Harley 131ci VS Triumph Rocket 3 | HORSEPOWER BATTLE

[@triumphthunderbird1]

Great clip. The Rocket has evolved a heck of a lot too and the new variant is waaaay more powerful that the 06. It’s a masterpiece of motorcycle engineering. Massive improvements in every aspect.

[@Thefutureooksbight]

It’s very good marketing from Bert’s Harley Davidson. They let you and your friends ride the bikes make videos and advertise for free to the biker people. It’s a lot better than the lame Harley Davidson commercials on TV or KZbin Internet

[@bfairfax8772]

They do actually need to get someone to buy the bikes , at least FL isn't closed for business like the Northern part of the East Coast .For me I live in WV in the Eastern Panhandle and the larger dealers are all nearer DC , Baltimore or in N Virginia which all seem to think they'll die if they open businesses or anything else .

[@SmokeRingsPipeDreams]

After meeting Bert I now understand why he would give motorcycles to a wild hairy thundering viking like Josh. It all makes sense now. Bert's good people.

[@candymintz]

i'll have you know that the Vikings were the most economical travelers of all time, they could get 2000 miles to the galleon

[@PeterSmith-or3pq]

God bless.

[@Slking507]

@@candymintz 🤣

[@candymintz]

@@Slking507 :)

[@shadetreesurgeon]

😂😂😂

[@zacharyfett2491]

The gnarly wizard’s bike shoots fireballs. Yep, we’d expect nothing less!

[@rev.scruffy2249]

I've become a Triumph fan over the last few years and I love my Harleys.....but my vote still goes to Barf Party. It's not fast but it has character. Thanks for sharing

[@fromthebottomup3106]

Bert seems like a really cool dude. Would love to see his dealerships.

[@fivespeed3026]

Marcus Tankersley Black Widow is awesome! The best retail establishment I’ve ever been to. I bought my Harley there and wasn’t even looking to buy one. I go there every chance I get.

[@robm2907]

It's a lot cooler than Barnett Harley out here in el paso.

[@sethmmays77]

Barracuda is freaking sweet just moved down here and shade tree wasn't joking when he said they take care of folks who mention him they really do! It's freaking sweet!

[@parkwayrider5200]

Bert Rocks !!! We all appreciate you hooking our Bro up .

[@richardsharrer7950]

I live about 15 minutes from Bert's Black Widow and I absolutely love that place. I've bought two bikes there and they took care of me. I met Bert last Friday at the grand opening of the Twisted Fork and he's nothing like a corporate boss type at all. He spent the whole night partying with and meeting everyone that showed up. He wanted to get a couple of pictures with my club. I went to Bert's Barracuda last year during St. Pete bike week. Live music, vendors, partying it was a fun time. Great video as usual!

[@davehowie03]

Can confirm, Bert’s is awesome. I’ve only been there like 4 times. I’ve rented from them on two occasions and they took great care of me.

[@jered2177]

Triumph spanked the HD,good video

[@SL3315]

The wrath of the Rocket III throwing lightning bolts ... keep it weird!

[@tommyarnold890]

Holy crap! I have a Marauder. That's only the second one I've even heard of. It's my first street bike. I'm using it as a trainer while I save up for my Heritage 131.

[@SmokeRingsPipeDreams]

6:55 ... I think Josh just met his long lost father from an alternate dimension.

[@I-am-not-a-number]

Rocket lll for me

[@davehowie03]

Digging the camera cuts to Flippity Flipper’s cam when you had him come in on the conversation.

[@ChristianKustomz]

I second this 👍🏼

[@glennmassengill3532]

Yep, my next bike will be from Bert’s HD. Glad they’re letting you keep reviewing these bikes.

[@MotoDUDEabides]

I’m a motorcycle guy. Not brand loyal but own an softail standard. Both the rocket and the 131 were awesome. Great numbers for both.

[@robertwatson39]

I was surprised at the RK didn’t do as good as the Trident, mainly because of the 14 yr difference. However after being a Triumph triple guy from back in the 70’s I was chuffed at the final result. Great work guys from Down Under.

[@Firestorm637]

Rocket 3 is a unique, boutique bike. Harley’s and look alike Harley’s are on every corner

[@nicholasmcclinton8214]

I don’t know man, seeing Bert in this video really explains a lot about his businesses... and what’s crazy is that he’s more than what I could have expected.

[@Kingdlack]

Have you did a review on the 2020 Rocket 3? Would love to hear your thoughts on it! 🤘🏾

[@ShadowACE1998]

Alright Rocket III! Like LL Cool J once said, "Don't call it a comeback!"

