If I didn't see it, I would have sworn it could not be done. Just throw them in the recycle bin. Awesome job. Now you will have me looking at all my aluminum parts on my bikes. Ride safe and take care.
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
Sometimes i curse aluminum parts Bill, difficult to keep clean, easy to break and scuff, and easy to strip threads in.... but it's one saving grace it its insane 'restorability' !! (i don't think that's actually a word by the way, but you know what i mean lol)
@rickrogers26492 жыл бұрын
Delboy's Garage is like a jewelry store... both contain gems. Like using the lathe to polish the hubs and clamping the bead breaker in the wheel vise on your lift. I know I've used the term "pure genius" before in describing your work but nothing else seems to fit. 😀 Thank you Del and Penney. Stay well my friends. 👍👍
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
Wow thank you so much for those lovely words Rick, polishing in the lathe isn't what they're really meant for and it's a pretty dangerous process, but I learned from an experience machinist how to do it reasonably safely and it does save you a great deal of time and effort and as you can see, make a lovely result... thank you again for your kind words, it's very much appreciated.
@balmori.hangarage2 жыл бұрын
Hey Del, first at all let me tell you that you have been a great source of inspiration and learning and I really wish to thank you! keep doing such a wonderful job! then, I would like to ask you if you have (or have considered to record) the reassembly because since I had some troubles with a front wheel brake disc screw, I (bought also, LOL) tap that hole (following all the videos you have) very very careful and saw on the affected (and the next one fortunately) the screw enters but not as tight as the others, reason I quit to "refresh" the others treats of dirt and old Loctite. All the screws were able to torque to 20 FT-lbs except the originally damaged which only accept 17 Ft-Lbs. Next I´m gonna check disc run out but I´m afraid it´s out of limits (.008), so lets see... With all do respect Del, seeing your polish, have you tried WD-40 and scotch brite fiber?? the result it´s outstanding and you will remember me after you have apply the regular polish you used on the video!!! Anyway, it´s nice to write you and wish you happy roads my friend, cheers from Mexico!
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
Hi there, great to hear from you, and thanks for sharing your experience with that, it's great to hear you're taking care of business and getting involved... these hubs will be painted so I don't need to work too hard on polishing them, I do know the WD40 and Scotchbrite trick, saw it first on Jesse James's Motorcycle Mania years ago, but will be painting them later so I don't want to be grinding oil in to the surface at this stage! Thanks you again for your kind words, take care and keep safe brother.
@springy-21122 жыл бұрын
I've been trying to comment for hours . Every time I open my app I end up doing comment stuff for my own channel .. I don't know how you manage to keep up . I don't know any other channel your size who even look at the comments let alone go through them all and answer . I really appreciate the interaction with you both and totally respect the effort you put in. The hubs look glowing . I hadn't thought of the lathe for polishing. Seems obvious now I've just seen it lol ! I'm glad you're getting the wheels made up.. I had a go at lacing in the early nineties , I got there ( with advice ) eventually but haven't done any since , nuff said ! .. Me +Hubs +spokes+ rims = Tears 🤓 Peace and love and hugs 👍🏻☮❤
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
Hey buddy, there's nothing more engaging and rewarding than having this wonderful contact with our audience, it's what sets You Tube apart from the TV and in some way replaces the family that the biker fraternity used to be back in the day! Keep safe buddy and have a great week! D&Px
@nickmitton73502 жыл бұрын
Shiny hubs always a good start to a wheel rebuild. Do watch your digits on that lathe mate!!!
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
Thanks buddy, appreciate the concern, there's a reasonably 'safe' way to do it I learned from an experienced machinist friend of mine, I'm always careful mate.
@grosbeakmc2 жыл бұрын
Awesome job, Del and Penny. Those hubs look great and I would not have thought of using the metal lathe I still don't have to clean and polish them - well done! Good to see you using that awesome little Wera ratchet set - do note the the short wobble extension is not meant for high torque and may break at the thinnest part like mine did. Take care and be well, both of you!
