Christina Hoff Sommers and Camille Paglia: The full interview | VIEWPOINT

[@SourPatchLyds]

Why am I just discovering Camille Paglia? She is WONDERFUL, so smart.

[@missmarvelle]

Louise Belcher l fell the same way, just discovered her today

[@missmarvelle]

l certaintly am her interveiw with Christina Hoff Sommers is amaxing cheak it out

[@periclesaudhi9125]

+louise Belcher: Leftists tied up with the mainstream media are completely scared of smart people. They will together do whatever is possible to hide those people

[@FallingPoets]

Jeb 2020 I only discovered her a month or two ago, and I feel so privileged to live here in Philly where she teaches. I'm hoping to meet her one day -swoon-

[@WriteCold]

Read Sexual Personae and bring a dictionary. There are so many fancy words, I've just incorporated 3 new ones into my vocab and all my friends are like DAMN!

[@herbie_the_hillbillie_goat]

How can this be? I'm watching TWO feminists and NOT cringing.

[@junyoungkang2766]

because they're feminists who care about everyone.

[@chopin65]

Because they're are reclaiming what was stolen by fifth rate Marxists.

[@TAPriceCTR]

If it makes you feel any better, the feminists who make you cringe don't consider them feminists.

[@johnmolina3284]

@@chopin65 how stupid. It was stolen by post-Feminist feminists and their alphabet allies.

[@nancygerette]

They are not feminists. Their careers are devoted to attacking women.

[@fgougeon3268]

We shouldn't have had to fight WWII. The Nazis should have been taught not to invade...

[@RainDrifter]

Ha. Brilliant.

[@NeonFXx]

HA! Creased xD

[@Patrick3183]

Brilliant

[@RainDrifter]

George Walser Yeah, I think you missed the very funny point the OP was making. :)

[@realmichaud]

BS Roosevelt didn't provoke anyone....what kind of history books are you reading.....Roosevelt ran on non intervention over and over until the American public forced him after they after being too late, into war. Jeez man!

[@PrinceofQueens]

I am a gay man and I LOVE SO MUCH that Camille refers to gay men's sexual exploits as "rough trade." That is an in-group phrase which means she KNOWS gay men and how we work.

[@deathnote4124]

Prince of Queens" HEY! It's prince of queens..."

[@AB-bt9eb]

I love Camille too. She wasn't speaking for all gay men clearly. I am gay, very good looking and I (and many men I know) don't look at men as rough trade. That's a certain kind of guy.

[@furchtegottgellert4865]

Watched Camille "debating" Ariana Huffington. Camille is the problem, I wouldn't trust her to be a solution.

[@rifoist]

She's said before that she loves gay porn.

[@myroseaccount]

Oh Bollocks, I am a straight man and I know what Rough Trade is.

[@DavittFinol]

I was like "I'll watch ten minutes", then I was like "No way this will catch my attention for half an hour". Now I'm like "Is there a second part?"

[@sugami82]

I love how Christina describes her relationship with Milo as "concerned mother and wayward son" xD

[@skinnysnorlax1876]

More like "Gayward son" HA! I will see myself out...

[@alejandrogangotena9033]

"if you try to give good advice about being streetsmart , thats called blaming the victim" I fell in love with her right there.

[@cayleyp399]

I'm so grateful these women exist and are not afraid to put their opinions out there. Most of my friends at school are feminists and it is beyond refreshing to hear a fresh point of view.

[@omalone1169]

36:00 she knows Milo ?

[@oscarpalaciosruiz]

21:28 "Young women [...] want to wield the power of human sexuality without then accepting any of the consequences of it." Jeez, right-on!

[@rblflwr9008]

The same can be said about dead-beat dads.

[@gregwentley4738]

Young women get loads of praise, even cash online, and limited criticism for their errant "wielding." Their critics are counter-criticized as "repressive." Deadbeat dads are universally reviled, and (more importantly) can even be compelled to support kids they helped create.

[@Wasp239]

jeez no, you're just a pathetic loser impotent

[@sailo8681]

@@rblflwr9008 dead beat dad's are not praised or called empowerd u know.

[@NiVoldiza]

@@rblflwr9008 "There's this problem with many young women..." "...BUT BUT MEN!?! WHAT ABOUT THE BAAAAD MEEEEN?!?!" "Well, that's not the issue at hand, we were talking about..." "...BAAAD MEEEN BAAAD MEEEN!!!"