[@thevtadventure1062]

80hp at the crank, that number is at the wheel.

[@rhetonic1]

i've only been watching Josh's channel for two days now, but i already love Bert and i will be sure to come through when in Florida.

[@ecrusch]

Bert seems like my kind of guy. And it IS very cool of him to loan you guys those bikes. As far as the Dyno #'s go, my brother had a Rocket and that thing was a Triple Cylinder BEAST. So, I'm not too surprised. I think even with a special tune, the Road King wouldn't beat those numbers. This was a REALLY cool video Shadetree.(and Flip). Thanks Eric, Kissimmee

[@dodge33445]

Hope to see you guys on the road! Cant wait til some cooler weather comes through.

[@lifeliners1]

Having a blast and riding motorcycles,that's almost illegal.you guys rock

[@upnorthrider]

The mighty Rocket 3 shows who’s boss 🤙

[@dorothytovio6975]

@user-mw5wd2gd5upretty sure it is

[@DavieJones_Lockr]

hands down my favorite episode in a long time. I love the godzilla vs Kong vs mothra vibe. I'm just an engine junkie. keep up the good work!

[@phineashenshaw]

Man, episodes like this is why I watch these videos. Other than the trash talking!!!!

[@maximilianrockefeller8854]

What is this, I wake up sunday to start prepping food for football and I get a Shadetree video?! Hell yeah!!!

[@flintlock_glockTJR]

World ALMOST feels normalish again. Kinda. Maybe.

[@richardburgess5215]

Why would you watch football ? They hate the 🇺🇸

[@flintlock_glockTJR]

@@richardburgess5215 football hates you. We're Muricans. We watch football, ride motorcycles, shoot guns, and build things out of metal and sheer will.

[@MyDyerMaker]

@@flintlock_glockTJR More power to ya. I can't stomach watching the nfl, but I do agree on everything else and hope life will get back to normal again soon. Thinking positively.

[@JTheMoneyable]

Same here. Starting to get ready for the games at 12 and well whaddya know, a Shadetree video. *Southpark* nice..

[@Bikergramp57]

The best part of the video was the fireballs coming out of the Rocket III during the decel. Your channel rocks by the way.

[@mattthegreeter9074]

I'm the obnoxiously strong coffee drinking guy now at events. A lot of people lost their jobs over at Steel Reserve 211 when I quit drinking, hahah (partially kidding). Hell, I feel better, smell better, and walk a little taller, although between the caffeine and my Dyna I'm generally quaking like a tectonic plate. Keep up the good work brother!

[@jay34ever54]

Hell yea!! The Man, Myth, the Legend Bert seemed like an awesome dude!! I totally underestimated the rocket 3, figured it being an older build but nope it wasn't having it. It just spit fire or power out!! They turning barracuda into what black widow is, thats going to be awesome! And but the way Flips bike sounded i thought it would make more!

[@richardashwood5771]

This was one of your videos to date. You hit it right on the head about Bert being old school. Imagine a HD dealer that really rides. Being the old grey beard that I am, I haven’t seen a dealer that has heart and not just a corporate cookie cutter way of doing business. I will definitely stop by his place if I ever get to FLA again. Josh, you must be a hell of a person. Everybody that you bring into your circle seem to be so real. You have a gift for attracting good honest people. Ride safe and free.

[@razzrasmussen5773]

Great video! My best to your crew. Bert seems like a great guy. Hooah

[@admiralglass]

Hay dude got to say Hi. I came across your channel a week ago, and have now watched them all. God there addictive, I'm 62 and have been thinking about getting back in the saddle for some time now, but since watching your channel thats it, I'm going to get me a Triumph, back in the 80s I had an A10, a couple of tritons and the odd Bonny, love the crew you hang with,keep safe and keep them coming. All the best from Finland.

[@timothygaudette9643]

Just moved up here to Seffner from port Charlotte, kinda cool you were down there, Bert's black widow always has something going on! But I made a trip over to the ride factory and you weren't kidding. Those are some great folks in there, really hooked me up with some parts and new skins on my heritage. Keep up the awesome content!

[@charleswilliams9233]

👍😎 thanks Burt !

[@walterceresi4137]

Now THAT was a really good video. Bert seems to be a really cool down to earth dude. Good on you josh!

[@Luzviminda777]

Honesty is in short supplies these days , glad you're keeping it real

[@forgedglory]

Out of all the motovlogers i watch, you’re my favorite to watch. Everyone I watch has one or two videos I don’t like. I haven’t seen one of your I didn’t like. Keep up the good work.

