Harvesting the Chlorate - Na Chlorate Cell Part 2

Hello everyone. Most videos are still down on this channel because i'm currently appealing a strike. But I made this and got sick of waiting with the finished product.

[@Rhodanide]

*Opens freezer* *Freezer contains strange white bag and a Coca-Cola bottle filled one third of the way with what looks to be piss* *Hastily closes freezer*

[@jhyland87]

Probably just saving the piss to sell to people for drug tests. Good hustle.

[@user-oj5yj8tf9e]

@@dylanmcvicker8330 💉♥️👍

[@Kenionatus]

@@user-oj5yj8tf9e Piss to the moon! 💎🙌🚀

[@MadScientist267]

Yellow everywhere

[@CKOD]

At least you totally, intentionally, designed the top of the cell to open up and relieve pressure in case of pressure build up, instead of rupturing violently and spilling the yellow everywhere. definitely could have been worse.

[@AussieChemist]

Man your gf is really supportive!

[@ficolas2]

I like the contents of your fridge. Beer, more beer and sodium chlorate

[@amarissimus29]

Aluminum foil in a bubbling chlorine atmosphere. Anyone who claims they've never done something so stupid is lying. It happens; good on you for owning it.

[@patchvonbraun]

I used to make kg quantities of KCl04 during the winter at my farm. I ran two 3.8L cells at a time using a beefy HP power supply with Pt-wire anodes and stainless cathodes. Started with Na then did displacement with KCl. Used winter weather to do the recrystallization and make a very nicely pure product. Gases vented out the window of the shed. I maintained pH with HCl every couple of days. Still have, 16 years later, much of what I produced.

[@nunyabisnass1141]

Uhhh yeah thats a lot. I just make about 100g at a time, never anymore than i can use immediately usebecause i just dont want it sitting around. With my luck a mouse or something might decide to make a nest in it using paper it dragged over drain cleaner.

[@spiderdude2099]

Extractions and fire: *runs reaction that generates hydrogen in a contraption with ample opportunity to spark* Device: *explodes* Extractions and fire: *surprised pikachu meme*

[@zahariburgess3660]

also the chlorine gas is a strong oxidizer

[@danieljohnson3024]

You can set off a hydrogen chlorine explosion with just UV light. Maybe the sun exploded it.

[@firstmkb]

Speaking as someone who learned this first hand, methane and chlorine will ignite from overhead fluorescent lights in a classroom. Also, it is a GREAT way to get the attention of the entire class.

[@davemwangi05]

@@firstmkb so you're suggesting fart or something?

[@AllChemystery]

The grey is probably from titanium or mixed metal oxide particles anode damage from running the cell on low NaCl. It cleans up alright. Too bad about the anode though. Those things are so useful. Perhaps you could bend a kind of hook for the end and crimp it back on.

[@jhyland87]

Thats what I was thinking.. Just kinda bend it in and out of the gaps on the anode. then secure it somehow... without aluminum foil... lol

[@kmit9191]

Zip tie might work

[@chemistryofquestionablequa6252]

@@kmit9191 zip ties get super brittle and break in that environment. I've tried it.

[@darianballard2074]

Good to see you back .

[@masterlabLAB]

good job! despite the various inconvenient you got to the final result :)

[@ExtractionsAndIre]

masterlab LAB hey MasterLab, it's good to still see you around!

[@reginaldwolfhausen9500]

Glad you are still up for making content. 👍

[@mrfantasticguy6385]

Good luck on your appeal! Hopefully youtube will come to its senses

[@r.foshee1578]

He said "I shit myself a little" lmao

[@bethduxbury6884]

Good too see u posting again I missed u

[@tomasbrod1533]

I stopped trying to make my cell airtight. The chlorine, hot salty alkaline water and heat destroyed all my apptempts to seal it. Instead, it is really important to insulate the electrical connections. Instead I just put a Compact Disc on top and some napkins. When let run without pH control, the cell quickly becomes alkaline and no more gaseous chlorine is produced. In my case the chlorine evolution dropped below nassal treshold in about half an hour.

[@plante1999]

Chlorate optimal voltage production is 3.3 volts, and over 5-6 volts you are passivating the mmo/titatium electrode. They also can't be in​ the solution without current for extended periods of time. The spot weld wire seems problematic, you should get bolted contacts directly on the electrodes. For better results titanium nuts and bolt. Cheaper but still someone decent using stainless. If you really are strapped for cash, you can use steel bolts and nut

[@tomasbrod1533]

And where you can get titanium nut, bolt and washer?

[@oceanhouse8080]

@@tomasbrod1533 just cut across the mesh and bend up to make a long stringer

[@atari7001]

To prevent creep, coat the glass with vaseline

[@skyym3629]

Your girlfreind would be a very scary person to have light fireworks off on New Years eve, lol. Just kidding man. Thanks for the video and valuable lessons we all learned. Thumbs up and God Bless bro.

[@jackmclane1826]

The awesome feature of voltage limiting lab power is that you can limit the voltage! 😅 Awesome, right?

