Has the BIBLE been Corrupted? (Scholar Gives DETAILED Answer!)

[@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom]

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[@BenCh828]

Mike Winger has a fantastic series on the reliability of the Bible. He would be a fantastic guest for you to have someday. Love your work.

[@KyleTheDalek]

Why do Jews not believe in waiting until marriage ? Don’t the studies show these marriage are the strongest less likely to get divorced? Plus just having one romantic partner to me is just logical. You can’t get any more romantic than that, you won’t be thinking of others or comparing them. Plus the idea of being with multiple people grosses me out wether it’s me, them or both Thats done it.

[@paneraemployee12]

I remember watching this lecture after it popped up on my recommended. Fascinating, in all honesty.

[@juzeus9]

*homosexuality is not a sin, and it's not in the bible. Lev1822 1534 German 1674 Swedish 1830 Norwegian = boy molester*

[@BFTR]

@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom how do you deal with this:Bryan Trevino Maybe I shouldn’t answer your question that starts with a religious premise. But I’m not scared like that. “If a man finds a girl who is a virgin, who is not engaged, and seizes her and lies with her and they are discovered, then the man who lay with her shall give to the girl's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall become his wife because he has violated her; he cannot divorce her all his days." (Deuteronomy 22:28-29, New American Standard Bible)

[@LuxnoireCollection]

“An ounce of evidence is worth a pound of presupposition.” That’s an incredible quote

[@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom]

I loved that too!

[@rwesenberg]

An ounce of evidence is worth much much more than a pound presupposition?

[@Godisnotjesus1967]

​@@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom1TIMOTHY 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Yahushua haMassiach! It is written "God is head of Messiah, Messiah is Head of Man, Man is head of woman" Yahushua is an Angel....look Hebrews 1. Look John 17:3. John 1:1 is catholichri$tianity'$ famous and most sodomised verse! Authentically John 1 also refers to "THE BEGINNING" not as Adams day.....but as the beginning of Messiah and John's ministry. This is repeated by the same author John(Yohachan) in 1John 1. By the way cristos in greek does NOT mean Annointed......Massiach in Aramaic/Hebrew DOES mean Annointed. Yahushua is "God saves" in Hebrew/Aramaic......Iēsous and jesus has NO meaning in either English or Greek other than scammed into scriptures by unrepentant, unsaved and corrupt transliterators(writers) to comply with the fake manmade doctrine by then. 300AD.

[@Godisnotjesus1967]

​You patheticly misinformed christians are indeed the Anti-Messiah......you are no different than Pontius Pilate your pagan ancestor.......and you Washington your hands in innocence just like HE did. I Johannes Young, the Messenger of Yahushua haMassiach charge you before EL ELYON......You will have the WRATH OF GOD RAIN WITH FIRE ON EUMERICA and those following Satan's plan! Especially North America WILL BURN!..... You are abominable to the Most High! "jesuschrist" is the term made by catholics for there god. ALL christians and denominations follow catholic lies. The term "Christianity" is as fake as jesuschrist. Greek and English was NOT Miryam and Yusefs language. The Son of God was named Yahushua Immanu-EL the Massiach. The only name by which you can be saved is Yahushua haMassiach.....the name given the Son of God. Cristos(Christ) and Jesus is the Satanic catholic deception you believe. 1.Cristos does not mean Annointed. ......Massiach(Messiah) does mean Annointed. 2. The term "Jesus" has NO meaning and is entirely grammatically MANMADE! Yahushua means God-saves......(God is Salvation) Neither the letter "J" or the English language existed when the King was born in Bethlehem....2024yrs ago. Yahushua was the name of the man who replaced Moses and he, Yahushua(Yoshua) had then the similar comparative annointing to lead the Hebrew nation into Canaan as Yahushua possess to lead us into The Kingdom of EL ELYON! There was never a man called jesuschrist in Galilee or Israel ever!

[@Godisnotjesus1967]

​@@rwesenbergThe cross, jesuschrist and christianity is fake. Can you be saved by 2 or 3 names?.....NO, BUT BY ONE NAME ONLY!....Yahushua haMassiach the Son of El Elyon. Yesu, Jesus, iessous, Isa, christ is FAKE! "jesuschrist" is the term made by catholics for there god. ALL christians and denominations follow catholic lies. The term "Christianity" is as fake as jesuschrist. Greek and English was NOT Miryam and Yusefs language. The Son of God was named Yahushua Immanu-EL the Massiach. The only name by which you can be saved is Yahushua haMassiach.....the name given the Son of God. Cristos(Christ) and Jesus is the Satanic catholic deception you believe. 1.Cristos does not mean Annointed. ......Massiach(Messiah) does mean Annointed. 2. The term "Jesus" has NO meaning and is entirely grammatically MANMADE! Yahushua means God-saves......(God is Salvation) Neither the letter "J" or the English language existed when the King was born in Bethlehem....2024yrs ago. Yahushua was the name of the man who replaced Moses and he, Yahushua(Yoshua) had then the similar comparative annointing to lead the Hebrew nation into Canaan as Yahushua possess to lead us into The Kingdom of EL ELYON! There was never a man called jesuschrist in Galilee or Israel ever!

[@holdingonforlife1]

So sad to see people so lost who think they are wise.

[@KyleTheDalek]

Rabbis have shown the corruption of Jewish text by Christians.

[@Danarchy3]

Scripture tells us the God makes foolish the wisdom of men.

[@KyleTheDalek]

Rabbis have shown Corruption.

[@KyleTheDalek]

Why do Jews not believe in waiting until marriage ? Don’t the studies show these marriage are the strongest less likely to get divorced? Plus just having one romantic partner to me is just logical. You can’t get any more romantic than that, you won’t be thinking of others or comparing them. Plus the idea of being with multiple people grosses me out wether it’s me, them or both Thats done it. So why isn’t this a thing with Judaism and other religions? It seems like basic phycology.

[@Actualchristianity]

I am convinced just about every single day of my life in the doctrine of total depravity.

[@andrewrozario5127]

Eyewitnesses do not love their enemies as themselves and suffer horrific torture for a game of telephone.

