Is The Nvidia App Hurting Gaming Performance?

[@Hardwareunboxed]

Nvidia are aware of the issue and are working on a fix. For now they recommend disabling game filters and photo mode as we showed in the video

[@CoCo.-_-]

thanks for making this issue more known, i had noticed this back with experience and reported it back then did not know it was fixed, also noticed it with the app when it first went into beta, i run without filters on with overlay on

[@reniervandermerwe]

didnt know losing 2fps is an issue

[@GameplayUnboxed]

​@@reniervandermerwewhen it's 58 vs 60 then it's an issue.

[@Paister2]

When will you drop the best X870 motherboards video?

[@18andAboveV]

wasnt the original post specifically pointing out UE5 games like wukong and talos principle 2 as the most affected? why were UE5 games excluded from the test?

[@jonessii]

The solution is obvious, just buy a another Nvidia GPU to handle the overlay

[@LiraeNoir]

Especially right now, it's the perfect time to buy a new Nvidia Geforce card.

[@RockTFKon]

Exactly how the sheeple work.

[@schabigerlump]

the more you buy the performance you save. for our greedy filtrrs.

[@MattSump]

Bring SLI back, I want to sell my car and buy 2 5090s!

[@1madfitter]

Need you a new 5090 to make that app and overlay sing! Lol.

[@Decoy.Octopus-1]

How about Windows Gamebar overlay? Would love to see ALL popular overlays tested. Steam, EA, Discord etc

[@thebolsta]

Gamebar does have an impact. I noticed a significant improvement, and fewer frame drops in VR after disabling it. 14700k, RTX 3090, Reverb G2, Win10

[@real_ddmxm]

Yeah, I had the same idea. It's quite possible that we're losing a lot of performance on overlays that aren't really needed. Especially if you combine all the typical gamer overlays.

[@jilherme]

I was seeing a live test from Adrenaline, and when the Steam "friend is playing x game" the FPS tanked a little on F1 benchmark

[@27455628]

I too curious, hopes someone can test that

[@chopvvs]

Please do this!! Also include Steam FPS overlay.

[@ElijsDima]

Pft no, but gaming is hurting the nvidia app performance. Priorities.

[@stennan]

It is running remote AI tasks for the clients that are paying Nvidia "real money". Us gaming peasants are just housing the AI-cards on Nvidias behalf.

[@seek6044]

😂Hilarious 😂

[@花XOI]

​@@stennan there's that AI RTX Color algorithm apparently. I did try it once I believe but eh, it's unnecessary.

[@criznittle968]

true but sad

[@JohnDoeWasntTaken]

@@stennan This is your brain on schizophrenia.

[@iamadiduzz]

While we’re on this topic, it’s time to finally debunk how NVIDIA 3D settings truly impact game performance. There’s a lot of misinformation out there, especially on KZbin, regarding NVIDIA settings and Windows optimizations-like turning HAGS or Game Mode off. It’s time to put these so-called ‘optimization’ videos to rest once and for all

[@Muppet-kz2nc]

If you're watching an "optimization" video without any before and after benchmarks, that's on you.

[@seek6044]

There have been detailed testing and benchmarks but it's old data. It needs to be constantly renewed because of software and hardware changes.

[@MLWJ1993]

Default settings are the most optimised without severe quality impact. Optionally you can expand the shader cache size. I wouldn't touch the rest unless on a per game basis & you know what you're doing (I.E. forcing Anisotropic Filtering, enhancing or overriding Anti Aliasing, using Low Latency mode).

[@omen_apollo]

Nvidia 3D Setting do actually make a difference even if it is very minor. You can get a slightly higher 3DMark score by changing a few setting there. That’s only a synthetic benchmark though but that’s still proof it’s doing something

[@Crazzzycarrot-qo5wr]

Title: "HOW TO INCREASE YOUR FPS IN COD!": The video: Disable Windows animations!

[@floppa9415]

I swear, using electron or any other "chrome masking as a desktop app" should land you jail.

[@donsly375]

who is your daddy, boy

[@Jojo_Tolentino]

And also some UWP apps are moving to PWA so you’re running more chromium based web apps lmao

[@julfy_god]

real

[@semick4729]

Electron is very easy to develop in but should be really only used in some basic apps that do not sit constantly on. It's annoying that Spotify and discord are also made on that

[@TurntableTV]

What happened to C/C++ devs? Are they extinct? I don't understand as to why you would chose electron over C/C++.