[@LegallyBoopy]

Wonderful! I could listen to you all speak for hours! I'm so glad we women have leaders like you that are speaking out against the ridiculous and bizarre modern-day "feminism". Thank you!!!

[@MrGameArnt]

As a straight white male I second your sentiment. This whole third wave movement has me worried.

[@LegallyBoopy]

Everything about our victim culture worries me. America is turning into a nation of crybabies.

[@TaelurAlexis]

As a sexual black woman I also agree lol...

[@zylo999]

Kudos to you to not fall into the inter-sectional victim olympics.

[@MechaWingZero]

I love reading comments like this. Men and women should NOT view each other as enemies, that is what I think a huge part of the problem with modern-day "feminism" is.

[@hellokintu]

I'm upset this video had to end

[@chriswhinery925]

I need a safe space because I feel triggered that it had to end. Time constraints are clearly part of white male cishet patriarchy!

[@hellokintu]

Lol great point. I'm currently checking my privilege, please forgive me.

[@George-cs6wq]

Zesty Afrikan lol nice jokes guys

[@MrNoxxta]

These women should be the icons of modern feminism. So much sense and intellect. That is what women should strive for.

[@go2therock]

"Young women today want to wield the power of sexuality without then accepting any of the consequences for it." Camille Paglia

[@lamentate07]

It's amusing that Paglia refers to complex works of art like those created by Dostoyevsky because I met a feminist years ago when I was studying to be a teacher who told me that his work was 'boring' and full of 'self absorbed characters'. The irony was stunning and completely lost on her.

[@THX_1138]

Mom meets Goddess. So much basedness in one place! Love it.

[@casperguylkn]

2 of the heavy hitters against modern day feminism talking. Great to see this

[@MissFushi]

I enjoyed listening. I like seeing more mature women speak on Feminism and gender. Our generation may think its the best thing since sliced bread but honestly listen to other generations too. Their insight, what they're done right and wrong, can help us form better opinions. It is perfectly acceptable to close your mouth and listen to someone more experienced before shouting out in foolishness. I liked the part on Gender differences a lot. I have this belief that men and women are of equal value but not of equal ability or trait. It's not to say either is better than the other...we're just different. And that's totally okay. We don't have to be equal in every facet, just in our rights. That includes Trans people. I feel someone feeling a need to change their birth gender is perfectly acceptable. Hormones are tricky things and if you feel you're a woman and science can help you find happiness then I am all for that. Everyone has a right to feel complete and love their bodies.

[@advancedraymondology2914]

MissFushi I have no issue with anyone doing what they can to find their bliss. However, there are some disturbing trends in the trans movement. For one, the celebration of younger and younger children taking hormone blockers and living as their "true" sex. I don't think it's unreasonable that a person wait until they are at least old enough to vote before permanently altering their genitalia. Isn't it interesting that these kids always come from extremely "progressive" households? I really believe a lot of these parents WANT their kids to be trans. There's a certain "enlightenment" cachet that comes with it. What a generation ago would have just been a gay kid, first time he does something girlish, it's off to a trans-sympathetic psychologist to begin reassignment therapy. Who the fuck knows how this kid would've felt as a teen if his parents had just let him figure shit out on his own? My kid brother spent a summer believing he was Tom Sawyer, haha. He wore a straw hat and demanded to be called Tom. He got over it. Isn't it also interesting how gender is "fluid" and a "social construct" except when the kid was supposedly born in the wrong body? Trans males almost always embrace the most typically bro-type style, as trans females embrace the most classically girlish style. Interesting, no? In those cases, the classic styles are to be respected. I saw one doc on here about a trans boy. The mother spoke of the kid's "natural aggressiveness" and fondness for "boy toys, like trucks." If she were describing an ACTUAL BOY that way, people would say she was reinforcing harmful stereotypes.

[@adamsmandel3967]

I think this is all men ask for when it comes to feminism: fairness and objectivity. These amazing women get it. The male bashing has done much damage to men and also to male-female relationships. It's time for feminism to grow up, and I hope these women will lead the charge!

[@wendeln92]

These women "got it" a long time ago, the problem is the insanity called "feminism" now is NOT feminism it is insanity that has managed to take over everything.

