Has Season of Discovery Become TOO Boring? | Staysafe Reacts

Staysafe reacts to "Has Season of Discovery Become TOO Boring?" by Smoothjaz Gaming TV
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[@havoc3135]

Why do people let Blizzard, get away with so few content? In 1 year they used to make an entire expansion (remember how WOTLK released in 2008, after TBC just came out in 2007?). They are a multi-billion dollar company guys. TurtleWoW has 10x more content and they are 5 unpaid people in a basement. How is it possible, that we still give them excuses?

[@Bossbabyy99]

Fucking amen dude

[@darylsdog9521]

Well why do you let them get away with it? Just unsub

[@Valentyn90A]

Honestly, you underestimate how much 5 unpaid people in a basement can do vs the usual 9-5 work mindset in a corporate structure. I'd say the difference could be in orders of magnitude... this is also how start-ups operate.

[@A_Goat]

@@Valentyn90A Yeah, I have to agree with that. Majority of the decisions are made by the creative director and corporate overlords.

[@lightner6924]

All the Vannila fans acting like children. They want their beloved nostalgia to come back but it can't.

[@hunterrodriguez-tf7im]

Phase 1 felt like 2004. Phase 3 feels like 2020.

[@lightner6924]

Retail is far better than Vannila.

[@hallajavel]

Sod has to be the laziest "classic plus" they can do

[@joelhodoborgas]

Yeah, their idea of classic+ is turning it into retail lol

[@Bloodnsugaryt]

Still waiting for Scarlet Crusade Raid........

[@michaelmoran2125]

My understanding is that is fiction now.

[@fenicksdoun7356]

Hey said it was just theory during p2 when asked. They said the initial concepts were just that. When asked in p2 where SM raid was (this was shown along side Kara crypts) they said that they were only just adding to the hype before sod release and things presented just cannot be added.

[@michaelmoran2125]

@fenicksdoun7356 what a pile of...

[@peppermint3808]

No one cares about that some trash scarlet raid.

[@neugassh3570]

They proved with sod that they are completely clueless...we wont get a proper classic+ from blizz ever.

[@jasonmorgan27]

The future lies in pservers. Blizzard is dead, has been for a long time now

[@shaneprince6572]

@@jasonmorgan27 Retail is the best its been in years and has over 7 mil subs. No one plays classic bro, grow up

[@jasonmorgan27]

@@shaneprince6572 Ya fuck you gatekeeping pricks. Tried it and quit

[@joelhodoborgas]

@@jasonmorgan27 If the future is playing on pirate servers with the old client with "GMs" selling items pay to win via discord im done with wow.

[@SecretClubVideos]

Phase 7 gonna be like AQ40 is now a 20 man raid, AQ20 is now a 40 man raid. Bug mounts will be ridable anywhere in silithus. Rogues can now use Axes if they do a 40 part chain. AQ40 automatically unlocked (your welcome). Adding purchasable trispec.

[@Kromatt]

they should have released Season of Discovery later when they had content laid out, and would allow for each phase to be around 1 to 1.5 months, so we have something to do quickly and not just wait around . 4 weeks of raiding , is good enough to move on . This experiment was best when we were exploring the world, and when we have to pause after about a week, it's just raid log out to the next one, as not many people wanted to do alts , then it's bad design , because the world is already so old, like how many times can you play the same thing, before you get bored ?

[@fritzschnitzmueller3768]

Yep, I hope they never do level bands again. That kinda destroyed the game for me.

[@Trazynn]

The level bands are what made the game. Phase 1 saw crowded starting areas for months. And not just all as maxed out lvl 25's in full gear, but also all their alts going through it again. It was beautiful.

[@Deathrydar]

People are finally starting to realize what I said the first day SoD was announced: This is NOT classic plus, this is the opposite of classic plus as it rewrites everything we loved about classic. I think the chance to have new content put a pair of rose tinted glasses on ya'll.

[@Talix.]

