HBomberGuy's Plagiarism Video | Red Cow Arcade Clip

[@OSW]

What struck me about the AVGN section was how he's like "yeah Cinemassacre's a content mill. Outsourced the creative side to less talented people" - he wasn't angry or upset, just…'yeah, that's how it is'. Dang. I hope these controversies shakes James into raising the bar 💚

[@hamurabi1066]

osw watches redcow?

[@OSW]

@@hamurabi1066 Frankie is my spirit animal

[@brianm2881]

It isn't fair to say that Cinemassacre is a content mill right now, but there was a point where Screenwave had the channel putting out a lot of irrelevant stuff, which has now completely stopped, and the only videos it does are AVGN, Neighbour Nerds and the occasional film review. People had been asking for the content to be pared down only to things James was directly involved in, so they got what they wanted? As for the plagarism section, it was probably the least serious because it was perpetrated by someone they hired, and they removed it once it was brought to their attention. I think that's forgivable.

[@sissel02]

hbomber only gets upset at people with the wrong ideology

[@MrSkeltal268]

Honestly it didn’t shock me, because what else can you say about cinemassacre’s plagiarism - it wasn’t done in the same vein as illuminaughti or James Somerton, where those two did it to support their unsustainable growth, to perpetuate a false persona. James just got caught up in a third party resorting the plagiarism to sustain a schedule they weren’t professional or talented enough to do. I mean there’s no real outrage for AVGN over it anymore, it was a dumb move by all involved at the time but no indicative of a pattern of trying to royally screw over the fanbase, you know?

[@RHetrick1987]

The Illuminaughtii fall from millions of views for her videos to around 20k has been one of my favorite things of 2023.

[@MrSkeltal268]

It’s funny to see how many people were already starting to drop the channel prior to the legal eagle debacle. I was one such casual listener. When the videos started resorting to anecdotal or third hand unsubstantiated rumors. A huge red flag was too frequent of an upload schedule. That was what turned me off a few years ago.

[@TheLakabanzaichrg]

Why?

[@KingEurope1]

Genuinely shocked she ever had millions of views to begin with. Even if her audience didn’t know she was just reading Wikipedia, her delivery is so stunted that it’s unlistenable even if the articles she was freebooting were decent.

[@TheSuckoShow]

It's funny how non-creative people can't even relate to the idea that some of us WANT to do our own writing. We WANT to edit our own videos. They think AI doing a shitty job is preferable to doing it well yourself.

[@kyleshockley1573]

It's basically Tai Lopez wondering why anyone would want to work within their own wheelhouse. Guys like that probably can't imagine anyone being capable of anything other than showing off their garage and (rented) Lambo. Talent, ability, passion (outside of their own narrow lane, whether tech or economics), it's all a black box to them. Give the levers of power to the unempathetic and short sighted and see what happens.

[@simonmacconmidhe9489]

'Putting out content would be so much easier if I didn't have to write all this myself. If only there was some way to automate this process. Also, can I have some more money, I'm struggling to monetise my content this year/decade, and my daughter is in the psych ward again. Also, I don't know who leaked those letters between me and Nora, but thanks for sticking by me while all my supposed friends tried to cancel me - whats the big deal about farts anyway?' - James Joyce to Sylvia Beach whilst writing Ulysses

[@JohnnyJackman]

I'm going to buy a hoodie and plagiarize Frankie. Because I'm a big Frankie fan, btw.

[@mixedmattaphors]

In the words of Jay-Z, "Just biggin' up my brother."

[@tommyjones1357]

I comment not because i want them to read my comments but because I’d like the KZbin Al Gore Rhythm to take care of these guys. Big EJ fan btw!

[@mixedmattaphors]

@@tommyjones1357 An Inconvenient Boost (in KZbin Results).

[@SuggestiveGaming]

As someone whose work has been plagiarized by channels much larger than mine, I think the problem is a lot worse than people not knowing how to start writing their own scripts. KZbin is a business, and people would much rather put in the least amount of work for the most amount of profit. If they see a video that’s already making money, they just figure they can remake it. It’s that shameless.

[@kristoffer8609]

What of yours has been plagiarized exactly?

[@TheSuckoShow]

4:38 Well I'm from Utica and I've never heard his accent.

[@TheBtstephens]

It’s definitely an Albany accent

[@goregrindisthebestgenre]

I completely agree with James Rolfe’s video about word pronunciation; As long as you understand what someone’s saying, who gives a shit?

[@Vherstinae]

Because no man is an island, and pronunciation and vocabulary don't exist in a vacuum. Over time, as we accept less and less precision and allow words to become more generalized, it becomes more difficult to understand what people are saying or what they mean.

[@goregrindisthebestgenre]

Naw, that’s dumb. I’ve never met someone whose native language was English and couldn’t understand them. If someone says “I ‘burried’ a time capsule” instead of buried and you don’t know what they’re saying, you’re a genuine moron. Ask-axe, reeview-review, cauliflower-cauleeflower, it’s all fine.

[@TheRonnieaj]

Honestly, if I heard the way James said review, I’d think he was re-viewing something.

