MORI CLAN OVERVIEW - Total War: Shogun 2!

[@Quincy_Morris]

Yari Drill Yard: Exists Market: “I’m about to end this mans whole career”

[@Vesporeon]

Lol

[@RocketHarry865]

@@Vesporeon I think its time that Yari Ashigaru need re-balancing. From now on Yari and Bow ashigaru are going to need military buildings to be recruitable. Instead they are replaced by Yari and Bow Levies. Levies come in very large numbers being the same size as Ikko Ikki ashigaru, very cheap in recruitment and upkeep and do not need any prerequisite buildings however they have worse stats and very low morale. Also both levies lack the abilities of the higher tier units. Bow Levies lack fire arrows, while Yari Levies being armed with short spears lack the yari wall ability Ashigaru will have improved combat stats but now are slightly more expensive and require prerequistite for their types. Bow Ashigaru now needs the Archery Dojo, Yari Ashigaru now needs the Yari Drill Yard and Loan Sword Ashigaru are now recruitable to every clan and require the Sword School. The samurai units that were previously recruitable from these buildings have been moved up to the next tier and now have vastly improved stats. Also Katana samurai and katana cavalry will be completely removed. Now that Katana samurai have been removed the Shimazu clan will be compensated by giving small bonuses to all their samurai units essentially making them the anti oda.

[@Hyena-hy2ni]

Adam Baker ashigaru are levies wtf are you talking about

[@RocketHarry865]

@@Hyena-hy2ni historically ashigaru did started out as levied peasants but by the late shengoku jidai period they evolved into a professional soldier class that was below the samurai. The levy units I propose should represent the early period ashigaru while the improved versions of the current ashigaru represent the professional ashigaru of the latter peroid

[@yish14]

@@RocketHarry865 what if instead, the ashigaru units get unlocked through technologies rather than buildings? For example, the way of the bow unlocks recruitment of bow ashigaru. It would make the evolution of these units more time-based, and emulate the trend of desiring a middle ground between cheap but crappy levies and good but small/expensive samurai to field larger armies

[@pchwang]

Trivia: Mori Motonari and his sons were the inspiration for Akira Kurosawa's film "Ran." It's an adaptation of King Lear!

[@ivanvoronov3871]

I never knew ran was based on the mori, thanks

[@something7609]

Shogun 1 intensifies

[@strangerakari2836]

No, Mori Motonari is cursed giant and his daughters are sexy maids.

[@madwolf0966]

Heard about Ran from Ralphthenoviemaker

[@captainkangaroo316]

Noice

[@yintaiji9712]

Would've been cool if they got a special nihon maru with more men, faster speed and/or lower half cannons. To make it a real crown jewel of Japan.

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

Yeah, I would've liked to have seen a little more effort put into the Mori naval 'superiority' too.

[@yintaiji9712]

***** The ability to use the infantry on ships as an army would be cool, there aren't too many people on the ships so it wouldn't be op but it could reinforce and army or be a distraction. That would have easily made them one of the better clans in the game

[@ashina2146]

Hey Mr98%SmartDonkey,you forgot one thing that makes Mori the master of cheap ships. Mostly Clan Special units like Shimazu Katana Samurai,Chosokabe Bow Samurai,Date No-Dachi Samurai,and Oda Yari Ashigaru has this -25 Upkeep Cost,like Shimazu,Chosokabe,and Date Special Samurai has 125 Upkeep,instead of 150 Upkeep. all exception is the mori,their Bow Kobaya,and medium bune are better at combat,with more men,but Look at their Heavy Bune for example. Heavy bune cost 175 Upkeep,and Mori Heavy bune only need 100 Upkeep,which means while normal clans has 4 Heavy bune for 700 Upkeep,the mori can have 7 Heavy Bune with the same 700 upkeep. I could go on about their hillariously wtf ship Upkeep cost,but I leave the Heavy bune here,for example.

[@crusaderofthelowlands3750]

But naval battles aren't as important in the vanilla version of the game. Yes, protecting trade notes is important early game, but once real divide starts, your provinces alone should be able to sustain your army. And while naval invasions are annoying, they are not nearly as frequent as land stacks moving on you. I don't think I've ever had a campaign in which I had more than 10 ships (excluding trade ships), on any difficulty.

