Has Norway Killed the Combustion Engine?

[@FredrikSandbergNilsen-ez9qr]

We did NOT kill the combustion engine! 80% of the cars on Norwegian roads are still ICE. We also have a strong interest in classic cars. Many EV owners have a classic ICE car. In Norway you can also import a 20 year old car completely tax free. You can import cars like american V8s, BMW M5, Audi RS6, Porsche, AMG V8 and V12 tax free like a Nissan Leaf. This video from @DW REV doesen´t tell the whole story about cars i Norway.

[@DWREV]

Thanks for the feedback! Would you at least say that we told part of the story, and that ICE cars are on their way out in your country?

[@FredrikSandbergNilsen-ez9qr]

@DW REV Yess, i agree. But we Norwegians are by no means done with ICE cars. The new car marked in Norway is smal, only around 126 000 cars last year. We have a pretty strong secondhand market for 2-10 years old ICE cars. Meanwhile as the second hand value for EVs are pretty bad because there are to many off them (like you mentioned in the video). Now we gonna start importing newer used ICE cars form countrys like Germany to fill the demand in the second hand marked. Many Norwegians dont want an EV, if they have a cabin in the mountains or towing a caravan...or like me who like to drive their car on holiday in Europe. I also work in car sales so i have a good overview of the Norwegian car marked.

[@DWREV]

That's all very interesting. So it seems like it's still essential to offer a variety of options that meet the needs of different consumer segments while making the switch to cleaner technologies.

[@gomezgomezian3236]

@@DWREV Norway is not reducing ICE cars! It is simply exporting them to the rest of the world.

[@DWREV]

@@gomezgomezian3236 Do you have any data on that?

[@tomfredrikblenning9054]

I think part of the story you are missing is the fact that Norwegian politicians did this partly by accident. As you know Norway doesn't have a car industry by its own. This means that when the Think came along there was a big incentive to subsidize the growth of a domestic car manufacturer. Very few people thought this would become a big thing and the incentives were designed so that they would promote Think. When Tesla came along, it turned out that the incentives were tailor made for Tesla's luxury cars. Many politicians wanted to scale back the subsidies as this was not the domestic manufacturer they wanted to support and they saw it had a big fiscal impact, but they found it difficult as they would be seen to not support the environment. At the same time I think it was important that it was Tesla that created the big break through. It created some kind of Prius-effect in Norway where everyone wanted to have a Tesla paving the way for less expensive EVs. At the same time Tesla and the Norwegian government both worked to create a charging network, somewhat alleviating the initial problem of a poor charging network. At a later date, laws have been put in place making it mandatory to provide chargers in condominiums etc, but the charging infrastructure is still far from perfect in Norway.

[@DWREV]

Thanks for that insider perspective! It seems like it was a happy accident that led to the current policies.

[@MaticTheProto]

tesla is as luxurious as my excrement

[@Luredreier]

​@@MaticTheProto Yes and no. Their technology is a luxury privilege, their quality control... Not so much... But they broke through at a time where decent electric cars *where* a luxury. And paved the road for others to follow.

[@danielzhang1916]

I would credit Toyota for the Prius effect too, there's one in every neighborhood, as the saying goes, they made it possible for people to consider EV

[@MayanCrossroads]

Very informative but the loud background music is highly annoying.

[@kierank01]

Ethiopia has just announced a ban on ICE car imports. Might be worth doing a report on that

[@DWREV]

Thanks for the tip!

[@pig_hunter-g1d]

Ethiopa has just signed a contract with Russian Avtovaz to produce Lada cars

[@alanfoster6589]

The ban on imports might be to encourage domestic production as opposed to just EV's. Having said that, and having been around quite a bit of Africa, it's an ideal place for EV's to take hold. Petrol availability is unpredictable and delivery inefficient, whereas solar (which we are seeing more and more of there) eliminates a good deal of both. Game parks need to switch to EV's because quiet vehicles allow for better wildlife viewing. Switching to solar (and wind, esp. in Southern Africa) also greatly reduces the opportunity for corruption. Motorbikes need correspondingly less of a charge. The biggest thing holding back the changeover is the same as it is everywhere: initial cost. But it can be done. You can rent a cell phone from kiosks in many countries. The cylindrical kiosk is topped by a solar panel that keeps the phones charged. Ethiopia's new dam will greatly increase the availibility of electric power in the country.

[@alanfoster6589]

I live in Arizona. Hotter than much of Africa. Thousands of EV's there, and (as yet) no complaints from owners in re excessive battery degradation, at least as far as Teslas are concerned. What you say about the African grid is true. Same holds true for petrol distribution...and if the power goes out, you can't pump gas anyway. Small-scale solar will help greatly. Any village can put in a solar/battery storage facility. Car charging is a lot slower that way--but it works.@internetresearchagency2238

[@LoremIpsum1970]

@internetresearchagency2238 I would have thought African countries would have prioritised household electric and lighting and clean water before anything else...

[@Kvannkjos]

But the truth is that people who live in rural areas in Norway still prefer petrol and diesel cars.

[@logitech4873]

I live very rurally in northern Norway, and EVs are extremely common here.

[@Kvannkjos]

@@logitech4873 Yes, but most people here in Northern Norway choose petrol and diesel cars

[@redspock]

I'm happy with mine. I'm in New England (US) and I routinely travel from Newport, RI to Syracuse, NY to as far South as Arlington, VA and I've had no major issues, plenty of charging stations either on the road or at hotels. You could always use more charging stations but I look at it from the same perspective as when the first Ford cars came on the market, gas stations were almost nonexistent and there were no highways or interstate system to speak of. I bought it expecting some growing pains but what can be more patriotic, you buy a car made or assembled in your country, built with Local labor and fueled by domestically made electricity. My goal, even though it's a small part is to make oil virtually worthless and hope that it saves lives in the process both American and foreign.

[@danielzhang1916]

I think the market will adjust, some gas stations are putting in chargers too, maybe eventually 50-50 or so

[@mr4ndersen]

Thank you for a great documentary. One point that I would hope could get a bit more attention was that Norway has had incredible high vehicle taxes for many years. Most likely one of the highest in Europe for a long time. It was often like this 50% car price and 50% vat & taxes (engangsavgifter). So cars were often almost double the price from Germany, Sweden and similar. If you then release the possibility to get a "cheap car" like Nissan Leaf, where the fuel prices are 1/5 of the price of heavily taxed petrol/diesel plus all the other benefits, you get a success. So the reason why Norway has so many EVs - the government and their policies. These days many from Poland and Ukraine import ICE and older EVs from Norway cause of the cheap prices and low NOK currencies.

[@DWREV]

Thanks for the feedback! It's interesting for us to hear more information from an insider perspective like yours.

[@Isbjoern66]

Very good point which people often forget to mention. Cutting VAT on EVs alone will make them slightly cheaper in other countries, but not really competitive. What would make them competitive is cutting VAT and adding a massive premium on ICE cars and the fuels they run on.

[@erik5820]

Agreed; the main factor of Norway's EV success are high taxes on ICE cars. There are very few (if any) direct subsidies - EV's are simply taxed less than other cars (but they are taxed).

[@petesmitt]

@@Isbjoern66 So, non EV users should subsidise EV users? this might work in socialist countries but in democratic countries, any government that tries to penalise a large segment of the population will get destroyed at the next election.

[@demil3618]

@@DWREV Would have been good if you talked to people ("insiders" and technically minded ones) first. The idea that EVs are green, ICEs are not is technical nonsense. ICEs run on anything that works: biogas, used vegoil, bio-methanol/ethanol etc. Taxing people out of individual transport is pushing them to collevtive (public) transport- a socialist concept. That should be made transparent. I am sure people don't want socialism back and are happy about individual freedom!

[@jerryfacts9749]

From what I have read: Over 80 percent of new cars sold in Norway were electric in 2023. New figures released by the Norwegian Road Federation say 82.4 percent of new cars sold in the country last year were electric, up from 79.3 percent in 2022.

[@Sap3r3Aud3]

In 2024, VW (the largest car brand in Norway) does not offer ICE cars in Norway, only their ID-series. Those numbers will keep on rising.

[@patrickmckowen2999]

Here just north of Toronto, Canada. I own a Bolt and see another bolt once in awhile. But now you don't go out without seeing many Tesla's every day. Cheers

[@LonglingEriksen]

when you fast charge, can you pre-heat the battery? In the arctic the Ev cars are a must. quickly hot and always "start"

[@patrickmckowen2999]

@@LonglingEriksen when I fast charge, I'm always stopping a place enroute so the battery is already warmed up. Cheers

[@albertassely6230]

I think key to ev adoption in any country is having a reliable and adequate charging network. And to see this still being a major concern in Norway is quite telling. If you need to charge an ev and there are 2 cars waiting in front of you, then you're stuck for at least an hour!

[@krause79]

There are a lot of stations with dozens of chargers in Norway, if you have two cars in front of you, You would probably wait around five minutes.

[@amosbatto3051]

There are plenty of chargers for long distance driving. What the video mentioned is that there aren't enough public chargers for people in the cities who can't charge at home. The fact that 92.1% of new cars were BEVs in Jan 2024 shows that most people are finding ways to charge.

[@uwehetman2320]

Lets do the quick math. If you arive on a Tesla Supercharger with 14 stalls and 5 cars are waiting and assume you charge for about 15 minutes. How long you will have to wait approximately? Right about 5 minutes. This is exactly the situation I had once last year. At 14 chargers almost every minute one car is ready to go.

[@Joasoze]

I charge at home 99% of the time

[@hadtopicausername]

The charging network here (I'm Norwegian) is not perfect, but it is very good, and it keeps getting even better. Tesla has opened up their charging network for everyone. The only time I've had to wait in line to charge on a long trip, was on a Sunday in the middle of summer when absolutely everyone was on holiday and out driving. And even then the wait wasn't very long. There were even available chargers right nearby, but they were a bit more expensive, and I wasn't in a hurry, so I chose to wait instead.