[@bradleyalexander5821]

Bert rocks!!! Now I get it, that his HD shops & ShadeTree & FlipNa fit so well together. 👍🏼 🇺🇸 🌎

[@CrazyMrTim]

Now you gotta do a video of "who gets the girl" with a rocket 3 and the road king kong

[@zacharyfett2491]

Tim2000 Single seat on that Rocket 3.............

[@CrazyMrTim]

@@zacharyfett2491 doesn't necessarily have to be josh's rocket 3

[@life_behind_bars]

Great video! It was good to see Flips bike take a whoopin after stealing all the ladies from ya. I love your rocket 3 but the road king Kong is fricking awesome.

[@alexdirtysanchez820]

Dude!!!! That's on a stock tune I hope they turn it up to the 11!! Once again great video.

[@larryblakeus]

Both of those bikes are bad ass! Berts did a great job in the RK and the Rocket 3 has always been badass. Can’t go wrong either way! Bert seems like a good dude.

[@robertbelote5273]

I dont think HD guys will be to mad seeing as how these numbers are more easily accessible then before . Also despite the numbers i think the hd will suprise some people at a drag strip . Cool vid guys

[@deormanrobey892]

When I started riding 60 hp was a cammed and retimed racebike number for a Bonneville. The 45 hp drum brake stocker was/is fast enough to get you in trouble. They were about 40 lbs lighter than Flip's though.

[@evil_musclemuscled3814]

This is what I been waiting for is what's been going on with this 131 , now I'd like to see it preform as the goal is to make a bike a straight up hotrod .

[@michaelhayward7572]

Yabbut, just to get to the stage lV 131 kit from a 107/114 stocker is the same money as just buying a 10 y/o Rocket lll. Applez n oranges.. Carpenter Racing is getting 230 bhp reliably as a street motor, company jn the UK is putting turbos and superchargers on the Triumph and getting 330 bhp. Reliably. On the street.

[@CactusJack252]

I love the way that Road King is set up with the fairing and T-bars.

[@dannydagerous]

Cool ! Good morning, I’m packing up to head out on my Sportster for two weeks riding about a cool 4-5k . I’m waiting for the rain to stop before I start and boom there you are with a fresh one, thanx bud

[@georgeperkins4171]

Awesome. Let the adventure begin! Look out for the 4 wheeled morons.

[@luish8056]

Awesome video man, Bert seemed like a cool dude. Hope to one day ride up to Tampa and buy ya a beer.

[@109rfan1]

flips probably losing hp with those silly pipes. pretty cool

[@coltonwancho6571]

Na he has a cross pipe and open pipes should make a few extra. It's just the factory is always from the crank not the tires. So they are always under what the actual numbers are

[@bonnevillebagger9147]

Colton Wancho you gotta have tuned back pressure. Flip is just using open pipes. www.tabperformance.com/Reduce-Back-Pressure-Exhaust-s/203.htm

[@coltonwancho6571]

@@bonnevillebagger9147 that's a huge misconception at wide open throttle back back pressure is completely and totally Nol and void back pressure is only useful at all ever for low and mid-range torque and horsepower numbers anything other than that it's completely useless so a Dyno pull showing Pike HP has little to do with that. Road racers run pipes that help with mid range torq drag racers don't. Even the article you linked explains that.

[@bonnevillebagger9147]

Colton Wancho you would be correct while talking about custom racing bikes. However flips bike is a stock Bonneville with the stock map on his cpu. He 100% lost hp on wot and throughout the range.

[@coltonwancho6571]

@@bonnevillebagger9147 in all my years being a mechanic I'd say na. Modern ecu's are always learning. So you free up flow in and out the computer will correct for condition will it be spot on and could you be more with a proper time yes but for the most part you will get a few ponys

[@davidpeterson943]

Kick ass vid Josh, knees in the breeze and seat of The pants feel is all the dyno I need.

[@BrunoGesscher]

That’s exactly the way to spend a great time!!!!thanks for showing us what a dealership needs to be. Both HD dealerships near me pale in comparison. Love the great content in your vids. Have a wonderful bike riding week.

[@stevenwalde4624]

You have no idea how excited I got when I saw the title of this video ❤ much love shadetree

[@skywayrider849]

Cool video. I went to the Twisted Fork grand opening at Bert's Black Widow, IT WAS FREAKING AWESOME! I hope to meet you and Flip Na at one of the Bert's!

[@V-max97]

The video we’ve been waiting for!! Thanks for posting.

[@budd7759]

Nice video! What mini fairing is that?