[@Odjur]

Totally unrelated to the video, but you have a small resonance in that particular room at that desk from that microphone's recording position. Using an EQ filter at 130 Hz with a Q of 8 and a gain of -6 dB clears it up!

[@Andytlp]

found audio nerd. upvoot even though i dont hear it.

[@El_Deen]

@@Andytlp probably need headphones to hear it

[@Andytlp]

@@El_Deen I do have hd600 and dedicated amp dac. The audio seems sus but i dont seem to hear something odd on the lower end. Since the headphone is more analytical and doesnt do low end well unless driven to perfection or EQ'd properly or both. I'm not a bass head though. Prefer great mids and highs which these do out of the box.

[@nevolence]

@@Andytlp You're an audio nerd yourself 😂 Good on both of you tho, being knowledgeable in that stuff is cool as hell

[@UnderratedKitchen]

8:30 for the results

[@Garde538]

Legend

[@quitee_misty]

Godbless

[@bjornareriksen]

Much obliged 🙏

[@MeatbagSlayerHK47]

Legend

[@MeatbagSlayerHK47]

🙏

[@dmr87]

You need a 5090 to run the app flawlessly

[@HaunchoJackHD]

Until the update that requires the 6090 for acceptable performance

[@Ronel_9719]

😆

[@danielstormy3660]

But only without Ray tracing on dude.

[@Ronel_9719]

@@danielstormy3660 😂😂😂

[@The_Noticer.]

Its a CPU load, notice the CPU heaviest games being the most impacted.

[@MusiCradles]

Love these tests

[@airwalker9557]

Now a video on Perfromance impact of RTX HDR with comparison pictures/footage to no HDR and native HDR would be great.

[@Al_Lergic]

Nah, next we need a video about AMD Adrenalin.

[@westpz]

Would love to see MSI Afterburner Overlay performance impact next.

[@superqaxclub]

Then how can you measure FPS?

[@AleksiJoensuu]

@@superqaxclub Capture the output, then count the frames?

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

@@AleksiJoensuu HUB isn't digital foundary lol

[@ClarkCan]

If you're using it to underclock and/or power limit your GPU, then that test about as useful as measuring Windows performance impact. You won't be runnning any games without it in the first place, so it working in the background is a baseline experience. Yeah, you could also probably unhook Riva Tuner, but if you want to monitor frametimes, temperatures or memory usage easily, then it's not worth it, and so again: it becomes a baked-in cost when PC gaming. Edit: To be clear I'm not against the test, and I'd like to see the results of it. But it's lower on the priority list, maybe test other overlays/apps first.

[@Miguel-th3wx]

@@superqaxclub RivaTuner. It doesnt need MSI Afterburner

[@gsmorgansen]

I am glad that someone else is having issues with this app. My experience is that with the app installed, one of my flight simulators becomes completely non-functional during loading. The simulator stutters, freezes and finally crashes. I will try your suggestion of turning off photo mode and filters.

[@GdnMaW]

Thanks for testing this. I originally saw this reported by Tom's Hardware and to say I am disappointed in their article is an understatement. I found the article to be very sensationalist and the testing they did was very surface level - they only tested app installed vs app not installed. The reporting, testing and conclusions in this video is heads and shoulders above old written tech media.

[@sammiller6631]

You mean the same Tom's Hardware whose editor said "Just Buy It" and "When your whole life flashes before your eyes, how much of it do you want to not have ray tracing?" That whole article was a FOMO brick to the face.

[@MNaka-uf9yz]

Overlay/Photo mode probably does the same thing as what Reshade is doing: depth and screen analysis to gather data for advanced shader filters, they need to disable it or modify its code to avoid running that data gathering when you don't have any filter, but again, this might prove difficult because if you allow filters to be enabled on the fly, safely injecting it while the game is running might be quite difficult to do.

[@akaGodrih]

ReShade and filter mode inside Nvidia Overlay created by the same person, so.

[@Muppet-kz2nc]

Reshade has a Performance mode toggle for this. You're supposed to check it off after you've set your filters. Compute is a zero sum game. If you are consuming compute it will be offset somewhere else.