[@mjoelnir1899]

For me one of the biggest advantages of an BEV is the reduced noise. If you get used to an BEV, you never look at anything else for your daily transport. It is comfortable, plenty of power, heaps of torque, nearly noiseless, you mainly hear the tires. Cheaper to run, here in Iceland it cost about a third compared to a petrol car. No oil changes, less service needed. I charge my car at home, before I retired also at my company. I have sufficient range for normal use about 350 km in winter and 450 km in summer. When I take a trip, there are plenty of charging stations around in Iceland including DC, where I only spend 20 minutes to go from 10% to 80% charge. The market share of EV regarding new registered cars here in Iceland is about 70% and of cars on the road was 16% in 2022 and is climbing. New registered cars are all imports, including used cars. There are quite a few used EV imported.

[@imantsjansons5009]

It would be useful to recommend a similar politics to Saudi Arabia, they sell enough oil to become as green and eco-friendly as the Norwegians.

[@rivergladesgardenrailroad8834]

true

[@jimthain8777]

You might want to look into renewable energy in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

[@Vilhund]

The Norwegian government get money from the sales of oil and use it to subsidize the EV market. Saudi Arabia oil money only goes in the pockets of few people who owns the wells

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

@@Vilhund oil comprises 20% of Norways gdp. Per capita the income from oil is 5th highest globally.

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

The U.S. has been the world's biggest oil producer since 2018 and continued its dominance in 2022 by producing close to 18 million barrels per day (B/D). This accounted for nearly one-fifth of the world's oil supply.Sep 21, 2023

[@AndreasS1980]

I live in Norway, have two Teslas (3 and X), and they are the worst cars I have ever had in terms of quality. Need service at least once a month at huge costs now that the factory warranty is gone. I regret buying the X a lot and want to switch back to petrol, but since the car is worth zero it is so difficult to get rid of it.

[@isaachunt5799]

same here in sweden. we have a leaf. pretty much useless in winter. we have gone back to ice car. cant give the leaf away so we'll keep it for short summer journeys.

[@Finnbott1964]

I wish they had more ev tax incentives here in Finland they seem to be only interested in taxing everything and not pushing Ev,s as cars here seem to be increasing in cost not getting cheaper!

[@Mosern1977]

Well, this was just a major screwup by the Norwegian government back in the 90s. There is no way this would have happened in Norway, if new policies electric car insentives was to be introduced now.

[@luffirton]

@@Mosern1977It was no screw up it was and is a deliberate decision to favor EVs

[@adriannn1180]

as a norwegian i hate this... if i cant buy an GAS sport car when i got the money for it im moving out of the country... all this EV is so stupid... at the exterior look yeah its fine its healthy for the globe... but behind it all its all just a bit pile of BS... the production of batteries being the biggest...

[@stopscammingman]

Those musicians were ahead of their time.

[@glacieractivity]

This is a fact and worthy to be brought up for any "intellectual"

[@patrickfitzgerald2861]

Yes. They actually took risks to promote something positive, and it's good to see them get a little credit for it.

[@JunkerOnDrums]

That's the way to go Norway! We are on the same track in Denmark, but some years behind :D

[@kebeleteeek4227]

BTW .. Norway's polpulation is only 5 millions ... LOLLL ....

[@JunkerOnDrums]

@@kebeleteeek4227 SO WHAT!?

[@kebeleteeek4227]

@OnDrums .. and it got heavy govt. incentives/subbsidies too ... LOLLL ... and Norway's GDP is high too (that's why they can afford expensive Tesla) ...LOLLL ...

[@JunkerOnDrums]

@@kebeleteeek4227 You do NOT change the world through market forces alone. They are short-sighted! It is visionary to make the electrical conversion and Norway is NOT the only country in Europe that is in the process of that conversion!!! So forget your LOLs - We are the ones who LOL LOL you, and your ridiculous comments!

[@kebeleteeek4227]

@@JunkerOnDrums There are 1.2 billions ICE passenger cars in the world (not to mention other types of vehicles) ... Thats why Toyota doesn't care when Norway (with only 5 millions people) has "killed ICE cars" with battery EV ...LOLLL ... because Toyota has wider & longer vision that battery EV passenger cars will only take 30% market share due it's inherent weakness ... LOLLL ....

[@nikdog419]

I mean, doesn't oil export turn from powering ICE into making solely plastics?

[@leiflillandt1488]

​@danielhalachev4714Yes, you can say that "plastic" is made of crude oil, but it's not needed. All kinds of "oil" products are basically made of hydrocarbons (HC) which means it can be made of water and CO/CO2. Everything is though dependent on energy prices. The price of a MWh.

[@smithcoder6834]

@@leiflillandt1488:) c'mon , make polyHC from water and co2 bottle

[@chrispenn715]

Great that Norway is achieving the transition - ironic that oil and gas is such a big part of their economy 😂(And we in the UK are very grateful to buy Norwegian gas in recent years to replace Russian gas.) I think it helps that Norway doesn't need to pander to an indigenous ICE car industry. I'm sure the charging stations will improve over time too. Well done Norway.

[@MrSkeptik-z5r]

Yup they will have 'transitioned' to full LBGT by then and what's the difference between Norwegian and Russian gas? Russian gas was cheaper. Brilliant

[@christoffero89]

We dont get high on our own supply 😂

[@am-zo5dz]

Norway earns money by exporting oil and gas.

[@demil3618]

My ICE runs on non-fossil used vegoil. Others use Biogas or bio-methanol/ethanol etc. Many options. Why should one not have the choice and e.g. be taxed out of it? The essence of freedom is to go own/individual ways to get off fossil energy and we should celebrate the diversity of solutions, not a state-imposed monoculture.

[@petterbirgersson4489]

I didn't know that about the pop group A-ha.

[@paulmerryweather5734]

Well done for making it work. Just to point out London has nearly double the population of Norway. Norway area 385,207 km2 London area 1,572 km2

[@rinzler9775]

Anything can be "made" to work - just keep pouring money on it - take it away from infrastructure, hospitals and Schools if needed.

[@michaeld5888]

In the UK we have a population increasing by the entire population of Norway every 5 or so years so little comparison there. Plus Norway powers itself with hydro electric and sustains its economy by selling fossil fuels to be burnt elsewhere. Also the title saying climate change being 'mainly' caused by human activities is contentious and unproven. Climate is a complicated business especially in a world in an era of catastrophic freezes which will make global warming seem like a walk in the park. To say no more petrol is also ingenuous as they will be extracting a lot of oil to make it for the foreseeable future. Interesting how the Norwegian economy is going to work with no fossil fuel activity and the oil and gas rigs closed down.

[@AerialWaviator]

In Norway they are already use to plugging in their ICE cars. This a normal habit (in winter). Only difference is not making stops at a gas station. Is interesting that politicians did not go the route of banning ICE vehicles, just made them more expensive to acquire (ie: taxed more).

[@demil3618]

Comes as an indirect ban. Bad pracice, one should let the poeple choose. My ICE runs on waste vegoil. We need to remain open to all solutions instead of pushing just one and have the state dictate which ones we use.

[@AerialWaviator]

@@demil3618 Not a ban, just Norway has increased taxed for imported ICE vehicles sold in Norway (the amount of tax has slowly increased over the last two decades). Existing owners are not impacted. Purchasers of new ICE vehicle imports pay a fee. All (used) vehicles previously registered being sold do not the added fee. In Norway a large percentage of vehicles are still ICE (~80%), as only ~5% of a population purchases a new vehicle in a given year. It will take decades for ICE to fade away. Again ... NOT a ban! Note: burning veg-oil still releases PM2.5 particles and other emissions. It could be better recycled, instead of repurposed. Less harmful if driven in rural area, than in a urban area where many would be exposed to the emissions.

[@demil3618]

​@@AerialWaviator Taxing people out of ICEs is still like a ban, just a soft one. On vegoil: Diesels with DPF filter PMs out and the levels of emissions are nothing like in the 60s-90s, so I see no problem. Recycling it elsewhere gives the profits to the big industry instead of local/private/small-scale users. That's certainly not what we should support. Why give away a valuable product to other if you can use it yourself and de-centralise the fuel shift?

[@philipperapaccioli2868]

The cost of producing batteries has been reduced by a factor of 10 over the past 15 years, and will keep on dropping. The cost of manufacturing evs will keep on dropping, with cheaper batteries, optimized design, and economies of scale. Before the end of the decade, evs will be cheaper than gas powered cars. In some cases, they already are. Running costs and maintenance costs are far lower for evs than for gas powered cars. Ev batteries should last well beyond 200 000 miles, and possibly much longer. While the car retains a powerful emotional significance, of freedom and adventure, in practice 90% of miles driven are driven locally, to commute to work, to bring children to school, for shopping and activities. So 90% of charging is done at home, overnight once or twice a week. Less than 10% of charging is done on fast chargers. We electrified our economies a century ago. To claim that we can not deploy an adequate charging network is absurd. Tesla has done it in 10 years. Established car manufacturers have not because they make all of their profits from gas powered cars. A fleet of evs can serve as a giant storage battery, helping to smooth out the variances of solar and wind generated electricity. Ev owners charge their cars at night during off peak hours, so little charging is done during peak hours. Evs will come to dominate all car markets because they are and will become ever cheaper to use vs gas powered cars, and will be cheaper to buy and will last longer while being more reliable. Incentives were required initially when electrical cars were expensive. They still serve a purpose in encouraging consumers to overcome their skepticism. As adoption increases and prices keep dropping, incentives will fairly soon no longer be required. Countries with low gas taxes such as the US, will be the last to transition.

[@DWREV]

Thanks for the feedback. You make some very strong arguments for the adoption of EVs!