[@robinsonsmotorcycleandauto3929]

Great way to start a Sunday morning with a new video. Awesome numbers from the Harley. Poor Flip was let down when his got on the Dyno lol. He looked so sad

[@HARMARSCH2]

Shadetree Surgeon, I figured the Rocket 3 would put out more Horsepower (my guess R3 is my first comment) Bert seems like a hell of a great guy. Nice to see my Favourite Motorcycle you own in the video today.

[@koufax3739]

Hey shade tree love your content I have a question I'm in the market to buy my second bike and I thought I was in love with the iron1200. I test rode all the sportster line but. What do you think about the Indian scout?

[@TheVestibulian]

The Rocket III represented Triumph pretty well out there. We don't have any dealerships like that where I come from, that place looks amazing!

[@bilbottles1339]

As a mostly Triumph guy I was surprised to see the power and torque numbers between the Road King Kong and the Rocket III weren't that much - negligible. The Road King Kong is definitely growing on me. Berts Harley Davidson seem like cool people 😃👍

[@John_shepard]

An almost 20 year old rocket that is probably tired still beating what Milwaukee currently has to offer lol. I see comments saying if the king was aftermarket this blah that it would take it lol it shouldn’t have to!

[@j1d355]

Great video. Numbers at the crank are usually higher than back wheel. It is really possible to make that t120 fly though.

[@marclapalme1394]

I’m curious what the Crusty Glide HP would be?

[@shadetreesurgeon]

I think they were like 60 or 70 stock... it’s definitely not making that anymore lol

[@donmichigan8201]

probably 40+or-. turning fuel and air into noise is it's specialty

[@Slickpits]

It's not a Harley channel. It's not a Triumph channel. Hell, sometimes it's barely a motorcycle channel! What the hell is it?!?!? It's the SHADETREE CHANNEL! Featuring....well...Josh, some epic ladies who wrench on bikes, and a dude called Flip! Just shut up and be entertained! Our, and Josh, this brews for you bro. CHEERS!

[@shadetreesurgeon]

Thank you my friend :)

[@RidingintheOzarks]

I am a little disappointed with Road King Kong's HP numbers but you have a good point about aftermarket tuner. My buddy has a shop and Dyno and he has a 120R in a 14 Street Glide that has been upgraded and tuned by him and he is pulling 140 HP and 140 Tq. He doesn't have to worry about Warranty stuff.

[@frankjoosten3501]

Triump farts fireballs,Hell yeah

[@stonesie81]

Bert seems awesome and knows what his customers want. I have never had a dealer experience like that. Flip's Bonny. The bike has not been tuned for the new exhaust so is not running at it's potential, actually, probably running lean and that's just mean on his pistons. Every bike that I have removed the cat on has been dyno tuned after and they have all been too lean on the baseline run... Modern machines have to run towards the lean end of the acceptable range to pass emissions from the factory.

[@ababbit7461]

Bonneville has "claimed" 80 hp at the crankshaft and only 64 hp at the rear wheel. That sounds about right. Manufacturers put their "claims" at the crankshaft because it is a lot higher than at the rear wheel where the real action takes place. Good video Shadetree.

[@southendparaquest]

The fact that the Rocket III is putting out them numbers after 14 years us even more impressive. If you can, a better comparison brakes and suspension wise would be with a 2020 model. And tell Flip, don't worry but his Bonnie sounds great if nothing else 🙂 ( my old Thunderbird 900 is probably putting out more 😛)

[@DarthBop]

How many ponies did it have 14 years ago?!

[@southendparaquest]

@@DarthBop According to Topspeed.com; Maximum Power - 142PS (140bhp) at 6,000 rpm Maximum Torque - 200Nm (147ft.lbf) at 2,500 rpm

[@fredriksalmen5159]

Love the Thunderbird, my -96 puts out 82 rwhp. Funny a 25 year bike beats a new 1200 with about 20hp, OK, mine is not stock but haven't touched the engine, yet... What year is yours?

[@southendparaquest]

@@fredriksalmen5159 mine is an early one - 95. Had a few mods which should bring it up to The Thunderbird Sport level. Go to my channel and you can have a look. Vlog #2 I think it is 🙂

[@wobblysauce]

Poor Flip... I got a 650 that does the same numbers.

[@GingerPiston]

Try that with a 2020 Rocket stock. And compare prices while you’re at it.

[@josephmorris6090]

Rip Harley. Now take a 2020 rocket 3, and put the same amount of money in it that the Harley does. Not even similar.

[@BloodPlusPwn]

@@josephmorris6090 The first gen rocket 3's kinda suck in general too. The new ones are such well made bikes.

