Ryzen Gaming Laptops just got Faster - Windows 24H2 Performance

[@Blade332]

I don't understand, "is it worth it?". Regardless of performance uplifts, the updates are coming for you eventually. A 10% gain in performance is nothing to sneeze at, and is actually crazy that it's even "possible". AMD has been gimped, and now their processors are even better - sweet. You will have to update to the newest windows eventually, like it or not. So let's take the win.

[@DollyRanch]

24H2 kills WMR support, and some people may have just dropped $800 bucks on an HP Reverb G2...

[@racerex340]

​@@DollyRanch how many people really got on the WMR train though? That said, Microsoft has given us a roughly a year to prepare for WMR deprecation, 24H2 shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that would care. I do admit that unlike major service packs from win7 and prior days, I don't see how it's really feasible to avoid 24H2 forever in order to keep WMR from dying, modern Windows update just isnt built to be able to sidestep major updates for long.

[@DollyRanch]

@@racerex340 when you say microsoft has given "us" a year, I literally didn't know about it till yesterday. How did MS let us know? HP has happily been selling headsets knowing this meanwhile

[@DollyRanch]

@@racerex340 additionally, I know half a dozen flight simmers including myself affected by this who purchased headsets within the last three years. Now it's just a waste of plastic and electronics

[@Blade332]

@@DollyRanch Apparently deprecation has been known since December last year. Last headset dropped for this was in 2020. 4 years isn't a long time for sure, and that sucks, but there's a reason it's being deprecated. If you choose not to update apparently it will work through 2026. I guess in this use case, upgrading might not be the best for you.

[@nightryder21]

Never thought Hardware Canucks go into a tinfoil hat theory and dismiss the gains he actually found.

[@Keiseru]

Like many here i dont interstand "is it worth it" either. Its free? What is there to compare value to? 10% would have been an okay generational uplift for a CPU - and now we're getting it for free! And even if HW canucks seem to hate copilot for some reason, there's no reason not to upgrade windows. Eventually everyone will have to anyway, due to security updates. The negative attitude to updating windows was not well explained and seemed pretty unfounded.

[@dementgosier]

The comments get me crazy like their no watch the video. Pfff that make no sense to claim this video IS click bait, very game gain fps for free like you Say. What they want 😢

[@ich_16]

yeah FREE with billion bloatwares noice 👍

[@maperez12]

But for now you can get the optional update to get the performance boost in 23H2 instead of updating.

[@flat_stickproductions209]

As an actual laptop expert, I am running 24H2 and there is no issues vs 23H2. Battery life, bloat and everything works as normal. There is no downside to that gain in performance. I am running a 2024 G14 so I don't have a whole lot of power to go around.

[@HardwareCanucks]

Good to know. We've had some latent issues with some elements and 24H2 like random crashes in some software and games which we couldn't really recreate normally...so I couldn't blame it directly on 24H2.

[@flat_stickproductions209]

​@@HardwareCanucksboth versions for me were fairly gutted in services and tasks, so that may be difference. I disable everything I dont use so I have maximum resources available and maximum battery life.

[@TECHNIKVERBOT]

8:50 you do realise, the Copilot+ features are only shipping on brand new hardware with NPUs having a minimum of 40 TOPS?

[@pnthim]

Yeah...about that. Some of these features will be available to existing x86 based PC's w/o NPU. Can't wait for people to debloat these features (Recall specifically)

[@mindsunwound]

I don't understand why people are still recommending using Windows in 2024. The advice for every Windows issue should be the same: Wipe your drive and install Linux... Or buy a Macbook instead of a PC if you don't plan to ever play games.

[@techd9154]

Not upgrading to 24H2 is such a bad take! It's fine to wait a little while for bugs to be resolved but any amount of tangible performance improvement is worth the upgrade, considering you'll eventually have to upgrade when 23H2 is EOL. Most people do not have to worry about Copilot+ features, and if you don't want Recall which at least for now is OPT IN you can still uninstall it or disable it. You also should have tested 23H2 with September patches that has the updated schedular rather than continuing to use the preview patches.

