Have Manchester United bought the wrong goalkeeper?

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Manchester United have not had a great start to the season. And their new goalkeeper Andre Onana has a challenging start to his career at Old Trafford.
He has already made a few high-profile mistakes, and his underlying numbers suggest he’s performing much lower than expected.
But Man Utd didn’t buy him for his shot-stopping, they bought him for his distribution. Yet that hasn’t been up to scratch either. As Alex Barker explains.
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
00:18 Onana's Errors
01:57 What Onana was signed for
03:58 Goalkeepers and their teams' styles of play
05:47 Manchester United are unstable
07:21 How Onana is impacted by Man Utd's problems
08:32 What's the solution?
11:39 Conclusion
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@fyanrriend
@fyanrriend 7 ай бұрын
United's defence and midfield have done him no favours, but at the end of the day he has made more mistakes and poor save attempts within the first 10 games of the season than some keepers would have a compilation of for a whole season. He's a decent distributor but his stature leaves a lot to be desired
@Paulkruz1
@Paulkruz1 7 ай бұрын
See why De Gea is the best?
@razaabbas6605
@razaabbas6605 7 ай бұрын
​@@Paulkruz1de gea was great short term but not long term, we should have gone for Diego costa
@A-Port-In-Any-Storm
@A-Port-In-Any-Storm 7 ай бұрын
@@razaabbas6605 diego costa was pretty good at scoring goals, not so much stopping them i'd think
@Paulkruz1
@Paulkruz1 7 ай бұрын
We have a manager that can't handle strong characters @@razaabbas6605
@-_-DatDude
@-_-DatDude 7 ай бұрын
@@razaabbas6605 Diogo Costa* and he was dog crap at the world cup. That was his audition for the big clubs which he failed spectaculary as nobody watches Primeira Liga. It's easy to peform when the spotlight is off you and you're not getting overanalyzed every week.
@FootballDrawn
@FootballDrawn 7 ай бұрын
People forget that his form at Inter was due to the fact that he shielded by Bastoni, Acerbi, and Skriniar/de Vrij...by FAR, Serie A's best defense line. Brilliant video, as always ⚽⚽⚽⚽⚽⚽⚽
@guneytopal1713
@guneytopal1713 7 ай бұрын
Wait wait, so you’re telling me that Maguire and Jones isn’t on par with those Serie A frauds????
@FootballDrawn
@FootballDrawn 7 ай бұрын
@@guneytopal1713 loooool...that was good :))
@babixillo
@babixillo 7 ай бұрын
even with that he still had some howlers. he's got good feet better than most keepers but as gk overall not in the level of alisson ederson etc. united needs to pray he doesnt fall into mental yips because he could end up like loris karius. but hes been ok so far even with all the blunders
@moumenrezaei1330
@moumenrezaei1330 7 ай бұрын
Your channel is a criminally underrated gold mine! Love from Egypt ♥
@superbiroy
@superbiroy 7 ай бұрын
24 goals conceded in 24 matches at Seria A ? Explain that
@leedoc512
@leedoc512 7 ай бұрын
I think it's that Onana lost confidence about his defensive teammates' ability to handle the pressure, witnessing how they were not suited for the passing tactics. Now that is affecting his own confidence as well.
@potmadu4153
@potmadu4153 7 ай бұрын
He just shocked how tf maguire's doing in front of him
@drake8664
@drake8664 7 ай бұрын
​@potmadu4153 maguire ain't even been playing for majority of man utd matches. He has been on bench. Typical man utd fans excuse, when they lose, you guys either blame maguire when he is on bench or say glazers out. No one talks about the other problem that is the fans who rather than supporting their player, you guys demotivate them leading to lost in confidence
@Ken_from_Mumbai
@Ken_from_Mumbai 7 ай бұрын
As a liverpool fan, I can speak for the rest of the division when I say, united have brought the perfect goalkeeper. Exactly what the world needs during these difficult times.
@saurabhkhodake
@saurabhkhodake 7 ай бұрын
Bwaahaaaaaahahahahaa
@shengyi1701
@shengyi1701 7 ай бұрын
Banana oooh na na! Camilla Cabello would fall off her chair!
@oliverdobson3761
@oliverdobson3761 7 ай бұрын
Pillock
@poppyharlow4448
@poppyharlow4448 7 ай бұрын
​@@oliverdobson3761oof someone's a bit cross
@MS-sy8ls
@MS-sy8ls 7 ай бұрын
😂👏🏻
@michaeldr6070
@michaeldr6070 7 ай бұрын
His shot stopping was pretty damn solid when he was at Ajax. He did make a few weird mistakes every now and then though
@bexie6791
@bexie6791 7 ай бұрын
He's let in 18 goals?
@bcamplite621
@bcamplite621 7 ай бұрын
He seems overweight
@kapladuhlian99
@kapladuhlian99 7 ай бұрын
His shot stopping has never been solid, be it at Ajax or Inter
@Stuffthatsfunny1
@Stuffthatsfunny1 7 ай бұрын
​@@kapladuhlian99he's always made mistakes, the reason ddg was let go was because of mistakes yet they replace him with a worse shot stopper who makes more mistakes. May as well have put Ericson in net if they want a keeper who can pass
@chris.48
@chris.48 7 ай бұрын
@@Stuffthatsfunny1ong bro 😭
@hiitisme123
@hiitisme123 7 ай бұрын
Bought De Geas distribution without his saves.
