10 WORST Ways Harry Potter Canon was Broken

[@HarryPotterTheory]

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[@h4tz_1]

Thanks 😊

[@Kemyo0]

If possible to add timestamps numbers would be nice ! Ty

[@J.P.Robles]

So what I am hearing is that the majority of the canon breaks were caused by Fantastic Beasts and Cursed Child So with that being said we should just ignore these at all costs

[@kellysouter4381]

I mostly do.

[@Evil_Befall]

Watched the first FB movie Was boring

[@J.P.Robles]

@@Evil_Befall the second was better

[@ryanellis9325]

Or we could watch them on their own merit and not get ludicrously obsessed about the bloody canon. Fwiw I liked the first FB film, not so much the other two. And I have to assume that CC plays great in the theatre cos reading the transcript left me dumbfounded as to what an utter mess that would be if it were made into a novel.

[@Mannetasi]

I'v only seen the first two Fantastic Beasts movies and they are tolerable at least. I would even say that the first one is good but the second one felt like missed potential, both sound better than the Cursed Child tho.

[@Lupinemancer87]

Let's be real here, the Cursed Child is just fan-fiction. There is no way to convince me of anything else.

[@dannylagangonzalez6832]

It’s certainly written as if it’s fanfiction from someone who didn’t even understand the original series. Sadly, Rowling somehow thought it was acceptable enough to call canon. She must have been offered a ridiculous amount of money to make something so insulting to her story actually part of it. That being said, actually watching the play in front of you is an amazing experience and I would highly recommend it, if you can just put the story to one side.

[@mydowidoipowido2558]

@@dannylagangonzalez6832 Well, I mean, her current views and opinions are an even bigger insult to the original books and their message, so...

[@Fuzzycatfur]

If it was fan-fiction, it'd be better. It's just trash.

[@4bddenfruit]

If anything, it's a parody. Like come on, Cedric Diggory becoming a death eater because he lost the Triwizard Tournament? 🤣

[@flyonthewall8122]

I couldn't even finish reading it. Pure bullocks.

[@floreece8567]

We can and will never accept The Cursed Child as canon

[@ericsmith9461]

Aye!!!!

[@austinfreyrikrw6651]

Agree 💯

[@dannylagangonzalez6832]

I rather begrudgingly accept it as such because Rowling said it, but it’s certainly by far the worst aspect of the canon. The play itself is really good to watch live though, just wish the story was as good as the production. If it was, it would be one of the greatest plays of all time.

[@tuxedothemagnificent6738]

Same with Star Wars Sequel Trilogy, He Man reboot, LotR on Amazon, and more stuff that I can't think of right now.

[@factsoftheconfederacy7151]

I’ll never accept that garbage

[@Sandra_HereToSeeTheDuctTape]

"The Cursed Child" doesn't exist in my world. I read a summary on the internet, thought it was ridiculous and immediately erased it from my brain...

[@trinitiebabcock9087]

I came acrost it while reading the wiki and did the same thing.

[@gugurupurasudaikirai7620]

8. It's straight up in the book that Bill Weasley had a pen pal from the Brazilian school. The Brazilian student wanted Bill to go to Brazil in the exchange program but the Weasleys couldn't afford it. The Brazilian student was offended when he said he couldn't go and sent Bill a cursed hat.

[@victorialynnstruble]

It's amazing to think about the fact that Tolkien spent decades just a worldbuilding in an attempt to avoid this issue

[@weswheel4834]

Well I'd thought that Rowling had as well? We'd heard stories of her having everything planned and charted out and how she'd spent about a decade creating the world prior to writing any books? Obviously made some compromises later.

[@chloebeth8706]

@@weswheel4834it took tolkien like 12 years just to write lotr not including the "lore" books before hand, so he was probably planning for a longgggg time. like yeah jk did awesome on hp but, tolkien did put way more thought and planning n detail

[@hunterkiller1440]

That explains why he wrote a letter in the book to readers to stop digging up plot holes.

[@poopenfarten800]

​@weswheel4834 Where's the proof that she did ? We have not seen any writings that she planned this out. Tolkien however has numerous letters detailing the work he was putting into middle earth. You cannot compare the world building of The Lord Of The Rings and Harry Potter, it's no contest.

[@sigyn27]

I am not sure he did it in order to avoid issues with the canon (and if so, then he was unsuccessful). He did it to enrich the lore. His ideas evolved all the time, his writings include contradictions, and he was not a stranger to retcons. He was also unable to solve some of the issues with the lore. That being said, the amount of work he put into worldbuilding is unparalleled. What bothers me most about canon issues with HP is how often JKR tries to tell her readers that she had planned something from the start, instead of admitting her ideas changed over time. As far as I know, this is not something that Tolkien ever did.

[@forkjob]

My favorite cannon Crack is in book 7. At the burrow, Hermione tells Harry that she's performed a memory charm on her parents good enough that they could live the rest of their natural lives without knowing that they have a daughter. But later Matthew diner on tutnam court road, she's hesitant to perform a memory charm on death eaters because she's never done it before

[@nisar8009]

Omg, so true! When I read that I just went WHAT!!!!!!!!! And she plans on reversing it later after the war is over, even though the very same curse can’t be cured from Professor Lockhart.

[@matthewpatrick7263]

The given explanation (I think it was in Pottermore) is that the spell Hermione used on her parents wasn't the standard obliviate (which they show her doing in the movie). It was a special spell that allowed for the possibility of her restoring their memories after the war.

[@nisar8009]

@@matthewpatrick7263 I don’t mean to sound sarcastic, but did she add and inflection on the word as she said it? How can it be a different spell when it’s the same word? I do remember that Harry wasn’t able to completely do unforgivable curses because he couldn’t really mean them. Was it the same in this case? She did obliviate the death eaters in the Coffey shop. But then again….Harry did use the Imperius curse extremely well on the goblin in Gringots when they were stealing the cup………

[@matthewpatrick7263]

@@nisar8009 What I said was that, unlike in the movie, Hermione didn't use the obliviate spell. Remember, we don't have that scene in the book. I think it's a great scene in the movie, but according to the source (which I think is Pottermore), she did not actually use the obliviate spell on her parents. It was a spell that she either invented or modified that allowed for her to restore their memories later, when she survived the war.

