Sam Harris & Konstantin Kisin Debate: Corruption, Israel-Hamas, Tucker Carlson, DEI & Migrant Crisis

[@TomBilyeu]

WARNING: I will never ask for your contact info in the comments section, that is someone impersonating me!

[@lifeisagift5627]

Why did you deleted my message?

@@lifeisagift5627

[@v1kt0u5]

Hi Tom. I despise your lazy timestamps, the bare minimum and specifically ambiguous to make us watch more ¬¬ I love all the rest...

[@aliknight8419]

Sam Harris does not want you to know about the Operation Northwoods and lavon affair

[@michaelmonaco9277]

😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

[@davidstoffler-couch5201]

I love Kiris and Harris being able to live exactly whats needed now. People coming together, sharing ideas, agree and disagree but still be able to sit in the same room with each with each other

[@hilaryswan4323]

We can't know the truth without honesty and that's thin on the ground.

[@christophermarcone5504]

these dudes are simply pretending to be objective when it's obvious on many levels they are totally bias and agenda driven . Mostly , they over simplify and generalize on many subjects in order to appeal to their base . It's more like politics than journalism

[@Hands2HealNow]

We can have honesty...We can have the Trivium and critical thinking.

[@TheMellett]

Nicely put

[@AurielArizola]

Somebody said this about people being interviewed: "If they're not anxious, they're not honest."

[@jessesewell7922]

Precisely. This is why the West is failing massively in the Academies right now with respect to doing real Science. Liars are not capable of doing Science because Science is the pursuit of Truth.

[@annemiller8227]

Sam Harris saying that he doesn't really think or worry about what the audience wants bc someone is always upset about "something"... That has ALWAYS been true! It's why there is a saying "you can't please all of the people all of the time"

[@alvodin6197]

Sam Harris is a bigot, islamophobic, thinks black people are inferior and so on. That's it. If you aren't smart enough to figure that out and think he's some profound intellectual, then I feel bad for you.

[@dirtydawg448]

He was talking about it from the perspective of someone who benefits from having a larger audience listening to what his opinions are on a regular basis

[@wheredidugo6739]

I think the line is ' you can't fool all the people all the time' ;-)

[@annemiller8227]

@@wheredidugo6739 both are common sayings I heard for decades

[@andrewglover9874]

True, with social media the poison and hatred is spread and delivered in seconds, who needs it?

[@fghttyc]

Great guests! Thank you! Always interesting to listen Sam Harris ❤

[@GlynScotford]

"They will throw you off a fucking roof" - Konstantin Kisin

[@lizolohangmail]

That's if you're lucky 😢

[@ajs41]

He was by far the best speaker on this video.

[@scottsherman5262]

@@ajs41 Ya, he's hard to beat in a setting like this, he's just such a gifted & skilled speaker, & he's lighting fast on his feet. I will add, those are all potential red flags for me. I happen to agree with most of what I hear from him & I do think he's a good actor, but folks who have that gift of the spoken word can be amongst the most dangerous in public spaces.

[@DK-pn8bd]

There isn't a single case of a gay person being thrown off a roof in Palestine. Konstantin will never provide a single name because it doesn't exist. Konstantin wouldn't know a fact if it smacked him in the face lol.

[@amadexi]

@@scottsherman5262 Exactly, I think that Kisin is even better than people like Dawkins when it comes to showing how religions are dangerous

[@thomasd2444]

00:00 - Tools distort reality 21:48 - Ideas & the truth 41:15 - Historical context matters 1:00:46 - The spread of misinformation 1:21:54 - Carefully engage with criticism 1:38:55 - Protecting democracy and capitalism 19:28 - You mentioned someone like Tucker Carlson.

[@baggyobeast]

So glad I found this video and yet another idea forum. More and more are coping up shedding light on closed minded beliefs. This gives me hope.

[@tiffanyfournier2985]

Tom is exhaustingly wordy. He loves hearing himself speak...

[@ajs41]

He talks far too much, I agree.

[@scottstefan1]

It's seems to me he is trying to understand and asks questions, not talk over them, right?

[@scottstefan1]

I'm 20min in and he has said nothing

[@scottsherman5262]

@@scottstefan1 She's (the OP) objectively correct, as is the first commenter...Tom burns thru an enormous word count for a net negative impact on the topic at hand. Perhaps this video isn't the best example, but ya, it's a thing. What's far worse, though, is his dress. This is a supposed grown man. He's got a backwards hat, indoors, hyper-stupid shoes/pants/necklace...how has there not been an uprising against the way this man dresses on a very popular podcast?!?!???

[@carefulconsumer8682]

yes.

[@v1kt0u5]

Hi Tom. I despise your lazy timestamps, the bare minimum and specifically ambiguous to make us watch more ¬¬ I love all the rest...

[@shawnfromportland]

i have to comment to counter all the negative comments about Sam. having followed and read everything he's done since 2005, the man is incredibly consistent. all of his actions and work align with what he says he is concerned about and doing. i can hardly think of a public figure with greater intellectual humility. for a decade he's invited incredibly smart people on his podcasts to talk about a variety of topics, usually with the purpose of learning from them. he's not a shill as he gives away memberships to his podcast and app for free. he isn't bound to audience capture as he regularly offends the right and left, and isn't on Twitter/ doesn't pay much attention to audience feedback. few people alive have done as much for "truth seeking" as this man, with the compassion and bravery to put himself in public and share a rare voice of reason for the benefit of everyone to think for themselves. i can't believe we are talking about the same person when i read all the hate comments for Sam, and i can only conclude those who leave such comments have very low intellectual humility and are emotionally driven. personally i am politically unaffiliated and i believe scientific understanding is the only framework for understanding reality, and i believe anti-science viewpoints are the cause of nearly every problem we face socially. Sam is the voice of reason, seeks out alternate viewpoints, and is constantly updating and correcting himself when he was wrong.

[@iknownothing-m8c]

You do realize that Sam has said that straight up lying to the public can be justified? I'd take any "truth" from that man with a shovel of salt. And I actually used to be a fan of his...