[@notanonymous3976]

if u got a fat navy protecting your trade nodes you dont need to worry about being self sustaining from your provinces and you can repel enemy landings

[@koreancowboy42]

But most of the land battles is more crucial than naval and the trade nodes. Trade nodes are only useful for clans that are actually near them can are able to compete with other naval powers. For myself playing as Oda, I can easily beat the mori and just spend most of my earnings on improving my naval power

[@Joker-yw9hl]

Just going to add my comment to this thread. I've recently finished both an Oda and a Mori campaign, and with the Oda I didn't bother with having a navy at all, whereas with the Mori I went all-in on capturing every trade node apart from the one in the far north-east. For a clan situated nearby the trade nodes it's definitely worth investing in a navy. The most underrated thing about having a navy in this game is the ability to prevent enemy landings behind your lines. I can't tell you how many armies I have sunk in my Mori campaign that were headed to unguarded territories via boat. In my Oda campaign I got backdoored plenty of times during Realm Divide where enemies sailed full stacks behind my lines in the north-east... It was a pain in the ass and made my western push a bit more challenging. As the Mori I had no such trouble. Yes maintaining a navy can be a pain in the ass, especially during Realm Divide, but once you establish dominance of both the southern and northern coasts it's a breeze and much less stressful than having enemy invasions via the sea all the time. The trade nodes in this game aren't as ridiculously OP as they are in Napoleon, and in fact when I looked at my finances as the Mori I was shocked that all my trade income went on maintaining my fleets - but these fleets were preventing me from getting backdoored by enemy stacks, and enabled me to push uninterrupted on land, so... You can definitely play without bothering with a navy so I can understand that argument, but it was cool playing as the Mori and thematically giving a shit about the navy. Plus as you push east and eliminate more clans you can gradually disband any excess ships and rake in extreme bank

[@Lionbug]

The absolute BEST thing to do with mori is to immediately invade the shimazu Capital and spam upgraded wako raiders :D

[@chemicalconfusion6164]

Lion Reichelt never thought to to do that

[@Erier]

Bizen is closer

[@fanyechao2761]

@@Erier Bizen has no port, you need port for woko

[@andi8343]

Liked that reference to poor floki in the beginning, nice Video as usual too.

[@chemicalconfusion6164]

Andi Das smart reverences, a good show as well

[@fireblast8972]

just going to point it out, but back in your top 15 unique units list you said wako raiders essentially have the same thing as kisho training, if so then perhaps instead of using them as front-liners, you can use them as flankers since they seem to have more sustainability in standard fighting than light cav., and can already be hidden in a position where the enemy cannot see until you have already charged them from behind, from there, now the enemy has strong fighters on both sides. just a thought

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

That's a valuable tactic. I don't tend to put too much value in vanguard deployment usually, but if that's your thing it's definitely a good tactic. They'd be better at it than Ninjas as long as you can keep them hidden long enough.

[@GAMER123GAMING]

@@MrSmartDonkeyLP 7 years late and admitedly im playing a modded campaign on easy as hojo and i breezed through oda, ikko ikki, taked and hojo all before turn 100 by just having yari ashigaru and some archers and charging right into them. with some kisho ninja behind the main line to throw bombs to further cripple their morale. Its strong.

[@JuergenGDB]

Also of note... @ 1:52 Bingo and Izumo are great defensive provinces with castles. This will allow you to provide a defense on land while your navy patrols or takes the Sea Trade routes. You can then push towards Nagato and Suo.. then onward to Kyushu Island, then take over Shikoku. By then you should own most of the Sea trade lanes and be rich as hell, all the while you only really have to defend two provinces while you take at least 3 armies on your conquest, and possibly returning one to reinforce your defense.

[@butter5842]

If there’s a building that you don’t need, burn it. It’s taking up a valuable slot and if you lose the province it will only benefit the enemy. Same thing applies if you’re going to lose a province soon and don’t expect to take it back.