[@goregrindisthebestgenre]

@@TheRonnieajBeen watching him for 15 years and never had that issue personally. I don’t think I’ve ever heard someone say they’ve “re viewed” something instead of saying revisited or re-watched.

[@jacquestube]

That's not equate KZbin plagiarism with violent child murdering house burglars. Please and thank you

[@thefdvproduction]

We can’t just gloss over “To Catch A Plagiarist” even in casual conversation, Frankie’s comedy is on point

[@internallyinteral]

@5:21 the thing about smart criminals, we don't know a ton because they don't get caught and prosecuted.

[@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917]

"The point of a scam is that you don't know your being scammed. They aren't going around door-to-door asking people if they would like to be scammed, and they aren't going to tell you the complete truth if you accused them of scamming."

[@ShinSeikiEvan]

The smart ones are the white-collar criminals. The blue-collar criminals tend to be dumb, unless they're the boss of a crime ring.

[@JamesJohnson-tr1gu]

I think the better question to ask about Home Alone, is why is Kevin's family such assholes to him, and why are his parents allowing them to be assholes to a little kid? 😅

[@wraith313]

So people CAN write, they just think they have to do it correctly the first time. The "rough draft" system has left their minds. So they sit there trying to perfect it instead of just word dumping and fixing it later.

[@chuckobscure5622]

Turns out Sniperwolf plagiarized her entire online persona 😂

[@DeformedConscience]

Frankie = *"I have no time to watch anything longer than 90 minutes"* _Also Frankie =_ "Have you seen the latest 4 Hour H-Bomber-Guy video???????"

[@RedCowArcade]

Oh no, not one of these “this” and “also this” posts 🤣 Yeah look, first of all, I watched the first two hours and not the second two hours. Also, just about everything we watch is discussed on the pod, and I think you find we watch and review a fair amount! And obviously the 90 minute thing was facetious.

[@DeformedConscience]

​​​​@@RedCowArcadeIt's all good! Maybe you also should also not be so quick to defend yourself. And understand when someone is making a facetious remark to begin with... Sarcasm is Sarcasm. I am a fan after all, a subscriber, and someone who has watched the entirety of your video catalogue. More than can be said of most. Sorry, I will promptly get back to the back pats, editing praise, and excessive ego stroking that more falls into line with your normal channel followers' protocol. I forgot. This _is_ the KZbin comment section after all! 🙂

[@RedCowArcade]

Haha. I’m just trying to square the logic!

[@jacquestube]

Yeah it's like would I rather watch a good movie or would I rather watch a shitbag KZbin or like H bomber guy. I guess it's the difference between would I wait 30 minutes for a seat at a nice restaurant or drive an hour and a half for White Castle

[@-Evil-Genius-]

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 🕵️ *Introduction to H Bomber Guy's Plagiarism Video* - H Bomber Guy's video on plagiarism has gained significant attention. - Overview of the video's impact on the internet and discussions. 00:14 🎬 *Overview of H Bomber Guy's Video* - The video titled "Plagiarism and KZbin" by H Bomber Guy is a 4-hour epic. - H Bomber Guy addresses instances of plagiarism on KZbin, focusing on four or five major examples. - The discussion leads to The Angry Video Game Nerd and the discovery of plagiarism. 01:10 📖 *Analyzing the First Two Hours of the Video* - Initial hours cover the first four people involved in plagiarism, with shorter snippets for each. - Mention of James (The Angry Video Game Nerd) having a relatively short segment in the video. - Discussion about initial reactions and perceptions of the video. 01:40 🎙️ *Appreciation for Examples of Plagiarism* - Delight in listening to examples of plagiarism from various KZbinrs. - Reference to Phil M from IGN and the discovery of plagiarism in his original KZbin channel. - Recognition of the dissection of plagiarism in the video. 03:16 🤔 *Addressing the Central Question: Why Plagiarize?* - Exploration of the central question: Why do individuals resort to plagiarism? - Insight into the prevalence of struggles with writing and the challenges associated with expressing original thoughts. - Recognition of the broader issue of widespread difficulty with writing. 04:29 🧠 *Internalizing Accents and Communication Styles* - Discussion on how individuals may unconsciously adopt accents and communication styles. - Reference to accents in the Northeast, specifically Upstate New York. - Reflection on linguistic influences and the way people express themselves. 05:24 🕵️ *Comparing Criminal Behavior and Plagiarism* - Analogy drawing parallels between criminal behavior and plagiarism. - Exploration of the psychology behind criminal actions and potential motivations. - Reflection on the consequences and defenses when caught in unethical practices. 06:33 📜 *Phillip's Defense and the Irony* - Discussion about Phillip's defense against plagiarism accusations. - Irony highlighted in Phillip's insistence on innocence and the subsequent discovery of multiple instances of plagiarism. - Reflection on the challenges of denying plagiarism when evidence is overwhelming. 07:57 📝 *The Difficulty of Writing and Disciplined Practice* - Acknowledgment of the difficulty in verbalizing and writing one's thoughts. - Emphasis on the importance of disciplined practice for improving writing skills. - Reflection on the challenges creators face in expressing original ideas. 11:10 🌐 *Exposing Plagiarism in Larger KZbinrs* - Exploration of instances where larger KZbinrs copy content from smaller creators. - Discussion on the challenges of detecting plagiarism and the need for a hypothesis to initiate an investigation. - Recognition of the impact of H Bomber Guy's video in bringing attention to plagiarism. 13:41 🤖 *AI and the Future of Content Creation* - Speculation on the role of AI in content creation and video editing. - Caution about the limitations of AI in achieving sophisticated video editing. - Reflection on the potential for AI-generated music and the blurred lines between human and AI creativity. 17:52 🎤 *Discussion on AI-Created Content* - Contemplation on the future acceptance of AI-created music and content by the audience. - Acknowledgment of the potential challenges in distinguishing between AI and human creativity. - Reflection on the evolving definition of art and its connection to human expression. 20:38 🌎 *Closing Remarks and References to "Planet of the Apes"* - Concluding thoughts referencing the closing scene of "Planet of the Apes." - Expression of concerns about the future impact of AI on creativity and artistic expression. - Recognition of the unpredictability of future perspectives on AI-generated content. Made with HARPA AI

