Has feminism gone too far? - with Christina Hoff Sommers and Camille Paglia (1994) | THINK TANK

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Original air date: November 4, 1994
On this episode of Think Tank, two controversial feminists, who share a view that is different from the modern feminist movement, discuss what is wrong with other feminists’ outlooks.
Host:
Ben Wattenberg - senior fellow, American Enterprise Institute
Panelists:
Camille Paglia - professor of humanities at the University of the Arts in Philadelphia, author of "Vamps and Tramps"
Christina Hoff Sommers - professor of philosophy at Clark University, author of "The War Against Boys: How Misguided Feminism Is Harming Our Young Men" and "Who Stole Feminism"
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Hate to perpetuate a tired meme but: 1994 "Has feminism gone too far" 2019 "Hold my beer"

[@விஷ்ணு_கார்த்திக்]

*Hold my MALE Tears Mug

@@விஷ்ணு_கார்த்திக் Go make me a sandwich

[@pramod119]

@@விஷ்ணு_கார்த்திக் porukki

[@sta5011]

@ J T G And it did

[@Jammet]

So many many years later, and the talking points have not changed. If anything, it's gotten much worse.

[@berkano_plays]

Watch Thomas Sowell & William F. Buckley interview from '81... Talking points and the playbook have indeed stayed the same...

[@MechaJutaro]

So many many years later, and the talking points have not changed. If anything, it's gotten much worse. Alternate interpretation: Like all forms of prejudice, male-bashing/misandry/gynocentrism/female privilege is, to some degree, not remedial. The sooner we all accept this, and recognize that, for most part, it's a nuisance rather than an existential threat to civilization as we know it, the better off we'll all be

[@regalsmartie11]

They were on point. I cant believe it was 1995... These things should be said in 2020!

[@legalfictionnaturalfact3969]

@@MechaJutaro female privilege. lolol

[@garypalmer1122]

I'm watching this in 2022 and it's definitely worse - makes me sad for young men and women in particular.

[@marlonmoncrieffe0728]

I can't believe we were asking this same question 25 years ago!

[@joshmuir8058]

they were asking the same question in the 60s as well when women were campaigning to be let into the workforce

[@விஷ்ணு_கார்த்திக்]

@@joshmuir8058 there was literally no law against women in the workforce

[@RinoRemover]

I NEED these ladies to start a daily podcast on culture.

[@tracesprite6078]

Do you watch Factual Feminist? Also Diana Davison? Karen Straughan? Peter Lloyd? Bettina Arndt?

[@1111Tactical]

These women saw this way ahead of the curve, if it wasn't for the hairdo's and video quality, you wouldn't know this was 1994.

[@nikeisagreekgoddess4135]

They weren't. They are calling out the things they saw. This means all this bs has been going on for over 30 years

[@TheFirstTriplefife]

This is crazy. This was known back then and is only now starting to be taken seriously 20 something years later. It's almost hard to believe the information has been here for so long.

[@iDEATH]

I think it's because things roll through and out of The Academy so slowly. I remember being there in the early 90s and thinking "yeah! We sure finished off that Political Correctness! That nonsense is done!". It all hid in the halls of upper education, and it's just been this decade that it's started pouring out into the mainstream.

[@TheFirstTriplefife]

@@iDEATH I worry that Feminism is just like a lot of other things. Like a fad that just cycles back into the main stream every 20 years. Can you imagine if we had to deal with this every 20 years only to see things continually get worse for men?

[@emancoy]

Most of us are oblivious, as I recall, it got really famous when I first saw the extremely loud and rude big red.

[@garypalmer1122]

I'm actually quite surprised to find that these were issues in the mid-1990s, especially when you bear in mind that they were looking backwards at recent experience - i.e., late 1980s to early 1990s. I'm watching this now in 2022 and it seems far worse.

[@TheFirstTriplefife]

@@garypalmer1122 Yep and its only gotten worse from there on. This is why its important for people to know and understand history, but so few actually feel compelled to do so. Instead it is usually those in the academic circles that learn this and then those who are willing to exploit or hide something they don't want others to know.

[@godiva7721]

2 women whom I love to this day. Sommers and Paglia were calling out the warning 20 years ago. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

[@popland1977]

Paglia promotes pedophilia

[@Corbiel]

@@popland1977 where do you see this? I am curious what has you thinking this

[@marionjohnson5251]

Wow, this craziness goes back to the nineties. I thought this was a recent phenomenon.