[@Tichrai2]

i once won a hard, long campaign by rushing wako raiders and then only, and i mean, only recruiting wako raiders. used their extended deployment zone to put half in front and half behind the enemys deployment zone, then right clicking them all in for the kill :p

[@kaijuslayer3334]

The one really good thing about the Mori is that while the actual combat boosts of their ships aren’t too interesting, they solve the biggest problem with establishing a decent enough navy to control the sea and trade ports, and that is ships in Shogun 2 can quickly cost a lot in upkeep. Meanwhile the Mori’s reduced upkeep bonus is the best version of this trait out of any clans for their own unique traits. This allows the Mori to field a decently larger and better navy then any other clan for the exact same upkeep cost. Or field the same sized navy for a drastically cheaper price. Which is vital when with the Mori’s lack of unique bonuses on land, you having the extra money to fund a army that is good regardless of bonuses is quite useful.

[@TheLoyalOfficer]

I think the Mori are the HARDEST clan of them all! Every time I build a fleet, it gets overwhelmed and sunk! So I try to play all land, which makes my armies quite plain.

[@JonatasMonte]

You made this video on my birthday and I loved the Vikings reference!

[@Bashkadaf]

Playing Mori was always pain in the but because of their location. My strategy is to dump home province. Recruit several unit's, board on ship and conquer Satsuma, wait until AI take your capital. Now you've got your new capital with port and blacksmith, much more easy way to control importe trade nodes, more safe position to develop and the whole juicy island to top it off.

[@RocketHarry865]

I would of like the Mori ships to have more than just extra morale but also they should have greater accuracy, speed, maneuverability and melee capability. Also the Mori victory video sucks as it is a reskin of the Sizmasu victory, which is lame considering that the Mori have their own unique defeat video

[@Takerith]

Tokugawa after this, I suppose. What's your plan after this? Other Shogun tutorials or moving on to a different game?

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

More tutorials on different subject in Shogun 2. The straight up replacement of this series will be the Clan Overviews for FotS clans though.

[@hieniemic]

Can't wait for your FotS overviews, seriously!

[@lobhabbrea]

Any plans for a Rome 2 version of this series?

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

Not really, I think they'd be enjoyable, but likely not worth it. I wouldn't get anywhere near the views because my channel is focused so heavily on Shogun 2. I tried doing one for the Wood Elves on Warhammer when they released, but it barely got a fraction of the views the Shogun 2 videos get.

[@pygmalioninvenus6057]

Well Mr. Donkey keep in mind as a top tier Shogun 2 player you made a name for yourself with your videos. You can do the same thing with other Total War or even other strategy series as well and it'd be easier since people already know you from Shogun 2.

[@colmoe]

Very nice. I careless for the Mori. That is since my extent of navies is invading Tsushima, Oki and Honma islands (expanded Japan mod)

[@JonatasAdoM]

I don't know if it is hardcoded into the game but on VH the great clans are amongst the first to be destroyed.

[@lobhabbrea]

Would be nice if Red Seal Ships had cannons.

[@notanonymous3976]

i think they get cannons if u christian

[@tristanstaguinod2964]

No

[@SomeRandomHistoryGuy]

@@notanonymous3976 Red Seal Ships dont have any ways to defend their selves

[@theokami693]

Remember to put this in your "Clan Overview" playlist

[@tenriayukawa5478]

Mori has famous figures in their family. Motonari and his son Takakage.

[@_Gandalf_The_White]

Never played as Mori, this video convinced me otherwise quite fun! :D

[@ralpthegreat1694]

mori, mori, mori, mori . . . *ＭＯＲＩＯＨ ＣＨＯ！Radio~*

[@indraciptapm4770]

Beautiful.

[@user-ps4mw5om4j]

Even though this faction is kind of bad, i find it easier to win with this than say Takeda

[@cultofmalgus1310]

The first Clan that I became Shogun with. :)

[@saberpendragon271]

Otomo for me... Christianize all them clans ^^

[@lesdodoclips3915]

Otomo 🤝

[@robertboyle6330]

Out of curiosity, how many hours have you packed into Shogun 2?

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

Just over 1000 hours.