[@BrockMcLellan]

EV adoption is only part of the "climate boiling" solution. Being more environmental, involves having more fun. As a Norwegian, I am happy we had the funds to buy a VW Buzz EV. Yet, we realize that this is not the only way to act appropriately. We put in many more hours walking each week than we do driving. My wife refuses to fly, but I do fly. Last year I spent two weeks travelling with my son to visit Iceland and the Faroe Island. This year my only foreign holiday will involve flying to the north of Norway, then spending a week travelling by rail from Norway to Sweden to Finland before flying home. We are reducing our meat consumption, and are experimenting with different types of non-meat foods. We have installed a heat pump to reduce our electrical consumption, and will be installing a second one, scheduled for September. I have stopped buying new clothes, except underwear. I gave away my snow blower to someone who needed one but lacked the funds. He did me a favour, because now I can get better exercise shovelling the snow by hand.

[@gaiusiuliuscaesarvenividiv8393]

How do you utilise these batteries after long usage?

[@alanmay7929]

what a lame joke!! which more fun!? isnt the ICE that makes all that possible?! literaly everything from roads to food, internet, aviation, manufacturing, maritime..... even renewables are all made possible with oil and ICE not the usless EVs.

[@BrockMcLellan]

@@gaiusiuliuscaesarvenividiv8393 I am probably not the person to answer, since during the first year of owning Buzz, we drove 9008 km. We try to charge to 80% when the battery capacity is below 50% but over 20%. Twice we have charged to 90%, when we planned longer trips. At the end of these trips, the battery capacity was down to below 5% on one trip, and about 8% on the other. We have only charged once away from home. It is not a pressing matter, but one of my priorities for 2025, will be to purchase about 100 kWh of batteries, not necessarily Li-ion, for emergency use. Installing heat pumps and improving ventilation is the priority for 2024. During a recent storm, we lost power 6 times in 24 hours: one about 1.5 hours, one a few minutes, and four for just a few seconds, just long enough to turn off our internet and server. Normally, we have a power outage lasting more than an hour up to several times a year. It has been a decade since one has lasted 24 hours, but it happens. (Yes, we have lived in the same house for 35 years.) While I am an EV enthusiast, I bought my first car in 1986, when I was 38 years old. Before that I relied on public transport, and lived in a more urban environment. In a rural area, one has to be more self-reliant when it comes to transportation, and currently that means owning an EV.

[@trashpanda6965]

Wasn’t there a study just done that said eating meat is better for the environment because you’re not ploughing up the land releasing co2?

[@mindfreeze0838]

Well that is all well and good that your lifestlyle affords you the luxury of just taking 2 weeks off just for travelling. But please remember from way up there that there are many people that do not have the luxury a)get that much time off and b)can just casually say "no" to air travel for recreation or business. Its great that you can do all those great things for the planet but please remember that the masses cannot.

[@iankuah8606]

Since over 90% of Norway's electricity comes from hydro-electric power it is easy to be clean and green with a clear conscience. But as the majority of the rest of the world has to burn fossil fuels to produce electricity the idea of EVs being a cure for global emissions is nonsense. A Norwegian friend told me last year that the power companies asked their customers not to all charge their EVs during peak times or the grid would collapse!

[@iankuah8606]

​@@analfister This shows how region dependent power generation is. In 2022, China suffered a long hot summer with its rivers at an all time low. Hydro-electric power. was hugely diminished resulting in both industrial and domestic use being drastically cut. People in cities were sweltering in the heat without air-conditioning. Large countries like China, the US and Europe can suffer climatic abberations like this that a small, thinly populated northern country like Norway is immune to.

[@danielzhang1916]

that's probably because a lot of people are full charging every night instead of enough for the next day

[@newaulk]

There will not be and cannot be a one size fits all strategy for all the world. Norway did what works for Norway. China is doing what works for China. Every country will have to figure out its own route to 100% electric mobility.

[@geirmyrvagnes8718]

It is perfectly legal to learn from other countries.

[@newaulk]

​@@geirmyrvagnes8718 Yes, it's 'perfectly legal' to learn from other countries. But, I find the discourse from the Americans, the Japanese and the Germans to be disingenuous. Range anxiety, charging anxiety and then there are the protectionist (read anti-China) measures. Norway did none of that, so the lessons from Norway might not be 'politically palatable' to the US, EU or Japanese governments.

[@geirmyrvagnes8718]

@@newaulk Having a strong conservative automaker lobby will slow things down, and it is not as easy as copy-pasting Scandinavia and living happily ever after, but feel free to peek at some of our answers. Like: EVs are excellent winter cars, and anxiety is an emotion, not a real problem, if you just bother to put in some effort on all levels. Including politics and bureaucracy getting things done. China IS a problem, but the lobby is not about human rights and environmental concerns, they all have investments in and from China too, trying to play all sides as a good capitalist should.

[@Video3dits]

as a norwegian i wont change my diesel car for an electric. first of all im not supporting the flatscreen of a dashboard that they come with. i like to have a posibility to fix the issues myselfe instead of delivering it in to a mechanic or watever to fix it. aswell as i dont like automatic cars. manual all the way.

[@jandmath]

‘I won’t drive an EV because of the dashboard’ 😂 Are you eight years old?

[@dachautv]

I was in Norway 50 years ago. Then, due to hydro power, electricity cost one third of what it did in the UK and on top of that wages were two times what they were in the UK. They are also have a very small, law abiding population. So it is quite unfair to compare Norway with most countries.

[@josephwallis8965]

Each country is different, like Australia, Tesla is very dear, most average cannot afford it, also lack of infrastructure and charging station, now transition to sodium cell already, 2nd car sales is very poor so EV is not taking up in Australia at all. Gone

[@danpetrescu4915]

NO WAY . All told us ev is no working in cold . Norway is near by equator country ?

[@ThePilotGear]

@danielhalachev4714 the average annual distance driven by Canadians is 15,200 km, as opposed to Norway at 12,950 km. It's not such a huge gap, and if that distance was only covered during business days only, that would divide by 250, so 61 km vs 52 km; a very modest distance nearly any EV would do on 50% charge in -35*C. In Canada, we have built our cities to be car dependant, and therefor a culture of car dependancy has arisen. Very few of us commute using anything other than our cars. Also, we favour SUVs and pickup trucks, so replacing them means we're shopping for larger and more expensive vehicles. In addition to this, we've politicized our electrification, which is something the 'left' wants to use to "control the population", which means the right does everything in their power to deincentivise the use of EVs. It's a bit of a mess, which is sad since here in Quebec, our electricity is almost 100% renewable, mostly coming from hydroelectricity.

[@hadtopicausername]

@danielhalachev4714 Lots of Norwegian EV owners who do plenty of long trips during winter in double digit minus degrees C would beg to differ.

[@i6power30]

Regular commute is one thing. Handling unexpected emergencies when you need to a bit further when your EV battery level is low is quite another issue

[@ThePilotGear]

@@i6power30 in which case, you find a charging station, like you would a gasoline-powered car, and you fill up for 20 minutes.

[@i6power30]

@@ThePilotGear fast charging station might be 15 minutes away in the opposite direction where you want to go. Assuming it's working and not occupied. Takes another 20 minutes to charge and 15 minutes to get back. You just wasted almost an hour. Sorry the emergency situation has expired

[@gregonline6506]

0:59 isn’t a Fiat Panda, it’s a VW Golf II.

[@philiptaylor7902]

The graphic was a Golf, the clip was definitely a Panda

[@Project_88]

Without oil and gas dollars no Norway would ever make that "transformation". Actually it is exporting its emissions to other countries.

[@hannes_k5666]

While this is true, it does not make their great achievement of EV adaption somehow less impressive. Also note that Norway was kind of well off even before they discovered oil, they for example had already a big number of hydro power. Yes, Norway as a country is immensely wealthy and therefore can afford to be early adopters in this game but that should not be surprising. Compare this to adoption of any new, successful technology in any market. At first there have to be first movers to buy the often expensive products and when demand rises, typically prices fall. Happened to basically every popular consumer electronics product, think of smartphones, blu-ray players, flatscreen tvs etc. We can see Norway as a test bed for this. For the energy transition, countries will have to do the transitioning part and this will also include taking (among others) profits from fossil fuel heavy industries and pouring investment into the renewables. While this should happen as quickly as possible, nobody expects it to happen overnight. If we would call Norway a hypocrite for this, it should be applied to many other countries like USA as well, since they have profited and (unfortunately) still profit from fossil fuel companies to this day. But at they same time they invest heavily in the energy transition, as it should be, like with the IRA. Norway obviously is gifted with natural resources but they could have screwed up anyways, look into the economic phenomenon called the dutch disease. But they didn't.

[@metrotrujillo]

when you buy oil and gas you are the one burning it, dont blame the seller, you are the problem

[@weird-guy]

Who cares at least their government used their minds to better their own people with oil money unlike other countries and because of it they have a wealth fund worth 1T Is everything you buy locally made and sourced the least environmentally impacts or it is 99% from china

[@jantjarks7946]

Norway takes the costs to develop the systems which other countries then can profit from. Simply, because the more developed systems and higher efficiencies are making it easier for countries following their example. In other words, in the long term Norway is killing off its own oil business by showing all others that it actually works. What is bad about that? Absolutely nothing, besides the detractors and gullible people are going to argue until they switch and realize, it's not bad at all. Just the detractors will keep going, according to their job description. 😉

[@svettnabb]

The US is richer still, and an even bigger exporter and consumer of oil and gas, even per capita. The us doesn’t even have free education and healthcare, but somehow Norway manages that as well..

[@winstonmiu]

The charging networks are not robust and reliable enough. It’s a good step to have energy diversity in vehicles, but a total push for electrification is too overwhelming.

[@logitech4873]

The charging network is absolutely robust and reliable enough. What do you mean?

[@aljudy01]

For me, the Norwegians are being clever. Dakar and Saudi have exactly the same opportunity but are failing to take it. They still spend the majority of their petro dollars on vanity projects. They could be massively pushing EVs and RE but they are not, at least not to the extent that Norway has. Both these countries have massive solar resources and the Saudis also have massive wind resourses. They need to set themselves up for the future, exacly as Norway is doing. These smaller countries which grasp the opportunity can than act as proof to others that it can be done.