[@omalone1169]

Where is the piece on women's dress

[@girlbuu9403]

I am a woman with a 'male gaze' too Mistress Paglia ♥

[@TytonidaeBingo]

ditto

[@MookieGAMING]

fit lesbians are fun

[@sdtqwe4ty7742]

yes I can tell. Girl buu is adorable. I always wanted to gush to another women who can relate to why sexuality and isn't a feminist how badass I find sexy badass women to be. So can I gush with you just how badass I find ryuko from kill la kill? Please?

[@damiendarko9411]

be carful bro, that's not even her final form!

[@skinnysnorlax1876]

"Mistress Paglia" gives me an... interesting mental image...

[@molecularmelancholy7546]

Millennials make me ashamed to be a millennial. Not ashamed enough that I need a safe space, but ashamed nonetheless.

[@TaelurAlexis]

Same.

[@antwonvalentino9866]

MolecularMelancholy kinda wanna die myself

[@laurene988]

Build a safe space free state and let them go off there. It'll be a horrible war torn hellscape in constant civil war. We never have to see them again

[@thericky863]

@@laurene988 I'd say if they love their marxists so much send them all to Russia

[@davidpar2]

Enrique Maltos send them to North Korea

[@SokarEntertainment]

Sane women. Could listen to them all day.

[@lillamypie]

Christina Hoff Sommers and Camille Paglia are without doubt two of the most intelligent, courageous women of conviction I have ever listened to. There is no doubt they are deep thinkers who value intellectual honesty and discourse. As feminists they bring that rare dialog to fruition in this program. Yet there is one quality in the entire ark of feminist history, from the late 1800s to today that has never been adequately addressed, or ever confronted. That is disdain and hatred of men that has dominated, overtly or otherwise, feminist discourse throughout feminism's history. Failure to address this issue in any meaningful way insures that, while Sommers and Paglia bemoan lack of progress in the issues they discussed twenty years ago, they will be having the same discussion twenty years hence. From the time of Pankhurst it will be seen through the scrutiny of genuine scholarly inquiry that feminists have concocted myths and lies centered on distortions of masculine human nature. From "rule of thumb" to "goddess ideology" to "mansplaning", all of it an elaborate construct made to destroy their imagined nemesis; patriarchy as an evil collusion of men to oppress women. And consequently to destroy the identity of men. All of it shallow and myopic at best. Deconstruction with contrived, planned to fail construction. Since such an inquiry into the nature of men has been ongoing for many years perhaps such an inquiry should also be made into the nature of women. Yet not in the paradigm of incessant self-adulation or dance around the maypole innocence victimhood we see today. And not in terms of the contrivances of hatred toward the humanity of men seen today as always; but rooted in the biological nature of humanity. We might start that inquiry in this way. Feminism from its inception may be seen as a rebellion against the biological imperative placed on women by nature to bear children. Camille Paglia has touched on this imperative(burden) many times. It doesn't take a great leap of empathetic consciousness to understand how this burden is in play; in everyday living we all experience in one way or another. Could this rebellion be played out through the rejection of gendered social contract seen as repressive, to women only? Has the blame-anger for this burden been unwittingly or unconsciously or vindictively placed on men? And what about the fainting couch women Sommers bemoans as regressive Victorian behavior? In no way can this behavior be seen as progressive. It is the antithesis of women who desire the responsibility and prestige of power. This helplessness is reflected in the societal zeitgeist today, in a myriad of ways; all destructive to a healthy, vibrant society. Helpless victimized women at the hands of evil men. It is in this light that feminism must be seen in the present day; not as liberation of women but as a war against men. But why? Shouldn't the biological imperative play some role?

[@authenticpoppy]

I am so happy that these are the women who taught me feminism when I was young. I'm also glad I graduated from college in an age when challenging your way of thinking was considered learning.

[@filmolosophy]

"The human mind remains primitive. The human mind remains half animal. Of course if you completely remove biology from your consideration, then you'll end up with this kind of "girl scout" view of [how the world works]. They are Utopians" Camille, you just rocked my world. I've literally never heard a self identified feminist say anything remotely like this before. Thank you for using history, biology and culture together to get a realistic and rational view of our current situation. After reading articles in our main stream news sources titled, "Air conditioning is sexist." And reading articles which claim "Small pockets in women's clothing are an intentional patriarchal design to keep women down and less productive than men"... I am very refreshed to hear your views and fully agree, things have gone too far. Thank you both so so so so very much thank you. You are champions for reason and enlightenment.