[@nicholaslaport3354]

​@@iknownothing-m8c Are you serious? Sam believes lying is one of the greatest moral offenses. Can you elaborate?

[@saulger6409]

​@@iknownothing-m8c You misunderstood. The introduction (first paragraph) to his essay Lying (search for lying.pdf) states: "Lying is the royal road to chaos. "

[@phineasgage8252]

@@nicholaslaport3354 I think he is talking about the Hunter Biden laptop situation, where Sam has said that he doesnt blame the NYT or whoever it was for delaying the news until after the election because he sees Trump as an existential threat. I can agree that that is a problematic opinion, and it borders on not telling the truth to be honest. I still listen to Sam Harris but I am quite tired of the endless talking about Trump.

[@jasontr2011]

I 100% agree with you. He's been one of the most intellectually honest public figures. All the Sam Harris haters are typically people that hear one thing that goes against their beliefs, and they start spewing BS about him.

[@havocgr1976]

Sam as usual speaks and thinks on a completely different level.I love Kisin too so this is going to my favorites.

[@onlinepersona4333]

5:22 "I've never made the claim that anyone should listen to me" ... Spare us the false humility platitudes and grow a spine, Mr. Kisin. Say you believe in your ideas and demonstrate why they're good.

[@Azerkeux]

Perhaps he is insecure in his beliefs

[@mataform]

Well ha hasnt has he? Silly comment. He doesnt start his podcast or interviews saying "you must listen to this" . duh!

[@HANECart1960]

51:00 " "I had been a Maoist, and then when the Gang of Four was overthrown, I was completely distraught. I was bedridden for three weeks; it was a very painful experience for me. Not only because I had been wrong, but because I felt really embarrassed that I had been lecturing and pontificating with such self-confidence." -Norman Finkelstein are you guys stupid??

[@chriseastopher]

Yes. These people like the smell of their own farts and are guilty of confirmation bias; then discussing things they don't actually bother to fact check, with complete confidence. That's what is means to be a public intellectual in the days of the Internet.

[@HANECart1960]

@@chriseastopher yes public "intellectual" indeed :)

[@venga3]

Another Jewish speaker, curious.

[@filipedias8397]

Agree with them Sam! Wedtlive to see you talking to more people you disagree with!!!

[@paperfart3988]

I'd love to see Sam Harris and Dave Smith debate

[@dheapsable]

Excellent conversation! All three of you, just excellent. Much appreciated. 🙏

[@SpacemanTLW]

Doesn't seem like a debate but I appreciated the conversation! Great video

[@chichora123]

Filled with the customary Trump Derangement Syndrome

[@tonynav1082]

@@chichora123 true, trump supporters are indeed deranged beyond belief

[@kittenclawsguitarvideos6147]

One of the best interviews I have heard so far. Sam is right about twitter. It is like a negative black hole of hostility. I learned a lot from these speakers. It gave me hope about the future.

[@frankmossa6445]

Excellent sit-down Tom. Having shows with guests such as these gentlemen precisely separates you from Rogan. Consistently.

[@tomdivittis2688]

Except that Rogan had Sam on years ago.........more than once, I believe.

[@MisterMonsterMan]

@@tomdivittis2688 Kisin has been on Rogan multiple times as well.

[@BrianCheng24]

Sam Harris was how I discovered Joe Rogan in 2016

[@darrenlongley8491]

That very interesting. It's almost like you have never listened to Rogan's show.

[@CantonBn]

@FRank, you seem not to know that Rogan has had them both. Harris many times. You should ask yourself why you yourself are spreading mis/disinformation against Rogan who you have made false claims against.

[@LowEnder49]

Two of my favorite thinkers. Good discussion.

[@not0468]

Sam’s point around 21:30 is so very true. Decent people. People of real Integrity are held to the utmost highest standard. Then some how, by way of deceit and corruption, the lying, sloppy ego maniac is the real hero and held to nil standards.

[@ManHobbyChannel]

And the irony of himself, not appreciating or understandign the character development other people go through is magnificent. He is literally sitting there criticising Tucker Carlson while every single word he says is about himself and his own inability to accept a dynamic and changing world. It's like watching Sam address his shadow self while being completely consciously unaware.

[@DMilbury]

@@ManHobbyChannelExactly!

[@rustyosgood5667]

Sam won't debate RFK for the same reason he won't debate Bret Weinstein. People who aren't willing to engage but are bent on Gish Galloping and making a frustrating discussion all the while gaining a platform that neither deserve.

[@HarryPainter]

How much does Sam pay you for your services

[@rustyosgood5667]

@@HarryPainter Yup...another nasty comment from yet another weak as fk, no name troll....

[@beantacos1843]

1st "gish galloping"? 2nd, bret weinstein is a fool.

[@rustyosgood5667]

Quick G search....works every time...Bret is a "fool" for selling out. Likely smarter than average which is why it's a shame he sold out. Ah well...

[@RO-uz4oi]

@@rustyosgood5667 How did he sell out?

[@fterthoughts]

This is what I got from this discussion. Through truth, we counter chaos. Rationality, reason, and logic were in full display throughout the entirety of this video. Thank you, gentlemen, for the display of integrity and authenticity.

[@adifferentlight5530]

Through truth we encounter chaos. What if the truth is chaotic?

[@fterthoughts]

@adifferentlight5530 I'm not sure if truth can be chaotic. Well, it is true that there is chaos, but it is not true that truth can be chaotic. Truth can bring about chaos if you leave it in chaos. However, if you consistently seek truth, then it's only a matter of time before all is revealed.......... I guess that would be mostly in the objective world.

[@Cagstok]

A lot of comments focusing on "egos". I'm here for the content; the content was excellent.

[@batswbennett]

The fact that this dude is selling gold as one of his sponsors tells me a lot about his audience.

