Harvard PhD Dr Javad Hashmi Confronts Destiny On Israel

[@destiny]

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[@melm295]

He says it is born in sin bc Jews are disobeying sharia law by governing over land that was once conquered as Islamic. Land rules in Islam posit that Muslims are superior humans who are owed all land on earth; colony is codefor land that is “occupied” by non Muslim government Once land is conquered by Muslims, it is deemed Islamic indefinitely. It is deemed a personal insult to reject the divine order where Muslims get to rule over Jews and Christians as 3rd class citizens (after all Atheists & other polytheists l are slaughtered) All this language is Muslim brotherhood code mixed w Cold War ussr propaganda

[@popyourbowl3299]

Sahih Muslim 1767 a It has been narrated by 'Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) say: I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.

[@shaheerislam1059]

you lost this one dog

[@danielc9967]

I could feel Destiny's respect for the guy, fall slowly lol . This guy is a classic tool

[@joseroshe1059]

The zoning policy isn't discriminatory towards arabs. A secular town board can reject haredim.

[@ScontoGG]

Javad: Here’s 10 quotes Destiny: What are the context of the quotes? Javad: Here’s 10 more quotes

[@MrOmabeast]

Lets call this the Finklestein method

[@Keviamaya]

That's all he did for like 3 hours. My guy is quoting machine, is this the Harvard method?

[@roland8980]

@@olo_smooth_olo5606 he... does.. read books??? Are you somehow confusing destiny with trump lol

[@brendanrussell4365]

@@olo_smooth_olo5606 confidently wrong comments are my favorite genre of comments

[@Keviamaya]

@@olo_smooth_olo5606 He reads real books, you can even see him quoting them here. The issue is the Harvard PhD guy just keeps spewing quotes, is that convincing to you? Or do you go by his PhD to tell you he is right?

[@skyefox]

Doctor who tries to call others racist and perpetuators of harmful stereotypes spends 3 hours calling jews sneaky and underhanded.

[@hata6290]

based

[@Perfectcrime87]

He starts saying jew- and he "corrects" himself and says zionists

[@PANKER_NADAV]

@@Perfectcrime87 2:22:18 man I thought it’s just me hearing that

[@RonMi95]

"Shifty" one might call them ^^

[@wtrbns]

Of course, calling a racist the n word for example still makes you a racist

[@Killwanyegames]

The one thing i learned from Javad is that no single arab has ever attacked a Jew

[@PASH3227]

Oh yeah bro! A coalition of Arab nations invading Israel? Never ever happened!

[@ponderingspirit]

The Palestinian people are mostly levantine.

[@unkownentity]

And you are mostly wrong.. we are Arabs. ​@@ponderingspirit

[@Thindorama]

@@ponderingspirit They speak Arabic. Arab is not a purely geographical term. Were the Romans in the Roman province of Britain not Romans because they didn't live in the city of Rome?

[@kamalabdulkhaaliq4198]

Then you simply heard what you wanted to hear because he never said that but I don’t blame you when some one like Javad brings facts unlike Destiny bringing generalizations and distractions it’s much more enjoyable to believe destiny’s simple view of this conflict the hard realities we can conveniently deny behind our phones 🤷‍♂️

[@JamesN16]

What is happening at Harvard? Taking cheap shots like “I know you don’t like books” and “I know that you love genocide” makes Javad look desperate. Stop straw manning and make an argument.

[@KamilDeKerel]

he can only quote out of context quotes and then act suprised when destiny asks him from what time it was, bro doesnt understand that quotes need context to proof anything substantial

[@HotOutDaBox]

Always some disingenuous copium happening. 1. You're spouting a quote and can't give me a source (wins by default on this accord) 2. You're quoting talking points from pro-Palestinians (wins by default on this accord) 3. You're quoting far too many pro-Israeli historians with far too many direct sources (wins by default on this accord) 4. You've read far too many books from beginning to end, including many books written by my go-to authors on the topic (wins by default on this accord) 5. I am more knowledgeble than all the historians and academics, that have ever existed, combined (wins by default on this accord) Yup! This is all wildly laughable at this point.

[@HungoverHiicon]

hey why are you "quote mining" I thought we didn't do that unless we gave the full context 😂 Why don't you you mention the inflammatory things destiny said that made him respond like that.

[@ripem1417]

I’ve never seen a good faith, genuine argument from the pali side. Not a single one. It always devolves into some Chunk-tier “you’re a baby k!ll3r!!!1!!!1!” argument.

[@2vexy]

And Destiny doesn't look desperate when he started the insults by questioning the professor's educational background?

[@PostWin]

I hope this inspires people to get a PhD because if this guy can get one, anyone can.

[@Stratiotis_tou_Christou]

💀

[@lmaolol9357]

Ouch

[@cowmath77]

Google his name and take a look at his profile pic. Tells you all you need to know.

[@MrBendoverr]

destiny got complete rag-dolled and exposed for intellectual dishonesty, but you watched it with rose-tinted glasses i bet and your boy destiny 'won' LOL

[@Amick2003]

@@MrBendoverr The hardest pill for Palestine supporters to swallow: Reality.

[@cleancut3301]

“ChatGPT, generate 3 hours of pro Palestine propaganda in the style of Norman Finkelstein.“

[@ammar3094]

The style of the educated, too bad you lot find that a foreign concept, yall like big words and fancy debate tactics and fast talking because that makes you think wow so smart

[@cleancut3301]

@@ammar3094 bruh did you even watch the video you’re commenting on?

[@jamiegaff6150]

@@ammar3094 The guy is educated on islamic conflict and values related to the quran, maybe see why he has so much bias towards a certain side and believes all those anti semitic conspiracies?

[@ammar3094]

@@jamiegaff6150 and the westerners whos 2nd biggest lobby of their country is the israeli one and every politician and president of that country has to bend a knee for a foreign country and get that aipac seal of approval and who’s media companies are ran by the same people and brainwashing the population for decades against their enemies, yeah those people have no bias. You have presidential candidates going at each other saying no im better for israel, no i am, and ur going to talk about bias. Its funny when westerners think they’re not biased. Israel owns you literally, bribed all your politicians making ur laws and yall too busy hating islam like the israelis brainwashed you too, while they’re taking control of ur country, its not islam that uses america as its lap dog for wars and siphons its cash, in fact, muslim countries help quite a bit.

[@bowlofcinder482]

Mmm arabic last name... ​@ammar3094

[@Raptor810Blue]

I think my chances of getting into Harvard are sky high now

[@robertcampomizzi7988]

No $#!t! My dad was a research scientist and he made it seem a lot harder then what these guys are putting forth 😂 I might apply too

[@Skibbityboo0580]

We at Harvard accept this application for enrollment. Congratz.

[@allrequiredfields]

Lol, if you're not white.

[@warrioremperor6320]

Bro you are way dumber than Destiny just because you watch someone doesn’t make you as smart as them

[@CHIEF-T]

If you're white or Asian don't expect to get in too ez

[@professorrubickmagusgrandi7909]

One day Steven is gonna run out of vyvanse, wake up, not remember any of this stuff and go back to playing Factorio for 14 hours.

[@KamilDeKerel]

we all have dreams dont we

[@Grimpen0]

Has he heard of this game called "Minecraft"?

[@tulersmeesh4077]

@@Grimpen0 Minecraft arc was great

[@boofhead711]

Cope

[@IamusTheFox]

Hoping he gets off his meds is like hoping a person loses their cane for your amusement

[@princetopher]

Scholar: I dont like genocide defenders. **proceeds to cite Noam Chomsky**

[@GisuHoward]

Are you suggesting Noam Chomsky is a genocide defender? When has he defended genocide? Can you point me to some sources?

[@princetopher]

@@GisuHoward uhh his denial of the Khmer Rouge killing fields?

[@GisuHoward]

@@princetopher I have 0 clue about this. Why would Chomsky deny this?

[@GisuHoward]

@@princetopher "In summary, Noam Chomsky did not deny the Cambodian genocide by the Khmer Rouge, but his early skepticism and criticisms of Western media coverage led to accusations that he was downplaying or denying the events. He later acknowledged the genocide and the scale of the atrocities committed by the Khmer Rouge." From ChatGPT. Does not sound like he's denying this genocide.

