Has Science Disproved Biblical Claims? w/ Tim Staples

[@dennis26091985]

Its the same way we say, my world fell apart, when we are in the bad situation, and nothing is going are way.

[@jperez7893]

When genesis was written the content of the narrative came from sumeria. The whole world according to the sumerians only consisted of the immediate valley and areas bear the 2 rivers. So as far as the sumerians were concerned, the whole world flooded. The world map of the sumerians can be seen in the British museum. The world was tiny back then

[@terrymunoztrujillo483]

Lucky for us all, Science is true no matter what we believe!

[@michaelwyka9585]

Well said. Thank you.

[@HarleyGirl75]

Tim Staples is top notch. 😎

[@carnivalwholesale9809]

The answer from Tim Staples IS NOT top notch, its POST AD HOC RATIONALIZATION

[@femmcclure2213]

Or...you could believe in the inerrancy of scripture and the overabundant wealth of science (DNA, geological, archeological, etc.) which supports it. I will never try to fit the Bible into man's understanding, but instead will bend my own understanding toward God's perfect word.

[@carnivalwholesale9809]

There is no science that supports the global flood

[@ji8044]

@@carnivalwholesale9809 You are correct.

[@carnivalwholesale9809]

@@ji8044 which is why the bible stories and Christianity are false

[@ji8044]

@@carnivalwholesale9809 I am just addressing the video, not trying to win a religious war, which is where we differ.

[@frank2453]

This is true, but when you understand that scientific study is only a tool to understand God's creation, you realize you don't have to be ignorant of it. It deepens my faith when I learn how complex the material and observable are, and I am struck with reverent awe at God's genius. Also, innerancy of scripture has some specifics. To put it simply, in matters of science and history in scripture, the Holy Spirit only means to teach inerrantly in those matters which are profitable for salvation.

[@cv5369]

This is amazing and mind blowing

[@carnivalwholesale9809]

Its not, Tim Staples is doing POST AD HOC RATIONALIZATION to excuse the mistakes in the bible

[@soulfire2588]

@@carnivalwholesale9809 Not really. As Catholics, we do not take many sections of the bible literally. Like say... nearly all of Genesis for instance. The idea that the bible is completely inerrant as read literally is something certain (but not all) Protestant denominations believe, not us. We see nothing wrong with believing certain sections are meant to be allegorical or metaphorical. Tobit is another example of this. Why do you believe the bible should be read literally or not at all?

[@carnivalwholesale9809]

@@soulfire2588 Then If you do not take parts of the bible literally, you need to show a reliable method by which we should take parts of the bible literally and the other parts NOT literally. FURTHERMORE, not only is the GLOBAL FLOOD disproven by modern science but the myth of Adam and Eve as well. Which that disproves the concept of Original Sin and ULTIMATELY disproves the need for Jesus to die on the cross.

[@soulfire2588]

​@@carnivalwholesale9809 The fact that Adam and Eve MAY not have been actual people and rather that the tale was meant to be metaphorical doesn't disprove that humanity lost our way and required a savior. I'm Catholic and yet I believe in the Big Bang, evolution, and think the flood was likely localized. I see nothing contradictory in any of this. Also, we Catholics DO have a reliable method- the magisterium and sacred tradition. But since you don't recognize them as authoritative and have determined that because some parts of the bible may be metaphorical means that none of it can be relied upon, there isn't really anything I can say to convince you otherwise.

[@femmcclure2213]

​@soulfire2588 speak for yourself. I'm a devoted cradle Catholic from an old Catholic family and have never held that point of view. I never even heard it until the Internet sprung forth voices like these in the video.

[@jonathandnicholson]

Even as I believer I found this video to be patronising and incorrect. The Bible is the Word of God. The meaning of the story is somewhat more interesting than the language a weatherman uses.

[@james8583]

I dig Tim but he is doing what many protestants do to fit their narrative. Ill ply with words now but not later et al. Maybe all those "religions" got the story, somewhat, from the writers or speaker's of the bible. Lastly, so God told Noah to build an ark and take in all animals but not really. God wanted people 5 and 6 thousand years later to come along and say none of this happened and i was fooling Noah and all the people back then. The thing is, animals and science proves there was a global flood. The church writers were concerned more with Jesus and His teachings and if the old testament prophesied the comeing of the Lord and how the laws were similar or different.

[@rogueraven1333]

What Tim is saying is exactly why I left the faith in my youth. If what he is saying is true then the bible is not infallible and is flawed and therefore not the reliable word of God. Tim is doing more harm than good with his stance. Science even proves the global flood. He is correct that the church allows his flawed view but he should not teach it since it inspires lots of people to leave and hardly anyone to join.

[@ji8044]

There is no proof whatsoever of a global flood, sorry.

[@femmcclure2213]

My thoughts exactly. It's difficult to remain a Catholic when this is the (dangerous) attitude some Catholics have. Fortunately, I know better about the Church and know that this attitude FAR from represents it.

[@carnivalwholesale9809]

@@rogueraven1333 science DOES NOT PROVE A GLOBAL FLOOD! The Theory of Evolution cannot be true and the Global Flood to be true.

[@byrondickens]

You really ought to try paying better attention and maybe learning something. It takes about a minute and a half to find out what the Catholic Church means by inerrancy.

[@ji8044]

The people who wrote the Bible believed in what they wrote. We know they were wrong but for instance when the Torah was written the Hebrews believed their ancestors lived much longer lives than they themselves did. They didn't think it was just an expression that Joshua stopped the sun, like a weatherman. They believed it because they didn't have any astronomical awareness. You are passing off something as inconsequential that they took very seriously.

[@carnivalwholesale9809]

which proves Tim Staples's religious convictions to be false

[@ji8044]

@@carnivalwholesale9809 I'm not commenting on his religious convictions but upon his misunderstanding of the history

[@carnivalwholesale9809]

@@ji8044 They are both in the same

[@ji8044]

@@carnivalwholesale9809 That is your conclusion.

[@carnivalwholesale9809]

@@ji8044 That is DEMONSTRABLE, and this makes his religious convictions FALSE!

[@kirbysmith4135]

I am a Baptist and almost never agree with anything said on CA, but you got this one right. 😉

[@carnivalwholesale9809]

@@kirbysmith4135 Then you woukd be a fool as Baptists are Young Earth Creationist

[@kirbysmith4135]

@carnivalwholesale9809 We are? That's news to me. I'm not. Maybe you need to meet some other Baptists. And read what I said, my reply would negate any implication that I am a young earther. Also, I'd be careful about calling other people fools. It's not really helpful for healthy dialog. BTW, would is spelled with an l, not a k. And you needed to use the plural for Creationist to go along with the Baptists subject of your sentence.

[@carnivalwholesale9809]

@@kirbysmith4135 childish spellcheck in order to obfuscate. SOUTHERN BAPTIST are Young earth creationist, along with most non denominational fundagelical Christian Churches which are basically baptist churches. The problem with YOUR view OF THE BIBLE AND TIM STAPLES, is that you have to show the mechanism you have in order to tell what parts of the bible to take seriously and what parts of the bible to NOT take seriously.

[@jerryjurczenko3404]

@jerryjurczenko3404 53 seconds ago (edited) question - God outright says in the Bible that he puts those in power and that there is no power but of God (Romans 13:1). So I wonder why people suggest we should vote when God says he chooses already and is in complete control