[@eddiesaar3591]

This discussion with Based Mom and Based Goddess should be part of the core curriculum of every college student.

[@NidzShah-ps6kr]

This conversation has been eye opening for me. The best lesson l've been given by Camille, Peterson and many others is TAKE RESPONSIBILITY! it has changed my life and my world view.

[@9eyedeel998]

HOW COME these two never say anything wrong though? They ate all the clever and their critics are starving and stupid.

[@TheDarkAdventure]

nice metaphor

[@connernickerson5509]

Cannot like this enough.

[@joez9839]

Because, 9, they were proven right. The way the situation has unfolded has vindicated their views. You hear about the guy who predicted the Super Bowl outcome, not the guy who got it wrong.

[@tohopes]

your pic is a bird. your argument is invalid.

[@zecle]

my low dyslexia made me read "anything about wrong THOUGHT" i thought you were talking about crimethinking.

[@JorJorIvanovitch]

I've read "The War Against Boys", and am currently reading "Free Women, Free Men". I recommend these feminists thinkers to all the woke. True Feminism should be something that compassionate and reasonable women and men can get behind. The same can be said of true masculinity. Both are centered around responsibility, honesty and intellectual rigor. It is called intellectual integrity. Toxic Feminists or the woke-left, who see me, a classical liberal-progressive, who married an immigrant from Guatemala, as an oppressor and member of the "patriarchy"...I was always an ally and a traditional feminist until literally 2021. Once the Democrats won the election they kicked me out and said I didn't belong.

[@MrSuckeragi]

The two seem like polar opposites, Christina motherly traditional loving calm soothing , Camille fiery explosive radical fast talking, yet they get along so well and compliment each other beautifully. two of my most favorite women.

[@Forceprincess]

Mind Blown. I read Starhawk when I was a teenager. I outgrew Wicca, but later on found and adored Christina Hoff Sommers, I had no idea about the connection...

[@curtisyue182]

Camille Paglia is living proof of the fact that men aren't the only ones that interrupt and talk over others XD Love you, Camille!

[@billhouston3834]

Thank you Christina and Camille. It's so heartening to hear two brilliant minds examining feminism with such clarity and compassion. Let's hope conversations like this will spread throughout our culture,. I'd hate to think of this kind of enlightened discussion as the last flames of intellect before the end of a civilization. I too hope that the millennials will succeed in breaking the truly evil spell that's been cast over free thought and free speech in our time.

[@afoose]

These girls are so smart

[@afoose]

chill out dude

[@micahwoodard]

These two women are severely under-rated and under-promoted. This is classical liberalism and feminism and is such a breath - no, gale of fresh air! Absolutely brilliant!

[@MrSonicAdvance]

I love how it evolves from an interview into a chat. Wonderful stuff!

[@InkedGnome]

I'd sure like to see these two ladies do an updated version of this conversation.

[@amandaashton5444]

Two amazing strong feminist women with a firm grip on reality. Young women take note this is the feminism you should be aligning with.

[@jamesbarnes6007]

"Institutionalizing neurosis"...damn, too real

[@tfwthatfeel9929]

This conversation is such a relief to hear and it needs to be massively shared as fast as possible.

[@CheatingZubat]

These are powerful, intelligent, lovely women. Both of them. We need more of them in the world.

[@cryforthemoon]

Trigger Warnings on classes? So how do you learn? You just get up and leave all the time?

[@ATP3238]

I love these two women separately, and seeing the full interview of them talking together was great to watch!

[@thewisestguy1]

Dont worry Christina, I'm 16 and im not a crazy sjw.

[@justiceadams6623]

thank God someone who is not a social justice warrior

[@ulquiorra3104]

Not yet. That’ll change come college.

[@horsebiscuits2601]

Watching this with a massive smile on my face. It's so nice to hear people pull apart nonsense masquerading as feminism. LOVED this!

[@adinfinitum000]

finally some sense, lets make this viral

[@isletoflangerhans8281]

Drink every time Camille says "ok."

[@krissannecattrell7196]

I don't know why, but I just love it when she does that. I'm only drinking coffee for this game though. lol

[@jeffmilligan]

I'm now as wasted as each time Karen Straughan said "right?". ;)

[@CheesusGamer]

So you are saying that woman should not speak pal?

[@funeralopolis1]

I wasn't aware that Camille or CH was an MRA. If you have a criticism of feminism, you're an MRA? How?