[@princetopher]

@@GisuHoward he constantly denied it until he kept getting confronted by Cambodian survivors at his talks.

[@shvnj]

Destiny vs. A quote from page 31

[@carlplz00001]

Yet, Destiny lost and got his ass kicked.

[@KingstonHawke]

Quotes are how you prove that your point is representative of what was actually said. How is providing receipts a bad thing?

[@Gizzardx0]

@@carlplz00001 Did you watch the debate?

[@Soyarin]

@@KingstonHawke That's fine but you need to provide context. Javad machine guns quotes, provides no context or timeline and moves on. If John says he will kill Will and shit in his mouth you'd probably say that's unhinged. With the added context that Will raped Johns daughter that changes everything.

[@shaheerislam1059]

genuinely what even was destiny's argument or source? it's more like, *destiny doing nothing* vs a quote from page 31. sorry it's not wiki

[@ratio9595]

I think it’s funny that he purposely chooses to not use the Muslim empires to define colonialism or imperialism.

[@TheJoethud22]

@@amaruandujar because he chose to skert around it

[@Channel-23s]

The irony of him unintentionally or intentionally being a hypocrite by leaving it out and it happening for hundreds of years is just conveniently ignored is truly funny I agree (Spain is one such example of it or North Africa)

[@robertcampomizzi7988]

Funny/convenient/slimy same same 😂

[@melm295]

Bc colony is code for land that is “occupied” by non Muslim rule.

[@Yamsayyn]

Yeah same I’m over here laughing my ass off such a good ass joke bruv

[@Gt07mk]

20 minutes in and this dude is arguing that Theodore Hertzel is an anti-Semite? How is it possible not to read between the lines that he wanted to use European antisemitism to garner support for an Israeli homeland? This is what passes for a PhD these days, let alone a Harvard one?

[@leonnozik]

he is an Indian (hindu) who was convered to Islam and now he is a pakistani Muslim..basically he has been colonized by Islam....he is proof himself that Islam is the real colonizing force....the Islamists areobssessed with the Jews as their Koran Instructs. funny..they trying to push the Jews out of universities so people like him get a phd in quotting .

[@MichealPacitto]

Not a phd, a phd of marxist studies

[@Daniebraids]

This is just how ridiculous the pro Palestine people are, their hatred for Israel takes all sense of logical thinking away. They are like cultists and will blame Israel for everything and Palestinians for nothing.

[@stuffguy6664]

*Herzl

[@shvnj]

This is the worst case of quote chimping I’ve ever came across.

[@KamilDeKerel]

I start wonder if he got a phd just quoting out of context things to make a point

[@BlueDirt_ProAggressive]

Worse than Finkle quoting himself from his own books?

[@axaeyexus]

​@@BlueDirt_ProAggressive exactly my thoughts

[@michomochiii]

Bro is conducting this like it’s a bible study 😭

[@shaheerislam1059]

I've seen you destiny shills say that but you haven't really proved anything he said was wrong. Quote chimping by itself isn't wrong unless used deceptively. Do you really think Destiny managed to proved that this guy was doing anything deceptive?

[@Mattropolis97]

My favorite thing about this was Destiny not only already knowing every quote this guy brought up, but understanding the context it was said in better than him

[@travisolfert6437]

@@bahram6133 Calm down Egon.

[@BlackBeltMonkeySong]

It's a dirty trick that academics pull to start referencing detailed bits of work that only a handful of people will know. Most academics are wise to the ploy, and so it doesn't go too far in academic circles. The hilarious thing is that PhD picked the quotes, picked the battle ground, and Destiny STILL knew he was taking stuff out of context, or skipping around space and time.

[@KingstonHawke]

@@Mattropolis97 this never happened 😂

[@TheKakan1337]

@@KingstonHawke well you were born after all. So it did happened even tho it was a mistake.

[@matiasmartinez8809]

I know the guy from Harvard did a lot of quoting, but he did a great job. Seriously there is a quote from his dad that proves that, he said: "My son did great... Oh, and Destiny is a girl's name" (agoust 21 2024).

[@travisolfert6437]

Yeah well I got a quote from my dad saying "I would beat up his dad if we threw fisticuffs". checkmate.

[@r3211-q6x]

Destiny fans allergic to quotes 😂😂😂😂😂😂. Bro just admit ur cucklord lost this one. Zero quotes were misquoted or cherry-picked and if you think otherwise comment down below 👇🏻

[@lesterdiamonds27]

Cute…..free Palestine!

[@Sar-gd7yi]

From fundamentalist islamists​@@lesterdiamonds27

[@TheKakan1337]

@@lesterdiamonds27 .... from terrorist. Femboy sit down.

[@kt_hht]

he is a PhD on religion, not history. it is like someone having PhD in philosophy trying to debate theoretical physics yet called themselves a PhD.

[@likegaston]

What degree does destiny have??

[@DoggyP00]

@@likegaston Destiny has facts and sources to those facts

[@likegaston]

​@@DoggyP00 so no degree. So this is how destiny Stans argue

[@melikmourali2072]

I don't even know what a PhD on religion means. Does it mean he's like the ultimate priest/rabbi/imam ?

[@Carvaka]

⁠@@likegastonthis guy sounds like he needs to stretch his degree to other fields as a crutch for his ignorance. It is doing him more harm than good in this case 😂

[@evanjmiller72]

Bro the moderator was failing. Destiny COULD NOT get his points out. Homeboy would not stop speaking.

[@bahram6133]

Moderator was useless, but Destiny losing his shit and falling flat on his face was all Steve himself. Dude got owned.

[@travisolfert6437]

@@bahram6133 DeStinY lOst HerE!!!! bro, your cope is in every comment.

[@lupen_rein]

In his own tweets after the debate, Hashmi said that this was exactly his strategy and it worked. Hashmi probably spent weeks preparing for this debate by trying to get under Destiny's skin in exactly the right situations to make it look like Destiny was wrong instead of that Hashmi's tactic worked on a personal level.

[@user-gu1un7pb7k]

The moderator is literally the owner of a debate channel and he couldn't even moderate the debate properly. Like he has one job....

[@travisolfert6437]

@@user-gu1un7pb7k He's always been like that, what'd you expect lol.

[@buttereggproductions9996]

What is the point the MDD hosting debates with ZERO moderation. Can we please normalize third party individuals telling people to STFU

[@JRuni0r]

Yeah, I'm fed up with the IG/TikTok repost and react channel style of 'Moderator'. Just a face in the corner doing and saying nothing... I waa waiting for him to start pointing at the other screens and nodding his head.

[@smolderingtitan]

There's no point in hosting debates without moderating them.

[@synlynx869]

Yeah destiny needed to be told that a couple times ngl

[@Alucitary]

Bro got a whole PowerPoint presentation as an opening statement and still interrupted his opponent every 5 words right after.

[@speakertrees]

@@Alucitary nope

[@Greiwulfe]

​@@speakertreesyep

[@NinjaOnANinja]

No. He didn’t. You brown tonguer.

[@howdareyou41]

Love how it was just the meme. Soooo disappointed when I saw it. Another moron PHD historian who thinks the Middle East started in 1948

[@exposedhobo]

I think this guy literally talked for a lecture quoting every single human on the subject and then when destiny says something he says. Can you just let me speak? I absolutely broke out laughing

[@semo9197]

>me be >see title >oh wow harvard phd this will be an interesting debate >first frame is the braindead isreal map meme >mfw

[@venom-gt7rc]

even funnier when he doesn't know the percentage of land that Palestinians owned prior to 1947

[@BlackReaperGames]

Hes a religious phd lmfao what a waste

[@KamilDeKerel]

@@BlackReaperGames I swea anyone can become a religious phd, its literally the study of fairytales

[@m4sin]

@@KamilDeKerel Based.

[@DenzeNeverLied]

Pepehands I just want a gooder back and forth man I hate it here

[@Joe45-91]

I can't speak to any of the Israel/Palestine historical points, but when this religious PhD made the comparison between early 20th century Palestinians and 16th century native American tribes I lost it 🤣🤣

[@uhhhfrick9767]

And I mean yeah its not crazy to call Palestinians indigenous to the region in the slightest, but you almost defacto have to accept that Jews are also an indigenous ethnic group to the region for the same reasons palestinians are. And then the whole indigeneity loses all of its moral weight because its one indigenous group versus… another indigenous group.