[@ADRIFTHIPHOP]

magic beans anyone?? the entire financial system is collapsing and people think a few gold coins are going to save them from the negative consequences that follow

[@andrewglover9874]

When society collapses it'll be lead, not gold, that people will be interested in.

[@jackandrews7821]

​@ADRIFTHIPHOP gold is just one of many commodities. When one system falls another will take its place, the only thing that won't port over value to the new system is the fiat currency of the old system. Gold, iron, copper, silver, wheat, real estate. Store the value in whatever you want, some retain value better than others but few are worse than holding your digital dollars in a bank account. Gold and silver isn't snake oil.

[@LudvigIndestrucable]

More ironic is him advertising 'butcher box' as a body building aid. Harris is a better advert for bodybuilding than Bilyeu

[@jordanbeaudoin8425]

It's tough to read some of these thoughtless comments. I catch some Impact Theory, but man, I'm happy to see the world through a different lens than some of these folks. Tom appreciates nuance, but it doesn't seem to transfer to his audience, unfortunately.

[@technokicksyourass]

The audience came expecting drama, and instead heard a civil conversation among moderates.

[@jayl271322]

My thinking exactly. The irony of this being a conversation about the value of pursuing truth and an accurate view of the map is astonishing.

[@dpayO2]

I swear most of these are bots. There's no way it's real people saying this stuff.

[@whatisit9035]

How is this a debate if the monitor keeps interjecting his opinions?

[@hollywooda111]

He loves the sound of his own voice, unlike anyone else.

[@thommelito1673]

He talks a lot and says absolutely nothing

[@Ayyy_its_Wally]

Tom is insufferable. He has two fascinating guests and can’t help but try to inject himself into it. It’s pure ego and a lack of self awareness.

[@PaperGrape]

Well, I get you, but also because it it's a debate on his podcast, with him as mediator, not at a university. It's perfectly reasonable to expect.

[@matthewparlato5626]

Never vibes with the dude...a try hard ? Or soemthing?

[@justinludeman8424]

Excellent content here, and well guided by yourself, Tom. New subscriber. 😊

[@willdon.1279]

Huge admirer of Sam Harris; don't always agree, but his logic is impeachable. A unique idealistic realist, and a formidable intelligence who cares.

[@No_OneV]

What a pleasant surprise episode, ty !

[@shanecarlson7488]

Tom and Konstantin really won't let go about about Sam and his guests. He made his position clear and Konstantin made the same point about five times.

[@walterlippmann6292]

Which J is right?? I can't decide!! Are these really our options...

[@EarnestinaFairchild]

I would love to see Sam Harris and/or Douglas Murray take on Norman Finkelstein. I was quite disappointed with Konstantin Kisin’s and Francis Foster’s interview. They barely challenged Finkelstein. It looked like a missed opportunity to denounce his endless fabulations.

[@danielgreen1124]

It could be interesting, but everyone already knows exactly what lies and distortions he'll peddle, so what's the point? It's about as useful as debating a flat earther.

[@michaelmi7903]

I believe Murray said he won't debate him because he considers him a psychopath or sociopath.

[@Lou-mr7kf]

Finkelstein is a fraud who feeds his fans propaganda. Unbearable to listen to. Sad that people actually take him seriously, but that's what propaganda is for, it controls the intellectually lazy.

[@th3blackthorn804]

Imagine if they used the algorithm to make people happier.

[@JeanBod1111]

can't get rich that way

[@realdeal139]

Sam is the best!

[@cristinalacoste2062]

Two of my favorite people and another great conversation.

[@jintoo7489]

The Gaza situation is not quite as cut and dried as Mr Harris puts it. You don't have to be under the influence of your emotions to realize that enough is enough now.

[@Mohnfisch]

Sam and Konstantin are amongst the most reasonable and valuable youtube-intellectuals out there. keep up the good work!

[@beedebawng2556]

You're obviously not that intelligent.

[@geoffbratton5046]

Opportunity lost to coin the term Youtullectuals.

[@peacemyk7240]

intellectuals??

[@Mohnfisch]

@@peacemyk7240 yes. why not?

[@RaineriHakkarainen]

Stupid crazy Russian Kisin blame poor countries polluting like India! India have 30 times less cars computers air planes than western world! Western world made their wealth with oil goal natural gas! Kisin is an awful war monger! Russia their milatary budjet 72 billion dollars! USA military budjet is 900 billion dollars! Kisin blame all the problems gays and Ilegal aliens and all minor groups! Our finnish parlament voted 99-94 for favor legal gay marriage! USA supreme court rule gay marriage! Tyranny of 9 people supreme court is wrong! Kisin is awful war monger because Kisin fears fair competition China 106IQ gonna Beat western world 100 IQ nations! Russia their milatary budjet 72 billion dollars! It USA have 900 billion dollars military budjet! Western world have supported Ukraine 150 billion dollars military help! Russia was founded in Kiev Ukraine! Crimea was part of Russia in 1954! Khruchev ilegally moved Crimea part of Ukraine in 1954! Great Britain attacked against Crimea already in 1853! Kisin wants to lowering low wages! Division one football attendance was only 20000 in 1980s in England! Football hooligans ruled Britain! Kisin would blame woke people! How about Northern Ireland or Cyprus or Falkland or Diego Garcia! Great Britain and Turkey do not give Cyprus or Northern Ireland or Falkland or Diego Garcia back! Kisin blame Russia is More bad than Great Britain!

[@deltamike2154]

This is the most “talking without saying anything” I’ve seen in a long time.

[@ADRIFTHIPHOP]

you must be new to the internet

[@SebastianLarsen]

It requires a bit of knowledge and context to grasp. How old are you?

[@glenmerwyn5195]

Yup, I agree. Serious, serious "fence sitting". Like a glitch in the Matrix revealed something beneath.

[@willdon.1279]

A bit like "hearing without listening" yes? 😂

[@stranger2Utube]

Thank you for this Tom ❤

[@johnnyboyvan]

This isn't a debate. A typical conversation. No border, no country.