[@bjorndevlieger8565]

I usualy never dismantle the yari drill yard for the reason i try and get warrior monks as fast as i can or yari cavalry

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

I prefer getting them in a province with a blacksmith, and early on getting extra money is far more important, at least on legendary difficulty.

[@bjorndevlieger8565]

smart incredible smart

[@crusaderofthelowlands3750]

Does the blacksmith just east of Aki have a military port? Because if it does, you can build armoured Mori Wako-Raiders. All of Japan will envy your advanced loan sword ashigaru.

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

There is no blacksmith west of Aki unless you mean the one in Satsuma, on Kyushu. There is a blacksmith east of Aki, but it doesn't have a port.

[@crusaderofthelowlands3750]

Yes, I meant east. My bad. And that's a shame. Would be great getting armoured raiders out. I guess the only option then is to slay the Shimazu, take their province, make them there and transport them by ship.

[@courtoismakemho]

what do "admiral" and "pirate" skills mean in the skills tree? I cant see what are their effects

[@marcusvinicius-yo4ii]

My japanese wife's last is Mori 毛利 😎 my last name is Kempa (from ancient germanic ancestry : Viking Huskarls/German Knights 😎😎

[@JP-rf8rr]

Is it smart to ally with the otomo while playing this faction? It just seems like it secures a whole front.

[@colbybundy6082]

do you have a video listing all the clans by favorite to least favorite?

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

Nah, might make one at some point though.

[@colbybundy6082]

MrSmartDonkeyLP sweet

[@siegelink9549]

I think he should make a list of the easiest factions to the hardest. Shimazu and Oda and the bottom and Tokugawa and Uesugi the top. but the ones in the middle I would want to see your opinion on. I personally love the chosokabe clan traits but HATE there position for 1 stupid reason. you cannot walk onto the main island from the small island that is part of the island of Shikoku. Meaning you have to navel invade to get off your island. Say that, a full stack naval invades your capital. The only way you can bring solders back is by ships, witch can very easily get sunk unless you invest A LOT into your navel force. it also means there is 0 retreating or regrouping. also if you look on the map where I said earlier, you are so close to the main island that it makes 0 since that you can't walk forces over.

[@jare3459]

Considering they most battles are on land I don't really see my self using them

[@comradebear9477]

Control the trade nodes & you'll have 10K koku extra every turn. Raid the trade routes with 2-3 fleets & you'll choke your enemies for practically no costs. The Seto Inland Sea trade routes can get you 3K for a single raiding fleet. Then you just need to spam Ashigaru. I like Mori since you can roleplay as the defenders of Japanese culture against the Christian heretics on Kyushu.

[@jare3459]

@@comradebear9477 I know trade roots pay well but I never go for them unless they close to me

[@XDrakePhoenixX]

Every time I see Mori, I think of Moritani in Kotorua-san.

[@foxshoot3138]

haha my black ship goes brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[@julvadas]

why you stopped making fall of samurai faction reviews? by the way thank you for these uploads ,i found nit verry usefull ,cheers

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

How did you come to the conclusion I stopped doing them? I never did more than 1 a week, and the last one was uploaded last Saturday. Next one will probably go up sometime during next week as I'm doing a different edited video for today.

[@julvadas]

MrSmartDonkeyLP okay thanks ,hope to see more clans soon

[@cr7y44]

When you need to conquer land, but your speciality is at better ship lmao

[@olehelbing6391]

Plz Tokugawa

[@tavernburner3066]

"pathetic" -Yi sun-shin

[@Remitonov]

There's the Morning Sun mod if you're looking to bring these pirating lords to heel as the hero of Joseon.

[@kanakadurga9880]

I love mori

[@FugieGamers]

Masters of the seas are the otomo because they are cristian

[@KyoushaPumpItUp]

Me when playing Mori: Eliminate your first enemy then start building garrison troops at the border provinces then build army to conquer shikoku then proceed to kyushu then convert to christianity.

[@calebtimes453]

Ian Cabugsa Why convert to Christianity?

[@KyoushaPumpItUp]

Sergio Milho so you can trade with everyone while you use your priests to incite rebellion in their provinces so you can take them after the rebels take control of their provinces.