[@JoaquinCorreaDrums]

There's a movie called PCU (politically correct University) and it's from the early 90s, it's humor might seem stupid and bland now but it dealt with all this stupidity.

[@Evilroco]

This started in the 60's and the effect was evident within one generation

[@essies4294]

Nothing new under the sun. Also, social mores don't move linearly.

[@Aristocratic_Utensil]

@@Evilroco No no, even further back, this goes way back to woman suffrage movement, but 1920s, people like Wilhelm Reich really made it nuts.

[@joannamonique707]

Me too. Just makes it more obvious what their real issue is. For a traditionalists feminism is always "going too far."

[@spookytoothable1911]

...and still elegant, witty and impassioned a generation later. God bless you both.

[@SpenceDaFence]

Thank you for uploading this. I heard Christina mention this interview a couple of years ago and was looking all over KZbin for to no avail until now.

[@tracesprite6078]

Her videos are called Factual Feminist.

[@rael2099]

1994 and all those feminist myths continue to be carried on to this day. Unbelievable.

[@jy1733]

"Has feminism gone too far?" Yes! Our current salient question is "Has the Alphabet Mafia gone too far?" Again I say emphatically, YES

[@mrofftopic2802]

Two of the bravest women alive. Have greast respect from those two.

[@விஷ்ணு_கார்த்திக்]

*"Has feminism gone too far?"* YES

[@விஷ்ணு_கார்த்திக்]

@Froggy Noddy Free Men from What? Relationships&Marriage? I guess they're succesful in that.. As we all know, Strong Independent Women don't need no Man!

[@regalsmartie11]

OMG. Im a millenial and its like they were prophets for the 2010s! Everything they said was wrong with feminism has become even more monsterous!

[@regalsmartie11]

@Ray Patson the far left is winning everywhere except the ballot box. Thank god when it comes to voting the normal sane people cant be stopped so easily

[@gotime5883]

hell yesss! "Paglia the Prophet"

[@ManInTheBigHat]

Twenty five years ago these women were saying the same exact thing, fighting the same awful fanatics. We thought those fanatics had died. Now they're back and so much worse.

[@taywil64A]

This discussion was prescient for the time, but unsurprising, as these two ladies had understood the drift feminism was taking when many of us back then had not understood the direction things were going. Ladies, your work today (2019) is still so relevant as radical feminism has become so extreme. Male bashing is now really out of control.

[@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017]

William Taylor Not to mention anti white rhetoric

[@taywil64A]

@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 Needless to say! A straight white male, is now the most unprivileged of any gender, race or sexual grouping due to feminists and their cultural Marxism. When they are older they may perhaps see the error of their ways, but that is to hope for too much.

[@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017]

@@taywil64A Indeed.

[@davidaprogers]

​@@taywil64A You've got to be fucking kidding me. Straight white male here. Your victimhood complex is pathetic.

[@irnuska2409]

And here we are at year 2019 and its still ongoing. If not even being more popular than ever and I find it very frightening.

[@birgittabirgersdatter8082]

Usama Fayyaz Irina is a girls name.

[@humble2246]

@Usama Fayyaz why does that matter?

[@moodcatching]

@Usama Fayyaz What? There are many women with the same opinion as Sommers and Paglia (seen in this interview) who don't agree with 3rd wave feminism. Why would that be strange for a women to speak up against this? There also were non-jewish germans who spoke up against the cruelty done to jews. Just because you are a part of the benefitted group doesn't mean you can't stand up against injustice...

[@JoseyWales93]

Feminism was/is doomed to fail because "separation of the theory always ends up becoming theory of the separation".

[@eriktiedgen9442]

Interesting. And Christina is even prettier today! I really mean that.

[@marlonmoncrieffe0728]

Sommers IS aging very well.

[@peterkee354]

@@marlonmoncrieffe0728 full carol vordaman without the porn hang ups.

[@yehor_ivanov]

MILF

[@adsones]

That's rather sexist, isn't? 😅😅

[@vince7735]

She looks better blonde but she should stay away from the wine.

[@jothecocopop]

The fact that this conversation occurred in 1994 ... and yet, everything's that's being talked about is just as - if not more - relevant today is so indicative of what's happened to society.

[@poriss2230]

I can't believe that this video was uploaded a day ago! I was just looking for this video.

[@jamesriccardo2225]

Christina Sommers is one hell of a witty woman

[@DislocatedDesign]

Current day feminism, too big to fail and still unhappy.

[@goosemasters]

Wow. Well said!