[@mistermood4164]

Saudi owns lucid motors than want to be a leader in EV production

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

Norway is the 5th richest oil nation globally per capita. 20% of its gdp. It is off the charts. But kudos to them for being smart with those funds like you say.

[@zapfanzapfan]

Wow, didn't know that about A-ha. Good of them to get the ball rolling!

[@souravjaiswal-jr4bj]

Norway's population is less than Greater LA. It has $1.5t in funds for just 5.5m people.

[@lcwpg]

quality over quantity

[@DMX-du9mn]

Norway also sells 2 million barrels of oil every single day. Where all that oil pollutes environment - who cares 😂

[@alanmay7929]

@@lcwpgwhich quality?!! dont make me laugh please!!! youre too funny! you mean the quality of fossil fuels or what!? because thats what makes norway.

[@alanmay7929]

@@DMX-du9mn they sell oil and gas to europe where its burned and transformed by actual industries which they dont have and finally that pollution is just around them not far away.

[@souravjaiswal-jr4bj]

@@DMX-du9mn That's the irony. As long as pollution is out of sight, Norway doesn't care. Similar situation in Canada's oil sands and Uranium exports.

[@okwatever3582]

Many says adapting to EVs needs lots of oil and be rich. I mean what’s the definition of rich based on? China’s EVs are heavily subsidized hence increased exponentially. They’re rich in terms of gdp not gdp per capita like Norway. And even high GDP per capita high places like UAE are not a high EV selling country. What’s the direct relation of rich and getting EV?

[@YSKWatch]

chinese EV subsidy revoked when the car exported, that's why the selling price outside china is way more expensive. you can do country to country comparison of the same car model.

[@davidmenasco5743]

​@@YSKWatchThat's interesting. I think a lot of people have wondered about the large price difference.

[@SteinVarjord]

@danielhalachev4714In Norway electric cars have long been price competitive with ICE cars. Initially this was totally due to tax benefits, but gradually less so. If including use costs, (way cheaper “fuel” and cheaper maintenance), electric cars have long been the cheaper alternative, even without tax benefits.

[@gaiusiuliuscaesarvenividiv8393]

It’s way cheaper to afford an EV in Norway mate

[@alanmay7929]

its very simple to answer! norway big land tiny population, overloaded with all kinds of energy sources from hydroelectric gigantic potential to wind farming capabilities to oil, gas...... which other ountries has that!? and they are also in europe surrounded by countries which are actually industrialised.

[@martinsoelby5902]

No they haven't. Every year when I drive south (1.000 miles) for some much needed sunshine I see quite a few Norwegian diesel cars. They know perfectly well that if you want to go places you dust off the old diesel from the back of the garage.

[@geirmyrvagnes8718]

You see fewer every year.

[@martinsoelby5902]

@@geirmyrvagnes8718 Interesting. Where do the 6 year old VW Passat, Volvo CX90D6 or perfectly good cars alike go? My guess is export as in DK and that only makes the transition more idiotic. Look at us we have almost reached 100% BEV, but we exported the now unvanted fossil cars to go and polute in another place on earth. We are not in this together by the looks of it.

[@leiflillandt1488]

​@@martinsoelby5902That isn't a very big problem when some people use a car till the very end of its lifetime. The car was already built and cannot be unbuilt. The big problem is that cars made after about 2010 will be very expensive to maintain after about 250,000 km, if you don't disconnect all kinds of "emissions reducers" like DPF, EGR-systems, etc.

[@patrickfitzgerald2861]

There are virtually no apartment complexes in the US with on-site charging stations for electric vehicles, and that includes ones that are currently being built. No, Norway has not killed the internal combustion engine.

[@menguardingtheirownwallets6791]

Taxes: When the tax on a gasoline-powered vehicle is the same as the cost of the vehicle, while there is no tax on an electric vehicle, the result is that everyone buys an electric vehicle. That's Norway.

[@kallekas8551]

Norwegians are live on another dumbass planet…😂

[@didierpuzenat7280]

Taxes are not just to have money for schools, hospitals, universities, police, justice, affordable housing, etc. Taxes are also a way to influence the market, in this case for less pollution and less CO2. Furthermore, taxes on gasoline-powered vehicles and on gas are also an incentive not to own a car or at least to use it less. Another way is just to ban ICE cars, or to ban all cars in parts of the city. Would you prefer such bans ? Be patient, for ICE cars it will be in 2035 in all Europe.

[@alanmay7929]

its a really stupid tax law tbh! why not let the EV impose itself naturally!? as far as i know its the ICE that literally is building everything and making everything possible there, not the useless EVs.

[@kallekas8551]

@@didierpuzenat7280 Petrol powered cars cause approximately 12% of CO2 emissions, 35% comes from food production. Let’s tax food in a way people can hardly afford to eat… like in Scandinavia in the 70s…I should know as I was there.

[@didierpuzenat7280]

@@kallekas8551 The difference is that most people do not need an ICE car, and more and more people do not even need a car at all. While everybody need to eat. But sure, some food should be taxed as for example meat since producing meat emits a huge volume of CO2, and local organic vegetables should get incentives. The goal is not to ban meat, but to use taxes to promote a healthier diet and lower CO2 emission. In fact it is especially because reducing our carbon footprint in some domains (food, housing, education, etc.) will be very difficult or even impossible, that we need to do it fast and drastically where it is easy eg transportation. Not to mention driving an EV (compared to an ICE car) is also better for air pollution, more conformable, more convenient, and tomorrow (or today in some countries) cheaper.

[@davehad-enough2369]

Norway is the size of a postage stamp. They don't face any of the EV issues associated with large countries like the US or Australia. And the Norway government subsidises / taxes / fines people out of ICE vehicles and into EVs. Globally this is almost irrelevant.

[@logitech4873]

Norway is a very long country, and you can drive anywhere in Europe.

[@gordkao]

Wow! We all should follow their example

[@sdrawkcabshitdaer5031]

If only we all had >90kusd per capita! 😅

[@demil3618]

I prefer using waste vegoil as fuel. No need to join green consumerism in the name of climate action. I am using my 15+ year old vehicle for that. Others may use Biogas or bio-ethanol/methanol etc. We should all demand freedom for individual ways instead of looking up to the government to prescribe the way we are to go!

[@rondar2]

Norway has higher electricity consumption than production since 2019 according to "Energifakta Norge". For some reason they are not providing the data after 2019 when the consumption got higher than the production at the end of the year. In 2019 the average EV battery was 50kWh while in 2024 it is over 75kWh. That there is an increase of 50%. In 2019 the EV percentage was 56% in Norway while according to this video it is over 92% now. That is also an increase of 65%. So in total there is an over 100% increase in need. I don't believe there has been this much increase in electricity production. As mentioned in this video again apperantly there isn't a good charging infrastructure either. So why is government forcing people to do something? How is Norway going to provide the increasing electricity need?

[@pig_hunter-g1d]

they will use diesel generators to charge their zero emmission cars

[@uwehetman2320]

Norway exported last year 20 TWh of electricity according to energy-charts. What has the capacity of the battery to do with the need? It depends only on how much km you drive. If you drive 23.000km per year (what seems to be typical in Norway)and use 20kWh/100km you will need 4.600kWh/year. Regardless how big the battery is. All 2.800.000 cars in Norway would need about 12.9 TWh Energy per year.

[@fsclips]

I would have thought that with something as important as climate change, organizations like the EU would make everyone work together to ensure a coordinated effort. However, when I compare what I see in this video to where I live (South of Spain) the contrast couldn´t be starker. I own a Tesla and my car is a complete curiosity here, with people taking pictures or asking me about it. Almost no one here drives and EV and I don´t know anyone who even considers buying one. The Tesla charging infrastructure is great, but the pubic chargers are...well...Spanish...slow and often not working. I guess countries like Spain and Italy are currently 15 to 20 years behind Norway and I wonder how long it will take to close that gap. In any case, it is great to see Norway proving all the nay-Sayers wrong.

[@weird-guy]

I’m from Portugal and in my city they a common sight although relegated to the upper class still

[@i6power30]

The irony is that EVs are even better suited for warmer weather in Spain and Italy than Norway.

[@beehappy7797]

In 1-2 years, EVs will be cheaper than ICE cars. Without subsidies. Sales of EVs will overtake ICE cars worldwide in a few years.

[@demil3618]

Maybe others are using Biogas or waste vegoil in 20 year old ICE cars. And it could be that your proprietary rolling computer (yes, Tesla can actually adjust the range of your own vehicle over the air!) uses coal/oil generated electricity. Consumerism in the name of climate action is not the way forward, not is statism- that the state dictates people's choices. The way forward is to incentivice individual ways of climate action.

[@fsclips]

@@demil3618 my car runs on 100% solar. Always has and always will 😉

[@tmyrdal]

Thanks to the EU Acer contract this will never happen. People in Norway is hurting. You guys never show that.

[@evkx]

Thank you for sharing the Norwegian EV story. During the next 10 years most countries will follow. The future is electric

[@Simon-dm8zv]

Yes 😎

[@beehappy7797]

@@Simon-dm8zv 100%.

[@isaachunt5799]

what about the billions of barrels of oil they sell each year? is that green? hypocritcal wankers the lot of them

[@logitech4873]

​@@isaachunt5799 That's not hypocrisy.