[@aaronmurphy5060]

Not bad, it did work at least. it's a shame that the electrode corroded so easily. I was rough on mine and no problems. Well, except the time I hooked them up backwards... It ate ~1/4 of the bare plate off, lots of fluffy pink flocculent clouding the jar... Cool pattern though. It always bleached my litmus paper, made that difficult. Making a tack on MOT spot welder with 1-1/2 turns on secondary, about a second works pretty good. TIG would be good too, the electrode shaft is actually Ti welding wire off eBay years back. Wish I had bought more when I did, using it for years.

[@tinobassi59]

Loved that close up shot at the end. Is that a new camera?

[@ExtractionsAndIre]

Thanks, that's my phone camera actually, what I filmed the whole video with. The slow motion works well if the subject i'm filming is really bright, so it captures the bright chlorate really well I agree!

[@TheGiselaSchumacher]

Girlfriends and chemistry is always an interesting combination xD Trust me, I also know from experience :P

[@Rhodanide]

Ian McClellan-Johnson And I don't! I'm so very lonely :'( Chemistry is my gf, three quarters of the girls in my school are lesbian. Hard times, these are.

[@electrotoxins]

Rhodanide, that's a lot of lesbians man, where do you live? Also, chemistry doesn't make a very good replacement for human interaction. Try joining a club/sport or, if you hate yourself, you can do drugs.

[@Rhodanide]

electrotoxins Northeast US, and I'm not planning on doing drugs.

[@electrotoxins]

Rhodanide, smart choice. I recommend xc/track from personal experience or join whatever club you want if you're not physically orientated.

[@TheGiselaSchumacher]

Try reaching out on social media. There are likely to be other chemistry lovers near you

[@pietrotettamanti7239]

Ay man, I know I'm 3 years late but tin and lead are fairly resistant to corrosion, you *could* have sodered the electrode back together after all. I mean, it would be far from ideal considering that all of the electrode gets wet from capillary action and evaporation so it would costantly be in contact with oxidizing agents while being under tension, but better than aluminiuminum I guess.

[@memejeff]

Doubt solder would stick to mmo

[@TheRolemodel1337]

8:30 couldnt you've just epoxy coated the Al foil on the anode?

[@Taha-hv6yj]

What about the dichromates? Can you reduce it using sodium thiosulfite?

[@fieroboom]

You could just bend the handle around the top of the mesh & pinch it closed to hold the mesh. Yeah, I know, the video's old, but 🤷‍♂️

[@revolution5547]

probably wouldn't last for long. if any cl gas or liquid gets in the gap it will oxidise the titanium and current flow will stop

[@bababooey7015]

Were you able to get your other channel back???

[@scrp7142]

I am 100% sure that you've got some sodium perchlorate in there with some chlorate contamination, because sodium chlorate wouldn't precicipitate out. If you have an old microwave around or a transformer, you could build your own spotwelder and fix those electrodes (maybe make a video about it...) or you could try and make a Lead dioxide anode, even though it is quite a hard task. look on some threads on APC or sciencemadness. alternatively you could try and harvest some platinum from a car and use that as anode for example or try and make your own mno2 anodes. Or you could buy mmo or LD anodes from here: store.theamateurchemist.com/ but don't try the Pt ones, they are poor quality as i've heard in the past (might be a hoax) also check this site www.chlorates.exrockets.com/chlorate.html

[@tomasbrod1533]

Yes, sodium chlorate would precipitate out. I do not think that with this low current and time, but if you keep topping up your cell with water and fresh salt, then it will eventually start to precipitate. This is also a convinient process to exract sodium chlorate.

[@TheZorkiel]

That bodged connection with the aluminium could've maybe worked if you insulated it properly, why you didn't I don't understand. Would've been easy to get an airtight seal with some resin glue for example. Otherwise great stuff mate

[@ExtractionsAndIre]

Yeah it was a bit shit wasn't it. I suppose I was trying to make it less permanent so if it didn't work I could try something else. Also it's just because i'm busy i'm like rushing everything. It really seems like a rushed decision doesn't it

[@blargcoster]

Your cat must just be used to all the explosions and fire that it doesn't afraid of anything

[@georgwagner4438]

So, how careful do I have to be with chlorates regarding poisoning.. Can I get a significantly big dose just by touching it with my fingers, or do I have to consume that stuff in order to get a harmful/deadly dose?

[@revolution5547]

i don't think you should be that careful. I've been tasting drops of the liquid in my cell and dipping my fingers in it for weeks 😂 i know its stupid but i don't really care+ nothing has happened to me yet💀

[@revolution5547]

@كتائب القسّام Hamass whats so funny🤷

[@DancingRain]

9:43 Me too.