[@daviddub]

Too big to fail, but body positive about it. 😁

[@Roger-r7s]

The biggest problem with feminist victimology is that when the pampered and privileged think they are oppressed and victimized, then those who really are being oppressed and victimized will be completely neglected and ignored.

[@craigfowler7098]

Finally some feminists I can respect, they want equal opportunity and not equal outcomes. Which now exists in most countries.

[@ExtrackterYT]

11:04 This removal of art are still going on. In Sweden a feminist politician demanded that pieces of art should be taken down... and has been taken down. Paintings by Georg Engelhard Schröder "Juno" got taken down, and then "Ceres" ... puritanical nonsens

[@rGGdom]

If these 2 woman would have gotten more coverage maybe all this madness could have been avoided. But humanity keeps a trend of mainstreaming the worst arguments each and everytime.

[@_Junkers]

It's what sells..

[@JonnyZye]

22:15 Camille makes a salient point that I rarely hear talked about these days.

[@stayfrosty8470]

And this was 1994!!!! I don't think this battle will be won in our lifetime.

[@marlonmoncrieffe0728]

...Maybe not. Men are avoiding modern marriage like the plague due to the feminazis and there is an open conversation finally taking place.

[@utilitymaximizer9026]

It's jarring to hear what they described 26 years ago, was just a foreshadowing of what's about to come.

[@prasadyoutube7823]

More than 25 years, how does these great women have the patience to still have hope. I can't, I just can't.

[@brianmeen2158]

It’s why Thomas Sowell gave up as he saw it was a never ending game tat simply could not be won and here we are - it’s only worse

[@goldie862]

Young folks: this is what the long lost phenomenon of intellectual honesty looks like.

[@ayblackie5472]

We live in a gynecocracy. In few years boys will be given tampons as part of their college admission package. I think we mostly all agree that we need equality of opportunity and equal pay for equal work. We also need equal punishments for equal crimes. And we need equal treatment in divorce & family courts.

[@nobledarkmoon]

What is family court? There are Women's Courts. Are Women's courts and family courts the same thing?

[@AngelMageKnight]

Humanity loves to give attention to negativity and that is what modern feminism has become. We in various anime and game groups have respect for these two women for standing up for the truth of what feminism has become. There are battles to be fought and all the male bashing, all this seeking of attention prevents us from sending reinforcements to those fights. I wish that these two would promote some of the fights for women's rights that still need to be fought more often.

[@dejoy9872]

When the dust settles on this madness called modern feminism, Christina, Bernitta and Camile will be the heroes of the world. These are real women, not those sad and bitter, angry bunch. Crazy bunch.

[@markflierl1624]

Don't expect crazy feminism to end anytime soon. It's been getting worse not better. Even men are part of the movement.

[@KD400_]

​@@markflierl1624 simps onlyfans porn etc

[@NorBdelta]

We should have listened.

[@senuhet13]

Really wish more people had taken these women seriously our generation would have been a lot better.

[@DhinCardoso]

I came from the future to warn you all: FEMINISM GOTTEN MUCH WORSE!

[@phill73]

20:25 Senator Biden: "What a weakling!" It's hilarious and sad all at once!

[@tracesprite6078]

I am intensely grateful to President Biden for rescuing America and the world from the pathetic incompetence and rambling incoherence of Trump.

[@captainfury497]

@@tracesprite6078 Lmao America is at its weakest on the word stage now. It wouldn't have happened under Trump

[@captainfury497]

I was about to comment this

[@tracesprite6078]

@@captainfury497 Trump seemed to be under the spell of Putin so at this very difficult time, Trump may have been collaborating with Putin.

[@captainfury497]

@@tracesprite6078 No. Lib cope putin didn't do anythi ng as long as Trump was i power because he knew there would be serious retalliations Nobody in the world is afraid of senile fumbling Biden. In fact he's a laughing stock. Even the so called allies of America the Saudis snubbed him

[@lightmechanic2370]

Great women, ahead of their time. It's insanity to think women/feminists would ever be satified with anything related to men if they are never happy with their own hair style, hair colour, weight, boobs, butts, house, jobs...

[@alexandrahalchak]

Lol “Senator Biden seems to be susceptible,” “oh what a weak link [Biden].” Hahah. Called it.

[@tracesprite6078]

I feel so grateful to President Biden rescuing America from the horrors of that bumbling fool, Trump.

[@Megamean09]

I miss Christine Hoff Sommers' uploads.

[@williampayton982]

Her podcast is amazing

[@Megamean09]

@@williampayton982 She has a podcast?