[@kayleeriley3591]

In the book she just says she modifies their memories so I wonder if some sort of false memory was used although I’m not sure how that would work. I do think there might be different intensities of obliviate because in goblet of fire when we first meet Mr. Roberts, they are using one on him a couple times a day, and it seems to only have short term affects on him, but after his family goes through the events of that night. They have to put a much more powerful one on him that leaves him quite disoriented.

[@Kaeldo]

For the secret keeping: Dumbeldore: 12 Grimmauld Place was not Dumbledore's, it belonged to the Black's. So it belonged to Sirius and later goes over to Harry. So he was not his own secret keeper. Bill: The Cottage was also not his but his Aunt's, so in a sence he kept her place a secret.

[@damgful]

Why didn't the Potters move to someone else's home if that was the case?

[@cptjeff1]

@@damgfulBecause you still need to find a person you can totally trust. The Potters would have been able to reveal their own home to Voldemort despite having a secret keeper. If they had moved in with Sirius and made James or Lily the secret keeper, Sirius would, as the owner of the thing being kept secret, still be able to give the secret up.

[@aratirao9149]

Oh the absolute worst for me is when Ron can open the chamber of secrets using Parseltongue because “Harry talks in his sleep”. Oh you mean that language that you have spent the whole series telling us is a very rare ability that Harry shares with Voldemort? Easy to pick up it seems. Why don’t they offer Parseltongue lessons then? Might be quite fun

[@ELisa-qf2mw]

Yep, an extremely contrived plot device. It would have been slightly better if Ron had claimed that he remembered how to say "open up" in Parseltongue from when he heard Harry doing so once in COS five years of life-threatening shenanigans prior.

[@damgful]

@@ELisa-qf2mw That's exactly what happens in the books, but he learns it from when they open the locket.

[@TheEmeraldWeirdo]

Being fair, all he really needed to do was mimic the noises, it's not like he actually _learned_ Parseltongue... I mean, actors do it all the time when scripts call for their characters to speak foreign languages: They don't take a full course in the language, they just have somebody teach them how to say the lines.

[@LyleFrancisDelp]

There is not reason a mechanical camera couldn't work at Hogwarts. It's NOT electronic. However, the flash might throw a wrench into the fray, which is why Skeeter's photographer used a flash powder flash

[@V1ktor24x7]

I Agree

[@pamela_fay]

Why oh why did Jo Rowling ever write that awful Cursed Child? It messed everything up!!

[@georgewashington63]

Well why couldn't they use guns then

[@LyleFrancisDelp]

@@georgewashington63 Wands are better.

[@yammarques]

@@georgewashington63 they have a gun that makes no sound and leaves no visible trace, and you can use it to do your shoe laces!

[@agm5424]

The whole Voldemort being Bellatrix's baby daddy could've being solve by a simple change. You could have Voldemort go full God complex and actually try to create life, his personal way of symbolically put himself above the Big Guy Upstairs. Instead of Delphi being born a human witch "the traditional way" she could have being a type of magical homunculus made whith some f'ck up dark magic with Bellatrix "eggs" as the base for the experiment. Making Voldy a dark version of God, Bellatrix a dark version of the virgin and Delphi a dark version of Jesus, merry christmas Mr. Potter.

[@korie4198]

Or another body for him to inhabit if his current one was destroyed and that would contain his own blood and technically Harry's as well.

[@brittanyofhouseblackwood]

THIS! The whole time he was talking about Bellatrix and Voldemort having "relations" all I kept thinking was that they probably used dark magic! If they can create a whole new vessel out of flesh, blood, bone, and snake venom and then shove a portion of Voldemorts' literal soul into said vessel I'm sure they can do some baby making magic!

[@LuisRodriguez-kz7nt]

​@@brittanyofhouseblackwoodBut Delphy had her own soul,it's not the same as the rebirth spell.

[@LuisRodriguez-kz7nt]

Apparently,there was some f'ck up dark Magic involved,minis the "up dark magic"part

[@mateusramos7805]

Congrats you invented midichlorians for the Wizarding World

[@saphiramystique2086]

About Dumbledore being the Secret Keeper of Grimmauld Place, would that even count as being his own Secret Keeper? Sirius owned the house, so wouldn't Dumbledore technically be Sirius’ Secret Keeper? But for everything else you’re right, I have recently been rereading some of the books, and I noticed JK either wasn't very good with keeping up with small details or changed to fit the story for later books, it's nothing big, just a few things here and there. For example, Sirius gives Ron an owl at the end of POA, and by GOF everyone seems to forget it came from Sirius, and even Harry acts as if he saw it before, in COS Tom Riddle tells Harry Hagrid used to keep werewolf cubs under his bed, which makes no sense with the way werewolves work in Harry Potter.

[@nurarihion]

Yeah I noticed the thing with the Werewolves too. In COS Lockhart says something about a potion to cure them or something like that, which makes no sense in later books as Lupin explains werewolves need to learn to live with this condition for life, and the only potion mentioned is the one given by Snape to Lupin to help with the symptoms, but not curing the condition. Now given Lockhart was a liar it could be that it was all bluff, but since he used to stole the triumphs of other witches and wizards it kinda seems that that was the case. When I reread the books I kinda got the feeling that the first Four books were just about the sense of wonder around a magical world, and it was only until book 5 that Rowling really did sat down in order to try and write down the laws of her world.

[@haley4699]

I think she was so focused on getting the books out so that the movies could be made on time that it harmed the series. Which is why there are such conflicting details now that shes had time to think about it after finishing them

[@elizabethkelley2559]

​@@nurarihion In Lockhart's case, he was probably making stuff up to seem more impressive. He did that a lot.

[@elfeneule103]

I came here to write the same thing about Grimmault place. Sirius also wasn't allowed out. So I really think that Dumbledore was the secret keeper for Sirius and his house. And then they made it the head quarter. I can't remember about the Bill's cottage, though. It seems I need to reread that book. 😊

[@sofiadragon6520]

All good catches! It was Sirius's house so Dumbledore isn't his own secret keeper for sure. Some of this can be cleared up by "they lied." Tom Riddle's comment about werewolf cubs in particular might have been testing how naive Harry was, and Bill sating he found a way to be his own secret keeper vould just be a level of paranoia. As for Lockhart, he might uave confused Wolfsbane for a cure, he's wrong about everything else after all. And between reading her own books' fanfiction and the editors clearly backing off telling her to cut down legnth and unnecessary detail, JKR bloated the last few books with a lot of self indulgent worldbuilding at the cost of a tighter story. Especially with the essays written on her website after the books were published! A lot of the stuff she's upset people by saying is in that extra material, so she would have saved herself a lot of grief.