SoD came out in NOVEMBER. The fact that we have only had THREE phases so far is ridiculous. SEVEN months just to start leveling at 50. Blizzard putting the same team on SoD and Cata is disgusting. Whoever the higher up is that thought that was a good idea deserves to be fired.

[@jasonmorgan27]

Its 2024 in America bro, they will get a big promotion. Wait until the depression hits next year, then you will have real problems

[@cococock2418]

You can't judge it by looking at the DEAD END of the worst, longest phase of the game. Obviously it's going to have a huge influx come P4 because that's the only phase people really have ever cared about. Tons of people were just waiting for the 60 meta. No one cares about leveling, they're interested in the end game. Grey parsing clowns who care about leveling play on era with the other 20 people who care about it. Another thing is that certain classes have underwent complete transformations from 25 to 60 and a lot of people just preferred to wait for them to iron things out so that they can come into the game at max level when everything is mostly set in stone. Look at paladins for example. Ret paladin has not had a clear vision the entire duration of SoD. It started P1 as a meta TANK using slow big weapons, transitioned to exorcism spam with crowd pummeler in p2, continued using crowd pummeler and a 2.0 speed fast wep in p3, they then tried to insinuate that twisting was going to come back and be meta, it didn't, and now in p4 theyre getting completely reworked again. There's nothing even remotely similar if you compared 25 ret to 60 ret. That being said, there needs to be more than just "here's 20 man versions of the 40 man raids". That's good and all but we need NEW content. Not having a scarlet crusade raid is unacceptable. From all I see, there's only a new instance waiting for us at launch, but no new raids unless you consider instanced world bosses new "Raids". A true classic plus has to have completely new content, but using the systems from classic we all know and love. It cannot just be 90% the same old raids just with added difficulty. Not to mention, what is the end goal here? When we get up to Naxx in SoD, what's next for SoD?

[@RansomtheRich]

My main problem with SOD is that, it’s the most toxic community in wow by far.

[@clamb3076]

They kept us in Ashenvale too long. I had no interest logging back in after being capped at 25 for so long. I didn't really care for the gated content. The reworked raids were cool, but not worth being stuck at that level cap for weeks on end. I would even prefer a fresh classic exp instead of SoD at this point. I would like to see a real classic + instead with just tweaks to the classes to make them more viable. I think they are on the right track with the runes though.

[@snuffeldjuret]

I would love to try a season of cooperation, just normal classic but all mobs are elite.

[@beornyondur4594]

Couple things. As much as we might not like GDKP. Its really the only thing that keeps good players coming back to raids which gives the opportunity for new players to run them. Phase 1 was the best part of SoD. Coming out with the next phase took to long. The changes for Phase 4 are not hype enough.

[@fenicksdoun7356]

The issue is the classic player hatred of micro transactions. We all seen that classic provides vertually no money to the company when they could have released some pet or mount in retail and made 3 times the amount all of classic has provided. So there is no reason to work hard on classic other than to keep retail player busy between those content draughts.

[@xXdnerstxleXx]

Season of discovery is everything I don't like about classic combined with many things I don't like about retail. The worst of both worlds. They completely thumbled it. Playing Classic Era instead again and cata classic after briefly gaining all rewards in Mop. Won't return to SoD.

[@andrewmoluf4299]

yeah just playing vanilla, it's like they listened to everything people wanted for classic + then just did something else instead

[@TheRealJonster]

As someone who didn't get to play Vanilla content back in the day since I started later, SoD has been fun for me, but I definitely see how recurring WoW players who have played th re-release of Classic back in 2019 would be dissatisfied with this. Phase 3 has been too long no matter how you look at it for anyone, and I wish they had pre-developed content like 6 months ahead of SoD phase 1, so they could introduce things quicker. Overall I am excited for phase 4, but I understand why so many have abandoned ship

[@Richard00H]

Quit shortly after phase 2. Would consider coming back if they had a new server that got rid of the new grinds like the world pvp events, reps, and runes. Just thinking about having to do those grinds to catch up is a huge deterence.

