Has AMD Killed Big RDNA 4 Permanently? | Cut Down Yields

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[@eliotcole]

Haven't watched this as I need to get to work, but I seem to remember a MLID where you said that your AMD contact had said (this is a year or so ago) that RDNA 4 had problems from the outset and that 5 was going to be the big leap forward. ( _either that or it was 3 & 4 ... but I think the former_ )

[@JoseMariArceta]

The editing is great, it makes it easier to follow the chopped up podcast for someone who isn't always in the know

[@benjaminoechsli1941]

Yup. It's also much easier to spread around, because no-one wants a 2-3 hour video to comb through. 😅

[@djmidnightwolf]

UDNA has me wanting to wait and skip RDNA4. My 6950XT is still very viable

[@jlrockafella]

3070ti performance with dlss

[@valentinvas6454]

Same here with a 6900 XT. I won't upgrade until I can get at least an 80% uplift. It's not like I need that much more power at 1440p anyway so I can easily wait a few more years.

[@NadeemAhmed-nv2br]

It'll come after rdna 5

[@Stefanu66]

@@jlrockafella 4070 ti*

[@NadeemAhmed-nv2br]

Also your 6950xt will probably tie the 8800xt

[@gs-pd5ox]

AMD needs to bundle 7800x3d chips and xtx cards to just dump stock.

[@seanpauli9423]

Thats what I thought! Nice to see a xtx with wh40k, but a 7800x3d or some x3d for am4 would let me skip the 5090 and wait for amds answer in 2years!🫵 Amd, take notes!!!

[@benjaminoechsli1941]

Unfortunately, 7800X3D stock is apparently drying up faster than that loaf of bread I left out this morning. Tom's industry sources are starting to struggle getting their hands on them. Seems AMD is doing whatever they can to get people to buy Zen 5. Those 9000X3D chips had better come quick and in quantity.

[@skilletpan5674]

They need to bundle 9000 series and xtx to dump stock.

[@JahonCross]

They would take massive loss if they did that😂

[@JahonCross]

​@benjaminoechsli1941 What about second-hand market?

[@marktackman2886]

This new edit direction I am liking, feels fresh

[@TobyManuguid]

i hope radeon would have a Ryzen moment

[@Uthleber]

they did. with RDNA 2. nVidia isnt lazy as Intel.

[@saga55797]

​​@@Uthleber This, Nvidia may be overpriced but complacent they aren't just yet.

[@lucazani2730]

​@@Uthleberyou are right. I'm not an NVIDIA user, but that's just a fact. When amd wasn't competing with intel, the latter just kept adding pluses to the 14nm lithography to no real improvement whatsoever. Intel hasn't been innovating in a long time, all the Cpu new technologies are from Amd (most important one of course is 3d v-cache). Nvidia, on the other hand, while overpriced is a clear leader in innovation in most sectors, like drivers, feature sets and efficiency as well

[@iLegionaire3755]

@@saga55797 NVIDIA has every right to be overpriced because they are never complacent.

[@larion2336]

@@saga55797 They are complacent as far as VRAM goes. But so is AMD in that area, since neither want to challenge datacenter profits.

[@charleswidmore5458]

if that is an indication of how good the 8800xt is then that is great news!

[@andersjjensen]

I say this as an XTX owner: I'm not bothered by AMD "exiting" the high end market. But I'm not optimistic that AMD will handle the situation like they did with the RX580. If they go for value they have to GO HARD. They have to give everyone who has been complaining about Nvidia's pricing serious pause. It's not the 4090 and 4080 (pre-Super) owners they need to address. It's the people who looked at the 4070 with 12GB being $600 and went "What?!?" they need to get at. If the performance rumors of the "8700XT" are true (Raster between 7900XT and 7900XTX and RT like a 4070 Ti Super, 16GB at ~320W) it can't be a dime over $500, and even then it's honestly not aggressive enough to make a real dent even with FSR4 some time down the line. If they want to "screw it up for Nvidia" they have to come in at $450 right off the bat... But I'm not even sure they can hit that price point. TSMC is not exactly cheap with their leading edge nodes.

[@Sly_404]

They will do as they always did. Price them in line with comparable previous gen Radeon cards.

[@paullasky6865]

I have a 7900xtx which I got at £750 previously I've always had the top Nvidia card My purchase limit for next gen is If needs to beat the 7900xtx by 20%, 24gb vram or more. And not cost more than £1200.. I don't care if it's green or red. Problem is the 5080 is apparently getting 16gb so that rules that out. The 5090 is too expensive. So I'm not sure I have anywhere to go if amd doesn't make something that beats the 7900xtx. Feels like a strange situation on both sides of this launch

[@allxtend4005]

and still People bought the RTX 4060/ti that has way less power even in raytracing then the Cheaper Rx 7700xt, because tech channels themself marketing Nvidia as better then they are. Imagine the RTX 4060ti cost as much as a Rx 7800xt, the performance difference even in RayTracing is so damn high that people still buy RTX 4060 then a Rx7800xt just because the GPU is named Nvidia, as i told before, AMD has to leave the Desktop GPU market and people will see what they have done to themself, you want 60 fps in 1440p ? pay 1500$ each two years. this will be the future.

[@natedagreat19]

AMD has repeatedly had every opportunity handed to them on a silver platter.. and AMD will still NEVER miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

[@TheVanillatech]

Over the decades, AMD have HIT the ball out of the park. DESTROYED Nvidias offerings at MULTIPLE tiers in MULTIPLE generations. Never matters. You check the sales of that amazing card and Nvidia will always sell 7x more of their crappier card than ATI/AMD did of their superior card. AMD need to get out of the discrete market. Let everyone live in Nvidialand. Focus on the consoles and the datacentre and their CPU's.

[@426Studios]

​@@TheVanillatechI am now an AMD fan since they released Ryzen, and also would like to get AMD cards, but unfortunately, their GPU just doesn't compete with Nvidia in the realm of video editing. I'm not sure in other places, but here in the Philippines many gamers are also video editors and Nvidia's Cuda Core is just widely used by editing apps. If AMD can counteract that, I think they can finally compete with Nvidia

[@cavemantero]

@@TheVanillatech absolutely not. If AMD left Nvidia would raise their prices through the roof compared to what they already are and screw everyone over. Its the stupidest idea ever. AMD is going to *try* and price competitively but keep failing because its not nearly competitive enough considering the post-cryptoboom market.