[@isaachunt5799]

@@logitech4873 yes it is. trying to force electric cars while selling billions of barrels of oil is hypocrisy on a huge level. these governemts must think we're all morons

[@GoliathAngelus]

Charging places nearby are a problem

[@peterpanimg]

Hi. Can my country do it? No. Can others? Well, it seems in Norway's GDP, 20 % of comes from oil/gas, and rest getting significant share from forestry (timber/lumber), fish (farmed fish, multiple KZbin published documentaries including one from DW from 10 years ago referring to how toxic that is) and minerals (mining). I guess countries having such economy, may be able to do this. It would be interesting to see what is the net emissions supporting Norway's 0 emissions. Also, I feel the reference to 0 emissions 'target' is misleading, as that safely ignores everything else that is going on. Another interesting study would be, are there economies with more sustainable industries/businesses contributing to GDP, and may have a lower Gross, and/or Per Capita, Carbon footprint compared to Norway? E.g., per a list on Worldometer (and similar figures on Wikipedia) indicates Norway's per capita CO2 emissions being 8.3 tons, higher than the global average of 4.76, and higher than China's per capita of 7.44. How to interpret this? Another question, does it make sense to take inspiration from a part of what Norway is doing in isolation, ignoring all other related aspects?

[@erik5820]

I think most of what you argue with is irrelevant fud. What do those other industrien have to do with this ? They are irrelevant to 'taxing ICE cars out ofmbusiness' (as it was elegantly mentioned in the vid). And yes - Norway has a relatively high CO2 per capital (about half of northern amerikanske, but slightly more than average european). But that is not an argument against having an EV policy - rather the opposite - Norway should have a better policy on the other areas that release the most CO2 equivalents (oil & gas production, agriculture, process industri, etc).

[@eugeneg1455]

@@erik5820 I believe his point is that one of the reasons Norway can afford this is because of the other less eco friendly industries. It's not that they shouldn't do that (at least try to compensate for industry negative with eco cars). But may be some poor country from Africa that runs on horrific pre Euro-0 ICE standards - has no tax incentives for EVs exactly because they don't have polluting industries to fill country's budget (and thus have less per capita CO2 emissions). Of course it's not all that simple - Saudies also making tons of money from Oil, but don't have such policies. Nigeria making money on Oil might be too corrupt. And eventually doing something (like Norway) is way better than doing nothing. Just want to make sure we all understand that the cost of incentives is might offset the bright green overall image.

[@leiflillandt1488]

As the situation is right now, Norway isn't really dependent on oil and gas export. The "problem" is that most other EU countries need oil and gas, and have to buy it somewhere and for the time being Norway can provide it. If the Norwegian government would use the incomes right now, the inflation in the country would skyrocket! I have a sister and a niece living in Norway, and they don't seem to move away... or back home...

[@erik5820]

@@eugeneg1455 agreed, a I must admit I kind of understood this. But I still consider it fud and somewhat whataboutistic. I guess my point is that other people/countries are hiding behind the 'Norway has oil money', while in fact Norway hasn't used a lot of money on this (in relative terms). What has driven this is mainly high taxes on ICE cars, not direct subsidees on EV's - something that is within the possibility of most countries but that they maybe do not want to do for political reasons.

[@eugeneg1455]

@erik5820 The average salary in my country is around 650eur/month and big portion of those goes to utility bills (including gas for heating). Most of people can only afford second hand ICE cars (brought from EU). Imposing extra tax on non EV cars would hit very hard on population. And I imagine such scenarios are very common across the globe - not many can easily afford financial leverage. Again, wherever possible - it should be done, agree. P.s. I do realize most of poverty comes from corruption and unaccountable dictatorships that are the product of population, but fixing the problem is very uneasy task

[@AliNajafies]

I guess one missing point is that the statistics here are talking about the new cars market, not all the cars on the road. The cars that are already on the roads can still produce a lot of pollution for many years ahead.

[@tarant315]

Oslo is apparently 50% EV adaption

[@leiflillandt1488]

But in the Nordic countries the new car buyers drive approximately 25,000 km a year, when the second owner of a car drives approximately 15,000 km a year, maybe the third owner 10,000 km a year as an average. As there are almost yearly checks of the cars (First check after three years, second one after two years, and then yearly (approximately)), it's quite easy to get good statistics of how cars are used.

[@rizizum]

Yeah, but you can't just go and destroy existing vehicles. If 100% of new vehicles are electric that means they'll eventually replace all existing ICE cars

[@TheSiliconeVeil]

25% of Norway's total car fleet is composed of BEVs as of Jan 2024 and a further 7% are plug-in hybrids. When you take into account that people drive newer cars (EV majority) much longer and more frequently than older cars (ICE majority) the plugin share climbs to nearly 40% of all passenger car traffic in Norway. This number is growing rapidly as the average age of diesel and petrol cars is well over 12 years and most ICE cars are scrapped within 16-18 years. Even the lowest estimates from experts in the field state that over 50% of cars on Norwegian roads will be plug-in by 2026. By 2030 plug-ins will pass a 75% share of the total car fleet if the current trend continues. Very few people buy plug-in hybrids these days (under 2% of the new car market last month, compared to 92% for BEVs) so the grand majority of the cars on the road will be BEVs by 2030.

[@tarant315]

Very interesting to see how nextdoor neighbour Sweden is jumping on EVs now

[@keacyut7]

Forced to switch to EV soon because it is cheaper to own and drive it in Norway. Basically, that is it.

[@geirmyrvagnes8718]

Nobody is forcing you. You can still drive an expensive noisy and polluting vehicle if you want to.

[@bck0001]

I’ve been to Norway a few times and found their speed limits so low and frustrating that it’s borderline not appealing driving there, despite the roads and scenery.

[@bck0001]

@allergy5634 I’ve lived there (Germany), traveled to every country, and disagree. Europe has some of the largest meets and clubs and enthusiast activity. Normal people also seem to enjoy cars more than the States. Norway seems emasculated vs the other countries, tbh.

[@logitech4873]

The lower speed limits are for safety reasons. Norwegian roads often have poor visibility due to the terrain, and are dangerous in winter.

[@knutarneaakra6013]

Living in norway l can say for sure Iam gonna keep my old 8,2 l diesel for the rest of my life. Nothing's like the smell of diesel smoke on cold winters mornings. Works for me.😂😂😊

[@geirmyrvagnes8718]

We thank you for your generous contribution of voluntary taxes, and hope you live far out in the countryside, so as few other people as possible have to breathe your toxic fumes.

[@kallebirgersson710]

You should hold on to it, it will just raise in value every year. Just like all diesel and even gasolin cars. It will be like it used to be in Cuba where old cars were kept alive with all means possible

[@beehappy7797]

You must be very old. Senile?

[@geirmyrvagnes8718]

@@kallebirgersson710 Maybe teslaswap it and keep a small jar of diesel for sniffing? 😅

[@dougm659]

You’re not concerned about the pollution you create then? Pretty selfish dude!

[@RfromG-bd4fb]

Norwegian still own ICE cars for long trips. Norway is an oil producing country and a recent survey showed that Norwegians are against the reduction of fossil fuels. Most of the electricity produced in Norway is Hydropower. Hydropower is one of the most destructive ways to produce electricity.

[@Bluetop-ez8ic]

Norway is aware of the destruction Hydropower is doing to the environment and are taking steps to rectify it.

[@jondigene2233]

The main reason for EVs success in Norway is the fact that they are a lot cheaper to buy and run, than ICE cars. It's that simple.

[@stavrosr9819]

Not really. They just tripled the tolls for the ICE cars and all the rich people who don't care about the tolls anyway, went and buy tesla,cause they could get tax, parking and other benefits. Of course that was just a trick and now they started to treat Evs like ICE cars. The stupidest thing about all that is that in the winter Evs lose around 30 to 40 % of their range and ofc the electricity prices went like 5 times more than they used to be. I live in Norway many years and i can't believe how naive people are.

[@Mental707]

@@stavrosr9819 ev´s are one big red flag!.. they are a danger for the freedom of the people of europe..

[@OilBaron100]

@@stavrosr9819 do electric vehicles in Norway have to pay the Oslo "Bomstationen" toll and other road tolls nowadays just the same as ICE vehicles?

[@mbican]

Put 50% tax on gas cars and electric are cheaper 😂

[@stavrosr9819]

@@OilBaron100First it was free, then 50% and now it will go 70% Eh, soon it will be 100%

[@stefansjolen9078]

If countries is willing to invest in electric infrastructure and green electric power then it should work in most countries. There is already plenty of different electric cars already and very soon the cars will go down in price. I don't see any future ice cars

[@Mental707]

Why would they go down in price?.. ev´s are just so expensive because of their batteries... average people can´t buy 40.000 euro cars.. they will always choose for a cheaper alternative.. ice cars will not dissapear so soon friend

[@Kangaroo_Caught]

I was amazed at how far back the push for EVs goes in Norway. But I am disappointed that this story doesn't even touch on the carbon content of the hydrocarbon exports, many of which are burnt.

[@davidmenasco5743]

??? 11:20 to 11:50 is all about the oil exports. But no, they don't spell out the carbon content of oil.

[@alanmay7929]

lol!!! the EV story is just as old as in every other countries! the thing is why didnt Norway invest in batteries or industry like Germany for example! just imagine if Germany had all that energy at their disposition it would be game over for other countries! i mean Germany would be the richest country on earth by miles.

[@alanmay7929]

not only that but Norway bans ICE but still uses tons of it to build and maintain their infrastructure.

[@BrockMcLellan]

Unfortunately, the carbon content is added to the account of the consuming country, not the producing country. The Norwegian government is keen to end using gas to "electrify" hydrocarbon production, because that gets charged to the Norwegian account. If they use wind, or some other source without CO2 production, Norway can not only export more gas, they will appear to be more environmentally neutral. Yes, it is hypocritical.