[@brandonwilson4740]

You can get 1-50 with a full set of gear, all runes, and about 3-400g in 3 days. If you can't handle that then you shouldn't play an mmo. They couldn't make it any easier without giving you everything upon login

[@Richard00H]

​@@brandonwilson4740 Dang, got to play 72 hours to be able to play the game...

[@Eiszahn]

I dont know if ill come back honestly. I still follow videos regarding SoD but P3 pretty much killed my excitement with garbage like incursions. I leveled 6 chars to 25 in P1 and geared 3 of them and played every day. I leveled 2 chars to 40 in P2 and geared 1 of them and played almost every day still. I leveled 1 char to 50 in P3, cleared the ST the first 3 lockouts and geared up during that time and just quit.

[@Solklar]

SoD is so poorly thought out, they just throw in 50 spells and hope for the best. Like, if they can't do anything right just contact the guys at turtle wow already that seems to capture the spirit of classic 100x better

[@farnsworthification]

blizzard has almost 20 years of content saved. all there nickel and dimming with sod or classic or retail they act like they cant figuring anything out is bogus. as a business they are smart having you all follow the slow incremental content promising you improvements knowing the improvements could have been done in the first place. its why i stop playing. i like wow been playing since 2005 but im hoping they do make a re-make . could be next year or 5 years from now its fine. if not its fine good things don't last forever and there will be a variety of adventure games to play.

[@Kromatt]

they could just use some ideas from retail, that could work in a classic setting, use those dungeon layouts to make new raids and implement bosses and enemies around that zone.

[@HushHushOG]

I got flamed for saying SoD was going to be a steaming pile of shit when it was announced. It was a pathetic attempt by Blizzard to cash in on the Classic+ hype from HardCore WoW. Anyone with half a brain knows how long it takes to create quality content, and there was no way in hell some rinkydink team was going to be able to deliver on that. The devs are so out of touch to what makes vanilla WoW great. It always felt like the project was meant to kill the Classic+ movement.

[@cococock2418]

There was zero evidence it was going to be bad before launch, so you deserved to get shit on. It still isn't bad, you're just a grey parsing clown. Vanilla wow is also the opposite of great.

[@benderbg]

WoW sub never brought more value for players since we can choose between 4 different versions of the game (Era, SoD, Cata, Retail). This also leads to WoW progress being less meaningful with communities split. I sincerely doubt SoD can recover at this point. Imagine being a returning player with 50g from p1 and with no raid items going into BRM for a pvp event or just trying to do a dungeon to gear up and get corpse camped 10 times before you go in. You can't find a good guild because you lack logs. You cant buy gear because you lack gold. You can't find old friends because most wont return and existing guilds dont want casuals that quit in between phases. At best there will be two remaining realms, one for each faction, just like in Cata until they decide to pull the plug. Most value SoD can bring for the future of WoW is by using all the collected data for the next season if they ever decide to bring some actual content instead of rune system alone.

[@Spyro-]

"remaining realms, one for each faction"? Are you talking about PvE servers? coz that's impossible in SoD PvP servers due to the faction balance system, which is the best thing that has came up from SoD coz it will be surely used in all future servers.

[@Straff_Dis]

Trust me it’s not so much the content droughts. It’s the balances of some classes being to op that it ruined all wpvp and PvP…

[@grahamwilliamson5306]

It's really disappointing to see no new raids to start phase 4... We had 8 raids in tbc and there's only 7(not including U/LBRS) in classic.. we could add 2 or 3 raids in the endgame and have it still fall in line with normal content releases. Hearthglen or maybe the demon scar should have had a raid added them

[@Anudorini-Talah]

Yes it become anything else but classic. It feels like retail with tons of overpowered spells and things that doesnt fit with the balance of the world anymore. It feels like a bad private server with unbalanced stuff

[@ebossnz6838]

Yeah with streamers revealing info as soon as they find out for content ruins it for others. The discovery is taken away for content. Just my opinion

[@RetiredMonolith]

Someone should do a reaction of stay safe doing a reaction of this video. Then another person should do another video adding a new layer of reaction.