[@bjknuckles7873]

Well put my friend

[@PEACEofGOD2day]

@@andrewrozario5127 beautiful ❤️

[@crawlerjunkie4512]

Horrific torture handed down by God?

[@compromize]

@crawlerjunkie4512 No it was handed down by their own kind actually. Humans. Romans and Jewish Pharisees to be precise. The apostles did Gods will and humans did what humans do. Humans gave them torture, God was the one who gave them eternal life. Don't misplace the blame.

[@desert_rose7171]

Remember the bible says the gospel of Jesus Christ is foolishness to those who are perishing. Faith isn’t logical

[@Ave_Christus_Rex3777]

I really hate the Chinese Whisper analogy. Because the game works like this 1) you can only whisper, so no one can hear you loud and clear 2) you can only say it ONCE , so there is no room for error 3) you can only say to one person, so he can't afford to make a mistake 4) you're not allowed to directly go to the first person and hear it from him This is a game specifically designed to corrupt messages. Why on earth should we use this as an analogy to explain message transmission in real life when message transmission in real life doesn't work like this at all!!! The Apostles proclaimed the Gospel loud and clear in public. They did not whisper They repeated the message as many time was needed They preached to masses, so if one heard it wrong the rest could correct him And people were free to directly hear the message from them first hand. The fact that they didn't whisper in silence and secret is what got them in trouble with everyone and eventually killed.

[@christophertaylor9100]

You missed one: 5) at least one person in the chain is a wise guy that will deliberately mess with it

[@uncle_Samssubjects]

​@@christophertaylor9100except that's not how it worked at all, and even if, it makes no difference when it comes to the Biblical narrative, because it's about following the example of the suffering servant. In fact that doesn't even make any sense unless you already hold Protestant beliefs, and are specifically attacking the Bible while not knowing how the Bible was compiled.

[@christophertaylor9100]

@@uncle_Samssubjects Yeah, it is. Trust me. Every time someone does this "experiment" at least one person in the chain deliberately screws with it.

[@88blackandwhite88]

@@christophertaylor9100 Joseph Smith, for example.

[@bigol9223]

Humorously, anyone who uses this Telephone game analogy for the bible is under countless false illusions about Jesus because of precisely what they're accusing the biblical writers of.

[@BatMite19]

Okay, who clicked because you thought Dan Wallace was on Joe Rogan?

[@difficsambalao]

Me

[@stephenchabala9373]

Same, talk about "misleading"

[@gerritgeurs6093]

Me

[@letsreason9489]

Same!

[@leelee7998]

4+3 =7. 3+4=7 5+2=7 2+5=7 hope you get the point it. Still ads up to the same 7 say it this way or that way the same point is what must be interpreted

[@docbryant]

Dr Wallace was one of my Dad's professors at DTS, and we had him over for dinner a couple of times. I got to attend one of his lectures 30 years later at a church in Dallas. Brilliant mind. I refer people to his lectures all the time.

[@josephtattum6365]

Bart himself ADMITS that his findings don’t disprove the gospels of fundamentals of Christianity. But anti theists will still try and use it to do just that. It’s madness.

[@mysotiras21]

BINGO!

[@Actualchristianity]

Sin nature. They must be bored again otherwise they will continue to do just that.

[@calmnrelaxed]

Anti theist = atheist

[@jfmathenia]

It's the same thing with evolutionists and Darwin. That poor man went to his grave denouncing his theory and even gave qualifiers as to what would disprove it (which have been met) and yet people with an agenda still declaim it as fact.

[@mrbungle2627]

True, but his personal beliefs surroundings the gospel claims are problematic. Like for instance he believes Jesus never claimed to be God. Which is sort of a pseduo-Arian position. Nonetheless it is heresy. But that of course is his personal opinions and not some sort of academic position. I find that atheists use his personal opinions over his scholarly work.

[@johnacree7977]

The serpent didn't tempt Adam and Eve to commit common sins. He simply tempted them to question God's Word.

[@InMyBunker]

God word written down and organized by PEOPLE. To think it cannot be a little corrupted means you have too much faith in people

[@fluxnekta]

@@InMyBunkerhow was the Quran made you know it was compiled in 1924 ? You know the 6 of 7 Qurans were burnt by utman and rewritten ?

[@mfranchize8287]

If you disobey God which they did you have sinned.

[@stuartdavidson162]

The same serpent that the all knowing God knew would tempt them so then the all knowing God punished them knowing that they would do it?

[@paulkoroma6065]

Not even he told them they will be like God, so Adam and Eve want to be God

[@benjamingerst8107]

Just so everyone knows, Joe Rogan no longer believes this. He's so close to being saved. Pray for him.

[@BlackSailPass_GuitarCovers]

Thank God. He has a huge platform and could do a great deal of good.

[@spleen8834]

Just so you know Joe agrees with whoever is dat across from him

[@ahmadh3057]

@@benjamingerst8107 the Old Testament says you can’t change a “dot or a diddle”… that means no variations.

[@compromize]

@@ahmadh3057 If you're implying what I think you are, that means you can't translate it or interpret it in Greek, Arabic, Latin, or English either. By that logic you can only know the truth in Hebrew which basically would just make Christianity similar to Islam. But that's not accurate and the text doesn't have the meaning that you seem to be forcing on it. If I'm correct you could be quoting 1 of 3 verses: Deuteronomy 4:2 - Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish aught from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you. (Which applies to the law and Gods commandments) Deuteronomy 12:32- What thing soever I command you, observe to do it. Thou shalt not add thereto nor diminish from it. (Which applies to the law and commandments also) and Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass away, not one jot or one tittle shall in any wise pass from the law till all be fulfilled. (Which applies to the preservation and fulfillment of the law and Gods commands) So no, having tiny differences in manuscripts does not go against scripture and it isn't a contradiction if that's what you were trying to say.

[@Dank11569]

I'm sorry but it's a undeniable fact that christ did not exist there is mountains of evidence

[@starlen3345]

It’s so frustrating hearing people say bible been corrupted and yet they never read it.