[@MNaka-uf9yz]

@@Muppet-kz2nc The performance toggle you see in reshade has another purpose: shaders pre-compilation to optimise their ressource impact with the trade-off of not being able to configure them on the fly. All the data analysis done by reshade still exists but it is way more flexible: you can toggle some plugins on and off, for instance the depth buffer plugin that gives you lots of infos for many shaders using depth (HDR, Lighting, Ambient occlusion...)

[@Jakiyyyyy]

And still Nvidia filters are much easier to use than the Reshade itself lamo. It definitely affect the fps by rendering real time too. I wonder if brightness slider provided by the game itself vs brightness slider with Nvidia, which do you think will impact the performance more? 🤔

[@Natraj_Chaturvedi]

I don't know if I am imagining it but some of these filters like sharpening or brightness or detail seem to be more resource intensive than they used to be with the older app. I wish it was tested too in the video.

[@ScreamerRSA]

I found that it is a CPU overhead. If you are GPU limited the FPS hit is lower. CP2077 at 1080 High on my system went from 230 FPS to 250 FPS with the Nvidia APP uninstalled.

[@kanta32100]

Overlays work the same as cheats for games. They attach themselves to every frame, and execute new code. This sounds bad even in theory.

[@panjak323]

​@@kanta32100you can do that pretty quickly though, reshade has zero overlay when hooked and no filters are applied.

[@AngryChineseWoman]

Have you tested with the photo/filters setting off as suggested in the video ? Love your profile pic btw

[@r13hd22]

A game overlay is a graphical display. It literally cannot happen without using some of the GPUs resources to render. Yes, it will also use some CPU for the code to work. I really do not understand how it is so many people do not understand that any overlay is going to be using resources a top tier game would be using if it was not running...literally anything you have running on your system that is actively using resources can impact game performance.

[@Boom3120]

I love your profil picture

[@HD-fc4ds]

what about steam overlay tho? There has been rare problems with it, requiring to disable it. Now we got basically 3 overlays, steam, windows, nvidia.

[@mz00956]

you could install even more xD

[@Natraj_Chaturvedi]

No steam is Valves bread and butter now and it's programmed very well. Even using a resource intensive feature like game replay, it runs on dedicated cpu core and impacts game perf very little.

[@CLV.]

Not the entire list of simultaneously running overlays: MPO in Windows (for overlaying volume control and other displays in games) + Xbox Game Bar in Windows + Discord + Steam (or even Steam launching a game in Ubisoft launcher) + Nvidia + And here, add another useless overlay from buggy applications like Razer, Asus, MSI, and other second-rate software.

[@mjc0961]

@@Natraj_Chaturvedi It's not programmed well at all. The scaling option doesn't work and I can't read the tiny achievement notifications on my 4K display.

[@gondorianslayer4250]

@@CLV. thats overkill on the gpu dude.

[@NetshadeX]

The optimized settings are also hit and miss. For instance: Indiana Jones becomes unplayable at 34 fps, and Forza Horizon 5 is set to DLSS performance when I can comfortably run it at native 4K max settings.

[@Koozwad]

yeah don't ever use them, they are BS use optimised settings videos instead from video channels that focus on it

[@mjc0961]

Every feature from GeForce Experience was useless bloatware, so I easily solved the problem by never installing it. It's really annoying that Nvidia is going to take Control Panel away and force us to use Nvidia App which has all that same GeForce Experience bloat I don't want. I don't need filters, I don't need Photo Mode, I don't need fake HDR, I just need driver settings and to play my dang games. The bloatware should remain separate, not forced onto all users.

[@alkestos]

@@mjc0961 You can just save the Nvcontrol panel exe and use it with new drivers. thats what i did when i didnt want to install the store version of nvidia control panel

[@paulelderson934]

​@@mjc0961 You have full control over which of these features you want to be active. Not having two driver apps with separate dev cycles is a good thing.

[@dreamqore]

imagine with have AI for everything but it cant read your specs and find the perfect settings 💀

[@jr-qj6xw]

Posted this on Reddit as well, but thought it might be interesting to share here. I'm still on Windows 10 with a 5800X3D + 4070 Ti rig, and installed Nvidia App 1.0 on the first day of official release (11/12/2024). After doing so, there was a significant increase in the "working in background" spinning-wheel-next-to-pointer icon + accompanying CPU cooler fan ramp -- even during day-to-day work tasks (backend editing of a Wordpress website). These symptoms went away after I downloaded the 566.03 (previous) driver, ran DDU in safe mode, and reinstalled the previous driver + GeForce Experience. CPU overhead is probably something else to look at once Nvidia ships a fix.