[@kevinerbs2778]

@@TheVanillatech that's genius let them get hit with a monopoly lol

[@qwesx]

​@@cavemantero > If AMD left Nvidia would raise their prices through the roof compared to what they already are and screw everyone over. How that AMD's problem though? They currently sink billions into cards that most people don't buy anyway because they prefer the vendor-lock-in tech that Nvidia created. It's not their job to spend money so you can buy a cheaper Nvidia card.

[@Traumatree]

Huge RDNA 3 supply? Just lower your effing price by 500$ for ALL RX cards and you will sell them. No way I am paying 1k+ for a 7900XTX this late in time since its introduction. It is time to cut the fat on the middle-men and give the customers a break.

[@damianich4824]

They would need to compensate AIBs for the losses. Obviously they'll try to avoid doing that.

[@puffyips]

Not $500 but yes heavily discounted and they will sell

[@TheTaurus104]

​@@damianich4824the 7900XTX cost under 1k

[@Traumatree]

@@TheTaurus104 In USD... elsewhere, the exchange + the extra "fat" resellers are taking makes it unaffordable. Here in Canada + taxes we are looking at 1250$ for a cheap XFX Mercury Magnetic Air. All the others brands are $400+ more than that (prices from PartPicker). So no, I will not pay that price for a 2yo GPU, and even less since we all know they are stockpiling.

[@SemperValor]

The XTX is the most popular card on steam survey at its current price so probably wont happen. They need to sell 7900GRE's. RDNA 4 is going to get smoked by the 7900XTX STILL and Nvidia 5000 series... Idk what AMD is going to do... Not going high end RDNA 4 was a dumb move.

[@pdmerritt]

All I know is IF, I repeat...IF, AMD can really produce a card with close to 4080 in raster and 4070ti in ray tracing plus FSR4 for $500.00 US. I think they could definitely take some marketshare from Nvidia. Especially when all the reviewers are inevitably saying...just buy it.

[@allxtend4005]

what are you talking about the Rx7900xtx has the same or more raw performance then the 4080, now you want AMD to lose money for your benefit and just because you dont want to spend 1600$ for a 4080 at launch so AMD has to pay you 1100 Bucks and you pay them 500 bucks back so you can have a GPU for 500 bucks that cost around 1600 ? Amen, in what of a fantasy world you're living in.

[@beltfedfanatic]

i was waiting for rdna4 to upgrade from my gtx1070. the delay made pull the trigger on a good deal for a used Rx5700xt.

[@masterlee1988]

Ha, I'm in the same situation as well(still on GTX 1070) but actually do plan to go RDNA 4 next year(though it would be between 8600 XT to 8800 XT).

[@beltfedfanatic]

@@masterlee1988 the 1070 served me well but games like space marine 2 really started to show that pascal has finally reached it's theoretical end. not a bad feat for an architecture. surviving 3 ones later one we will most likely never see again. pascal was just amazing.

[@masterlee1988]

@@beltfedfanatic Yep, plus I want to try that game as well. For me I'm on an ultrawide monitor(3440x1440) so I need all the gpu power I can get for price to performance with newer gpus.

[@razorgcy]

I'm on a laptop 1070, and seriously hoping for a 16GB RDNA4 version of the Asus Zephyrus G16 with Zen5 to happen so I upgrade!

[@rodiculous9464]

I still use my 1080 to this day! Great card. I got the AIO gigabyte watercooled one and it still hasn't leaked over 8 years of use. Amazing card. I got a 4080s now for gaming but I still use my 1080 on my backup pc

[@Selloutsatirist]

A cut down podcast about cut down yields.

[@AtamrarisTibia]

"just wait for big navi" meme being reborn incoming i guess

[@skilletpan5674]

Good pricing is the 3rd key to success in the GPU market. Performance can be lower if the price is right. Features? Only that the card drivers don't crash and it supports DirectX/CUDA/OpenGL/Vulcan and some other stuff. Even AMD now have emulators for CUDA that work ok.

[@napalmarsch]

we want native graphics no fake dlss voodoo shit =(

[@randomgamer19170]

Me too , but cat is outta the bag it’s never gonna happen

[@kaystephan2610]

Does anyone know how much funding AMDs GPU department gets? Cause they have a way smaller budget than NVIDIA obviously so considering that it's impressive that they can somewhat keep up at all. But does anyone know any specific numbers provided by reliable sources? Would be interesting to know.

[@pdmerritt]

lets put it this way....Nvidia has approx 2.75 Trillion dollar market cap and AMD's is 275 billion. Nvidia has waaaaaaayyyyyy more resources for everything than AMD has.

[@kaystephan2610]

@@pdmerritt Market cap does not tell us anything about a companies resources. It's simply the value of all circulating shares which simply tells us how valuable shareholders think a company is.

[@pdmerritt]

@@kaystephan2610 you don't think every company invests in itself? It may not do so under the same name but, trust me, when I say they always do and when a companies market cap rises.. You better believe that company is also making more money. What company do you know of that hasn't? Apple, Tesla.....Nvidia!

[@juriscervenaks8953]

@kaystephan2610 I believe this channel told couple years ago that Nvidia has 10-100x more employees than AMD, and AMD video card department have less than 50% of all AMD workers. So i am happy that Radeon exists at all. As usual just wait couple generations and buy old card. I only would buy new if there was really good need, so far haven't been.

[@rattlehead999]

@@kaystephan2610 They take out loans based on their market value.

[@jaynorwood2]

Intel's GPU tiles are all built at TSM also. The Battlemage on Lunar Lake followed by the Celestial on Panther Lake provides developers a potential 60 million unit laptop gaming target, without requiring a discrete gpu purchase. At the same time, these GPUs have the tensor cores and software support to be used in MSFT's Copilot+.

[@ronchum5178]

I think it'd be cool if half way through RDNA 4's life cycle, they came out with a monolithic 8900xt with an 84 CU chip and a 256 bit bus. They could give it 3gb modules of GDDR7 and it'd have 24 gigs of fast ram. Of course this is something that would need to have already been in the works long ago, but it makes a lot more sense than trying to release something chiplet based. I'd buy it for 700$.

[@Xilent1]

Me too, but they gotta tell us before hand though. I don’t wanna buy a 8800xt then have to sell it for the 8900xt.

[@jordan-mn6yy]

@@Xilent1 you shouldnt be buying new just to resell as soon as the next new thing comes out. Thats consumerism disease.

[@jaynorwood2]

I'm going to guess that any rdna4 tile issues are simply the choice between using their advanced packaging allocation at TSM for $500 consumer GPUs vs $10K AI GPUs.

[@liamtingle2762]

If AMD were ready to launch RDNA 4 and be competitive - they WOULD DO IT THIS SIDE OF CHRISTMAS. There’s no doubt about that.

