HEAD TO HEAD. DiRT RALLY 2.0 v EA Sports WRC

I've made up my mind. What do you think?
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Both games were played on PC with a Nvidia 3070 GPU, using a Simagic Alpha Mini Wheel, Fanatic V3 pedals, Fanatic sequential shifter and Fanatic handbrake.
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[@skyeait5939]

in DR2 it feels like i can feel and hear the engine behind my monitors and the stones hitting under my chair.

[@Han124]

You can hear that in WRC too. Just reduce engine sound level from 100 to around 70 and it sounds just like in DR2.0

[@AmirPomen]

​@@Han124 Actually for realism... The dr2 onboard sound is the correct one... But u were tricked to think that eaWRC have the "correct" onboard sound because all onboard camera in wrc broadcast have their noise cancelled either via the intercom system or post proccessing for the broadcast comentator voice overlay... While in reality dr2 have the actual sound that u would hear with your own ears when u sit inside a rally car... Cheers

[@Han124]

@@AmirPomen i have not talked about realism at all and have not been tricked into anything. I just advised on how to replicate DR2.0 sound levels in WRC. That is a really long reply you have written about something I have not said at all.

[@skyeait5939]

@@Han124 if we just watched the same vid it doesn't sound the same on a basic level.

[@Han124]

@@skyeait5939 did you understand what I wrote? IF - this is the clue - IF you change levels in WRC. Where did I write that in this video WRC and DR2.0 sound the same? Please show me...

[@julianbailey2749]

What that comparison shows me is that in DR2 it looks like you are driving down a rough track being bounced about and needing to control the car over a 3D surface. In WRC it looks like you are driving down a smooth tarmac road with a dirt graphic overlay on it.

[@illuwe]

You must not have played WRC yourself then. There are stages where you are being bounced around constantly and it's very difficult to go fast without losing control.

[@julianbailey2749]

@@illuwe I have not played WRC but from the in car footage Kenya is probably the roughest surface to drive on. Also Kenya in WRC looks noticeably smoother than Argentina in DR2 for which I do have several hundred hours drive time. I don't think that WRC is bad, but it seems to lack the bite the made DR2 feel like you had to learn how to drive the cars within the limits of the environment. There are also bits of DR2 that I would gladly see gone, like the 2 ft high wooden sticks in Aus that could stop a car dead in its tracks.

[@ricepony33]

WRC feels great with a good wheel setup, handling is an improvement for sure… the rest is a downgrade.

[@oryged9990]

​@@julianbailey2749go get yourself wrc.... objectively much better physics than dr2 which subjectively means much more fun to me. Also the stages are way better in wrc imo. Mexico is amazing (and difficult) and yeah kenya is nice but definetly overhyped

[@Xariann]

The tarmac, gravel and snow feel VERY different in WRC. Gravel doesn't feel anything like tarmac. And even the tarmac changes depending on conditions. Sounds like you are parroting what another reviewer said (I watched that video yesterday) without having played the game yourself. The game has bumps and crests and the cars can be unruly. There is one particular track which has straw in the middle of the road which upsets the car balance all the time. Maybe there could be more pot holes.

[@snoopycharlie8718]

Crazy how, if you didnt have the thumbnail labelled with Dirt2.0/ Ea WRC, youd imagine the new game is the one on the left. Colour, texture, camera - everything looks far better!

[@Kretunio]

Not sure I can agree, DR2 looks more candy like. EA WRC has more pale colours which makes it look more natural, more like a video footage. It certainly doesn't have a next gen graphics, but at least on XSX there are certain things it does better graphically in comparison to DR2 - lightning, how car lights are reflected on the road, snow, gravel. Car lamps! They are way better than DR2, it is actually a light source overlayed by a plastic material, while in DR it was done with textures. I am a big fan of DR/DR2, but EA WRC is a good game, lacks some polishing, hopefully they will still update it.

[@snoopycharlie8718]

Regards the thumbnail image for the video, DR2 still looks far better. In game may be different as you've said. However, seeing some Subaru footage from EA, the blue looks so off and the cars look like the lacquer is a mile thick so doesn't allow the blue come through, particularly at a distance. In the thumbnail, EA looks worse than Evos WRC games on PS2 ha

[@vincentgiasson7551]

Thanks for the side by side review!! For me both games are great. But playing WRC on the xbox , I hope EA fix the technical glich quickly (the screen freeze and the clipping)!!

[@shuntymcshuntface]

1. I believe there were restrictions put on what those early previewers could say. 2. Adjust your brightness in EA WRC (there's a menu item for it) 3. Have a play with in game feedback settings. 100 on everything isn't necessarily the way (I'm running 60 80 90 95 100 30 40) 4. I honestly thought you were gonna say DR2 😆

[@LightningMagoo]

1. I'm sure that's the case. 2. I know. The contrast and saturation levels are the bigger problem. 3. I actually preferred the heavier steering in WRC. 4. It's closer than it should be 😁.

