542]

Well when listening to good essays youre bound to pick some of it up. Watching videos like these makes me want to start making video essays, as I've always excelled at essays in school.

[@Emily-dn3no]

@@zeallust8542 Oh, same. Watching these makes me want to just write 7 pages on one character movement every time.

[@zeallust8542]

@@Emily-dn3no owen would be a great character for that, i hated owen in season 1 torchwood, but by the end of season 2 i was so sad

[@Silver-rx1mh]

"Hey kids, ya miss me" Thats a line straight from Buffy season 3 where she first turns up in that season. Yet another shout out to that series and the influence it had on this.

[@jbcatz5]

The Big Finish story Broken is about how Jack and Ianto begin as a couple, set between some of the series 1 stories so we can see how Ianto truly feels, like how the events of Countrycide affected him.

[@Ben-vf5gk]

I think for once you gave Chibnall more credit than I did. I kinda wrote John off as just Sci-fi Spike. Old friends turned enemies was the dynamic Spike had with Angel (who reminded me of both the 9th Dr and Jack) though it's also obviously Master and the Doctor- "we'd be emperors" even sounds like a Master line. It makes sense that Jack has a Master of his own after coming from meeting the Dr's dark reflection. It's interesting that when Chibnall actually writes the Master he essentially goes for the Deadly Assassin model as opposed to the kind of characters Simm and Masters played.

[@Silver-rx1mh]

Yep, the whole Jack/John thing was set very much in the Spike/Angel mold ie 'Spangel'. Even down to the banter.

[@callycap3]

I'm glad you're doing Torchwood series 2 before the Doctor Who series 4 specials, I'm not emotionally ready to say goodbye to the Tenth Doctor yet. Though I am looking forward to hearing your opinions on Moffat's era being that we are both such RTD fanboys :D

[@mayotango1317]

Is so refreshing after the soap opera melodrama.

[@CineScarborough]

James Martsers was such a great casting as Captain John. He's so great at playing an antagonistic role, which he later demonstrated once again in Marvel's Runaways as the abusive father and murdering cult worshipper Victor Stein.

[@lucypreece7581]

I know I am later then normal commenting. I have been at work all day. forgive me. I like this opening. the first few scenes with the chase are so chaotic but in the best possible way. I also love how awkward Jack gets when he asks Ianto out on a date. This suave, swashbuckling, charismatic hero is suddenly all flustered and awkward. It is kind of adorable

[@frazzlesreviews5379]

The cold opening was actually written by Russel T Davies as he wasn’t just meant to write the opener but had actually started, only to then drop out for having no ideas

[@L0g0Z0g0]

I finally watched this today, and no kidding, when Captain John appeared I thought this was the toymaker, like he looks so similar to Neil Patrick Harris, in some facial expressions in some scenes specifically, and now I am imagining what would happen if that actually was him

[@picklesparkerreviews]

Harbo finally accepted that Raid Sponsorship! Gotta get that bag 💸

[@Dynexsil]

They pay creators really well so I'm happy for him 😊

[@picklesparkerreviews]

@@Dynexsil Yeah so am I. I know he was pondering whether to take the sponsorship from them or not but ultimately if its good pay then I see no issue with it. Its not like Raid are problematic or anything, they're just a bit of a meme 😂

[@killgriffinnow]

I have an issue with Israeli companies being shilled for, considering their government is currently involved in a genocide.

[@OatmealDonk]

@@picklesparkerreviews Actually, they really are problematic. Their game is designed to use psychological techniques from the gambling industry to utterly addicted and drain childrens finances. They aren't just another sponsor, they're a gambling empire who prey on children. There's nothing wrong with shilling for a company, but its important to know who your shilling for and actually at least somewhat care - Considering a lot of harbos viewers are likely in the 12-18 range they're very susceptible to Raids techniques, so i'd argue him shilling for them is an extremely bad decision. No matter how much they've paid him, he's completely lost my trust. Meal boxes, audible, skillshare, dollar shave club, heck even nordVPN (who still have pretty misleading adverts) would be fine, but raid are close enough to criminals at this point. I've actually disliked the video for it. I'm fine with him making money from sponsorships and i fully accept it, but not scammers like raid.