[@coffee7180]

i just say one thing never wait for AMD. I learned that the hard way.

[@1Grainer1]

if it has as good price/perf as leaks say, then it would be wiser for them to go 7900XTX for $700 for xmas, move all the stock, or as much as you can, and then push RDNA 4 in January or February, less losses on RDNA 3 rotting away in boxes

[@riven4121]

Radeon never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

[@TheTaurus104]

​@@riven4121At some point a meme is used too often.

[@TheTaurus104]

​@@coffee7180make non sense but nonsense make no sense

[@johndoe-sf6hk]

people are idiots. they will continue to drive themselves into a one company market(nvidia). they will then watch and complain as that company raises their prices to astronomical levels.

[@suzie9874]

You call people idiots for spending their money wisely. I had a 6800XT i liked it. Then it came a day that it did not do what i wanted it to do. (i started dabbling into AI) I traded it straight up for a 3080. Gaming is pretty much the same. AI is so much better. Well AI at the time did not work at all on the 6800XT. So you call people idiots for spending money on things that work. What would you call people that spend money on things that doesn't work and doesn't do what you want it to do or need it to do. Raedeon is simply not as good as Nvidia at this point. And then couple in the fact that Raedeon is not even trying to compete with next gen. Look at the leaks going. If any truth to the leaks at all. The next gen raedeon will be competing with the 5060 and maybe the 5060ti. The bottom end of Nvidia vs the top end of Raedeon. AMD will never catch Nvidia without trying to compete. I mean AMD aren't even trying to compete with last gen AMD. And that my friend is just sad.

[@wertigon]

@@suzie9874 Ever heard of the expression "penny wise but pound foolish"? Unfortunately, it is already too late. AMD has no way back to competing in the GPU race, so they are doing the only sane thing they can do; quit the (discrete) GPU race. At least for quite a few generations. GG Nvidia.

[@gelul12]

Because amd hasn’t raised the prices to astronomical levels before ? Hahah

[@kennymorelandiii9406]

Such a smart idea to chop out the big juicy parts of the podcast! Good work editing it and all that as well

[@Psychx_]

The 8800xt is going to be around less than 250mm². They could have at least made a larger ~350mm² variant without hitting exorbitant price, yield or scaling concerns.

[@ZAGAN-OZ]

They could have made a bigger RDNA4 mono but whats the point... It would have been like 7900xt, selling similar price to 4070 class of gpus. good for customer, bad for amd and gain no share and lose money.

[@aos32]

Maybe they could. But it is a unusual situation where TSMC will raise the price for their 4NP process which released back in 2021. In the past prices used to drop for a production process that is starting to get old. There are just so much demand for the N4P process because of all the AI accelrators like Nvidia B200 and AMD MI300X.

[@MechAdv]

If that rumor is true, previous leaks indicated 295-325mmsq, then they shouldn’t even call it the 8800xt. But then again, they took some bad publicity on the chin last time around to lower the price and die size of the 800 series. GCD on the 7800xt is 200mmsq and they charged 500$. If 250mmsq monolithic means we keep the 500$ price tag, and that’s where AMD wants their midrange offering to top out, then I’m for it provided we get a serious generational uplift from RDNA4 architecture that we did NOT get with RDNA3.

[@GeraltofRivia5150]

The state of gaming is absolutely stupid right now. There aren't any games out that justifies spending $1k plus on a GPU. I think AMD is on the right track not putting out a high end GPU this cycle. Let the tryhards spend $1500 plus on over the top nvidia junk just to play Fortnite. When RDNA 5 hits in 27 hopefully there will be some good games out.

[@johndelabretonne2373]

I think in AMD's Zen moment, you had an Intel that had offered just 3-10% uplift Gen on Gen for a few years, simply refused to increase core counts, and could just barely compete with the unexpected Zen architecture (because they thought they had already won) and luckily managed to do far better than they deserved increasing voltage just to stay in the game to the point that they have 2 Gens worth of CPUs that will probably need to be replaced. AMD simply doesn't have that going up against nVIDIA in the high end... nVIDIA simply has far too many levers that they can pull to increase performance; the only place AMD can compete is on price in the low end and mid-range because their products costs less to make and nVIDIA's advantages just aren't as important in that part of the market yet. AMD has got to face the facts that they need to accept super slim margins for at least the entire Generation and offer really great value and absolutely flood the market to the point that nVIDIA simply refused to take a loss to compete to win some significant market share on the Steam survey charts or else it will be all for nothing.

[@allxtend4005]

intel increased core counts but the CPU's cost over 1000$, intel let the user upgrade every generation the Motherboards, that was a nice time, cant wait for Nvidia to do the same, ohhh wait they are already do that when they lock out older Nvidia cards of New Feautures and giving the GPU's not enough Vram.

[@dcxSpartan117]

RX 7000 should have just been a die shrunk RDNA 2 with faster clocks and faster memory along with 16gb on the mid range. They could have priced it competitively compared to how RDNA 3 turned out

[@ramonzaions7522]

OOOOMMMMGGGGG WHRE IS MY INTRO?! THIS IS TREASON!

[@Lokotraktor]

I'm sorry but I feel disappointed and annoyed when I push play on a video with interesting topic only to find out it's a snippet of a previous video. Please clearly mark it in title, thumbnail or move it to other channel maybe? Otherwise I love your content, thanks!

[@Reluctant_Hero]

I second this. If it is snipped from another video, put it in a second channel instead.

[@GREG_WHEREISTHEMAYO]

It is labeled “Cut Down Yields” which is always edited bits of the podcast as far as I am aware

[@FrancisBurns]

@@GREG_WHEREISTHEMAYO Yeah, second channel would be better though, At least it feels so with DF shorts.

[@TheMusicHeals.kjhjhhg]

stop crying. do you need a tissue?

[@GreyDeathVaccine]

Will FSR4 (AI based) work on 7000 series cards or only 8000 and above?

[@ZAGAN-OZ]

It probably will work on 7000 series but it might be the case that fsr 4 does not give the big uplift 8000 might get.

[@benjaminoechsli1941]

​@@ZAGAN-OZ Right. Iirc, they've already done that sort of thing with FSR 3 on RDNA 3 and RDNA 2 cards.

[@Pushing_Pixels]

I'm currently in the Nvidia ecosystem and I would buy Radeon if it's superior. It wouldn't even need to be superior in every metric. If Radeon's RT and upscaling/interpolation were "roughly equivalent", it would be good enough for me. I've used Radeon before, back in the GCN days, and the user experience was pretty much equivalent at the time (better in some ways). So, if they can get back to that, with better price/performance, I would probably switch. The only thing I would really miss is the Tensor acceleration for media software. UDNA will hopefully have matrix units that can do the same thing. A Video Super Resolution equivalent would also be nice.

