HATTORI CLAN OVERVIEW - Total War: Shogun 2!

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Welcome to my Clan Overview of the Hattori on Total War: Shogun 2! In this Clan Overview I cover the topics of; Clan Traits, Campaign, Clan Specific Units & Army Composition.
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Total War: Shogun 2 Gameplay Information:
In the darkest age of Japan, endless war leaves a country divided. It is the middle of the 16th Century in Feudal Japan. The country, once ruled by a unified government, is now split into many warring clans. Ten legendary warlords strive for supremacy as conspiracies and conflicts wither the empire. Only one will rise above all to win the heart of a nation as the new shogun...The others will die by his sword.
Take on the role of one Daimyo, the clan leader, and use military engagements, economics and diplomacy to achieve the ultimate goal: re-unite Japan under his supreme command and become the new Shogun - the undisputed ruler of a pacified nation.
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CONQUER the islands of Japan in the 16th century. Lead vast armies of samurai and fleets of giant warships into breathtaking real-time battles.
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[@dafuqmr13]

AKA Killing the Shogun every turn

[@JonatasAdoM]

I love to be a Hattori neighbor, all I need to do is go shopping for units with a metsuke

[@CaptainRooibos]

Gold

[@moridmarin7891]

You've accidently missed the Hattori's hidden bonus; broken ambush battle, as kisho training forces all your infantry into long thin lines due to the deployment zone being different.

[@spearworld6055]

kisho training also helps when climbing up walls in offensive sieges

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

Oh yeah, minor detail I forgot about, probably because I don't tend to do offensive sieges :P.

[@assylbekkossov6955]

Sorry to bother you but, could you bring the direct link to the music you are using in this video please ?

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

Cherry Blossoms in this compilation, timestamps are in the description. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oqrMlnmrbKehfqc

[@assylbekkossov6955]

thanks a lot man !!!!!

[@RaitoYagami88]

How do you win without doing offensive sieges?

[@Buzzy_Bland]

The Hattori look like a really unique and interesting clan to play as. Having so many units with Kisho training looks like it'll open up bunch of new, interesting tactics. Think I'll start a Hattori campaign now, in fact.

[@RainbowMuse2]

I won my first Hattori Camp with their ninjas. Took the capital city with an inferior force by tying their men down with fodder units in front and climbing the walls with ninjas in the back. By the time the Ashikaga got close to the ninjas the timer had run out.

[@mrorlov2706]

Badass

[@alejandrocastro7424]

Ikko Ikki, the Ronin I feel make it an interesting clan to pick as well as the unique religion

[@eddierudolph7694]

Alejandro Castro ronin are meekly Samurai without masters, generally samurai who were dishonored by allowing their daimyo to died and lose his land or something like that.

[@linhuichi937]

The bandits are actually useful if you have no cavalry. Keep them hidden when the lines meet then bring them out to shoot the backs of the enemy.

[@don4key935]

I think that the bandits are specially made for the night battles like you said in night battle the accurcy goes down and they have 10 more so yeah :D

[@SparkyScarecrow]

Great video! - been waiting for some in depth Shogun 2 analysis on KZbin. An Oda overview would be awesome

[@freeradicalpanda]

You can actually provoke the Tsutsui to attack, often breaking their alliance w. Hatakayama in the process. The southern route is the safest. Ikko Ikki and/or Oda will destroy you, if you take the northern route, unless you're lucky and clever. True the Kisho Ninja are best in defense, but I had great success using them as vanguard for a fist of meele samurai deployed close to the enemy line. 2 volleys of bombs and then attack in the ensuing chaos. The enemy will break like a dry twig.

[@brainwasher9876]

How do you make them attack you?

[@freeradicalpanda]

Andrew Wang You can use monks to incite revolt (expensive and will typically fail but do great damage to diplomatic relations either way) and/or use ninjas to assassinate Tsutsui generals and sabotage buildings. Ironically it’s best if the ninja fail and get discovered, revealing who sent them. A few seasons of this and the Tsutsui should be pretty p*ssed of at you. This method is not a failsafe though. Hatekayama might still join the war or the process can be so slow that you’re hopelessly vulnerable when Ikko Ikki or Oda knock on your door.