[@krissannecattrell7196]

+Paul Stout. The person that you are replying to is a spam advertiser for a website. They troll the comments of every anti-feminism video, posting snarky comments and advertising their website. If I have seen this douche nozzle once, I've seen them a hundred times. Same shit, different video. It's cheap advertising for someone with more time than money.

[@maegs1982]

I'm so happy I found Camille I am just so in love with her. I recently bought 3 of her books. Sexual personae, free men free women and glittering images. I have a lot to learn and she makes these topics so fascinating with her passion. Thank you, Camille, you're my heroine!

[@YvonneKa]

I have been waiting for this interview to happen for years!

[@NatanCaetano]

great conversation etc but I'm _so_ mesmerized by Christina's no-make-up make up.

[@inthefade]

She's classy. No doubt.

[@samuelclemens6841]

They do have a sophisticated look about them.

[@chrislifsey7675]

+MrSaywutnow you aren't , believe me you aren't :)

[@azzym8794]

I am a couple of years older then her and dream that I was her classmate. She is ..Oh so lovable.

[@SourPatchLyds]

She is like a smart, factual Helen Mirren with her dignity and poise. I love it.

[@DaSkarekrow]

i watched two clips of these two, and just had to watch the whole interview!!!

[@COMMANDandCONQUERTI3]

finally the teasing is over and I get to watch the full interview

[@b_g_c3281]

What I yearn for is a long-form conversation with either of these fine scholars and the _terribly underrated_ (( _I dare say _*_heinously_*_ ignored_ )) *Dr. Janice Fiamingo*

[@letsgoppl8]

YAY! finally watching the whole thing.. love you both, I've been waiting for this for a long time. X from Brazil.

[@drooleybob]

since you come from brazil i must ask (and no offence) - why does brazil sport the craziest of feminists?

[@stefanotrida]

The reality here in Brazil it's very different, I think. The "base" education still is very poor. So, the chauvinism here is still a very present issue.

[@drooleybob]

Stefano Trida but aren't women still a protected class? i've noticed that the more protected the women are, the more sensitized, entitled and toxic they act out.

[@drooleybob]

***** hmm. crime is almost correlated (not caused, of course) with scarcity of resources and order. i hope more people understand that. also, i tend to be wary of feminist advocacy data.

[@letsgoppl8]

in my opinion, it's all about the education. I like to see what they're up to & there's some crazy s*** going on, for sure. but I also feel like they're very supported still by the media and unfortunately, there aren't too much people fighting against this modern feminism. I think violence is also a factor because with violence rates here get higher every year & because for instance, rape's also one of those, with the help of the media, they blame it on patriarchy & more people buy their ideology. we have to push back & young people are slowly starting to notice the their extremist, crazy tendencies.

[@brolololo]

Christina Hoff Sommers is my Feminist Mom, I love her. I've never had much exposure to Camille Paglia but she seems great!

[@basscataz]

There is hope. It's just hard to keep a clear perspective when you personally know so many people who think that Jon Stewart & Jon Oliver are brilliant modern thinkers.

[@jonathankieranwriter]

Indeed! Those are the same people who think Sarah Silverman is actually a comedian.

[@blondthought5175]

"Jesus Is Magic". That shit IS funny.

[@dspenz]

John thinks Truman messed up. John honestly thinks you don't go 5 years and suddenly use your advantage to end a war. You stick with the Japanese slow meat grinder method and just prepare to make more women and children flavored links while going full production from 10,000 links a day at Okinawa to 10 million a day at the mainland plant. John Oliver showed how you can make fun of the lousy results of socialism in Venezuela without mentioning the socialism part of that socialistic disaster. I bet he could do a segment on North Korea without mentioning Kim Sing Song or Kim Ding Dong or Kim Ill Will or the Government's role in the one TV channel 90 minute loop you had better be enjoying as a family if Kim Dung Goon's Goons show up for a media check.

[@Prince19912]

I love you both for fighting for me rationally, thoughtfully, carefully, and truthfully. Signed, a dude.

[@sandymcmahon984]

Seconded by another dude. 👍

[@countryboyred]

Dude here. These women are absolute legends.

[@DarkAngelGuyver]

Good talk though I'll disagree with the closing remarks that the library is the only place to find information. There is plenty of good and solid information available on the internet, but what a student needs to learn in that situation is HOW to search for it and how to disseminate between good information and random crap. Once you have that the 'net is a powerful tool indeed.