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
Ah thanks buddy, always good to hear from you, and yes that little Wera kit was initially purchased to carry on the Harley for roadside rescue, but I use it all the time in the garage as well now! And you're right, we should never put pressure 1/4 drive tools, if you're having to lean too hard on one step up to 3/8 as we all know... thanks for watching buddy, much appreciate your support!
@raydouglas58962 жыл бұрын
Great work again Del. Reminded me why I prefer cast wheels. The hubs look good though after the polishing.
@byronand52 жыл бұрын
Fantastic! I never would have guessed they would refinish so beautifully! Just a thought for a future refinishing job... since most of us don't have a lathe, it might be interesting to do one part on the lathe, then for comparison to do another part using a typical buffing wheel to show the difference in time/effort/finish. Hope you're feeling well. Hi to Pen! :)
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
I think a properly buffed and gleaming finish, with the right amount of hard work would always look better, but only if it's a show bike and never going to get wet, these are now raw aluminum and would corrode on the first wet ride.. so they only needed to be clean and bright ready for etch primer and paint, this way they will be durable and easy to live with.. Penny say's Hi, and we hope you're both keeping safe and well. D&Px
@mikeopenshaw91282 жыл бұрын
What a super idea polishing the hubs up using the lathe to spin them - lovely job - thanks guys! x
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
Our pleasure Mike, always good to hear from you old chap.. hope life is good.!
@AbouzarKaboudian2 жыл бұрын
Great work Del and outstanding results. I started laughing at that vintage rubber joke. Side note, one my friends had a polishing rag snatched by the lathe and had to get over 10 stitches and a couple of broken bones in the palm a few years ago. I know you are a master in the garage but those accidents are no joke and not fun if and when they happen.
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
Hi Abouzar, great to hear from you again, and you're quite right, never use a rag on spinning parts... with this, as always, I use abrasive paper or tissue paper for polishing, any paper shop towel is fine as if it gets grabbed it just rips away... I take advice from an experience machinist on all these things. Have a great week!
@AbouzarKaboudian2 жыл бұрын
@@Moonfleet41 as always you are the master and I am here to learn from you 🙇
@whip-its_dad42392 жыл бұрын
Man , you turned that Sporty into a 2 basket , basket case lol . I really like the way you apply yourself . You remind me alot of me , I try to repair anything I own .
@gerrypowell27482 жыл бұрын
Big difference on the hubs👌👌
@kenlizzio70962 жыл бұрын
Those hubs came up really good polishing them on the lathe. Better than I thought they would. 👍
@Nifilheimur2 жыл бұрын
Dont have a garage at the moment but definitely need a lathe. My fav series of yours mate. Good job both of you!
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
Glad you're enjoying it mate, thanks for watching!
@enduromotorradtouren2 жыл бұрын
I've never butchered wheels. But I understand your goal of getting the hubs first and changing to lighter material and modern sizes. Looking forward to seeing them. Which define the way to go with the build. Cheers form Günter, Nürnberg/Germany
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
Butchered? You mean dismantled Günter, nothing was butchered here my friend!
@enduromotorradtouren2 жыл бұрын
@@Moonfleet41 But you cut the spokes on one wheel, didn't you?
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
@@enduromotorradtouren Threads had seized in 3 out of 80 spokes, so had to nip those out... the rest were just unscrewed mate.! hardly butchering aye.!
@enduromotorradtouren2 жыл бұрын
@@Moonfleet41 Sorry, mate, for using the wrong word. Watched again and saw that it was only three spokes you had to cut.
@coloradokid13462 жыл бұрын
Wow Del, never even thought of putting them on the lathe to get a polish on them. Awesome idea.
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
Thanks buddy👍, simple and effective, and leaves a great machined finish with a nice subtle etch to it for painting.