[@brainwasher9876]

@@freeradicalpanda yeah I think I'd rather just bum rush Tsutsui then and let Hatakeyama join. If memory serves me correctly Hatakeyama armies aren't big in the Kii peninsula anyway.

[@freeradicalpanda]

Andrew Wang Yeah that could work too (and a bit more straight forward 😅). I just tend to drain my ressources completely going west fighting both and then get f*cked in the ass by Oda and/or Ikko Ikki on turn 20-30.

[@FShani]

Easy way to convince Tsutsui to attack is move all your troops out of your castle and hide them in the forest. Then give Tsutsui a trade agreement so they can see your empty castle. Alternatively, attack Omi early. Every clan around you will declare war on you, Tsutsui included. They really only have two expansion options and since the second one (Kitabatake) don't usually move their forces out of Ise for a while, they have their eyes set on Iga. All that said, I actually think it's better to attack the Tsutsui and let Hatakeyama join in. You're going to be at war with Hatakeyama soon enough, I'd rather deal with them before they have a chance to really build up. Kii is just as wealthy as Omi but is far less likely to be attacked. There's also the added benefit that the Honma don't get drawn into the war if it's through the Tsutsui. Honma are the probably the most annoying clan to deal with if you aren't near Sado early on.

[@benerdick_cumberbiatch]

I have a few tips. Don't upgrade or destroy your sake den Until you have built one in Omi. So you can have two Ninja agents. And don't upgrade your roads in Iga either. Once you have Omi destroy your sake den in Iga and build a market. Armies from Yamato will have a hard time reaching Iga with without roads and you can have their armies constantly sabotaged halting their progress and securing your border without an army. Eventually Omi will be very valuable if you have a smuggling network, a Mizu-shōbai district and a land consolidation. Omi, Echizen, Kaga, Omi and Mikawa are all great provinces to go for. and keep selling military access to the Ashikaga.

[@zezimarules1]

Thanks for the awesome video and subbed :D

[@ryanrusch3976]

Love the Hattori Clan in Sieges, their vanguard deployment, and more effective stealth means I can play sieges with around 40 casualties using speed and deception.

[@kieranproskills]

Thanks for the information

[@marioschr8181]

Very interesting channel, keep it up!

[@richardmaldonado2536]

Thx so much for the info

[@leonrobinson2053]

I have the game but have never really been that much of a fan, more of a medieval 2 type of guy. This is the first review I've really seen (remember) but it's really good and kinda makes me want to try the game again. So thanks

[@EcuadorianFlagShip]

Can you cover heroes? You mentioned here Hanzo's Shadows but didn't explain why would you use them or how. Thank you for making these videos.

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

This is purely covering the Hattori clan, and their clan specific units, of which Hanzo's Ninja's isn't one, you can use them with any faction. I might do a separate video on all hero units though, and explain which are useful and which aren't.

[@EcuadorianFlagShip]

Yes! That would be really cool.

[@Arjuna-xg3nj]

I would say either ikko ikki or otomo because It would be very helpful having some tips on how to deal with the different religions

[@thepopulargirl1784]

I'd love to see an overview of the Otomo.

[@bajiwolf]

I played Shogun 2 (Outdated af version) as Shimazu, I went to the province using ships, and I found they were in war with a ton of clans, the Hattori

[@VvodeAn]

Since you asked the next clan, i say the Ikko Ikki! i love having warrior monks, they are really cool! the problem is, i dont know how to start with them. Your playthrough of the Ikko (yes, the old one) showed me that its very situational. whenever i try to advance on the left side, the Sakai and their allies attack, whenever i advance on the right side, the takeda/uesugi seek my blood :( so yeah, Ikko Ikki Clan please :D

[@TheOneAndOnlyMrPR]

Hey man just want to say you've got very good content. I don't know why you don't have more views, your videos are very well produced and written. Keep it up!

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

Thanks man, appreciate that. I've only just started doing edited content like this a few weeks ago, so that explains why views aren't that amazing yet. Going in the right direction though, since I've started doing these videos my daily subs have tripled and my views have almost doubled.

