This Rebel Leader is basically Palpatine

[@GenerationTech]

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[@kirkdarling4120]

Luthern explicitly stated that his actions mirror those of Palpatine (for that matter, so does Mon Monthma). Luthern, however, realizes...he stated explicitly...that his actions are condemnable, and that by his actions, he deserves the dark personal future that is surely ahead of him. That's the critical difference between him and Palpatine.

[@Field_MarshalWithanENERGYS-p3m]

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[@cameronhermann9400]

He also knows that the only way to start building what can become the rebellion requires drastic actions or nothing will ever happen

[@Ptaaruonn]

Also Palpatine did all to himself unlike Luthen. Palpatine was a selfish SOB.

[@thikifo395]

When does he explicitly state that

[@alexcamacho1842]

Be careful of your friend Palpatine, and your pal Friendpatine

[@onliwankannoli]

The Farce is strong in this one.

[@JonathonSwinney2814]

What about Buddypatine?

[@Superpup570]

@@JonathonSwinney2814 We don't talk about Buddypatine. Ever.

[@OswaldPHaygood]

I clicked on the video just to like this post.

[@zachchartier570]

There is no highroad to take when the enemy holds all roads at gunpoint. The only line he hasn't crossed is to deliberately kill innocent people and pin it on the Empire. He creates dangerous situations where innocents COULD die, sure. But he hasn't ACTIVELY killed innocents... yet. I'll be very interested to see what he does going forward. After all, I don't see how he makes it out of Andor alive, so this is all we will get from him.

[@CoreFreddy]

Wow the dialogue is so good. Saw says "For the greater good." And Luthen does not answer anything theatrical. He plainly states "call it what you will". This right there is genius. Thank you for your angle of view on this, it was educational and insightful as always. Best SW channel on youtube!

[@LackofFaithify]

I knew there was a reason I loved Luthen and bought his figure and put it next to palp and Thrawn.

[@isaackim7675]

Now I’m trying to picture Luthen speaking with Thrawn about their ideals

[@alexjensen4703]

We need this!!!

[@schitflowsdwnhil]

lolllllll the shaver light with the grin. He's so silly and this channel is always better for it

[@Giddywiddy]

I always thought Luthen is to Saw what Palpatine is to Vader. Without the trust of course

[@GenerationTech]

i feel like vader and palpatine don't trust each other either

[@ikkimi7745]

@@GenerationTech If I recall correctly this matter was depicted in the fashion of the Rule of Two in the novel "Lords of the Sith" where Sidious asks Vader whether he perceives any weakness in the former's action's. Vader answered negatively but their chemistry was very intriguing and the suspense was there all the time.

[@UnswimmingFishYT]

He's definitely not a Jedi like some people have guessed. He's clearly a normal man as far as abilities, just one with a extreme dedication to the sole purpose of doing damage to the empire he hates. He fully devotes his entire existence to organizing and coordinating rebel groups and individuals, manipulating things to make the empire look as bad as it is, and quietly overseeing it collapse to the best of his ability, probably with the intent that getting rid of it will lead to a better life for the average person.

[@chriswarner8906]

What Rael forgets, or more likely doesn't know, is that the evil space wizard in charge of the empire was always going to do exactly the kind of intolerable evil Rael was hoping to goad Sidious into. The most tragic part of his character just might be that, whatever sacrifices and evil deeds he employed for the greater good, they were probably irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

[@jonathanpruett7831]

That's true cause like no matter what happens palpy is always going to just try and ruin it all anyway

[@westwardstar1686]

I think thats partially true. Luthen is an agitator of sorts. Poking and prodding the Empire until they overreact. While the Empire does do terrible things, its roughly planned. The Ferrix Riots were not planned, and did not have involvement from Luthen.

[@neofulcrum5013]

Mon Mothma: The Idealist Saw Gerrera: The Radical Luthen Rael: The Pragmatist Leia: Hybrid Blend

[@GenerationTech]

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[@DaleESkywalker]

Padme: The Enabler. Han: The Denier Luke: The Compassionate, Gullible Thr33pi0: The Butler R2: The Savior

[@uncivilized_caveman]

@@DaleESkywalker Hera: the hopeful Kanan: the avenger Zeb: the survivor Ezra: the future Chopper: the manmade horror of mutually damaging proportions

[@isaackim7675]

Han: The Nerf herder Luke: The optimism

[@timroach5898]

I think im more like Gerrera

[@blackromulan]

Don't you ever say an unkind thing about Luthen Rael That man sacrificed everything so that you nerfherders can be free

[@Intranetusa]

Luthen is not a hero. He's a silent guardian. A watchful protector. A Dark Knight.

[@TheGambler2003]

Mom pick me up I’m scared, Alan is in places that have never been illuminated before

[@steelresilience]

Mon Mothma was worried about moving 400k. Luthen was worried about 80 million. He's the CFO of the rebellion.

