DID IT SUCK? | Doctor Who [SPYFALL PART 2 REVIEW]

[@TheJaviferrol]

Gallifrey falls no More Until a showrunner runs outta original ideas apparently

[@Immedicable]

Runs out? When did Chibs have any in the first place?

[@czerwonykwadrat6843]

Trailf It’s so bad it’s original

[@nightowl8477]

It was Moffat who ran out of ideas, pal.

[@jeckjeck3119]

I liked it.

[@mjm3091]

We deserved a proper Gallifreyan story... More than one probably. Like we waited 8/9 seasons for it to be really brought back and Chibnail gives us bs like that? If he also fully redcons Missy, then I dont think anything other than redconing whole Chibnail run could save us.

[@Fraserr997]

The Master waited years to get to the present day but didn't think of saving himself or teaming up with himself when he was on Earth in the 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s, 10s...

[@DonHbankz]

Or even enacting his plan early like he came at the exact point they were going to stop everything instead of initiating everything earlier

[@apexa903]

True like when he ruled the world for a year

[@lesigh1749]

He could have teamed up with he third Reich. Its amazing how fast skin colour stops being their biggest issue when you hand them the designs of an H bomb or a fighter jet. he already destroys Gallifrey, why would he care about changing Earth history to get himself out of a bind?

[@jaydunsmore050897]

Good point actually, maybe different time line ?

[@davidsteel4993]

What I wondered was... He's a flipping Time Lord! Why didn't he just whip up a time machine and travel back to 2020!

[@ryanratchford2530]

I love the phrase “meanwhile in the present”

[@BoarVessel-BCEtruscanCer-xy7et]

Series 6-9 was practically all about Gallifrey. Chris Chibnall, in one episode, renders the efforts of 4 series effectively useless.

[@LiveHedgehog]

I don't get why Chibnall thinks it's necessary to have the characters over-explain everything.

[@Dominate955]

Because, we're all idiots, apparently...

[@jamesattenbourgh]

He thinks he’s writing for children and the shows trying to be “educational”. However children and we the more mature audience aren’t actually idiots so it falls flat for everyone. The kids are even more bored than we are from my experience.

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

It is just bad and insecure writing.

[@MANB91UK]

It's because he's a really bad writer and can't find another way to allow the explanation to occur organically in the story. The old adage; Show, Don't Tell. He can't do it.

[@TheIshikawaRin]

Doctor Who trying to be like Black Mirror is painful.

[@GlytcheD]

it really was...

[@golden_starlight_]

this series makes me so mad because all the actors are so good, the ideas are mostly good (even tho they could be better refined) and then the script and the dialogues are just so bad. it's like the star wars prequels all over again

[@GoogleUser-dwcy]

Don't diss the Star Wars prequels, I think they were good prequels.

[@Pir-o]

@@GoogleUser-dwcy prequels still ended up being better than disney sequels. thats the funny part.

[@MrGreaves]

The prequels are at least still enjoyable. This series just drains me.

[@NeroLeMorte]

*star wars sequels

[@fairsaa7975]

"Hopefully it won't get forgotten." No, we should have hoped that it would.

[@cria8282]

Even worse is the obvious... *THE DOCTOR IS A TIMELADY! SHE CAN REGENERATE! WHY WOULD HE LEAVE EVEN IF THEY DID SHOOT HER?!*

[@iHDFootball]

Eline Rosa actually yeh wtf

[@iansmart4158]

Being riddled with bullets, she won't regenerate. She'll just die.

[@zarbixii]

@@iansmart4158 Ah yes, the one weakness of a Time Lord, bullets.

[@yana5284]

@@iansmart4158 If the doctor can regenerate after being shot by a dalek in Journey's End or absorbing the bloody time vortex in the Parting of the Ways, he can do it after regular bullets. Also the master was shot, could've regenerated, but chose not to.

[@iansmart4158]

@@yana5284 Wasn't a fatal injury. Also we've seen with the Eleventh that if a timelord is fatally wounded, they regenerate, but if continued to be hurt without the regeneration being fulfilled they die. She'd start to regenerate and then be killed by the continued onslaught of bullets. Do you guys really think that if every dalek in existence fired on the doctor all at once that the doctor wouldn't be dead?

[@Roary166]

It was really strange how Paris was on fire in this episode considering that Germany didn’t bomb Paris at all because France surrendered, and its in 1943 so it was 2 years after France was invaded.

[@nigelhickman2274]

The Allies were bombing Paris in 1943!