[@TheOneAndOnlyMrPR]

Just keep it up bruv, work in success out

[@herman1francis]

Can we agree that there's some issues of bad game design on the hattori ninjas? This is a faction supposed to have the best ninjas, therefore it would be thematic to have more of them than other factions. But if they are worst than regular ninjas then what's the point?

[@ScientistMan96]

I'm quite certain that the issue is that the numbers were reversed for the ninjas. Were probably supposed to have the normal Kisho ninja's have 2 ammo, and the Hattori and Tokugawa specialists have the 11, but some coder swapped the 2, and CA don't care about their playerbase enough to change it. There is however a mod that does fix it.

[@herman1francis]

ScientistMan96 do you have a link to it or the name of the mod in steam? i want to play a ninja build next hattori campaign

[@ScientistMan96]

steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=767475614 (edit: The mod is called the "Extended Clan Unit Bonuses Mod" if the link doesn't work. On steam workshop) This mod fixes a lot things wrong or that don't make sense with several units in the game, Hattori included. also makes the Tokugawa ninjas better than normal, but not as good as Hattori's, seeing as Hattori was THE ninja clan.

[@herman1francis]

ScientistMan96 thank you man. i love this game. I guess the time has come for a hattori campaign

[@ScientistMan96]

Good luck. Hattori is amazing fun with that mod, since it also gives the fast and safer climbing to all the kissho trained Hattori units. I end up taking castles, never even bothering with taking the gates, since I never train Cav, so anything else just scales the walls, general included unless I just really need to hammer and anvil a large group. Also the ninjas and firebombs are hilariously good at defense :P Set them at the top of a wall, and anything scaling said wall gets an exploding jar to the face, and his friends that are all in the writhing mass of people waiting to climb just go flying.

[@dararohan1209]

Fun clan to play with. I had much more success with the Hattori than any other clan I tried as a beginner to TW.

[@timthewarlord2304]

The Damn ikko ikki keep declaring war on me and I can only Field one army

[@kleomenis456]

That's the 1st clan I played on was very hard.

[@georgelazenby3607]

Unrelated to the video but damn I love this game. My first ever campaign was the best, playing as the Shimazu. I had no idea about Realm Divide and when it happened I was like, what the fuck is happening here? In later games I always figured strategy out with that in mind but the very first campaign was such a surprise, I loved it. Had everyone kicking my ass and eventually succumbed to multiple amphibious assaults all across my lands. It was a lot of fun though and I can see why they tried it because it worked well on such a small campaign map in comparison with the rest of their titles.

[@vanders4198]

Once you're done with all the playable clans, would you mind doing a Ashikage Shogunate overview? I'm sure you already know, but you just have to use a faction unlocker.

[@VvodeAn]

i cant belive it... he really did it!! oooooh yeeeeee :D

[@comic-concon5602]

Good video

[@richardbanks6637]

I wouldn't delete and upgrade the ninja, use your ninja to sabotage castle towns to your West. This will allow you to manage to defeat the Hatekeyama as well as their ally very quickly, especially if you capture castles without damage. That blitzkrieg will put you in a strong early position rather than a weak opening

[@thienngo7252]

Believe it or not I struggle with other clans but had great success with the Hattori. Sure economy is a bummer but a smaller Hattori army can crash a much bigger enemy force with their shock tactics appearing right in front of them before they can fire their bows or simply laid in ambush at the nearest forest.

[@aaronrowell6943]

Despite the fact that the ninja are bugged since you were incentivized to use them with this clan I find myself enjoying them and I'm very impressed with how capable they are they want me several battles I probably would have lost even with their problems

[@JonatasMonte]

Do the Hattori clan tab also glitches like with other clans? Because of all the clans it would make sense for the Hattori Daimyo to be covered in purple darkness.

[@vJaukbby]

A quick drop-by before I continue down the playlist! Good work, Donkey, though the sound quality reminds me of Devin in his Eternal Law days ^_^ In sieges, would you ever employ the ninjas or do you have any next level strats for scaling those walls quickly?

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

I'm sorry, but if the sound is similar to Devin's Eternal Law series, that's definitely on your side, the sound sounds perfectly fine to me, same as all my other videos. I've never switched mics and it's a Snowball, the quality is 100% acceptable in my opinion. Ninjas are crap, offensive sieges are crap. My next level strats are: siege out the opponent. The better option 99% of the time.