[@JoeMaamas]

what bible would you like them to read? KJV, NKJV, ESV, NIV, NLT, NRSV, WEB, ASV, NASV, CEV, GNB, TLV.......what version? because they all have wildly different translations from the Greek/Hebrew writing, not to mention we don't even know who wrote the 4 gospels, most new testament scholars agree that although some church fathers attribute the gospels to their namesake, we don't actually have any evidence to prove this is the case, in fact one of the gospels even says its self it was authored anonymously

[@starlen3345]

@@JoeMaamas proving the same point for have multiple versions and they say the same thing (if people wanna know a decent translation compared to bad ones there’s a practice called ‘research’ but some people freak out that words are different but don’t see past the fact the translations are speaking of the same thing don’t get me started with the king James only folks because in the end this simple do you believe in Jesus Christ or not?

[@richardclark.]

@@JoeMaamas they actually vary little, proving that you havent read them either. your opinion isnt even worth considering at that point.

[@kraftzion]

​@@starlen3345😂, don't even need a bible. Just believe. The bible is irrelevant.

[@JT-zy2ft]

The Bible has had too many hands in it. There are multiple gospels what are no longer part of the Bible and translations have completely changed the meaning of large sections of the book.

[@eb1191]

Bro is bringing up the telephone game that we played in elementary school like it's some sort of deep thing 😅

[@Uniqdna]

Even better he brought it up like it was scientific proof that the Bible is corrupted

[@pierre2898]

Too much weed to actually critically think

[@CoryWillis]

Bro's barber professor said "check out this game I just came up with."

[@Danarchy3]

The problem with the telephone game analogy is that in the game you only get one chance to hear the message before passing it on. In textual translation and comparison you can read and research and compare as much as you want before submitting a final answer

[@nunyabeezwax1413]

This is why I can’t listen to Joe . He isn’t really very educated and his opinion is worth 0.

[@discipleofthemessiah1796]

Thank you Heavenly Father for preserving Your Word!

[@Bash0382]

Joe should be speaking with a theologian, apologist and a scholar insttead of talking to random people who have opinions about the bible

[@mysotiras21]

Exactly.

[@jonathanfoutz8931]

He had Stephen Meyer on recently, I think. But his show is several lacking actual theologians and Christian philosophers. My opinion is less MMA guys and more theologians.

[@Dulc3B00kbyBrant0n]

HE NEED TO GET LA MARZULLI ON

[@mysotiras21]

@@jonathanfoutz8931 , agreed.

[@jj..-]

If it has changed maybe God did it to our bibles supernaturally, since he is in control?

[@Nate_Higgins]

Thank you for going deep on this stuff. This is really helping me understand the Bible. I'm almost 50, and it's never made any sense to me until recently. I really feel like that after decades of agnostic and atheistic beliefs, I'm suddenly being pointed toward God.

[@kladies3021]

AMEN!! Nate how wonderful is your journey!! Jesus said that the faith of a mustard seed can move mountains! My hope for you is that you come to know the width, depth, and length of God's amazing love for you! May God show you not only for your mind but to go straight to your heart!!

[@nahuaqueguimaraes6641]

Great buddy may God reveal himself to you. Theres a great series called the total onslaught on jesus by walter veith ,its insightful

[@sharonwilkins5134]

Welcome Brother God brings you in when you’re ready to hear what he has to say. I too started quite late, always believed but wouldn’t change my ways but now he gives me all I need and I’ve never been happier. God is good ✝️🛐💟

[@GDBusiness-l6j]

2 Peter 1:20-21 American Standard Version (ASV) knowing this first, that no prophecy of scripture is of private interpretation. For no prophecy ever came by the will of man: but men spake from God, being moved by the Holy Spirit.

[@12centuries]

@@GDBusiness-l6j That scripture does not mean that you shouldn't study the scriptures privately by yourself. It is referring specifically to _prophecy,_ not to Bible study. There are many verses that admonish us to dig into it ourselves, personally. Acts 17:11, 2 Timothy 2:15, Psalm 1:2, Joshua 1:8, 2 Timothy 3:16-17, etc all tell us that we should be studying what we're taught. The verse in Acts commends the Bereans for not just blithely listening to Paul but instead, verifying what he said was correct by digging into the scripture themselves.

[@giixxster1451]

Whats so crazy is i used to agree and think like them untill i actually READ the gospels

[@makeitcount179]

Daniel Wallace affirms what my spirit knows to be True : "God's Word will not return to Him void. It will accomplish the purpose for which He sent it." ISAIAH 55:11

[@O_tropos]

But His word wants to save everyone 1tim2:3-4, will that word be accomplished? Or will it be void?

[@makeitcount179]

@@O_tropos that's St.Paul writing to a young pastor named Timothy. His point is NOT TO EXCLUDE Gentiles because the Jews understood the Shema commandment of loving your neighbour to mean only Jewish neighbour's. The Way began as an outreach to jews and so Paul commonly went to synagogue to evangelize jews but as St Luke writes in Acts 13:47,48 Paul also preached to Gentiles and it was well received, many believed. St Paul writes in Romans 1:16 that the gospel is the Power of God 'to everyone who believes' not 'to everyone without exception.' So the answer to your question is a qualified "Yes God's plan to save every one "He chose before the foundation of the world"(eph 1:4) will be accomplished. The gospel is sufficient for all but EFFICIENT for some. ( see Aristotle's breakdown for "Law of Causation" for an analogous schematic) Remember your straw man reference is 1 Tim 2:4 ( a general desire with particularity in purpose) is the same St Paul whose last letter ( to the Romans) is much clearer in 9:22,23 as to God's specific purposes : " What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and willing to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction?(23) And He did so to make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory." Inadvertently you used a preconceived assumption with a vague reference against a writer who was Very clear in a later writing. Paul against Paul isn't a valid arguement because Paul was consistent in affirming God as the Originator of Merciful predestination ( Romans 8:28b,29). Paul credits God as the sole actor in Salvation. Ephesians 1:4, Ephesians 2:8,9, 2 Cor 5:21 and Romans 5:1. Jesus says in John's gospel " No one CAN come to Me, except the Father Who sent Me, draws him and I will raise Him up on the last day." 6:44. Also consider John 17:v.9 and v.12 God has perfectly succeeded in His plan of salvation because He did it all. ("But of God" jn 1:13)

[@josephpatterson1121]

Amen!