@renzovc2 жыл бұрын
awesome video brother ! the before and after on those wheel hubs were outstanding 👏 the lathe makes it so much easier ! i need to get a lather asap 😂 Keep up the great work !!! stay safe guys cheers from new york 🥂🥂🥂🍺🍺👌
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your kind words, glad you approve, and yeah, get yourself a lathe brother, best money you'll ever spend, so many uses and they're around second hand, I imagine more there than we get here! Have a great weekend and keep safe both!
@LS-uv9gg2 жыл бұрын
I felt through the screen, just how stiff those tires were. Instantly made me think of rock hard erasers that are years old and leave worse marks on paper than the pencil lines you are trying to remove, hahaha.
@TechnMoto2 жыл бұрын
Hubs look great after polishing 👍
@loddude57062 жыл бұрын
7:20 "Mum! - Del's pulling the legs off big spiders again!" Have fun & remember to weigh the spokes as 'fasteners' : )xx
@greenambles2 жыл бұрын
Left-field comment here but The first thing that struck me with this video the beautiful sound of all those birds tweeting suggesting it must be morning time? After 54 years I’m finally escaping from London this summer and sounds like that are where I’m heading.
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
Thanks Barney, we're very lucky, we're on a farm location and moved away from London to the countryside 30yrs ago, it's the best decision you'll ever make mate! Have fun.
@adrianwalker12422 жыл бұрын
Life is much easier when you have the correct tools!
@myz06rocks2 жыл бұрын
making things clean and shiny one part at a time... very satisfying!
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
It really is brother, best therapy known to mankind.!
@garethburningham94672 жыл бұрын
Those hubs came up a treat Del, bet those tyres would be about as much use as t#ts on fish 😂😂
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
Now there's a term i haven't heard in 30 years... and you're dead right, totally US after 20 years..!
@artboy12692 жыл бұрын
Bloody brilliant way to polish hubs. Now I need to figure out how to do this at home on the cheap. Thanks Del....
@wobblysauce2 жыл бұрын
Hubs came up a treat, looked like the spokes were beefy also.
@monkeydink99332 жыл бұрын
DANGUS...!!! You did an awesome job polishing those hubs. I detail motorcycles and I appreciate your work.
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
Thank you kindly Sir 👍, am glad you enjoy it!
@roegiersmusic2 жыл бұрын
I am loving this build! Thank you for sharing your work with us! It’s inspiring 🤘🏻😎🍻
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
My pleasure Colin, glad you're enjoying!
@MarshallSmith272 жыл бұрын
If I only had a lathe I want to strip my triumph rear from its paint and polish both front and back from all the pitting! I need to find someone local that will let me use their lathe now!
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
My Lathe was a heavy purchase, but i have never regretted the investment once !
@ObsessiveCarDetailer2 жыл бұрын
Wow the age of those tyres😱
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
Yeah, crazy aye...!
@geraldfitzgibbon74282 жыл бұрын
Nice job.hubs cleaned up well
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
Thanks 👍
@mattmcevaddy2 жыл бұрын
Wow. What a finish on those! making me think I should do the same. Great job. thanks
@ejoemoto2 жыл бұрын
Oh you sexy beast! Something happened to me after you shined them up! 😂😂 made me weak in the knees! 😂
@Almightyrastus2 жыл бұрын
Those hubs are mighty shiny... Slippery slope that, next thing you know... hi-viz... ;-) Nicely done.
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
Never..! there are lines we must not cross..lol
@dozer39552 жыл бұрын
Hi Del and Penny... This bike would make a neat chopper...
@colfergusson42422 жыл бұрын
Those little lathes are awesome, on my wish list, just got myself a swivel head band saw well happy with it 😀 enjoying these videos mate, hope all is well with you and your good lady 😀
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
Thanks Col, you won't regret the investment if you choose to buy a lathe, it was a big outlay when i got it, but ive never once regretted the purchase !! Thanks for your kind support mate. !
@tinks432 жыл бұрын
Now they came up a treat!… Good old Autosol 🙌🏻
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
Sure thing mate, mother's polish!