[@vJaukbby]

Wow thanks for letting me know! I went into sound options and some action was checked. Unchecking it made my speakers not "scrat"(in lack of better English ^^) Big thanks! Throwing out them Legendary strats! "Wait for them to starve!", love it ;)

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

Haha, sorry if I came across as harsh, didn't mean it like that. I take pride in my audio quality and thus my ego was scratched :P. It's true though, besieging in an enemy is an easy way to lose hundreds or even thousand of men unnecessarily. If you siege out the opponent either they will just surrender and it doesn't cost you anything (besides maybe a turn of winter attrition) or they'll come out and you will be fighting a defensive field battle, which is the best kind of battle most of the time. The difference in men lost is gigantic, and min-maxing things like that is what's necessary on Legendary, although it's not as important on lower difficulties.

[@vJaukbby]

No worries, mate! I didn't see it like that - and I appreciate you giving it to me straight! ^^ And I could never think less of you! We fans tend to be like that, right? We all have our triggers, y'know ;) Plus you just solved a requiring problem for me, so cheers! I've just had a few head-to-head campaigns where sneaking few ninja units over the walls to capture and secure the tenshju(?) area would be a really viable strat in order to finish the siege before reinforcements showed up, where as - I guess - the AI wouldn't be that susbetable to surprises. "A friend of Dev is a friend of mine" -Me, probably

[@ShinJefLebowski]

With Hattori I love full Nodachi armies, with maybe 2-4 anti cav cav or yaris. the pure devastation of a vanguarded line of Nodachis arriving in the enemy's face is kinda ridiculous.

[@Axzealot]

Oda clan

[@nehukybis]

Hattori have ruined me for playing other clans. They allow me to do what I've always wanted to do in total war- commando raids. You're missing out if you never do offensive sieges. The most fun is when they've left a big castle with not quite enough troops to defend it adequately. If you're patient and clever you can set fire to the gates and towers and murder all the defenders while taking negligible losses. Forget the Kisho Ninjas, they're silly Hollywood stereotypes. A bow ashigaru or katana samurai with kisho training makes for a more historically accurate Iga shinobi anyway. I don't think of the Hattori as a regular clan at all- the Hattori family was influential in Iga, but they never ruled it. When you're playing the Hattori, you're really playing the Iga Ikki- a badass confederation of peasants and Jizamurai. One weird thing about the Hattori family is that it skips the most famous Hattori of all, Hattori Hanzo. The clan leader in the game is Hanzo's (historical) father and the clan leader's son is *Hanzo's* son (who actually should have been the clan leader's grandson). Which is just a strange choice on CA's part.

[@marduk1734]

Foot Clan, but without 2003 Shredder.

[@Kratatch]

I really like these, it is so basic but really helpfull anyway. If anyone sees this 4 years after the video came out, how do the hiding in light brush and grass work? Every time i try and use a ninja unit they get spoted from a mile away. (Even among trees)

[@user-ti4bm4md5y]

I have lost so many campaings on early stage (legandary)... but finally i fooked them all! I fooked cucui, then kitebataka and their protector Oda. Just wait when oda start mess with imagava and strike in the back. Teamup with imagava and trade with Takeda. Ikko ikki, you are fooking next.

[@95beatle]

Takeda! Yari cav for days

[@olly8435]

i retried this campaign so many times and figured out that diplomacy is very important this factions. just ally with ur neighbors instead of attacking and help them defend their lands from oda and ikko ikki. after that i found it at least one thousand times easier.

[@DraconiusDragora]

The Kisho Ninja has one advantage which many people forget. They climb walls quickly and have a less chance of falling down. So if you have a few reinforcing you into sieges, you can use them to get unguarded gates open, get those pesky towers as well. Only real problem with it; If they are caught while climbing, and or caught out of place, they tend to be dead quicker than you can blink. I have had at times fun, where I used Kisho ninjas to go behind the enemy lines, as they opponents fought my main part of the army, I got the kisho to the head building, winning the battle that way. But again their advantage is not the best, specially with their unit size, and how quickly they can be dealt with. Still worth using tactically though. Specially if you can sneak them behind the enemies, and throw their bombs into the backs of them. (Much like how you can get Matchlock units around and shoot enemies butts)

[@arvidlevinsno]

Make a video about the imagawa clan plz

[@ReviveHF]

The Vietcong of Sengoku Jidai.