[@rustyosgood5667]

Did you watch the same video I did? Tom and Konstantin clearly meant to have Sam debate RFK and Bret...to no avail. Their reasoning was somewhat sound but lacked merit. Meaningful debate begins with an earnest willingness to change one's mind. This is called, "intellectual integrity". That some people will be persuaded to Sam's point of view was the earnest objective but Sam will write you off his list if you are intellectually dishonest. Sam's fan base knows this about Sam and demands it. As Sam has said more than once, "the next sentence out of your mouth could change my mind". He actually means this.

[@beedebawng2556]

@rustyosgood5667 You're a very poor judge of authenticity.

[@rustyosgood5667]

@@beedebawng2556 Apparently so are all the modern intellectuals, DARPA and every AI CEO...and Konstantin. Aren't you rich...no name, no picture? LOL

[@rustyosgood5667]

@@beedebawng2556 Says the troll bot....

[@allsystems321go]

I like Konstantins slight reaction to having Sam interrupt him after interrupting Sam a few minutes before and then almost immediately after. Also the hosts backwards hat🧢 lol very funny👍

[@realMaverickBuckley]

Would it have been less funny if the peak of his hat was forwards?

[@matthewparlato5626]

​@@realMaverickBuckley...uhhhh YES whew

[@sailonsailon]

Maybe a cliche example but, Noam Chomsky has maintained a very well documented critical view of the state of Israel, as well as the history of its establishment and expansion. He has long condemned the treatment and status of the Palestinian people by the Israeli government and, more recently, the Netanyahu administration. I cant imagine that either guest would consider Chomsky a person lacking in critical thinking skills.. I wonder how each guest might approach Chomsky's perspective, and whether Harris in particular would consider platforming Chomsky and his views to be journalistically irresponsible.

[@AndyJeffs]

And he replied to my undergraduate email when I was researching the issue! The man is a titan whether you agree or disagree!

[@sailonsailon]

@rde7202 If I'm understanding correctly... The assertion is that: Chomsky's analysis of the present conflict can be dismissed because of the consistency of Chomsky's anti-imperialist critique? While his commitment to anti-imperialism may not make him a Realist of international relations, it certainly doesn't undermine his intellectual integrity. Certainly not as much as precipitously disregarding his perspective would.

[@johannsalzstreuer5006]

chomsky isnt understansing islam ideology and was totally loosing it in the covid mass psychosis

[@neethology]

Pr Chomsky is a real intellectual, you will never see him talk to / about these clowns.

[@TheFabulousSnowflake]

During COVID Chomsky was a complete failure and the worst of the worst of establishment tool advocating for restrictions on personal freedom ,forced vaccinations ,criminalization of law abiding citizens and of endless lockdowns ..he’s a tyrannical hack and an anti intellectual if there was one .

[@cindygranger4712]

Tom! Thank you for always coming back to your Northstar! I hundred percent agree with Konstantin!!! we need to circle back to how this country was founded and the values and the bloodshed and the honor and the faith and the hope that it was established on! Sam, you shouldn't fear anybody on your podcast if what you believe in is true to you! stand up for what you believe in! The one thing that separates us all is our own perception based on our experiences! We can't change that! But we can be the change we wish the world should be! Thank you!❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@amethystrose8769]

Sam missed a point with the Trump/Rogan thing. He doesn't want Trump to have a platform for his own reasons. However if Joe Rogan wanted to have Trump on he could just as easily have the opposition to Trump the next episode thereby levelling the "campaign commercial" scales. But he doesn't suggest that. Sam tries to sound so reasonable and fact based, but he has his own opinions that colour everything just like every other human on the planet.

[@URProductions]

That's why I like Theo Von. He interviewed Trump, Bernie Sanders, and an ordinary plumber all in one week.

[@iknowmyself3643]

Sam missed a lot of things. He is a shill in my view

[@beedebawng2556]

Sam Harris is one of the most despicable, bigoted Zionist apologists out there. You should watch his speech justifying the Iraq war. He's an Israeli PR person pretending to be an objective intellectual.

[@carefulconsumer8682]

@@iknowmyself3643 Does Sam also work for Big Pharma? He seems to.

[@danddr7184]

A few-steps down from the surface Mr. Harris knows he is opinionated... he knows atheism is a "religious" choice and worldview (e.g. anti-religion religious-approach to life)... he SIMPLY prioritizes pursuing Ideal of truth-seeking-approaches as a paradigm for reasoning. If he used this methodology from within a flexible-perspective of religion, his perception of religion would change. He would simply call it a "bet/gamble" and investment of faith via intuitional reasoning. His focal concerns are... on "blind beliefs" that ignore reason etc. and refute refinements.

[@karlschuch5684]

Sam points to CNN and Jake Tapper as purveyors of truth... I am speechless

[@muha990]

What did you expect from a 'secular' extreme zionist?

[@MrCasi0clay]

Why? on the specific point he mentioned Tapper and CNN they were absolutely correct.

[@andybaldman]

Who are your purveyors of truth?

[@skygreen5939]

Konstantin, Tom: thanks so much for pressing Sam on the RFK request. It would be really helpful for him to roll up his sleeves and sort things out with RFK, but even seeing Sam's response to being pressed on the issue is somewhat informative (if a bit disappointing). Huge thank you to all three of you for your contributions to sensemaking.

[@wildbear2472]

Whether one agrees with him or not, Sam's stance has sound reasoning, essentially applying the logic of the saying "Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience." RFK is no fool, but the underlying point is some people like RFK will look at a body of evidence (take flat earth for example) and argue to no end an irrational conclusion on the evidence. So if you're in a position like Sam, in which you are deciding between a meaningful discussion on one hand, and arguing with a flat earther on the other, then opting for the former is understandable. I think Konst and Tom made a good appeal for Sam to consider bringing some of these RFK figures on to show a wider audience where some of their ideas are flawed. I tend to lean in their direction, but we would all have different standards for who we would invite on. For example, if I were a huge podcaster, I would never invite Alex Jones on because how he lied was so abhorrent.