[@randy89555]

I'm on 7800x3d + 3070, installed Nvidia app 6 months ago, on windows 11 compact, didn't notice anything like that while code compilation or working on pdfs

[@343RuinedHalo]

I cannot believe how bad the optimizations have become with these new baby developers running the entire gaming industry into the toilet.

[@Koozwad]

not just that, a lot of software is suffering big time too like the Steam client - same for majority of websites

[@gabrielandy9272]

@@Koozwad steam is still very well made, you may only have issues if you run beta mode as when they test new stuff it can be broken a litttle bit, but the new interface is really well made and optmized.

[@lain6889]

No point having both control panel and the new app installed when control panel has all the options, including options the new app doesn't have.

[@Coolmouse777]

There is no RTX HDR filter in control panel

[@H3LLGHA5T]

Control panel will be removed at some point as well, Nvidia App already has pretty much everything you need from control panel anyway, whatever's left from control panel will still be acessible in Inspector.

[@scoopminator]

control panel has been the same since I was born

[@Koozwad]

yeah the new nvidia application is a downgrade for anyone tech-inclined

[@mjc0961]

@@Coolmouse777 That's fine, I don't want any of these fake HDR filters that just screw up the colors.

[@wesley.zago120]

I noticed the little performance hit with the overlay enabled and i immediately disabled the feature

[@lasvista2tech]

I had the overlay inactivated since my 1070 days, nothing running in the background is worth keeping

[@ClarkCan]

The guy running a bitcoin miner on your idle threads would disagree.

[@MeatbagSlayerHK47]

Same, I’ve disabled all overlays except for Steam’s. Should I turn that one off too?

[@ZenTunE-]

@@MeatbagSlayerHK47 If you play a hard to run game, sure squeeze out all performance you can. Otherwise who cares about a bit more frames

[@DBTHEPLUG]

​@@MeatbagSlayerHK47If you see proof of the steam overlay affecting fps, you could.

[@MeatbagSlayerHK47]

@@ZenTunE- thx

[@RaccChannel]

Absolutely love the speed of testing and releasing a video - keep up the awesome work!

[@kabl00muk94]

I thought overlays/filters, etc always had a performance impact? Like literally every troubleshooting guide ever advises disabling overlays for better performance 😅

[@Krymms]

Yeah, people are only now rediscovering fire. They only noticed because filters/photo mode hits up to -15% in Wukong.

[@thelazyduck9370]

Right, but I dont think you would normally expect a setting within the overlay to have a performance impact just by being enabled, without it actually being active and doing anything to the game. It's not like he actually applied any filters, the performance hit from that is very noticeable

[@Krymms]

@@thelazyduck9370 It is running, you just don't have any effects enabled. There are effects that need stuff like depth data, which is likely getting monitored the whole time, even if the specific filter is not enabled.

[@alinzelnan]

Not just that, they may also cause stability issues especially with older games who need fan patches to work in the first place.

[@MLWJ1993]

Kind of depends on how it hooks into the process (if at all).

[@Dhruv-qw7jf]

in the testing done by Tom's Hardware, it was seen that performance regression was most significant at 1080p, and more and more negligible as you scale up the resolution, so why did you test at 1440p, and not 1080p (especially considering that the one game you did test at 1080p showed the biggest difference in your testing as well)? Also, if the difference is more significant at 1080p, could it be the case that the Nvidia app is somehow hindering CPU performance, and not GPU performance?

[@oimazzo2537]

Hopefully they will fix it. Nvidia panel and experience were pretty weird compared to catalyst

[@tog2842]

Good spot guys, appreciate it. Hopefully shining a light on it will help solve it.

[@Madmiaw]

Same as the Steam overlay at the end, desactivate it to don't be impacted.

[@Dan87z]

I just did this on baldurs gate 3. My fps went from 195-197 to 210fps on a specific area I use to test. This was on a 14900kf and rtx 4090. I disabled the filter setting and got this huge boost!!!

[@Puremindgames]

When people complain about performance being impacted you'd expect something noticable, not 2 or 3 frames with the rare outlier, which considering we're already talking over 100FPS I find hard to believe would even be noticable.