[@3800S1]

And here I am once again, "might upgrade my GPU this time" still running one from 2014 and now can't be bothered even thinking about a PC, mine still works I guess. I was way more excited when I found a working ATi Rage card at the tip on Sunday than anything that has come out in the last several years.

[@allxtend4005]

in other words you cant afford any GPU, so why even thinking to buy when you cant do that. 2014 means you can not play any games from the year 2018 anymore. But yea keep on waiting untill the right time in this galaxy apear to upgrade your system, if you need a upgrade you will upgrade no matter what but sitting there and talking BS is sick and not healty at all.

[@jamesgodfrey1322]

I think part of this for AMD could be a stock issue to many older generations of GPU in the pipeline, so clean them out sell the old stock over Christmas and then discount it in January, then drop RDNA 4 for the summer holday. And I do think the key thing will be raytracing for the next generation of GPUs Nivida due size is getting game makers to bake raytracing in we are starting to see games in which you cannot turn off, so if your GPU cannot raytrace well, that issue for you playing new games comming out.

[@Psychx_]

As long as your PC can at least match Xbox series S or PS5 in RT, then you're still most likely good.

[@awebuser5914]

_"we are starting to see games in which you cannot turn off (raytracing )..."_ Bullshit... That would exclude the vast majority of gamers on Steam, who *do not* have RTX-capable cards. Same goes for PS4, etc.

[@TheRandomshite123]

​@awebuser5914 The ps4 hasn't been supported in ages, devs aren't gonna handycap their games to run on 2013 hardware. As for the GPUs on steam seeing how the first RTX cards dropped 6 years ago you should hardly be surprised if AAA games require newer hardware

[@awebuser5914]

@@TheRandomshite123 _"The ps4 hasn't been supported in ages..."_ Holy shit, do you know *anything* ? PS4 has: Hogwarts Legacy, Assassin's Creed Mirage and numerous other recent AAA tiles. Sure a few have been skipped due to hardware requirements, but they are far & few between. Clearly, you are a moron, we're done here...

[@jamesgodfrey1322]

@@awebuser5914I talking about the fact that unfortunately, there is no way to disable raytracing in Star Wars Outlaw search on line and fact check me this worrying trend and Nvidia is sponsors a lot of games we need to watch what happens next yes I do think this will become an issue over time the same way lack of vram has starting to become an issue

[@ktkace]

I dont mind ... mainstream ftw.

[@madffx1986]

Why doesn't this channel have more subscribers?

[@nurbsivonsirup1416]

Wasn't that the story from the start? That RDNA4 wasn't shaping up to be what AMD wanted, so they decided to only do a midrange version and concentrate on RDNA5?

[@suzie9874]

I wouldn't call it midrange at all. It is closer to midrange of this GEN not midrange of next Gen. For next gen it will be low range. I mean look at what it will compete with. It will compete with 70-70ti range Nvidia from this gen. That will push it down to at best. Competing with the 5060 and 5060ti of next gen. That is not midrange at all.

[@jordan-mn6yy]

@@suzie9874 lol the broken chips in a 5060 will never compete with amd raster performance.

[@rattlehead999]

No multi-chip modules(chiplets) didn't work as well on GPUs as they did on CPUs, so they cut the high-end. RDNA3 had a bug caused by it NOT being monolithic, which lead to lower clock speeds and higher power draw than expected.

[@sengan2475]

​@suzie9874 huh? 5070 rumors are 4070 ti super performance in raster lmao. It would be competing with and completely destroying a 5070

[@gl897]

I'm enjoying this format with the swop over to hardware unboxed and mlid. More if these please 😊

[@bankaimaster999]

Is there any further news on the Strix Halo... sorry, Ryzen AI Max lineup? Or any other information about the Laptop/Mobile 5090 24GB version? Seems too good to be true... I'm not disputing the validity of it, but with all of the visual leaks only showing 16GB with no sightings or leak reports of 24GB, it's just too unreal to me that Nvidia giving us laptop users a break hardware-wise (obviously I wish to be completely incorrect and I know the price will be eye-watering).

[@leoariasyt]

And the Radeon 7000 series are dropping in price, they want to get rid of them due to the insane amount of stock available.

[@ronhaworth5808]

Prime Day next week or Black Friday next month will tell all on that.

[@MrMrGuy]

RDNA3 dropping in price as we speak, if you cant wait for RDNA4. Black Friday and this holiday will be good opportunity to pick up RDNA3 at quite a discount.

[@ToallpointsWest]

I still haven't seen a compelling reason to upgrade for my 6900 XT yet

[@johndelabretonne2373]

Tom, I appreciate these clips highlighting important aspects of the interviews. It gives me a chance to relisten and realize the importance of the statements made.

[@rattlehead999]

If we are lucky there won't be any high-end GPUs in the future for desktop users. They just take up manufacturing volume in a time where TSMC is stretched super thin for silicon.

[@rakeshmalik5385]

Since cDNA is doing well in the datacenter market, hopefully that combined with AMD being a lot healthier now means that uDNA will be a genuine contender finally. The nVidia stranglehold will be very difficult to break though, especially in the workstation market since it's so heavily dependent on CUDA. AMD will have to offer a big advantage in performance and features in order to convince 3rd party application developers like SideFX, Chaos Group, Maxon, Pixar, and Autodesk to optimize for ROCm.

[@parm2-x7h]

nvidia and amd both are happy to sell current gen GPUs a lot longer , it used to be new gpu every year to every 2 years now , im pretty sure they want to extend to every 2.5 years , Why not it saves them money and focus on AI . consumer gpus makes pennies for them so why focus so hard on people who only want to spend $300 on average . nvidia and amd both will announce on CES and launch in march . current gen GPUs are quiiet powerfull already no need to rush for new gpu that can perform 30% better , it just wont make a difference in fps that much .

[@Ironclad17]

The amount of attention the UDNA announcement received is odd to me. It's essentially AMD admitting they can't manage developing 2 concurrent architectures. We're all just grasping at straws that it means a unified architecture will get better support.

[@nurbsivonsirup1416]

GCN worked very well for at least two generations, maybe three. Even Polaris wasn't terrible compared to Pascal, considering terrible level of optimisation in earlier games and drivers.