[@AstroLOW]

@@OatmealDonk all I’ll say is....the sponsorship ads hardly work on people, because it’s something we all know can just be skipped by 200 seconds, so yeah. People won’t just be sheep and say “HE TOLD ME THIS GAME EXISTS, ME PLAY ON PHONE NOW”, and if they do then I’m sure they’re the minority. That doesn’t mean I disagree with you, but it’s not really something to take concern with in my personal opinion

[@nightowl8477]

23:28 _Excalibur!_ was what Russell was gonna call this show when he came up with it back in the 90s. Then it was adapted into the Doctor Who universe!

[@VeracityLH]

And TORCHWOOD was used as the label for the first series of NuWho, because Torchwood is an anagram of Doctor Who. Cheers. 😁

[@christianwise637]

Kind of funny how Torchwood series 2 basically has a very similar plot to Doctor Who series 12. A fun fast paced opener that sees the hero's world get shaken by the unexpected return of their nemesis, who in their final scene teases a big revelation about the hero's past. A lot of focus is placed on the secretive nature of the main character and their refusal to let their friends in on any of their secrets, which establishes some friction amongst the group. Episode 5 acts as a bit of mid-series baiting for the finale, in which the main action of the story provides further information that builds towards the big reveal. All of this leads to a finale in which the aforementioned nemesis makes their big return and the hero has to use their extended lifespan to survive their traps and stop them, all while their companions are fighting for their lives and the entire world is crumbling around them

[@alwinkrul2452]

Because of the same wrighter

[@Deathlygunn]

The difference being Torchwood Series 2 is mostly decent and fleshes out its characters (especially Owen) while Doctor Who Series 12 was all over the place and saw most of its characters regress.

[@rkah6187]

@@Deathlygunn There was nowhere to really regress to, though, as there was no character development in the first place.

[@benlowe1701]

The Time Agency is actually a reference to classic Who, where they are mentioned in 4th Doctor Story, the Talons of Weng-Chiang, as a force hunting the villain of that episode, initially suspecting the Doctor of being one. A more Modern Audio Story, written some decades later in 2012, featuring the fifth Doctor, features the Fifth Doctor meeting that same villain, prior to their meeting; to preserve the timeline, the Doctor claims to be a Time Agent - which is where that villain first hears the term.

[@dylannoneyabiz2426]

ngl, the only part of this episode I actually like is that bit when Captain John just tries to gloat about having killed Jack... and then Jack walks into the room

[@Dynexsil]

I remember season 2, they'd do a censored cut of the episodes on BBC2 for younger viewers (much to the relief of my parents 🤣)

[@i_am_tomatosoup]

This makes so much sense to me now. I remember thinking S2 was so much cleaner than the first season, but I guess I only saw the censored episodes lol

[@Dr3Mc3Ninja]

I don't want, I need John Hart to return in a new Torchwood season. I love this episode.

[@mujiescomedy279]

4:04 - so what you’re saying is torchwood is legends of tomorrow

[@HiperPivociarz]

I disagree with you. The episode SHOULD start with them not being able to pull through without Jack. They should be reaffirmed in the notion that they're nothing without Jack. And then at the end of the episode, they succeed without him. That's how you write a character arc.

[@mayotango1317]

Is funny because they are so incompetent and jerkass with Jack.

[@libertyabbott2904]

I found it strange that John tried to kill Jack not knowin he was immortal it seemed like their bond was stronger than a quick shove of a building (I know he didn't die but I didn't think it fitted John's character)

[@EditedAF987]

I dunno, John kinda strikes me as an impulsive character who just does things without thinking just because it seemed pleasurable . And the audio “The Death of Captain Jack” ended up revealing that the two had been leaving each other in increasingly deadly scenarios for a while now. Jack even locked John inside a cupboard aboard the Titanic at one point.

[@Ben-vf5gk]

Jack returning is a lot like the Doctor getting out of prison in Revolution of the Daleks, both are kinda detriments to the story though this one hides it better.