[@thespanishinquisition8628]

Does the mouse cursor visible on the left side of the screen during the Gigabyte ad (4:20) reduce performance? ;)

[@Collin_J]

Instructions unclear - my macbook now refuses to launch Word 98

[@czbrat]

Nvidia control panel users stay winning.

[@wyattwiebe9106]

I use RTX HDR in many games. The performance hit is unfortunate, but its worth it with how great RTX HDR looks.

[@charlessmith9369]

Agreed also I’m on 4080S so really didn’t even notice now the one thing I do wonder is why was my smite 2 rtx hdr working than now it says unsupported makes me wonder who to inform Nvidia our the game devs😭😊

[@viice_]

I'm more concerned that the insane amount of telemetry will affect my ping. There're running sooo many services in processes in the background, that constantly sends data to Nvidia. And the "disable nvidia telemetry" tool doesn't work since years anymore. Or at least i wasn't able to find another solution.

[@ZedDevStuff]

I can literally download a whole game in the background while playing online games on less than stellar internet. Telemetry won't do shit

[@ZeroHourProductions407]

Reminds me of the Win9x and early Windows xp era, when the only game in town to even measure framerate if the developer didn't program a method for you to see it from their product, was FRAPS. And how back then it was griped for being such a performance hit, whilst ignorant to how it could even live-record footage of your gameplay.

[@Soundmaster91]

Thanks Tim this is great content! Would be great to see how much other overlays do or do not affect performance.

[@littlegloom]

i was hoping you'd test instant replay too

[@tauheedulali2652]

The PSVR2 and perhaps other VR headsets like the Meta Quest have stuttering issues in SteamVR when game overlays like older Nvidia app and performance overlays are enabled. Could a feature be disabled to fix this issue for VR users? Ive been suggesting to exit these apps rather than disabling specific features in this video. In SteamVR disabling motion smoothing in the vrsettings file does not always fix the issue.

[@yoyothepal38]

8:27 All I’m seeing is that the GeForce experience overlay INCREASES FPS 😂

[@theowolf960]

Glad you showed where the setting is. I seriously doubt I enabled it, but it was. So, thanks for the rational approach to addressing the issue and showing where and how to correct it

[@ElectroMoe]

Thanks for being so quick with this HUB

[@hrayz]

How is the Driver Overhead now compared to the old drivers? This really impacted low core count CPU systems before.

[@TerryRed]

Overlays from almost any app is known to cause hits to fps / cause odd issues, etc. This has been the case for many years, and most older PC Gamers tend to disable Overlays unless we really need them.

[@wavion2]

Yeah, I turned that thing off the instant I saw it and said, "Cool, this'll be nice if I ever want to video capture."

[@TerryRed]

@@wavion2 Yup. Did the same.

[@gabrielandy9272]

only steam is very well programmed, its the one that uses the less performance

[@barryevans791]

This is interesting because I recently started playing Cyberpunk again on the 2.2 patch and am having a problem with the game retaining the graphics and game settings I have chosen. Could it be over-written by GeForce settings?

[@Silikone]

The old control panel may be clumsy, but it's also reliable.

[@griffin5734]

I still use it on last 566 driver. This app add nothing relevant.

[@AngryApple]

@@griffin5734 the app adds a toggle for RTX HDR and Color and a proper FPS limiter, nothing relevant for you maybe but having an HDR display and using RTX HDR for "upscaling" old games to HDR is really nice

[@DatSun.]

i'm tired of it, freezing every time you change a setting

[@eprpop]

​@@AngryAppleYou can do all of that in the old control panel.....

[@AngryApple]

@@eprpop no you cant RTX HDR isnt there that was actually the selling point when the first beta started

[@The.Jimmyboy]

How about installing JUST the drivers with NVCleanstall? Without telemetry in the background? A few years ago it was a neccesity with older or weaker CPU:s.

[@thisnametaken3735]

It's nice to see that Nvidia are aware, and fixing it. I found one other extremely minor and silly bug. Using MSI afterburner, when turning the overlay off, there's a small dip in fps and 1% lows of about 5% that only lasts 2 or 3 seconds. When I switch it back on again, there's a dip of up to 25%, again only 2 or 3 seconds. Turning the filters and photo mode on and off has a smaller dip, maybe 5% to 10% for 2-3 seconds. Both have a small affect on frametime for the same couple of seconds. None of these last more than a few seconds, and the game is back to normal almost before I can get my toon moving.