[@mrchefcheck]

I have a large amount of acquaintances and family that do have custom PC's. Everytime I see a friend or relative look for a new build, it's always with budget in mind that leaves room only for a mid range GPU. I know of only 2 guys that will always go high end. I'm sure AMD knows this and will cater to the majority.

[@ChristianHowell]

I still think RDNA4 is a Sony exclusive for awhile... They obviously looked at time for "real" RDNA4 was pushed back because they could sell Instinct and let Sony sell a few million RDNA4 a month for a quarter or two... They do want the sweet spot but the key right now is RT... 2-3X over a custom RDNA2 chip is HUGE... And 45% more raster is not a small jump either... The timing for UDNA is not clear but I think it's full speed ahead since they've had since Vega to really see what can be common... It's kind of obvious though... Both need an FP64 Matrix FPU with mixed precision, but compute doesn't need ROPs or geometry engines...

[@wertigon]

I do not know if I 100% agree with Steves assessment that the only way to build a decent product is to be the best in the market. If that is what it takes to have more than Nvidia monopoly though - Then there is no path to victory for AMD. None. They might as well pack up their bags and go home, because they clearly do not have the manpower or know-how to even come close to beating Nvidia. And the only way they can get that is to try and compete, but since they are not competitive now they can't get to a place where they can compete. RIP AMD, hello Nvidia.

[@mjkittredge]

Bencharks show their cards competing well. They are certainly a better price to performance ratio. Goodbye Ngreedia

[@wertigon]

@@mjkittredge Oh nothing wrong with the hardware, that I agree, but since DLSS is just that much better and RT is like 30% more efficient on the competition...

[@mjkittredge]

@@wertigon RT is a fringe feature still in a handful of games. DLSS is for weak cards to perform better in poorly optimised games. If you have an adequate system and card to begin with DLSS/FSR are pointless. I got a midrange AMD card that saved me a lot of money compared to buying from NVIDIA, has more VRAM and it runs all the games I play perfectly even at 4k. I never turn FSR on. NVIDIA fanboys remind me of Iphone hipsters - they are uppity materialistic narcissists who think of the product as a status symbol that makes them superior to others. I vote with my dollars and support the competition so we don't have an NVIDIA monopoly. They are already disgusting enough when they have to compete. I can only imagine how terrible they would be if they didn't.

[@CharlotteJackson-fr9bc]

guess that mean amd will never let out a another flagship card again ? btw just subbed to you today :)

[@jpteknoman]

I've always got AMD because of the price. Back in the day because I was broke and it was the cheapest option regardless of performance, now because, for now, it's price matches the value more compared to the competition.

[@Sintrania]

I would have to disagree with Steve on the key to a successful GPU business, It's not just performance but rather Performance per Price. Even if AMD can make a faster GPU than 4090 but it cost more than a 4090, that mean it wasn't really a good product. As for feature I would say AMD did delivered but they shoot themself in the foot by making it available to all GPU rather than only on new GPU like what Nvidia did, How many times have I heard of people don't upgrade their GPU when they learn that FSR work on their old GPU. This move did make for a good PR but it did hurt their sale, some people even go for Nvidia card because then they can use both DLSS and FSR depend on which is better implement in a game. I would say if they go for Laptop market instead, they would get more share of the market than competing on a high-end. I would love to see an All AMD laptop with both CPU and GPU from AMD.

[@cavedweller333]

I have to disagree, AMD has long had the advantage on price/performance and it hasn't been able to take pretty much any market share from Nvidia

[@Sintrania]

@@cavedweller333 my second paragraph explains why that hasn’t work.

[@greebj]

There was an all AMD Alienware M18 last year, 7945HX+7900M 16Gb, it was very attractively priced (still annoyed I missed it tbph), here in Oz there were Black Friday deals that had it at $2800 down from its standard $3400 ish price on the Dell website, for comparison the cheapest 4080 laptop I ever saw was $4000 (MSI with older 12th gen CPU iirc). Only now we have the MSI budget line starting to get down near 3000. The laptop was blazing fast and great perf/$ with horrific battery life (and the other downsides of all M18s: garbage panels, underspec cooling, upside down mobo) Given this one run took about 3 months to sell out before it disappeared and has never been repeated, I have to think, there was stuff all supply, or demand, or both for it

[@eliadbu]

​@@Sintraniait didn't work because they are behind, both software features and drivers. Last AMD card I had - 6900xt, certainly an improvement but still far behind. People will not upgrade to a new amd card just because FSR works on their old card, they will not upgrade because FSR is objectively (and subjectively) inferior to DLSS in most cases, people will not upgrade because the software don't work as well or even performance is not as consistent - I have a friend who recently sidegraded from 6950xt to 4070 super, I asked him why he did that, he said the games he plays (mostly esports) just run better on Nvidia cards - I don't know how true it is, but this clear notion and people just follow it.

[@Waldoe16]

My question is what is the stance on RDNA5? Has that changed?

[@blackmennewstyle]

Two great dudes sharing their thoughts about the gaming industry is something i could watch all day ❤

[@roki977]

I think high end will come next year but the priority is on GPUs that regular people buy and there is nothing wrong in that. They would do better with rdna 3 if they rooled out mid range firts in my opinion.

[@adrienmeesemaecker2054]

Udna will launch after soon after rdn4 or its rdn5?

[@jordan-mn6yy]

No udna will prob launch 2 yrs after rdna4

[@RuanLFC]

Wait so if 7900xtx stock is a problem that means RDNA 4 will be at least faster than a 7900xtx ? At the right price thats a big win in my book

[@marcelmathes]

I don´t think so, top RX8000 could be on par or a little faster/little slower than the 7900XT or almost XTX level of perfomance but with a) better RT and b) for 500-600 Euros/Dollars. Either way, they need to sell the bulk of top tier RX7000 before they launch RDNA4.

[@SWOgottaGO]

No way in hell RDNA4 will match the 7900XTX

[@chaddesrosiers1107]

@@SWOgottaGO IF it was truly drastically slower they wouldn't be worried about XTX over stock. When the 5700XT was released AMD was still selling Radeon VII and Vega 64/54 stock... they knew there was a market for both for awhile. RDNA4 feels like its going to be a 5700xt situation. The 5700XT btw has aged really well... I still have one and as a Linux gamer I can tell you it still pushes north of 75FPS at 2560x1080 at ultra settings in the majority of AAA titles. 5700xt linux support is top tier. I think its safe to assume its very close to the XTX if it doesn't best it... but the price target is much lower. No one buys a XTX at $700 if you can get 90% of the Raster and 1.5x the RT performance for $550-600.