@ecrusch2 жыл бұрын
Man O Man, those look BRAND NEW Del! (All that work really paid off)
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
Thank you Eric.
@al-69882 жыл бұрын
Super. Beau travail comme d habitude
@shaunglendinning2 жыл бұрын
Sterling job so far Del! Looking forward to see what you have planed for the wheels. Cheers,
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
Thanks Shaun, something simple and durable with a traditional twist!
@loganalomar99192 жыл бұрын
About time you broke out the power tools! I'd never use them for install, but disassembly goes so much quicker with an impact driver. Are you going with blacked out laces with chrome & polished rims?? Might look nice😉
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
Hi buddy, I just get a personal satisfaction from using hand tools wherever possible, of course power tools are more convenient and quicker, but I do this as much for the love of it as the results! And with the wheels, I want than simple, durable and convenient, nice polished stainless rims and spoke sand I'll be painting the hubs!
@garya30562 жыл бұрын
What an ingenious way to polish up those hubs, Del… how much hand pressure did it need? Great outcome! Hope you both have a safe enjoyable week there… 🏍👍🏍
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
Hey Gary, it's a pretty tricky process, polishing on a lathe, and not what they're really designed for... but I learned the safe method from a clever machinist I know, doesn't need a lot of pressure, I use coarse abrasive strips held in exactly the right way so if anything catches, it doesn't drag your fingers or hands in, but if you do it right and carefully, as you can see, you get great results... not much pressure needed, just the right technique! Have a safe week there both!
@garya30562 жыл бұрын
@@Moonfleet41 Gotcha! Cheers…😎
@masterlordking2 жыл бұрын
wow like brand new hub ,,,you never cease to amaze me del
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir, with some new bearings and a thick coat of protective paint they'll last a lifetime now.!
@nicholasbishop33002 жыл бұрын
Lovely job as always mate Nick Australia
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
Thanks Nick 👍, appreciate your kind support.
@pawelkaa3342 жыл бұрын
If I didn't see I wouldn't believe...thanks :)
@scottinstrell27952 жыл бұрын
Hi , I’ve just subbed to your channel , very down to earth and informative, not a Harley question but a bandit question, I’ve watched all your bandit vids but couldn’t find any information, I’ve bought a 600 bandit 17k on the clock I’ve adjusted the clutch pedal today to a lower setting to fit me now I can’t get gear 3,4,5,6 Am I missing something? Any info greatly appreciated Cheers scott
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
Hi Scott, if you have a linkage system, then it's important that the small tab that slots on to the spline to the gearbox is at 90 degrees, or thereabouts, to the shift rod that links it to the shifter pedal... if that's a much more acute angle because you've adjusted the rod too long, then it won't shift the gears correctly, so re-shorten the rod to make it 90 degrees, then slip the tab off the spline an rotate it round one tooth in the direction you need to set your pedal at the right height, this will retain the correct 90 degree angle and you should get all gears again... hope that helps mate.
@scottinstrell27952 жыл бұрын
Hi del I’ve tried your method and it now works 👍👍 Cheers scott
@mrjoneseastend2 жыл бұрын
Why didn't you take an angle grinder to the spokes since you're going to bin them?
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
I'm not going to bin them, they will be replaced with stainless ones, but I have a use for these!
@adarngoodjoe40432 жыл бұрын
My man Delboy has a pile of parts for a swap meet
@TheWibbo2 жыл бұрын
Really hoping you turn it into a scrambler/ offroader when it's done.
@ronmimnaugh76742 жыл бұрын
nice job. is it just me or did that belt sprocket look pretty worn? I just traded in a bike with 63K on it and mine looked like new still. No wear at all
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
Yes Ron, that belt sprocket it totally ruined.. .the chrome coating has been long since chipping and flaking off leaving sharp edges all over it.. along with the front one that is just as bad they are both being replaced.!
@ronmimnaugh76742 жыл бұрын
@@Moonfleet41 I thought you said you were going to a chain, but watch so many folks restoring bikes, I could have been mixed up with another one
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
@@ronmimnaugh7674 I am, I'm replacing them with a chain and sprockets!