[@williampayton982]

Yeah it's called the Femsplainers. They've interviewed Sam Harris, Ayaan Hirsi Ali and more, and discussed all sorts of social justice topics the last year. They've stopped for the summer so now is the time to catch up

[@vince7735]

She tweets a lot!!

[@BG-mj1wp]

Like all prophets, these women warned us and we didn't listen. Now look. I find both Paglia and Sommers a breath of fresh intellectual air, two people who don't conform to ANY dogma or rhetoric and think FOR THEMSELVES. The fact that this is called women-bashing or anti-feminism says everything about the so-called representatives of feminism and nothing about Paglia or Sommers. These two women represent the very potential and capabilities of the strongest, most autonomous women. Yet the Steinem branch of orthodox feminism calls them Nazis. Hhhmmm. I wonder why.

[@brndnwilks]

If only they knew how much worse it was going to be 25 years later.

[@roykliffen9674]

From when PBS weren't partisan hacks

[@ManInTheBigHat]

I was thinking, 'PBS would never have these two on today.' In fact they can't touch any of these subjects at all.

[@hejla4524]

PBS unwatchable now. Their 'wokeness' pollutes even their historical documentaries now and we subsidize it with our precious tax dollars.

[@JiuJitsuTrashcan]

Everything has been invaded by leftist elites.

[@wanderer4568]

Only feminists that are worth listening to

[@hotwax9376]

If I was a woman and a guy told me I had nice legs, I would be flattered.

[@ep9691]

That’s because you aren’t rich and in a rich college. 😉

[@hotwax9376]

@@ep9691 Yeah, I think there's some truth to that. You often hear about "white guilt," but I think there is also such a thing as "rich guilt." And it largely comes from the same place: leftists view both whites and rich people as "oppressors," so people who are rich or white (and especially if they're both) view the embrace of leftist politics as a form of virtue signaling. It allows them to show that they're "good" whites or "good" rich people.

[@cocacolad7671]

2019 here! Things are worse than every before.

[@DavidAndersen84]

My favorite REAL Feminists.

[@hejla4524]

Also Janice Fiamengo and Karen Straughan.

[@DavidAndersen84]

@@hejla4524 Janice is awesome. Don't know about Karen Straughan.

[@alanli22]

I LOVE these two. Thank God for "The Factual Feminist".

[@runevi]

This is _so_ disappointing to see! They've been fighting this fight since 1995 and it's only gotten worse.

[@mwil15]

This is still so relevant

[@nickparkison977]

Absolute legends.

[@bhg123ful]

Wow! They’re so young here! And saying the exact same things they’re saying now!

[@adsones]

I could easily position this video as one of the most relevant ever posted on KZbin. It's ferociously honest and delightful - how brave for these two lovely women to stood up for their truth and to bash the gender bias and anti-male, anti-scientific agenda in the Humanities that now has reached metastasis not only inside the Academe circles, but the media, public discourse, curriculum and mainstream culture! I could only imagine how frustrating it must be for them to be talking about the very same issues today, which fatally aggravated 16 years later. I'm sick of all the crap about toxic masculinity, rape culture and the gender gap. I have only respect for them -specially Paglia for whom I'm an avid devotee. Her unapologetic wit and her nuance stands on religion are absolutely spot on and brilliant. Not to mention her manic rhetoric and deep erudition. THAT is a Super Woman!

[@lucysweeney8347]

Beautifully put.Thank you for writing and posting this most deserving tribute.

[@geoffmarcy677]

Just brilliant and foresightful.

[@deprogramr]

Damn Christina looked good with a bob haircut.

[@wendeln92]

This interview is from 1994. These issues were discussed well before this in both their books and other interviews/discussions. Here we are in 2021 at modern feminism is getting worse and worse and gaining more and more power and more and more influence and nothing is being done about it. WHY????? Who is to blame for this insanity???

[@af5433]

Judith Butler is to blame!

[@2packrm781]

Lobbyists & the politicians are also on the list as well.

[@noaholson7094]

Rest In Peace Ben Wattenberg.

[@N0Charlie]

OMG Camille! Take it easy... Appreciate your passion, even your argument but lay off the triple espressos

[@tracesprite6078]

Yes, she talks like a woodpecker on steroids.

[@nobledarkmoon]

​@@tracesprite6078I think that is the way she had to go to start getting some attention back then. Using speed, power and conviction. Almost no guys will have that capability to communicate in that way at all. You also have to respect her directness, respect and restraint that she also provides.