[@HardwareCanucks]

That was the point, maybe I didn't enunciate it well enough. There's no reason to jump to it now before we know what the overall impact is....the performance is random so therefore there's a good possibility that the games you play wouldn't see any impact whatsoever and meanwhile you'll have downloaded an update that really wasn't necessary.

[@techd9154]

@@HardwareCanucks While true, its generally safer to wait a few weeks after a major release i.e. 24H2, that point was not clear. It would have been better to show that 24H2 is not needed to get the performance improvements if you install 23H2 September patches for the few games that see an improvement. 24H2 has a lot of improvements to Settings and continued deprecation of Control Panel, depending on who you ask that a good or bad thing. While not necessary for Gamers 24H2 does have some quality-of-life improvements, ignoring Copilot/Recall.

[@supernova874]

They don't dismiss the gains , just providing awareness that the gains not worthy for so many features "pushed" like copilot and will make the pc work even slower in many cases.

[@HardwareCanucks]

Thanks for adding context. However, we haven't encountered any performance degradation in everyday usage...the conclusion is therefore open-ended. Take a wait and see approach rather than jumping onto 24H2 with the assumption the games you play will see any performance increases.

[@hdz77]

I only use windows for gaming and internet browsing on my PC, no personal info, no banking. no personal documents or anything personal. I have a Laptop with Linux for that.

[@fooboomoo]

As a Linux user, I am happy that I can ignore news like this. I have a Windows 11 VM and crazy how much you have to do to clean it of gunk.

[@shoobadoo123]

Same. Windows desktop and linux laptop has proven to be a great combo

[@churro6160]

the only thing I learned from this video is that Windows 10 is irrelevant 😔

[@HardwareCanucks]

Sadly, moving a laptop backwards to Windows 10 tends to break a lot of stuff. Ironically, those things don't break or have community work around when moving to an alternative Linux distro.

[@corey7219]

​@HardwareCanucks I'm sticking with my 2021. The last g14 that supports windows 10

[@racerex340]

​@@HardwareCanucksI still have so many machines running Windows 10. 2 of our four gaming rigs updated to 11 over the past 18 months as two different family members got duped by the Win11 upgrade disguised as a regular Windows update and they weren't paying close enough attention. Unfortunately I don't have two completely identical builds to test, but it's pretty obvious that Windows 10 has always been faster on a lot of games than Windows 11 is. I'm sure there are some new titles that could be faster on Win11, but I haven't personally run across any that seem to be, at least not noticeably so.

[@r0senberg_]

So since I'm using r5-5600h (zen3), it isn't worth updating right?

[@blackhorseteck8381]

I have a Ryzen 7 6800H and the updates introduced core parking for half of the threads when idling, the battery lasts longer and I didn't see any performance degradation so far.

[@ETophales]

The testing is very much appreciated. The conclusion is a little strange, as everyone has commented.

[@HyBlock]

Stop fearmongering people, you can simply uninstall copilot.

[@ich_16]

suuuuure lol

[@HyBlock]

@@ich_16 yes you can, just like every other windows component, if you have half a brain.

[@metamon2704]

Strange that you say the KB5041587 update wasn't pushed to your laptops, I have an older Ryzen laptop (5800H) and I got that update and it was installed on the 28th of August.

[@greyraven9164]

What does he mean with no tangible difference!!??? lol so 10% boost for mid-range laptop is not big enough for him to update and turn off the bloat wear? What would a real performance boost that would get him to update....25%? u wont get that with a newer CPU gen xD

[@ich_16]

HUH ? 10% in some games not all of them , and some barely any uplift

[@greyraven9164]

@@ich_16 10% is huge even if in some games.... its silly to say its NOT worth it... upgrading to a cpus gives you like 11% uplift lol

[@cyprusdaedalus]

If you use a windows MR headset (Reverb G2, etc) keep in mind this update will brick your device permanently as 24H2 no longer supports any WMR devices...