@rsbharley47662 жыл бұрын
Nice video Del & Penny. Excellent job mate, the hubs have come up great. Penny and you have great week, stay safe. Cheers
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it mate, thanks for your always kind and support words, we both appreciate it, have a safe and peaceful week there!
@allanmason75442 жыл бұрын
superb finish made to look easy
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot 😊
@Jj129152 жыл бұрын
"Manners maketh man"
@MegaBruceC2 жыл бұрын
Believe it or not I use a bead axe and tire levers at the young age of 64!
@MrAlbertsnelson2 жыл бұрын
Sorry del the timing chain tensioner spring at the bottom of the pots behind the big nut looks straightforward in the Hayes manual but been caught out before ?
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
Simple little job mate, I've not covered it on video before, but measure it first, it needs to be longer then 74mm, any less and it's good to drop a new one in, should cost you about £15, and don't forget to fit a new washer too.! !
@jasonshortphd2 жыл бұрын
No cush drive? Is that standard on Harley? I learned something new today. Those hubs look amazing now.
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
Yes mate, no cush drive ! Thanks for watching, really appreciate your support.
@adarngoodjoe40432 жыл бұрын
Do you have to coat the metal with something to keep it from reoxidizing or just clean them more often?
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
Normally yes, but these are being painted as it's impossible to clean them once they're laced!
@Gorbyrev2 жыл бұрын
Those hubs look amazing!
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mark, im really happy with the result.
@motordown76642 жыл бұрын
Great video Del. Excellent time to breakout the Milwaukee tool for the wheels. The Sportster is definitely disassembled and I can’t wait for frame modifications.
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
Thanks mate 👍, nothing severe, just a little nip n' tuck!
@MRomano19842 жыл бұрын
you going wider rims using old hubs by any chance?
@n22pdf2 жыл бұрын
Wow what an awesome job on the hubs Del amazing work
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
Thanks Pete 👍
@clark71692 жыл бұрын
Hi Del Can't believe how good the hubs came out. Respect for achieving that standard. You are a wizz on the laithe. A dangerous machine in the wrong hands, 100% concentration required. It will be interesting to see the future weight differences in frame and wheel work. Excellent job as always thanks for sharing! 🇸🇪🇬🇧😊👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
Thank Paul, glad you're enjoying the content, always good to hear from you buddy. !
@rikturna2 жыл бұрын
I’m not supposed to watch your videos mate. Every time I do, my wife asks what I’m planning to do to my FatBob this time. 😉 But, that’s my cross to bare. Once you start the frame, I reckon that’ll reveal a possible path you’re taking.
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
Sorry buddy, hope it doesn't get you in trouble 😉, and yes the frame and wheels always defines the genre, but maybe not this time, it may take a few more components to do that, but there's the adventure!
@howder19512 жыл бұрын
Awesome transformation on the hubs , it makes me wonder how the wheels will end up at the other end of the build, cheers and thanks for training on advanced shop practices!
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
Thanks mate👍 Glad you're enjoying it.
@benthillerup2 жыл бұрын
Wauw those hubs came out nice👍
@shaagealgareb91892 жыл бұрын
pinnacle of perfection
@christophermcreynolds60012 жыл бұрын
Great way for cleaning the hubs. 👍👍👍👍👍
@TheSweetasanut2 жыл бұрын
What a lovely job
@twinphill9002 жыл бұрын
Come up at treat👍
@MrAlbertsnelson2 жыл бұрын
Hi dell &penny I would like to tackle changing tension spring on my 2004 t100 have you covered this at anytime and is it a tough or a basic numpty job cheers bert.xxx
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
Sorry Bert, just to be clear mate.. what spring are you referring to?
@dozer39552 жыл бұрын
Are you referring to the cam chain tensioner spring ... ?? Johnny Cactus has covered it....