[@myyoutubecommentschannel8784]

Thanks for doing this! Agree with other commenters asking for similar testing on other popular overlays like Discord, Xbox Game Bar, and Steam

[@Johnny31323]

The reason this is happening is simply because of a bug where which Nvidia's Filters basically is still applying some kind of additional rendering either via CPU or GPU that takes additional time to render the final image resulting in FPS slowdown. Even when you don't use much of many filters, Nvidia's filters is kind of pretty good imo, and kind of nicely optimized since it only takes 3-4% of FPS, while other kind of software that does similar functions like Nvidia's Filters, like ReShade, could take more than 10% to 20% of FPS depending on the settings used. In actuallity, the best Nvidia can do here is simply not allowing any changes to the rendering while you're not using any kind of filter to the game, basically making it so there's no Perfomance being taken from enabling such a Feature without actually using it. I think Nvidia did quite a good job non-the-less. As i said, even in it's form it's way more optimized than any other ReShade DLL based via Injection Software that does the same/similar things to Nvidia Filters.

[@Jakiyyyyy]

That's what I have been thinking. And it's much much easier to use than Reshade. The only problem is that if you apply something like DXVK for example, the filters no longer detected the game anymore making it not available and usable. 🤧🥲

[@MauroTamm]

Might be also worth comparing frametime graphs. The extra hook for it might be adding delays each frame - or random instabilities

[@EvoPortal]

NOBODY wants this Bloatware \ Malware. Just give us the driver and a good control panel. NOTHING more.

[@TechGuides]

Thanks for posting this so I don't have to test this. Btw filters has long since affected performance also with the old app, that is when some filters were actually enabled ;)

[@orta64]

There's another topic that I haven't seen discussed. The fact that you can't use any recorded video using Nvidia app on MacOS. When I reached to Nvidia's support they told me that they are aware and that this was made on purpouse and that I should edit all my videos on Windows, so for me I have to stay con Geforce Now so I can record my gameplays and edit them in Final Cut Pro.

[@billysnooze6608]

Can't you just transcode the footage to ProRes or something using Handbrake or Compressor?

[@CeceNomad]

Just use OBS, Nvidia app doesn't even support h265 nor av1 lol

[@benbit]

@@CeceNomad It does support AV1 encoding on compatible cards now

[@orta64]

Hi guys, I already tryed everything and even with OBS but the main point it's that I should not be doing all of that, even with compressor or handbrake . I should just move my mp4 file like I usually do with Geforce now natively.

[@Rem_NL]

@@CeceNomad Nvidia does support av1, but uploading the file to KZbin makes it scrambled

[@walz4635]

Good video, keep these companies accountable for bad optimization and would be interested to see one for other popular gaming overlays

[@nerdhoy]

In my personal experience, Nvidia Overlay is just atrociously under-optimized and has compatibility issue with many existing programs. Turn it off at once!

[@alexlionkazan]

amd software adrenalin edition have any performance impact?

[@sda8jsdj9k121]

Bring back the 2000s custom nvidia drivers 😂

[@Koozwad]

NVCleanstall is a good start

[@cyroz1]

can you test nvidia/amd instant replay compared to obs replay buffer

[@sparhawk1228]

NVidia and Intel have been dropping the ball lately... Tired of this industry incompetence.

[@NickChapmanThe]

Does this impact all Nvidia gpus similarly? For instance, does a lower-end card have the same penalty, or would it be greater?

[@club4ghz]

I have all NVidia processes killed except those crucial for the GPU to function and run games.

[@ALAREPOTE]

What are those necessary?

[@club4ghz]

NvContainerLocalSystem NVDisplay.ContainerLocalSystem

[@psn3able]

any performance increase debloating drivers?

[@club4ghz]

@@ALAREPOTE Those that have "container" in name must stay. Everything else can go, you should figure what other do by their names and by shutting them down.

[@club4ghz]

@@psn3able Few frames more in the hundreds and less ram usage in games.

[@lollipopwee1]

Thank you for your hard work testing all this stuff!

[@Crysoft2]

For stuff like this I love this channel. I like the regular reviews but I love how special cases are always treated with care and detail.

[@TheShadowed]

What's the time between tests? What background processes did you have open? Did you clear your shader cache after every test? Too many unknown variables.

[@Koozwad]

yeah honestly they need to be more transparent about their testing methods, OS configuration etc.