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

I've never really found that to be a good tactic, at all. Let's say clans with 10 regions probably have about 2-3 armies, most of their provinces would be empty. You start making those provinces rebel you're giving every single territory an army that's sitting in the town, plus you'll have to repair all the buildings when you take them, how is that a good tactic? You're just making things harder on yourself.

[@KyoushaPumpItUp]

***** the reason why i do this is because i usually have 6000+ gold income because of trade which makes me think that i can afford to repair those buildings. But I see your point. I'll try this clan again without converting to christianity.

[@re-birth8865]

Become Christian for blunderbuss toting pirate playstyle

[@drcatsville4467]

But what if i want to convert to Christianity, then i can not use monks, what other units i can use to replace them

[@edersonnico]

You cannot use the monks troops tree. But you get early access to matchlock ashigarus, canon artillery and a really strong canon ship. Instead of the monk agent, you have the christian missionary. Which is basically the same agent. You can build churches which are roughly equivalent to first level temples. The christian units as well as the churches and missionaries are available as soon as you convert while the buddhist monks require research. Becoming a christian gives -2 penalty to the daimyo honour: affects the loyalty of your generals, diplomacy and the happines in all your cities. It also gives an extra diplomatic penalty on top of the honour one. Having population of a religion different from your faction gives a high penalty to the public order and 90% of the map are buddhists.

[@JafuetTheSame]

Bingo and Bitchu?

[@leonst.7471]

Pff masters of the waves. 1 nanban ship is a you need

[@Hyena-hy2ni]

Leon St. dem overpowered they can turn ships into piles of ashes and any motherfucker to get too close will taste lead balls

[@matthijsvancampen7901]

Im new to this game how does one build the nihon maru

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

You get one when you become Shogun. If you lose that one you can build another one if you have a Drydock.

[@MalakianM2S]

The most annoying clan to play, imho, all bonus for ships but playing with boats is like ordering a pie and realizing it has no filling

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

Ha, I read this comment an hour ago and thought it was a weird analagy, now I’m watching Episode 5 of The Witcher and it all makes sense to me 😝

[@MalakianM2S]

@@MrSmartDonkeyLP They sooo had that conversation ^_^

[@PedroRodrigues-je6xp]

There's a province named bitchu....

[@thenut55555]

is mori turning to christian it's worth it ?

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

I'd say so, if there's any clan that would be good to turn Christian with, it'd be the Mori. I just can't be bothered with the hassle of converting every province. It would be good to spice things up with, but for efficiency's sake, I'd stay Buddhist.

[@thenut55555]

hey thank for replying and i recently sub to you channel.

[@epsilon3821]

Actually, in the long term, the mori would greatly benefit from Christianity because it would grant them the ability to recruit gunpowder ships as well as new gun units. However, I would recommend this mainly for experienced players as doing this would hurt diplomatic relations and make other clans more likely to attack you. But who knows, perhaps you could handle being a Christian daimyo.

[@thenut55555]

for honor i do make vassal and get destroyed by incite revolt which you don't lose you honor by doing that.

[@iosiasaemilius2795]

u can just turn them into christian tho

[@calebtimes453]

Is their a European faction

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

Nope, although the Otomo does get access to the Portuguese Tercos unit.

[@jackcanox4015]

Who cares about mori superior ships...otomo will still smack your ass at sea with nanban ttade ships

[@The_Dodge_Meister]

mori have better nanban trade ships lol

[@shinramenenjoyer]

Lol one province is called bitchu

[@iliaskoumou2980]

This isn't west!!!!!!

[@hamzaferoz6162]

Mori and Hojo two of the most useless clans in Shogun 2

[@lord0thief]

"Master shit builders"

[@duypham-nt1mp]

mori the useless faction than tokugawa

[@filipzietek5146]

I distrust people who enjoy campaign in total wars as this type of people must also enjoy tormenting handicapped people

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

This definitely makes sense.

[@filipzietek5146]

@@MrSmartDonkeyLP It's scary how much sense it makes.

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

In what world does that comment make sense?