[@FlamingoSundew]

I think the master shrunk people cuz he can is actually more like the master and does make sense

[@azuri5985]

I agree, a lot of reviewers keep skipping the fact that he is insane and childish :/

[@pandapotato1617]

Flamingosundew missy did it better, she seemed much more dangerous than this new master and was also funny. She did that all without shouting all the time unlike this Master, the childish thing to me is just annoying as for me the master should be erratic and you shouldn’t be able to predict what they’re going to do. But getting back to the point, if we take an example from The Magicians Apprentice missy is asked if she’s “turned good” and instead of laughing and saying no she disintergrates 2 guy right then and there which is like saying to someone “so you’re okay mentally now yes?” And then they stab a few people to death, whereas the new master walked into a room and to get people on the floor he just made them into figures which is like walking into a bank you’re going to rob and firing some warning shots except you shoot a few people instead to get everyone else to listen. Missy in my opinion is much more effective as she didn’t need to kill those people just to answer a question (and she remained calm the whole time) unlike the new master who kinda had to first some shots to get people listening. So no he didn’t shrink people just because he can but because people would just go “haha look at the weird shouty man” instead. It does make sense though that he’d shoot the people, especially when he shot the ones who didn’t even really move at all, that was very master-like.

[@FlamingoSundew]

@@pandapotato1617 well said! But I still think harry is *WAY* to negative on all of this

[@azuri5985]

Panda Potato Sigh, the master doesn’t have to be serious all the time, he can be childish and murder people all he wants

[@nyassaisleaving990]

This review annoyed me cos he is meant to be childish so I am kind of confused rip

[@alkrolyd]

This entire episode was the equivalent of those "deep" videos on Facebook. It's literally just "phones bad bro"

[@frankieeefinn8798]

Brant Hall why have you got to be a dick about it? Just let everyone have there opinions man

[@alkrolyd]

@Brant Hall bruh it was a joke calm the fuck down. Besides, the point of "phones bad bro" is that WE UNDERSTAND THE MESSAGE. We understand it because we've seen it TOO MUCH and we're tired of the same plot threads being used in such a heavy handed way. It's an obvious jab at these faceless corporations and it's not clever.

[@alkrolyd]

@Brant Hall wow you actually responded to someone

[@alkrolyd]

@Brant Hall Says the person who stopped responding lol You're the honestly the most arrogant little shit I have ever seen on the internet lol You just never think you're wrong; you genuinely believe you're infallible and you find it insulting when other people disagree with you because you can't comprehend that everyone has their own opinion and they are entitled to it. When someone justifies their opinion, saying why they disagree with you, you just resort to ad hominem and gatekeeping because you're a sanctimonious asshole who has little to no justification for his opinions, you just assume that because it is your opinion, it MUST be correct.

[@shmuggle2121]

My problem is that during the holographic master talk he's got so much emotion then it flicks to the doctor and she's got a rather gormless look on her face. Jodie can do fun, excitable and childish but shocked or horrified doesn't come off well. Why is the Master's acting better than the doctors in that scene?

[@ryanratchford2530]

I really like the use of high sci-fi time travel & time lord stuff in this episode. Different worlds/locations/creatures & the time lords are the best part of the show. I also irrationally love whenever time lord psychic magic happens like mind erasing, it’s so goofy & should be used more 😂 (like Girl in fire place, Doctor Donna, this episode)

[@lewimillionzYT]

Am I the only person that prefers the blue tardis interior design to the orange one?

[@Dominate955]

no

[@daniellepeterson1666]

you are not alone my friend

[@kaizoisevil]

xd lonely hobbit yes. I presume you’re taking about the interior from when the Ponds left, lasting through Capaldi’s run.

[@hagridmary]

This is definitely my least favourite TARDIS team we've had (and that's saying a lot considering we've had Clara), there's too many of them and they have zero chemistry.

[@Dominate955]

I agree with you, but I actually liked Clara

[@golden_starlight_]

@@Dominate955 i think that the real problem isn't the fact that there's three of them, but that they were all introduced together. if they had introduced them gradually maybe they could've had a more personal characterization

[@sfbdgaming9881]

12 and clara were the best don't @ me

[@ReddwarfIV]

@@golden_starlight_ Exactly. Remember Girl In The Fireplace? You had Rose and Mickey, and Jeanne was a companion for the episode too (would have been a full one but died before she could). If that counts as three companions, then you have three companions who are all well developed and interesting characters.

[@ReddwarfIV]

@@golden_starlight_ or the episodes with Amy, Rory and River Song

[@raxsavvage]

easiest way to know your phone listens? talk about music videos, check youtube, notice that music video is now suggested this happens when im at my friends place and come home. even when i dont bring my phone too.

[@disgruntledwelsh3817]

The thing I took from these episodes was that Ghengis Khan had a weak army.