[@jonathankieranwriter]

You're absolutely correct, but it takes a probative mind to navigate the online labyrinth and get to the obscure stuff hidden behind the abstruse stuff, etc. Frankly, a sleuth-like temperament is preferable, but the proper way to search *can* be taught as a skill. Hopefully, more people will begin to realize that and start taking advantage of the genuinely tremendous depth of educational opportunity that can be facilitated online. WorldCat alone can change lives.

[@spandanganguli6903]

Its not that difficult. Just go on Wikipedia and go to the cited links. Some will be shit but the others should be solid.

[@MindOfFoolio]

Refreshing. For a change, 2 (f)actual feminists in the year 2016 :)

[@YukitoOnline]

Real Feminist with Real Logic

[@margochanning6868]

There are more of us out here. We are the women raised on Simone de Beauvoir.

[@KanishQQuotes]

Anti Feminist Feminists in the west do not seek supremacy, cuz that requires more responsibility. They just seek entitlement

[@DaiMie]

These are old school feminist. The type of feminist that seek real freedom. Not whatever these Social Justice Warriors are doing.

[@JonathanRossRogers]

Indeed, I've long been uncertain about feminism. Now, I see that's because the term means such vastly different things to different people. These are two strong women with strong minds and ideas that no man need be afraid of. Whatever kind of feminism they represent, it's one I can agree with.

[@monte68x]

I could listen to these two women talk all day long. Very interesting!

[@TheSpiralAim]

I used to believe the blank slate idea... then realized how absurd it was when I took basic biology.

[@GoDrex]

I've been a big fan of Camile since I first heard her speak in the early 90s. To see her together with Based Mom does my heart good.

[@ChernobylPizza]

30:00 I remember I was 19 and in my intro to cultural anthropology class I remarked to the professor that I wasn't convinced that race is nothing but a social construct. There was silence and I realized I had made some sort of grave and offensive mistake. Unlike the philosophy courses I took, where although I was often the lone defender of certain ideas I never felt unwelcome, it was clear that by raising my hand and speaking my mind I had broken a rule. I think I got a C+ in that class.

[@vectorization]

For so long I felt like a victim. I'm trying to educate myself out of this cotton wool haze. I can't debate, everyone is afraid to say what they really think. I am craving food for my brain. Please suggest a reading list.

[@bawoman]

both Camille and Christina have written quite a few books on the subject,, check them out.

[@MrTTnTT]

Check out Jordan B. Peterson. It isn't precisely about victimhood, but I'm sure you will find it enlightening. Especially as it features some common themes you might recognise from your recently averted victimhood. I guess you could say you're a victim of 3rd-wave, eh? I don't know of much to read, but if you want to get a base of facts for debate, check out TL;DR and Vernaculis. TL;DR for facts and Vernaculis for how not to debate with said facts. :)

[@Patrick-857]

Siobhan Ní Loinsigh Anything that was written before feminism took hold is a good start. Particularly philosophy, and some of the great thought experiments by people like Orwell and Huxley, I think Jordan B Peterson lists a bunch of books that he absolutely demands that people read just to get a handle on this stuff. I am truly happy for you that you pulled the feminist curtains and let the sunlight in. My advice as someone who recently woke up to this new threat to our freedom is this: seek out ideas that challenge you, read as widely as possible, really challenge yourself to think critically, and base what you believe on logic and rationality, rather than try to rationalize what you believe. Any belief you have must be based in rationality or it needs to go. You will probably find yourself questioning everything you ever believed. I am at the moment, and I have ended up becoming much less left wing and far more interested in classical liberal ideas of individual liberty and freedom, while rejecting all forms of dogma and orthodoxy. I realized very quickly about 4 months ago that I had been essentially brainwashed, and was not able to think critically, not listening to a person's ideas and assessing them on their merits, but instead accepting or dismissing them based on preconceived ideological criteria. I was not thinking for myself for myself, and my beliefs were often based on emotion and ideology, not on facts, reason and rationality. I am truly horrified at what I was then, because I was able to articulate and rationalize some ideas that were not based in rationality at all. I was able to spout facts and figures to support my positions too. Be critical. Don't be afraid to question the most closely held beliefs. As Timothy Leary said: "Think for yourself, question authority". Sorry for the long post, but I am inspired to see someone going through what I am.