[@deludedreality89]

This is such an amazing piece of art.

[@colt5189]

There are lots of channels that read off of Wikipedia every video. There's been times I was listening to the video and reading Wikipedia and then I so happen to start reading words at the same time I'm hearing the same words from the host in the KZbin video.

[@zachary_attackery]

I can barely find anyone that DOESN'T do this anymore. I just clicked on a video about the Nickelodeon Studios at Universal, thinking it would be footage of someone sneaking in or something cool, and its just a bunch of pictures pulled from Google Images with a guy reading from Wikipedia. At least that Boogie documentary was a legitimate documentary with newly filmrd footage and actually produced like a real show

[@gamesthatiplay9083]

Speaking of Wikipedia, I looked up the HHbomber KZbinr on Wikipedia, and they say his videos are used to de-radicalize people.

[@zachary_attackery]

@@gamesthatiplay9083 That's weird, I just skimmed through his channel and he seems to be one of those far left lunatics who tries to give off this false persona of "I call out hypocrisy on BOTH sides!"

[@gamesthatiplay9083]

@@zachary_attackery Left. That's like political right? I found it strange that the 4 hour video pointed out Milania Trump plagiarizing a speech from Michelle Obama. Seemed out of place when talking about KZbin plagiarism to bring up non KZbin plagiarism.

[@Specter227]

I wonder if this is the biggest non-Ghostbusters pushback James has ever gotten (although I'd be really surprised if he is aware of hbomberguy's video). Usually, any sort of criticism towards Cinemasscre is swept under the rug by downvoting the comment/video and calling people dumb hatters.

[@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917]

Is there that much pushback towards James because of the video? I thought the general consensus was that he was bringing up 'old' things that most people were already aware of. The Ghostbusters 'non-review' video always seemed disingenuous to me. He wasn't just saying he wasn't going to see the movie, he was saying he wasn't going to see it because he thought it looked bad and he thought he would hate it. That's not being neutral, like everyone says, that's him pre-emptively writing the film off as a piece of garbage, and he encouraged others to do the same. The video was basically advocating for a boycott of the movie, while presenting itself as "I'm just being a normal rational guy here being bullied because I won't take a side on this debate. Also, don't see the movie because it's going to be trash."

[@backlogbuddies]

Well a lot of people don't care because Newt, the guy who did it, was fired. Most don't care that AVGN isn't writing his own stuff anymore because that's the norm on KZbin. Look at The completionist. He openly says he has people who write his scripts. JonTron also has a team of writers. It's pretty much accepted that most KZbinrs have script writers

[@kennethd4958]

Not really much push back. It’s been a widely known thing since it happened and if anything it’s just reaffirming that James didn’t have anything to do with it. Though in that same breath it just reaffirms that James doesn’t write all his own reviews anymore (he has always had people help him write other material like Mike did many of the Nerd scripts) which is also sad in its own right.

[@OnlineVideoSurfer]

@@kennethd4958 Yep. I also think one of the larger points (not even just with James) is how plagiarism rots the channel too. In AVGN's case, even if James had nothing to do with the plagiarism debacle, the laziness of the plagiarism and the fact that James wasn't even writing his own content meant that his videos were losing the very appeal that attracted people to his channel to begin with. Obviously AVGN's case is nowhere near as bad as someone like Illuminaughtii where questionable plagiarized facts were thrown into her video sludge, nor is it as consequential as big creators stealing from small ones and burying them in the process. But you're still left wondering, why even watch this?

[@VultureLivesAgain]

​@@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917There's nothing wrong with watching a trailer, thinking it looks bad, and deciding that you're not gonna waste your time and money on seeing the movie. People do it all the time. But James was made out to be "anti-woman" for doing so, and it was ridiculous. He wasn't making a political statement with his video. He seems to be one of those guys who puts Ghostbusters on a pedestal. And he felt that Ghostbusters 2016, which had an AWFUL trailer, was going to be a disgrace to the original. So he was passing on it. It's not that difficult to understand. I often pass on sequels/remakes for a similar reason - I'm not interested in corporate cash-in garbage.