[@NotTheWheel]

The space in between the phases has been too fricken long. Feels like forever for each phase to come out and you're done in two weeks. Also since Phase 1 we haven't discovered shit... taking runes and making them baseline abilities sort of ruins the whole past experience of finding them or collecting them with friends.

[@snuffeldjuret]

I only played phase 1. That was an absolute blast, but I assumed that would be the peak so never got onboard at phase 2.

[@theyondak6090]

The most disappointing thing have been alot of the runes..... same abilities ..... like vampiric touch.. mind spike .... unstable affl... cmon.. so damn booooriiiiiiiiiiing

[@yegor6763]

Yes because there is literally nothing to do in the damn game lol. Private servers are 100x better and way more transparent on top of it all.

[@aska221]

just make classic+/SOD soloable and it would be great OSRS progression system on wow engine would be the best game ever made. Because as long as you are FORCED to group up with randoms, it's going to be miserable experience. 90iq neanderthals can gatekeep you from doing piss easy content, simply because you're not doing something specific that they want. Whether it be previous xp achievements, or paying gold(RMT). I only played P1, and that was enough cancer for me. People telling me I need full bis to do a level 25 dungeon is mind boggling, and it says more about the community than it does about a single individual. Just scale all content down to being soloable, and groupable as an option. Then make the end game stuff (like raids) very difficult to learn and play. That way, the people who are actually good gets rewarded, and the neanderthals can enjoy doing their level 30 content forever if they want to. But that's never going to happen, so why would I ever sub to POS content from a POS company? Just log on rs instead lol

[@Fatesmaster]

I'm done with sod. Won't be back, the devs are bad at their jobs.

[@peppermint3808]

Yes you will, you will play SOD, you dooming losers are always extreme hypocrites. You were hypocrites in p1 and your hypocrites now

[@Crenshaw41]

There’s no way they actually think making MC 20 man and one extra dungeon is Classic plus lmao

[@cococock2418]

There's no way you're this stupid as to think that is the end of their plans?

[@jorghaider7202]

It is Sod and Not Classic+ you dumb fck

[@ThuGfunk]

Stopped SoD early p3. Did a little bit of Retail. Ended up coming back to HC WoW and it's the best version of the game. It's stil active and social, the true MMO classic experience where people are friendly, willing to help, look out for eachother. People care more about staying alive than parsing and it weeds out all the toxic players. I would love Era but with the inflated 2019 servers, it's not Classic WoW, it's swipe your credit card and buy full BiS.

[@peppermint3808]

HC wow is literally dead, but enjoy yourself

[@WWSzar]

Cata is the real classic plus

[@cococock2418]

cata is a snoozefest.

[@peppermint3808]

Cata is already dying game, but enjoy it!

[@imunfathomable]

If phase 4 doesnt revive, im out of WoW completely. Zero interest in retail or anything else

[@tmon3y777]

I quite when they banned gdkps instead of trying to stop bots, I did enjoy phase 1 though.

[@Whathefaqs]

It's not that season of discovery is boring, but rather they don't get their target at all. Since Phase 1 they couldn't decide whether SoD was for casual players or more hardcore players or players with more time to spend on the game, and they leaned on the second one in Phase 2 and on. Fact is, the game as it was and as it is sucks for somebody who wants more content, more balance and more devs engagement. They keep saying "we hear all your feedbacks", but either they're lying or they just don't care. They literally maimed entire specializations. Take the feral and balance druid or the shadow priest for example. They don't know what to do with these classes since they are leaning on a "retail-like" style of playing for them, since they are not targetting casual players with SoD. First and foremost, their player-base is totally wrong and this shows poor planning on their behalf.

[@cococock2418]

phase 1 was hardcore? do you live on a different planet?

[@Whathefaqs]

@@cococock2418 read before you speak

[@henriquedasilva3037]

so true, to boring, less played class specs totally left behind..

[@kerokupo]

cant believe staysafe becomes the last og vanilla player

[@undergroundsubway7023]

It’s not that it’s become boring. Hello stay safe by the way it was boring all along, but people were will to give it a chance for a little bit.