[@bryanvickers3961]

Do note that the Hattori's traits say nothing about superior Kisho Ninjas. Just the fact that Hattori specific units can hide effectively in battle.

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

True, but Kisho Ninja's already have Kisho Training, yet they have received the name change 'Hattori Kisho Ninja' meaning they have received changes. Why would those changes be anything other than an upgrade?

[@Ishanusharma]

These videos are really good. Do you play warhammer?

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

I do, but I'm not currently planning on doing these overviews on them. I did one for the Wood Elves just after it released and the views were terrible, so I decided it wasn't worth the effort it takes to make these.

[@thebladeofchaos]

I have a question for you...and it's a personal opinion moment. If you could change the Kisho Ninja in any way, aside from the obvious of 'giving them more ammo' (I'm calling that a fix) what would you do to them to make them more competitive?

[@brianpembrook9164]

I wouldn't give them more ammo. Due to a short range the bombs often go off right in front of them if the enemy is able to see them. Lost several squads to their own bombs. Their stealth ability gives them such good melee buffs that it is a waste to use it to cover them on a bombing run. 1. Reduce the cooldown of that stealth ability. Except sieges it is rare for me to use it twice. 2. An extra point of armor, 2 extra melee defense. These guys are the 'focus' unit of the faction; you would expect them to be tougher. 3. Let bomb kills count for XP. (More of a 'everyone' fix than Hattori)

[@jaredkutney7075]

Have you considered doing a takeda clan over view ?

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

I've considered doing all of them, that's the plan anyway, only doing 1 a week though. Seeing what clan people want to see most and then I do that.

[@directrulefromgamerchair3947]

One thing to remember is that is's possible to take Kyoto on turn 1 as the Hattori.

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

Yeah, and make your campaign infinitely harder, sure.

[@directrulefromgamerchair3947]

True, although it's fun to do as a once off on lower difficulty settings. It's a different way of making the campaign hard than "here AI have shitloads of money and buffed units".

[@andrewmccarren4161]

i feel that it is a good idea to make an allie with the TAKEDA

[@captainsternn7684]

That's a great idea! ...Until _Realm Divide_

[@knightkingsly9177]

Gold

[@majorearl12]

Ive played a co-op campaign, me being Hattori, my friend being Oda. Without Oda help i was able to take over most of the western portions of the map, while the Oda took over the entire eastern portions of the map. Hattori are pretty awesome once you get their war machine going, then you can easily wipe out your enemies through some strategic thinking.

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

'Without Oda help' isn't right though is it. Simply having them not attack you since they're allied to you is a big help. If the Oda declare war on you, you can be in a world of trouble. Either way, I never said it's not possible to play the Hattori campaign without alliances, they just help a lot.

[@majorearl12]

MrSmartDonkeyLP Oh yeah, late game Oda become OP. My friend had several stacks, and could literally spam them out. It took me awhile to get one stack out.

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

I've found that it's definitely related to difficulty. I've had a lot of people tell me this now, and they all tell me they play on lower difficulties. The Oda appear to be do better on higher difficulties. You can check my Legendary campaigns, in most of them the Oda is one of the larger clans I end up fighting.

[@Supperdude9]

Sneaky bois.

[@bryanvickers3961]

Do Takeda next.

[@andrewmccarren4161]

And to help them in a war

[@leofleitas6651]

Hi, I'm a fan of your vídeos. Could you do one about the kisho ninjas sms how to use them? Because I see that you don't use them but they aren't in your top worst units of the game.

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

My suggestion would be to not use them. If I were to re-do the top 5 worst units video I would take out the Fire Rockets and put Kisho Ninjas in their stead.

[@leofleitas6651]

Thanks buddy

[@RocketHarry865]

I think the Hattori should have been renamed to the Iga Sokoku Ikki

[@jubei511]

I didn't finish the last minute and then got 70 turns in using bow ashigaru... I regret nothing more.. Own half the continent with 0 allies and war with every clan and only bow ashigaru to defend myself..

[@deanfraiser2792]

Do you have any of these kinds of videos for other total war games?