[@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep]

@@O_tropos What do you mean "but"? You are conflating "want" with "will" as in will do. The promise of the verse is already proven and in action, as the power and promise of the blood was proven by first raising Jesus from the dead meaning it can do the same for you.

[@O_tropos]

@@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep Can God do that what He wants yes or no? Will God do what He wants? If He cant do what He wants then He is not all powerful now is He? If He can do it but wont do it then that means He doesnt really want to everybody to be saved right?

[@silvertbird1]

I trust the Lord to preserve His Word through history.

[@cettib8791]

amen

[@sirmagnus99]

Jesus is the Word , so no preserving is needed. When did God say that I bible was his end all be all? Humans like to name things so they can then say the thing is understood and defined. We can not define God. I believe the Bible would have been better served to remain as it was in the beginning, before it was made Holy during one of these councils. Don't worship the Bible, worship God and Jesus.

[@fridgerator3786]

So you believe something of king of man told you to believe.

[@zenvultra]

@@sirmagnus99Jesus is the word but the Bible is the information God has provided to be able to know him and who he is, what his plan and purpose are etc. we worship God in spirit and in truth, you saying don’t worship the Bible is disingenuous

[@micahkiker3041]

In Hebrew bit not in translations.

[@coreyhayes9344]

Glad u take the time to answer the questions that matter

[@seankenney7756]

True story: I took a class in college, and the first day the teacher said, "Anything that comes out of my mouth is potentially on the final exam." Which means we have to write notes on EVERYTHING. He then told us that he had a class where a handful of students combined their notes at the end of the semester to study for the final exam, and when he looked at their notes, they were almost identical to his own notes. I always think of that story when I watch videos of people talking about discrepancies in the bible vs how many copies we have of the NT.

[@thomassandoval8025]

You are on to something. You know the game where you guess how many jelly beans are in a jar? Studies have found that the odds of getting the correct number increase with the amount of guesses and then taking the average of all guesses.

[@MichaelVandeventer-c3q]

Except the thing is in the oral tradition of the New testament people weren't incentivized to get it exactly right they were incentivized to tell a compelling story and gain converts.. their entire purpose of telling the story was to exaggerate it and make it super amazing and awesome. Just like your uncle's story about Vietnam. Except even more incentivized to be dishonest

[@conservativebean7074]

@@MichaelVandeventer-c3qThey were also not incentivised to spread it at all by the culture at the time. Hence the crucifixion of Peter and beheading of Paul.

[@MichaelVandeventer-c3q]

@conservativebean7074 tell Charlie Manson's followers that or Joseph Smith's ? And the stories of their martyrdom are good by people with incentives to embellish or just lie and there are no confirmation

[@herrera3499]

I’ve been a fan of Dr. Wallace for a long time! Starting when I watched him on the Ankerberg Show debating KJV Only folks along side Dr. James White and a couple others. I was able to see him give a lecture in Houston about a year ago. The work he is doing is such a blessing for us believers. It is some amazing proof of the way God preserved His Word!

[@rwatson2609]

@herrera3499 Same here. A few years ago he had offered an online "textual criticism" course in 36 videos that I took, lots of information like this. Fascinating to say the least.

[@larrytruelove8659]

I live in the Dallas, Texas area and therefore I’ve heard him speak 2-3 times at my church, I think.

[@johntrevett2944]

Things that are different are not the same.

[@amandas.9116]

Really needed to hear this right now

[@nathanielalderson9111]

The more I learn, the more I dislike Erhman's dishonesty.

[@ryleighloughty3307]

He's an angry and bitter man.

[@michaelbrickley2443]

Dr. Wallace and Dr. Mike Licona are actually friends with Bart but agree to disagree. Bart worked with Dr. Bruce Metzger and became suspicious when he learned that there may be differences in what Jesus actually, literally said and that appears to be the thing that sent his faith packing. Dan Wallace calls the side that produces all these NYT bestsellers Bad Bart. He needs our prayers. Shalom

[@nitsujism]

​@@dvaunt3516And the bible is wrong on that. Atheism is definitely a thing.

[@mattschneider78]

If you listen to Ehrman closely, he's really not that extreme. It's when people take what he says and weaponize it that the issues really arise.

[@codeblood2000]

​@@nitsujismI just find it very telling how so many atheists love talking about the god they don't believe exist😊

[@KFish-bw1om]

Notice how Joe will never try to have these conversations with any serious apologist/theologian. If he wants to talk about astrophysics, he'll invite an astrophysicist. If he wants to talk about medicine, he'll invite a doctor. If he wants to talk about Christianity though, best he can do is either Matt Walsh, a cultural Catholic, or some dude who smokes way too much weed. Closest he got was Stephen Meyer, but he's a scientist, not a theologian. Get Mike Winger on there to show him just how deeply the Old & New Testaments are woven together!

[@bastait]

wtf is a culturzal catholic you fake christian protestant im glad you dislike the apostles who were all catholic unlike you i have evidence of my claims btw. try the didachi for one one of the oldest christian texts in the world. protestantism is based on a lie martin luther was a foul mouthed alchoholic who only became a monk to avoid marriage. somehow this cat killing alchoholic who wrote 100s of pages about his scat is a great christian. look up martin luther and sole fide directly contradicts christ. also the best apologists are catholic it started the concept of apologetics. you can be quiet about my church go scream once saved always saved at your master satan.

[@youdontsay2181]

I wouldn't recommend winger,I'd recommend John Piper

[@jessecortez9449]

Leather Apron Club did a break down of all the guests Joe has on and a cert tribe is drastically overrepresented. He'll listen to those that reject Christat at a far, far greater percentage than listen to those that embrace Christ. Even the scientists he has on talking about science are those that promote "modern ideological" science. The ones that espouse "Trust The Science" but turn their back on the Scientific Method.

[@bastait]

@@youdontsay2181 why not both diversification of sources has been a good way of improving our understanding of things since historical study began. multiple sources means multiple perspectives.

[@gracealone89]

@@youdontsay2181 Both Winger and Piper have the Gospel wrong. They believe in works for salvation.