[@kramor3k]

"But what kept him away for so long?.........maybe he discovered Raid Shadow Legend"............I'm not sure if that's the best or worst segue into a promotion ever ;-)

[@thedoctor1263]

How did you not name this video That Time Chibnall Re-Invented The Marsters

[@bloodyneptune]

Wait, why wouldn't John work on the team? They could have him show up on Doctor Who and redeem himself, you know, really get his soul back. He could have ended up using some alien device that saves the world but kills him, and hed have died a hero. BUT then the someone sends Torchwood the alien device and it could turn out John _didn't_ die he was absorbed by it, and being redeemed he could have joined the team. Maybe he could have been incorporeal for a while. A totally unique plot that I just made up myself.

[@VeracityLH]

I'd watch the hell out of that! 👏

[@lorrainesheridan496]

I have only now watched Buffy during lockdown so didn't know about Spike. I hope Barrowman has not been sacked as only reason to watch Who now. I know he was naughty but amongst his fellow luvvies was years ago and no complaints then. Noel Clark is a completely different. situation allegedly.

[@VeracityLH]

There's always another side to the story. Eve Miles stated at one of Torchwood's first Comicons that when John would haul out lil Johnnie and the twins, she would show off her own twins in response.

[@orangepizzaparty688]

Not the raid shadow legends sponsor... Lol I’m joking, honestly I’m glad you’re getting money through sponsorships with all the copyright claims

[@androstempest]

The comment about not properly setting stuff up was also a Moffat issue too. So many characters and ideas just dropped out of nowhere and ultimately disappeared unresolved. Neither chibnal nor moffat seem to understand that for something to be a mystery you need to care enough to ask questions. Just not telling us what’s going on doesn’t make something a mystery and making use of a plot device you haven’t set up just feels so deus ex machina.

[@alexandertaylor7316]

I legit feel that RTD was the biggest deus ex machina offender of them all; he'd set up such grandiose odds against the Doctor that there was no way of reasonably getting out of it, and that led to more and more egregious levels of deus ex machina. The end of time's solution was literally him shooting some machine, Journey's end saw an entire dalek empire rendered silly with a few levers on a single console, and the season 3 ending was literally prayer saying the day.

[@BambiTrout]

@@alexandertaylor7316 RTD did at least usually set up his deus ex machinae. The time vortex in the S1 finale was set up in Boom Town. The machine in The End of Time was well established as the only secure link between Earth and Gallifrey, so shooting it breaks the link. The thing that burnt the air in The Poison Sky was established as a way to convert an atmosphere to one like Earth's. Even the whole prayer thing in S3 was set up, even if the whole space Jesus moment was fucking ridiculous. He always made use of Chekhov's gun, meaning that even if sometimes it wasn't that satisfying, you at least felt like it made sense, and like that was how it was always supposed to happen. Moffat's problem seemed to be more overambition. He'd set everything and the kitchen sink up, but would only actually resolve half of the threads. His plots usually made sense and the setups WERE there, but there was often too much bloat and red herrings, and often the setup could get lost in the mix. Moffat often got a bit too intricate and clever for his own good, and as a result his stories could get confusing. Also, Series 6 is always in the wrong order because every character is following a different timeline, and half of the episodes have flashbacks to the same events but from different perspectives. Chibnall does the worst of both worlds, particularly in Doctor Who. He doesn't set things up, and he drops plot lines like hot cakes. Like how The Doctor transferred the DNA bombs to Tim Shaw offscreen with no mention. Or how she pulled an EMP out of nowhere in The Ghost Monument. Or how Ryan is apparently a KZbinr in TWWFTE, and it never gets mentioned again, and more.

[@alexandertaylor7316]

@@BambiTrout I disagree completely about RTD; the fact that he set them up in some way didn't make it actually make sense. Most of the time it felt to me like "Oh, this thing also does that? That's a massive oversight by the enemies...", in a way that cheapens the experience significantly. The season 1 ending did this fairly convincingly, but it went downhill from there. I do generally agree about Moffat though. Sometimes the results were excellent but a lot of the time the results were "huuh?". And let's not even mention Chibnall... My only issue is that people tend to overlook some pretty major issues with RTD's writing while hyperfocusing on those of Moffat's. Nostalgia goggles maybe? Don't get me wrong, I love RTD's writing overall, I also love Moffat's, but both have some very major flaws.