[@kevstephen9393]

Wrong gear m8, that t-shirt is shocking 😉

[@Maverienk]

It also looks bad at my pc. Turned down the brightness already and the rest is on high and triple screens.

[@Maverienk]

We need to test the multiplayer

[@AtH1338]

​@@LightningMagoo yeah that's what keeps me playing WRC instead of DR 2.0. I can feel the weight of the car much better. Honestly WRC handles more like RBR than DR 2.0 does. They're both great games though

[@cybersteel8]

Maaan the DR2 audio is so much better, it's so weird that the same car in two different games by the same devs can sound so different. Aren't they both using a real life car as a reference that they recorded the audio from? How is such a big difference in audio possible?

[@theburgundynetwork3432]

That Impreza in WRC sounds like an electric car lol. It really annoys the fuck out of me for some reason.

[@jjeeqq]

Wrc sounds were recorded live by developers. Watch some WRC rally and you can hear they are not that loud and amazing soundin.

[@jz2811]

You perfectly summarized what I feel about these two games. I only wish they could improve performance in EA WRC because I prefer its driving feel with a controller and also career mode. Graphics, it's not as good as Dirt 2, but I can live with it. The problem is that it runs very poorly on low settings at 1080p with a 3060, compared to the smooth 60 frames per second on medium settings at 4K in Dirt 2. Great review.

[@user-df7hq9ux1d]

I probably should consider myself lucky, because I run WRC on 3060 laptop at 1080p on HIGH preset and steam counter shows around 60 FPS most of the time. Going from 43-45 at least, and 75+ at not so detail crowded tracks. Microstutters were a big problem in preorder days before launch, but then they miraculously almost disappeared along with vegetation flickering bugs. Screen tears are rare small and barely noticeable. Dirt rally 2.0 performance is obviously miles better. All this observations lead me to believe that performance issues of WRC are fairly fixable. I hope everybody else can get a similar experience as myself.

[@jangalaba4626]

well then youre gonna be happy about todays update lmao. The update should fix a lot of the stutters and stuff, im hyped to see how it goes

[@jz2811]

@@jangalaba4626 I look forward for it!

[@Andre-qx6bl]

Denuvo issue

[@jayjaygolden5123]

i also have a 3060 and ea wrc runs at 120+ fps on high settings for me..

[@marcushyppy]

At one point you were not in the right gear and you have dared to enter the hairpin at a slight 47degree angle....other than that , thank you for your time and review....😅

[@nuthinguseful]

I think that particular car, the sound is kinda rubbish on WRC. Some of the other cars sound waaaaay better. I think generally the WRC sound is better overall. They've cleared up the stutters in a patch today apparently. Also, this side by side, I'm actually going to say I think WRC looks better. In terms of the geometry on and off the track, it's a lot more detailed if you look at what is actually going on with the surfaces. I think there's a vibe of washedoutness to WRC but I'm assuming this is probably because of the more 'realistic' lighting. This has happened in lots of games prior. I do still love DR2, but I'm very glad WRC has appeared now.

[@tomasmenezes3683]

I totally agree with u and disagree with him, DR2.0 miles better graphicly?! Wtf, i think some people don't know anything about graphical stuff these days.

[@BWTECH0521]

Man I really enjoyed this video so much, I had to SUB. I think you are spot on with your review. I've played DR2 for the last couple years and when I switched to WRC, I also noticed it was much more forgiving, hence I enjoyed it a lot more. DR2 was more frustrating (But very challenging and fun in that way). I absolutely appreciate your unfiltered honesty brother! I am looking forward to more patches for WRC. You deserve more subs!!! Game on!

[@andreasotto1977]

Absolutely agree with your verdict. Regarding the FFB, I think that in WRC you can actually and finally feel the weight of the car in the wheel.

[@nothingproheretv]

"fun factor"! You nailed it bro! It seems that nowadays all we care about is how "sim" a racing game is and we bash on those "arcady" games. I get that some people are hardcore and want all the realistic graphics and physics etc but imo at the end of the day, these are still "games" that are available on Steam etc. When I finish work and sit down at my rig, all I want is to have fun without stressing out too much (I could have just stayed back at work for OT if I want stress) and we seem to have forgotten the purpose of "gaming" - it's to have fun, it's entertainment. The point you made about the audio is interesting too. Reminds me of how I thought ACC audio was awesome until later I thought "was that realistic thou when I m driving in a car with helmet on, not sitting in the engine bay?" I miss the old days when there was a racing game came out, we didn't debate on how sim it is, instead we just get stuck in and play! For sure people have preferences but "fun" is very important and I agree with you that, for me, WRC is the winner here in that regards!🎉😊 Thanks for the vid!!