[@vectorization]

Patrick Allison I hope you had a good Christmas. Thanks for the words of encouragement. I wish you all the best. I "gifted" myself Jordan b petersons self authoring program this Christmas. I'm very much looking forward to giving that a go. 😊 I was in intellectual drought and now I have so many books I want read. It's funny but this time last year I would not have thought that I would be waiting impatiently for the library to reopen on a Tuesday morning. Lol ✌🏻

[@Patrick-857]

Knowledge is the light that will stave off darkness in my view. Feminism is doing what Christianity did in the Dark Ages. Knowledge is their cryptonite, and they are desperate to bury it, change it or censor it. Huckleberry Finn and To Kill a Mockingbird are getting censored now. Little kids cannot read Enid Blyton anymore. It's madness. It's modern day book burning. Books are words frozen in time, you cannot apply modern ideas of morality on something from another age. In my country New Zealand they want to change the name of Massey University, one of our oldest universities, because somebody has decided that the man it is named after might have been a bit of a racist. In his time it was normal to be racist, they didn't even know it was wrong. But no let's erase him from history, because history is just an elaborate fairy tale and we need it to portray only positive things so nobody has their feels hurt. Ugh.

[@bookguitarguy]

This needs a LOT more views, people!!! Share!! Share!! Share!!!

[@qazmko22]

35:59 "This wonderful comedian Steven Crowder" hahahah Man you just made Steve Crowder's year.

[@ThatWhatIs393]

I have just found Camille Paglia today and I'm very thankful for that! Listening to people like her, that are not only educated but also experienced and intelligent, always furthers one's own horizon. Everyone has a unique way of looking at the world; and getting to know other people's perspective broadens your own :)!

[@DamagedSoulonevoicein7billion]

This is like coming home. These two minds from my youthful era have spoken the truth as I know it. Sanity is a beautiful feeling when you've spent 10 and 20 years traversing the jungles of thick rhetoric and protecting yourself from the burning air and sands of scorched thought while being hunted by heedless tribal warriors. Real women stand up and speak the truth they have acquired through experience over time and reflection. Education was a vehicle that unites all disciplines through the concept of critical thinking. Skills practiced with a boldness to define personal and political terms of identity based on the exploration of many concepts of morality, fairness and human bio-evolution.

[@rx88088]

I just watched your co-interviews on Think Tank from 1994, and then this. Double gold.

[@keithnorris8982]

Camille Paglia... WOW, what a smart and grounded person. This has been an interesting conversation.

[@sinologika]

Respect for the two ladies.

[@TheTomo106]

I laughed as they say Yale, Harvard, and Princeton degrees are meaningless, valueless, and worthless degree. BASED MOM AND BASED GODDESS ARE THE BEST

[@laus7504]

Holy crap! I respect these women and have my favorite beverage! I'm settling in for the hour plus video! I do love long videos compared to all the kids these days. I might have more comments after I thoroughly watch this awesome meeting of the minds!!! Thank you Christina and Camille for standing up for reasonable women and speaking the truth. You're my idols!

[@idleeidolon]

This trigger warning movement is the new Victorianism. It's the demand for special treatment under the guise of politeness.

[@ysgramornorris2452]

Feminism is the radical notion that women are people. That's fine. Just remember that men are people too.

[@billcox8870]

Both of these ladies are intelligent, educated and articulate. They have my respect.

[@georger64]

I keep coming back to watch this. Great talk! Please tell the Based Goddess I bought her latest book.

[@VestinVestin]

30:30 - 31:20 - I can't stress enough how important and true this is. I even like to use the same term to describe the result - "humility". Sure - a Philosophy major will not necessarily land you a job (on its own), but it will wipe the self-satisfied smirk off your face, show you the depths of horror of human existence and lay bare the ignorance and audacity of large swaths of humanity, driving you into crippling depression. Uhhh... I mean - it will teach you critical thinking and give you a broader perspective on life ^^'. If you get consistently bombarded by reasonable, coherent, convincing and clearly mutually contradictory views, you will probably develop a healthy attitude towards Truth.