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

I made one for the Wood Elves when they were just released but that's it.

[@sdjkdhads3]

I thought kisho ninjas are good early on the game? Since they can be recruited with 5 exp with the right buildings.

[@Tespri]

You sure there isn't any hidden stats on hattori ninja's? CA has bad habbit to keep some information hidden. Also, I have done full ninja playthroughs where I make my main army only out of ninja's with serious armor and attack upgrades. They do demolish whole armies with those :D

[@bismohimawan309]

My name is obi. Maybe you can tell about Mori or Ikko-Ikki?

[@neymarmessironaldo5881]

Hattori backstabed me and they lost all territories

[@sethguest781]

Hattori Hanzo had ambition and cunning but the other clans just wouldn't give him a chance! If he had all in his favor, he could well have been the warrior to unify Japan!

[@TheManofthecross]

well since those guys start right at kyoto anyway they have easy acess to a trade partner though idk how well they can go in terms of gleaming combat xp off of those guys anyway with out losing half of your force to bribes etc. in either case with kyoto right next door you got to be ready to take it with them anyway.

[@saitamablz1512]

KIsho ninja best invade castle

[@68wolverine69]

how do you get the hattori hanzo unit in campaign with out using mod ?

[@alibeyzae7445]

i tried 5 time whit hattori on legendry but cant get more 5 region when i fight whit larger clan smaler clan will backstab me when exactly in war whit larger clan

[@rishkoi7488]

Hojo!~

[@Viccatrix]

Just get the mod that fixes their ninjas

[@battlesevengames9479]

TF why don’t I see the hattori when I try to create a campaign I’ve tried all dlc

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

Are you sure? kzbin.info/www/bejne/sHPElHZqZ6eqZ68

[@xtm8194]

Bandits are awesome. I use them to mow down a huge portion of the enemy before I send in the rest of my infantry units. Less casualties means that you will be ready for the next fight sooner. I initiate battles with a full stack of bandits and have the main army come in as reinforcements. Hattori Bandits are safer to use than Bow Ashigaru. It's best to keep them near forests where they can initiate and disengage with ease.

[@originalamerican9396]

My favorite clan to use. Probably because I Ninja spam and just assassinate my enemies, let the leaderless armies crush themselves against my walls, then run down the weakened army with my fresh one.

[@alvis6970]

Can someone link the background music?

[@Niffie]

Brudder frum anudder mudder?

[@ormagodendio2893]

Ikko ikki please.

[@ObileenS]

Date

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

Why don't you introduce yourself first, I'm not sure I'm ready to go on a date straight away. :)

[@ObileenS]

Blind dates are more exciting ! :>

[@bezukaking6860]

(Whispering to Obileen) "someone throw a Kisho Ninja blinding grenade and capture the Donkey! Date Masamune's orders!"

[@emocowboy4684]

what?

[@bezukaking6860]

Kisho ninja throws a flashbang at Masamune, = a blind Date

[@edwardmcintosh7952]

Oda one of the stronger clans early on? Then why is it every time I play the campaign, they are the second major clan to die?

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

Because you're playing on a lower difficulty and they get double teamed. On Legendary difficulty they almost always become one of the largest clans, you can check my Let's Plays for proof.

[@edwardmcintosh7952]

No I believe you. Started a Hojo campaign and the Oda have taken the shogunate, made alot of allies including the Hojo (thanks to that diplomacy mod) and have more or less halted any westward expansion, save for sailing around to Chugoku.

[@dracuraptorii5132]

i have played easy difficulty, which i hate to admit so much, and generally from 1st through 5th these are the major clans that usually go out first. 1. tokugawa 2. oda 3. mori 4. chosokabe 5. hojo. side note: i see the hojo as red, black and blue terrorists. you know, for kids as for the fots, the only major clans i've seen go down are these choshu...in one round and the sendai

[@dawood4626]

I become hattori and make the tsutsui my vassal. I was defeated by a massive army of ikko ikki but my vassals have larger army and make a decisive comeback on the ikko ikki. I am surprised they just don t betray me even though they are 5 times more powerful than me after my army was destroyed in iga.😂😂😂

[@iamcleaver6854]

I totally disagree that Hattori have a bad starting position. While it is not the best, it is not the worst by far. You can quickly take control of the flatlada around Kyota and than the Chosokobe island (forgot the name). Having Kyoto surrouded will help you take the Shogunate after realm devide. Uesugi and Takeda starting positions are much worse (imo). Again, maybe that is true on Hatd/Legendary. I don't play on them so I cannot judge.