[@juliaberkman3238]

@@uhhhfrick9767I’m a Zionist but I agree they’re both indigenous and should be treated as such

[@KingstonHawke]

@@uhhhfrick9767 you can’t call a group that mass migrates somewhere they haven’t been for a century indigenous, that’s ridiculous.

[@SleepyGaming-ie9fb]

​@@uhhhfrick9767it's England vs France all over again.

[@falconeshield]

So the people who didn't have roots unless they came from the South Syria side are suddenly indigenous because they've been there for awhile for our perspective? Well with that logic the world did start at 641 AC/CE @@juliaberkman3238

[@olknoxlo]

If Benny Morris were in the room this dude would have no arguments. Benny would just be like "Nah didn't say it like that."

[@exposedhobo]

Seeing that all this guy has is a completely out of context" that once you read makes complete sense from Benny Morris from years back is really telling and the fact that he researched every single destiny debate for every little thing destiny ever misspoke of when the guy's a streamer 24/7 Is absolutely insane

[@WhopperCheeseDota]

I wish that was true but unfortunately Finkelstein does exactly this and doesn't care about Morris's response lol

[@KamilDeKerel]

@@WhopperCheeseDota we all know how dishonest and bad faith finklestein is so who care right

[@searchrat]

tbf that's literally what Benny Morris said to Finkledinkle in the debate, and he still got misquoted. I'm sure that's what this clown will do too lmao

[@danielclaridge2372]

I think this sums up the Palestinian side, obfuscate, take out of context quotes. Destiny even went and bought a book mid stream to instantly get the full quote and literally found the paragraph and it aligned with destiny’s point. This is how you attack these bad faith actors. Benny morris would literally laugh at this guy. Hes just taken finklesteins debate tactics. They take isreal bad, then find quotes that align with said conclusion without the full context. Disgusteng.

[@DartGoblin-ds4zo]

I'm 30 minutes into this video, is this guy seriously just gonna read quotes for the next 2.5 hours? Edit: He did

[@KanziKanz]

Yes

[@melikmourali2072]

yes

[@SubzeroBlack68]

YES

[@napoleondynamite6993]

lol

[@exposedhobo]

Hahahahahaha

[@andrewthetruth]

Destiny: "Do you agree on this historical context?" Javad: "On July 5th, 2020, you used expired strawberry jelly on a PB&J, and here is a related quote."

[@4x4r974]

To confirm, as a PhD student myself, if you went anywhere and argued based on disconnected quotes (many obviously out of context), you would be laughed out of the room. But this dude is studying Islamic studies or whatever, so obviously has zero training in history. This is the definition of confirmation bias. Having a grand narrative before knowing the evidence, and then adding evidence as you go along to 'boost' your position. Most scholars actually spend more time quizing and challenging their OWN evidence rather than presenting it as if it were prestine ..

[@KamilDeKerel]

yeah Im sure this is how he got his phd, religion is literally quoting things out of context to prove points that dont exist or faded away by history

[@bahram6133]

That’s a nonsensical claim. He is providing evidence for his stated position and refuting destinies claims one by one by providing references, not writing a book or a dissertation on the topic. Not sure how can you miss this. Also please do provide details on what was out of context, as a fellow academic, I am leaning towards “laughing you out of the room” after your “many obviously out of context” claim, for which you have provided no evidence.

[@4x4r974]

@@bahram6133 He is not providing evidence. He is providing cherry picked quotes that he is trying to pass as evidence. Obviously slimy. The context of all private letters between 1880 and 1920 that mention colonialism are in the context of the authors PANDERING to British officials. It does not mean they actually supported colonialism. Much like modern states pander to the west by speaking about "democracy". Benny Morris' public statements from 2004 about needing a 'cage' and what not are obviously in the context of intifada terrorism. They make sense in that context. And that is why you won't find such statements, say, from 1990. All the quotes about "transfer being inevitable" or a "Jewish state not being able to survive" with a substantial Arab minority within it ALSO come from periods of war and terrorism. The entire argument about Israel not wanting a 2 state solution is also misleading. Israel has been increasingly resisting the idea of a terrorist-run Palestine having a standing army. For obvious reasons. And this is interpreted as not giving Palestine "sovereignty". The notion that Jews arrived organized in 1880 to buy land and turn it into a state is also totally misleading. Individual Jews were arriving dirt poor, mostly from other Arab countries. There were massacres as early as in the 1880s. And the only reason they were not on the land was a) because they had been cleansed and b) they were subjuguated as dhimmi under the muslim conquest. I can keep going and going. If you were convinced by isolated quotes from documents whose context you don't know, you need some training in historical methods.

[@lmaolol9357]

​@@bahram6133 Misrepresenting quotes* Doing the level of analasys of real world events that only someone studying religion could do*

[@Khan_Vail.]

⁠​⁠@@bahram6133you’re everywhere lol. He wasn’t just proving his claim. His quotes were taken out of context. The evidence has to connect to your conclusion. You can’t just put out random quotes and think you’re making an argument. Do you have a new refutation for why those quotes are actually in context?

[@andreassandgren5506]

Lol, of course he had to quote the "legend" Chomsky. Quoting Chomsky in the context of Israel - Palestine is like quoting Jordan Peterson on Climate Changes. Yeah, they might be PhDs in one area, but they 100% activists in the other.

[@Kloutkulture]

Such a ridiculous comparison. One is a hack with zero expertise in the field he criticizes. His positions are totally in contradiction to the entire field of knowledge and every professional academic/researcher in the field. While the other is an expert in linguistics, philosophy, political criticism, lived in Israel, and viewpoint stands in conjunction with all the contemporary academics on the matter.

[@yaeli_i_guess]

@@Kloutkulture but chomsky is literally a genocide denier..

[@GusLandgrab]

You mean Cambodian genocide defending Noam Chomsky?

[@BlackBeltMonkeySong]

Chomsky was a fan of the Khmer Rouge. The guy clearly had a screw loose when it came to geopolitics.

[@Kloutkulture]

@@andreassandgren5506 these guys are so dishonest wow ^

[@Xelbiuj_1988]

"Here's 1000 quotes. it is now okay for Hamas to use rape as a weapon of war. And it's not okay for Israel to use force to destroy them." or something.

[@Sar-gd7yi]

Perfectly summed up in 1 sentence, well done

[@falconeshield]

It's hilarious. H@mas used r*pe as a weapon of war on Oct 7th. I recall r*pe during war is considered to be a crime post 1945 (thank the Japanese and Nanjing, Allies in the liberation of France and the Soviets and April 1945 Berlin for that) and yet not a peep from the UN about this. Not. One. I guess the rules don't count if you 'deserve' it.

[@WhopperCheeseDota]

Its wild people like this guy try to use Bennie Morris as a source when he completely disagrees with them, and Destiny has had personal conversations with Morris. Yet they think they can magically divine a different narrative from his work.

[@KamilDeKerel]

by completly quoting him out of context in his own books, this guys is on crack or something

[@bahram6133]

Yeah, funny how what he wrote in his books and articles before he was a propagandist can be used to show his hypocrisy. And you Destiny Stans can keep coping by repeating the out of context claim without actually showing what and how anything was out of context.

[@WhopperCheeseDota]

@@bahram6133 there's hours of footage of Benny Morris explaining to Finkelstein why it's out of context if you care enough to look. Just look at the first 30min of their 2v2 debate on Lex Friedman's podcast. Even Lex who is notorious for being spineless called Finkelstein out over it lol

[@lmaolol9357]

Dude analysis Qur'an for a living...

[@Slayin101]

@@bahram6133thank you bro. EXACTLY this. Moving the goal post is their talent!

[@Jones-ke6bt]

"Dora the explorer said swiper no swiping. Now defend ethinic cleansing" -this guy.

[@glowindark64]

Ya except its worse cuz you didnt misrepresent dora in your example.

[@MatthewPendleton-kh3vj]

This is not an argument nor substantive. Try again.