[@jessicamceachern23]

Thank you so much Dr. Paglia and Dr. Sommers! I have a question that has been haunting me for a while. Should those of us who share a critique of this regressive new wave of Feminism abandon the term "feminist" in terms of identifying ourselves? Dr. Sommers, I have been following you for a while now and I know that you still identify as a Feminist publicly. From what I have read in current Feminist literature, the assumption of social construction governing all human behaviour and experience is taken completely for granted, in spite of a complete lack of evidence. This assumption isn't even being examined by modern day Feminists. Is Feminism fundamentally broken? I am worried. The seeping of this regressive ideology into other fields (feminist ecology (!)) makes me think that Feminism, which historically served as a catalyst in the fight for freedom all over the world, now threatens to take away our hard-earned liberties. I don't know when this change happened. Feminism is about freedom, for all people. Feminism is the god damn foundation of a free society! Is it possible to take it back? I want to take it back. #takebackfeminism

[@gavin9968]

Love the Based mom and based Goddess part LOL so cute

[@FergalByrne]

This is EXACTLY what feminism should mean. Strong, smart, courageous women proving why women are so important in our world.

[@InvaderSyd]

Christina Hoff Sommers interviews Janice Fiamengo. Please.

[@niceperson709]

A delightful and insightful talk between two very wise women

[@EnvytheHobgoblin]

"Cross-Dressing in Medieval Valencia" and "Auto-Eroticism in Early Jane Austen" Dead.

[@joe4324]

*mind blown*

[@leftybelle7022]

Sarah Truesdale 😂😂😂

[@jordanmcintyre5148]

Man this is refreshing. THIS is what a conversation between two genuinely smart people with unique and well thought out opinions looks like. So unfortunate that most feminist discourses take on such an ideological tone to the point where it doesn't even feel like two humans talking to each other anymore.

[@wafflecolorednegro1534]

Wisdom and grace. See that feminists? Thats true femininity.

[@drlawitts]

that name lol

[@clsatc]

Brilliant discussion

[@TigerMonthlyHits]

We need more feminists like these women. They're called realists and they can see situations for how they really are.

[@justiceadams6623]

Amen

[@MattCo628]

I can't believe it took me this long to find this conversation. So many truth bombs from you both. You're both doing the Lord's work by thinking so soberly and speaking so cogently on so many taboo subjects. Cheers

[@leslieaponte75]

love these two , brilliant 👋👋👋

[@77Tadams]

Thank you so much for this. I went back to school now at 39 and I see the censoring of ideas daily. You are allowed to leave the class if you feel triggered by anything. I am taking social work classes and it is really funny because I have worked in the trenches with children and teens who have been extremely violent and hostile because of the real abuse that they endured. But I was told not to share any stories of how children threw their own excrement at me, attacked me verbally and physically and also the horrors of the abuse out in the field. It was too "triggering" to the younger students without this experience. I was told many times to refrain from sharing this information. If you are going to be a social worker it is probably a good idea to know what you are up against. This is why people get hired fresh out of college by the state and quit less than two years in. It is a disservice to people to not educate them for their profession.

[@TheSapphire51]

What on earth use will these cotton wrapped people be in the actual field. I can just imagine their utter uselessness and in fact I suspect they will do far more harm than good. Pity the human race.

[@justthinking7550]

These 2 brilliant women should be designated as national treasures!

[@memoryhero]

Camille Paglia is one of the most interesting speakers I have ever heard. Full stop. No further qualification.

[@C5Dynamite]

finally, now i can listen to this in the background and do other things.

[@camilofuentespena7348]

This is pure gold! 😎

[@m74d3]

These women are incredible. What incredible voices of sanity in today's insane world

[@cobwebshavings4508]

I've watched this interview several times now. Great stuff. Thank you ladies!

[@Hanapep80889]

The liberal media avoids this because it is creating a new group of young people who are finding people not full of bs. Love base mom!

[@coolunknown2]

I had low expectations for this video but it far exceeded my expectations. Very well done.

[@Marmocet]

The Quakers achieved in their societies hundreds of years ago all the broad goals that feminists claim to want to achieve in our society, and they did it without viewing men and women as adversaries in a struggle for power and control over the other. Instead, they thought of men and women as complimentary, morally equal parts of a whole humanity and they made it their goal to create a happier, more harmonious, more perfect society for everyone. Quakers understood that men struggled and suffered under traditional social arrangements in ways different but equal to the struggles and suffering women faced and that the way to create a "peaceable kingdom" on earth is it is in heaven (as they put it) was to proceed in the spirit of love and respect for one another.

[@amethystdreamarian4076]

Such wise wonderful & beautiful women.. Listening to this conversation was a real pleasure. Thankyou.