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

I said one of the hardest starting positions, not the hardest. I agree the Takeda and Uesugi starting positions are just as hard or harder. Even with those 2 included, that still puts them in the 3 toughest starting locations, which still falls under 'one of the hardest'. I'm starting to think you're one of those people that just comments to show they disagree with whoever makes the video, for the sake of disagreeing.

[@iamcleaver6854]

***** No, it is just most people see no point in writing a comment if they agree with everything, so most of the comments will be from the people who disagree on some matter. I watched about 8 of your videos today and I found nothing i disagree in any of them but the two I wrote a comment to.

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

Ah alright, that's my bad then. Sorry, overreacted a bit I suppose.

[@james-97209]

MrSmartDonkeyLP when it comes to starting I think that the oda hojo otomo date and shimazu have the best starting positions (the oda because you usual win the war with saito and imagawa and then you are 3 provinces away from kyoto which aren't that difficult to take ) and the other 4 clans because you need to expand only towards one direction

[@datuputi777]

Must leave iga and migrate...

[@benerdick_cumberbiatch]

(◉‿◉) But Donkey sake dens can be upgraded to gambling halls straight away which give you the same 200 to wealth as markets and you get 3 provincial happiness! Its also been proven that upgrading markets is useless so criminal syndicates will give you 350 which is even better. ◔◡◉ [edit: I changed it to lowercase]

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

Lol, where did you find proof that upgrading markets is useless? I don't tend to upgrade them in most towns, but I do for sure in the towns where I put my Metsukes. Upgrading the market twice means they make several hundred koku more every turn. Also, if you all caps I can't take you seriously, you sound like a twelve year old.

[@benerdick_cumberbiatch]

Here's where I found the evidence forums.totalwar.com/discussion/16872/the-uselesness-of-large-market-buildings-master-equation I was kind of a joking that's why I wrote it in all caps. Putting metsuke in towns makes up for markets providing the same amount of wealth as sake dens and having less than criminal syndicates right?

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

So I can't be bothered to read the entire thread or I'd still be reading tomorrow, but after scamming it, it seems the consensus is exactly how I play the game. You only upgrade the markets in 5 different towns, the ones where I put my Metsukes, but in those towns I also build and upgrade sake dens, because they are my money-making towns. This isn't news, this is how I've played just about every campaign so far. I also have been building sake dens over markets in most towns in recent campaigns because of happiness. Later in the game when I capture towns that have more than 1 building slot I usually build both.

[@CanWeGoBackRIPhiphop]

I played a game where the Ashikage had taken Omi.

[@BeeWaifu]

There's a mod that fixed the ammo glitch.

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

I'm aware, but that's not part of the base game, so I don't include it in the video.

[@BeeWaifu]

@@MrSmartDonkeyLP I know. I just thought I'd tell you in-case you weren't aware, so you can enjoy the sneaky-boyz when you play this clan.

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

Well, I already did a Hattori Legendary campaigns years ago and I have one going on the channel currently with Stealth Units Only in which I use a mod that fixes the Kisho Ninja.

[@BeeWaifu]

@@MrSmartDonkeyLP Oh, well then as long as you've got that never mind. Since we're speaking of mods, do you know of the Fall of the Samurai mod Unequal Treaties?

[@andrewlykov2941]

Hi mr SmartDonkey i want to qution you,how do you think,kisho ninja is good unit?And whats using of they is more effective?

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

I'm not quite sure what you mean. I'm assuming your question is whether I think Kisho Ninja are good, and how to use them effectively? If those are your questions, then my answers are; No, I don't think Kisho Ninja are a good unit, but if you are going to use them, try and use them on the flanks, throw a single volley of fire bombs, then throw flash bombs and then charge.

[@andrewlykov2941]

thanks you very match.Im using them identical.Best way to use them i think.