@timmytton7043
@timmytton7043 7 ай бұрын
Ahahahaha
@M4NA5
@M4NA5 7 ай бұрын
Well put.
@joelkemp5835
@joelkemp5835 7 ай бұрын
How dare you expect him to save stuff
@NostalgiNorden
@NostalgiNorden 7 ай бұрын
Incorrect.
@mylok1370
@mylok1370 7 ай бұрын
I think it’s too early to write him off yet if you remember almost all United number 1s had a shaky start to their career at the club
@bexie6791
@bexie6791 7 ай бұрын
It's not
@Sui_Generis0
@Sui_Generis0 7 ай бұрын
De gea was 20 in his first season at United
@silvesta5027
@silvesta5027 7 ай бұрын
I think this video was pretty impartial though. It acknowledged Onana's strengths and how United's injuries have forced them to play a different style of football, thus worsening his weaknesses
@ridakesserwan8712
@ridakesserwan8712 7 ай бұрын
2:21 "he's so calm to make a pass under pressure" *gets casimero red carded*
@darrenwilson8921
@darrenwilson8921 7 ай бұрын
I see what you're saying here with rotating keepers, Onana should be the preferred keeper when we have our most press-resistant players back in the team, whilst for now where we are under constant pressure we need De Gea to be that shot stopping keeper....oh...wait...!
@RoyaleWithCheese.
@RoyaleWithCheese. 7 ай бұрын
Good thing that De Gea found a new club.....oh..wait..!
@lukew6725
@lukew6725 7 ай бұрын
​@@RoyaleWithCheese. Could you imagine Man United begging De Gea to come back to the team? That would be hilarious! 😂
@aduad
@aduad 7 ай бұрын
@@RoyaleWithCheese. tell me a big club that needed a permanent keeper.....oh wait!
@bwint7234
@bwint7234 7 ай бұрын
I mean not sure where you've been, but there was like 5 big European clubs who needed keepers over the summer. No one picked him up because he wants insane wages and he's an old school keeper. Ppl hate on Onana, but once utd actually play the system he's what allows you to reach top levels. Traditional keepers can't do that anymore.
@RoyaleWithCheese.
@RoyaleWithCheese. 7 ай бұрын
@@aduad If you knew anything about football you'd know that Real Madrid and Bayern Munich desperately needed a number 1. They saw De Gea was free but still chose Kepa and Ulreich. Says a lot. And do I need to remind you of his status in the Spanish national team as well?
@kk7324
@kk7324 7 ай бұрын
Whenever a new keeper comes into the league, they are prone to error and needs sometimes settling so strong back line is a must. I still remember allison blundering against bournemoth early in his liverpool days but eventually built up confidence and form.
@everyone1liesd459
@everyone1liesd459 7 ай бұрын
Vicario from Empoli to Tottenham isn't struggling Kepa for Madrid isn't struggling
@pandax5359
@pandax5359 7 ай бұрын
​@@everyone1liesd459please name more.
@soham844
@soham844 7 ай бұрын
@@everyone1liesd459Kepa has also made mistakes. Prime example against Napoli when he came out to punch the ball and completely missed it. Just that Madrid keep winning so he isn’t in the limelight
@henrygbatey6434
@henrygbatey6434 7 ай бұрын
​@@soham844Kepa hasn't made horrendous mistakes with the exception of Napoli ucl match away (I'd blame that on him being a little too short) he has being pretty good more than I expected. Any keeper replacing Courtois to us Madrid fans will never be as good as courtois but it seems cleansheet come easier for Kepa in Madrid than it did when Courtois was in the post
@nicksin7902
@nicksin7902 7 ай бұрын
@@everyone1liesd459 He would if he still had dier and sessegnon on the left. VDV and udogie finally gave us a good back line
@BeerChugger
@BeerChugger 7 ай бұрын
Well said. The players also play a huge part in clean sheets. Players might be terrible at receiving the ball, which makes the gk lose confidence in them
@teofitness1957
@teofitness1957 7 ай бұрын
He is a terrible shot stopper ,that’s not players’ fault.
@BeerChugger
@BeerChugger 7 ай бұрын
​@teofitness1957 Terrible is an exaggeration He is average. Some of the conceded goals have been as a result of some shoddy defending He has his share of blame as well, though
@HritikSrivastava-pd2rb
@HritikSrivastava-pd2rb 7 ай бұрын
I do not understand why people always end up being reasonable once everything is in shambles lol. People bashed De Gea and Kepa so hard when it was quite obvious it was not only them but also the defence letting them down consistently which led to a massive drop in confidence. The sympathy that Onana is getting right now could have been given to De Gea and United would have saved a lot of money.