[@carstenweizer]

Wouldn’t a more fair comparison be put a 2020 rocket vs a softail standard with a 131

[@josephmorris6090]

@@carstenweizer that would definitely be more fair on a road test, but the drivetrain isn't really that different on the Harleys and because it was a dyno it was mostly just motor v.s. motor.

[@aragos32727]

Stock, the rocket is almost 3k more. But it's comparing apples to oranges

[@shabadabadoo4326]

What happened to the leather on the RIII handlebars? looks super faded all of a sudden...

[@02bigkev]

I had all faith in the Triumph...lol

[@jaynedoe1959]

Oh ya, almost forgot. It was pretty hilarious when you turned up at the opening of Saddle Tramps vid. I hadto look at my channel doing a doubletake, like WTF? Nice job! I like the bike he scored too...

[@tipturkey1283]

so the rocket 3 is heavily customised but never been dyno tuned ? are you going to have the fuelling tuned in the future ? might get some more out of it

[@justin.s9783]

RKK is the total package, but the Rocket shot fireballs out the pipes lol. thats special when a bike shoots fire and can set your pants on fire from the pipes lmao. good vid

[@brandonstone6962]

I really wish I could head out to FL and ride with you guys because I am SOOOO Envious right now

[@pebear]

When I was a wee laddy all the bikers in the neighborhood used to argue what was the best HD engine ever. The Knucklehead of the Pan-head. It was like religion to them. And if I said how about the shovelhead and they would say Shovel's are for mucking out the barn. Then when the Evo came out all the guys riding their Shovel's were like calling them Evil's as they were evil. Then the Twin Cam came out and of course they all called them the Twin Scam. I guess Harley owners take a long time before they accept an engine. They won't really accept an engine until it's no longer in production because they have a tendency to always hate whatever is in production.

[@seanbutler2291]

Hence why they are going to the can. Instead of jumping into the pool all at once, they literally dip every single toe one at a time into that pool over a span of a hundred plus years

[@thebob6385]

The rejection of the V-Rod, despite it being a superior motor, is another example. This is why Harley owners can't have nice things.

[@dragonvert100]

I'm done with Harley after five one. I'm a big boy now , i ride a KTM Super Adventure S ...a real modern performance motorcycle.

[@Mrdrivereight]

Got done with an online meeting to be greeted with a shadetree video. Thank you sir!

[@greeneterror7989]

Nice way to end a weekend I saved yours for the last one of the day looked like so much fun!!!!!!!

[@codyburke990]

You still can't force me to quit loving that dirty old rocket buddy lol

[@americanhomeimprovements7932]

FN cool a$$ video!!! And everyone at Berts is Awesome!! Good to see Shelby riding with y’all!! 🤘🏻🤘🏻

[@MeathedMoto]

You swap the cam you'd reach that 150 hp. But then u got the problem of upgrading ur clutch components. Thats the beauty of the 131. Consistent 130hp

[@RAD_FAM3]

Does your ktm dirt bike still work? When are you going to start riding it again?

[@fivespeed3026]

El Monstro de FL My guess is when it’s not a million degrees outside. This summer has been hot as hell.

[@Firestorm637]

Which bike weighs more to calculate power to weight ratio?

[@James-sir]

I’m a Harley Davidson and a Honda Boy I luv both for different reasons I need both

[@davehahn5639]

Is there a way to send you a photo because I can't add it to the comments

[@dirtyoldbeemer_9817]

This is the content we've all been waiting for.

[@santiagosantos4079]

Only way to make a sunday better is to get a shadetree surgeon video

[@Banks_Taylor]

Sounds like I need to find Rocket! 🤘🤘

[@candymintz]

you'll love it, fabulous machine

[@jerryoakley5973]

Another great video. Thank you ShadeTree I enjoy your videos.

[@OlManRonin]

I've been waiting for this video! AWESOME and to be honest, I liked the fact the Ol' Rocket won! Ol' bikes and Ol' Men Rule! lol Great video as always Josh!

[@zacharycollett5456]

Shade, im FINALLY upgrading from my C90 and I'm torn between the Rocket and the Road King (your vids have inspired me to get one) what do you suggest? I'm a touring guy. Should I just test drive em? I saved up 10 grand so I can have some cushion.

[@archangelrevelations9532]

I'm actually in this video. I rode with Shelby on the road king. My name is Bonnie. Good times. We should do it again soon sometime.

[@markathomebeez2415]

A flame 🔥 throwing Rocket 🚀 III, awesome!