[@danielspofford3696]

How is it that people can’t understand that the God that spoke the world Into existence could easily make sure that his word stays intact… it’s a very simple explanation that makes complete sense. If Jesus wanted people to be able to read Gods word then he would make sure it’s complete and unscaved

[@avicsyy676]

Yes brother but so many people straight up deny any existence of God it’s some how more believable that this was all an accident

[@FRANKLOOSER]

Could it be possible since the great deceiver aka Lucifer was here before man that he could have had a hand in propaganda ?

[@One-of-His]

Thank you for bringing this important information to the forefront again. God bless you!

[@gabof92]

Those 2 at the beginning of the video were SO HIGH 😂😂

[@ParkerRRea]

Great video, one slight correction on what Wallace said at time stamp 4:20 when he said many of the meaningless variants are spelling: Gurry and Hixon in “Myths and Mistakes in NT Text Criticism” cite an extensive study Gurry did to resolve the question of variant numbers: “The study concluded that there are probably about half a million nonspelling differences among our Greek New Testament manuscripts. Every qualification in that sentence is important…nor does it include what must be a vast quantity of trivial spelling differences.” (p. 9)

[@ChipNov1998]

The difference between telephone and Oral Tradition is that the stories were told over and over in an open setting where many people hear what was being communicated, not whispered to one person. For example the Gospel of Mark was written by one of St. Peter's traveling companion, so as Peter went from town to town, Mark heard the stories over and over. Plus when he wrote down what he heard he could have St. Peter check to see if it was accurate. In addition, very few people knew how to read and write until recent history, so the entire worldwide culture was an oral culture. This type of communication is MORE precise because the written word does not convey context or emphasis, whereas when someone says something to you, you can hear what they are emphasizing AND if you are unclear about what is being said you can ask the person delivering the message.

[@MicahMicahel]

yes.. and we know through folktales collected by folklorists hundreds of years ago that the tellers would memorize the tables word for word. People that never met each other would know the tales word for word the same way. The telephone game is a bad example too becaue I've seen it played a whole bunch of times and I always suspect people know what the game is and exaggerate the mistakes for fun. I've watched kids play the game and they do it on purpose and all the kids laugh. If hey are careful and don't trill the game it's fine.

[@LuzianJ]

The Psalms were also orally trasmitted before they were written down. That's how ancient people wrote.

[@Joanne-t6j]

This is very useful for dealing with Islam which contends that our scriptures have been corrupted to cover the fact that the Qur’an confirms our scriptures even though they contradict the Qur’an. They can’t conclude that the Qur’an is therefore wrong, so they assert that the Bible has been corrupted.

[@Gleichtritt]

When a muslim says the bible has been corrupted, you need to just ask "when, why and by whom". They will tell you it was the jews, but that doesn't make sense, because they would never portrait Jesus as the messiah. And with the scriptures found in Qumran, there is authentic scriptures of the old testamony, dating back at least 400BC - everything still the exact same wording as in the Masoretic text. The quran on the other side existed in many versions until some sultan decided to burn all versions but one and declare that THE true quran. Muslims don't know their history, because they rely on unproven claims. Islam is a deeply unscientific community completely parallel to the rest of the world.

[@aventus3491]

If the abduls says the bible is corrupted then smoke him with " so you just say the bible of allah is corrupted?"

[@rooibos786]

The Quran confirms the gospel , Injeel, given by God to Jesus pbuh, certainly not all the current gospels

[@Gleichtritt]

@@rooibos786 The Quran does NOT confirm the gospel. The gospel is that Jesus is god who came to earth and saved humanity by paying for all sins ever done ever will be done with death. Quran says Jesus is just a prophet and Allah deceived everyone by putting a double on the cross. 'Nice'god this Allah, intentionally making people believe Jesus died, by putting a double on the cross? Either this god is not good, because he deceives the innocent or he is not real.

[@theguyver4934]

​@@rooibos786 - No where does the quran say the bible has been changed/corrupted And I'm saying that as a Muslim

[@zebalewski1]

I really love this channel and am learning so much. Thank you !

[@Nyyre]

Wow, I cannot tell you how excited I am about The Wisdom Society! Like a modern day Inklings 😃 I have been praying for growth in my spiritual community, and opportunities for conversations with people who are interested in the subject matter of this channel. Is this an answered prayer?? I will be looking into it. Thank you for this project 🙏

[@beastlycrawdad6412]

The problem with the reading at the beginning is that it wasn’t whispered words. Jesus preached to thousands of people. He appeared to over 500 people after his death. Luke didn’t make up anything in his book, it was all eyewitness testimony that he felt confident enough to share with Theophilus. He went into excessive detail. Matthew, Mark, and John all wrote their books with their own experience or the experience of others. Each one differs because it was written to a specific group of people, just as Matthew was written to a Jewish audience. If Moses wrote the first 5 books of the Bible it probably wasn’t just an oral tradition that was passed down, God spoke with him openly all the time. They met together all the time. He could have told him at any time. They weren’t actual assembled books though, they would have just been scrolls through the majority of the existence of the Old Testament. Some well preserved like the Dead Sea scrolls, some not well preserved that aged and gradually fell apart like an old Bible will even with our modern books.

[@CiscoWes]

I noticed that as well. The whole argument on Rogan’s show in the beginning of this clip was a false comparison. Atheists arguments are exclusively false comparisons, strawman arguments, etc…

[@kaydoren688]

That's when not if God dictated the first 5 Books To Moses

[@shirleybradshaw1288]

Name one of the 500 witnesses. None of them wrote about something so miraculous. Matthew, Mark, luke and John were dead when there gospels were written. Didn't know moses could write or if writing had been invented in his time. If the bible is the infallible word of God which version is correct. And what about the gospels that where discarded?

[@bigol9223]

Mary. No they weren't. You don't know _writing had been invented in Moses' time?_ The only actual gospels "discarded" are ones that were redundant, having no unique aspects of the accounts provided by the 4 canon gospels. The rest of the writings you're probably referring to are fanfics from heretical cults. If I write a biography of George Washington where he discovers the alchemical formula to create gold, nobody's under any obligation to include it in the George Washington library, and you'd hope for historicity's sake they don't.