[@kenshirogenjuro873]

The rumors are it could be not that far behind in raster but should be better in RT while costing a good bit less

[@SWOgottaGO]

@@chaddesrosiers1107 They just want to sell 7900XTX stock just like they want to sell any stock. They want to make money. If they really wanted to sell them they would drop it in price like they should have done a year ago. For RDNA4 to beat the 7900XTX it needs to have 72CUs and AMD already said they are not going to create a big chip so what are we talking about here? It's very easy to know where RDNA4 will be in performance if you track the older generations.

[@jlrockafella]

AMD will not compete with Nvidia for another 4yrs. So this is pointless 😒. AMD focus is CPU & A.I.

[@APU-iGPU]

More specifically AMD's focus is on Datacenter and servers.

[@TheMusicHeals.kjhjhhg]

sounds good I like seeing Nvidia fanboys pay $300- $500 f=more for every new release. at some point maybe they will learn to stop feeding the greed.

[@mrcnorth7149]

Hoping Amd can figure out their 'issues'. New cpu's perf is lacking for home users, and gpu's not at all in demand. If they can out perform Nvidia and Intel and do that for 10 years straight, and do it at an attractive price point people will switch to Amd

[@renchesandsords]

AMD playbook: 1) Hype up a product based on future projection of perfect utilization and efficiency 2) Ship a product with crippled software and firmware and generate a massive wave of reviews crapping on it 3) Slowly improve it over the next couple years 4) Drop prices to try and compete 5) Finally have something somewhat competitive just in time for the next generation and for there to be almost no publicity about the improved value 6) Repeat

[@johnpp21]

just wondering why they cant add more vram to the gpus? like what stopping them from doing it what i would like to see is 8600XT 20GB, 8700XT 24GB, 8800XT 32GB, 8900XT 48GB i think this is great for AI workloads marketing

[@macicoinc9363]

Neither Nvidia or AMD will do this because they can charge 30 grand for their AI cards. Intel is the only one that would be willing to do this.

[@shepardpolska]

Die space mostly, as well as physical space on the PCB. GDDR controlers take up a lot of space on the die, and as far as I remember the biggest GDDR6 module you can get is 2gb. Memory controlers for 20gb of GDDR6 would take up more or the same space as GPU core on a 8600XT, which means you basicly double the die area and more then double the cost of production. Instead of say, it costing 300usd it would cost 600 to buy, it would have the same performence but twice the price all for VRAM that you would likely never fully use. No point in putting 10 memory controllers and 10 dies on a card with a X600 performence level

[@zbigniew2628]

AMD GPUs are bad for AI anyway... And Vram goes to AI cards so you do not have good prices for VRAM parts...

[@allxtend4005]

Maybe you asked the wrong Group why they cant add more Vram to the GPU's ? Nvidia cards are way more Expenisve and have less Vram so why AMD have to add more Vram, what will it do to your Gaming performance if your 8600xt will have 20gb or 8700xt will have 24 or 8800 will have 32 or the 8900xt 48, In what of a Scenario you will use more then 12 gb vram on a entry level card ? in what of a scenario you will use more then 16gb of vram on a mid ranged card, in what of a scenario you will use 48 gb vram on a high end product ? the cards itself wont even deliver the performance before they run out of Vram.

[@allxtend4005]

@@zbigniew2628 hmmm someone missed the point of Rx7000 cards maybe you are too bad to use AI at the point.

[@JBG84]

In Australia, Navi 31 7900XTX has been sold out for weeks with no new stock coming in to multiple retailers. Stock of 7900XT very limited, most AIB cards sold out also. Sooo... a suggested oversupply of Navi31? We're not seeing it downunder.

[@bionicseaserpent]

Australia is second class because how how painful it is to ship here so of course we wouldn't see restocks when a new generation is coming.

[@l3lue7hunder12]

Isn't it a about time that we get Adreno, or Mali or PowerVR ( Imagination Technologies IMG ) based GPUs for the PCIe slot since neither Nvidia nor AMD really seem to care about gamers anymore and still demand extreme prices, and Intel can't be expected to come out with a decent option either anytime soon with Battlemage not just late but also cut down ?

[@cellardoor9882]

AMD GPUs are having bad publicity for a while now.. Why don't they make a dual GPU monster? Something like 2x8800XT and charge 1000$. Would be a huge win

[@benknapp3787]

I've been saying this for a while. They need to work on some tech that will allow us to buy 2 8800 XT's and run any game on them in a way that the system doesn't know they're 2 separate GPU's so the developers won't have to integrate a dual GPU setup into their games. There has to be a way to just link them with PCIE 5.0 cables.

[@cellardoor9882]

@@benknapp3787 spot on! AMD read this pls lol

[@Rasenmaehermann89]

Go watch the reviews of the old HD 7990. 2 dies don't mean x2 performance. The 7990 and all other dual GPU solutions had frame pacing issues. Yes, it could perhaps render +95% more FPS under ideal conditions but they would not align well. The perceived performance gain is more like +50%

[@zbigniew2628]

Jeez... RDNA 4 was about it, they wanted to make a chiplet design like in Zen CPUs, but it did not work, and this is why they are focusing on midrange....

[@benknapp3787]

@zbigniew2628 the 7900 XTX is a chiplet gpu.

[@Crockdaddy1074]

Picked up a AMD 6750 for 350 two black fridays ago ... wanted to update to a 4K capable card at 144 frames .... ill just wait.

[@jordan-mn6yy]

4k 120hz is the new sweet spot cause tv with new hdmi 2.1 have 120hz and u need a new hdmi cable for it as well

[@GinoColombi]

Hey Tom, any leaks on RTX 5090? I would like to buy a 4090 but I could wait a month or two for Blackwell, thanks!

[@charlesballiet7074]

amd needs to learn that sometimes its better to cut losses and move on. to stagnate will just make it harder to stay relevant to consumers

[@gertjanvandermeij4265]

9:40 ...... Yeah well ...... *Intel can just suck it ! They f-ed me enough,* I'll stick to AMD Ryzen !

[@MonstaAU]

Check out High Yield's new Zen 5 X3D video, he thinks the cache is going to be double-stacked to improve thermals.

[@kaseyboles30]

AMD doesn't need to beat the 5090, they need to beat the 5090,6090,and 7090. They've had single and double generation leadership. They need to dominate for several generations or close enough. Look at how they've done with zen. Solid competition with zen1 mostly dominating the things high core counts are good at until Intel had to come up with e-cores to boost their thread count back to competitiveness. And since the first x3d chip (5800x3d) AMD has dominated or at least led gamming performance to the point Intel had to push their chips to self destruction to even try and keep up. AND still Intel has market dominance because folk (especially corporate folk) change buying habits very slowly. 6.5 generation in of being serious competition, frequently the superior choice, and AMD is still second choice in cpu's. GPU's are not any easier to gain market superiority in.