[@Rem_NL]

This is not "news" to me. I used the Nvidia app since they released their open beta (months ago). I tried their filters in Cyberpunk, but could notice a pretty significant impact months ago. I have never enabled the filters since that moment. I am obsessed with visual, so I tweak my game constantly, and have countless mods installed. Already pushing my system to its limits in that game.

[@christiaanguijt522]

Thanks S... Tim!

[@H4rd5tyl3]

Have we not gone a bit overboard on the pickyness tho? 2fps impact for something extra running in the background doesn't seem completely abnormal...

[@GrillerGT]

Hmm... I don't recall ever enabling these Game filters/Photo mode but there it was active when I checked. I didn't even know it was there, so thanks for pointing this out.

[@RinateZ]

Default is enabled

[@F3rum]

It's enabled by default.

[@sufian-ben]

well, it actually asks you when installing the Nvidia App. but most of us just keep hitting the next button

[@Krymms]

To begin with it needs to be supported by the game.

[@AdityaRamesh]

Would like to know the results when Automatic Tuner is turned on and not. Also if Nvidia App was opened or not after system restart and before benchmarking.

[@liiich6175]

Generally using the overlay for me is almost 10% extra load depending on the game/amount of overlays used. But with the extra load I get a better looking game and still cap no issues. Generally I just tune the image exposure and sharpness+ settings only as in game brightness isnt as good nor is sharpness boosts in game. EDIT: at 9:46, you need to click the 'none' profile to make sure you are not impacting the GPU compared to a profile with nothing turned on.

[@Lapalaihanen]

What about the frametimes? Do those stay "clean" with the overlays on? I think thats more important than fps in these cases 😅

[@tormaid42]

This is why people were against the move away from the classic control panel. As a rule, software by big corporations only gets worse with every iteration.

[@Koozwad]

yeah and undoubtedly we will LOSE features replaced with bloat

[@NotOftenPoliteGuy]

we need ads in control panel. With old design it is difficult to implement! Nvidia

[@jscb7003]

what do you mean by nvidia app uninstalled? was it never installed on the test system or was it installed and then uninstalled?

[@sgxsaint3130]

Did you guys record your ad section using NVIDIA Overlay? Lol priceless!

[@sbtg2688]

Since upgrading to the Nvidia app, I can no longer see my PC latency, it just shows 0ms for 'Average PC Latency'. The render latency metric is fine but that's just 1000ms divided by the framerate so not that helpful, whereas PC latency is a more accurate representation of input lag. Never had this issue with GeForce Now.

[@notjustforhackers4252]

As a Linux gamer its absolutely nothing I have to worry about.

[@ruulrskybound6713]

True. They have Wayland and X11 to worry about.

[@notjustforhackers4252]

@@ruulrskybound6713 They do..... yours, a happy AMD user.

[@ChefChunky]

How about turning on instant replay/ shadow play? Does that significantly reduce performance?

[@BENTUN1T]

We already knew the overlay would do this, all the overlays do.

[@MovieGasm]

lol.

[@LurkingLarper]

Great info and pretty much seems like you should switch the photo/filters mode off to regain some of that precious FPS. Thanks Tim!

[@dotms5195]

At the very least the good ol' Nvidia Control Panel and GeForce Experience didn't have these issues.

[@RobBCactive]

They were just dog slow when you wanted to configure an application!

[@Krymms]

GFE had the same issues. People are only now rediscovering fire. Not to mention all the other issues GFE had.

[@Koozwad]

@@RobBCactive why didn't they just fix that then instead of removing features, adding bloat and calling it 'nvidia app'

[@XavierReyesNYC]

thank you for this! i started playing a game i havent played in a while and i noticed the fps was a lot lower than it used to be. now i know why

[@AnalogFoundry]

Glad I have all those filter crap disabled, I knew it was going to be detrimental to the game's performance. Remember, the more things you are running in the background that takes up CPU, GPU cycles, mem footprint, the more it's gonna affect your gaming perf.

[@speedracer2please]

How much does the instant replays feature impact performance?

[@abuslume4169]

me watching the video: turn off overlay turn overlay on but turn off photo mode turn off overlay

[@kraithaywire]

LMAOOOOOOOOO

[@JohnWalsh2019]

As clear as mud.

[@B2DRUNO]

Thanks for putting this out, as of today there is an update for the nvidia app (V11.0.1) that now has game filters disabled by default.