[@MKR3238]

Insanely scummy move from MS At least open source that shit But your device is not bricked (as in hardware) you can still use it on an older build

[@HardwareCanucks]

Didn't know about that.....no idea why they would not just send it to open source instead of killing it with an update...

[@chiranjalitha5596]

Does the Zen 3+ based Ryzen 6000 series also get these improvements in Win 11, because you mentioned Zen 3 and onwards architecture based APUs get performance buff? Because I don't see most channels even consider 6000 series due to it being exclusive to mobile chips. I have a Ryzen 7 6800H but I'm using Win 10 cuz I don't like to use Win 11 due to its issues at release.

[@superpandabacon]

Yes! A laptop I have! I got the Omen- finally, I can relate to a laptop video from you guys lol. If you guys find the omen 16 on sale, it really is the best of both worlds. Awesome gpu, and apu in one. I had a lightning in a bottle moment when I got it on clearance for just over $1k. Now I that I want one for the gf, I can't find it in stock anymore lol

[@WeeeAffandi]

I wonder if the gains would increase if you limit the TDP to ~25W (for better temps / acoustics)

[@Makotwinsen]

What about power usage, about noise, the impact on battery life in a like for like constrained gaming load ? (for me the peak perf analysis is irrelevant)

[@eda2000-r8h]

Thing u said is hardware stuff, and this video talking about software😮‍💨

[@Makotwinsen]

​​@@eda2000-r8hefficient hardware is linked to good software. If it really use new advanced branch prediction it should be more efficient

[@Makotwinsen]

@@eda2000-r8h Efficient power management can come from software. If it really activate advanced branch prediction (hardware feature btw) it should be more efficient

[@mariussm7797]

Microsoft needs to understand something: NOT EVERYONE CARES ABOUT AI. Not only that Microsoft basically forced AMD/Intel to make AI chips, which are more expensive and overpriced because of that AI. Microsoft, AMD and Intel needs to rethink this strategy. We need Windows 11 AI Edition and Windows 11 Classic Edition (0 AI). We need Lunar Lake & Strix Point chips with NPU (AI) and the same chips and performence without NPU at a decent price. Again I'm saying not everyone cares about AI, and I don't want to be forced to use it or pay more for something that I don't want.

[@eda2000-r8h]

Make 2 thing cost money for big company like them, so yeah

[@mariussm7797]

@@eda2000-r8h it's the same thing. One with NPU, one without. So it should not cost them more money. They just take out the NPU.

[@zen_620]

is the "Core isolation" disabled on all the testings ? ( 23H2 and 24H2 )

[@NootNoot.]

With Arrow Lake coming soon, can't imagine the work that will be going into validating all previous CPUs for gaming tests on 24H2.

[@davitdavid7165]

How is igpu gaming affected?

[@HardwareCanucks]

Technically the iGPU-specific performance shouldn't be affected since those would be GPU limited rather than affected by CPU scheduler limitations.

[@Aerobrake]

imagine laptops coming with a Ryzen 7 9855HX3D 8c 16t and Ryzen 9 9955HX3D 16c 32t, next year or the year after, I wonder if AMD will do that for laptops

[@Workaholic42]

Every Windows release is the most bloated Windows release ever.

[@heezflash]

Updated today rysen 5800x3d and im seeing a uplift for sure BUT there is massive disadvantage using 24h2 and that is tabbing out sn into games ,we are talking a blackscreen that lasts for up to 5 sek, really sucks

[@Matty-rn5gt]

Did the update yesterday. Works great!

[@HardwareCanucks]

Good to hear!

[@NightFoxZero]

I've been wanting to update my system to windows 11 for years at this point but Microsoft is like "nope, f you" because I don't have a TPM 2.0 motherboard and I don't want to go through the hassle of finding an exploit to get around the requirements

[@eda2000-r8h]

Nah, if u want to update it, just do it (use rufus so u dont have to worry about tpm), but keep in mind that win 11 took more ram to run than win 10 (if ur pc have less than 8gb ram then don't up to win11)

[@Eddie_Li]

I had no idea there was a mobile x3d part till i watched this

[@andyderp6473]

Me looking around for the new Noctua 140mm review.