[@kaydoren688]

The thing about pagans and atheists is that they have no moral high ground. They are in denial that the One Lord and Creator of the universe Dies exist They deny themselves the opportunity of love joy and peace and health and long life with God in us who supplies all our needs from His unlimited riches in Glory through the anointed one Jesus.

[@BrightmoonLiverpool]

One of the best yet. Ehrmann has admitted the most important thing there, yet he still tried to deceive people to sell his books. This was awesome, thank you and God bless your continued ministry 🙏

[@HuracanST]

"Took me 8 hours to write this." That's commitment.

[@1rgam3r]

In another vid, he mentions one of his students dug into this and came up with over 5000 ways. I forget the exact number.

[@anjali99625]

@@1rgam3rdo you mind sharing the video link here?

[@1rgam3r]

@@anjali99625 I’ll see if I can find that exact vid. It’s been a while and I don’t have it saved.

[@anjali99625]

@@1rgam3r no worries. Thank you

[@1rgam3r]

@@anjali99625 ok. I find one today and found I was wrong. It was about the number of variants in the New Testament. It’s over a million. He had thought it was 500k but a student of his did a more complete calculation. I’ll see if I can find it but tracking some stuff down on the phone can be really difficult.

[@lemnisgate8809]

The intro is the most ignorant way of understanding how oral tradition is passed down, these people weren’t just telling a secret they were passing down their history it’s ignorant to think they didn’t make great effort to get it right.

[@88Padilla]

Someone could say that you might also be ignorant about how fallible the human brain is when it comes to memory and the comprehension/ interpretation of information. Just because they might've rehearsed it over and over doesn't mean that everyone will tell it the exact way it was given to them.

[@SPARTANSIX-1]

But people need to understand that this isn’t the “game” of telephone. If someone tells you something you aren’t bound by the rules of “telephone” you can go and verify what they have said if the original person is still alive or if someone who knew them is still alive as the Apostles would have been early on when the texts were written. And if something was incorrect then the Apostles would have noted this and corrected it then. And we most likely would have a record of that correction too.

[@lemnisgate8809]

@@88Padilla and I might say you’re ignorant for not realizing we aren’t talking about one individual’s brain we are talking about hundreds if not thousands of minds over generations serving as a check and balance one over the other if the human mind was oh so utterly fallible no one would be able to remember an insignificant detail say for instance even your birthday yet I’m sure plenty of people wish you happy birthday the same time every year.

[@lemnisgate8809]

@@SPARTANSIX-1 exactly, these people trivialize what they can’t comprehend.

[@88Padilla]

@@lemnisgate8809 actually they don't. I remember all of my family's and friend's birthdays but mine is so easy to remember due to repeating numbers and only a few of them do. You're also missing the point between information being exchanged between two people and information being exchanged between hundreds or thousands of people over generations. There's no "system of checks" that you're wanting to believe is there to back up your beliefs, as there's no way to verify who is correct between the people who heard one bit of information vs the people who heard another, just like the many denominations of Christianity who all believe different things about the same piece of literature they can read with their own eyes, and you think that hundreds or thousands of people can perfectly keep and pass along an unwritten piece of information over thousands of years? Lol. I hope you learn the difference between belief and reality soon, because it's apparent that your beliefs are dictating your reality.

[@JimmyKIdouble]

I love information videos like this to add to the quiver. Thank you. Why am I just now subscribing?🤔

[@wdd910]

“For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven” (Psalm 119: 89)

[@thevulture5750]

1189 chapters in the KJV The word perfect occurs 99 times in the KJV Bible 1189 99 119:89

[@doth4580]

It is a wide belief within the Eastern Orthodox Church that the use of Greek for both the New Testament and the Old Testament (ie the septuagint), is providential, as it clearly is very resilient and resistant to copy errors and extremely capable of being very specific.

[@leechrec]

It really is incredible how specific it can be so that there is absolutely no misunderstanding.

[@amandas.9116]

Thank you sooo much for this video has helped my faith so much! God bless you

[@randypacchioli2933]

Professor Wallace always brings top notch truths to the table. 👍✝️

[@UnholyChurchboy]

Love this guy's sense of humor! I just find it interesting that if there were no variants at all, skeptics will still find a way to discredit the texts. "They're too perfect to be authentic". We must continue to pray for them!

[@LukeRoy-y4k]

And in every variant the message of the Gospel never changed. Love God and love your neighbor.

[@douglasiupati5647]

Thank you this was a great video & very helpful to me. I will check out the original 🙂

[@benanglin1458]

When the oral tradition was passed from one source to another, the receiver would always repeat it back to the transmitter until the transmitter verified its accuracy. That’s not how the telephone game works.

[@qz2026]

This only means that the apostasy was accurately conveyed from one person to the other. Additionally, orally repeating the scripture was only as accurate (truthful) is the scripture being passed. The oral tradition (Rabbinic tradition) was never sanctioned by God. It is quite clear in Torah that all scripture was given directly from God and written by Moses. Oral additions were the works of Pharisees and other sects which changed the meaning of the Torah. For this reason Jesus hated the Pharisees and the Sadducees and their law which was not the law of Moses but the law of men. This really reminds me of the heresy of Rome.

[@blain20_]

What oral tradition? Everything was written immediately.

[@Alexrider02]

@@blain20_ The first gospel wasn't written until two generations after the time of Jesus, around 40 AD.

[@blain20_]

@Alexrider02 You don't know what you're talking about. 10 years isn't two generations. Don't be ignorant.

[@Alexrider02]

@blain20_ Which gospel was written in 10 AD?

[@contramundum71]

just subscribed...you are a blessing...thanks...

[@avishai7337]

Fasting and prayer is what you do to seek the Lord for answers, healing, deliverance, and better relationship with God for it is to deny your flesh as you fast and strengthen your spirit as you pray

[@Dykraquelle]

@avishai7337 Amen that's perfectly Accurate 🙏

[@OrthodoxJourney359]

Do people realize how many oral traditions were passed down perfectly to this just day on the Divine Liturgy in the Orthodox Church? How much more when preserving the Cannon of Scripture which in itself is a liturgical tradition and book?