[@darylgholson1754]

Before I begin to watch this episode, I want more debates TOM PLEASE 😂❤

[@Adam-xg4wv]

Great and very intelligent discussion!

[@doctorg.k.spoderminsr.2588]

worst parts of this are when the host talks lol

[@vipnetworker]

While I agree with Sam on a variety of topics, his blanket praise and approval of the IDF and every atrocity they commit is genuinely shocking for someone who claims to be so independent of thought.

[@mose192]

Love Sam

[@andrewcarter4696]

Great debating! However, I wholly disagree with Tom and Konstantin on who should be interviewed. What if the leaders of Hamas contacted you daily for an interview? Do you really believe someone should be giving them a platform simply so all ideas are heard? I think not. Do either Tom or Konstantin have children? What a privileged life you must lead to believe that perpetuating ideas simply because they’re gaining popularity is a smart journalistic approach in today’s world. Ideas have the power to possess others….don’t give them massive platforms lightly. Also, engaging in that under the presumption that your audience will be wise enough to discern truth, in real time, or for that matter, believing you are wise enough to always do that 100% of the time is highly arrogant and utterly impossible. I do agree, it can be powerful to debunk ideas using these platforms, but I think, and what Sam is saying, is that should be done VERY specifically, and by the utmost qualified people to do so. Anyhow, thank you for a great podcast.

[@glenmerwyn5195]

I don't agree with you, but you said what you said very well. Almost had me convinced. The comments, overall, for this talk, are highly intellectual. Reflects an interesting audience.

[@justaname109]

I actually had a first hand experience with the cognitive bias/uneducated position in discussion recently with my cousin. She’s in her mid 30s, definitely on the left and extremely sympathetic to the idea of systemic racism in policing. When I asked her of examples of unarmed black men being killed by police, I was definitely a bit shocked because she said she had a ton of examples. As we went through each example, I remained silent, she had about 9 examples. At the end I informed her that she hadn’t shown me one single example. When I explained to her she had shown me examples of black men that had been killed by police, but were in fact armed. I come to find out, she didn’t know what the word “armed” meant…I kindly let her know this was meme level ignorance on her part

[@rustyosgood5667]

"Armed"...clearly means that they had arms...with hands and everything.

[@Crack0639]

Can’t say the same about Hezbollah am i rite

[@bandaloop3759]

I mean to be fair there is plenty of examples of unarmed black and white men etc being killed by police. Just because she's a moron doesn't negate that

[@alixhoward592]

❤KONSTANTIN❤

[@jlrs-t7v]

Outstanding stuff!

[@Dmactyjc133]

Konstantin - "People can't process information correctly, they only react and emote" also Konstantin - "It's okay to feature Norman Finkelstein unchallenged on my platform because people can see the truth from the lies on their own"

[@leahben-israel2380]

On the surface contradictory, but also taken out of context. There are, after all, different types of people.

[@leemontoya1972]

Why can't we just debate how a civil society can define right, relative to wrong, and proceed with how that society can establish guidelines under which those pursuing good are rewarded while, simultaneously, those pursuing what is deemed to be wrong, are punished to the full extent of the law?

[@Super8888Baby]

Because power corrupts and the winners write the rules and the history books. Incurious people want easy answers. Civility is wonderful, but not if it as the cost of freedom. It’s complicated.

[@matthewparlato5626]

Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. The most important story on the earth

[@Lou-mr7kf]

You are asking for equality before the law. That is NOT what the Islamo-Marxists want. They want special privileges, protections and entitlements. They do not tolerate opposition and have ways of silencing, censoring and criminilising wrong thought.

[@aimeekeel]

41:12 I would push back against the black parents “have to have a talk with your kids”. I am white and my parents are from a military background, I was told from a young age and reiterated as I got older, that if police pull you over, you act as respectful as possible, comply completely even if you think it’s an error, because they have a very hard job with a lot of stress and their choices are based on split second choices that could mean they live or die. I was also taught that if you act like a criminal and dress like a criminal you will likely be treated like a criminal, because a police officer has to make choices for their safety based on impressions and patterns. That is reality.

[@JohnnyArtPavlou]

Right. Don’t put on that Black skin when you go out of the house? Is that what you’re saying? What does a white collar criminal dress like? A presidential candidate?

[@LaoZi2023]

What was wrong with what Sam said? Black parents need to talk with their children just as white parents need to do. What I'm hearing, by reading between the lines is that possibly black parents have not been siding with the law as they may be coming from an anti-establishmentarian point of view.

[@loppan4534]

Fantastic conversation 🎉

[@prolibertate5959]

Without truth there is no reality.

[@NicBur-td8jl]

So what do we do?

[@BouncySlim1]

​@@NicBur-td8jl Define Truth! sam can twist, turn, flip, sault and do verbal gymnastics -- yet he doesn't know what truth is. Without truth, he is just the same as RFK from a different perspective/world view. He feels he's right on every topic he speaks on, and anyone that disagree with him are conspiracy theorists, spreaders of disinformation, etc. Two sides of the same coin.

[@andybaldman]

And there is no reality.

[@TravisMacMillan]

Sam is okay with using lawfare and avoiding political interference as long as it’s for his side. That’s pretty clear now.

[@berenfinesmith]

The rational side?

[@ThomasAndersonPhD]

"being interested in what's ultimately true is the way that we can overcome out inclination to believe things that charismatic people tell us" Konstantin's answer for why truth is important is great!

[@CantonBn]

I really cracked up at Harris saying if he said anything that tuned out to be untrue he would "lose 100% of my audience." In fact he has made objectively incorrect statements on several occasions

[@paul_bellini]

@@CantonBn and later admitted that he didn't care because reasons

[@fortunadora443]

Good discussion. Thank you!

[@josephtaylor7151]

I think there's an underexplored area of whether or not people support Hamas or more specifically Palestine or whether they're against Israel. I think there's an area in which people look at Israel as the more capable nation of the two and expect them to de-escalate because they're essentially the bigger guy. At least in terms of firepower. I disagree with Israel 's use of force against Palestinians in the pursuit Hamas. But simply because they have the power to defend themselves and de-escalate a situation.