[@maggotsitnspin]

4:41 Well I’m from Utica and I’ve never heard anyone use the phrase “ree-view”

[@gamesthatiplay9083]

With AI, I find it imagining answers to concrete questions more times than not. Things with definitive answers like "what episode of Unsolved Mysteries was the Brandon Lee death on?" It won't just give me the wrong episode, but it will invent a recap that didn't happen.

[@danielh.541]

Probably the only good thing I learned from college is citing your sources and using a plagiarism checker to better your paper.

[@Cogglesz]

15:28 I never knew I'd want my own Robo-Frankie till now. It's actually a great metaphor to go along with describing issues with the AI craze right now. For a clip channel, y'all put so much effort into telling the story and keeping us entertained compared to the vast sea of clip channels out there. Ton of them just have random gameplay footage footage if its a podcast clip video now a days! Thanks for the laughs and happy holidays to everyone!

[@TheUballe]

These guys are passionate professionals -- I don't think they have it in them to publish unpolished crap that below their own personal standards.

[@syxx573]

I haven't watched any conemassacre videos for 2 years, and I would consider myself a diehard

[@gamesthatiplay9083]

Haven't watched since they went to James & Mike plays. Really demystified James for me. That and I didn't much care for Mike. Turns out Mike is the AVGN.

[@YuzoKoshiroSan]

I was pleasantly surprised when James/Cinemassace became a subject of his newest video and I knew you guys would talk about it. More of a negative surprise was the section about Internet Historian.

[@backlogbuddies]

Screenwave fired newt vs IH deleting comments about the palagarism, to this day. He has the word plagiarism auto filtered by KZbin and references to Tommy Tallarico and hbomberguy. Of course people are going to be more upset at IH

[@kristoffer8609]

Internet Historian took some content from an article in one video, it hardly matters. HBomberguy included him more because they are political opposed. Quite petty, really.

[@backlogbuddies]

@@kristoffer8609 Internet historian took the entire article.

[@kristoffer8609]

@@backlogbuddies Nobody cares, sorry.

[@backlogbuddies]

@@kristoffer8609 Went from lying to coping, and you care enough to defend your internet daddy in random comment sections.

[@Gary_Hun]

When you lose the spark that made you do something, and you don't care anymore... or never had or cared to begin with... plus you are probably in some sort of financial or time commitment prison... you plagiarize.

[@TheBtstephens]

10:12 If only Hank started to suspect Bimmy sooner….

[@SuperAnthony3]

I think a painting by itself is not "art" it's aesthetics, and certainly isn't "high art". So AI, right now, seems to me to be dabbling in aesthetics, it can make things look nice, make a pretty painting and it has its uses. Art expresses an idea. Certainly, you can take an AI image and use it to create art, such that if I ask an AI to give me a texture map for a game, it can work to help me create art.

[@TheSuckoShow]

I honestly can't relate to inability to write. It's always come easy to me, so I have the same bewilderment, wondering why they cheat at the easiest part of the job.

[@deludedreality89]

More egregious than Bim Bam's plagiarism is the horrendous sonic assault on everyone's ears that is Filled Diaper. If it's a choice between that and AI generated mediocre 'music', then the AI wins. Although, with the AI there won't be any duck walking to mock, so I'm kinda torn.

[@gametime2473]

How is illuminaughtii's channel still up? It is insane to me that "creators" can just read someone else's script and profit from it and youtube is AOK with it. The creators of these works need to sue her.

[@inline885]

I think kids today are more socially isolated than ever, so they more than ever crave the bonding experience that previous generations had whenever we’d go to a friends house and hang out while they play a single player game or watch a movie together.

[@CrAzYpotpie]

Ree-view for life

[@gamesthatiplay9083]

Ra-view for me!

[@GTV-Japan]

AI music… well lots of people already listen to songs that were written by some producer, session men play the tracks and some pretty face who created nothing will “sing” it then Studio Magic cleans it up. After that it’s performed via lip sync on Morning Mimosa type shows until the next vapid piece of nothing is produced. It’s been here for 50 years already!

[@joshtoten]

If anyone is first to do it entirely with AI, it'll be the kpop industry. They already have groups that are digital avatars and mass produced beats from anonymous producers. Making the idols entirely AI is just the next logical step lmao

[@GTV-Japan]

@@joshtotenI just mean that pop music has been brainless and artificial since time immemorial

[@joshtoten]

@@GTV-Japan Oh yeah, I totally agree. I just went off on a tangent because I used to be super into that stuff lol.