[@godofmyworld77]

Thank you for the full lecture i will be watching that straight after this video

[@denniscrumbley8274]

I studied under Dan Wallace and he became a personal freind. He is brilliant.

[@michaelharrington75]

He's a brilliant man. Seems like a good guy too.

[@denniscrumbley8274]

​@@michaelharrington75He enjoys a good conversation and he has a good sense of humor too.

[@rickylall2401]

I had this question for a very long time. Thank you brother

[@HanselLeiderhosen]

God himself said that his Word would be preserved forever. So the idea it’s corrupted would be calling God a liar.

[@killam2k10]

@@HanselLeiderhosen yes by the logic god would be lying, as books have been added and removed, 1 john 5 7 is not found in the earliest manuscripts

[@HanselLeiderhosen]

@@killam2k10 nothings been added or removed. The 66 books of the Bible have always been the same. The Babylon Whore (Catholic Church) and her harlot daughters (orthodox, Protestants) want to change it for their own ends. 1 John 5:7 is found in earlier manuscripts. You just disagree with it because you hate God.

[@jtWrenn-qd2re]

Yes. My position is that the creator of the universe can handle a proofreader or picky editor.

[@HanselLeiderhosen]

@@killam2k10 how would you know if it’s been added? Because we have the original versions? If we didn’t then we wouldn’t be able to tell what’s been added or removed. So again you prove it’s been uncorrupted

[@killam2k10]

@@HanselLeiderhosen dude please don't embarrass yourself, your earliest manuscript is the codex sinaticus 4th century, and story of the adulterous woman in there,

[@the_if_then_fallacy]

Would love to see something like this regarding the old testament

[@rwatson2609]

@the_if_then_fallacy Same.

[@Suavemente_Enjoyer]

Praise God for you, brother! Thank you for the educational video! ❤

[@K9Kincaid]

Great work. Thanks for the great video, yet again!

[@1rgam3r]

Been following Dr. Wallace for a long time. His work is invaluable.

[@jorgeguerra479]

Everyone has an opinion. Was Jesus real? Is God real? Is the Bible corrupted? Why don't you ask yourself this. If you could go back in time and end up right in front of Jesus, alone and you asked him "what are the basics of what you're teaching? How do you want me to live my life?" What would he say to you? If you've ever known God in your life, you'll know the answer. My friend put it perfectly when he said "selfless love"

[@WestValleyTransparency]

There are less than 10 manuscripts about Julius Cesar's Gallic Wars, and the oldest document was dated 900 years after Julius Ceasar, yet scholars and colleges haven't questioned the validity of those manuscripts. The earliest manuscripts we recovered about Aristotle were dated 1,400 years after him, and yet colleges still teach about the writings of Aristotle. When it comes to the New Testament, we have over 6,000 manuscripts, and the oldest manuscripts we have were dated within decades of apostles. If I had to choose which manuscripts to accept as near perfect copies of an original, I would side with manuscripts scientifically dated within decades of an original, compared to a manuscript dated 500 years after the original.

[@JacksSon2]

I think people have questioned the validity of historical manuscripts of non-Biblical works like Aristotle, but because they are non-Biblical, and people aren't claiming them to be the Word of God, they don't make headlines outside of a small circle of researchers/educators. Regardless, though, it is a logical fallacy to equate validity to the number of documents available.

[@JohnDoe80808]

​@JacksSon2 so the problem for you is the content of what is written not whether it was corrupted or not?

[@Kwisatz-Chaderach]

​@JacksSon2 ........you can check the manuscripts that are from all over the Mediterranean thousands of years ago, and compare them to the modern translations.....wow. so shocking.

[@shawnmason8543]

It’s sad that they say “I think”, looks like if you knew something said that it has the information to be saved from eternal damnation that you would want to know and not just think.

[@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep]

Not only that but literally the problem of eternal life solved, the perfect life extension they all so much talk about. It's because of as Paul wrote the "offense of the cross" it reminds us of our inability to save ourselves.

[@EliteMedia-kj6dc]

17 : 111 And say, "Praise to Allāh, who has not taken a son and has had no partner in [His] dominion and has no [need of a] protector out of weakness; and glorify Him with [great] glorification."

[@jtropfenbaum7931]

PS All 66 Books of the Bible was written down by people, Inspired by the Infallible words from the Creator Himself 😇

[@ThomasClementsRVA]

Love your KZbin channel. Wish I could afford to join The Wisdom Society 😔😔😔

[@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom]

Shoot me an email!

[@ThomasClementsRVA]

@@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom How do I send you an email?

[@nathanielalderson9111]

​@@ThomasClementsRVA Check in the About section

[@kevinjones2422]

Thanks for sharing!

[@whatsitgoingtobetheneh]

The New Testament isn't very different from the Old Testament. When people say that it usually indicates that they're not very familiar with the Old Testament.

[@LOWKEYDANGER]

Talk is cheap these day but back then a simple lie would leave you headless

[@chrisquiett1776]

I love your channel. Gives me something to listen to while I walk to and from work and when I'm too lazy to read 😂 I'm blind and too broke for new glasses so it's hard to read lol also your mustache makes firemen jealous

[@JamesKellyJohnson5]

Another common secular view that’d be good to cover/dispel is how people say “many cultures have a flood/Noah type story.” They’re all counterfeits of the one true story of Noah and the flood.

[@stuartdavidson162]

And yet geologists have ZERO evidence of a world wide flood happening at any stage in the Earth's 4.5 billion years of existence. By this rationale, the "One true story" and "The counterfeits" are false :D

[@JamesKellyJohnson5]

@@stuartdavidson162 there is evidence actually. Search around, there are many videos and presentations of well educated individuals that back up this truth with factual scientific findings.

[@Alexrider02]

Ah yes, all of the legends from all over the world, who had zero contact with the middle east, they totally ripped off the bible.

[@PJ-ts7uz]

The first sentence of this clip...."The bible is the writings of Jesus"....Joe thinks Jesus wrote the bible? Yikes.

[@bigol9223]

He is the Word of God.

[@holmanarthurs4595]

This “scholar makes the assumption that the original process of putting together the Bible from other books didn’t contain bias and prejudice in the first place. There was no separation between church and state at the time. The book was written upwards of 170 after his death. How is this a factual book?