[@webtiger1974PTG]

Amd is first in the cpu market, not second.

[@kaseyboles30]

@@webtiger1974PTG In gaming yes, in productivity it's been going back and forth at the consumer level. Now this is just talking about consumer desktop. IF you're willing to gamble on cpu degradation the 13th gen and 13threfresh (14th) I9's have been a bit ahead on productivity over the desktop zen cpu's, but again they've also been dying often enough to make using one a gamble right now.

[@ehenningsen]

​@kaseyboles30 it's either that or getting an inferior Radeon GPU

[@ATILA3D]

I recently upgrade 1070 to Rx6700 10g (used 100USD) ... I only change if the new cards is lot better new at around 300 USD category ...

[@rattlehead999]

Same, I can afford more expensive GPUs, I just don't want to. 200-300$ is the price range I buy in.

[@VatiWah]

if they release now, they wont be able to get rid of any remaining rdna3 stock . i they release too late though, they gonna be overshadowed by nvidia release unless their pricing is super super good. either way, i think they are in a hard place.

[@mckinleyostvig7135]

The day AMD meaningfully competes with NVENC I'll switch teams.

[@allxtend4005]

you missed RTX 3000 vs Rx 6000 series ? ohhh wait that was the day AMD cards used Less power and had Equal performance and nowday they beat Easy the Counter Parts, But yes maybe you just dont talk bs and buy your Lowest Nvidia Entry Card for the future. People who talk like this are Proud of owning the lowest Tier of Nvidia for sure.

[@Youssef_Ben_Yedder]

soooo this is a cut part from the long podcast? wouldv loved to know that from the thumbnail or title xd now i don't wanna stop watching to not hurt the algorithm😂

[@mleise8292]

UDNA has me wanting to pick up RDNA4. It’s the last gaming optimized arch.

[@Xilent1]

I have a 6700xt as my 1st ever GPU. NO regrets. I do want RT, but wanna see if the 8800xt can get 4070tiSUPER level RT for up to $600. I could just get a 4070 SUPER for that price, but I’ll wait.

[@jordan-mn6yy]

4070 will have less vram than whatever 8800xt will have

[@henrythegreatamerican8136]

UDNA sounds like a generic name for a distant planet in another galaxy. RDNA sounds like a toxic chemical in bug spray.

[@nipa5961]

And WiiDNA sounds like Nintendo's next console.

[@ghoulbuster1]

ok

[@pf100andahalf]

Nah, it's not permanent. I'm sure amd will go for the crown at some point.

[@happalula]

wait, is that a sitting Steve? this feels unreal o.O

[@Kapono5150]

I just can’t deal with the shimmering with FSR, it’s soo distracting to me and I can’t unsee it

[@Reluctant_Hero]

I say don’t upscale at all. No FSR. No DLSS. Play at native, enjoy it, and don’t buy into “4K” marketing.

[@ThaexakaMavro]

why use upscaling in the first place smh 🤦‍♂🤦‍♂ we need better optimization not lazy port enjoy your deceptive frames .

[@Kapono5150]

@@ThaexakaMavro well thanks 🙏 for being so nice with your reply, anyways even with a 4090 I still have to use DLSS. Also, I never turn Frame Gen on bc of the added latency.

[@Kapono5150]

@@Reluctant_Hero Too late, I already fell for the “4K marketing” and purchased a QD OLED monitor. I have to use DLSS as some URE5 games don’t run well with a 4090

[@Reluctant_Hero]

@@Kapono5150 Well you’re not alone. A lot of folks bought into 4K. But the cost of actually running native 2160p with acceptable fps and visual detail is a price I’m not willing to pay. I prefer 1440p with near maximum visuals and a high refresh rate. But I’m about to invest in a QD-OLED monitor soon and I’ll go with ultrawide 1440p. At the end of the day, it comes down to your own personal preferences. So if you’re enjoying gaming a 4K with a 4090, more power to you.

[@rouqerdyrreb6812]

Really was hoping that RDNA4 would've been more promising. Looking to upgrade my RX 6800 for a smoother 4k gaming experience. It holds up rather well, but I'm having to lower settings more with time. Would've gotten a hypothetical 8900 XTX, but I might have to go green this generation unfortunately

[@allxtend4005]

you wont even have a Smoother Gaming Experience with a RTX 4090 because nobody told you that 4k is so demanding if you crank up RayTracing and everything on ultra the RTX 4090 wont deliver you even 60 fps ... not even 30 fps in any games. What you are talking about 4k ? You have to use Upscaler called DLSS or FSR to get enough Frames for 4k.

[@rouqerdyrreb6812]

@allxtend4005 What on Earth are you talking about? It's not 2014 anymore 4k gaming really isn't that hard to run anymore. With my RX 6800, I can easily get 60+ fps at 4k with high/ultra settings in 90% of games. My worst running game needs FSR Balanced in high settings and I get 60 fps. A 4090 would easily bump that up to 120 fps plus. You might need to watch some benchmark videos man

[@AwwMizi]

I think the 8800xt if that’s the highest card coming out it will not match the xtx in rast performance maybe it’ll match the 7900xt in rast performance and will most definitely have insane uplift with RT

[@rattlehead999]

Exactly and if it's under 230W and costs 500$ or less it's a winner.

[@haukionkannel]

It makes sense to AMD to newer produce big GPUs anymore! But lets see. Sometimes companies make things that does not make sense…

[@stephanematis]

Inter chiplet performance might end up being the limiting factor for the AMD strategy. I think they need a leap forward on that front.

[@rattlehead999]

True, that's why RDNA3 under-performed and had lower clock speeds and higher power draw than expected. Intel's tiles might be the way forward or those leaked new inter-connectors that were leaked recently that AMD and TSMC are working on.

[@mauriciob8260]

love the end of your video your dog really love you

[@reamoinmcdonachadh9519]

Nvidia is moving away from the Video Game Hardware market, they will not leave it entirely, but essentially they are moving into the Big Data hardware and Services space. So AMD have an opportunity to win market share in the Video Game Hardware space with GPU's that ARE competitive with Nvidia's (and others) offerings in that space. It's really up to them to see value in chasing that market.

[@tapioorankiaalto2457]

Thanks Steve!