[@TwiztedHumor]

Do you have any idea what you are talking about? De-escalation is how oct-7 happened in the first place. Do you realize that?

[@marcusbrsp]

Get informed about matters before you embarrass yourself. Israel is surrounded by nations that truly hate them. Do you really think a death cult like Hamas would've lasted this long without help from other countries? Iran being one of them.

[@BabySkinCondom]

You disagree with their use of force against Palestinians- but they don't have a choice when hamas uses them as human shields to artificially inflate the civilian death count- and the Palestinians are largely *willing* to be their human shields.

[@hanskrause8315]

Say what you want about Israel's current Gaza campaign, no palestinians have invaded Israel and murdered civilians since it started.

[@BabySkinCondom]

@@hanskrause8315 no, they just cheered and danced from the sidelines. they're getting everything they deserve.

[@Michael-yu9ix]

Sam's characterization of the trump phenomenon, as in essence a form of entertainment is absurd. People are happy to accept that he lies since the alternative choice (Biden) is perceived as being that much worse.

[@bavarian11]

The least corrupt institution we’ve had???

[@jamesjarvis530]

@@Methbillybased

[@theqaz1828]

Department of cute kitty cats is pretty clean

[@redross559]

I thought this was a ridiculous statement also.

[@allsystems321go]

As opposed to every other time prior to now in u.s. history, almost certainly. Like saying "the most technologically advanced we've ever been." It doesn't mean it can't get better/less corrupt but that the past was worse/more corrupt.

[@RBurns80]

@@allsystems321go We know what it means, but it isn't true, and no one believes it.

[@pragmatic-e2z]

I don't have social media (yes I watch YT) and I'm happy as Larry!

[@davenewton7999]

It is bizarre to me that if Tapper and RFK have different versions of the same event Harris would conclude that RFK is the liar.

[@stfon5]

If Sam thinks he has the truth he should not be afraid to debate it ongoing.

[@majorkuntz]

If you can’t easily discern that RFK is a radish short of a salad, then I put it to you that your ability to filter bs and judge character is TOTALLY off…

[@morpheusxnyc]

The fact that it would be bizarre to you speaks volumes about your discernment, knowledge base and credulity.

[@davenewton7999]

@@morpheusxnyc So you're thinking Jake Tapper is the believable one. CNN is owned by the elite and consistently carries water for the elite. They really don't even pretend to be objective anymore, as Dana Bash's butt-kissing interview of Harris demonstrated. Even Colbert's lefty audience laughed when he said CNN was an objective news organization. RFK has been fighting the elite over environmental issues and children's health for years. But I'm sure you think he's crazy because - oh yeah, - the MSM told you he was. I suggest actually listening to him speak for 30 minutes and let me know what he says that's crazy. Or you can just follow along with the rest of the sheep, secure in your superior powers of discernment..

[@davenewton7999]

@@morpheusxnyc So you're thinking Jake Tapper is the believable one. CNN is owned by the elite and consistently carries water for the elite. They really don't even pretend to be objective anymore, as Dana Bash's a-kissing interview of Harris demonstrated. Even Colbert's lefty audience laughed when he said CNN was an objective news organization. RFK has been fighting the elite over environmental issues and children's health for years. But I'm sure you think he's crazy because - oh yeah, - the MSM told you he was. I suggest actually listening to him speak for 30 minutes and let me know what he says that's crazy. Or you can just follow along with the rest of the sheep, secure in your superior powers of discernment.

[@johnblack7862]

53:01 "Contrite" doesn't mean what he thinks it means.

[@Dimera09]

This guy completely kills the flow of the chat whenever he speaks

[@Richard_Stroker]

He probably thinks it's a super-mega-ultra-powered version of "trite"

[@stephenphillips3883]

Honestly the ego of an average mind stretching for superiority... Does this sort of comment make you feel superior or something? He misspoke, his mouth said contrite when he very clearly meant to say contrived. I can't say I particularly enjoy his show and I only listen if there's a compelling guest but this is so pathetic and there's so many nonsense comments like this here. Grow up and find some humility and good grace or you're just wasting your time listening to anything of substance.

[@johnblack7862]

@@stephenphillips3883 How did you arrive at this judgement about my mind, that it is "average?" Is it because of my reference to "The Princess Bride?" (Inigo says, "You keep on using that word; I do not think it means what you think it means.") Perhaps you're endowed with the telepathic ability to discern IQ from an 8 word sentence online? I'm impressed no matter what your answer is. (Impressed at your temerity as well as your arrogance.) And, for the record, I thought he was intending to say "trite" in place of "contrite" since your suggestion of "contrived" is a past participle adjectival form whereas "trite" is a simple adjective which feels closer, but perhaps you are right. My mind is too average for me to ever know for certain.

[@Dimera09]

@@johnblack7862 lol

[@victorbinkys4154]

Speaking about corruption. It is not how much they corrupt. If you corrupt, you corrupt. It is how much we ,the public, let them go away with it. Nowadays, in general, the public is clueless and oblivious about events around the world and inside the country. Divided, religiously support their leaders and agendas. It conditions perfect soil for corruption to grow without much resistance.

[@laurettarivers8054]

I agree, it amazes me how many people support the very system that wants to control them and take away their freedoms

[@MsNikeNike]

The degree of corruption is definitely important

[@victorbinkys4154]

@MrNikeNicke yes, but thief is a thief. If you let him, he will steal everything. Same with politicians, they all corrupt. If we let them, they will steal everything. With public being oblivious and ignorant, basically that is what happens nowadays. They do what they want and getting away.

[@claudeelbaz8673]

THANK YOU

[@bryanharting9131]

Sam Harris over rates his objectivity, and rationality.

[@mitchelnext1]

yes

[@carefulconsumer8682]

I guess he likes Kamela more.