[@stefandepizzol237]

Hermione is able to enlarge the inside of her bag in way that dozens of books, a sword, a big portrait, et cetera, fit in there. But sadly enough, a few cans of ravioli didn‘t fit in there and they were hungry for months… smart girl she is😂

[@leto-nl]

Caring more for books then food would fit her character. She might have focussed more on book and information then being practical and pack food as well. Another thing. Why did they not summon food. We know from the books that ted tonks just summon fish from the river with accio. Yet they pick mushrooms.

[@imperialinquisition6006]

@@leto-nl They also catch or summon fish from the river. When they can they go to super markets as well. It’s just that they are getting tracked down by death eaters and dementors being quite prevalent around the place as well that cause them to spend most of their time hiding in the forest. When they have the opportunity to get decent food they take it, but they don’t always have that. Also it’s a story and it makes the plot more interesting if they are without food sometimes, I suspect Hermione going on a Tesco meal deal run every couple of days might not be so interesting.

[@imperialinquisition6006]

I guess she didn’t think they would be starving in the forest. They do have to leave quite suddenly, so maybe she didn’t get to packing food or something, and then they spend their time at 12 Grimauld place which has food, but then have to leave that suddenly as well. To be honest they managed to forage, steal or buy enough food to survive for months so they didn’t do so badly.

[@leto-nl]

@@imperialinquisition6006 yes fair point about the plot

[@Boltman12278]

Correct hermoine is a bad muggle. I would have put all of Costco in there. Damn the price too I would have just bagged crap and aparated the hell out of there. No membership required.

[@jovanweismiller7114]

I've no idea how wealthy Colin Creavey's family was, but even in the 1990s, newer, electronic cameras were quite expensive. It is not at all farfetched to believe he was using an all-mechanical device. As late as 2005, I worked in a store where we regularly developed film from such cameras.

[@Shadow81989]

At some point in the books it mentions his father being a milkman, so I guess not super wealthy...

[@mankiratsinghsidhu1602]

I think the camera of Colin worked because he used a potion to develop the photos which as he was told by other students, would turn the pictures into moving magical pictures

[@josejbion]

The worst atrocity in the HP universe is cursed child! The #1 is also my worst but close second is the destruction of Harry's character, one of the biggest emphases in the whole series is that he's good and kind to make him such a horrible person on the cursed child is an insult to everyone

[@scottleitner4801]

Everything about The Cursed Child was a canon breaker

[@Shantosh9550]

The biggest blunder in the Fantastic Beast films has to be the bloodpact between Dumbledore and Grindlewald. The bloodpact was to prevent each other from fighting but the last time they saw each other was when they got into a fight in which they accidentally killed Ariana. If they were able to fight then, when exactly did they make this pact?

[@elizabethkelley2559]

It may have been right after that, but it also may not have fully counted since Aberforth was also part of the fight.

[@LightningCrystal]

It seems very unlikely, as Grindelwald pretty much immediately went back to his home in Godric's Hollow and didn't see Albus the next day when he left. This is an example of cannon being broken.

[@MattJo-j5c]

It seems they can still cast spells at one another indirectly (hence why the blood pact could be broken by both their spells meeting). It’s more likely Albus had to get creative with ricocheting spells off walls, hence the ferocity of the three way duel. That’s at least one way of looking at it

[@sannasaare7100]

Great list. The Cursed Child is just … cursed. (There must be a backstory as to why Rowling added her name to the authors list, when it’s clear she had little to do with the story).

[@_-reputation.noitatuper-_]

That's pretty easy. Just one word, MONEY

[@mya1999]

I mean she wrote the scripts for Fantastic beasts and she breaks canon there multiple times as well

[@jonathanfitzharris4196]

Fantastic beasts movies - messy and meh Cursed child - what. How. No.

[@CharliArmstrong]

9. In HP early days, the American publisher Scholastic had a page on its website dedicated to HP pronunciations. The site pronounced it with a silent T. When the first film came out and everyone was using a hard T, I thought it was strange but shrugged it off. 😂

[@SevenTheMisgiven]

If true then actually I am pretty sure the kids would bully each other if anyone used Voldemorts name with a silent T. I have a vague recollection of it.

[@itzrozati4091]

We can just choose to ignore cursed child, yeah?

[@hackman669]

Yeah

[@stefandepizzol237]

It doesn’t exactly break canon but I think it‘s quite impressive how bad the inflation in the magical world was between HP2 and HP6. In 2 the weasleys owned a single galleon in their safe at Gringotts, in 6 a single school book (potions) costs multiple galleons 😂

[@SevenTheMisgiven]

You know what breaks canon? Galleons are the size of a cars hubcap. Enjoy!

[@cptjeff1]

Yeah, as originally introduced it seemed like the galleon was supposed to be like the British pound was historically- literally worth a pound of silver, and if you were working class you'd be lucky if you made 5 pounds in a year, and where nobles might earn a few hundred. And the single galleon in the Weasleys' vault makes sense in that context. But then the exchange rate changed a wee bit.

[@sbatou87]

Chalk it up to artistic license - economics.

[@nathanielrasey]

#11: Changing Ravenclaw from blue and bronze eagles to Blue and grey Ravens.

[@elfeneule103]

Oh yes, and I don!t even know why. It makes no sense at all.

[@Jebu911]

Maybe ravenclaw had an image problem and they hired someone to rebrand them.

[@FlanylShirtman]

I could have sworn I either read or saw an interview with JK saying the T in Voldemort was supposed to be silent in the mid-2000's. No one cared then, and she didn't sound particularly bothered by it either.

[@poopenfarten800]

If you have the earlier audio books from that time, it is pronounced with a silent T like she intended.