[@crptpyr]

​@@joshtoten Idk, I feel like a lot of the songwriting in that genre has a lot more thought put into how things are arranged than a lot of American pop because of how competitive the industry is, plus in idol music in general the human element where the idols are people you can meet and interact with is such a huge part of it. You can't have fansigns and fanmeets with an entirely ai group, it's probably why of the digital avatar groups, the ones which do more natural variety content with just people doing shit but behind an avatar are able to develop stronger fan bases than the virtual groups who don't put as much of the people behind the avatars into their content Like they're happy to play around with ai as a "concept" but removing the originality from the production side or the humanity from the idols doesn't really work that well

[@ChaunceyGardener]

A bunch of them are plain narcissists. First they want the respect and admiration that comes from being a expert or authority on a subject. They also steal from smaller creators because they perceive information having more value and reach when coming from themselves so in their minds the act becomes justifiable. HBomberGuy is also manipulative in a good sense. By design he clumped those plagiarists together so instead of people discussing the "Somerton Scandal" all the media focus is on HBomberGuy himself. Bimmy is just an extra in his video.

[@CharzaKitsune]

Here’s the thing about Internet Historian He did this same thing with 4chan Greentext before. He didn’t claim it was his own work, he was visualizing an article. Plus, HBomberGuy’s reaction when people started not only defending NetHistorian but also pointing out the sheer hypocrisy of who he chose to cover and who he left out led to him outright admitting he went after Historian for “2016-era comedy” …from a video made in 2016.

[@CharzaKitsune]

You left out the fact that in said re-up that he credited the authyand worked it out… did HBGuy leave that shit out?

[@Vherstinae]

@@CharzaKitsune It's almost certain that he did. hbomberguy is decent at game and show analysis, but turns into a frothing lunatic at anything or anyone even center-left, let alone right-wing. I can guarantee you that he at the very least contemplates lying at least by omission to paint those he dislikes in the worst light possible.

[@jacquestube]

​@@milkgxngI remember him strongly from the gamergate days, he is an ideological pile of shit. And the irony is he doesn't want to be held accountable for his shity left-wing opinions but he's already burned that bridge

[@itanocircus2106]

@@CharzaKitsuneisn’t that re-upload with permission directly addressed in hbombs video?

[@HPRshredder]

1:48 - I also listened to NVC a lot back then. I really missed Jose when he left. I did not appreciate the Filip days. I actually stopped listening to it altogether for a bit then. Casey was a great host for a while, but I kind of fell off when she stopped showing up. Jose, Altano, and Peer were the perfect trio.

[@containercore6832]

You're spot on about art at the end of the clip. It is about someone using their actual mind to communicate something to the rest of the world at the end of the day. Something that I found interesting is that the creators of Midjourney said they geared the whole thing to what would appeal to a 38 year old male (ie a tecbhro), and they found that because of this it's had substantially more adoption and popularity with older generations than it has with gen Z and gen alpha, which is extremely rare for new technologies. So who knows, maybe the younger generation will just reject it wholesale.

[@SuperNicktendo]

Yeah gaming channels seem to be pretty blatant about stealing stuff from smaller creators. It's frustrating. And Ai - oh boy. I use it to cut out filler words in unscripted content. Premiere will make a transcript of my video and then I can highlight a sentence and cut it out. Or have a larger video, copy the sentence and drag it to my timeline. But AI as a standalone art producer? It'll replace stock images for sure, but it's so stylized that people can already identify it as Ai and the Ai "artists" are so artistically challenged that they almost always type "in the style of" to get it to do what they want. And they don't understand it. Having dabbled with it myself, there's a lot of massaging that has to be done in order to get something coherent enough to even consider publishing it. You're better off spending the time to learn photoshop and creating it yourself in about the same amount of time.

[@RaNdoM_inSulTeR]

More like Red Lolcow Arcade. The blonde dude looks like he lures children into his van

[@RedCowArcade]

Screen name checks out.

[@backlogbuddies]

Regarding that music bit: since the late 00s a lot of producers have been using math and physics for hearing to make music as enjoyable as possible. So AI being able to make a pop song isn't that big of a deal because most pop songs use the same samples at specific keys with the same tempos/timing between them.

[@NothingKingKN]

I think the main issue with the video is that now people are going on a massive hunt, catching in people that may have tangentially used some wording someone else used and labeling them as a plagiarist. That's why I always suggest TomSka's "The Somerton Scale" video as a good companion piece to the 4 hours epic.

[@zachary_attackery]

I've literally never heard of any of these people and I watch KZbin all day

[@SuperAnthony3]

It seems that too many people are more interested in the fame aspect of being a video personality than it is because they have a burning need to share an original thought. I feel bad for those folks.

[@zachary_attackery]

thats pretty much all of KZbin now, none of these people CARE about making videos, they're just avoiding getting a "real" job

[@stevenpina1983]

About time, Graves gets back on the channel

[@temporaryscars]

Oh hey, I'm in upstate NY too. Wonder where that dude is located.

[@gamesthatiplay9083]

About Home Alone's traps, you get to see them all over again in Fargo season 5.

[@Kippykip]

Why does that top right guy sound like gabe newell when I alt tab lol

[@gamesthatiplay9083]

idk, but I can see it with the hair... despite being a different color.

[@DavidSGrop]

I always thought it was JonTron in hbomberguy's thumbnail

[@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917]

It's Onision, I'm pretty sure.

[@ProgSnob14]

He helped make the Amico scandal mainstream. He popped onto the Mega64 podcast as well, it's about time he appears on your's.