[@lukewalker5717]

Lol that actually made me laugh

[@nightowl8477]

4:22 the Master doesn't know they're down there, he's just eliminating the possibility by shooting it up. Obviously he did a bad job tho.

[@gimzod76]

A very bad job given time Lords can regenerate

[@TheAlps36]

Or he's just ripping off Inglorious Bastards

[@nightowl8477]

11:23 I love how Harry still manages to find a use of that stock photo even tho the show looks amazing now. Budget man is a classic character, what can I say?

[@Diamond_Squid]

Welcome to Doctor Who!! Where every new show runner exterminates all the law and context the previous one brought in! You find the time war interesting, let’s delete it! You find cybermen being a metal suite with a human brain in, let’s make it all machine!! Doctor who, where nothing happens in the right order or make any sense! Best show tho

[@kiraavery6514]

The Master is my favourite thing about all this as I really enjoy the childishness and anger, other than the fact he shouldn't be here, or at least should have an explanation because Missy died beyond Regeneration

[@90sArchive]

The Master has died and come back without explanation before.

[@RedAsti]

I think Sacha Dhawan's master is supposed to be after John Simms', since Missy does die and we don't see her regenerate.

[@kiraavery6514]

@@RedAsti I suppose that'd actually make a good amount of sense

[@captainzanearr7246]

I mean he could be a master from the original in disguise

[@qorso]

@@kiraavery6514 just wish they explained it tho

[@onyxowl70]

Harry's in for a *_treat_* in episode 3 (Orphan 55). *_" H o w d a r e y o u " Save the turtles sksksksksksk_*

[@danimations1440]

Same as I said about Jodie last season, the master has a good actor here, but he was let down by the writing which is really sad

[@dragonspear570]

Coming from tonight’s episode; Orphan 55, Doctor Who is fucked.

[@onyxowl70]

ikr lol

[@nanomachinesson5951]

genuinely one of the worst episodes of the whole new series imo.. not quite as shite as fear her, but its getting close

[@TommyLednorMusic]

Uno what I love about the scene with the “three first female something’s?” Ada says “that soldiers voice - he was in the Adelaide gallery…” THE MASTER DOES NOT SPEAK IN THAT SCENE!!! 😂😂😂

[@williamorton3068]

if you thought the message about technology was too "on the nose" in this one. Wait until you watch ep. 3

[@nightowl8477]

8:52 if everyone laughed at him, that would have been bloody brilliant. It would have acknowledged the stupidity of the plan, whilst simultaneously adding to his bitter child complex.

[@minecraftvlogmv7203]

nightowl a few of them laughed a bit

[@Ginger_FoxxVT]

It'll be a genuine miracle if the show can make it to another season...

[@raresmacovei8382]

On one hand, it's been refreshed up until Season 15. But with the ratings they'll have ...

[@QuokkaCore]

Welp.

[@desperatemohammedantheworl5833]

You'll find the Eiffel Tower has lifts, even back in 194x.

[@Marcus280898]

Desperate Mohammedan the World's Strongest Arab The French disabled the lifts before the Germans captured Paris in 1940, they weren’t repaired until 1946.

[@desperatemohammedantheworl5833]

@@Marcus280898 Surprised the Nazis never fixed them.

[@Marcus280898]

Desperate Mohammedan the World's Strongest Arab I guess they never got round to it, during the occupation only Germans were allowed to climb the tower anyway, so unless the Doctor used the psychic paper she couldn’t have got up there.

[@STHV_]

This episode annoyed me so much, mainly due to the Paris 1943 scenes, these scenes made no sense at all from a historical point of view and you don't even need any real knowledge to spot problems which is pretty sad considering Doctor Who was originally meant to be both educational and entertaining First Why is Paris half bombed out and on fire? The City was taken without a fight in 1940 to prevent damage to the historic buildings etc and it was not heaily bombed by the Allies for the same reason as well as there was not really a need to Second Why is there an audible small arms firefight going on in the distance? The only ground combat would have been the occasional small skirmish with the French resistance until the Allies land at Normandy (6th June 1944) Third Why are there so many flags on the Eiffel Tower, there was only one (the fist flag was large but blew away in the wind and was replaced by a smaller one) Fourth You are correct about the Wehrmacht soldiers having to run up the entire tower as the lift cables were sabotaged by the French before the Germans arrived, preventing Hitler from going up when he visited, it was only repaired in 1946 Fifth Why are the anti aircraft search lights repeatedly looking at the Tower instead of doing their jobs and looking for aircraft? Sixth Why is there a constant air raid siren? Air raid sirens are activated once to signal the beggining of an air raid and then once again as an all clear Seventh The Master would not need the perception filter, rather counter intuitively the Waffen SS was the most diverse army of the Second World War with units from India to the UK, He could have easily just taken the place of a Free India Legion officer for example, however he would need a different uniform There are probably some others that i forgot because i am trying to forget that these two episodes and the last series ever existed in the first place

[@bobmalone3726]

STHV 2 things, one the reason why he was using a perception filter was to have a higher and more unquestioned position. The other is that not only are the nazis using mp40s not Sturmgewehrs, they’re also holding them wrong.