[@WurldReel]

After this update my 7640hs runs on 4.3ghz+ on balance mode!

[@JoJoDramo-ih7qk]

That sad moment when you use Linux and won't be able to download free performance. (because you only use FOSS performance)

[@eda2000-r8h]

What, windows nerf ryzen performence don't mean it affect linux bro, and still a lot of people said ryzen run way WAY better on linux

[@abdullahzafar4401]

Strix G15 Advantage Edition ...?

[@jayros]

We are still missing a Win10 Oct2024 vs Win11 Oct2024 comparison. Since Win10 was already presenting between 5% to 10% better performance than Win11.

[@criminalcuteness3952]

Does this extend to older cpus too? I have a zen 3 desktop and a zen 3+ laptop

[@ivonakis]

As far as I understand the situation - it does. However if you are on win 10 - you won't see benefits. 23h2 was a downgrade, and this only claws back the lost performance.

[@JonathanBhagan]

did the update affect power consumption and heat ?

[@HardwareCanucks]

It did not in our experience. At least not to an appreciable amount. Looking at the logs, temperatures, fan speeds and overall output characteristics, the games that saw the most benefits had a SLIGHT increase in CPU temperature (1-2 degrees overall) due to higher utilization but otherwise nothing that would have impacted usability.

[@prashut]

Will it improve AI iGPUs?

[@sklynexd]

Not the real hardware canucks person. The sponsor spot was the real person

[@BrownieX001]

This is really good for Windows 11. I am not a fan of it for personal use though. Still waiting for SteamOS desktop.

[@Amp_Edition]

Intel benefits from it also, Steve from hardware unboxed showed it...either way, this update is welcome! Nice review!

[@HardwareCanucks]

Not that we have seen on both the laptop and desktop side.

[@VicharB]

All this is good, but frankly speaking I am more excited and thankful for AMD Fluid Motion Frames (AFMF) 2 technology ... allows me play some games on my 7840U with RDNA2 graphics (LOL). Otherwise, I have a desktop AMD 7700X with RTX 3080 Ti for proper gaming (need to upgrade this card in a years time).

[@2ndincommand]

I think it would be interesting to see if Intel laptops also get any gains

[@blueeyednick]

Imagine how much better would AMD look if Windows wasn't garbage software

[@handlemonium]

Do these gains apply to Zen4 desktop desktops as well?

[@TheMightyPajaro]

Yes.

[@racerex340]

Yes

[@Act1veSp1n]

I'm switching to linux on my new build, windows will just be on a USB so I could play games

[@corey7219]

Windows 11 iot ltsc 24h2 is officially out

[@FatetalityXI]

It's free performance lmao. I can't imagine this notion of 'is it worth it'.

[@eda2000-r8h]

Simply, Microsoft junk pre-install, battery drain like crazy, and keep re-install itself when u uninstall it

[@ich_16]

FREE with filled bloatware junk system ? yeah no not worth it hf uninstalling the junk if you can itfp

[@manino12345]

Please compare against windows 10 video is incomplete without this.

[@rch5395]

Wouldn't trch savy people disable mitigations?

[@alex9893s]

Is this applicable for hx 370?

[@WolvenSpectre]

Windows 10 and Windows 11 share a license so exactly how is it 'unrealistic'.

[@HardwareCanucks]

A lot of modern laptops have compatibility issues when moving backwards to Windows 10. A lot, not ALL. Their drivers, software, etc were built with Windows 11 compatibility in mind and while its technically possible to move to Windows 10, its not something we can actively promote due to potential major issues on some (not all) systems.

[@tuckerhiggins4336]

Yet Windows 10 still holds 2/3 of the market, gotta love Microsoft

[@willgart1]

what about the battery usage?

[@HardwareCanucks]

We will be getting to that in a completely separate video.