@ssvegeto1610
@ssvegeto1610 7 ай бұрын
@@HritikSrivastava-pd2rb precisely, literally a bunch of hypocrites. when i said the same last season with DDG, i was accused of not knowing football. suddenly all these clowns come out videos defending onana? literally double standards all the same points could have been used for DDG and we'd have a 47m replacement for casemiro instead
@admassv84
@admassv84 7 ай бұрын
@@ssvegeto1610 I defended DDG last season aswell. He has been a great shot stopper for years but you have to also acknowledge that he doesn’t fit Ten Hags play style. DDG has shown that he’s not capable and confident enough to distribute the ball. If you also add in the miscommunication he had with Maguire, that led to so many avoidable mistakes. I’m definitely not blaming DDG for these mistakes, but with Onana you have a guy that plays long balls like a midfielder. Hopefully he doesn’t lose his confidence.
@julien_lemur2302
@julien_lemur2302 7 ай бұрын
We need a video about vicario, he is the best keeper in the prem statistically and the 2nd best according to my eyetest, how is he so good? Just came out of empoli for 18 million euros and he is absolutely magnificent
@adammac.1342
@adammac.1342 7 ай бұрын
Losing him has crippled Empoli though!
@Favour500
@Favour500 7 ай бұрын
He as only played 8 games. Relax
@darrenfearon4288
@darrenfearon4288 7 ай бұрын
@@Favour500 You did not even pay attention , Vicario stats were very good for Empoli for the past two seasons in a struggling Empoli side. I have been impressed with his passing skills with his feet.
@benitomukoni9609
@benitomukoni9609 7 ай бұрын
​@@Favour500 You ain't got the answers, you ain't got the answers 😂😂
@liamf-2255
@liamf-2255 7 ай бұрын
who's first?
@Abilimarvellous
@Abilimarvellous 7 ай бұрын
You just reminded me of David. We're playing like David is still in goal to make those worldie saves like he used to and then make his regular mistake. With onana we have to change our approach, especially with passing options to the keeper and onana himself needs to step outside that box more, I know he's short on confidence but he needs to attack the attackers more and own the 18 yard, he's too passive and that's why the he makes contemplations, literally 50/50 gambles, and so far he's failed at them.
@R.Mousasi
@R.Mousasi 7 ай бұрын
Until his period after doping ban his shot stopping was pretty good at Ajax. Don't know where this narrative is coming from. He was weaker at collecting crosses and high shots on his left side. Specially his reflexive safes on the goal line were top class.
@crayontom9687
@crayontom9687 7 ай бұрын
The narrative is coming from the fact that he’s thrown three goals in his own net in only 8 games
@ramanbaig1968
@ramanbaig1968 7 ай бұрын
lmao
@phightinphil25
@phightinphil25 7 ай бұрын
@@crayontom9687 The problem is that he has been about average to above average as a shot stopper most years, so it does feel a bit harsh to call him a bust before a half season has passed. He does clearly need to improve regardless.
@narsylvester
@narsylvester 7 ай бұрын
DeGea had an unsettling start in his time at Man U. But he became very reliable as the years went by. That being said, even he still made some errors, which resulted in some soft goals. Time will tell if Onana improves.
@DynamicGuy123
@DynamicGuy123 7 ай бұрын
De gea also didn’t come in at 27 lol
@AdamOBrien29
@AdamOBrien29 7 ай бұрын
De Gea always had a few clangers in him
@narsylvester
@narsylvester 7 ай бұрын
@@DynamicGuy123 I hear you on that. But of course, there's no magical age for good performances for any position on the Field. Iker Casillas became the #1 Keeper at Real Madrid, at the age of 18.
@McBigP13
@McBigP13 7 ай бұрын
Thing with your statement is it's man utd without sir alex. I believe ten hag will bring back man utd to prominence only if Glazer's are out.
@onouphrios
@onouphrios 7 ай бұрын
@@DynamicGuy123 yeah and De Gea was ushered into a very strong united team at the time
@tomekwolny5606
@tomekwolny5606 7 ай бұрын
Nice one. Really loved the explainer about Ramsdale and Raya, and rotating keepers for tactical reasons.
@Flash4ML
@Flash4ML 7 ай бұрын
That's the idea, but I'm not convinced Arteta will actually follow through and rotate them, pretty sure that was just some fluff to ease the transition to Raya. Interesting to hear what De Zerbi's up to though, I didn't know he was also on that train
@delot4324
@delot4324 7 ай бұрын
That never works out though lol
@superchacho777
@superchacho777 7 ай бұрын
Nobody rotates keepers if they actually have a great keeper
@willherondale6367
@willherondale6367 7 ай бұрын
It feels like a pretty big oversight that I can watch a video that recommends rotating Manchester United goalkeepers and come away not knowing the name of their second keeper, let alone their playstyle or strengths and weaknesses.
@thabo5799
@thabo5799 7 ай бұрын
I’m here after that penalty save to you no. He’s a good keeper, just needed confidence!
@oslonorway547
@oslonorway547 7 ай бұрын
Give them credit, they finally found someone to start taking the blame off of Maguire.
@victorokeke3395
@victorokeke3395 7 ай бұрын
Mainly because Maguire doesn't even play anymore
@NeonNoodleNexus
@NeonNoodleNexus 7 ай бұрын
All the build up play and offensive upsides are extras. The first order of business of goalkeepers is stopping goals. If you're being prone to letting in unnecessary goals, it doesn't matter even if he IS doing the offensive distribution perfectly.
@Mac10Demarco
@Mac10Demarco 7 ай бұрын
Exactly. And if the defenders are bad at receiving passes like some here are saying then it’s time to change the style of play.