[@kidbengala8362]

sod is dead, remember som? it will end the same way

[@xarbinchaoticneutral1785]

short answer: yes long answer YEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSs

[@mrpotatohead321]

They spaced it out wrong as well. Should have been P1 level 25, P2 lvl 45, P3 lvl 60. Shit took way too long. They also botched the STV event and have yet to fix it 2 phases later, as well as incursions are fucking boring

[@Erianthor]

Honestly, they ought to just bundle WoW sub in with Xbox Gamepass and make fresh Classic servers to launch off for the opportunity!

[@Lanceloot91]

why do people make 1 week before new phase after CONTENT DROUGHT IN p3 a is sod boring vid?! its just that p3 was way to long and nothing was to do anymore

[@ToManyTwinkies]

This is what happens when you make content for streamers that don't plan to play more than 2 week stop making content for the top 5% just make is super easy but only hard for two people in raid so the other 38 player can watch in joy

[@ProfoundFamiliarity]

It seemed likely from the roadmap that average phase lengths would need to exceed two months although I think most people would have missed that because you almost had to draw on it yourself to work out which months everything would happen in. Plus it was only indicative. At around six months, I guess SoD actually retained players relatively well compared to say, Hardcore, which I found far more enjoyable but which ultimately lasted only around two months. While Hardcore felt like a huge success story, SoD has been let down by this perceived delay and lack of content, showing that Blizzard are still incapable of maintaining their products, even though SoD was itself only a cop out because they couldn't be bothered to make Classic+.

[@sandermorren6087]

Why do ppl only talk about the pve type of shit?? Isnt it stupid that you dont even have to do a bg to rank and gear up?? Oo

[@martinhusson4200]

they made molten core in a week and yet they cant give us a new raid after staling 6 weeks into phase 3

[@jasonmorgan27]

100% will NOT be coming back to SoD P4. Good luck plebs, this version is total trash

[@derknusperhase_ivi]

we live truly in the age before jesus comes back MULTI BILLION DOLLAR companies are only able to bring out 22 y old games and put in some random unbalanced spells insideof it that are instant andd cost 5mana for moonkin or so....THIS IS INSANE. we live in a world where the First time in human existance MONEY DOESNT SOLVE PROBLEMS !!!!

[@jasonmorgan27]

Its 2024 in America bro, they will get a big promotion the more bad they are. Wait until the depression hits next year, then you will have real problems

[@Crouder]

no way me and my guild are coming back to p4 lol

[@JohnSmith-ez5pw]

"New shit. Give us new shit"...based comment

[@georgeII420]

New shit is still 💩

[@makeitbleed9993]

My brand new pc can’t even open the game lol something about windows 11. It cost twice the price of my last pc and i cant even open a 20 year old game but i can play black desert online made in 2017 😐

[@SecretClubVideos]

They should have dropped arena and nerfed shadow priest. It's common sense.

[@Amp5150]

I unsubbed because of the raid lockout being stupid for the level cap

[@Humaster]

All I wanted was level 60, they dragged the phases on so long and the population is so dead, is it even worth trying 60. Im still not convinced to go back and most feel the same. 60 could be amazing and im not going to jump in later on.

[@gregjross852]

Well a lot of retail players will play it up until TWW then it’ll loose a decent chunk lol

[@brandonwilson4740]

I have been playing the whole time. Pugs still run every night. The people that stayed are chill. To be honest, idc if people like you come back. So sick of the whining and complaining. Go do something else.

[@Humaster]

@@brandonwilson4740 Been unsubbed for over a month touching grass. Not sure why you are hostile. I give an opinion and you are sour. You sure the people that are still playing are laid back? If you are the example. sus. Real sus.

[@fritzschnitzmueller3768]

​@@brandonwilson4740stop being a dick

[@peppermint3808]

@@Humaster Dont worry you disgusting piggie, you'll be back playing SOD. You people are always hypocrites. We already know Staysafe will be playing SOD as well and trying to watch echo chamber videos only proves more you people are hypocrites.