[@DrJay-yj1ig]

The irony that the man just as ruthless for Palpatine is not a powerful Jedi, ruthless military leader or a nosy senator but a small museum shopkeeper/spymaster. Now power influence or even a leader just a small man planting whispers.

[@ishill85]

i like to imagine he was a jedi, but now has so much mental turmoil he doesn't even try to use the force cause he knows he'd only be able to access the darkside.

[@chiefwiggi]

Can we please for the love of the force talk about the family DARKLIGHTER?!

[@diobroly7875]

Luthen Rael = Elim Garak

[@timecontroller8800]

I didn’t even realise Luthen wasn’t Palpatine this video has already won its argument

[@colinhetfleisch4694]

hey allen

[@scrabtr67]

Great analysis as usual. Thanks!

[@nathansheldahl]

Well, the hero’s didn’t make those choices opening or during the movies. I’m damn sure they did behind them (especially Leia and Mon Mothma as she was the leader later during the war). We have to remember the saying to never meet our hero’s as we probably won’t like what you see up close and personal. Edit: I agree he’s wasn’t a regular Jedi, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he was Jedi Intelligence if he was a Jedi. He was definitely in intelligence work of some kind that’s for sure.

[@devo1977s]

Luthen is going to end up being some sort of force user, I don't think Disney can help itself

[@AceSpadeThePikachu]

I still think Luthen Rael WAS a Jedi, but now he's a fallen Jedi. A Dark Jedi perhaps, not unlike Baylan Skoll. I'm hoping the series finale has him finally whip out his lightsaber (maybe an orange one like Baylan's) against either Darth Vader or even Palpatine himself. Nothing less than that would be a worthy end to a character of his caliber.

[@ikkimi7745]

I sort of get your point but Andor seems so exceptional Star Wars that bringing the force in to it would be too easy and including Vader or Palpatine would just be cheap fan service.

[@marsiloficino5060]

This was a great assessment!

[@niclashelbig7044]

Dude, this is the biggest Goose bumps video you made till now. Ive been watching your channel for like 5 years now, never commented till now. Just wanted to let you know that this video character-comparison was pretty great! Just one creative input... I would have been engaged even more if you let the whole Luthan-sacrifice Monologue play at @11:26. great work guys.

[@alexjensen4703]

Great Video Alan! Luthen is my favorite Star Wars Character also.

[@Nutelko8]

Cant wait for Andor S2 🤙🤙

[@TheDentedHelmet]

Luthen being a true CIS Loyalist Sith Lord really is an interesting concept and would canonically fit in well with what we know of him so far.

[@2010Hunt3r]

The moment Luthen said I use my enemies tools and become them with the black cloak and cane made me realize how much Palpatine truly influenced his strategy

[@theliato3809]

He's the rebellions Silco.

[@travisfleenor2418]

I almost want to Concur. I see the parallel between Silco's dedication to the establishment of Zaun as a sovereign entity and Luthen's dedication to the rebellion. I also see the ruthless calculation in both characters. But there is a viciousness, narcissism and possibly even sadism to Silco that I don't see in Luthen. Silco demands respect, and, you can tell, truly enjoys wielding power over those he feels are beneath him. He likes having power. He accomplishes much of his agenda by being feared, flooding the streets with shimmer and in general by being the hnic. Luthen doesn't seem to seek power at all and accomplishes his ends primarily through manipulation, convincing argument and putting people between a rock and a hard place. He doesn't care to have his name ring out or if he is respected by any wider group. In fact, it would be detrimental to how he moves. Luthen just wants the Republic restored, or at least for the Empire to fall. He has no designs on governing any part of it. In fact, he doesn't believe he'll be around to witness his own ends achieved. But, Silco, doesn't just want Zaun to exist, he wants to run it once it does.

[@glen9593]

Great work.

[@shanenolan5625]

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[@ArgandTabletop]

Luthen being your favourite character is 100% a respectable take, though for me, he's second place, right between Kreia and Corran Horn.

[@johnturner6063]

Great as always

[@BigStereoVR]

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[@amiedetherese]

Valen Hess had many unpleasant decisions to make with Operation Cinder.

[@naru4ever348]

Great analysis! Though I have to add that Mon Mothma also learned from Palpatine and is hiding in plain sight. While Luthen seems to coordinate the first cells and collects the threads, Mothma will most likely be the one to glue the Rebellion into an actual organization. Cannot wait for the conflict between the two masterminds to play out and how Mon Mothma will overstep the red line in holding the Emperor directly accountable for the Gorman Massacre.

[@jamesbodnarchuk3322]

First senator Then Chancellor Ultimately Emperor

[@lanaz375]

In my cannon Luthen was a lower ranking security member of the Senate guard. Maybe he witnessed the true nature of Palpatine during the transition of power from Valorum to Palpatine? Maybe whilst acting as a security guard - he overheard some of the high level security talks between the jedi and Senate guard and republic intelligence about the Sith. Maybe Luthen's team was silently purged and he is the only remaining member of his original team? Maybe he had a personal relationship with a lower member jedi who was exeecuted in front of him whilst he was on duty. Regardless Luthen is the bomb!!!