[@krandeloy]

3:49 (.. to the degree ..) A big reason I went with the 7900 XTX and not going for a RTX 4080 was first my long standing irritation with Nvidia Experience forced log in. Second was also my and many more people's long standing irritation with Nvidia playing games with .. I guess now that I'm thinking about it .. "strink-flation" on top of having the gall to spit in consumer faces with inflation as well. Getting less not for the same, but letting less for more. Or at least that's how it felt. Like it was a well learned less by Nvidia off of Intel's 'incremental gains' years. Nvidia learned just how much they can and can not get away with and were confident that cashing in, exchanging, consumer good will for money was going to do more good than harm for them. AKA: The soulless corporate exploitation, "you're customers are just another resource [and not actually people]", kind of mentality. And then the 7900XTX VRAM, Price, and Radeon's word-of-mouth being their drivers were finally in a more than just "acceptable" condition drew me over. Now however, after two years, I miss the [...] I had to put up with when I had a Nvidia card when compared to AMD's performance instability. 7900XTX is a good GPU, but it is _not_ a $1000 card. AMD's drivers very much bring this down a lot. The 7900XTX, for a pure gamer, is more competitive with the 4070 simply caused by AMD's lagging feature support for non-streamers, non-professionals, just pure gamers.

[@zbigniew2628]

Also their power draw stagnated... I want a 240mm GPU for my project and AMD has only one model of rx6700xt which fits there... But if I am not going to use RT or play beyond 1440p or even 1080p, then I can just go with rtx3070, which is cheap as used, undervolts like a dream and is going to brute force older games with physx in 4k.

[@genx156]

AMD is doing the right thing I believe - by making GPU's more gamers can afford in the mid & lower end markets - Nvidia is just ripping people off any way it can by selling lower class GPU's renamed as a higher class GPU and hoping nobody notices 😱

[@suzie9874]

How much will the 5060 and 5060ti cost. That is what the next gen raedeon card will be competing with. So it will be close in price. And again lacking by miles in software.

[@bruhirl1023]

@@suzie9874 60 series : 350$ 70 series : 550$ 80 series : 750$ 90 series : 950$ these are the actual cards prices without scalper, crypto and AI hype inflating it to ridiculous prices

[@yourma2000]

Why are AMD going back to this graphics + compute architecture? I thought the whole point of RDNA was to focus on 3D performance.

[@MooresLawIsDead]

I've talked about that a lot recently, there's a short about it we made that condenses my opinion. Less, can mean more focus on the GPUs they actually make instead of trying to handle a dozen product launches with their own drivers.

[@RuanLFC]

A 700 dollar 7900xtx killer isnt a bad deal at all

[@MrKozlosPL]

it's not. it's a 7900 gre killer, on par with 7900xt raster perf + huge RT bonus for what should be 500$ and not a buck more. hence why do they need to get rid of 7800xt at 350$ & 7900gre at

[@curie1420]

amd literally had everything going for them to get the market, they just never miss to miss

[@zanzabar4ky7]

AMD did not compete with the 4090. It feels more like they are setting expectations that they are going to compete with the mid range 103 based cards. Was the big rdna4 card ever supposed to compete with a full 102. That was supposed to be the 4 die card and it wouldn't make sense of the data center part was viable.

[@samsonadeboga223]

Instinct made hopper run based on performance, and that's the reason AMD want to go all in to push their luck in other areas

[@user-eq2fp6jw4g]

Well if rdna 4 is so to speak "disappointment" We could actually very well see Polaris pricing model again. Meaning every single fucking used Nvidia RTX below 4000-series will be dogshit and overpriced on used market. Sure ngreedia can keep milking ultra highend 4k but for sure but 1080p and 1440p belongs now to AMD

[@sora3]

I think Steve is great at giving opinions but this is my rebuttal to his points: 1) We all want more competition but how can that be if every reviewer and their dog literally rip AMD for the mistakes that they have? Do you see the same for NVidia? Example is the disastrous 7X00 series and everyone ripped into them. By the time AMD tried to fix things and it was actually decent, the damage was done and only through massive price cuts did they finally get the marketshare it should have. Same for the 40 series (except the 4090) and do you see them rip into NVidia in the same vein? No. It's laughable at how hypocritical they are. It seems that we need to turn off the favoritism and actually look at both products at their strengths. Sure, the weaknesses do need to pointed out but not magnified as what many reviewers do. 2) Features is NOT what current consumers want. It is performance and pricing that exceeds expectations which wins consumers. The 6000 series were successful due to the performance being as strong as the 30 series but way cheaper. That's what consumers want. Features are an afterthought. You can point to the 20 series when they first launched for NVidia. All these features but they were terrible in the performance to price stakes. Paying the same as a Titan Xp for what was a pitiful bump in performance. It was only until the 30 series that it got people to buy as the performance to price was worth it, along with the C-word which shut down the world. 3) Even if the high end RDNA 4 did beat the 5090, most online reviewers will still find a way to point out DLSS and the various other NVidia features are missing and ray-tracing is bad etc. You did it with the 6000 series and the 7000 series. So why any different? Even if the high end did beat the 5090 and did it at a lower price plus lower heat, would that stop anyone from buying NVidia? No.

[@BatuhanGuvenc-eq2em]

WHat amd should done Combine regular and x3d chips into one serie Ryzen 9950x 8x zen5 with x3d and 16 core zen5c 9900x 8x zen5 x3d with 10 zen5c 9700x 8x zen5 x3d with 4 zen5c 9600x 6x zen5 x3d with 4 zen5c Same prices with old 7000 serie or equ. Arrow lake prices Perfect cpu for both gaming and multi thread. Intel give both good gaming and mt in same cpu .zen 5 is better at mt zen5x3d gaming though

[@denvera1g1]

If people are saying AMD isnt making high end, does that mean they're finally admitting the 4070TI is the next gen 3060, and the 4080 super is the next gen 3070TI? The 4070ti didnt even get more RAM like the 4080 super over the 3070TI

[@TheMusicHeals.kjhjhhg]

that made zero sense

[@akeemmorrison2589]

What? the 4070ti is 6950xt/3090 levels of raster. The vram argument is maybe there but I play high settings in all games and it works fine. I also do blender work and it's def way more powerful than my previous 3050 lol. Those cards are not the baseline for gaming performance, the switch, phones and consoles are.

[@zbigniew2628]

​@@akeemmorrison2589rtx3050 was barely better than gtx1660ti.... Jump from rtx3070 would not be that big.

[@Reloadown]

Maybe they are joking and will release 8800XT .... As a big response to Nvidia.... To remind the legendary GeForce 8800 GT

[@raythomas3701]

Most of us cant afford the high end.I dont care about it,just give decent lower end performance at a decent price