[@Karben22]

No new raid @ 60 was literally my issue. How TF they gonna do this to the community?

[@deanterry123]

New dungeon this phase new raid next phase

[@brandonwilson4740]

You got 2 world bosses on top of MC and Ony. The incessant whining is old.

[@darylsdog9521]

@@brandonwilson4740lmao

[@peppermint3808]

@@brandonwilson4740 Its just Classic era dads trying to think its the only thing that's good.

[@boristruth7912]

It is obvious, have you seen the graph? nobody is playing wow anymore phase 1 - 500k people, phase 3 - 40k people. I think Blizzard will not invest a lot of resources in a dead game.

[@ItsMrDon]

always has been. now just the hype died

[@tyjensen1559]

YES! until phase 4 comes out at least

[@georgeII420]

Content won't save the sweaty toxic community period

[@morkanz6998]

imagine paying 15$/month for this shite. no more

[@dustinmoon8282]

Of course SoD is too boring. No matter what they do with it its STILL vanilla and its getting very tired

[@SirLamo]

disagree, SoM was an Aplha, SoD is an alpha imo, call it cope all you like, but wow players expectations are far too high. they want EVERYTHING,,, NOW !

[@christophhermann9092]

Blizzard / Activision has 13000 employees in 2022... And you make excuses that they can not produce any new content for a 20 year old game with existing ideas, lore, engine etc...Molten Core took 1 week to create back in 2004.

[@michaelmoran2125]

Play 2 weeks of mc realize the war within got all the production money. Run m+ for a few weeks, realize the devs got lazy with affix variety in high keys, cry in holy pally.

[@antonkokic]

negativity sells

[@rubenloza1920]

Boring? Hard pass on that take. But did it all take way to long? Yes, yes it did, imo at least. Seasonal content is stretching into a year+ probably?

[@xythiera7255]

It didnt take to long . They just keep makeing classic into retail .

[@rubenloza1920]

@@xythiera7255 Sounds like phase 1. That seemed popular.

[@releasethequacken]

Haven't seen a video from you in over 2 months, then a friend sent me this channel. Did something happen with the other channel? Do I need to sub to this and unsub to that one?

[@staysafeArchive]

Staysafe's main channel still exists but he doesn't upload there that often because he is busy with stream and real life

[@matthewkeating-od6rl]

Great vid

[@monocerotis6917]

the answer is yes, becase they addding - Nightmare Incurious who destory the whole game!! most stupied pve system ever seen in wow classic!! never comes back before they take that crap away!!! stupied gameplay total braindead gameplay with ZERO social interaction with other players.

[@williammercurio9824]

If you want "new shit" stop playing CLASSIC...

[@sticknbox6157]

sod was the worst version of wow i have ever played

[@gianluca2944]

sod was always boring. the hype came from streamers

[@jasonmorgan27]

Its a joke. Its an Alpha. Its bad. I wont waste 1 minute coming back to play this trash. Just wait for classic+ when this Alpha is over,

[@andrejcagalj4089]

2 reasons for me . Too many damn bots wich makes anything you do wortless.and too pain in the ass to make alts and search for runes over and over again. It is cool but dont want to go around the world to get them more than once .And ofc one extra. People act like if you dont treat game like a job you are doing it wrong aka optimizing fun out of the game.

[@LucifeRxGoSu]

WE NEED NO CHANGES FREsh

[@rct6518]

Almost no one wants to play that in 2024. Grow up sir. It wouldn't be worth the server operation cost for them to do that.

[@LucifeRxGoSu]

@@rct6518 im sorry you're so lost

[@Clickomancer]

Blizzard just feeds you with small additions and adjustments across the all versions of wow to keep your Subscription in circle. hey sub is sub.

[@luciananujic7550]

killed by incursion...sod sux

[@BJoshuah]

Incursions were terrible

[@peppermint3808]

Downvoting for first time. Staysafe, we all know your going to play SOD, this is just pure hypocritical bs.

[@marct138]

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