[@Roadsguy]

Are you just keeping the Harry's Haunted House name forever at this point?

[@Pendleton115]

You can only rename your google account twice per year I believe.

[@billylardner]

You can change your KZbin name more than though, can’t you?

[@NeroLeMorte]

What was his name before this?

[@doctorgilham2030]

Harry's moving castle

[@doctorgilham2030]

I'm a og

[@XxDyneXxFreeEnergyx]

The master told the doctor to get down on her knees and call him master....what is wrong with this picture???

[@doctorgilham2030]

Alot

[@tomimpala]

5:11 I'll admit it's eye-rolling, but unwatchable's a bit bitter.

[@CCrohny]

Cringey and unwatchable, better hope the rest of the season isn't like it otherwise there won't be another season lmao

[@stayforthepeelpronpls4774]

I actually enjoyed this two parter a lot Ik you feel you have to be cynical cause it’s Jodie but this has been a massive improvement from s11

[@WaterCarrier07]

If the master got left in the past he could meet up with the old versions of himself and win

[@drd2121]

Jake Waterfall and causing a universally destructive paradox 😈😈

[@WaterCarrier07]

Dr D he would take the paradox over losing tho! He could meet up with any alien he wanted... even the Liquorice all sort 😉

[@SiDjack]

We wanted Moffat gone now we want him back and i understand why

[@jaydunsmore050897]

I really liked the scene with the Morse code tapping

[@qorso]

i didnt hate the fact that they sent the master's drum beat back and forth

[@CalumRhysJones]

Your reviews are fucking MENTAL and I kinda love it. I thought this episode was incredible, perhaps not enough action but a good character-driven piece. But a 3/10?!! I can’t even be mad because every single one of your reviews is like this and it’s iconic 😭😭

[@kbg12ila]

Oh god. You don't know what's coming for you with Orphan 55.

[@rat-of-pain]

3:37 glad i wasn't the only one who was reminded of that scene here

[@Jlikelego2]

The episodes definitely have their flaws but I think it’s a lot better than the last season

[@MoneyGist]

That's what I thought... till I saw episode 3

[@danimations1440]

Of course it’s airing the moment I have to leave the house

[@pmertonfan]

Awesome fucking review. Agree with everything. Anyone who thought, like me, that Chibnall might've learnt from last series and corrected the mistakes - underpowered villains that are easily beaten, cringe comedy/dialogue, an awkwardly uncaring Protagonist, abundance of characters with fuck all to do, and IMMENSELY underwritten plots that require massive dialogue dumps to explain - forgot that, at 50 years old, this is how Chibnall will do things forever.. We poor fools.

[@pianoif]

Let’s be real. At least doctor who is laughably bad again. It’s a step up. Also I loved the end part of this episode.

[@jamesfennell4224]

I don't think it sucked, especially compared to most of the last series. I do think it felt more like the CBBC show "The Sarah Jane Adventures" rather than a Dr Who episode though

[@lorddrayvon1426]

Just realised that the WW2 bit is trying to ape Inglorious Bastards, especially the floor shooting bit with Nazis.

[@alivak]

Anyone else watched this review instead watching the actual episode?

[@carealoo744]