[@ThePeaceMakerIII]

That's okay, God is able to Preserve His Word.He knew what man would do to His Word so he wrote it in the stars. E.W. Bullinger "Witness Of The Stars"

[@SigmaWarriors871]

You should invite Ken Johnson into your program , amazing knowledge on dead sea scrolls

[@jeremyolson4280]

This was a very substantial clarification that should be shared far and wide.

[@MrSimpoge]

In short, no

[@Luke5.31]

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 and in long, without any shadow of a doubt from both critics and believers of Christianity, no

[@Dark_358]

Did you see the original bible? How could you know ? you can't , that's why quran hasn't been corrupted , it's a sign that Allah is one and that islam is the true region

[@stuartdavidson162]

Even if The Bible wasn't corrupted in any way, this wouldn't get rid of the contradictions, the errors that can be proven wrong scientifically or the the horrible messages it espouses. Then there's an even greater mountain to climb to give good evidence that the texts are true. If this is meant to be a divinely inspired text - someone needs to be fired :D

[@MrSimpoge]

@@stuartdavidson162 it’s not a science book. That’s like going to a math book and asking how Timmy can hold 16 apples in one hand and sally 7 in the one and saying it’s not true because scientifically, one can’t do that. Didn’t know love everyone and treat everyone how you would want to be treated is a horrible message. Would hate to see what you think is a “good message”. And if you’re atheist, there is no such thing as good or evil so what are you on about exactly? There are no contradictions in the Bible. You’re speaking on things you know nothing of. Don’t embarrass yourself

[@MrSimpoge]

@@Dark_358 Uthman literally destroyed all your Qurans and made his own version so what are you on about exactly? And even in that, still failed. There are different Arabic Qurans everywhere. But you were surprised, no I was surprised. Those who know what I’m talking about know what that refers to

[@John-lv6uj]

John 3:16 is not altered.

[@arameh]

LMAO you're whole faith is rooted in a single sentence

[@mikewalsh5872]

Thank you for the work that you do, lad. It’s challenges false assumptions and gives a more knowledgeable idea of what’s being said about God’s word. With this episode even more. When unbelievers publish works, like Ehrman, they say things that condemn the Bible but because of Christian experts, they have to hide the truth in the back so that they can get away with their lies…..thanks again

[@DS-11]

Jesus is Lord

[@arameh]

Jesus has a Lord

[@JHJOwen]

Love this teaching hear, fascinating 🙏🏻

[@thedynamicsolo4232]

When people give me this argument, I ask "What if I could show you an expert who refutes this, would you believe it and change your mind?". Most slink away and do not research it for validity.

[@katiegeyvanpittius7391]

Wow but that New Testament is mind blowing, no way any of us could have come up with much of it. And Jesus, well, beyond imagination, I could never have imagined or thought up how wonderful He is. Top top top anyone of ever. Highly recommend the New Testament, seriously.

[@LukeRoy-y4k]

And in every variant the message of the Gospel remained the same. Love God and love your neighbor.

[@1voiceCriesOut]

Awesome! Thank you.❤

[@nathanandnickSherbetImage]

Great stuff, thank you.

[@cameronturner7077]

Excellent share brother, thank you so much. May God bless you and yours always Hallelujah to the Lamb of God Praise be to our Heavenly Father Blessed is the Holy Spirit Hosanna!!

[@MrCopiousCoffee]

Society back then passed down knowledge by oral tradition. Their memory was unbelievable compared to our standards. I experienced this in a small way in my life. There was a time I had up to 50 telephone numbers for people in my head because it was how I grew up, you had to remember them or write them down which still reinforced my memory. Fast forward to the use of cell phones, because I don’t have to remember the numbers anymore, I have gotten to the point I can’t remember them anymore

[@BradAcquilin]

Very good video. Thank you!

[@GreyWindowsBrokenSpoke]

As one whom values freedom and justice. I see a great injustice in the world today. No one today should live based on the moral code of someone who has died . The sins of the fathers are not ours to pay for.

[@matthewsilva8617]

The Council of Nicaea..they had a days long debate about what to include and exclude

[@kencrenshaw2032]

The New Testament writers were eyewitnesses of what Jesus said and did! They all abandoned him when he was at trial,and when he was crucified,, They came back to their senses when they saw him after he was resurrected! They followed him and his teachings in the face of death and persecution,, They took no money for their preaching or their writings!, They did it out of love for their savior,and mankind’s happiness,,now and in the future!,

[@gunnar7902]

it always interests me that pseudo intellectuals try to discredit the Bible by saying it comes from a long oral tradition but would NEVER question the rigveda that we know comes from a 2000 year oral tradition

[@HHJoshHH]

I didn't hear him say that no doctrine had been impacted, what I heard him say was it doesn't change the CORE tenants of Christianity! And I agree!

[@ChephtsiyBah]

What about thus he declared all things clean??? That alters doctrine, it was added to scripture and people literally think they can eat pork and unclean foods.

[@karistinton888]

Excellent.Thank you.

[@Mike-r2b]

Awesome video, thank you.

[@L9haan]

I think Joe Rogan thought about the qoran because only the qoran was conveyed by memorize while the Bible was written from the beginning

[@nicklovesjiujitsu]

My question would start with how did it go from Jesus' mouth to the first written word to what we have today? How did it go from God's mouth to the written word we have today? Is there a direct line that doesn't require faith?

[@justindenlinger6304]

When I learned about textual variants while studying biblical interpretation in college, it challenged my faith a lot. Mostly because I had grown up believing strongly in scriptural inerrancy. What I realized though, is that God has preserved his word, and even used textual criticism to purge human error. I now believe in scriptural suffficiency and authority: God’s word has and does accomplish what it was meant to do, and it is authoritative. The Word lives on.

[@bethany-janehough1019]

Needed this

[@mmamatt81]

Great video thanks for sharing. Which version of the bible do you recommend?

[@420Yako]

The Holy Bible we have is changed. Jesus said to my face that "King James Holy Bible written before 1400 is truth"! ❤❤❤

[@Thinking-Biblically]

Sir could you post the full seminar please?