[@satisfaction2431]

loving the fuck you part at the end nice job btw

[@AhmedSabry-cz4kf]

I created a cell of anode (positive) mmo, and cathode (negative) titanium, each of them are 5 cm * 15 cm, in a cell consisting of 2 liters of water added to them 200 grams of sodium chloride and I ran the cell on 5 volts and 20 amperes Within 24 hours, some rust appeared in the solution, and the titanium electrode turned black, taking into account that the temperature was maintained between 60 to 80 degrees. What went wrong? please help me please

[@ExtractionsAndIre]

What was your electrode source? They could be slightly different or even fakes maybe?

[@oceanhouse8080]

This reaction is best carried out at 80c

[@davemwangi05]

why?

[@jaakkooksa5374]

Can't one use anything cheap for the electrodes? Especially the MMO anode seems to be pretty expensive.

[@eskilfloden3177]

Graphite electrodes seem like they might work well enough, and are cheap. Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chloralkali_process#Electrodes

[@Crtwrzl]

Late to the party here but I'll comment anyway. It's a question of how you define expensive. Yes, MMO costs more than a carbon rod for a single run. The whole value proposition changes when you consider how long each type lasts - you can spend a whole lot by eating through the cheaper option and having to keep replacing.

[@diskord42]

Kitty!

[@eewls]

Lil Hindenburg at it again

[@drmarine1771]

mate great effort. But there has to be an easier way to make it ???????

[@mahdabekaessam738]

is this soduim chlorite......?

[@jangisgand6140]

Chlorate forms at about 4-5 volts, but I see you put it at 7 so I think you have perchlorate

[@ExtractionsAndIre]

Interesting. I really should do a melting point test to confirm it is pure chlorate. I doubt I have perchlorate, it can't be that easy....

[@jangisgand6140]

Extractions&Ire I forgot if you have a platinum or a MMO electrode. If you have MMO, watch out with the voltages as high voltages will destroy your anode.

[@billsmathers7787]

A L L R I G H T L L R I G H T but seriously good luck on your appeal! In the future, maybe you could try making bromates with this cell

[@chrismandros3087]

Orange tabby chem channel...oo’s the sheila mite?

[@ajingolk7716]

Since the solution turned bleach just evaporated it gonna turn chlorate😊

[@eddievanhorn5497]

Would this cell work with potassium?

[@accipiternisus649]

Eddie Van Horn yes sure

[@LateNightHacks]

Hey mate, I might be able to fix up your electrode if you send it my way also, can sort you out with a more practical power supply I'm in Sydney btw, did you manage to do much with that mystery iodine solution? left us hanging with that one :P

[@ExtractionsAndIre]

Hey! Oh, you think you can weld it back together?? (Need to get the epoxy off it first too ehhhhh). Oh I did film a video for that but it was very boring but i'll try and get something out of it, you're right I did just pose a mystery and then never post the answer

[@LateNightHacks]

Yeah, especially if I can get access to the TIG welder at school again, that would be the proper way of doing it. if not I can try to spot weld it, won't be as neat but would at least make a decent electrical contact. maybe then I can reinforce it with some epoxy or something, just to keep the load off of the spot weld. removing epoxy is easy :D

[@jonathansinterests2452]

Can you also use Copper Electrotes

[@guythat779]

@@dylanmcvicker8330 for what reason? Just wear?

[@pietrotettamanti7239]

@@guythat779 Cuprous oxide. The anode gets oxidized and gives the electrons to hydrogen, so you end up with a bunch of hydrogen, yellow crap and no anode. He could soder it using tin though.

[@TheOriginalFaxon]

@@pietrotettamanti7239 Wouldn't the tin turn to tin chloride though due to the Hcl buffer? I'd figure you'd get a ton of tin (II) chloride if you did that. Same issue with lead (II) chloride and silver chloride. Welding it back is really the only option, it needs to be titanium on titanium contact for the electrode to work well, the part where it turns to copper has to be on the top of the cell outside it, or it will corrode from hcl vapors alone

[@Gaark]

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[@robertstange2351]

Aydeen

[@darianballard2074]

I think you made perchlorate not chlorate and you needed to dry it better.

[@ExtractionsAndIre]

Can perchlorate really be made this easily?

[@darianballard2074]

Yes by running it for a long time. I run my chlorate cell for 3 days and perchlorate cells fro 6 to 8 days

[@darianballard2074]

It eats stuff like yours did when you start making the perchlorate if you don't keep it cool.

[@joeydubbs763]

@@ExtractionsAndIre Use some stainless wire & wrap your electrode back to it's stem. Drill a small hole through the stem to affix the wiring directly through it for better contact & don't be cheap with the wire, keep it above the water line & you'll be just fine. If it does hit the water it should be ok but limit it as much as possible.

[@peter-vt1me]

you don’t have a single snack in your fridge or freezer

[@asmolbean9300]

Gotta find me a gay gf that'll start chemical fires with me

[@Subway1427]

Your power source sucks. I had a yield of over 500 grams in 8 days, multiple times

[@KAYLEBHD]

How much salt to water did you use and what volt and current?

[@gg-gg-gg-gg]

lmao alfoil

[@ExtractionsAndIre]

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