@scottlinton6577
@scottlinton6577 7 ай бұрын
Awesome analysis, been waiting for this one!
@mrfoofoo69
@mrfoofoo69 7 ай бұрын
"What man united signed him for, is his build up play ". Great, except they seem to have taken for granted how good a shot stopper De Gea was. At this rate most united fans would take a bad-at-distribution de gea who can win united games with his keeping
@pyrrhusepirus7181
@pyrrhusepirus7181 7 ай бұрын
Exactly, You have to save the shots in order to distribute them. If you don't save shots as a GK then I guess you don't need to distribute.
@jgmediting7770
@jgmediting7770 7 ай бұрын
De gea wasn’t a good shot stopper. He’d made loads of errors in the past 5 years. If de gea had faced the chances the team have conceded this year, he’d have conceded loads as well.
@ronanfitzpatrick1261
@ronanfitzpatrick1261 7 ай бұрын
Loving the commitment to the video with the keeper gloves ❤
@highnoon7097
@highnoon7097 7 ай бұрын
Very good analysis and an interesting argument at the end in favour of rotating your keeper. I've always been against it but maybe selecting a short pass keeper like Steele and Ramsdale for specific opponents is the way football will go
@carlroberts9347
@carlroberts9347 7 ай бұрын
How many games has Ramsdale played since Raya joined? I wouldn't call it rotation
@DT-ip4db
@DT-ip4db 7 ай бұрын
Lol Arteta isn't rotating the GK, Raya is clearly first choice now
@matthenley3886
@matthenley3886 7 ай бұрын
Tbf he did say that Arteta has only spoken about it but he hasn’t put it into practice yet.
@Flash4ML
@Flash4ML 7 ай бұрын
Yeah I'm not sure he'll actually follow through with that one, Rammers might get a few look ins but I'm pretty sure it's Raya from here on out
@sillwuka
@sillwuka 7 ай бұрын
I think we need to allow Onana to sweep and play more aggressively. Reap the rewards from it and also accept the mistakes.
@brucemoss632
@brucemoss632 7 ай бұрын
The moment I saw those keeper's gloves I LULD out loud
@plus12gaming
@plus12gaming 7 ай бұрын
I think it was Peter Schmeichel that pointed out Onana was often jumping up before dropping down rather than lunging out towards the ball. This has resulted in a couple of errors where he let the ball go right under his hand. It seems like there is some fundamental technique that is causing his shot stopping errors.
@Antonio-hb8rd
@Antonio-hb8rd 7 ай бұрын
When Onona signed I watch a video of all the shots he faced for Inter, he's a mediocre shot stopper and he concedes weird goals. But he can pull out the odd worldie that doesn't make sense. He also seems to hesitate to go down/not go down at all, and that might be because he was an outfield player originally. Onana is a luxury keeper and one that United can't afford to have right now. Good debut from this kid, I like the fact he wears glasses they make me respect his opinion more.
@apextheracer2022
@apextheracer2022 7 ай бұрын
he did good at inter because they played a low block
@Antonio-hb8rd
@Antonio-hb8rd 7 ай бұрын
@@apextheracer2022He also played well
@sillwuka
@sillwuka 7 ай бұрын
I saw the same video and knew he wasn't a technically great keeper, very awkward. Hope he comes good and his distribution approves.
@phightinphil25
@phightinphil25 7 ай бұрын
@@sillwuka It makes you wonder why United didn't bring in a young keeper to develop and rotate him with Henderson who while not spectacular at anything is a decent shot stopper and long passer. It would have been cheaper and allowed for more time to find an ideal keeper if one exists.
@uludaggazoz10
@uludaggazoz10 7 ай бұрын
it's crazy how United manages to bring down every singe player that joins them
@NostalgiNorden
@NostalgiNorden 7 ай бұрын
it's crazy how that is a complete lie
@benitomukoni9609
@benitomukoni9609 7 ай бұрын
​@@NostalgiNorden not every but most of them , I agree with you
@-_-DatDude
@-_-DatDude 7 ай бұрын
So crazy mate. Its almost like us fans were right when have been crying out for a better structure.
@EuanM20X
@EuanM20X 7 ай бұрын
Like who?
@tamarillouk5768
@tamarillouk5768 7 ай бұрын
​​​@@EuanM20XSancho, onana, wilf zaha, Maguire, Memphis depay, Alexis Sanchez, falcao, di maria, schweinstiger, Daniel James, lindelof, pogba, Marcos rojo, victor valdes, van de beek, Antony, Morgan schneiderlin, martial
@dondamon4669
@dondamon4669 7 ай бұрын
Man i bet this kid has played loads of football! Looks like the kind of person to listen to
@Nisfornarwhal1990
@Nisfornarwhal1990 7 ай бұрын
soyboi init
@emmetwalker2995
@emmetwalker2995 7 ай бұрын
the bottom line is the only way that he has improved United is by reducing their wage bill and this has been as a trade off from awful goal keeping......If United had "fixed" their defence then their would have been no need to "fix" their goalkeeper. An awful decision made by Ten Hag. Investing United's limited resources in an area that was not the real issue.