[@weird-guy]

Every eu country is doing the same move but the Nordics are more successful because they are rich on average in Europe and ice cars cost the same apparently , in my country for example minimum wage is 820€/month and the cheapest ev is the mg4 for 29k, most that buy ev’s are in the upper middle class and they buy teslas

[@JimmInOz]

West australia here I currently drive a Nissan patrol with a diesel tank of 180 litres and fill 150 litres of diesel every 2 weeks, these 150 litres gives me 1400km. If we hook our 3 ton horse float on, we can travel 800km on 150litres of diesel. West australia has long distances and most towns even run on diesel or gas generators… not against renewables, my house has solar and battery (saved us from many blackouts) but before an ev can pull 3 ton at least 500kms, they won’t be viable for me, and at a decent price… this Nissan patrol only cost me 13000 Au $… we aren’t all made of money…

[@Isbjoern66]

You have to admit though that your personal needs are about as far away from the vast majority of people on this planet as they can possibly be. They can't really be used as an argument against wide-spread adoption of EVs. No one would argue that we need to electrify all military vehicles either. There will (for a long time) still be specific use cases in which ICE make sense. On the other hand, even long-haul trucks and heavy machinery like snow plows are successfully being electrified in Noway. And with MW chargers the charging time is not any longer than the mandatory breaks which truck drivers have to have anyway.

[@JimmInOz]

@@Isbjoern66 if you look at the sales statistics in australia, over half the people buy big Utes (pickups or 4WD SUVs). Our market is quite different to Europe. I am a truck driver btw… EV trucks for long haul here wouldn’t work yet… I can work 17 hours in a day… and I only need to take 3 breaks of 20 mins to satisfy our mandatory breaks (I usually work way less than this) but problem is our grid is non existent outside the major cities.. so putting in chargers won’t work, as the grid is not there

[@stevenbarrett7648]

Thing is Diesel exhaust emissions kill people, its not about going electric its about zero killer emissions sadly most folk miss this most important point

[@Isbjoern66]

@@JimmInOz I don't doubt for a second that the EU vs Australia markets are hugely different, and I don't doubt that your choice of vehicle makes sense for you and anyone in a similar setting. That still leaves a massive potential and market for all sorts of EVs elsewhere in the world. Interesting aspect with the 17h driving. It's 4.5h - 45min break - 4.5h - 45 min break - 1h - end of day in the EU. So, plenty of time for charging unless you have 2 drivers on board, which is a rare exception.

[@luffirton]

Listen I don’t think anyone or hope anyone thinks that what Norway has done is going to be able to be replicated everywhere. Australia is a god example of a country with huge differences both from other countries and internally as well. In the city’s and suburbs EVs would work just fine, but in rural areas and west Australia it doesn’t. It’s a good example that we will continue to need different energy sources in the future as well. The difference is that we need to start to understand that the energy sources available have unique benefits in different even local areas for big countries and that the saying “one size fits all” doesn’t apply even within some countries. So governments need to let local authorities push EV where they see it can work and benefit their community and let other local authorities continue to push ICE cars where that is the only practical solution for their community.

[@erbrock1]

The notion that Norway is somehow climate friendly given their history of oil production and given they are currently pumping about 90 million metric tons of oil annually is a joke.

[@geirmyrvagnes8718]

Well, we got this part quite right. I'll take it.

[@arcticblue248]

Norways emission of CO2 is at about 50 million tons a year... out of all the worlds emission of CO2 at 33000 million ton, China alone let out over 10 000 million ton of CO2 a year, we are nothing compared. Then you have those who claim that well what about the oil we pump up, are we to have that to our account ? if so ... what about cars we have that pollute, are they on the country of productions problem ? ofcourse not, its we who are using them. If you are to reduce co2 in the world, go for the big polluters ... they are the key, without getting them to reduce their emissions we have no chance in hell to save the enviroment. Instead of claiming that Norway pollutes more than China because of Per Capita.

[@LoremIpsum1970]

Just wait for Australia to say how green they are...though the argument is that they're not the ones burning the exported gas and coal...

[@1knightinbangkok946]

Australia only contributes 1.4% of the world's CO2 emissions. Fairly Green compared to most 1st world nations. Norway might be suitable for EVs, Australia is not...

[@geirmyrvagnes8718]

@@1knightinbangkok946 Australia is perfect for EVs. Free solar power everywhere and no blizzards. What are you on about? Why would you haul tons of liquid fuels into a free energy paradise? I see how people would think EVs would be a bad idea in Norway, but since that obviously works now, does that suddenly mean that it only works in Norway? Weird logic.

[@fredrik3685]

Norway, Iceland, Sweden, The Nederlands have more than three times as many EVs per capita than the US.

[@MrSkeptik-z5r]

So, that's why my fridge is warm and my radio crackles

[@bambangl]

Ironically Norway is a big oil and gas exporter, with 20% of it's economy coming from there. To wean off from that major revenue source will be a bigger challenge.

[@leiflillandt1488]

Not really, they only need to stop or reduce buying assets around the world.

[@mariannepedersenhagen6760]

No, we have found phosphate ❤

[@marcinrucinski]

How can you be net zero finansing net zero goal from oil. Crazy!

[@mitchellcrane9809]

its called virtue signaling

[@jdmather5755]

How does Norway generate most of their electricity?

[@stephensharp975]

its nearly all Hydropower, something like 90%+

[@jdmather5755]

@@stephensharp975 And there you go. This isn’t rocket science.

[@geirmyrvagnes8718]

@@jdmather5755 You know, electric cars can also run on electricity from wind, solar, nuclear, coal, lovely Norwegian "natural" gas or a billion hamsterwheels with generators. You do you, it's not rocket science.

[@silveriver9]

By sabotaging nordstreem.

[@pmackin1959]

I think the point of this story is tha we are a world in a state of transition when it comes to transportation technology. There is a tendency to judge this as “correct” vs “incorrect” or “successful” vs “failed”. Very likely we will move toward an EV based transportation infrastructure but, and the video makes this clear as well, we will also increase our use of public transit, mundane things like bicycles in cities. That process has also begun as well.

[@leiflillandt1488]

You are right. We are only at the beginning of the transition. There is much talk about EVs, but maybe the revolution is the electric bicycles after all.

[@demil3618]

If it comes to climate action the shift just need to be from fossil to anything non-fossil- regardless of the technology used. EVs in China run on fossil electricty e.g.

[@happyatheists9361]

thanks Norway !

[@spaceshipearth356]

For what? Producing oil? 😂

[@rinzler9775]

Wow, in eight years when all the batteries are at their life end, they sure will have a lot of toxic waste to dispose of.

[@DWREV]

Thanks for watching. As you suggested battery recycling is not easy, but more and more technical advances have meant it is becoming more viable. We made a video about it here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3K1dIprncaDaZYsi=Xb9OCTAdYdrewfEg

[@mariuszcieslak3667]

They will send it to 3rd world coutries for recycling. Problem solved.

[@takuan650]

If all cars and trucks in the world would run on batteries right now it would reduce emissions by about 7%. There is a long EV road ahead of us.

[@davidmenasco5743]

The EV transition is one essential part of a much larger plan to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Our World in Data says that road transport accounts for 15% of total CO2 emissions. Elsewhere I have heard 12%, but perhaps that's in reference to total greenhouse gas emissions. At present, the EV transition cannot eliminate all of those emissions due to the use of fossil fuels to make the cars and to generate some of the electricity. But as these processes increasingly become cleaned up through electrification, greater use of wind, solar and other renewables, and as other changes are made such as localization of mines and refineries, the emissions associated with EV production and operation will go down to near zero. Then they will fully offset that 12% or 15%. Meanwhile, the transition of the grid to renewables, and the electrification of many industrial processes, will further reduce emissions. There are numerous other parts to the plan, but studies have shown that the EV transition is actually the only one likely to come very close to reaching it's goals in the time frame originally envisioned.

[@BlackHawkTejas]

Not so easy! First need to increase power generation, then install Chargers, then battery recycling centre, enough batteries to power each vehicle!!

[@Brian-om2hh]

But one day oil will run dry and will be no more, so the sooner we begin the journey down this long road, the better......

[@Andersljungberg]

It is probably in Norway as in Sweden that most electric cars are sold in the big cities where the average salary is higher. And at least in the northern parts of the country and in the countryside

[@LonglingEriksen]

do they get more paid for the same jobs in the south?

[@logitech4873]

EVs are popular and common all across the country.

[@thorium222]

Every country could do it just like Norway, reducing taxes on EVs and increasing them on ICE cars. That needs to happen asap for the benefit of all people, even if there are way too many people that are too dumb and manipulated to understand that.

[@DWREV]

So you're saying that even less-rich countries could adopt the same policies as Norway to spur the adoption of EVs?

[@demil3618]

@@DWREV I think that governments should not force EVs on people e.g. through taxation. My ICE uses waste vegoil and this is one way of going non-fossil. And I don't need a new rolling computer for that. And electricity is just a different way of powering vehicles. In China they use coal-generated electricity, fossil electricity. *Conclusion:* There are many ways to get off fossil fuels and we should see diversity of tech. old and new and not have governments push one solution. Not the way vehicles are powered is important but the source of energy is!

[@Jetiexperte]

DW: Fiat Panda! Also DW: Shows Volkwagen Golf

[@bardz0sz]

People really don’t want to give up their horse and buggy. People, let it go, it’s time

[@i6power30]

It's not the same analogy.. EVs can't fully replace ixe cars for all use csees. Not yet with the current level of charging infrastructure and battery technology

[@tarant315]

​@@i6power30but buying an Ice car today is stupid because nobody will want it in 10 years time. I bet that petrol price will be double in 2034

[@ahah1785]

sure il do that if you pay for a new battery in 6-8 years time...my current car is 37 years old and still drives great.

[@i6power30]

@@ahah1785 yeah but your government may tax the fuel so heavily that you won't be able to afford to run your fossil car anymore

[@Mental707]

@@i6power30 no i just bought a petrol car and can drive in every city and only pay 180 euro tax a year.. Petrol is 1.6 euro /liter, for 65 euro i can drive 1000 km.. That´s from belgium to the south Of france where i can go on vacation with the money i saved buying a ice car.. don´t let the media, your gouvernement or this stupid docu let you think you need an ev, you don´t! The car Cost me 27.000 euro vs the electric version 43.000 euro.. that´s a difference of 16.000 euro saved to do nice things.. ordinary people can´t buy 40.000 euro cars

[@audriusa5368]

Brave country, meaning a lot of minus temperatures there, so reduced range of EV, slower charger rate on some models. Here in UK year average temperature +12C and EV sales only 15%... UK government killed it, put some 20% tax on public chargers, so run EV in UK now more expensive than ICE car...