[@gamesthatiplay9083]

His video felt like plagiarism. Possibly because it felt like his coverage was too late.

[@roneteus]

Boy, what a rabbit hole.

[@seangalvin4582]

I was unsurprised to see this guy Luke Stevens mentioned. I knew there was something nefarious about that guy. His videos are digital litter. Videos for the sake of videos with no regard or respect for the audiences time. He does "retrospectives" on games from a few years ago and I was interested in playing one of them so I was excited, but it ended up just him playing and capturing footage from the first 20 mins of the game and unfocused meandering commentary while playing that 20 mins. It was lazy nothingness. Then I noticed that's most of his videos. He used to steal peoples ideas and content and now he just scams people by stealing their time.

[@homerhat420]

I like the clips for when I dont have the time for a full podcast

[@ssmelche]

Isn't there that kweblecop guy that just made an AI run his KZbin channel at this point? It looks like him talking but he's not even really there and didn't create anything.

[@TheLoneGameMan]

I commend you gentlemen for being able to listen to British Brainy Smurf for that long.

[@holdingpattern245]

I saw some recent plagiarisms against Elvis the Alien, stuff is coming out of the woodwork now. Art is anything that you recognize as the creation of a fellow human being. If you buy a chair from a guy who makes chairs, that's art; if you buy a chair from the store, it's not art. That's why people conflate the AI art issue with the idea of AI becoming self-aware, or whatever stupid thing they think will happen.

[@stevenpina1983]

I e always been on the fence on whether or not I liked that guy and his people he associates with. Some of his stuff is fine. But he seems kind of flaky or disingenuous

[@tacticaljunk1608]

The average person who works 8 hours 5 days a week doesn't so much care where their music comes from. AI generated music was as inevitable as McDonalds or market-tested cabal pop music, where each song is created by 50 producers writers and engineers, and no involvement from the band or face that performed it. Music is already based on science and math, it's going to be very easy to catch listeners and make money. It's too low effort for music producers big and small to not latch onto it.

[@Vaniity_Velvet]

I think a lot of reason people plagiarize is they maybe aren't really all that interested in what they are talking about or are just learning something. When I first learn something, I copy it word for word and slowly I start to better understand it then give it my own spin. But, when I've been asked to give a report on something I genuinely have no fucking interest in, I will outright copy it from someone else, usually I don't even attempt to hide that I stole it.

[@kennethd4958]

Using someone else’s material is fine as long as it’s properly and visibly sourced. But there also is a fine line there if you’re profiting off someone’s entire work whether it’s sourced or not.

[@gocsa]

@@kennethd4958 We all know there's a limit to that though. It is a bit vague but most of us know (or feel) the difference between using sources, quoting and flat out plagiarism. For example, in Bimmy's 28 days later video, some words and phrasing was changed here and there and there were some original things in there but we all know that was still plagiarism - citing the source would not have changed a thing, still plagiarism.

[@kennethd4958]

@@gocsa True. But it might have been a little better then flat out trying to pass someone else’s work off as your own. At least if they had said “This was a review from blah blah that we quoted and added our own opinion to” it might have not had as much backlash. You’re absolutely right, it’s still plagiarism no matter how you slice it though.

[@Vaniity_Velvet]

@@kennethd4958 What the Gay Brit overlooked was that The problem with Plagiarizing is you're only guilty when it's obvious and hardly ever is. Is what IH did Plagiarizing? Sure. do people care? No. Because it doesn't fit what would be considered obvious. If you want to be a little bitch about it, everyone plagiarizes everyone. But most people, most of the time aren't obvious. Do you think Egg-Head Twink was the first person to make a video to complain about Plagiarism? No. How does one get around this? Be a Gangster and Admit it. Cite all sources, even if you don't feel them relevant. Let the nerds call you a fraud or herald you a true pimp. My theory is most people aren't usually upset with the act anyways, but rather the attempted Illusion that you didn't do it.

[@garden6008]

using movies as an example. I don't think you'll see movies being made by AI any time soon, but movies made with some form of AI assistance might become the norm in ⁓20 years. even if we don't see it in the final product, a lot of concept art, unfinished cuts and even unedited scripts can be streamlined with it. at the end of the day a good chunk of the audience and big corporations don't see movies as a form of connection between the artist and viewer, but as content to keep people subscribed to a streaming service.

[@kushluk777]

Long time listener, never commented before. I disliked the HBomberGuy video and what it represents. One of the top, joyous, comments on HBomberGuy's video was "you only post twice a year, and we get this!" Which means instead of the creator investing energy into a creative expression of his own ideas or feelings, he instead opted to make one of his two yearly comments a moralistic and ultimately pointless hall-monitor like 4-hour denunciation on a bunch of people I wasn't fond of already. It represents the circular, self-referential purity cult aesthetic that often takes over leftish spaces, where a future vision is obliterated before a need for endless pointless struggle session. I'm not arguing stealing other's work is good because it isn't. But a purity cult gooning over the latest sinners is useless to moving forward - but very useful for looking backwards. Anyway, I enjoy your comments and analysis and listen while I work.

[@RedCowArcade]

Excellent points!