[@brianbergquist4742]

Sam doesn't bother to mention how much he got wrong during Covid. We're suppose to be what he says now. It's everyone else like Tucker who are the problem.

[@DaveRossignol]

Doesn’t everyone? He has an opinion but it’s usually rooted in science and objective rationale. What else is there? Religion or beliefs. They wouldn’t be “beliefs” if they could be proven in scientific terms - they’d be “facts or axioms”. Nobody “believes” 2+2=4. They “know” 2+2=4 because anyone can demonstrate it.

[@LWT1331]

Give us an example where he over rates his" objectivity" and/or "rationality"?

[@paulmoulton7248]

Regarding the laptop, it was in the hands of the FBI in 2019.

[@woyciechow-ska]

Interesting talk and great interviewees.

[@ethanhackett1456]

I really appreciate the conversation, I like the pushback between Sam and Konsnatin. It's definitely worth a listen. The major hangup I had in the discussion was how confident and definitive Sam is when passing judgment on RFK's vaccine stance. He simultaneously admits in order to debate him he would have to do extensive research while also being so sure that RFK's wrong he won't have him in for a discussion. This is a large red flag on a some personal bias for Sam. Early in the episode, they discuss the ability to hijack the scientific community by hiring doctors such as in the case of big tobacco. This is precisely why it took so long to overturn the previous scientific consensus that smoking was not just ok but healthy for people. So in one breath, he admits that science and consensus can be highjacked but also admits this topic isn't. This is the kind of intellectual insolation we all suffer from in some areas. "If I know all about topic X, I will not engage with individuals who believe the opposite because they don't offer me anything of value only negatives." This reveals a type of tribalism Sam finds detestable in other groups. If Sam was half as curious as he is confident in his stance perhaps a long-form discussion with RFK would reveal something of value to Sam even if his entire position doesn't change.

[@ngrovotny]

Junior's lawyer Aaron Siri has filed a petition with the FDA to revoke approval of the polio vaccine. Bringing polio back into fashion in the USA is not going to benefit anyone.

[@dirkbertels3872]

Wow - what a contrast - this great conversation against the cesspit of many of these comments. First time I hear Konstantin Kissin speak, I was particular impressed by his views on protecting democracy and capitalism around the 1:40 mark.

[@alanweiss3578]

I just want to say 2 things. listening to sam Harris 10-15 years ago really opened my eyes and mind to the potential of honesty and how arguing with humility and compassion can be moving and powerful. the second thing is this.. in the past 5 years, Sam has taught me a more important lesson, if you are a very compassionate person and an intellectual, its very easy to become the thing you would have once been disgusted by. I'll always have massive amounts of respect for Sam, but his ability to dismiss people for reasons that are at best half baked is really unfortunate.

[@downtownjb100]

You lost the plot

[@freemanjoel]

Which people is he dismissing with a half-baked ideas?

[@alanweiss3578]

@@freemanjoel how about anyone who differs in thought. the problem is when you go through life having only 2 types of people talking to you, either agreeing with you 100% or 0% you become callous and jaded. and you pick a team. there is zero room for nuance or empathy and you become a robot.

[@berenfinesmith]

@@alanweiss3578 Didn't he specifically mention not platforming people who are unwilling to examine their pre-suppositions with honesty ? How is this 'anyone one who differs in thought'?

[@Jeff-nine41149]

Wow. Keep doing you, Tom

[@ranjeet9868]

These two were either trying to convince Sam or shun him down. Great job on Sam’s part for being adamant to what he stands for.

[@bradylynch874]

Sam lost any credibility years ago. He refuses to acknowledge this and acknowledge there are other intelligent people out there. instead he says that he’s too smart to argue with others but instead will make a video to snipe then. I used to like him before he started trying to actually debate people with any sense and has made a fool of himself time and time again.

[@batswbennett]

@@bradylynch874 good for you.

[@LWT1331]

@@bradylynch874 Bla bla la. He's too high level for you. You're a modern day peasant.

[@futureboy7653]

"You can think in perfect straight lines. I think in fractals." Sometimes Tom really says the silliest things.

[@Beesmakelifegoo]

Sam Harris is making an impact. He is a truth speaking person. I am very convinced that his perspective on what is happening is very informative. I admire him and respect his integrity.

[@vlndfee6481]

Joe rogan... did fact check Alex Jones....many things wrte in time proven right. And which human has all things right. Sam Harris tries to use logic and good thinking. But doesnt do in depth study. There is stuff out there experts have explained... he never heard off. Like doctors still finding new information on covit vaccines.... etc. No one is talking about.

[@cecilcharlesofficial]

ok Sam

[@Andrina-fl9ef]

Love that Sam.does not pander to a specific audience like most podcasters or media outlets.

[@jamesbarnardo7496]

Excruciating to hear sam bend over backwards to defend Israel's killing of civilians "well what's the context"; if you're going to be a moral relativist you might extend that same grace to the palestinian struggle for territorial integrity. What's the context of the palestinian resistance to the Israeli regime? Are there any consequences to an occupation of one state of another? Did it all start on October 7th or perhaps was there a little bit of context beforehand? Mindless, squalid angle

[@FinanceFree-ii5un]

What’s crazy is that someone who discusses peaks and valleys on a “moral landscape” can also speak of context in this issue. It’s the reason I went from seeing him as a hero to a zero.

[@daninbar3446]

It's "Excruciating " knowing that people who seem intelligent don't get that civilians die in war, and of course they die while being used as human shields. The context of the "resistance" is that if Hamas disarmed and signed any deals Gaza would be in great shape. of course they wont though, because their goal is the genocide of all Jews in Israel. There's no territorial claim to Gaza by Israel, so they don't "resist" the "occupation", they want more.

[@nicholaslaport3354]

is collateral damage context? If so, then there is no moral equivalence between Hamas and the IDF

[@RolloThomas-HowiRollo]

sam is a slimy pseudo intellectual.

[@curiositycloset2359]

Is that "we" in the sense of being of a very small tribe we?