[@FlanylShirtman]

@@poopenfarten800 I have the Jim Dale versions, but haven't listened to them in a long time, but I think you're right. Pretty sure in the early ones he kept the T silent. Then started pronouncing the T after the first movie came out. I only brought it up here because in this video he said JK announced it in 2015. He's at least 10 years off. I think it was 2004 or 2005 when I heard/read that interview. I am also remembering pronunciation comparisons I found online back then between the movies and what JK intended in the books. The summoning charm from Goblet of Fire for example. I still have no idea how that one was actually supposed to sound. In my head I read "axio" similar to the word accept, but in the movie Harry said "akky-oh", and for the audiobook, Jim said "assy-oh". All of them are correct, but I have no clue which one JK intended.

[@SevenTheMisgiven]

@@FlanylShirtman Hah, this one! People will bully you for saying it whatever way you said it. People have no imagination and they will always say they pronounced it as in the movies. There is a reason there are 2 c's in that word in my opinion. I had this discussion with people who insisted on knowing how I pronounced things. It actually feels really good to know that so many people were wrong from back then. And I normally really don't mind how someone imagines a story but in this case.

[@FuDziWuDzi]

I saw an unedited interview with Rowling here on KZbin while she was still writing book 3, she actually pronounces Voldemort in the French way.

[@terakhanthis]

Voldemort attacked the Potters on October 31st. The books open on Tuesday, and McGonagall states it happened, 'last night.' October 31st that year was a Saturday.

[@zimonzieclown1633]

Don't even try opening that can of worms; Rowling is lousy with dates and numbers, she said so herself.

[@hamishsewell5990]

A canon break for me was how Barty Crouch Jr got out of prison in Goblet of Fire. The film left out that entire plotline. Plus he’s revealed right at the beginning. As Dominic Noble said in his Lost in Adaptation episode on it, unless you’ve read the book, it makes no sense

[@bruhdon4748]

That whole movie ruined a lot of plot lines, it was a mystery book especially compared to the others & literally ALL the mystery is gone lol

[@hamishsewell5990]

@@bruhdon4748 indeed, the entire Crouch Jr plotline was just removed.

[@bruhdon4748]

@@hamishsewell5990 a lot was removed, I used to really like the goblet of fire movie as a kid and young teenager, I hadn’t read the books growing up and the movies were the only thing I was exposed to for a long time, I always liked the challenges and the expanding of the wizarding world by introducing other schools and I loved moody as a character too, I ended up listening to the audio books & they left out several entire important plot lines & sections of the story that are fundamental to the story, it’s like if Star Wars was originally a book and in the movie adaption they miss out the entire part of Luke being s farm boy, getting the droids & seeing leia asking obi wan for help, just doesn’t make sense to me & after rewatching after listening to the audiobook it made me realise why everyone hates the goblet of fire movie

[@hamishsewell5990]

@@bruhdon4748 oh definitely. Another point that was different- the two foreign schools, in the film one is all girls and the other is all guys - would Scandinavia only have wizards and Europe only have witches? Bit odd as the books have them as co-ed

[@bruhdon4748]

@@hamishsewell5990 yeah I never got the point of doing that? Made no sense, I’m pretty sure the director didn’t care and didn’t even read the books and complained the movie he was doing was the thickest book in the series or something

[@sachalessdarktide9813]

As far as secret keepers go. Dumbledore was Sirius' and Bill was his Aunts. Shell cottage belonged to their aunt and they were staying there in hiding.

[@LaLayla99]

How was Ron able to find Bill & Fleur at the cottage or provide the location of the cottage to Dobby/Harry?

[@94leroyal]

I heard an answer to the James being his own secret keeper one- they needed somebody outside of the pair of them to keep in contact with the outside world. Yes, it would have been most safe to completely cut contact, but that would be incredibly tough for a person.

[@bernhardnigg1889]

yes but it's flawed: The secret keeper can share the secret with others which in turn can not share it further, but can enter the secret. James or Lily could have safely told the Member of the first Order of Phoenix and still be as safe as possible. My cannon is that the secret keeper needs to regularly be outside of the secret to keep it up. For the Potters this would have been far to dangerous, but is possible for the others since they are not that active hunted. But then again I don't care about the movies and pottermore so my "canon" most likely is "worng" .

[@baystated]

I wonder if there were advancements in "Secret Keeper" spells since it failed so tragically for the Potters and then Dumbledore developed a better one between the two wars and would have shared it with his allies.

[@leto-nl]

It wasnt the spell that failed but the trust they placed in there secret keeper. The spell would have word fine if he kept hes mouth shut but well then there would not have been much of a story to tell :)

[@neonjinn]

I wondered that as well, as it's not the 1st example we get of someone advancing magic (so to speak); the potion Snape brews for Lupin wasn't a thing when Lupin was in school, which is why he needed the shrieking shack & whomping willow; even things like the Sorcerer's/Philosopher's stone and 'discovering' the many uses of Dragon's blood could be considered advancements

[@raina1848]

I lost it right there as soon as you started mentioning things like Voldemort and Bellatrix having "carnal relations" and whether he was "up for it". 🤣🤣🤣

[@leto-nl]

They could be a spell. like Viaga extremus or Boner erectus XD

[@raina1848]

@@leto-nl I'm dying! 🤣🤣🤣

[@barstokians365]

9. The part about the pronunciation of "Voldemort" that always got me is, it wasn't some random, out of the blue thing that happened in 2015. I distinctly remember the original, Jim Dale audiobooks pronouncing the name with a silent T, which threw me off for a while, but I had come to accept it by the time the movie came out and threw me off yet again with the hard T. If memory serves, both of the first audiobooks, Philosopher's Stone and Chamber of Secrets, had the silent T pronunciation, and by the time audiobook 3 came out it felt like they'd "given in" to the movie pronunciation.

[@kayleeriley3591]

Yeah, that chain confused me too even now when I’m talking to people about the books a lot of times I don’t pronounce the T because that’s how I got used to hearing and saying it originally.

[@Nhellis89]

Yes, good call! Also, Jk was on record before the films came out in interviews clarifying that the proper pronunciation of Voldemort included a silent T. When the movies came out (since the majority of fans pronounced it with a hard T) she let it go through without officially correcting it.