[@teen_laqueefa]

This was the best comment I have ever read. Thanks for sharing that critical analysis with us.

[@deludedreality89]

Superb.

[@gamesthatiplay9083]

His video felt like it was full of things that other KZbinrs covered better. It almost felt like plagiarism itself, just using other people's coverage and leg-work, but in his own words.

[@BaronFeydRautha]

Eurovision allowed an AI created song years ago, Blue jeans and Bloody Tears. I like it. I know it wasn't made by a person. I don't really care.

[@raycerx87]

An AI releasing music? A few plot points from Macross 2 and Macross Plus! Lol. Actually, I would probably go see a Sharon Apple if she existed. Highly suggest Macross Plus.

[@andrea2kx]

"One original and then a bunch of copies" Wrestling youtube is full of it. Like Whatculture and Wrestletalk, they all talk about the same things and damn near say the same things. Hell they make videos on a subject covered in DSOTR and just change the words around.

[@xmaverickhunterkx]

Was Rebecca Black AI?

[@Imsanthisismychannnelhi]

it IS reaally hard to come out with original thoughts about games, most videos are well this game i like it because i like it cuz the graphics are cool anndd yeah its pretty cool game, it definitely passes the test of time and *cough cough* the bar is so low that plagiarizing feels like a pointless effort to the alternative of just vomiting your GAMER opinions

[@Iruparazzo]

re: REview weirdness; I've got a similar hangup when it comes to the word "vehicle". So many people pronounce it vee-HICK-ul instead of VEE-a-kul and it drives me nuts. 100% every cop in the country regardless of region or dialect pronounces it with the HICKLE part lol

[@Progger11]

Wait... It's correct to say "veeucle?" WTF

[@Iruparazzo]

@@Progger11 look it up, the audio p ronunciations say 'vee-a' not "veehick"

[@davidlevy706]

James saying "REview" has nothing to do with his accent. I'm the same age (43) and was raised in South Jersey. It's not a thing there. Neither is his unusual pronunciation of "the" before vowel sounds ("thuh" instead of "thee").

[@codycardin]

Maybe im crazy, but these arent scholarly works, i dont care if youtubers plagiarize something. If its your content, i could understand being like, "where's assistant producer credit?", but putting up a video isnt an agreement to making an original contribution to a field. Hey hey, I got a hot scoop! The Internet Historians Shia videos? He copied the plot off 4Chan! And that video about the boat? That wasnt original research either. Take that and blow this sonabitch wide open. And if plagiarizing is a problem "react content" must be a problem too, cuz they aint even putting the work into plagiarizing it. But also im not super attached to any youtube creators, maybe if i was, I'd feel some sense of betrayl

[@RetroCrisis]

Hbomberguy is brilliant. No idea how factual he is, but he's incredibly entertaining

[@metfan999]

How factual he is? Did you see the actual video in question?

[@RetroCrisis]

@@metfan999 yup I watched the entire thing. He seemed pretty convincing

[@kristoffer8609]

If you enjoy breadtube content, I'm sure it's great. Otherwise, no.

[@Evil_Befall]

He also said he met newt once and newt was good at making things up

[@GevinHuey]

I was totally unaware of Internet Historian's instance. He's been very open about working with a team for a long time. On his videogame content he's admitted that plenty of the games he plays 0% of & is given scripts by members of the team. I very much enjoyed the Cave video. I suppose I'll have to watch the specific examples of how it plagiarized.

[@GevinHuey]

3 HOURS!? I'll watch somebody else's summary. [Edit] watched another video, it wasn't particularly helpful. Went back to the hbomber vid. It actually has very convenient time stamps and is fantastic content.

[@crptpyr]

​@@GevinHueyYeah, I was just about to reply to say that the hbomberguy video is all time stamped and the IH section is only about half an hour before I saw your comment Glad you actually enjoyed it though

[@thespiritofhegel3487]

HBomberGuy seems to have put on weight since I last saw him. Which was a long time ago. I picked up then that he is a guy with issues., so I left him alone. Fast forward to the present day, he still seems like a guy with issues.

[@BananaPhoPhilly]

I think it's sad how all of these AI programs are targeting the arts. An area that, in my opinion, should be entirely free of artificial intelligence

[@Dariothehungry]

Great conversation over the plagerism. My main gripe was how long the video was otherwise dude did a great vid.

[@shattaredentertainment4782]

You think plagiarism is bad, I found an anti boogie video where the guy just redubbed the voice over and posted as their own.

[@RedCowArcade]

Haha, holy shit!

[@gamesthatiplay9083]

Does the 10 million views of the HHBomber video count as 1 person 1 view, or 1 person coming back 5 times to continue watching the same 4 hour video?

[@backlogbuddies]

I remember when I was accused of plagiarism on an old website i ran. My response was, "How many people on Earth would compare a videogame to the word k(jewish slur)?" That shut up the discourse. To explain that comparison the game was supposed to be a ha ha look at me I'm so edgy aren't i funny but it just came off like someone walking into a room and shouting that slur.