[@MillennialSmark2]

​@@MatthewPendleton-kh3vjMay I respond? What he meant to say was Boots and super cool exploradora

[@be8420]

​@@MatthewPendleton-kh3vj 1:37:56 This guy is a Holocaust denier. He said it plain as day.

[@musicbot101]

@@be8420 Based those numbers are exaggerated as fuck

[@matsab7930]

Friendly notice that someone in the reddit compiled talking time, and this guy literally talked for 50 minutes more than destiny, and interrupted more often than him.

[@theomnidegenerate5236]

People like this are the reason why you should not be allowed to bring up your PhD or the supposed fact you have one in a discussion. Unless it is a PhD directly relevant to the exact topic you’re discussing. Because clearly his PhDs were worthless towards this topic

[@howdareyou41]

Dude kept comparing Palestinians to indigenous people. Like guy the Jews were the indigenous people and they were enslaved and murdered and forced to leave. Kicked out of the ME, flee to Europe. Europeans tell them go to back to the ME. ME tells them to go back to Europe. Good times!

[@theomnidegenerate5236]

@@howdareyou41 yeah that’s the part. I always find weird. They try and frame the Palestinians as the native Americans in those hypotheticals but the Jews are the ones who would be in the role of the native Americans in the first place.

[@exposedhobo]

Dude has a PhD in religion. I had a class on religion as my elective in University thinking it would be easy. We spent two lectures talking about the use of. Period Blood in rituals. This is what type of degree you're debating with

[@KamilDeKerel]

@@exposedhobo yeah if you ever think you have a useless life, just remember there's people with PHD about fairytales and make believe, i think anyone that has more than 65 iq can get one

[@mattmiller9809]

​@@exposedhoboa PhD being difficult doesn't relate to the qualifications to speak on another subject. I'm doing my research rn in the LDS Church and FLDS churches for my masters thesis. I'm not an expert in the history of Islam lol even tho I'm more knowledgeable than the average person. When you're a historian, you hyper specialize in one area of one field of religion and while you can state your qualifications up front, especially if its unrelated you can't use that as bludgeon in a debate lol. And being qualified as an expert in period blood rituals has no bearing on whether you have a qualifications to be an expert in Islam and especially not in Israel Palestine lol

[@vitonuyts7936]

Another PhD added to Mr Borrelli's collection

[@MrWolfy08]

He looks like Saint and the Sinner

[@tm5123]

@@MrWolfy08 The saint looks more like ADHD than PHD.

[@GKJusticar55]

Collecting spines like The Predator.

[@rotraven]

@@MrWolfy08 he looks like Saint's Row

[@MrWolfy08]

@@tm5123 Both give off a vibe of condescension that's almost cartoonish.

[@Rallylabs]

“Using violence to resist occupation” is a weird way to describe blowing up coffee shops and buses full of civilians.

[@Amick2003]

20 mins in. Bro poisoned the well with like 15 out of context quotes his opening statement, got triggered after Steven asked one question, accused him of obfuscating, and proceeded to ramble about definitions. Classic Palestine “academic” who isn’t mature enough to have an honest debate.

[@bahram6133]

Enjoy your copium bro.

[@Amick2003]

@@bahram6133 Enjoy proving my point

[@BlackReaperGames]

@@bahram6133how was he wrong? i literally watched this phd guy tard out for almost 3 hours about random shit?

[@danielclaridge2372]

I think this sums up the Palestinian side, obfuscate, take out of context quotes. Destiny even went and bought a book mid stream to instantly get the full quote and literally found the paragraph and it aligned with destiny’s point. This is how you attack these bad faith actors. Benny morris would literally laugh at this guy. Hes just taken finklesteins debate tactics. They take isreal bad, then find quotes that align with said conclusion without the full context. Disgusteng.

[@ghosthunter0950]

@@danielclaridge2372 Like honestly, at least on the Israeli side there are some people to talk with. on the Palestinian side the ones that do exist get harassed and shutdown by the rest for admitting ANY faults. There is a really cool dude from Gaza that actually had a balanced take on the conflict and he described how he got harassed by the pro Palestinian side despite him advocating for them as well.

[@FRDinaMechSuit]

This guy is like me trying to meet a 15 page essay requirement in high school, 5 quotes minimum per paragraph.

[@bean-pod]

The PHD dude was basically the "apples" guy in Good Will Hunting and it played out pretty much verbatim😂

[@ivers1001]

@OldSkool249 Thinking that espousing quotes without accurately painting a contextual picture is meaningful argument. Insanely fucking stupid and pitiful xD

[@Rufofeli]

​@OldSkool249You know that both are completely valid sources. Right? Or do you think the articles in wikipedia are just random gibberish from wikipedia itself?

[@zachhanson3794]

​@OldSkool249 quotes are fine, but he was taking quotes out of context and then trying to use them to paint broad strokes of intent of the zionists. You see it most clearly when he quoted that one guy (I watched half the video yesterday and half today, names and full quotes escape me) who said "Yeah, the partition plan isn't what we wanted but we must hold fast in revolutionary times" and tried to use that to say the Jews secretly accepted the plan to try and take all the land later. Again he took a quote out of context when he said the Hertzl quote of "I shall be the greatest antisemite" to mean he was literally an antisemite. He didn't mention the context at all of the Jewish/Zionist disapproval of the White Papers, just the terrorist attacks it caused. I'm not saying he is inherently bad faith but to ignore that much historical context is just silly

[@HiddenStr3ngth]

@OldSkool249 Damn, son. How many lobotomies did you have?

[@areichental]

This guy has timeline dyslexia.

[@KamilDeKerel]

phd guy: SO BOBBY SAID AND I QUOTE "HE WOULD KILL RICHARD AND CHOP OFF HIS HEAD" destiny: so was this after richard killed and ate bobby's family? phd guy: DOES THAT EVEN MATTER WHEN OR WHY BOBBY SAID THAT??? ITS CLEAR BOBBY IS A BLOOD LUSTING MURDERER

[@bahram6133]

May your copium be blessed.

[@feelthebern3783]

No. It's just that your Internet Daddy believes he has the Ultimate Grasp (TM) of how every person in every strand of the Zionist/Palestinian movements at the time THOUGHT - what their intentions, dispositions and motivations were - even though (and despite his Omniscience) Destiny seems to be unaware of the intentions of said political movements. Or at least he PRETENDS not to know it, when it's not convenient for him to admit certain historical facts, as they would destroy his position(s). And he can't have that, so he does this thing called "obfuscation"...

[@gr1mmd]

@@bahram6133 -51

[@Alonepistachio]

@@bahram6133good argument 😂

[@JamesN16]

There is no point where Destiny is talking where Javad is not trying to talk over him.

[@BlackBeltMonkeySong]

Precisely. Javad has no ability to respond to what Destiny was saying, because he never listened to what Destiny was saying.

[@dylaroo24]

1:08:35 This entire point feels so dishonest. You can’t say they falsely accepted the plan after the plan was never accepted on the other side. Once the other side rejects the agreement, there is no agreement at that point. Agreement requires acceptance on both sides, otherwise it’s not an agreement, you’d think a Havard PHD would understand this. It’s so dishonest. You can’t have an agreement, have one side back out and reject it, then one side agree to it, then condemn the side that accepted the agreement for not upholding the agreement that was never agreed upon, it’s nonsense. Even using his nuclear example, the answer to that is that there is no agreement cause the other side didn’t agree to it.

[@delaseoul87]

The very first slide the Harvard Ph.D. guy used purportedly showing Palestinian lands shrinking (the green portions on the map) has already been debunked as deceptive imagery persuasion/propaganda. The TLDR is that it presumes that the Palestinians occupied and had legal claim to the entire land of Israel since before the state was founded, which is completely false. You can argue it legally or demographically/historically. Either way, it’s objectively false. Either the Harvard guy didn’t check his sources, or he knows and doesn’t care. That’s shocking that he would use that picture

[@KamilDeKerel]

yeah this to me seems to be evidence number one that he would be bad faith

[@delaseoul87]

@@KamilDeKerelI can’t trust him as an academic. It’s one thing to argue, or to analyze things differently, reach different conclusions, or just have disagreements. But proper academics don’t rely on lies and mistruths. They seek the truth. They don’t rely on manipulation and dishonesty. If he used that in a dissertation defense, a panel would either require him to remove it, or literally deny him the doctorate. It’s that blatant.