[@HATEregelt]

I cant disable the filters as i've tried the sweet nectar of RTX HDR, there is no going back for me anymore.

[@Safetytrousers]

There is a seperate setting for HDR in graphics/global settings.

[@HATEregelt]

@@Safetytrousers Yeah but i mostly game so i need the game filters ingame hence why i cant turn it off.

[@RockTFKon]

@@HATEregelt Indoctrination complete.

[@HATEregelt]

@@RockTFKon well if something looks better by quite a huge margin, wouldnt you also want to use it?

[@RockTFKon]

@@HATEregelt No because I play games not brightness settings.

[@LeoDavidson]

Thank you for actually testing this and narrowing down the cause.

[@zCaptainz]

Well... The more shit you install the less fps you get

[@RedOneM]

No, unless your drive is nearly absolutely full. Running applications takes a real performance hit though.

[@parlor3115]

It's when those apps are running that it impacts performance. Simply installing doesn't do anything.

[@zCaptainz]

@@parlor3115 I bet you got at least 3 programs that you installed and don't know they are running in the background Plus, NVIDIA uses a shit ton of telemetry. Even if you can't measure any fps loss, you'll get weird network glitches and get headshotted and you can't tell why

[@zCaptainz]

@@RedOneM Your comment makes no sense. Are you AI?

[@RedOneM]

@@zCaptainz You do not lose fps by installing applications, unless your drive is extremely full.

[@Kris-qx8ht]

Will it adversely effect my Philips 439P1 if I were to buy one?

[@W3RN3R318]

Read about this, Nvidia says disabling game filters and photo mode should fix the issue.

[@Jakiyyyyy]

The thing is we use the filters and recorder. Dozen care about photo mode though. 😭

[@doctor-jx2ew]

and it does

[@yaroslavchernyshov3725]

what about rtx hdr that is done through the app? Is the performance hit still massive?

[@Legitti]

Noticed it long time ago with overlay and have always turned it off on competitive games, it adds input lag.

[@gamingnfix]

A fine video including the old GeForce experience was a bonus and its really appreciated cause i use GeForce experience as the nvidia app's mic is still bugged af.

[@mechaphoenix6022]

That's still relevant. Especially for ppl that are right at the threshold fps. 2 fps is 2 fps.

[@DavianFN]

Can you still “capture last 20 mins” of gameplay with the game overlay feature turned off? Prob not right?

[@GrzybDominator]

You should also add using nvcleaninstall only driver which can give you even more performance

[@BlackParade01]

Sacrificing all features such as Shadowplay and automatic driver updates, for an extra 2 fps doesn't seem worth it to me

[@michaelbuto305]

@@BlackParade01 devil always in the details.

[@rdb1]

​@@BlackParade01You can auto-update via nvcleaninstall. Also, why kill your SSD with Shadow Play (writes to disk), just use OBS Replay Buffer (writes to RAM)

[@cajampa]

​@@BlackParade01so you have tried it and it gave you only 2 fps? On what resolution? Or did you just make that s up?

[@Koozwad]

@@BlackParade01 just use OBS and why tf would you want auto-updating? few clicks a month doing it manually, and giving you more control/insight

[@Quxer0721]

I would love to see tests done with entry level processor. Some people in comments pointed out, that this could be more taxing on CPU and Ryzen 7800X3D could be too powerful to see big impact. Maybe tests with Ryzen 7500F or Ryzen 7600 would be more inline with average user.

[@Atlink]

I can sum up this 12 minute video as this: Having the Nvidia Overlay enabled can cause a performance hit. Disabling it increases performance. On some games there can still be a very minor performance hit (1-2 FPS hit). The app itself doesn't seem to be the issue. There, I just saved 12 minutes of repeating the same thing over and over again.

[@alkestos]

No you didn't. Your TL;DR is missing critical information.

[@arbiter1]

Its game filters and photo mode specifically that do it not overlay itself.

[@Al_Lergic]

What about AMD Adrenalin?

[@Atlink]

@@alkestos Yes they do mention the filters, but the overlay still causes the hit. Since you need to have the overlay on and they still say it has a performance hit, my summary is valid.

[@Advythe]

Good topic but it is hilarious that you chose a top of the line system to test it on, which will barely get affected by these kind of things. Please do tests like these in the future on mid to low end setups or the most common ones from surveys, where it actually matters.