[@amilton1015]

B Y D - any space for - build your dream -

[@rvarsigfusson6163]

Most of them that bought EV did it manly because of the benefits. Free roads, No road taxes, Free parking, Half corporate taxes if you did have an EV as a private/company car AND so on. Just benefits for the privileged people

[@rubbersoul3723]

American watching from the State of Rhode Island in the U.S.-another great doc DW-hm-quite a paradox-Norway is essentially running a Methadone clinic (EV adoption)-while funding the clinic by selling Heroin (fossil fuels).

[@Project_88]

absolutely ! same as funding a drag addict treatment clinic by selling heroin, and yet calling it all "great achievement", "zero emissions" and the rest of greenwashing like that.

[@metrotrujillo]

is called wisdom, transition, you do it no matter what with what you got you can sit on your sofa and do nothing, thats an option too

[@peterpanimg]

Interesting perspective @rubbersoul. Per a list on Worldometer (and similar figures on Wikipedia), Norway's per capita CO2 emissions are at 8.3 tons, higher than the global average of 4.76, and higher than China's per capita of 7.44. And the EV growth is related to their fossil fuel, forestry, fishery and mining industries. What part should serve as an inspiration/example? Electrification? But that seems to be based on industries that are polluting the world, e.g. recent oil exploration okayed in Jan by Norway per news. Would Norway been able to do it by giving up those? Would it even be interested to do this in that case?

[@metrotrujillo]

@@peterpanimg so on top of what norway pollutes with minning selling oil and nat gas, they should also pollute more using combustion engines? good logic

[@metrotrujillo]

@danielhalachev4714 so better do nothing to make you happy, keep burning oil mate, and pay more for it.

[@hanshoolmans3728]

Good for Norway. If your country has "free" energy by means of hydropower like Norway, then you can do the same trick. In the rest of Europe EV's are powered by gas or coal fired powerplants. Norway is an excellent land to export your used and disliked EV's.

[@geirmyrvagnes8718]

EVs will run happily on electricity from coal, too. No problem.

[@Pale4bass]

Amazing Norway!

[@macbuff81]

Norway is one of the biggest oil producers in the world

[@jandmath]

And?

[@l.e.i.4111]

EVs in Norway it's like a drop of sweet water in the salty ocean. When do you estimate to make a documentary about all cars are fully EVs in Africa or Asia? 100 years? 😃😃

[@leotek..]

for the big picture look at china. the global automotive industry is changing faster than you realise.

[@weird-guy]

Africa I agree it will be various decades especially if the Saudis get they way, in Asia I think it will be quicker although they prefer ev motorcycles with batteries exchange stations.

[@beehappy7797]

Your knowledge is equal to zero.

[@7_of_9]

I would like to see what happened with asthma and other diseases caused by pollution after electric vehicles became a thing!!!!!!!!

[@LonglingEriksen]

i feel better, less medication

[@bilgetigin]

easy to do when you're a petrostate

[@jaaklucas1329]

Ill flip that script for you....If youre not a petro state do you know where your oil comes from? Think of what kind of governments you are enabling like Russia or the Saudis.

[@RealConstructor]

An electric vehicle is a luxury commodity, EVs are about 25 to 50% more expensive than regular cars. I don’t have a car of my own, I drive a company car, a hybride. In about a year I have to order a new car and the choice is only EV. No (plug-in) hybrid or regular cars anymore. I can’t afford to buy an EV myself, despite a government subsidy, so when I retire I will buy a regular car if those are allowed to be sold anymore in my country. About 30% of car sales are EVs, and about 10% of cars in The Netherlands are EVs. That’s lower than in Norway because EVs are bought by rich people or companies, not by regular people earning median salaries. Luckily there are more cheap Chinese EVs coming to Europe so European car manufacturers will have to lower their insane high prices if they want to sell to common people.

[@Stef.Cata051]

It's so easy, you just have to be rich

[@SupraSav]

And stupid. Why is everyone rushing to own a vehicle with less range, that sees more maintenance in it's first year and could be controlled by nefarious entities.

[@Project_88]

and to be rich you must sell lot's of oil and gas, like Norway does ! This is the catch!

[@hannes_k5666]

@@Project_88 Yeah, because you cannot become rich without having major natural resources. Oh wait, Japan, South Korea, Italy, Singapore, Belgium, Switzerland, and so on disagree.

[@hannes_k5666]

This was true for the beginnings or may still be true for luxury segment EVs. But having to spend under 10k USD for the newest EVs in China? I woudn't say that you necessarily have to be rich to afford such an EV. Or in Europe - Dacia Spring starting at around 13k EUR in many countries, also quite affordable if you ask me.

[@Project_88]

@@hannes_k5666 here we go again - so according to your reasoning Japan, Germany, S-Korea built their wealth on selling oil and gas, like Norway, right !

[@gosskamperis2016]

Bribery, Coercion and Abuse of Power

[@-DC-]

EV's are not the solution because Internal Combustion is not the problem.

[@FBAagent]

I have no idea about what you’re talking about. In absolute EVs not a solution. Humans are not a solution. We live , we consume so better if we didn’t exist. But since we exist, comparatively, EV is better than combustion engine in my opinion because they are more efficient and they don’t pollute locally compared to combustion engine.

[@georgepelton5645]

ICE doesn't have to be a problem. The stone age did not end because we ran out of stones.

[@Brian-om2hh]

Running out of oil in 25 to 30 years could be...... you got a plan for then?

[@weird-guy]

Off course the most environmentally way is walking then cycling,then electric scooter/bicycles, public transportation, then electric cars then ice cars ect But most people can’t or wont do long commutes by foot or cycling . Although I’m of the opinion that ev’s should have a weight tax because one person that buys a suv or truck without needing one do more damage and aren’t environmentally friendly imo

[@beehappy7797]

People like you are.

[@regnam503]

„There’s no ban but we’re going to tax them out of business”. Ah, Nordics.

[@SupraSav]

EV is definitely not the answer. It's completely unsustainable!!!!!!! Just look at the rare Earth materials it requires!!! Absolute foolishness! Hybrid is looking like the answer - AND our current vehicles could be converted to hydrogen. That is a substantial point, to be able to use current vehicles and not create waste of ALL current vehicles like EVs would do.

[@Project_88]

totally. And such a scam is well hidden and banned. not even mentioning that norway is exporting its carbon footprint to other countries. Exporting oil and gas and spending that money into ev infrastructure - such an immoral behavior to talk about 0 emissions after all that.

[@DWREV]

Interesting points. We understand your concerns about the use of rare Earth materials in EV production. There's no question we have to consider all aspects of sustainability. It's true that hybrid vehicles offer a promising transitional step towards cleaner mobility. And converting current vehicles to hydrogen is an intriguing idea. In the end, the infrastructure and cost-effectiveness will be crucial to making that idea succeed. It's good to keep a range of options open.

[@DWREV]

By the way, here's a report we did on hydrogen power a few years ago: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bpW2mKuXp6h1psksi=Rh8W_A9OGhZ1HBF3

[@Mr.B.Speedy]

@@DWREV Would you buy 3yrs old second hand iPhone? Will you buy a 3yrs old (out of warranty) second hand electric vehicle????

[@Project_88]

Not a solution, be it electric, hydro, hybrid or ICE. Non are sustainable and environmentally friendly. and who said that the only pollution is carbon pollutions. EVs are more toxic and damaging to the environment than any of fossil fuel cycle. Hydro- yet another big problem... Solution - cities and lifestyle that require no cars. For mid journeys - trams and busses, for short- bicycle, and for long ones- trains. All personal cars must become obsolete. A society where owning a car is not prestigious and bragging anymore. A society where only commercial cars and tracks are justified to exist. In many cities like Amsterdam this is already a realty. And in Denmark where owning a car, any car, is a luxury. Ofcs, most Germans, Japanese, Koreans and other car manufactures, as well as oil gangs will not agree as their economies, wealth and capital depend on it, but most personal cars must be banned and deleted form our lives. This is the solution.

[@goansunborn]

Unfortunately Norway has gone full steam into this climate ideology and is forcing it's citizens down this path or EV's for the quest of net zero. I'm disappointed living here that they are taking this approach and not letting people make up their own minds about how they transport themselves rather than pushing an ideological view point on the country.

[@Simon-dm8zv]

There is not time to let people chose themselves.

[@goansunborn]

@@Simon-dm8zv Therein lies the manipulation and the scam. Because people 'believe' in this ideology they will do whatever it takes to meet these insane measures. Even if they don't work. Even if they go against logic and common sense. Even if they make people broke, miserable and destroy the economy. As long as they meet the ideology. And the people that are pushing this are making insane amounts of money living in luxury. For thousands of years humans have come up with different things to obsess over that will bring an end to the world which have never happened. It's fear and an unhealthy need for control that drives this. Be careful what you believe in and who is telling you to believe in it.

[@miro20cm]

Who killed who?My 2006 BMW 318i is running like it should be.

[@abhijith_mb]

"I have a horse cart. This is enough. I don't need a motor vehicle running on unreliable gasoline" - A normal chap in 1920

[@shawnm2405]

​@@abhijith_mbhorses are more environmentally friendly than gas and electric. What's your point

[@SupraSav]

@@abhijith_mb Did those carts have a chance of exploding/igniting on accident, potentially trapping and killing the drivers? According to NHTSA 9/10 deaths last year involved a EV. EV battery fires do NOT go out, you crash, you burn. Also, if you scratch the COVER of the EV battery, you could write off your car, just ask Hyundai. EVs are not ready for mass consumption, and the fools that are buying them now are simply part of the R&D cycle. Edit: I didn't even touch on EV charging station issues, and how battery range cuts in 1/3 in the cold.