[@bahram6133]

Ah yes, that technicality fully justifies the suffering and loss of life that has been the outcome of the Zionist project since 1880s.

[@ripem1417]

It also fails to show when Isr shrunk to make peace with Egp

[@ripem1417]

Also nice DIP callout. Do you watch Ryan Mcbeth?

[@trololkhil9868]

Looks like PhD stands for Petty hostile Diva these days.

[@shaheerislam1059]

you can't complain about being a diva when your guy is Destiny 😂

[@MatthewPendleton-kh3vj]

Are you not paying attention to who is escalating the tensions in this conversation? Are you people stupid? Jesus Christ. The brain rot from audiences of streamers is insane. Vaush's audience gets like this too. Think for your goddamn self.

[@KamilDeKerel]

@@shaheerislam1059 at least our diva is using arguments instead of out of context quotes

[@narutobankai]

​@@shaheerislam1059 substance not ad homs pls. Im shocked this academic engaged in this with a professional debater, should other professionals find this he would be shunned

[@HungoverHiicon]

@@KamilDeKerel my diva is using arguments too. it's just that he has quotes for backup. destiny has wiki for backup

[@Mike-vs1gf]

i guess its not surprising that somebody going for a PhD in islamic studies would behave this way. That alone completely discredits him in my eyes.

[@ZombieLincoln666]

He’s probably funded by Qatar

[@falconeshield]

A PhD in Islamic Studies should be taken as seriously as a Flat Earth Theory PHD. As long as they keep denying the Holocaust and mention Mo's vague take on 'the land' for whatever place they want to own that's non Islamic, zero legitimacy.

[@Daniebraids]

That's not education that's indoctrination.

[@theluchakabuto5206]

>didn’t come prepared with Powerpoint, auto loses debate

[@davidpinto-fernandez7132]

not really. I think Destiny should adopted this metod after he compiled all his research into a notepad, so more low IQ people understand his framework, now that there is IA should be more easy.

[@aidanjones4067]

Gonzalo Lira looking up in smug approval of this tactic.

[@sheilaT53]

Destiny comes across as over defensiveness, and frequently employs ad hominem attacks, sarcasm and loud indignation. A bit like Cenk. However he loses credibility with his snide answers , and appears underprepared and so lashes out. Although I agree with his underlying argument, the opponent is definitely well prepared and presents as a formidable opponent.

[@theluchakabuto5206]

@@sheilaT53 “I know I did good in a debate if the only thing people bring up are personal insults and attacks, not arguments I did poorly on in the actual debate” -Steven Kenneth Bonnell II 2024

[@sheilaT53]

@@theluchakabuto5206 Little to no arguments of consequence. Rapid fire attempts at comebacks amid exasperated sighs of frustration!

[@biggerdoofus]

I was on board with the professor when he started clarifying how he prefers to use the terms. I fell off when he accused Destiny of obfuscating just because of asking clarifying questions.

[@docal2]

Then he excused Arafat indecisiveness by "he simply asked clarifying questions"

[@bahram6133]

Don’t know what you watched, what I see is destiny just making claims and not being able to provide any references, then losing his cool & scuffing at use of books all while Hashmi argued and provided ample supporting evidence for every single point he argued.

[@biggerdoofus]

@@bahram6133 Both the events I cited were early in the video and neither were mutually exclusive to anything you said.

[@Imfreehowaboutu]

@@bahram6133I’m only 30min in but so far Javad has conceded virtually every historical claim destiny has made. He has a different interpretation of the motivations behind the facts but not the facts themselves. If you have even one example of Javad correcting him on a historical fact I’d love to hear to it.

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

​@@bahram6133 Destiny lost his cool trying to put quotes in context. Quoting F.D.R., Dwight D. Eisenhower, and Kamala Harris when talking about foreign enemies without acknowledging the context around each or the years apart is wildly inappropriate.

[@ElonMuskular]

Mr. Borelli do you acknowledge this quote from page 322 paragraph 41 that says you have a woman's name ?

[@CosminCosyCodes]

He did not start his presentation with the Isreal map meme. Dear god I'm 10 seconds in and I'm CRINGING.

[@ronix-p7q]

This map is a massive red flag

[@bahram6133]

And what exactly is wrong with the map?

[@SpicyPotatoes]

​@@bahram6133The map before 1946 on the very left is incorrect. Palestine didn't even cover 20% of that space at that time. It more like if you dipped your hand in water and flicked water droplets onto that area. Non of the maps at the beginning of the vid were accurate.

[@ronix-p7q]

@@bahram6133 The first map and the three others showed 2 completely different things. The first one showed an ethnic map while the other three referred to state borders. This showcase attempts to conflate the ethnic and the state-borders-maps in order to create the illusion that the state of Palestine somehow existed before 1947 which is of course nonsense.

[@BlackBeltMonkeySong]

@@bahram6133 map is missing Jordan. The mandate was British, and belonged to the Ottomans before it. Map implies that Arabs owned all that territory, when, in Israel's modern borders, they owned roughly the same amount as the Jews.

[@RedOlympus]

He refused to let destiny get a point in uninterrupted. Propaganda on point

[@bahram6133]

Cuz destiny had nothing but a narrative that was clearly and repeatedly refuted by the references Javad provided.

[@travisolfert6437]

@@bahram6133 Copium, he interrupted more AND talked for twice the time. Half of his time was wasted on irrelevant quotes,

[@RedOlympus]

@@bahram6133my name is Chad and your coping is sad

[@sf8il]

​@@bahram6133please be a bot

[@dawnkeyy]

​@@travisolfert6437And 1/5 of his talking time was spent on condescension and assholishness

[@FeliciaRojasDMA]

Someone with a doctorate here in an unrelated field 🙋🏽‍♀️ A secondary source should NEVER be seen as more important than a primary source. I can’t believe that Hashmi tried to say that the primary source isn’t relevant and then backtracked to say that the secondary source is more important than the primary source. We use secondary sources as resources to find out what the primary sources are, but primary sources are always more important than secondary sources. He’s either EXCEEDINGLY bad faith or he’s just that big of a moron. Either way, he doesn’t deserve his degree, imho. What a hack… Good job calling him out so much, Destiny.

[@ArtysCorpFiction]

It was there, but the moment he openly glazed History Speaks, you know he was this guy's "coach."

[@zaynabarike238]

destiny doesn’t do the exact same thing?

[@airiquelmeleroy]

@@zaynabarike238 No. He never quotes historians (secondary sources), he only quotes historical records (primary sources).

[@zaynabarike238]

@@airiquelmeleroy Are you … a serious person? He never quotes historians who research historical records he just looks up historical records that were preserved and released by …. historians? gosh you people are dumb

[@idontreadreplies1804]

@@zaynabarike238 Seeing you get mad and cry in every reply, leaving useless comments that are blatantly incorrect, and then disappearing when you get shut down and ratioed has been the most entertaining part of the comment section. What an airhead lmfao

[@zakazan8561]

it's a destiny talks for 20 seconds and professor yapper talks for 20 minutes episode, while also constantly interrupting destiny during his 20 seconds.

[@exposedhobo]

Thats generous destiny gets at most 10

[@tedshep]

This guy is insufferable. Destiny can’t even finish a sentence without him interrupting.

[@falconeshield]

What was even the point of the mod if they stay silent

[@virgilsguidance]

It’s wild when people accuse others of “debate broing” and then proceed to constantly beg for concessions, try to get “gotchas”, and do nothing but toss out context free quotes.

[@jimmmyz169]

This should be at the top!

[@JustAPriapism]

Dont forget the relentless slew of ad homs and personal attacks and little one liner jabs and quips literally the entire time and then immediately crying and shittingandpissing all over the place the one time he calls them out on any of it. Its so wild

[@intellectualwizard7597]

Weird so many people try to quote Benny morris to destiny like they weren’t debate partners on this topic.

[@bahram6133]

Because destiny has so clearly read sooooo muchhhh on the topic 😂 you guys are pathetic.