Episodes still to review: The Unquiet Dead The Long Game Father's Day Boom-Town Born-Again The Christmas Invasion New Earth Rise Of The Cybermen/Age Of Steel The Idiot's Lanturn The Runaway Bride The Infinite Quest The Lazerus Experiment Time-Crash Voyage Of The Dammed Partners In Crime Fires Of Pompeii Planet Of The Ood The Sontoran Strategm/The Poison Sky The Doctor's Daughter The Unicorn And The Wasp Silence In The Library/Forest Of The Dead Midnight Turn-Left The Stolen Earth/Journey's End The Next Doctor Planet Of The Dead Dreamland The Waters Of Mars The End Of Time (Parts 1 & 2) The Eleventh Hour Meanwhile In The TARDIS (#1) The Beast Below Victory Of The Daleks Time Of Angles/Flesh And Stone Meanwhile In The TARDIS (#2) Vampires In Venice Amy's Choice The Hungry Earth/Cold Blood The-Lodger The Pandorica Opens/The Big Bang Space/Time A Christmas Carol The Impossible Astronaut/Day Of The Moon The Curse Of The Black-Spot The Doctor's Wife The Rebel-Flesh/The Almost-People A Good Man Goes To War Night-Terrors The Girl Who Waited The God-Complex Closing-Time The Wedding Of River-Song The Doctor, The Widow, And The Wardrobe Asylum Of The Daleks Dinosaurs On A Spaceship A Town Called Mercy The Power Of 3 Angles Take Manhattan P.S. The Snowmen The Bells Of Saint John's The Rings Of Akkatan Cold-War Hide Journey To The Center Of The TARDIS The Crimson Horror Nightmare In Silver The Name Of The Doctor An Adventure In Space And Time The Night Of The Doctor The Fiveish Doctors Reboot The Last Day The Day Of The Doctor The Time Of The Doctor Last Christmas If anyone's interested, I'm also reviewing all the Doctor Who stories on my channel, with me having just uploaded my review of: 'The Green Death (1973)!' No pressure, of course, just might be worth checking out! :)

[@Villaboy78]

They missed the obvious laser shoe joke “I’ve got heely good aim” As it stands that show is now indeed an irredeemable hot mess

[@TR1PLE_6]

1:24 - Missed opportunity for a Master of Puppets joke there :P

[@metal_musician4458]

i was just thinking that

[@SJ9001]

"Hopefully [the Timeless Child] won't get forgotten about like it did last year." Oooh, oh dear. It is possible for us to go back to that stage and decide to forget about it after all?

[@user-xp8nq5mf9y]

MASTER!! MASTER!! Just call my name, 'cause I'll hear you scream!!!

[@sonnykingcomposer]

Doctor leaving the master to the nazis Brutal. More dark stuff please.

[@thingstudios2533]

It’s just really evil

[@sonnykingcomposer]

@@thingstudios2533 wouldn't say its totally evil, I mean it's the Master here

[@thingstudios2533]

But the doctor (most of the time) doesn’t kill anyone.

[@sonnykingcomposer]

@@thingstudios2533 yeah she didn't here either lol

[@thingstudios2533]

He could’ve been executed by the nazis

[@DonHbankz]

I MISSED YOU OMG ITS LIKE IM NOT THE ONLY ONE AND THE SJW ON TWITTER AINT THE ENTIRE DW FANBASE

[@Kranitoko]

The letter H. The "H"eartbeat of a timelord

[@Blitzo8390]

I think you’re being a little harsh. I’m a very critical person myself and I thought the two parter was great. You’re just trying to find more negatives than positives, because you can’t forgive Chibnall for last season

[@TooTsaka]

That's an incredibly brash statement that assumes a lot. Maybe Chibnall would be forgiven if the writing is improved. Being force-fed information we can glean ourselves because we're "too dumb" to figure things out ourselves is not good writing. I thought the Missy reveal was lame as it amounted to her saying "Hey, I'm the Master." THIS reveal, however... far, far worse. A sliver of a glimpse to how Chibnall cannot be forgiven.

[@hagridmary]

I think you're just trying to find more positives than negatives. It was a pretty shit story that hasn't done anything for the impression Chibnall's left after Series 11, if anything its made it worse.

[@RefreshedBroccoli]

I dont even watch doctor who anymore i just watch these reviews

[@carealoo744]

Happy New Decade to you, too!

[@libertyadams5961]

1:28 Pantomime? I was thinking more along the lines of Hentai

[@urban_hoplite7593]

She gets on her knees. And calls him master

[@metal_musician4458]

or a Metallica Concert

[@Ginger_FoxxVT]

This entire episode felt like it was only two levels above a boomer tier "Phones r very bad" comic

[@bellabyers2929]

1:23 I knew I wasn’t the only one who thought of that during that scene!!

[@TGM_Productions]

Maybe, if Spyfall was a three-parter, with a better script. It could had been amazing. And, I don’t mean continuing after part 2. I mean just establishing things better. And, giving more immersion to what’s going on.

[@cephery8482]

I think the entirety of the chibnall series could be massively improved by just subbing over it with a better script. Sure some of them are beyond saving but most have great ideas or great imagery but just a terrible habit of talking and talking and talking.

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

Sending the letter H back and forth? Must stand for Harry's Haunted House. Best bit about this episode? Ada Lovelace and Noor Khan. Both were acted well, and I wish the actors can be in something with a better script soon. The Master (and every other Time Lord) has a limited psychic ability. It basically works as a perception filter. The same reason his TARDIS can't be seen. And, just like the first part, stuff is reused from old episode. The electricity comes from the electronic devices in the same way as the Wire in The Idiot's Lantern.