[@BambiTrout]

@@alexandertaylor7316 That's fair enough if you feel that way. I personally don't feel it cheapens the experience usually. I for the most part think it makes the episodes more rewatchable, because you can go back and pick up on all the hints you missed. I find RTD episodes just that much more interesting to replay, partly because nostalgia tbf, but also because there's a lot of subtext and commentary I missed as a child, and I enjoy that feeling I get from going back and picking up on those clues and hints. I do get what you're saying about "oh that was a massive oversight", but for me personally I don't mind if the enemy is a bit stupid or missed something obvious, because a) often it makes sense for a villain to be a bit careless, because it shows their arrogance - James Bond movies do it all the time, and b) I would rather have an unsatisfying conclusion that can be traced back, than a more dramatic one that comes completely out of left field. Particularly given the 45 minute runtime of most NuWho adventures, there's not often time to wrap everything up individually - something Moffat always struggled with - and so often the best way to maximise the use of that time is to drop hints along the way, make the enemy a bit less observant and have everything fall into place at the end. That being said, I think the issue with a lot of the more egregious RTD finale's you cited is that in reality they could have done with more time to flesh things out in order to avoid having to rely on enemy stupidity and simpler solutions to have a proper conclusion. In reality, my ideal DW showrunner would be a love child of RTD and Moffat. Moffat's best work was under Davies, and Moffat's episodes were the highlights of Davies' run. I love the intricacies of Moffat's plotting and his combination of hard sci-fi concepts with childhood fears, but he does sometimes OVERplot and gets so wrapped up in the mystery or the concept that he forgets about the characters or the answer. Meanwhile RTD's character work and world building is the best, and his scripts are extremely efficient, but he sometimes oversimplifies things and falls into melodrama, leaving the sci-fi elements a bit underdeveloped or cartoony. You can see from the success of Blink, Silence in the Library, The Empty Child, and Girl in the Fireplace that Moffat's intricacies and high-concepts, tempered by Davies' focus on real characters and removing story bloat can lead to some amazing TV. Their flaws balanced each other out. The one thing with both writers is that their scripts, even if not always perfect, did always feel finished, while most of Chibnall's writing feels like a first draft. Not so much on Torchwood, but ESPECIALLY in Series 11, and Series 12 to a marginally lesser extent. Like it doesn't seem like anyone went back and double checked they made sense before shooting them - a feeling I never got with Moffat or RTD.

[@rkah6187]

So true! *cough cough* Mel *cough cough* supposed best friend we have never even heard of before *cough*

[@firestone7666]

I liked John's character he reminds me mostly of missy

[@juliet1203_]

Series 2 of Torchwood is the second best season of Torchwood, with Children of Earth easily taking the top spot

[@thatfamiliarsound]

Ayyy I forgot James marsters was in this

[@EpicGamer-dk1tp]

You forgot to mention that the fish at the start was up to his gills in cocaine

[@greigbutler4498]

You said jack ran off to do the doctor who season 2 finale, it’s the series 3 finale

[@user0237]

Loving the primeval reference

[@hgjfkd12345]

18:38 he is speaking on beat with the music

[@claudeblue2281]

yeh

[@Awesome_Pichu]

Torchwood is as secretive as a sponsored blimp

[@pcandy9558]

Do the sarah Jane adventures

[@stephjovi]

He has, said multiple times that he watched and loved it as a child. Watching and analysing it as an adult, would ruin the memory for him. We should respect that

[@henryg4377]

Hearing your sponsor of Raid Shadow Ledgends just made me laugh!

[@WindspriteM]

CLASSIC CHIBNALL COUNTDOWN TIMER

[@yeoldpepsi]

What you hear: sponsored by raid shadow legends What I hear: our production and fuck budgets just went all the way up

[@kyledawson871]

9:20 It's the end. But the moment has been prepared for.

[@amber-1481]

My boy Rhys is getting done dirty

[@doofiddy]

I know it’s not at all important information but the fish man in question was a lion fish, not a blow fish

[@cameronmonaghan6883]

I hope we see more of the Blowfish, John Hart and the Time Agency in the future. Maybe in another adult spinoff Give some more expansion to the franchise. I'd see John Hart as more of an antihero than a villain. He could be a more heroic person if he actually wants to. I don't mind the bloodwork element. I'd rather have it be something improvised than have it painfully foreshadowed. 'The villains impending boom boom' has a humorous tone to it. Put it on a shirt

[@jbcatz5]

One of the novels, The Undertaker’s Gift, has a subplot involving a Blowfish that Jack takes prisoner in the Hub.