[@scruffymonkeh8916]

@@bahram6133 You can watch him read

[@intellectualwizard7597]

@@bahram6133 javad is reading quotes from an author who has shown he disagrees with his view on the timeline.

[@TienNguyen-ry5jz]

@@bahram6133he did.hundred of hours, he literally streamed when he was reading them ? I’m confused

[@ciko7064]

@@bahram6133bro I think this is javads burner

[@Justomgee]

PhD SLAMMED BY COLLEGE DROPOUT

[@vinnycannoli]

Brother should start uploading these to the hub

[@patmacrotch5611]

Him: “Destiny you said X and that was incorrect” Destiny: “ok explain” Him: insert random persons quote from a book

[@ToveriJuri]

Welcome to citation brain.

[@ksdkddk8753]

If the supposed mistake is coming from a lack of knowledge about an event that happend, the dr mostly stated what happend and quoted a historian destiny trust as a reliable source, in other words he stated what he believes actually happend and provided a source. This is basic requirement in a „scientific“ debate, and if destiny doubts the motivation of a person/organization , the dr quotes the person/ organisation to extract the motivation of a person that did something. Im actually suprised how well he researched and had everything on hand, knew if im not mistaken literally every event anyone mentioned, knew ideas/theories surrounding the topic, stayed respectful. It really showed, how destiny and his fans are actually how many people claim they are, hive minded, resorting to „debate“ tactis, insults etc. It seems if destiny is firm on a standpoint and not willing to change, he resorts to „debate tactics“ when the opponent actually knows more than destiny. In other debates with unexperienced or bad debators he had clearly won, but here he actually got angry for the dr to have sources on hand

[@lo-filogic]

@@ksdkddk8753 all the quotes are used out of context

[@ksdkddk8753]

@@lo-filogic The quoted themself, fit pretty much what he is trying to say. But if they are out of context and are meant to mean something different in the source, i cannot say, neither could Destiny

[@ksdkddk8753]

@@lo-filogic neither can you, you neither read all the books, transcripts (sources) nor did you check the context of the quotes, meaning you are lying

[@LuciusSicarius]

Watching Destiny debate all these guys who are college professors or hold PhDs on IP, is legitimately killing my respect for higher education.

[@Kelvasisthebest]

Destiny does say that without the intelligent people with PHDs, we wouldn't have the scholarship that he uses to defeat non-serious PHDs. It's hard to remember that sometimes when we have people like this making a mockery of academia...

[@Mattropolis97]

Well to be fair, this guy’s PHD is in religion and that has literally nothing to do with knowing the history Destiny studied. A PHD is a measure of commitment to a topic and experience researching more so than one of general intelligence. If I’m the head of NASA I’d 100% hire a PHD in mechanical engineering over someone with a bachelors because the PHD shows me he’s published work on something that’s never been published, which demonstrates leadership and contribution of fresh ideas

[@MatthewPendleton-kh3vj]

I've watched Destiny debate Finkelstein and that was hilarious. Destiny got destroyed. At the time I tried to follow every factual statement made, and nowhere on the Palestinian side was there any substantive problem. I do remember Destiny making a lot of leaps of logic, I'd have to go back and re-watch. If you're interested, maybe we can set up something like this sometime where we watch and go through it together. At the time I did it with my friend, we were both constantly having to pause to be like, "wtf did Destiny just imply?" You don't have to take my word for it, you can do it as well, and just look for the sources for each statement. It takes forever, but when you finish, you can clearly see who is on the right side and who is just presenting themselves as intelligent on the issue. Destiny is not stupid, nor is he completely ignorant, he's just immersing himself in short periods of time to a lot of material and falling for the oldest trick of the mind, the Dunning Kruger.

[@jphysics]

​@@MatthewPendleton-kh3vjtoo long, didn't read

[@Dirtydoge414]

@@MatthewPendleton-kh3vjall of that text and not one example of your point?

[@JRuni0r]

I was really hoping that at some point Destiny would have apologized for interrupting the beginning of Dr.Hashmi's sentences with the midle of his.

[@EarlsPearls]

Anytime someone gives a 1 sentence quote in a book or article I immediately am sceptical. Benny Morris has had to explain how his quotes have been misused so many times its insane

[@rapaore]

Why does everyone think they are the ones who will defeat Destiny on the issue of Israel while they keep making the same arguments?

[@JustAPriapism]

Because literally ALL of their fans / viewers / subs ONLY care about the optics. The "dunks" the one liner quips the ad homs its the only thing you ever see in their comments. About how destiny got owned, cuz hes a debate bro meme, cuz finklestein, cuz paid shill, cuz colonizer. Its just absolutely wild. Edit: so technically for them, they did defeat him. Optically. It makes them money, their fans love it, it gives them a platform, it grows their audience, theres literally no downside for them as long as they use all of the tricks and throw in a "ha ur wife left dude" snd everyone stands up and claps.

[@fisharepeopletoo9653]

Dude lost the debate right at the beginning when he jsed his opening statements to attack Destiny instead of the relevant points. Don't come in with personal attacks, even if you think the other person is horrendous. You are trying to convince the people. By attacking a person like this you are turning his followers defensive and gaining clout from his enemies. If thats what you want, go for it, but that's not a debate, thats clout chasing. Im here for a discussion of ideas. Weird how Destiny sticks to these ideas and sticks to pouring out facts while this guy has only out of context quotes and personal attacks. Just based off this, you lose

[@mugshotmoose]

I used to believe more in appealing to authority until I realized this guy was the "authority"

[@ogolthorp]

You don’t appeal to authority, you appeal to the research and studies that the authorities on the subject have done. Because a single person can be biased or compromised, but a body of academic work on a particular subject tend to have a lot of facts and supporting evidence.

[@mugshotmoose]

​@@ogolthorp I appreciate the teachable moment. This was more of a joke.

[@Imfreehowaboutu]

He is an authority but not an authority on this topic. People using his PHD as support for his argument here are literally committing the argument from false authority fallacy. I have a degree in music theory so I can’t be wrong about this 😅

[@tiggerbane4325]

@@ImfreehowaboutuDestiny 2.0 out here!

[@lupen_rein]

and all he does is quote people or books, which in itself is more an appeal to authority than to understand the actual underlying context.

[@cowmath77]

I spent 6 years of my life dating a PHD/post doc scholar, surrounded by other PHD scholars, and I can say for a fact that I have never experienced such an entitled and socially incompetent group of people since. Hashmi is everything wrong with modern college.

[@bahram6133]

How your (presumably failed) relationship has any bearing on this? And how exactly was Hashim entitled or socially incompetent? He stayed clam and professional almost the whole time in the face of destiny losing his shit and doing everything he could to make him slip up and lose his composure.

[@AdonisOuranios]

@@bahram6133 Destiny getting heated doesn't mean he isn't being coherent and reasonable. Destiny gets emotional sometimes, it's part of why he's entertaining, but Destiny is able to read AND digest material in order to explain it and not just infinitely quote sources expecting it to be an argument. A quote is not an argument. He's right in saying the world does not exist in quotes, there's so much lost nuance and intentions with JUST quotes. Quotes should be minor supports for your overarching argument, not your entire essay.

[@Khan_Vail.]

@@bahram6133dude was “professional”? He was literally shooting pop shots at destiny implying that he’s racist and dishonest.

[@yaeli_i_guess]

@@bahram6133 stop liking your own comments lmao it's pathetic

[@scisher3294]

He’s so fixed on “Jew, Bad. Arab, Good”. Did he ever state even once something that was Bad about the Arabs actions?

[@Sar-gd7yi]

They never will. It goes against their religion.

[@falconeshield]

​@@Sar-gd7yiYou know I used to feel bad for Arabs who are associated with Islam. Not anymore. Do something about this Arabs this is your mess

[@Daniebraids]

That's how all pro Palestine river to the sea people are. Their hatred of Zionists makes them irrational.

[@X7Excalibur]

A PhD in religion has to be the most worthless study i can imagine. Musical theatre majors still at least learn to dance...

[@Mattropolis97]

I mean the religious guys are learning how to “dance” for someone/thing that doesn’t exist 🤷🏻‍♂️😂

[@william4996]

I think it's fine, religion is history and it's a valid field to research. But yeah, obviously it doesn't help him in this conversation.