[@juliabel67]

Am I the only one with 0% performance gain?

[@HardwareCanucks]

Like I said it really has to do with system to system differences.

[@ARCx9]

What about Intel?

[@eldardb]

Sorry for being a jerk, but Jarrod's tech already did a video on this weeks ago, although he didn't do it on final release so you do have a point.

[@scottstamm7022]

Alienware M18 R1 Ryzen 7945HX and Radeon RX 7900M would have been a nice tester.

[@Droidrb]

You are going to recommend not updating to an update that will eventually install on all Windows computers. 😅

[@HardwareCanucks]

Its still possible to run 23H2 without any problems and it will remain so provided you don't mistakenly install 24H2 while also having Auto Update disabled.

[@ivv3393]

I hope you guys start adding linux when comparing.

[@MM420gang]

no reason for copilot on my legion go

[@engahmednofal]

thanks

[@Frame16Gaming]

Just skip to 4:24

[@r-rtz]

What happened to the Indian guy?

[@AyaWetts]

I've been lazy and running Windows for several things, although I can do everything I need in Linux... think I'm just going to wipe Windows with all that copilot junk and stop using it altogether.

[@HardwareCanucks]

That's the crux of the Linux matter isn't it? If you can do everything you need on Linux or MacOS, Windows becomes absolutely pointless not because it's particularly bad....it's because Microsoft has simply tried to do many things with a single OS.

[@henryliu5566]

Another freaking ad.

[@Kate.000]

ew W11..........

[@MaheerKibria]

You guys used to be a good channel but holy shit you’ve gone downhill. You show real performance uplift but give negatives that you don’t test even though you could.

[@enihi]

After seeing all the benchmarks I'm really considering going back to Windows 10.

[@nightryder21]

24H2 gives you all the performance benefits of Windows 10. If you want you can disable some of the additional security features in W11 that are not in W10 and get the same performance.

[@michaelan9688]

Conclusion doesn't make sense at all and doesn't follow from all the hard work and testing done

[@HardwareCanucks]

It makes total sense. How can we recommend an update wherein the results are so random and very situationally dependent?

[@Yowise-q8k]

"Big framework" - 2-3% .... COME ON. IT ISN'T BIG. JUST WINDOWS UPDATE CAN CAUSE THIS. Wtf is wrong with you saying it's a huge change if statistically marginal error is considered to 5%?!

[@tride.design]

So don't get this free performance update because of free AI updates that you will get anyway??? It's like "don't get outside because sun can damage your skin".

[@jojobamtb1]

W.t. actual f? 1st of april video?

[@TiberiuLupescu]

Wtf is with that take at the end?!

[@HardwareCanucks]

That's the take. Because of the randomness, its very hard to recommend outright.

[@legendaryroker951]

Yeah ok

[@jimchen319]

Another click bait, where is the really content the channel used to provide?

[@HardwareCanucks]

Where's the click bait exactly? The description is EXACTLY what's in the video.

[@PBA8]

Who's the scammer hiring ppl to talk about pc topics and pocketing most of the money?

[@timweydert3490]

The conclusion of this video does not match the analysis at all. Wtf

[@HardwareCanucks]

Why? 24H2 has baggage...a lot of people, myself included don't feel like that's worth the very random performance benefits in most situations.

[@z_wulf]

What is this take at the end? Please stick to benchmarking hardware, if you don't understand how software works. Trojan Horse? What?

[@HardwareCanucks]

This isn't a software vs hardware thing. Immediately jumping onto a huge new update like this is a big risk since fundamentally changes a lot of elements within the Windows 11 OS and adds new features. Its a risk / reward thing and when it comes to performance, since the uplifts and overall benefits seem to be quite random, the best bet for a lot of people will be to hold off unless there's proof that the games they play are directly impacted.

[@Wazguu]

im really fast, guess i can tell her im faster in something else now

[@Zedris]

First🎉

[@hotdogsarepropaganda]

even with this update windows 10 is still faster XD