@clevertechbot
@clevertechbot 7 ай бұрын
As a casual fan, I don't remember anything about his shot-stopping at Ajax or Inter, 2 teams that made it deep into UCL the years he was starter. Playing for either Manchester club, he's gonna have a critics on him at all times. I think once United is back healthy, he'll regain confidence in distribution and therefore shot-stopping. He did have some very nice saves in the Brentford game.
@ronanfitzpatrick1261
@ronanfitzpatrick1261 7 ай бұрын
Really enjoyed that video. Excellent
@implus32
@implus32 7 ай бұрын
If i may put it in simple terms, as we know that the primary purpose of a goalkeeper is to save shots and avoid goals, i can with confidence say that David de gea would save atleast half of the goals onana has conceded. So, long story short he's not a better keeper that de gea who united should have never let go, even with his occasional mistakes he had been saving united single handedly for a long time. As a rival fan I'll be happier with onana in goal than de gea, becaus even at his best onana is an average shot stopper (forget about his ball playing ability), but when de gea is in mood its almost impossible to put the ball past him in the goal. Thats my honest opinion.
@kbjovihch87yc8yf
@kbjovihch87yc8yf 7 ай бұрын
I wonder What if de gea goes to another pl club and makes utd regret
@marianchicago4002
@marianchicago4002 7 ай бұрын
I think Onana might just be Pepe Reina light. I think one of the biggest problems for Onana is that Manchester United biggest rivals have 2 best goalies in the league and possibly world, and both came in and bossed it from day one and looked worth every penny what the team paid for them. Chelsea tried it and got burned BIG time, and Kepa never really recovered. Onana is much more experienced and accomplished but with move and play he does being overanalyzed, there is a chance he might follow the same path.
@brettduce5243
@brettduce5243 7 ай бұрын
Actually I cannot fault those examples. Goalies should never give up their near post - it’s a cardinal sin. He protected his near side as that is the quickest and easiest route to goal in each one of those examples.
@mmw4990
@mmw4990 7 ай бұрын
The near post thing is an absolute myth. Completely archaic. If you look at clips from like the 70s the keepers stand at the near post and leave the whole rest of the goal open which looking back now is absolutely ridiculous. Other keepers are able to prevent goals going in at the near post and not concede ridiculous goals like onana by over committing. It's lazy goalkeeping, he's trying to cheat.
@ogbmt
@ogbmt 7 ай бұрын
The goalkeeper's job is to prevent as many goals as possible, not to specifically prevent near post goals because everyone would agree that those were his fault while rolling out the red carpet to his far post.
@leonmeyers7009
@leonmeyers7009 7 ай бұрын
This guy explain so well. 👏👏
@kevinrod14
@kevinrod14 7 ай бұрын
Everyone called me a hater when I said that they only bought him because he had a decent game in the Champions League final! Now look at them.
@M1d32
@M1d32 7 ай бұрын
I remember him looking kinda sus when Tottenham knocked Ajax out of the semis to reach the final that one year.
@superbiroy
@superbiroy 7 ай бұрын
Onana Conceded 24 goals in 24 matches in Seria A last season 😆
@ssvegeto1610
@ssvegeto1610 7 ай бұрын
also cause he played at Ajax before else he literally wouldn't even be in the conversation
@alexsayshi6782
@alexsayshi6782 7 ай бұрын
u are a hater and wrong, he was always a highly rated keeper
@sitstandnow
@sitstandnow 7 ай бұрын
Excellent video as per usual
@Biz999
@Biz999 7 ай бұрын
Great video, love the new guy :)
@HyperionProductions2
@HyperionProductions2 7 ай бұрын
I see what you mean by rotating keepers, but there’s no way united bought him just to be rotated. He was talked up as a “one size fits all” solution as you mentioned and compared to Alisson and Ederson.
@mindsetofpoker9463
@mindsetofpoker9463 7 ай бұрын
Really good work.
@kub2039
@kub2039 7 ай бұрын
On the RW at 5:58 is Jadon Sancho, who I can’t imagine is part of the lineup ETH would “most want to use” at this point
@jopearson6321
@jopearson6321 7 ай бұрын
I think he meant "excepting injury, form, and personal issues" I mean, this never actually happens in work or football ot life, but I think that's what he was getting at.
@Charlie_Alpha_Lima
@Charlie_Alpha_Lima 7 ай бұрын
Did you do a similar video on De Gea's first few months at United?
@torobay
@torobay 7 ай бұрын
De Gea was 21 when he came. He was only promising young prospect. Nobody was sure would he fit in. But the way Onana was hailed by all ManU fans and how De Gea was sent away one would expect miracle around the keeper's box.
@21McMurphy
@21McMurphy 7 ай бұрын
Nobody is gonna question if it ‘is ‘ the wrong video guy, cos some of us can remember the JJB video where he waxes lyrical about the transformative effect that Onana would have on the team. It was all; “oooh Onana is gonna be able to push up between the centre backs and act like an extra CB and ‘oooh Onana is gonna be able to find a player anywhere on the pitch cos he’s basically Pirlo and Neuer in one !’ Funny, how I can’t find that video now 🤔
@rdxsy
@rdxsy 7 ай бұрын
His shot stopping has looked sub-par so far but there is only so much a keeper can do in build-up considering Varane and Casemiro are terrible at playing out from the back. They constantly move the ball around in the back third, don't get into better positions to receive the ball and give it away cheaply. All this invites pressure on the defence. Lisandro Martinez is United's only good ball-playing defender and has been injured this season.