[@bahram6133]

@@william4996yeah, we see how he wiped the floor with your boy destiny, imagine if he was a historian.

[@lmaolol9357]

I was with this PHD guy until the point he mentioned that Zionist bombed the boats of their own people, and he, not a historian himself, UNEARTHED proof that proto-Mossad killed their own people fleeing the danger for Holocost from some greater plan like it's from some anime.

[@GS-ob9vt]

I think Alex O'Connor is a great example of how secular study of religion can lead to very compelling and thoughtful conversations. I forget the exact quote but I think he might have liken it to anthropology. It's interesting to see how perspectives have changed over time. Also important to understand a topic if you want to argue about it.

[@kawaiiandbeans124]

Javad presents a quote and his analysis Destiny discusses quote and provides context to counter said analysis Javad counters with bringing up more quotes and not acknowledging he didn't analyze that quote correctly and asks to move away from that discussion This cannot be the bulk of their convos right?

[@KamilDeKerel]

it was

[@bahram6133]

More like Destiny repeatedly wants to tell a story he was thought be his handlers, and Hashim provides evidence to debunk his claims, to which Destiny has no answer but to go back to making the same claims again and again while ignoring the provided evidence. But yeah, I get the draw of the copium.

[@exposedhobo]

​@bahram6133 dude I've seen you on every single comment posting something pro Javad...Javad we onow its you man, go te bed man finklesteins waiting, hes gonna try that thing you like

[@kawaiiandbeans124]

@@bahram6133 Huh? Javad provides a quote as evidence to debunk Destiny. Okay, we can agree that much. They then go ahead and discuss the quote and agree on relevant context that actually supports Destiny's claim more than Javad's. Javad then introduces more quotes to support his claim but tries to change the subject afterwards. How is this a Javad win? Surface level observation supports Javad but everytime they try to dig deeper and actually analyze his quotes, he is not able to support anything he says.

[@travisolfert6437]

@@kawaiiandbeans124 Having quotes is not an argument, that would take some skill which, he doesn't have. Guy's just Islam pilled and hates jews.

[@KilimnikGenya]

What angers me about the Palestinians sides argument is it hinges on the listener not knowing the history of Palestine or Israel.

[@orpheus0108]

They just aren't biased enough to dismiss colonial settler projects.

[@KilimnikGenya]

@@orpheus0108 : I don’t know about that but in their narrative it is imperative to completely ignore all arab aggression. It’s important to pretend like there is a system of forced transfer and they act like the Nakba wasn’t a result of an all out joint attack on Israel but for some other nefarious reasons. They leave out the joint attack to make this appearance. Not that it was logical for Israel to not allow these people back after they made their intentions known but that Israel was operating nefariously. That’s about the extent KZbin chat will allow me to explain.

[@bahram6133]

What angers us is your total hypocrisy and moral bankruptcy. After decades of occupation, apartheid and ceaseless massacres of thousands of innocents happening in front of our eyes using weapons provided by the West, after lie after lie after lie by Israel, after countless vetoed or ignored UN & SC resolutions, with all the illegal settlements, after clear positions taken by international courts, you still pretend to care about facts or the truth… have the courage of your convictions at least and come out explicitly in support of the racist colonial genocide that has been taking place and be done with it. Be honest, would you or the world have tolerated a year of this shit if the victims were white?

[@BlackBeltMonkeySong]

@@KilimnikGenya they also ignore the fact that Arabs aren't indigenous to the region, and that many Arabs were migrating because of jobs from Jewish development. The various muslim caliphates persecuted or ethnically cleansed non-muslims, patiently over centuries, which is why places like the Palestine Mandate had so many muslims. It's 7thC morality, but Islamic scholars somehow have to believe that they have the moral highground, which is why Islamic apologetics is such a sh*tshow of bad history.

[@KilimnikGenya]

@@BlackBeltMonkeySong : This is spot on. I’m surprised your comment didn’t get instantly sniped though. Every time I try to explain the Israeli Jews plight to anyone online my comments get sniped. Like literally 1 out of every 2 comments this happens with. It makes this issue that you expertly raised almost impossible to explain it is also the reason Jewish people were scattered all over the world instead of in their ancestoral homeland.

[@bluepedalsrock9271]

Take a shot every time this guy says “Benny Morris.”

[@mikemorenilla7444]

I want to live, no thanks.

[@nothasbara3893]

He both quotes Benny Morris and disagrees with Benny at the same time.

[@BrendanBeckett]

Even Norm Finkelstein would cringe at this guy's obsession with using quotes as arguments

[@YudShin]

I watched the whole thing and im still not sure if Javad tried to debate destiny or tried to debate with his own notes and thoughts. PS Why is that pro-ps supporters always trying to deflect historic events by quoting out of context?

[@papki9157]

Because they are wrong

[@John-bravooo]

They have no facts only emotion

[@davidhoffman2311]

He was definitely debating his own thoughts of what he thinks someone like Destiny would believe. It’s pretty dumb, tbh.

[@melm295]

Bc all they have is a house of card. They had to reverse evidence of their conspiracies.

[@josh_flash]

It was so strange. "I'm a scholar. That's what scholars do." was Javad's excuse. But this is a debate not a public display of scholarship. He also seemed to think that rambling for 5 minutes then saying, "let's move on," was a reasonable strategy. I would have been interested to see what he actually thought about the matter, but he hid behind quotes and "scholarship."

[@GBGB000]

Academia isn't sending their best

[@Carvaka]

Academia isn’t at its best.

[@KamilDeKerel]

@@Carvaka always has been 🔫

[@ripem1417]

@@CarvakaI don’t think it ever has been tbh. Outside of STEM most of it has been always been pretentious nonsense that only garnered respect due to it being regarded as some sort false authority. With the advent of the internet and supposed academics exposing themselves left and right along with laymen being able to educate themselves for free, it will continue to just go downhill and become a bigger joke. I don’t think academia earns respect as an institution anymore.

[@KingstonHawke]

Everyone on this comment section claiming quotes were taken out of context but not providing any examples of specific quotes and the context that would’ve been proper compared to how they were used is the problem. This audience is no different than Trump’s. Wrong or right you’re just repeating what Destiny said and putting no actual thought into it. It’s embarrassing.

[@ightimmaheadout290]

Why are you so obsessed with hate watching destiny? You have over 100 comments hating on this guy (not saying you are wrong or right)

[@KingstonHawke]

@ightimmaheadout290 when it comes to politics I go out of my way to watch people I agree and disagree with. But that means I end up leaving a lot more comments on the videos I disagree with because why just leave a comment agreeing with someone. I agree with at least 80% of Destiny's politics, but 10% of the time he's clearly saying nonsense and his fans don't care. They are basically Trump fans. Thus crowd is worse than Hasan's by a mile, and it's weird because Destiny is a lot smarter than Hasan.

[@ightimmaheadout290]

​@@KingstonHawkeVery solid points 👍, I respect that response a lot

[@DespicableMal]

"the ineffective iron dome" *laughs at Israeli civilian losses to unguided missiles*, yep there it is.

[@Daniebraids]

They just hate Jews and pretend as if Israel is the racist one. When Israel has all different ethnic groups. The Arabs never do anything wrong it's all Jews fault.

[@IoIocaust]

google his name and it comes up "islamic scholar" and "quranic scholar" . . basically a nice way of saying he's not a scholar in anything and a trained liar.

[@orpheus0108]

Very cerebral position. I like that you googled it and didn't quote a book

[@IoIocaust]

@@orpheus0108 ok here is a quote. Mohammad rode a flying donkey and split the moon in two. Nobody saw this bit trust me it happened.

[@ripem1417]

Dude stop she was a fully developed nine your old bro

[@IoIocaust]

@@ripem1417 "I swear, your honor, she was fully deveoped!! "

[@RachelJ-ki6nt]

There’s nothing wrong with people of the same background wanting to live together. That’s not discrimination. It’s called being human.

[@hyplix241]

So according to this guy the arabs have never ever done anything wrong.. I wonder whoch religions he's studying in his theology courses😅 definitely Judaism right

[@Daniebraids]

That's all pro Palestine people

[@RedOlympus]

MFer said the Munich massacre was justified resistance by colonizers against their occupation. They castrated the Israeli Olympic team

[@Ninjakat46]

“What’s resolution 181” 😭 I thought he went to Harvard

[@MacNille]

He use the map….