[@notloki3377]

maybe one of 12

[@mikewhelan9561]

I personally have totally forgot that Sam said it was okay to lie about Trump.

[@rosaluztinoco1504]

Excellent !!

[@ParkerGuy89]

Man. Sam Harris referring to others as hypocrites, and being intellectually inconsistent is rich.

[@mark4asp]

Sam's not as bad as some people. I'm with Sam about 80%+. But there are one or 2 crucial issues he's pushed but has not personally researched - so he got wrong. Probably because he took his advice from clever debaters. Lots of philosophers are wrong for that same reason. Philosophers are brilliant at decieving themselves.

[@abstractdaddy1384]

I see people say stuff like this about Sam all the time but never give examples.

[@SaltAndVinegarFlavour]

​@@mark4asp *People* are good at deceiving themselves. You included.

[@jeremyoz2137]

@@SaltAndVinegarFlavourI mean, most people seem to struggle with basic introspection and being aware of the various cognitive biases that every human being experiences. There is an irony in Konstantin pushing Sam to debate conspiracy theorists when it takes an order of magnitude more effort to debunk bullshit than to spew it. Konstantin exemplifies everything wrong with the podcast world: Being on any guest you want. Make no effort to properly research literally anything. Rely on personal anecdotes to justify wide-ranging conclusions. Then try and push someone else to do the work he refuses to while giving air to looneys and making the problem worse.

[@lizolohangmail]

Nothing he has not been able to say to their faces...

[@christophermarcone5504]

the fact that they lie is not the most offensive thing ; because lying leads to the truth ..It is that they lie, and then they worship their own lies . You see ?

[@sugelanren]

I wonder how Sam would have felt, if the laptop belonged to Don Jnr?

[@killerbern666]

we all know the answer, TDS has got him hard

[@christinaxxx7965]

@@killerbern666 lol

[@Tempnamious]

Good definiton of truth! I say: "Truth is information that improves the predictive capability of your model of reality." "Flasehoods are information the decrease the predictive capability of your model of reality."

[@osu7356]

every time i hear sam harris speak i'm amazed at how quickly he can manage to mention "trump bad" regardless of the subject being discussed.

[@christinaxxx7965]

bad TDS

[@gussetma1945]

You want pathological compassion out? Take the vote from women.

[@mark4asp]

That was so un-PC but so, so, true.

[@SueThomason1]

😂😂😂

[@youziyi]

Like Sam Harris hasn't been caught lying. 2014 he was all "Mr. Conversation", "Society is a series of successful conversations", "Conversation is all we have." Years later he starts defending leftist censorship so long as it came from corporations, under the guise of "just start your own company" (and opposing Elon when he buys the company), "we can't risk talking about dangerous ideas right now", "sunlight is not the best disinfectant". As a fan of Sam for over a decade and a buyer of all of his books, listener to all of his podcasts and appearances, he ABSOLUTELY has been more dishonest and shifty ever since Trump.

[@beedebawng2556]

You failed yourself being a fan of this Zionist puppet.

[@colinmarshall4778]

You've seen that too?... I found it very disappointing... He's not the same as the four horseman days for sure... 🤔

[@KevinSolway]

@@colinmarshall4778 I'll bet he was exactly the same back then, but he hid it. He was presenting a false front.

[@colinmarshall4778]

@@KevinSolway Yeah quite possibly...I notice Richard Dawkins has been quiet about what Harris has been saying. Dawkins is totally against the trans bullshit that Harris has been pushing.

[@LWT1331]

As most of the anti-sam crowd you trivialize everything that he has said out of context and strawman your way out with a juvenile black and white mentality.

[@leahben-israel2380]

I can only repeat: no system is ever better than the people who implement it. If we want better institutions, let's work on bettering ourselves.

[@robyncohen8542]

Would Sam talk to the truly great scientists who stood tall during covid..dr Batacharya, Dr Kuldorff, Dr Atlas, Dr Ionnedis, Nick Hudson, Mike Yeadon, Dr Gold, Dr Marik, Dr Weinstein?

[@Kastled5]

I've wondered the same thing.

[@gb2115]

It’s never been about individual scientists. It’s always been about broad scientific consensus

[@babycakes8514]

This is a conversation and not a debate - they both agree in the same points. Where they differ is execution. Sam prefers to critically analyse, Konstantin prefers combative arguments. I must say, Konstantin needs to understand that some personality types are unable and unwilling to have combative arguments with idiots. Sam has a calm explanatory type of logic that will simply not work against the Alex Joneses of the world. They would mock insult and yell, backed by their equally obnoxious and vociferous audiences. I can see why Sam wouldn't want to get into debates with people like that. Konstantin should learn to be more respectfull of Sam's approach. Rather than accuse him of sitting in a castle critiquing but not changing things, he should understand that by simply sharing his views and helping people think more rationally, he is contributing to the fight towards faulty logic in his way.

[@michaelkhe1757]

Sam have many flaws, he talks as if he is intellect and against the corruption. This intelligent is corrupted and rotten without self realise with major TDS

[@ajs41]

I agree with almost everything Konstantin said in this conversation, and was disappointed with the other two. But I'm British so I prefer Konstantin's indirect approach to the direct approach that Americans usually prefer.

[@Osbourne405]

It is quite a stretch to assume that those protesting against alleged genocidal acts against the average Palestinian must also be in support of Hamas. Is it not possible to support both Palestinians and Jews while opposing bad actors in the form of Hamas and political Zionism? I'm open to being educated.

[@mattlines1296]

How has this channel only just appeared on my recommendations???

[@jakebarnes28]

I'm sure it's a conspiracy.

[@MightySheep]

I like Konstantin but I've yet to figure out why I should listen to a comedian talking about geopolitics and current affairs etc. What are his credentials for talking about anything? Has he even read any books? He just talks with such confidence that it makes you think he's an authority of some sort but he's not actually saying anything.

[@LWT1331]

Yep. Once I caught on to him, I skipped over the parts where he speaks. :)