[@cameronmonaghan6883]

@@jbcatz5 ive read it. Good story

[@jbcatz5]

@@cameronmonaghan6883 The novels are pretty good, it’s a shame they don’t all have audiobook readings.

[@AiRsTrIkExXzZ]

At the beginning of this year I finally got bbc iPlayer I saw torchwood and was like. Imma watch that

[@rebeccareisman1435]

the season 2 relationship between jack and gwen in season 2 is just straight-bating

[@TheSionThomas]

Remember that cyberwoman in touchwoord? late night edge with a little cheese

[@omegatired]

Uhm, Valeyard anyone? In some alternate universe, the Doctor did take a different path ... Someday it would be nice if that addressed this. But,yeah, good analysis and Jack and John are just amazing together.

[@VixOfAllTrades]

Another great video. Really really enjoy your TW breakdowns 👍👍👍

[@DWAkhaten]

10:01 - 10:12 *Top 10 anime betrayals.*

[@jmace2424]

The opposite of Chekhov’s Gun is Deus Ex Machina.

[@lexezlao]

why is harbo so obsessed with *l o g o p o l i s*

[@mimicsforge]

If there's one thing I'm very confident in saying, it's the fact that not a single content creator who's ever advertised Raid Shadow Legends has ever actually fucking touched the game

[@CodeAndGin]

You really hate Gwen. Can't wait for the wedding episode

[@TheInternetHelpdeskPlays]

Harbo has been taken over by the dark Lord Azaroth! Terrible.

[@dakotadoyle7573]

Chekov's Blowfish

[@Nutter666]

3:17, you're welcome.

[@monstroazul3989]

We love you

[@linfraredl4906]

Giving a like based purely on how ashamed you felt for that sponsor

[@hermiona1147]

I love this episode

[@sabeaniebaby]

Resembles a lionfish. Looks nothing like a blowfish.

[@AFriendRemembers]

That time he did it better...

[@h0llowhouse453]

I’ve always wondered what the doctor would have done durin the events of children of earth (random thought) give me your visions 🧙🏿‍♂️

[@benmancais7133]

waiting for the children of earth review 😀

[@LCBK]

What is John’s jacket I’m pretty sure I’ve seen those things as tool handles in my garage, also I hate his shirt, it’s too flesh colored, it looks like he is just wearing a jacket and when it’s dirty it looks like messed up body hair

[@NoahIsCanned]

Harbo... you could you sell out to the Shadow of the Raid?

[@stephjovi]

They suck but they bag for really long and they pay a lot

[@my_name_is_artichoke]

I am a big fan of both your series and torchwood as a whole. However, I have noticed that you often don't have many trigger warnings or warnings about disturbing content. Going into this video series I had not watched torchwood and when I got to your episode about countrycide i nearly had a panic attack as I was very much underprepared for what I was getting into. I have now seen all of torchwood and while I would agree that season two is much lighter in tone as a whole there are still some very dark moments. Specifically, the episode "Adam" put me in genuine emotional distress when I first watched it and it took me five watch throughs and hours of emotional preparation before I was able to fully watch the episode (specifically the parts with Ianto after he nearly discovers Adam's secret). I'm not saying this to accuse you of anything, but I do think a lot of people underestimate how distressing some images and concepts can be for some people and I think it's important to warn people of these things so they can decided whether or not they are prepared to watch them. And even if you aren't intending to cover that specific plotline very much I still believe it's important to warn people as the mere existence of these videos are encouraging people to watch the show. To close this out though, I love the series, and I'm so happy you're covering series two.

[@laurenjcoates]

FINALLY AHH

[@peter42466]

Your only 2 years late

[@CuriousJourn]

raid shadow legends is a pile of disappointment.

[@shreyasiroy3579]

My all time favourite episode....

[@יעללוי777]

What a click bait! I thought it was about the Sacha Dhawan master!