[@ThreezeNiNja]

Andrew Lykov In coop campaign I gave control of Kisho NiNja to my ally. They require micro but can assinate key units. Also great in offensive siege battle of larger castles, sneak in to capture.

[@andrewlykov2941]

ohh,your right.For me this not bad unit.But they so match cost and very easy to kill.If you have 3 ninja units you can use them so effectly.

[@CMDRFandragon]

SO Hattori is the clan with the super ninjas. Or maybe all ninjas feel amazing, since my Shimazu agents are absolutely WORTHLESS........like, legit, the only way I ever get a worth a shit agent is through reloading after they die.... I even had a 95% chance for my Ninja to succeed and he fking DIED......

[@rastacolony7430]

can you do ikko ikki or chosokabe

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

Ikko Ikki is coming up next.

[@rastacolony7430]

thank you :) love those overviews it helps very much with choosing a campaign clan. Cant seem to find a good guide for wich clan is good and wich is worse. SO thank you

[@fireblast8972]

MrSmartDonkeyLP where would you rank the Tokugawa overview in the list to come? Timewise, I mean

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

No idea, going to go off the clans people request on each video. Make sure to leave a comment requesting the Tokugawa to be next when I upload the Ikko Ikki overview next Tuesday.

[@Brandonhayhew]

Question: were real ninjas were they associate with the Yakuzaor Japanese mafia?

[@RKNGL]

Well the Yakuza trace a lot of their history back to the Metsuke. So the Yakuza would help commonly help catch Ninja. Though obviously their are exceptions to this.

[@FShani]

Not to the Yakuza specifically, but ninja did have ties to various criminal elements. Keep in mind what's deemed criminal is based on the social structure of the time, and ninja more or less rejected the social order of samurai-dominated society. Most Yakuza groups began in the interest of protecting towns and villages from abuse or neglect by samurai overlords. Ninja first and foremost owed loyalty to their home villages and clans, and secondly to the samurai lords they worked for. Most of the time there would be a conflict of interest between the ninja and the Yakuza, but at times they could cooperate.

[@noneofyourbusiness3288]

Hattori: Build Lots of Yari Ashigaru, besiege Kyoto, wait for their "superior" army of bow-samurai to attack: use vanguard deployment to get in close and slaughter them all. ^^

[@svetlanamarsenic7209]

initial chalenge normal haha, on very hard difficulty after turn 10, 4 different factions are coming for you with full stack (20 units) , 1 by 1... no one can defend against that ai cheating

[@kleomenis456]

I am pretty sure they patched the Hattori ninjas

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

Nah, they never did, you need to use a mod to patch them.

[@kleomenis456]

@@MrSmartDonkeyLP not even today!?

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

Nope, afraid not. They haven’t patched Shogun 2 in years and I doubt they will again, it’s been out for 10 years next month.

[@kleomenis456]

@@MrSmartDonkeyLP oh ok thanx

[@darksoulemma395]

The Hattori were known as one of ancient special forces in the world, the warriors were almost undetected by the enemy, the Hattori ninjas worked in silence, but they were weak against experienced samurai that mastered their light resting in order to react on time

[@basscom1]

This strategy was terrible. I did much better with the usual army composition of some monk archers. An entire ashigaru army gets annihilated once I go up against another army.

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

Is the strategy terrible or are you terrible? It’s an early game army, when you come up against mostly other Ashigaru armies. Either way though any decent player can finish the game with just Ashigaru armies, pretty easily in fact with Yari Ashigaru punching well above it’s weight in Yari Wall.

[@bajiwolf]

Hattori seems horrible to me

[@ThreezeNiNja]

I believe Ikko-Ikki are to the west ...

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

They own Echizen and Kaga, those are north of Omi.

[@ThreezeNiNja]

What I'm saying is that Up on the map is West, to the right is North. Shogun maps of Japan are not oriented in the same direction as European maps.

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

Google any map of Japan and it's still north, and even if you were right I would never say west because it would confuse everyone who's not aware of that.

[@justascientist8920]

MrSmartDonkeyLP battle of Seikhara is west (left) and east (right) of Japan. SmartDonkey is correct

[@JonatasAdoM]

Hattori is the luck clan, if the RNG favours you there's nothing the AI can do to harm you.