[@DarkLordoftheMeme]

funny thing is, The Master could have posed as an SS officer without using a perception filter - the SS couldn't support itself with its restrictive racial purity requirements for membership, so they conscripted from "lesser" groups, including Bosnians, Arabs and Indians. Also the Nazi's considered high-caste Indians to be "Aryan" based on the pseudo-historical idea that Indo-European languages were spread by a historic "master race" (hence why the pinched the Swastika from India)

[@grandsome1]

That episode basically justifies the même, "Ok, Boomer".

[@eriol_mits3121]

If the Aliens from this episode don't end up eventually being revealed as the cybermen from the alternative universe all along. The shot of multiple earths in part one. The way they resemble the ghost from the Army of Ghost. The silver statue. Even the idea during the episode of technology turning against them.

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

It wasn't multiple Earths, it was Earth in different timezones, but I like the idea a lot.

[@tomimpala]

6:08 I feel like the character you put on for this channel sometimes gets a bit drowned in mopey bitterness sometimes which doesn't even add creative commentary. Like, I get it's this camp, sarcastic character, but it's just joyless sometimes in your videos.

[@nightowl8477]

Being cynical can be fun but there is a line, yeah. 9/10 times Harry understands that, so I can forgive his slight exaggerations.

[@potatomo9609]

Just one more year to go, then we'll get a new Doctor.

[@spanner5686]

I don’t think they were killing people I think the episode made it pretty obvious the people were being formatted so the white glowy dudes I can’t be bothered to name would store their info in the people

[@nanomachinesson5951]

anyone else waiting to see that last absolute dumpster fire getting picked apart?

[@Ubermensch9240]

I learned something today! James Bond was on Doctor Who! :D

[@mathieuleader8601]

I remember that clip of Chibnall complaining to the showrunners at the time Pip and Jane Baker calling the series too campy and silly and then as an adult then outdoes by spades

[@ftumschk]

Pip and Jane Baker were just scriptwriters, who up until then had only written two-and-a-half stories, and would write only one more. The showrunner was John Nathan Turner who wasn't in the studio to face the audience, but took part in the debate via telephone.

[@mrknowhere6457]

That thumbnail was my same reaction to the underwhelming master reveal

[@thewandererslibrary9928]

I really wish we could get some did it suck ? on classic who

[@truffle166]

Tbh i thaught these episodes were lazy and uninspired they ripped elements from previous modern who storys take vor guys speech (i cant be asked to learn his name) but its clearly a rip of the “this country is sick speech” harry saxton did. Also when the “twist” of last episode came to be the “master” did a turn very reminiscent of matt smith... the best way to enjoy this snow under the rain of chris chipnips is to try and find every time he ripps off something or laughing at the script Also Super cool seeing my name at the end screen cuz im a patron now :D

[@Ubermensch9240]

4:27 Wow. Chib reaaaally doesn't have a single idea in his head. He's ripping off Inglorious Bastards!

[@someguy4405]

Fun fact, the lift of the Eiffel Tower was disabled during the German occupation of France so neither of them should have been able to get up there.

[@irrevenant3]

4:37 Agreed. It was a great idea having Noor Khan and Ada Lovelace in the same episode supporting the Doctor. But then they basically did *nothing* with either of them! >_< They should've contributed to the episode so they were relevant to the story.

[@Multiversal_Productions]

in defence of the "iv had an upgrade" line (even though i dont really like it myself) "timelady please , some of us can afford the upgrade" - Missy someone who no one had a fucking problem with calling her male to female regeneration an "upgrade"

[@lesigh1749]

People had a problem with it then. Missy was well acted and gained a lot of audience leeway though, but that sort of line was always misandry.

[@levanafay]

In defence of Missy saying that line; she's the Master. :) It was clearly both a dig at the Doctor and the characters' superiority complex at work. John Simm's Master was so over the top sexist that it was amazing the writers got away with it. His natural charisma and the amorality of the Master allows the character to say and do things that are unnacceptable for a 'good' or 'moral' character. A character such as the Doctor, whom we need to identify with. She was also speaking to a Dalek (another villian) which happens to be genderless, so the remark passes by without causing much offence. Personally, I think Jodie's serious delivery and sharp movement into Stephen Fry's personal space is what makes people consider the comment an insult rather than a simple call back. :)

[@lesigh1749]

@@levanafay There's also a lot of context involved from the general tone of the show in recent years being very much leaning towards casual misandry on screen, and Whittaker's of screen comments about believing the show had only served "the white male gaze" before she came along, and being determined to fix that. Her flippant feminism is pretty obnoxious, and really is just another type of sexism. its really not okay, no matter who is doing it. We should be able to laugh at remarks like this in a TV show, but the politics the cast and producer have heaped into the show make it pretty clear its not a joke, its a dig at men....again.