@Zahrul3
@Zahrul3 7 ай бұрын
And now they're pairing Casemiro with Amrabat whose even worse at playing out from the back
@vinceely2906
@vinceely2906 7 ай бұрын
He’s always struck me as a ‘look at me I’m goalkeeping’ keepers. Chucking himself around whether it was needed or not.
@cuprashoe
@cuprashoe 7 ай бұрын
Dont get me wrong the midfield and defence have not helped him however he's made some horrendous decisions and his shot stopping has been pitiful too
@pokefanboi6005
@pokefanboi6005 7 ай бұрын
Man how much football has changed. From brutal shot stopper keepers to ball playing sweeper keepers
@keepyourcalm2494
@keepyourcalm2494 7 ай бұрын
At Ajax he often made weird and risky choices. Not just with his passing but also with his shot stopping. With United however those moments happen more frequently because those dangerous moments are forced more by the opponents. The Ajax he played for was a lot more dominant than the current United. I think Onana would perform on his Ajax level if he for example played for City. But he still wouldn't be as good as Ederson or Alisson. He'd still have that risky factor in his game.
@Clemzysmith
@Clemzysmith 7 ай бұрын
weird to say Onana wasnt a good shot stopper since he had a PSXGP of 7+ in the champions league last season which is mind boggling and he had solid numbers for ajax. also weird to talk about his passing and then use the season at inter where he used that attribute the least in his career
@TheReddances
@TheReddances 7 ай бұрын
I enjoyed this analysis. The initial patterns in 23-24 - playing out - were SO clear and such a drastic change for the squad from work with DDG, it seemed at once a big improvement but led to a worry (for me) of far too much overreliance on the new slow and intricate methods. Then BAM!, injuries to the back line & a growing lack of confidence as the masses want to jump on the new guy's back. The sub keeper is also great at the new playing out methods, but like Onana might not approach DDG as a shot-stopper. I think the best idea is to press on and SUPER DRILL that defence to adapt. When I see City's ultra-disciplined players in comparison, it almost makes one weep: tirelessly creating space to receive passes
@brucelee7782
@brucelee7782 7 ай бұрын
I only want to say one thing, bring back the aftermatches tifo podcast pleaseeeeeeeeeeee
@user-iw4cy9vz7p
@user-iw4cy9vz7p 7 ай бұрын
i liked the video since the beginning and i subscribed❤
@zolee0829
@zolee0829 7 ай бұрын
Nice analysis
@bigrandomun9267
@bigrandomun9267 7 ай бұрын
It could just be Onana getting used to Prem football the same way most new players do except as a keeper, you don’t get any leniency for not being ready and you get killed whereas when you’re a striker, people can often say soon you’ll be putting the ball into the net. The issue is with the build up because Ten Hag has Onana playing the wrong style of build-up. I have no idea why Ten Hag doesn’t let Onana just send the ball to the attack or midfielders and why he makes him just pass it out because he didn’t buy him to just pass it or throw it 5 yards. It’s a mixture of not being ready yet and not being able to play the football he wants to play. A mix that can make a nightmare for Onana.
@supermanprime6758
@supermanprime6758 7 ай бұрын
He’s an indoor keep who likes to bring the ball up. He also has weird form when he dives.
@apextheracer2022
@apextheracer2022 7 ай бұрын
yeah he hops when he dives it's so funny
@KT-ki6gz
@KT-ki6gz 7 ай бұрын
He was solid in preseason coming out far to sweep and pass
@apextheracer2022
@apextheracer2022 7 ай бұрын
it's because licha and varane have been injured, their best cb's
@RedScareClair
@RedScareClair 7 ай бұрын
You said exactly what me and a few others have been saying in comment sections that other fans are finally waking up to. Goal keeper was never the priority this season. We still have way too many problems with the outfield to accommodate a keeper like Onana. I think if we ever get fit we'll see improvement that's looking like a big if. Now we have to not shatter his confidence while we hold the rest of the team together with duct tape
@amirdiabe
@amirdiabe 7 ай бұрын
I was screaming from the same hymn sheet, this season we did not need to go out and get a keeper, the team has not yet evolved into Erik Ten Hags style of play. We should have persevered with De Gea for one more season, focused funds on the outfield players, then went and got Onana next season when we had evolved into a solid team both out of and in possession.
@phightinphil25
@phightinphil25 7 ай бұрын
@@amirdiabe So overpay De Gea for five seasons when you only need one season, sounds smart. I think if it was an in house option it should have been Henderson who screamed low risk high reward 1 year stopgap on reasonable wages. I don't disagree that midfielders and the defense should have gotten more investment, alongside paying for Hojlund and maybe a backup or rotation option for him.
@amirdiabe
@amirdiabe 7 ай бұрын
@@phightinphil25 De Geas contract was done, we could off offered him a 1 year contract on half his wages. Dropped from 250k to 125k. And we would of probably went and got Onana for much cheaper. Alternatively we could of also given Matej Kovar a chance before letting him go. He played well for reserves last season, and done well in pre season. The funds spent on Onana could of made a bigger difference in our outfield squad
@phightinphil25
@phightinphil25 7 ай бұрын
@@amirdiabe De Gea didn't want 180k per week so he was never going to take 125k. Why do you think he hasn't signed for anybody else yet ? Kovar wasn't ready to start yet but him and Henderson would have cost nothing and been adequate for a year or two.