[@Dr.Manrug]

Resonating with this my g! Quitting all the games that cause stress and going back to it for fun is the best thing I did 🙌

[@garethhughes5745]

im using a 3060 gpu, on epic settings in WRC, with a 1080p monitor. im getting fps going up and down from 47-120fps. and after the latest patch today i didnt go below 60fps. That is with DLSS set to Quality aswell.

[@solid_rooster4587]

Sadly the update didn't help me

[@AmirPomen]

Im commenting specifically for the sound department... Actually for realism... The dr2 onboard sound is the correct one... But people were tricked to think that eaWRC have the "correct" onboard sound because all onboard camera in wrc broadcast have their noise cancelled either via the intercom system or post proccessing for the broadcast comentator voice overlay... While in reality dr2 have the actual sound that u would hear with your own ears when u sit inside a rally car while eaWRC sound profile mimicking what we would hear from the wrc event broadcast video

[@chrisco0108]

try to adjust the brightness of WRC down to 30, huge improvement. I also have a 3070 gpu

[@user-uo3le6wy9y]

Exactly!!!! It's 30

[@superstar5042]

I set it to 0 and it still burns my eyes on some stages

[@SportingDrivesinColorado]

Thanks for the demo, Lightning. I'm curious, did WRC play without glitches?

[@LightningMagoo]

Thanks. It wasn't completely without glitches - there were a few stutters, particular if I had impact with anything. It has improved since the recent patch but I've still had the odd stutter.

[@massimol.5190]

I prefer Dirt Rally 2.0 due to its more simulating driving experience. But there is something I can only experience in WRC that Dirt Rally 2 is missing and makes me enjoying each single stage: the sense of speed! I don't know how, but EA WRC gives you the real feeling of speed.

[@JeffSSartor]

Narrower roads.

[@justme_7145]

WRC Generations was slated because it was just plain broken at launch.... To name but a few things: Wheels didn't work correctly, gearbox mechanics were completely broken on ALL vehicles, FFB was near non-existent, rain/snow effects on windscreens and in puddles were absent, there were performance issues and vehicle sounds were all muffled. To make matters worse, because KTR knew Generations was their final entry in the WRC franchise they released a mere two post-launch updates (which fixed very little) and then completely washed their hands of the game - so make up your own mind if the backlash was justifiable or not. I absolutely agree with your WRC / DR2 analysis but all things considered, that little dig at the Generations nay-sayers was a tad below the belt.

[@EAssassins]

Love seeing gamers with long term memory lol see so many comments from people just riding the wave that suits them , makes communities and industry so shitty, thanks for keepin it real 👍👍

[@iansteelmatheson]

yeah, I've been playing Generations recently on PS4, and playing it back-to-back with WRC 8 is like night and day. I think the physics are generally "more realistic" in generations than in 8, but it's not fun (and neither of them are close to DR2 on gravel and snow). all cars spin out way too easily when you use the handbrake, and you have to be extra cautious in the corners. WRC 8 allows you to chuck the cars around and it's more forgiving unless you're going very fast. Generations also just runs very poorly. the loading times are ultra long. it crashes once every time I play it, usually towards the end of a long stage. the audio is atrocious... ugh

[@Utube2Itube]

I’m actually one of those who preferred Generations in front of Dirt 2.0. We do exist 😊. I didn’t experience any performance problems on Xbox Series X at launch, although my wheel does not have force feedback so I can’t comment on that part. My main liking about Generations was the handling with a lot of weight and momentum to the car. You really had to master weight transfer and throttle control to make it through the corners and if you stepped on the brakes too mch it was easy to lock up the wheels and run off the track. I really liked the challenge that these physics introduced. Dirt 2.0 wasn’t bad, but it had some quirks that didn’t suit me. The car felt way too light in its rotation, and it felt weirdly unstable at full speed. If you just touched the side of the road the slightest it would go absolutely bananas, shaking like a maracas. I really like EA WRC, it’s my new go to rally game, because to me it has merged the best parts of Dirt 2 and WRC G. It’s only the graphics that are worse, but it’s not a game changer. The performance was also bad at launch but it already seems improved after the first patch, and it will only get better.

[@tb6539]

god actually found a wrc gen lover lol i loved that game far better than this ea garbage !! @@Utube2Itube

[@BE-bk1tb]

You mean slighted.

[@maza19]

they need to fix the performance. Even at very low graphics the game is struggling at times

[@LightningMagoo]

I believe that has come with the latest patch.

[@mgentleman1]

Been playing DR1 for a while and feel it is really good, great graphics, sound, cars and no stuttering on ultra settings I can't really see an upgrade here. please tell me how it is better as i'm sitting on the fence right now, thanks.

[@LightningMagoo]

It’s very hard to say why/if the new game is better. All I’m basing my opinion on is having more fun on EA WRC. Graphically, audibly and in terms of polish, DR2 wins but I still enjoyed WRC more. If I was racing single player I would just stick with DR2 but the big range of stages and cars make EA WRC more enjoyable with friends.