@MrAlbertsnelson2 жыл бұрын
@@dozer3955 thanks for the help. Bert.
@leighmarshman35222 жыл бұрын
Oooo shining very nice hope your ok bud 🤘aye
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
All good buddy, living life at a different pace now.!
@leighmarshman35222 жыл бұрын
@@Moonfleet41 that’s what it’s all about buddy enjoy
@oulupulu2 жыл бұрын
I want to do that to the wheels on my thruxton, but don’t have the patience. Beautiful to watch a master at work.
@travisray1392 жыл бұрын
Nice! Do you subscribe to the one-time-use of rotor fasteners? I have a high mile bike with a set of low mile spare rotors to eventually swap in.
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
It's a long running debate that one Travis, they don't tighten in with much torque so they won't be stretched or stressed length wise, but they do come under great shearing force by the rotational torque of the disc... so "does this weaken them"? Personally, if i can afford to, then i like to replace them with new ones, they are expensive mate, so it's a choice only you can make i guess !
@gcrockford81912 жыл бұрын
Shinney is nice!!!!!!!
@Rsbangera2 жыл бұрын
awesome as always...
@MintyGusto2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant video mate as always! Even when on holiday I cannot miss one!
@danheino70062 жыл бұрын
some people think baggies were made for sandwiches....wrong
@tommmarree36892 жыл бұрын
Hey Del, I see those were 2003 tires, my understanding id that motorcycle tires are longer any good after 5 years. My buddy has tires from a 2008 Sporty, and they are hard as rocks.....???
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
Yes Tomm, the front was factory original 2003, and the back was 2011.... tyres do certain have a life span, it's not set to an exact time/date, they could still be fine after 5 years if you live in the right climate, but that would be getting close to them hardening off for sure.. bikes from this era had poor quality tyres from new anyway, not so any more, but any way you stack it mate, 19 years old is WAY past their life span and the main reason i didn't ride the bike after rebuilding the engine.!
@tommmarree36892 жыл бұрын
@@Moonfleet41 THANKS for the help Del!! You are SIMPLY THE BEST !!!!
@toddwilliams753410 ай бұрын
Hi Del, Who do you recommend for wheel building in the UK?
@Moonfleet4110 ай бұрын
Most of the wheel builders specialise in certian makes.. what wheels are they, HD?
@toddwilliams753410 ай бұрын
@@Moonfleet41 Harley 21 inch, looking to have it re-spoked with a narrow spool hub.
@Moonfleet4110 ай бұрын
@@toddwilliams7534 I used 'Salisbury wheel building' in Ringwood Hampshire.. he did a great job with stainless rims and spokes..
@toddwilliams753410 ай бұрын
@Moonfleet41 Awesome thanks I'll look them up.
@Goldwing1500rider2 жыл бұрын
Huh ??? You ruined your rims!! Lol… cheated using your lathe to polish them up??? Just kidding!! Really looks awesome!! Planning make them tubeless like the others?? I’ve thought frame would weigh more than expected… Kwel job!!
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
Thank you kindly Sir, I think I will run these tubeless, I love the convenience of being able to fix a puncture on the roadside to get me home and you can't do that with tubes!... have a great week buddy.
@Goldwing1500rider2 жыл бұрын
@@Moonfleet41 I totally agree with you more!! Nice weekend to you guys too!
@EchoSevenNine2 жыл бұрын
Can't beat a lathe for jobs like that. Grey scotchbrite would have been my choice for the hubs I think.
@timothykelley44952 жыл бұрын
Never noticed... you're a LEFTY!!!! Me too!!!! Remember LEFTIES HAVE RIGHTS TOO!!!!!!!!! 🖐
@huguesdube-bonhomme75992 жыл бұрын
Your videos are so captivating! I'm not surprised to see your channel getting close to 200k subscribers! You and Penny are an awesome team 😉! Congratulations!
@Moonfleet412 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much Hugues, that's very kind of you, we're glad you enjoy the content and appreciate your kind support..