[@crawdaddy2004]

2:08 thinking about it, I would think that Aberforth absolutely could read, as he owns a business that would require him to differentiate items.

[@LuisRodriguez-kz7nt]

And do numbers

[@jonathandaffron1781]

The clarification of Voldemort’s name pronunciation didn’t exactly come out of nowhere. The first four audiobooks of the series had Voldemort pronounced with a silent ‘T’ and it wasn’t until the fifth book, in which the first film came out at that point, for Scholastic to change how Jim Dale pronounced it because they saw the success of the movies. I’m sure that J.K. Rowling had a part in both the initial decision and the change. With the Snape and Bellatrix running in the same circles one, this can simply mean that they hung out with the same types of people, it doesn’t necessarily mean they hung out with those people at the same time. With the secret keeper one, you are unable to be your own secret keeper in the sense that you can’t hide yourself, so Lily and James could not be their own secret keepers. Dumbledore and Bill are able to be the secret keepers for their own residences, but not for themselves. This is shown in the books when, while explaining how the charm works, Flitwick says that Voldemort could have his nose against their sitting room window and still not see them, showing that the Potters themselves, and not the cottage they were in, were hidden.

[@mindyschocolate]

Oh, the cast was definitely cast more than ten years older. They easily look middle aged, and in the books James and Lily were 21 when they died. Practically kids.

[@frankfuentealba]

Wow, now that I think about it, the cast was atrocious. Lily and James looked 35+ lol

[@Rodytur10]

To be fair, the books and movies treated the kids (Harry's generation) as more mature than their actual age and the parents of that generation as somewhat less vital than their originally meant age (even though witches and wizards get older than muggles). Think about what Sirius said against Harry in Order of the Phoenix: HARRY POTTER: Do you really think there's going to be a war, Sirius? SIRIUS BLACK: It feels like it did before. You keep it. Anyway, I suppose you're the young ones now. Here Harry is 15 and Sirius is supposed to be 35/36. What kind of grown-up in his thirties would basically say that a bunch of non-fully educated kids should fight the most dangerous evil wizard in history, while his generation would take a supportive more advisary role? In particular a guy like Sirius who's all about adventure? Makes no sense.

[@inmay4446]

I'm reading OOTP right now and some of the stuft Sirius says or does sounds very immature to me...Just like a man who was imprisoned in his early 20s and has not been able to live, make his own experiences and learning from them. So he, and this is mentioned in the book, basically lives through Harry and struggles between his parental role and his longing for Harry to be like his best friend James. In the past I was always on Sirius side against Molly, but growing older I think she is right with a lot of things.

[@pauocampo0525]

‘ By the time Cursed Child was released, it should’ve been apparent that Rowling just wanted to milk the franchise for money. And yes, many Potterheads wanted to expand the wizarding world but not the expense of the world that’s already built.

[@toeray5864]

The Delphini thing is so stupid. Voldemort is so far removed from what a human being is he shouldn't even have a sex drive.

[@hackman669]

Plus he is dead.😊

[@spriken]

10. Most of what we know about Aberforth came from Dumbledore/his friends, it's possible they were being petty. When we actually talk to him in "Deathly Hollows" he doesn't act dumb. 6. I have no problem with no knowing Nagini was a human, mostly because it's been so long that no one remembers her, and if her human mind is still in there so few people would be able to understand her. 5. On the surface seems dumb but if you wanted to stay in hiding but still wanted someone to be able to send people to you it may seem better for someone else to be the secret keeper. 2. That camera should work just fine. Due to it's age it's mechanical, not electrical, and plenty of cameras even into the 90s didn't use batteries. 1. I know the thought is right up there with thinking about your parents doing it but the thing is even evil people like to get their rocks off. In plenty of places women go right back to work plowing fields after giving birth and I can see Bellatrix very motivated to get right back to the fight. As to where Delphi is during Deathly Hollows, I don't think Bellatrix seems like the maternal type. She'd be likely to just pass it on to someone eles to take care of. Also, Voldemort did seem to have some attachment to Bellatrix at least on some level, because he did rescue her in the ministry and he yelled in rage when he saw her killed by Molly and tried to go after Molly. It's a strange reaction from him, it's not like he had any real reaction about the deaths of any of his other people.

[@Spr0ket]

6:41 i don't know how cannon can be broken if nowhere in cannon it is mentioned that Nagini was just a plain snake ,just like it wasn't mentioned that she isn't a plain snake. Edit: to be fair only thing that's weird after Fantastic Beasts is how she ended up in Albania, to meet Voldemort, not even why she joined him. After that many years meeting someone who could speak to you probably made decision easy

[@steveneaton9611]

The guy that did the audiobooks was instructed on how to pronounce every name correctly by JK. He says it without the T sound from the beginning.

[@steveneaton9611]

Perhaps saying it with the T sound at the end exempts you from the curse he put on his own name. The narrator didn't have to worry about that. It would make more sense if the movies clarified that even his own followers were afraid to say his real name, even after he "died." He just comes out saying Voldamor, get it right.

[@LyleFrancisDelp]

Three words: The Cursed Child

[@Diego_i]

the worst enemy of HP is its author. Sometime fanfics is better constructed than what JK does, this even including the sequels and pottermore content

[@boontime]

Even if you couldn't perform the Fidelius charm on yourself they still could have done it on each other. James could have made Lily the secret keeper or vice versa.

[@hackman669]

Even worse why make Peter the secret keeoer.

[@bruhdon4748]

@@hackman669because the plot wouldn’t have happened

[@TemariNaraannaschatz]

This could have been so easy to fix if they simply stated that they redefined the charm so that one can cast it on themselves, which was previously not possible.

[@leto-nl]

@@hackman669 That was Sirius idea. Thinking Voldemort would guest him to be the secret keeper and come after him in stead of Peter

[@colin.d]

The time turner was the thing that disturbs me most and how convenient they all got damaged beyong repair at the DoM.

[@ZOB4]

Essentially just ignore everything written after Deathly Hallows and the changes made for casting decisions and it’s not so bad.