[@levanafay]

​@@lesigh1749 I agree, we should be able to laugh at remarks like that. The sheer history of sexism towards women that the show has displayed over its run is not a tally that the show now needs to equalise. It's period typical (even the sexism in the revival, unfortunately) and needs to be left in the past. Deliberately including sexism towards women just so they can respond with sexism towards men doesn't balance the scale, it just makes for an offensive show. This does seem to be where it is going, however. Visiting situations and time periods where the Doctor is guaranteed to be the victim of this kind of behaviour just so they can preach to the audience is a very toxic attitude to have. Feminism is about equality, not making women the most important gender. This show is not feminist.

[@lesigh1749]

@@levanafay I'm not even sure what you are arguing now. You think it needs to be sexist to sooth the feelings of people who feel it was sexist against women in the past? I've seen every surviving episode and would love for you to point out the "sheer history" of sexism against women in the show. unless you think merely having had the main character always being a man is an act of Misogyny.

[@joeespin4377]

3/10 boy are you being generous i'd have given it a .Oh 5/10

[@alden5931]

Joe Espin .oh 5?

[@joeespin4377]

@@alden5931 .05 but since the master's name for most of the first episode was Oh it was .Oh 5

[@samturner9804]

I still thought these episodes were better than pretty much all of Jodie's first series, Especially that GOD AWFUL resolution episode from last year.

[@jakelownds8878]

Spyfall Pt 2 suffers from Are-You-Famous-Skateboarder-Tony-Hawk? Syndrome

[@TooTsaka]

People really need to chill with their outcry over someone not enjoying what they enjoyed. Yes, you think he's wrong and that's fine. Yes, you can argue that he's wrong and that's fine. What you have to realise is the manner in which you create your argument. Crying out what is essentially "YOU'RE WRONG BECAUSE I SAY YOU'RE WRONG" contributes nothing to any form of a discussion. Actually respect the one creating a cohesive argument and create a cohesive argument of your own as opposed to "YOU'RE WRONG, SO NYEHH!" Really is as simple as that.

[@TooTsaka]

​@Cyrus Wolfe they're such insufferable people. I get that critiquing is a touchy thing to get into and there will always be someone who is offended by it, which is fine in itself. What isn't fine is lashing out and spewing vitriol towards others with differing opinions. I say this, but I decided to engage with someone who lashed out at Harry and eventually lashed out at them, so in that regard, I'm a hypocrite anyway. I simply mention a KZbinr and instantly receive "He's a nonce and a bigot", and I ask why they have that view and I receive nothing. In the end, may as well slap them around the head and give them back the attitude they're giving. It's true insanity. Merely request people to make points of their own as opposed to spewing "YOU'RE WRONG" and you get what eventually totals an essay when they could have spent far less time just actually discussing their views. Most I got was "3/10 is unfair and I wouldn't rate any episode less than 5/10." "Okay... why?" "Fuck you. That's why." Big mouths, vile attitude and very little to say. Unbelievable, to say the least. At least it's not a case of someone getting offended over me saying, "I personally don't like this song, but what is it that makes you like it?" Some truly odd people about who seem to enjoy making "getting offended" into a hobby.

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

Wow. Some sensible people. It's very good to see you, I've just waded out of a comments section full of people going "Oh, it's not good because women and racial minorities are in it."

[@TooTsaka]

@@TheSmart-CasualGamer you completely missed my point of people's outcry over Harry's views. Well done.

[@Guywiththetypewriter]

"Hopefully it won't get forgotten about like it did last year" Oh Harry, your heart is about to break when we get to the big reveal of what the timeless child is in the finale :'( Like as a seriousness note, knowing what I do, and adding to the set up this episode gives for it, I would not be surprised if Doctor Who gets sent into another 20 year Hiatus after this series is done...

[@CRITICALTODDSTER]

If the timeless child is what I think it is then it completely ruins Matt smith being the last regeneration.... Am i right in thinking that?

[@CJDrewlan]

I didn’t think these episodes where half bad. But fuckin’ell I have questions

[@Diamond_Squid]

It’s another Master story - the Master builds/raises and army in disguise - then he traps/“kills” the Doctor - and then the doctor escapes and uses the greatest weapon of all of Doctor who.....PLOT DEVICE - and resets everything the Master did. This episode is really just giving the fans the timeless child plot whole and marking the 50th anniversary special worthless. But it is truly the best of Jodie - the Final scenes with gallifrey and the close up, truly magnificent. It was worth it for all of that. I wanna know what sort of army the master had to destroy gallifrey - gallifrey looks more destroyed here than the final days of the time war.