[@tracesprite6078]

@@nobledarkmoon She is an interesting speaker and I value her viewpoint.

[@matth419]

My two favourite ladies ! Terrifying that 25yrs later the ‘effective busy bodies’ now run the bloody world !

[@satishpadmanabhan492]

The sanest women I have heard to.

[@goldie862]

They saw the train coming but no one could stop the cultural locomotive. And here we are. 🤮 God help us.

[@jontlchiu]

Paglia has too much energy as always, and her literature was introduced to me by gender study professor.

[@lad7534]

What do you study in gender studies?, i dont think that exists in my country, and what does a person who graduates from that work in?

[@markfernandes9715]

It's a degree in feminism, and you get hired in the public sector or in teaching, universities etc.,. In the UK, at least, there has been an oversupply of graduates with these qualifications since the 1990's anyway.

[@prasadyoutube7823]

Who else thought the outro was extremely pleasant soothing music and calming announcement. Compare this to current days loud beat drops giving hypertension.🥺

[@alexalex88088]

Wow, these things haven't changed a bit.

[@DonSaxton]

Priceless!

[@ledhicks]

Since this it's gotten worse like 10 folds and grew arms and extended, like an octopus, to even more non-sensical, oft-politicized issues. The western world is a mess.

[@MsDrSantana]

I love both of these women!!

[@kevper96]

Shorts answer! Yes!! It’s cancer, and we need to find a cure ASAP.

[@marklandrebe9895]

ABSOLUTELY - But too little,too late ! !

[@kevper96]

Mark Landrebe it’s only a matter of time that all weak beta men and feminists will see and understand that they were wrong all this time for giving more and more power allowing women to not be accountable for their actions. How insulting to our female companions. They will understand that we are different not better than anyone, but have our pros and cons and it’s fair. But until then I fear we will have more battles to fight.

[@azurehydra]

These two together is a POWERHOUSE!!! Big brain plays.

[@vince7735]

What a great, thinking host!!!!

[@arinachernikova4378]

1994 year!….so all this hell started that times?.. so long ago

[@markflierl1624]

It started before that. I can remember the craziness of the early 80's.

[@KilianMuster]

Either of these two should be the first female POTUS.

[@Flexible_photon]

one look at the current dating and marriage apocalypse tells us what has happened in the past 27 years

[@MrEnjoyBeats]

"Senator Biden seems to be vulnerable" Wow

[@lucappp4]

This is more relevant now

[@workinprogress008]

Two outstanding ladies! Bravo!

[@dennistaylor5065]

Based Mom and Based Goddess.

[@avpme]

They are so great! :-)

[@MineralGPK]

Thank god for these 2 sensible women..

[@shaneh6945]

Two amazing woman

[@chrisx8902]

Still waiting for that reconciliation between the sexes...how much longer is it going to take?

[@warrior_darken2363]

True equality can only be accomplished when we stop adding are they male or female and only care about what they do and how good are they. To run as a society we have to be as efficient as possible and only accept people based on skill. What we need to remove is stereotypes and all gender roles and if we build off of personal skill then as a society we will be more efficient and stronger.

[@pianomanhere]

A great program.. God it's been so long... I remember watching Think Tank in the 1990s... Great program, though Wattenberg was more of a neocon if I remember correctly..

[@jamespimental6919]

And they have everything now and woman still ain't happy!!!

[@guidosanchez5695]

This is GOLD!

[@DavidAKJohnson]

Ben Shapiro: ITALKVERY- Camille Paglia: *Before Ben could even speak* HOLDMYGINANDTONIC

[@polyphonicdissonance6612]

Lol

[@kennethj.williams9263]

Wattenberg trying to get a word in against Paglia. Good luck, buddy.

[@ermac6466]

Maybe feminism goes too far, but we're taking the glory back with our trans athletes.

[@RocketKirchner]

Fearless truth tellers !

[@sunriseWorld-007]

OMG.... when Christina specifically noted Joe Biden as receptive!! And this is 1995??

[@kevinmoseley1039]

Wow they were saying this in the 90’s. Damn

[@glennanthony6757]

19.47 right there... now you got it

[@KittredgeRitter]

These two are egalitarians. Immanuel Kant will always be reality.

[@denniskalmer6268]

U create a movement it goes 2 far the people who created it blame someone else maybe ask a man nope one sided view

[@bresophil]

Omg dream duo

[@jerryholbrook13]

Discrimination is needed in many ways

[@eliasfarah9370]

and this was 26 years ago