[@absolutedegenerate2992]

It's quite simple how delphini was born. Voldemort was feeling "down bad" but didn't have anyone to do it with. He just began to unzip when he got the bright idea, to fetch bellatrix. 😂😂😂

[@stefandepizzol237]

The trace. We learn in DH that it reveals magic performed AROUND under age wizards… Countless times someone performed magic around Harry when he wasn‘t 17 yet, iE… - The ministry should have known that Hagrid used his umbrella to give Dudley the pig tail in HP1 - Moody performing magic at the Dursley‘s house in HP5 and HP7 would have meant that the ministry knew that they were there - Dumbledore performing magic around him several times (apparating, Met-Glasses, moving sofa, in the horcrux cave…) - Mundungus apparating near harry in HP5 before the Dementor‘s attack …

[@inmay4446]

Also: What about Witches/Wizards born into Wizarding households? It would never work because there is magic around them ALL THE TIME

[@cptjeff1]

@@inmay4446Read the damn books, that one is clearly explained. It in fact doesn't work because there's magic around them all the time. They just trust parents to police it.

[@JamesHoffa1]

​@@cptjeff1So it only practically works on muggle borns and Harry Potter? How convenient.

[@JamesHoffa1]

​@@cptjeff1Why would a system that only works on muggle borns and Harry Potter even exist in universe? It wouldn't.

[@nisar8009]

I agree. I’ve never even considered the cursed child! It’s ridiculous! And another one I find silly is in the Deathly Hallows when Harry keeps wondering why Dumbledore never told him about his family living in Godric’s Hollow (and other family information) when he and Dumbledore barely even ever had tea together! When did he have a chance? They really weren’t together that often! I’ve actually found a couple of mistakes JK made while writing the books. She forgets what her characters are doing or wearing.

[@LyleFrancisDelp]

The concept of the time turner was quite an upset in Rowling's world. That's why she had them all destroyed at the ministry. Easy way out.

[@RobertLydonReviews]

Regarding Colin’s camera I’m pretty sure you just answered your own question. A more fun head canon is Dumbledore allowed it to work because he like Colin and low key enjoyed him annoying people

[@AvatAR42420]

I always thought Colin's camera was enchanted, much like those used by the Daily Prophet.

[@melaniemanning2462]

I just thought Colin creevy's camera was modified to be a wizarding camera, or that's what wizarding cameras looked like. And they still make magical photos that move, don't they?

[@gumbycat5226]

Cursed Child showed me that JK had lost the plot. She should read Roland Barthes, The Death of the Author. Once you put something out, you lose control.

[@thatonedude]

​@ameliaw.1500Ah yeah, the classic "you can't critique a film if you never made a film yourself." argument. Then eat all food, you didn't make it, so eat it. Drink all liquids, can't complain because you didn't make it. Didn't like a show? Crazy, you didnt make a show yourself. A book let you down? Can't dislike it, you never wrote one yourself! Horrible argument for a horrible stance.

[@leto-nl]

My biggest cannon break is that in the HP its often mentioned wizards and witches dont get muggle clothing as they usually where robes. Yet in the time of fantastic beast they really where all up to date on muggle fashion and we see them in suits and dresses. We even see dumbledor teaching while wearing a suit.

[@inmay4446]

The whole Muggle/Wizarding World division is in general not very thought through and changes a ton throughout the books depending in the situation.

[@zkkaik]

To me Voldemort wanting to have a child makes total sense: A: Voldemort had seen downsides of old age in Dumbledore and perhaps in Nicolas Flamel B: Voldemort know that if his body would die his soul would persist and he could take over other wizards body sharing it with their soul C: Dementors can suck out a soul leaving a living empty body shell behind So the child would not have been destined to anything but a vessel to host Voldemort's soul once the body he had would have starting to get frail. Bellatrix makes sense as Voldemort would consider nothing less than a pure-blood heir (no romance needed). Perhaps at the point when the child would had got it's Hogwards letter Voldemort would had arrived accompanied by a Dementor ready to transfer his soul to "his" new body.

[@Tophadoodledoo]

In Universe, i can see the Fidelius Charm having been experimented with between the Potters' deaths and the time of the books; that no one at the time had considered that they could be their own secret keeper.

[@theLadyScribe]

Yeah and I have seen a few fanfics stating that

[@cmknoll3]

Regarding the secret keeper thing, there is a potentially good reason that Lily and James used someone else as the secret keeper. That reason being that they were meant to never leave the house while Voldemort was after Harry. But they needed a secret keeper that they trusted who could exist outside in order to share the secret as needed, with the likes of Dumbledore and their immediate peers. They obviously could have just told those people the secret first and just went into hiding after, but remember that this was also wartime and they couldn't trust that all their companions and those in on the secret would survive indefinitely while they were stuck inside. But by having the secret keeper outside, able to keep apprised of the situation and move about and give the secret to others, they would be able to ensure that they wouldn't ever need to be forced to leave the house to get information or seek help. Dumbledore didn't need to hide in 12 Grimauld Place, and while Bill and Fleur were hiding in Shell cottage, they were not being actively hunted by Voldemort like the Potters had been, so they have more flexibility and could afford to leave on occasion and serve as their own secret keeper.

[@Phil_Cleaver]

In “the book The Goblet of Fire” first task Harry plays to his strengths and flying like a virtuoso wins with enough flair that Krum comments. Crowd favour starts to turn his way. In the movie the dragon breaks free and Harry, flying so badly it could have been Nevill, looses control of the broom and crashes into a roof. The crowd would not have seen anything let alone being impressed. In the DVD extras the makers tell us how impressed they were with themselves, it seems for avoiding a flying scene.

[@RaunoNasir]

Was nagini's "canon" broken? I didn't know there was any origin story on her until fantastic beasts movies

[@xlerb2286]

The camera shown is an Argus C3. A popular camera in it's day and made from the 30's into the 60's. And, as most cameras were in those decades, completely mechanical. If the flash attachment was fitted it would of course have used a battery to set off the flash.

[@sk8erm870]

A lot of people like to complain about the ages of Harry’s parents, the Marauders etc in the films but what people seem to forget is their ages weren’t revealed until Deathly Hallows when Harry and Hermione visited Godrics Hollow. The book was released in 2007 and by that time the film franchise had released 4 films with the 5th film being released the same year. I read the books before seeing the films and I never imagined Snape in his early thirties, I always pictured him in his late thirties to mid forties. But yes I agree with the rest of the things you’ve talked about, the Fantastic Beasts films are completely contradictory and Cursed Child; don’t get me started on that crap!