[@Mecceldorf]

It's astounding when you think about it. Out of everything that's gestated out of Disney Star Wars the most consistent improvement they have made to the series is the rebellion against the empire. Whether that's by design or not, all the best stories and writers make the original trilogy era's rebels look better, more compelling, more competent than they had before. The OT not the sequels.

[@Herrjrdenrunt]

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[@timroach5898]

A leader, making the sacrifices for the greater good. Just like a god that sacrifices many to hell in order to glean for the greater good of heaven.

[@glen9593]

Nice analogy. A good Palpatine, probably lacking access to the Force. Probably.

[@jeffwolcott7815]

Man, war really is Hell.

[@jonathanpruett7831]

Lol 989 and great add Allen 😂 10 of 10

[@joeylindeman2842]

Real rebels use a straight razor down there, Alan. You must know this...

[@jamesbodnarchuk3322]

No blades near my boys😂

[@wtfamiactuallyright1823]

Great video. I think it is still possible ((But unlikely.) he was a Jedi, they did have sects that were better trained for this sort of thing and given the era, some of them may have been push to these measures. I've often wondered if I'd be capable of this role; not instinctively but, in war, you may have no other options.

[@onliwankannoli]

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[@RNW11B94B]

ABSOLUTELY AWESOME 👏 ❤

[@luisemoralesfalcon4716]

Place him and Trawn in the same room.

[@Jamesalec63]

In the way you are saying this story is taken from a famous novel, A tale Of Two Cities or The Man In The Iron Mask. All Star Wars flims come from basically some of the greatest stories we can imagine and two world wars and legends of the Creeks and Roman Empire, Romulas, and Remus. It's a base story of Vader and Skywalker and the empire and the forces, magic, and control.

[@deathmeister9452]

I bet it's Palpatine using soul essence transfer again because Disney cant come up with another villan for Star Wars😅

[@jh7176]

Sorry but this is just an enlightened centrist post my guy. Luthen Rael doesn't commit genocide or enslave whole planets. He do b committing war crimes and partnering with terrorists but comparing the two is a stretch.

[@Ni-qc6yq]

I released a bowel movement and it looked like Palpatine. Anyone want to see the photo?

[@FutureDeadpool]

Only if you're a female

[@fatwithmoney8953]

Can't wait for season 2. Hopefully they stick the landing

[@TheBearInTheChair]

It's going to be hard, they have to take stories and ideas that may not be fleshed out from seasons 2-5 and put them into one. Whatever it is, it looks like I'll be getting a D+ account again to see for myself when it comes out.

[@Rex73777]

Somehow Palpatine returned

[@haroldchase4120]

Yup during the revolution our ancestors had to force farmers to give the Continental army food, etc. yup revolutions are messy

[@DaleESkywalker]

Did someone say ReyBellion?

[@afunkymonke]

No

[@rusulabdul6747]

This is perfectly illustrated by the fact that Rebels is not as good as we try to make it out to be Same with Empire It's not always white and black It's mostly grey

[@jessmith7324]

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[@deewatsoon6036]

Luthren is an Anti-Palpatine, I'm guessing...

[@thesinofpride9433]

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[@paradoxworkshop4659]

Cousins, identical cousins....

[@MBSill]

Interesting.🤔

[@danieljanz4229]

I'm not entirely convinced the Original Trilogy got it all wrong what a rebellion is. Try to compare the last shot of the original Star Wars movie with Hitlers speech from 1939 in Nürnberg and you will notice that the scenery where Luke and Han receive their medals looks quite similar. With a director like George Lucas who just before that happened to make a movie about anti-fascism, this cannot be a coincidence. And wasn't it Geroge Lucas who wanted the logo of the rebellion to be "very fascist" and "intimidating"? I am fairly convinced, that - even though not talking about that in his movies - he was very aware that this rebellion could not work without a trace of fascism or totalitarism.

[@aulukut]

How a person can not like Andor...

[@TheBearInTheChair]

I can think of a few ways, but I saw that it was made with heart.

[@reginaldshort8486]

Rael is the Baba Yaga of the Empire. He turned himself into a man of purpose, focus, sheer fuuking will. He knew he would die but cared more about the success of his mission.

[@partymcfly5549]

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[@eric3347]

Is r2d2 not an important individual?

[@professorcinncinatus4619]

Luthen Rael is very UNLIKE Palpatine in several key ways. First, the actions undertaken by Luthen are a reaction against the plainly existing and brutal tyranny of the Empire, whereas Palpatine's actions took a galaxy at peace and propelled it into massive war to satisfy his own personal ambitions. Second, where Luthen's actions are fairly limited in scale and scope, Palpatine's decisions visit violence on many throughout the galaxy and result in genocide against entire worlds. Your argument is flawed in that it is basically similar to one which would seek to create a moral equivalency between Hitler and an operative of the wartime British SOE or American OSS.