@jgmediting7770
@jgmediting7770 7 ай бұрын
@@amirdiabe yeah, de gea wouldn’t do that. Ffs.
@sumandark8600
@sumandark8600 7 ай бұрын
Sanity check on your goalkeeper PSxG model: This data says the keepers in this sample have on average conceded 11% fewer goals than expected. That's a huge deviation from the 0 to the slightly above 0 (only counts keepers with 500+ mins so you'd expect a slight skew away from 0) you'd expect, and the total sample size is large enough to expect small errors if the model is good (187 total PSxG). From this I conclude that this model likely isn't good enough to be used for any good level of analysis.
@nopoint2427
@nopoint2427 7 ай бұрын
If I had to guess the intensity of pressing is higher in the Prem + low confidence leading to trying to play safer causing further errors. Raya was available for 40m even with United tax.
@-_-DatDude
@-_-DatDude 7 ай бұрын
He'd of cost us a lot more than £40m we don't get charged the same rate as other clubs
@Mopark25
@Mopark25 7 ай бұрын
He played around City's press in the final, it's not a problem.
@aliaskaradylov6637
@aliaskaradylov6637 7 ай бұрын
If United bought Raya and he would face similar problems and make similar mistakes, I bet you would be the first one to whine about not buying Andre Onana.
@nopoint2427
@nopoint2427 7 ай бұрын
@@aliaskaradylov6637 I'm a Liverpool fan lmao it's hilarious to me
@lmcshera
@lmcshera 7 ай бұрын
@@nopoint2427Evans/Maguire as a 2023 centre back pairing blows my tiny mind
@siddiquemalik
@siddiquemalik 7 ай бұрын
So it's best to play Onana and Heaton so you get best of both keepers👍
@guyseabrook
@guyseabrook 7 ай бұрын
Doing the whole video in goalie gloves in absolutely top notch😂
@Christian_Bagger
@Christian_Bagger 7 ай бұрын
As I said when he was first rumored to United… keepers like Alison, Neuer and Ederson are freak examples. I don’t buy into the whole sweeper, ballplaying goalkeeper. Sure, to squeeze a bit of extra juice and you’ve two equally skilled goalkeeper and one can sweep and the other cannot, take the sweeper… but in the end of the day, the fundament and the top of the hierarchy for any goalkeeper should be your ability to shotstop. Sure, you an screen and mitigate chance and perhaps even create, but how many of those ball playing moves are going to be converted to goals? You’re mitigating 3 chance, but once a ball hit a target, you don’t have the ability to stop the shot. Ultimately your objective is to prevent the ball going in. No goalkeeper has the talent to be on the pitch on a professional other than GK. Likewise no other players can play goalkeeper at a professional level. You can have a GK being good at mitigating but the shoots will come eventually at the rate in which you mitigate won’t line up in that equation in the end. Sweeping and ballplaying keepers is a nice little addition, can be potent but it cannot be on the expense of traditional GK quality. I never fancied Onana as a goalkeeper on the biggest level. The first two games for United, he was the best player on the pitch, and I hope he were proven me wrong and I was optimistic. He’s now one of the worst goalkeepers, but it’s important to consider that changing a goalkeeper is a fundamental groundbreaking switch you can do to a lineup. It takes longer than any other positions to get right. Many starts shaky. I think it’s horrible at the moment, and even though I don’t fancy him as a GK, I still believe this is way under his level and he needs more time to settle in, hopefully he’ll get into it… but this was too soon to let go of De Gea. One more year… and I don’t for the life of me get, why United didn’t go for Donnarumma when he was a free agent.
@johnsonbat77
@johnsonbat77 7 ай бұрын
Leave Onana alone. He’s doing a fabulous job for 19 teams in the league.
@Starfield123
@Starfield123 7 ай бұрын
Also sounds like a strategy to use in fifa ultimate team. 9.5/10
@aksyn47
@aksyn47 7 ай бұрын
💯 on his statement on Onana. The mistake the club make, We signed the right keeper for the style off play at the wrong time to an unstable team that is tactically evolving.
@SamBerbatov2010
@SamBerbatov2010 7 ай бұрын
The fact you put Sancho and Amrabat ahead of Antony and Casemiro who are ETH’s first choice players shows you have no idea what you’re talking about…
@sauceman5971
@sauceman5971 7 ай бұрын
You were the hipsters telling United to sign him😂
@subratomaity997
@subratomaity997 7 ай бұрын
The goalkeeping coaching standards is really good in united if not the other coaching standards, we shld see him improve alot slowly, he just needs time
@sichuancowboy
@sichuancowboy 7 ай бұрын
Can't say I didn't see this coming from the very beginning hahaha - glad I'm right.