[@iio_moon]

I don't think there is a statement that claims time turners can't change the past. Hermione even talks about wizards who time travel kill themselves in confusion and if the future one kills the past, it creates a alternative timeline just as the cursed child. And while 5hour is the safe line for time traveling without danger, it certainly is possible to travel way further without the side effects(aging etc) if the artifact is improved or enhenced like in the cursed child where Nott creates the so called true time turners.

[@Curtiz2008]

My question involves Snape showing up at Godric's Hollow. How did he know where the Potter's were? Voldemort would not have said anything to his Death Eaters and Pettigrew would not face angering his boss. Maybe a dramatic scene for the movie, but lacking logic.

[@4rnnr117]

I would say that Colin creevy's camera isn't that bad, and he could've bought an enchanted one that prints moving pictures like we see on the daily prophet. Arthur Weasley did have a flying car after all, it's not all ran on gasoline, it converts motion into electric energy to power lights and steering.

[@kayleeriley3591]

I think it is just an ordinary old Muggle camera, because he tells Harry that a boy in his dormitory tells him if he uses the right potion to develop the pictures they will move.

[@sterlingdennett]

Maybe Delphini WASN'T Bellatrix and Voldemort's kid, but a follower succumbing to her own fantastical delusions of grandeur? I mean, do we have ANY way of confirming her parentage, other than people's word? Not just her own word, but whoever else told her she was Crazy B and Voldy's kid? Isn't there some kind of spell that can determine parentage? Fetus Confirmus, maybe? This is the same problem they have in Star Wars - everybody is trusting their "feelings" to tell them Vader, Luke and Leia are related. They have spaceships in that universe, but they don't have DNA tests? WTH, man?

[@elizabeths.3634]

It was Bellatrix's husband who said it and no actually proof was given. I basically said the same thing.

[@ELisa-qf2mw]

When reading The cursed child, I straight-up assumed that Bellatrix had used a love potion on Voldemort, because there was just no enough human nature left in him to spontaneously feel not even the most basic, mechanical form of sexual drive. And the idea of His High Arrogance Lord Voldemort succumbing to a stupid love potion just like the Muggle father whom he had based his entire so-called life on despising had done, was beyond funny and satisfying to me. This said, I deem The cursed child as the worst book I've ever read.

[@elizabeths.3634]

Yeah, I see your point. As funny as that is I still have trouble believing Bellatrix was ever pregnant. As for the cursed child, that should be nothing more then someone's fan fiction, not cannon.

[@jarnMod]

11:30 I remember seeing that and wonder why didn't they bring Maxim gun to fight death-eaters, you know, turn them into lead-eaters.

[@eternalbookwyrm9481]

I liked Nagini being a past witch with a horrible curse, I felt that it made sense!!!

[@Anthony-1701]

Sounds like one of the best solutions is to disregard everything after deathly hallows as non canan including some of the silly things that the author JK said herself after the conclusion of the series. Maybe the Harry Potter TV series will cast everyone at the right ages. It just sounds like they're just needing some kind of exposition as to why the Potters didn't want to be their own secret keeper. Makes me wonder why Voldemort didn't make people secret keepers for his horcruxes and then just kill them. Shouldn't that have kept them safer?

[@gregoryk.9815]

Secret keeper you're assuming Bill cast the charm and Dumbledore cast the charm for The Potter's. Remember bill was married to Fleur and she was a well practiced which you could do very very difficult charms. Also we don't know who cast the fidelius charm for The Potter's.

[@SimplySammyK]

the Voldemort part i'll choose to explain away like this. Voldemort not being his real name, his pronunciation was French, but being in the UK Brits pronounced the T not knowing it had French pronunciation... Now I have images of Volde being a Karen screaming at the students for mispronouncing his name xD "IT'S VOLDEMOR HARRY!!!"

[@elwoodbrown2431]

Now on the pregnancy you can be 9 months pregnant and still have no belly. There was a whole show series about this.

[@indita97]

You're too nice for just mentioning "headache" comments to cursed child. Many potterheads just simply throw it in a bin 😂

[@l.a.williams1879]

Jim Dale pronounced 3:45 it properly in the audiobook

[@othernamename8006]

I LOVE the Harry Potter series- books and films, but I won’t watch any of the continuations: Fantastic Beasts, Cursed Child etc. because they don’t make sense to me (respectfully).

[@Bird-Birdy-Love]

Most of these inconsistency is due to the fantastic beasts movies or the cursed child books, both media that were not directly written by J.K Rowling, you can really tell at that point it was no longer about maintain the canon it was to milk the franchise with all these references and cameo canon to the main story, the first fantastic beasts movie worked cause it was mostly on its own as we got a spin off that focused on a new area and lore of the wizarding world without referencing harry potter much at all and than they just had to connect it to dumbledore and Grindelwald and you know what happened after.

[@arrowghost]

Cursed Child is the easiest of all, it's not just the obvious, but when you look at Harry's kids, it only focuses on Albus Severus Potter, where's the other 2? Especially James Sirius Potter is omitted.

[@musichere3287]

The secret keeper thing is frustrating. Bill being his own secret keeper serves no purpose to the story. It was literally a pointless addition that only creates problems for the previous canon. I hope the HBO series excludes it

[@TheMokeyMokeyChannel]

I would like to add that Iam a german reader of Harry Potter. And our books and audio books asked Rowling of the pronounciation of Voldermort. And she revealed its french origin and the „t“ was silent in every audio book read since Philosophers stone here in germany. So its not entirely true.

[@TheMokeyMokeyChannel]

*Edit* I realized they even used the silent „T“ in the german movies. But they were inconsistent with that. In some movies they just use the „T“ normal again.

[@kayleeriley3591]

Even in the American version of the first couple audiobooks, the tea is silent

[@mwboutdoor4239]

I think about mid way through she got that movie deal and had to hurry to get the books done thats when you start getting the plot holes and continuity issues.

[@Makoto03]

In my opinion, the worst examples of lore breaking are when the Author JK Rowling makes statements after the fact, that directly contradict what she wrote in her book. That's even worse than changes made in the film, since you'd think she would respect her own lore more.