[@backlogbuddies]

Re chatgpt plagiarism: For my current blog I'm debating adding ghost words to mess with chat gpt because it keeps scraping my website. Ghost words are words that appear under the page or in the breaks. You can highlight them to see them but the average user shouldn't be able to see them unless they break the css

[@maxlandshark]

Regarding the "reaction video" movement on KZbin: A good long while ago on the Giant Bombcast Jeff Gerstmann was talking about what he called "remix culture." The short version of his point was that Mystery Science Theater 3000 was doing it 30 years ago and it had merit then, the logical evolution would be people talking over video games via let's plays and that rolls right into reaction videos.

[@fast1nakus]

I always assumed that youtubers plagiarise most of their content in some form. Especially foreigners.

[@carcrashjayson]

How are you guys youtubers yet act like you have no clue how the copyright system works? The rights owners are the one responsible for striking down content, not KZbin, and whether or not a reaction video is transformative is for the courts to decide, not you or anyone else. You guys make enough content about other content that I would've thought you'd support the strongest possible protections for fair use. Also, in regards to SSSniperwolf "doxing" Jacksfilms, posting a photo of a house isn't doxing, and that address was already publicly available. Not even a fan of hers btw, just annoyed at you guys' ignorance

[@teen_laqueefa]

😂😂😂Jason😂😂😂😂 Reeeeview.....leave him alone

[@GGFTV]

Good video. Jason is based

[@obiiieeee]

EJ.. i can't believe you listen to crime junkies. plagiarism aside it is just not a good podcast. go listen to "Hunting Warhead" and "Le Monstre: The Dutrux Affair" both incredible podcasts

[@RedCowArcade]

To be fair, I haven’t listened in years. But thanks for the recommendations!

[@johnnybensonitis7853]

When it comes to Internet Historian I don't give a shit if he straight up rips off every single thing he does. As long as his videos are funny & entertaining I'm tuning in because he is the only one making his style of content. So, rip the written word right off of Little Orphan Annie for all I care, little biitch should've been making videos anyway.

[@jjstraka1982]

Thank you for confirming his fanbase has no sense of morals or ethics whatsoever.

[@johnnybensonitis7853]

@@jjstraka1982 I don't speak for his entire fan base or even presume to, I'm just saying that at the end of the day I'm coming to KZbin for what I find to be entertaining content. Something like this where IH has become involved in his first issue regarding plagiarism makes it seem as thought it isn't and has never been a recurring problem. It's something I can personally easily overlook. I respect anyone who can't, I do get it. I just really wanted to point out how that goes both ways. I don't give a shit what any content creator is like behind the scenes, all I really care about is the actual video content. Unless one of them get up to some truly heinous shit I'm going to watch their stuff as normal because I don't know who the fuck they are. The transaction between fan and CC is perfectly in tact as far as I'm concerned. (no disrespect intended, Merry Christmas my good man)

[@judastheman]

These guys are ai

[@TateS26]

Im really sorry. Even though im not the one who did it...

[@dapeck04]

Not the insufferable 3rd guy I can't

[@Dariothehungry]

Nah dudes great

[@SuperBobHoskinsBros]

Then don't. Get outta here.

[@KevPez-IS]

Have you ever done phantasy star month? No you haven’t. Give the guy respect

[@dapeck04]

@@SuperBobHoskinsBros I did problem is I like the other two and enjoy their podcast. I'm just giving my feedback. I am who I am, i just really can't stand the dude.

[@dapeck04]

@@KevPez-IS not my thing, I really do like the other 2, im giving my feedback but because i enjoy their podcast, but I just don't enjoy the new guy.

[@dip_trippy]

You guys are too smart and media savvy. I am too 😊 However, AI art WILL take over. A vast majority of people will have no clue and the rest will be history. Top 40 basically produced via "focus groups" over last 30 years.

[@PaulVanced-jl5gk]

I like. To play suoer nintendos

[@ashtraydekay6624]

I love that bomberguy is a box mac fan!!!!!!

[@LiquidShamanMan]

muh ruhview

[@TiesBesselJonker]

Y'all sound salty about hbomb's hard earned viewcount

[@RedCowArcade]

We're definitely not! I'm a fan of his and I thought the video was really good.

[@TiesBesselJonker]

@@RedCowArcade alright thanks for responding and apologies for misinterpreting

[@ProgSnob14]

Ree view is proper.

[@LethalBubbles]

y'all literally cut up other people's content and regurgitate them through an AI, monetize it on youtube, and you're gonna talk about plagiarism?? lmao

[@SuperBobHoskinsBros]

My question is two fold: 1. How can anyone outside of the old west expect to be taken seriously after starting a sentence with "y'all" 2. What do you eat to make your bubbles so lethal?

[@Dariothehungry]

I would assume you mean figuratively or you have a gross incompetent misunderstanding of what fair use is, which they use very little. Your strawman ad hominem is weak, gotta work on it.

[@Dariothehungry]

Also what exactly do you think AI is?

[@Deadguy2322forreal]

@@Dariothehungry The person you are replying to clearly has no concept of intelligence, artificial or otherwise.

[@Dariothehungry]

@@Deadguy2322forreal a fair point indeed