[@abhijith_mb]

@@shawnm2405 I thought it was clear... See ICE was the clear step in the next direction when it came to transportation... But many people back in the day rejected it, just like people now reject EVs. The point is, fossil fuels are limited, the next step is electric. So if you can't think of yourself driving an electric car, you are just like a man who rejected ICE back in 1920.

[@okwatever3582]

@@shawnm2405my horses are environmentally friendly because they fertilize the streets every now and then

[@Twikkilol]

The main reason we have so many electric cars, is because its exempt from taxing, and has other benefits. It has nothing to do with the country want to push the EV standard.

[@Project_88]

Exporting oil and gas and spending that money into ev infrastructure - such an immoral behavior to talk about 0 emissions after all that. The same as saying UAE or Saudis investing in ev infra and targeting 0 emissions by 2035.

[@hannes_k5666]

To conclude this: So no country should ever try to change or set up ambitious goals?

[@Project_88]

@@hannes_k5666 how did you come to such conclusion ? fantastic reasoning!

[@hannes_k5666]

​@@Project_88 Thank you, I just connected the dots you laid out for us.

[@Project_88]

@@hannes_k5666 sorry, but your lacking of fundamental critical reasoning skills does not allow me to continue any further And for the same reason you take your own words as granted and out of question, like "ambitious goals" - who said that replacing one pollution (ICE) with another yet even more dangerous pollution (EVs) is an ambitious goal? Meantime, Norway and 0 emissions is the same as funding a drag addict treatment clinic by selling heroin, and yet calling it all "ambitious goals" or "achievement".

[@metrotrujillo]

when you buy oil and gas you are the one burning it, dont blame the seller, you are the problem

[@valkaielod]

They still have a large petrol industry. When they push that well below 1% of their GDP they will have transitioned. How would that work for them financially?

[@leiflillandt1488]

The Norwegians don't really need the oil and gas for themselves (any more). For the time being, of course many people are working in the oil and gas industry, but if they have a slow transition that will not be a big problem. Most of the money that comes from oil and gas (nowadays) goes to buy assets all over the world. If it were used within the country the inflation would skyrocket! As Norway has a quite well educated population, they understand what measurements the government needs to take to keep the inflation "down" because they want to have other "industries" than oil and gas too.

[@luffirton]

It won’t, that’s why they will continue to explore and search for more oil and gas, while hopefully start to incentivize and invest in new high margin industries to shift there economy’s dependence on oil and gas. That’s not done over night, but hopefully a long term strategy they have.

[@davidboskett5581]

It is an irony that Norway's wealth comes from selling fossil fuels to other countries with the profit (taxes) allowing the government to heavily subsidize EV"S .But good on them for doing so and to overcome the myth that they are not suitable in a cold climate. However other countries would have difficulty doing the same not having the same wealth .But it is just a matter of time as EV" become cheaper and with a longer range helping to alleviate some of the charging problems

[@jonnor6883]

this is a common myth. Only 3% of the income from oil/gas are used inside Norway. Rest is placed outside Norway and the Norwegian population don't see this money. The fact is that if we remove oil/gas from our GDP would we still be about the same size as Sweden and Denmark. And Norway have a very high taxation system and it's this that makes us subsidise EV's. Still it is an irony that an oil producing country invest in eco friendly infrastructure like EV. We green wash our country.

[@zdzislawmeglicki2262]

The inhabited part of Norway is a small patch in the south of the country, around Oslo. It enjoys mild oceanic climate, and the distances between towns are relatively small. Also, public transport of quality is pretty much available everywhere, so you can function there without owning a car. The population of Norway is quite small too, less than 5.5 million. All of this makes Norway unique, hardly an example for other countries, least of all the US, Canada, Australia, where people drive over long distances frequently, climate is extreme, and public transport is often non-existent.

[@4literv6]

The average U.S. driver does 37 miles a day SMDH.

[@zdzislawmeglicki2262]

@@4literv6 The average US driver takes his car on holidays and may even cross the country on this occasion. He may drive hundreds of miles to see his mom every now and then too.

[@4literv6]

@@zdzislawmeglicki2262 really wow thanks for that useless blather! 😂

[@zdzislawmeglicki2262]

@@4literv6 It's not "blather." It's an important observation. For an average American driver, his car is used for more than just commuting to work or doing errands around town. Even if he drives long distance, say, four times a year only, since there is no public transport to rely on, he depends on his car for this task too. If the car can't do this conveniently and without fuss, it's no good, is it?

[@hadtopicausername]

"The inhabited part of Norway is a small patch in the south of the country, around Oslo." Well, that's just blatantly wrong.

[@willeisinga2089]

All EV Cars in Norway made in China. Thank You China ❤️ Affordable Reliable Beautiful. Tesla Norway produced in Gigafactory Shanghai. Waiting for BYD Seagull 10.000 Dollar EV and Wuling Bingo 10.000 Dollar EV. And NIO SwapNGo Stations.

[@trainman9119]

Norway’s sovereign wealth fund maxim on oil and gas: Get it while you can!

[@greghenderson6011]

Meanwhile….. they export oil and natural gas to other countries roughly 25% of their gdp… what is good for the goose is not good for the gander.. climate goal for Norway… speak truth people.

[@jandmath]

What’s your point? Should Norway abolish EV’s because of their oil exports? The world still needs oil, and if Norway didn’t extract it, someone else would.

[@greghenderson6011]

My point is don’t make Norway an example of a low carbon emission country when they derive a high portion of their income from selling oil and natural gas. I have no problem with electric vehicles and appreciate Norway purchasing Teslas. This country is often used as a utopia for special interests.

[@jandmath]

@@greghenderson6011 As long as the oil and gas isn’t consumed within Norway itself, I think it would actually be fair to say it’s a low carbon emission country. This is how these stats work. However, Norway has a high per capita carbon footprint in general, because of the relative high living standard and the consumption that follows.

[@KaiPonte]

this is interesting. however, the population of Norway is less than that of the city in the United States (Los Angeles) that I live. we need to have larger population areas like Germany or India to move to EV's.

[@paulbrowne6087]

The world is moving towards zero emission fleets at an accelerating pace. Vehicle manufacturers are offering a huge array of EV's compared to just a few years ago and it's only going to get bigger. Only Ford and GM, ego due to shock holder pressure to maintain short term profits seem to be going backwards which is short sightedb when every other manufacturer is increasing their EV model line up. I predict Ford and GM to lose even more market share over time.

[@Mental707]

@@paulbrowne6087 vw aren´t getting theirs sold.. what do expect?.. average people can´t buy 40k+ euro cars

[@KaiPonte]

@@paulbrowne6087 valid point! Big Oil is a tough beast to take down. I live in Los Angeles, which used to be one of the epicenters for oil company expansion. (See There Will Be Blood with Daniel Day Lewis.)

[@beehappy7797]

Everyone will buy electric cars when the prices become cheaper than ICE cars. And it's right around the corner.

[@NikolaiBeier]

Search for statistics on ev sales. Globally in 2023, 15 % of new cars sold were electric. In China, 33 % of new cars were electric. That is a big population.

[@hikikomori69]

Those numbers aren’t that “bonkers” when you consider more EVs were sold in the SF bay area than all of Norway in 2022. Norway just has a tiny population. That being said, good job Norway!

[@EnricoCicilloni]

Norway situation is very peculiar and not applicable to all countries. For example, Norway is larger than Italy, but has less than a tenth of its population (5.5 millions against 60 millions of Italy), so it is obvious that they are able to provide sufficient electricity for everyone exclusively through renewable energy, as it is obvious that everyone can benefit from tax exemptions. Right now it would be absolutely impossible to replicate the same thing in Italy.

[@geirmyrvagnes8718]

It could easily be done in Italy if it wasn't for the local car industry competing with Toyota at being backward. There is electricity in Italy. Tax breaks work there, too. It takes decades to replace all the cars on the road, so it doesn't matter at all that a country is not ready NOW for 100% electric cars. Nobody is. But if the politicians are smart about it, they can at least try to not make their own country a backwater in the inevitable changes that are happening. Italy has built spectacular amounts of high-speed rail in this century, as an example. Moving away from importing oil for powering cars is easy and cheap compared to that.

[@EnricoCicilloni]

@@geirmyrvagnes8718 Local car manufacturer are trying to keep up with Tesla and with chinese competition... Even Fiat is pushing a lot for the EV conversion, launching a lot of new models, some of them available only with electric propulsion (500, 600, new Lancia Y, etc). But still it's not enough. Prices are too high even with financial contributions and the infrastructures are few and scarse. For example, it's really difficult for those who live in a condominium to buy an electric car, because they often don't even have a space where they can park it, let alone know where to recharge it. And our cities are packed with apartment buildings. Let's not even talk about the growth in electricity production. In order to satisfy the growing need for electricity we should increase production by at least 7 GW per year for the next 20 years, exclusively from renewable sources, but we are still very far from this goal. This year, which was the best ever in terms of production growth, we installed only 3 GW from renewable sources. I repeat, one thing is to satisfy the needs of 5.5 million people, but to satisfy those of 60 million people is another thing entirely. And I think Germany, France, Spain and UK are facing quite similar problems.

[@i6power30]

Italy is one of those countries with car making heritage as is Germany, Japan and United States are all very slow in EV adoption.. because people have fond memories and attachments to their old rumbling engine cars and stories from their grandparents

[@geirmyrvagnes8718]

@@i6power30 I can assure you that Norwegians have the same fond memories, they are just not linked to nationalism and backed by an automaker lobby or an automaker union lobby, since we don't have significant Norwegian car brands.

[@EnricoCicilloni]

For those who live in Italian cities it's very difficult to own an EV because most of them don't even have a garage, nor a place where to recharge it.