@joseluisdiaz233
@joseluisdiaz233 7 ай бұрын
I love the detail of wearing the gloves
@scientiaestpotentia2007
@scientiaestpotentia2007 7 ай бұрын
6:59 at first I thought Man City weren’t in that graph and then looked at bottom right 😅
@19920624rac
@19920624rac 7 ай бұрын
Very interesting video
@Jonifico
@Jonifico 7 ай бұрын
Do one on David Raya, the midfielder
@johnmichaelson9173
@johnmichaelson9173 7 ай бұрын
I'm thinking Utd didn't really need a new keeper, there are other area's in that team that needed to be addressed before changing the goalkeeper.
@automatedcryptoapp4573
@automatedcryptoapp4573 7 ай бұрын
Nice touch with the glove.
@Vino359
@Vino359 7 ай бұрын
Wow 👏 Sanchez is on ever tier of performance indicators you're highlighting, Chelsea fans we got us a gem here💙
@michaboczar9097
@michaboczar9097 7 ай бұрын
3 months ago United needed him, now Onana is wrong GK, how come :) ?
@rorysparshott4223
@rorysparshott4223 7 ай бұрын
It's so good to see Tifo engaging in bring your children to work day 😊
@maxbarden9196
@maxbarden9196 7 ай бұрын
I like this new guy preseting.
@fault.
@fault. 7 ай бұрын
This guy would make a good manager
@LordWay
@LordWay 7 ай бұрын
I am not worried too much De Gea when he first joined had a first shaky season and then became our player of the year down the line as we got worse
@bigrandomun9267
@bigrandomun9267 7 ай бұрын
It’s not an Onana problem, it’s a Ten Hag problem. You can’t ask a guy to stop playing his way and instead to completely limit his skill set to pass to the CB’s and staying in his box. He can be United’s Manuel Neuer but Ten Hag has to trust him and I don’t think Ten Hag is the manager that trusts anybody and instead, like Guardiola, is a meticulous man-manager where either you play the way the manager says or you get dropped and sold.
@thurthrice
@thurthrice 7 ай бұрын
They went from the best shot stopper in the world in de Gea to the 9th best in Serie A last year.
@Tsun_Derek
@Tsun_Derek 7 ай бұрын
De Gea hasn't been the best in years. If you watched him every week you saw he was making similar errors to Onana now, but last season we had Martinez and Varane available together and they contributed to the Golden Glove win more than De Gea's saves.
@siralexferguson4640
@siralexferguson4640 7 ай бұрын
DDG best shot stopper in the world ? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@RandyMarshSP
@RandyMarshSP 7 ай бұрын
I think it shows just how good De Gea was, hed the same backline if not worse for a decade. Onana will come good, being a United player involves a significant weight of expectation hes not used to.
@ketanmohide306
@ketanmohide306 7 ай бұрын
This is like if you don't make a mistake in areas you're strong in then you shouldn't be blamed. With this logic I don't see why people slam TAA almost every week for failing to defend certain situations. If you're a gk, you know what is your primary duty.
@TheMixCurator
@TheMixCurator 7 ай бұрын
His first 10 games are almost identical to De Gea's first 10 at Man Utd (goals conceded and the like).
@RexChevalchroi
@RexChevalchroi 7 ай бұрын
There you go, the difference between good and great managers, when things are not ideal can you still manage?
@markpaul7623
@markpaul7623 7 ай бұрын
Brilliant young analyst
@martinalvarez4868
@martinalvarez4868 7 ай бұрын
I dont understand why you wouldn’t rotate GK accordingly, it’s just dumb to not asses the other team and choose a shot stoping gk or a progressive passing gk if the team ur facing is not attacking forward or whatever. I’m not versed here but it’s been annoying me that noone does this. You rotate every other player when they are not working, rotate ur GK as well if it’s not
@JuanDoubleA
@JuanDoubleA 7 ай бұрын
But if he rotates the keeper, he will be facing the wrong way when they shoot at him????!
@thebeanstalker631
@thebeanstalker631 7 ай бұрын
2:09 This here is exactly the problem. Why would I sign a goalie because of what he can do with his feet.
@fermillo65
@fermillo65 7 ай бұрын
Yeah... I'm not football saavy but choosing a GK because he's better with his feet makes no sense. What is the main job of a GK? Stopping goals or building attacks? When push comes to shove its his hands that will save the day, not his play ability
@robwatson826
@robwatson826 7 ай бұрын
Love the keeper gloves 🤣
@itskurt
@itskurt 7 ай бұрын
I think ETH needs to start to rotate Onana to protect him. The team is clearly experiencing turmoil. Goalkeepers need to keep their form and their confidence, he has lost both. He needs to be protected or it can get worse, which would be a nightmare for him and Man United. You signed Altay this summer as well, he is also a goalkeeper ETH wanted since his time at Ajax. Rotate them.
@curtisbullock9739
@curtisbullock9739 7 ай бұрын
THE GLOVESSSSS 😂😂😂😂😂 LOVE IT!
@1Darirl
@1Darirl 7 ай бұрын
Love the gloves!
@videocompletesofianesofian8996
@videocompletesofianesofian8996 7 ай бұрын
Can you please do a video about Vicario?
@bcamplite621
@bcamplite621 7 ай бұрын
The real question is: has Manchester United done ANYTHING right in the transfer market since 2013? Honestly at this point it's looking like an actual curse. Randomly buying players or going by Football Manager wonderkids would have probably had far better success rate than United have had in the last decade.
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