[@Giantsfanlewis]

She stole the books, why would she care

[@dannylagangonzalez6832]

@@Giantsfanlewiswhat do you mean she stole the books, she wrote them.

[@Giantsfanlewis]

@dannylagangonzalez6832 The first book was plagiarized. The book that started it all and everything was based on wasn't her original idea.

[@malachistice8111]

​@@Giantsfanlewiswhat is this, the book that shall not be named? Whats it called bro?

[@Giantsfanlewis]

@malachistice8111 my bad, after looking into the matter further, apparently she hasn't lost any of the cases for plagiarism. I thought she had so that's on me. Must be a Mandela effect type thing

[@Toast-by5wu]

Dumbledore didn’t own Grimould place nor did Bill own shell cottage. Also, the secrets being kept were the headquarters and a safe house locations of the order. The secrets were to protect the order not specifically Bill and Dumbledore.

[@amidaobscura]

Making Ron weaker and a jerk sometimes while Hermione got braver and perfect in the movies is the thing I most despised. I don't care about fantastic beasts or cursed child, never considered them actually part of the story.

[@HarveyMeadowlark]

I remember when the books were being released, how excited I was to read Deathly Hallows, and then being so bothered by Ron opening the Chamber of Secrets that I thought “nothing in the series will ever bother me as much as this”. And then, almost a decade later, we got the Cursed Child.

[@DeafaningEcho]

I always thought the cursed child was a torture attempt. A fan wanted to know what crusio felt like, so rowle made a book that would make the fans deal that amount of pain.

[@cacklebabygg6156]

Also harry playing dudleys electronics while theyre away mentioned in book 1. Shouldnt the computer/gaming system malfunction to the point harry moves on to something else

[@IvyHilts]

I’d like to think that Nagini met Merope (at some point at the orphanage someone says that she looked right out from a circus) and promised her that she will look after the kid even as a snake, that she will protect him….

[@Curtiz2008]

Colin's camera was film, not digital. The only electronics involved with that kind of camera would be for the flash. A simple battery would most likely not be affected by all the magic. However, try using video tape (magnetic) or digital then everything is overwhelmed. As for other problems related to Fantastic Beasts, that series of films was pretty much a pile of flobber worms and really contributed nothing useful to the series. I regret very much watching them.

[@LyleFrancisDelp]

I see the Nagini-as-a-maledictus issue as a new discovery, not a breach of canon. So we learn something new about the wizarding world. That's what Harry Potterverse is all about, right? And frankly, it very well could explain Filch's obsession with Mrs. Norris. And...well....Nagini was smoking' hot.

[@PaintingMeJosh]

When I reread the books over the summer I came across another "the characters are all being really dumb" type of plot hole that's as mind boggling as the secret keeper one. The Goblet of Fire introduces the pensieve. The pensieve was in Dumbledore's office the whole time, the entire series. There's no reason to believe it wasn't there since before the series even started. Yet in The Prisoner of Azkaban, Dumbles never once suggests to Fudge to pull Sirius's memories and see the truth of what happened on the day of Wormtail's alleged death. We can also assume that the Ministry of Magic would have their own pensieve, so why would they not use this clearly well-established lie detector in all criminal cases? Seems like a pretty cut and dry way to rule out which Death Eaters were lying about the Imperious Curse. Even if the Ministry didn't have their own pensieve, Dumbledore's still would've the clearest course of action to prove that Harry wasn't lying in Order of the Phoenix about Voldy's return. TLDR: Book 4 introduces the pensieve, yet none of characters ever once think to use it as a lie detector at any point throughout the series, resulting in several plot holes that range from mildly annoying to downright infuriating.

[@kayleeriley3591]

Yes, that bothers me too. I wonder if Dumbledore is the only person to have one because it does seem likely that the one Dumbledore has is the only one it also seems to be quite an old item though, so I don’t know why the ministry wouldn’t have known about it.

[@professorsassafras]

Why didn't James ask someone from Hufflepuff to be secret keeper. They're known for loyalty. Or why did he only cast one spell. Yes it was a powerful one but did he actually think one spell would defeat Voldemort?

[@LEGODUDE363___]

I believe in the cursed Child it is explained how they got the time Turner. It had something to do with Scorpius's family friend or something?

[@shibitoobscura3348]

3:02 Glad that this "change" didn't affect us French viewers, as we've been pronouncing it with a silent "t" from the beginning

[@stefandepizzol237]

The german audiobook reader pronounced it without the ‚t‘ from the beginning as well

[@dressagegirlkae]

I’m the daughter of a long line of electrical engineers so I always accepted the camera as cannon because it’s a mechanical camera with no computerized parts and real film. The only part of the camera that might need electricity is a flash, but that can be achieved by mechanical instead of electric means. So theoretically, a wizard could drive a 50’s Caddy or a model T as long as they are not in an area with a lot of other wizards. Good luck getting your stereo to work though!

[@joshlansford1706]

How about the fact that in deathly hallows Hermione both alters her parents memory and then later IN THE SAME BOOK (chapter 9) says "Nor have I, but I know the theory"? After Ron says " I've never done a memory charm"

[@kluaoha731]

You could have made the whole video the Cursed Child.

[@helRAEzzzer]

Colin's camera has a flash.... That uses light bulbs. Yes, early cameras required new bulbs for every time the flash was set off, as it was more explosive, but we are really starting to get into territory that requires more a specific definition of what constitutes an electrical device. That film also had a loud speaker for announcements. I always just assumed they had magical equivalents for those two things. The books describe a magical equivalent of analog photo printing using potions to make paintings move, so it's not that big of a stretch to assume they had a few things that crossed with muggle tech, especially with wizards like Arthur Weasley who modify muggle tech to fit into a wizard's lifestyle.

[@jordanhooper1527]

I think dumbledore saying that aberforth couldn't read is just classic British sarcasm and the chances of that being true are very low.

[@nksj28]

I suppose this isn't a major canon break, but I found it hilarious that the trolley witch suddenly had claws in The Cursed Child - yet another reason that I absolutely hated that book.

[@hunterkiller1440]

Liquid Luck and Time Turners

[@stefandepizzol237]

The trace