[@orio723]

The post-debate analysis is on point

[@burnbird16]

Today I learned that brown people history is reading quotes from people who agree with you. Brilliant.

[@burnbird16]

Oh, and whining like a woman. That, too!

[@mohydeh2647]

So bringing up facts is wrong, noted.

[@burnbird16]

@mohydeh2647 If you think that a quote from a person is equivalent to an historical fact -- particularly when "historical" here is a bit of a stretch, all of this took place in the last century -- then you are part of the problem.

[@soniaiboyako4023]

Not even! as a good chunk of his quotes were from people who disagree w him

[@ripem1417]

I already knew this was gonna be garbage when I saw the 6th grade PowerPoint with the misleading “maps”, out of context quotes, and headline screenshots.

[@Zach0451]

Man. I should get a PhD…

[@splashfuzz315]

Just picked a few up. They're sellin em for $1.99 rn! Get down there!

[@bahram6133]

You could try, let us know how it goes.

[@yonexsp8448]

@@bahram6133 keep coping under every comment 😭☪💹

[@topkek670]

you cant get a mcdonalds job. just move out of mommys basement first.

[@Zach0451]

@@topkek670 lmao keep coping brother

[@animagamer2]

Leave it to a religious PHD to treat quotes from a book as gospel while ignoring the larger context surrounding the events. So long as I have this one line in my good book the actual reality at the time doesn't matter.

[@guy0116]

All they have is faith in the word of the book.

[@backsfx]

need to go 80 years back to say a terrorist attack was bad and had consequences

[@johnleoks7642]

It's beneath a Harvard PHD to basically spend 3 hours quote mining statements with limited context as their main debate strategy, especially against someone like Destiny who also knows the same quotes. PHD btw.

[@travisolfert6437]

My dad said you are wrong and he has a bigger PhD than you.

[@movieqnamew7418]

As a pro israel destiny fan, destiny got cooked. He's rejecting evidence in a silly manner and was unhinged while this phd guy remained civil

[@matteopernisa]

Is really he an Harvard Professor?????? We have a huge problem guys!

[@TheLumberjack1987]

Israel kinda bad? Yes Palestine much worse? Absolutely YES

[@buckmanley1233]

It's the other way around

[@Sheebalba]

@@buckmanley1233Funny that a lot arab Israelis would disagree 😅

[@marcomarin1196]

@@Sheebalba funny that a lot of Jewish would agree

[@Sheebalba]

@@marcomarin1196 not really just a few

[@palaven4048]

​@@marcomarin119690% of Jews are zionists. Nice try bud.

[@bensapulpa3131]

On behalf of a Native American family, please don't compare what happened to my race to what's going on with the Palestinians. It's offensive.

[@shaheerislam1059]

Both are setter-colonial projects. You do not represent your people. Most Native Americans agree with the comparison.

[@AJTomaJr]

No it isn't. I'm Kiowa, what tribe are you?

[@Dillanger]

Was just watching this on MDD's channel This guy is like the final boss of bad faith debaters 😂😭 Lowkey wish there wasnt a moderator, seems like anytime Stevie-boy gets fired up, mod steps in to try to calm things down. These types of people need to be confronted head on, as blunt and aggressive as possible.

[@hotlinewav]

truuuuuue.. with debates like these the moderators only serve to babysit and protect the bad faith debater (tm)

[@KamilDeKerel]

jup, otherwise they weasly out, literally everytime the moderator stepped in a bit he immidiatly went "oh lets move, on lets move on okay?"

[@JRuni0r]

The moderator loved to reset the conversation and send it back to Dr.Hashmi whenever he couldn't hear what Dr.Hashmi was saying while he was interrupting Destiny.... Of course there were a handful of times where the Moderator did have to repeatedly remind Dr.Hashmi that he would get his turn to speak but that he could in fact allow Destiny a minute of uninterrupted time. It seemed as if both Dr.Hashmi and the moderator were under the impression that this debate/discussion was in fact a 3 hour lecture by Dr.Hashmi and Destiny was the only invited guest who for some unknown reason assumed he was allowed to speak.

[@Lt.BunnyGirl]

Destiny wasn't arguing against this guy, he was arguing against 50 different authors who weren't there to argue their claims

[@shaheerislam1059]

You could have stopped at “destiny wasn’t arguing” Javad used the quotes and book citations to create an argument for why Israel takes the lion’s share of the blame of this conflict. Destiny just didn’t have the counters to deal with it. Probably cuz he doesn’t read books, he just reads wiki

[@Gilfaizon]

Antisemitism is a modem phenomenon is a crazy take from a historian

[@shaheerislam1059]

that was never javad's take

[@Gilfaizon]

@@shaheerislam1059 he said it twice towards the end. If you want to give him the benefit of the doubt at the most you could say he meant it’s modern among Arabs, but he 1000% said that twice.

[@shaheerislam1059]

@@Gilfaizon Can you show me a tmestamp

[@soniaiboyako4023]

​​​@@shaheerislam1059 2:39:31 for instance - "largely, antisemitism is something modern and new" bc according to him Zionism pretty much invented anti-semitism as we know it. 2:38:38 just weird revisionism in general (this happened all throughout tbh)

[@shaheerislam1059]

@@soniaiboyako4023 2:39:27 “not to say there wasn’t any anti-semitism before that”. I thought destiny fans didn’t like out of context quotes? What happened to that? And before you bring up Germany because you didn’t watch what he was talking about you should know he’s exclusively talking about the Muslim world. There was not much anti-semitism in the Muslim world relative to how Jews were treated in Europe until the Zionist project began. Jews were given equal rights in the Ottoman Empire in 1836. I only disagree with him about calling the Zionist project “modern”. But he is correct that the claims that the anti-Semitic attitudes that is currently a part of the majority of the Muslim world has been a response to Zionism and not some imaginary hatred of Jews for being Jews

[@promethiac2641]

Territorial Tribalism is a Dungeons and Dragons campaign with only losers. "That is my magical dirt"

[@psycomutt]

This is the only correct answer

[@markymarkymarkymarky]

The fact that a Harvard PHD is using smoke and mirrors and half truths in a debate is rather pathetic.

[@Daniebraids]

No pro Palestine people have no good arguments for the ridiculous goal of destroying Israel. They have to make the Jews out to be just straight evil.

[@TeslaAI]

Destiny just sighs when things aren’t going his way with a passive-aggressive “ok” implying he has an answer but is too tired to present it. I think the Harvard dude has the better of the argument here but could have done better by not making things so personal with Destiny.

[@JuanPerez-ru5qt]

Are we supposed to be kind to Holocaust deniers? Are we supposed to be nice to genocide denialism? I think no.

[@gorodemode]

an ethnic cleanse is literally driven by ethnicity -by definition. Not security. The cognitive dissonance is next level.

[@brokencreationlordmegatrol3037]

Sorry but why is this moderator even fucking here ???

[@travisolfert6437]

Bro literally talked 2x as much. I can give you some quotes if you need them to prove my point.

[@JRuni0r]

The moderator was awful, little more than an IG/TikTok 'react' / repost channel. Face in the corner contributing nothing to the content. There were a handful (maybe) of times he actually asked Dr.Hashmi to let Destiny speak but his only other interventions happened when Dr.Hashmi was relentlessly talking while Destiny was trying to speak and made some generic comment about how they should take turns and then sent it back to Dr.Hashmi because he couldn't understand what he was saying while he was interrupting Destiny...

[@AlchemistsTable]

The moderator is far, far out of his league to balance discussions at this calibur.

[@travisolfert6437]

@@AlchemistsTable He is always hands off, have you ever seen anything otherwise?

[@mazerat3122]

His first reply to Destiny's opening statement was to bring up something he quoted. Finklestein would be proud.

[@xephronzz9585]

So essentially, forgive me if I'm wrong, is that Destiny lists off historical events that HAVE happened, yet this guy's only rebuttal is to cite quotes that aren't relevent to the events nor dispute them? Dude wtf

[@m1sch13f8]

My disdain for academia continues to grow