[@ontos8914]

Why would it be the Dhawan master kinda sucks

[@About9000]

who was the real mind behind the show? cuz looking at what he did to main series who, it hardly feels like the same showrunner

[@ByddinRhyddidCymru]

I know you’ve gotta get paid, but raid shadow legends looks shit x

[@docbrown6550]

He also in the Long run Destroyed Doctor Who in the Process.

[@docbrown6550]

@Mr Doctors13 He Did

[@frazzlesreviews5379]

He didn’t

[@alexbruckshaw1448]

@@docbrown6550 I mean doctor who cannot be destroyed. Lots have tried, none has succeeded.

[@docbrown6550]

@@alexbruckshaw1448 Chibnall has and Did

[@damppuddle7341]

@@docbrown6550 could you elaborate on how?

[@Jacurutu]

Do you actually play raid? Or are you just a shill?

[@DanTheMan2150AD]

Harbo has lost all integrity. Selling out to Raid! Unbelievable.

[@stephjovi]

Raid sucks but they pay a fortune. I only know they're shit commercials and the fact that creators keep mentioning the insane amounts they were offered to shill for them. What makes them worse than other boring games?

[@InimicalWit]

I think it’s really silly to have toned down the adult nature of the show; seeing as our lead is a pansexual being whose typical exploits exist at the disapproval of the family friendly Doctor. It can be the self aware it tries to be; but the adult themes of the show deserved not to be hindered by an effort to make the show accesible to a younger audience. I mean, if you want a spin-off show that’s accesible to a younger audience, then make one for that. (R.I.P. “Class”). This show could have been a rival to “Being Human” (2008-2013) if it had allowed itself to be. Instead, Being Human is what Torchwood suggested it would be.

[@EditedAF987]

Considering how edgy and try hard series 1 was, I don’t think the writing team were ready to properly handle such extremely mature themes yet. At least Children of Earth and the Big Finish audios handled adult concepts more smartly and maturely.

[@InimicalWit]

@@EditedAF987 I’ve listened to a lot of Big Finish for Doctor Who and been very pleased with how they handle the tone for the different areas whose “holes” they fill. There’s just so much of it, tho; I stopped listening a while ago as my passion shifted slightly. It’s nice to hear that a fan of Torchwood is similarly pleased with how Big Finish have handled them; it gives me some reassurance, should I get back into it.

[@stephjovi]

@@EditedAF987 series one was extremely about sex. Series 2 has more story. They're still omnisexual (I think pan is the 21st century version that limits itself to humans because they haven't met sexy aliens like the doctor yet 😇)

[@DontSigh]

A character can be pansexual but also family friendly. Those things have nothing to do with each other. Regardless, even though the tone shifted slightly, it was not a drastic shift at all. It's not like season 1 was ever like Being Human, it executed the "adult" themes way too badly for that (see Day One), and it was always too camp for that kind of comparison. Season 2 just made a choice of direction and made things more consistent.

[@stephjovi]

@@DontSigh of course a pansexual or omnisexual character can be family friendly. But an alien sex gas seems less family friendly

[@cherrymushroom]

Ah yes Chris Chibnall ripping off the S2 version of Spike from Buffy the Vampire Slayer so much so that James Marsters even played him. The embarrassing thing is how John is so unoriginal yet one of the best and most memorable Torchwood villains for James Marsters alone.

[@isabellaearnhardt6380]

😁

[@williamg209two]

i thought this ep was about the master? but it was about torchwood? dislike for the lies

[@larannaslore116]

I enjoy your vids but your title is complete click bait. I felt it had barely any resemblance to your topic. Wasn’t expecting a torch wood vid

[@HarboWholmes]

Do I or do I not compare Jack and John to The Doctor and The Master on multiple occasions?

[@larannaslore116]

@@HarboWholmes you mention comparisons but with a title like that I expected it to all be about the Master not an episode review with occasional pointing out of how jack & John mimic the doctor & the master. A title like ‘Torchwood S2E1 review with a new spin on the Master’ would have been more honest. Like I said I like your stuff just felt deflated as the episode went on as I love the Master & click anything he’s mentioned in.

[@yaboitoj9409]

:)