[@thomasomelie]

Tbh I kinda like that the 13nth doctor doesn’t get too close to her companions, and dismisses them and their questions all the time. It adds to the feeling that she’s still feeling alone even with three other people around, and I honestly think it suits her character, especially if the story will continue to explore more dramatic stuff about her and Gallifrey This episode was worse than the first one but still not that bad, imo, id give it a 5 and the first one a 6 out of 10, but it’s mostly because I like the changes it brings I really hope Jodie gets some good moments in this season, and her companions somehow get separated with her and never come back

[@tomofthetomb]

This season needs a couple of solo Jodie episodes

[@TheodoreMauros]

Mate is there any piece of fiction you actually enjoy?

[@charmedrools1]

i got a friend who was screaming about how great these episodes were but i was waiting for your opinion before wasting my time, frankly i wish i had done that before i wasted several hours watching the last season...

[@carealoo744]

Did your friend also think Series 11 was good? Obviously, my fiery can't apply to everyone, but I'm fairly certain the majority of people who claim to enjoy Series 11, call me saying that because they feel they have to like it, because it's the first female doctor. And when you amplify your feelings of Series 11 from painfully mediocre to really good, just imagine how amplify your feelings must be for the first few episodes of Series 12. Of course you think they're the best episodes ever.

[@charmedrools1]

@@carealoo744 y'know i'm not sure how shhe felt about last season tbh. i've been assuming this whole time she hated it but i honestly never asked her

[@carealoo744]

@@charmedrools1 I wouldn't be surprised if she says it was pretty good. It's probably too late to know what she would have responded with before, now that Series 12 has begun, but who knows?

[@chris3091]

Best Jodie episode by far, I found even your basic criticisms were easily explained away by watching the actual episode. You complain about the drumming in morse code? The Doctor literally says its because that's the heartbeat of a time lord, so it's sure to get his attention. The Master learning about perception filters in school is clearly a nod to how Gallifrey and its history is going to play a big role in this arc, with the Master saying "everything you know is a lie". I would give it a 7/10 at worst.

[@angrytardis6776]

I gave this 2 parter a 8/10 it’s soooo much better than series 11.

[@THIZZAVELI]

The thing that pisses me off the most. Is the fact that they put more money and promo into the show than previous seasons(actual doctor who). Can you imagine how much more epic the impossible/the satan pit, blink, day of the doctor, silence in the library, bad wolf, the pandorica opens, etc etc could have been? SMH, I just noticed the "timeless child" looked like a little Indian girl. My god, I bet yaz is the timeless child. Chibs probably did this, SMH.

[@gimzod76]

Just pointing out one thing the nazi's did actually try to recruit ss unit of captured India pow. Didn't go well and most ended up being shipped back to the pow camps Though none would have been given command of regular German army/ss troops

[@peabodyrabbit6751]

Apart from all of the other obvious issues, the one I'm stuck on is the Master reboot. The last time we saw the master (missy specifically), her arc had a huge shift in the dynamic between her and the doctor. Now this master all of the sudden is back to cracy wacko John Simm-esque. Are they going to address this? I hope so. Do I think they will? Not at all.

[@andrewsmart4491]

It would've been good if the Doctor and the companions were all transported back in time to Paris during the second world war. You could have had an amusing exchange then between Yaz and Noor Khan such as: YAZ: You're a British Spy? How come I haven't heard of you ? NOOR: Maybe, because I'm a Spy, we're trained to be discreet. It would be a nice subversion of the new agenda that female historical characters are somehow being buried in history. It could also add an element to Yaz's character with a belief that she has to prove herself and that she may be little more than a diversity hire. An issue police hiring was once accused of, but in a subtle way rather than flagpoling.

[@timrob12]

0:53 - I thought that guy was John Leeson, just like I thought the guy talking about grenades was Dan Starkey. It would've been a cool way to put some cameos in a scene like that. No big roles, but a sweet shoutout to the show's past. Missed opportunity, I say. Also felt slightly annoyed by 1:25 because of the "man overpowering woman'' tone that it had and felt that was going to get a bad reaction by the so called feminists. Suprisingly, I haven't read anyone commenting on it.

[@vitluk]

Tbh, I'm a bit confused why u didn't address masters sudden revival in all meanings, since Missy was killed by previous version of master

[@deltadom33]

Ada Lovelace and Babbage were computer experts but Nora khan does not have any link to computing at all en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noor_Inayat_Khan?wprov=sfla1