[@mgentleman1]

Thanks for the insight bud.@@LightningMagoo

[@Aninga32]

DiRT Games feels more free, WRC feels like has more downforce of the cars.

[@jamesvozar1]

Liked and subbed, all the best with your channel mate.

[@Ohlukei]

as far as I know in ea wrc the engine noises were taken from real cars. I agree that the gfx in dirt rally 2.0 looked better even if you play ea wrc on ultra settings.

[@larsjj2794]

If you'd told me the footage was the other way around, I would have believed you.

[@MiDo-by8ib]

Yes, the more fun you have the better the game - Its by no means training for real anyway..

[@MrBeerscuits]

WRC looks like the road is so flat

[@cosmicality8002]

He might be using time trial for the WRC gameplay where the track is pristine. If you set the degradation to maximum the road has serious ruts on the corners and a clear driving line actually worn down into the road. Kenya becomes genuinely scary on max degradation as all the dirt had worm away exposing lots of tough rock and earth that can easily smash your bumper during braking zones.

[@MrBeerscuits]

@@cosmicality8002 Interesting! So that is actually a feature, that's awesome.

[@cosmicality8002]

@MrBeerscuits yeah the track degradation in WRC has a lot of impact especially on gravel, RWD cars are seriously hard to drive when the ruts are really bad

[@schmid1.079]

@@cosmicality8002 It's unfortunate they didn't include one of the nastiest forms of stage degradation, dirt getting thrown on tarmac. Turns a lot of corners into slippery slides as bad as Monte Carlo ice, especially when rainy.

[@MattskiAdventures]

BUT!!! one big thing to note. I can play Dirt rally 2.0 in VR, and cannot yet with WRC correct?

[@mariegamer2146]

yes you are right. Now EA sports WRC has gotten VR support and i dont like it

[@MattskiAdventures]

Didn’t know it finally got it, I’ll have to open it back up and give it a try.

[@cyclonmaster]

I love ea sports wrc, not realistic but fun to play

[@GoggledGecko]

For me the main selling point of EA WRC is the stage designs. They just feel a bit more interesting and exciting to navigate, that's actually why I really liked WRC Generations regardless of all of its flaws. EA WRC kinda feels like a very similar type of stage design, but just with better feeling handling. The asphalt still feels meh at best though

[@roanegaming]

Great comparison mate, the reason the graphics are not so good on WRC is because the exposure is too high in-game in photography/film terms it's blown out, so you loose detail and contrast.

[@DanBlake3rd]

I find that turning down the brightness quite a bit helps, but still wish that WRC had more contrast.

[@messiahshow]

I agree with you the fun factor is incredible and brings back my Ralli Sport Challenge memories on the first xbox. That game also had extremely fun gameplay and I been looking for that same vibe since and now I found it. Absolutely love EA WRC.

[@MohamedAli965]

I appreciate your honest thoughts even though i disagree with your findings

[@tattoodude8946]

Here's another thing to consider - I just bought Dirt Rally 2.0 Game of the Year Edition for $10 on sale. The base game is only $5. WRC can't compete with that!

[@mysearchisover1187]

I just bought WRC last night on Steam (30% because I already own DR2 through the bundle!). I really like WRC because it feels like I'm driving in a vast open world.

[@tattoodude8946]

@@mysearchisover1187 Whoa! Thanks for the tip on that. I may just have to snap that up too. I might wait for the Christmas sales though and see if I can get them to knock off a few more bucks! 👍

[@JM-fr5ge]

Mind u Dirt Rally 2.0 is 6 year old game of course it’ll be dirt cheap. Y would u wanna pay full price for a last gen 6 year old game

[@tomtabone7949]

So get both😂

[@tomtabone7949]

If you like Rally cross you should get both WRC has no rally cross.

[@gustav0587]

Neither. The best is Dirt Rally 1 (2015). The closest Codemasters got to the RBR level. For people who didn't have a chance to play it, I recommend buying a steam key for a couple of bucks. The only con is that it doesn't have as much content as DR2 or EA WRC.

[@mgentleman1]

That's all I play at the moment no stutters,great cars and graphics, just sitting on the fence at the mo, I did notice Steam has DR" and WRC for £44 for both so may well get that.

[@Gilfoyle007]

For me challenge in racing sim is more important than fun factor. So DR2 wins hands down, handling in WRC is just too easy, no satisfaction at all. We already have rally arcades with WRC 10 and WRCG, so I hoped EA WRC would keep sim genes from DR2, but smell of money was too strong, so they made this POS and destroyed the genre.

[@LevelUpSimRacing]

Default brightness is way to much on wrc have it set at 10 I think it looks much better.

[@LeeM74]

I've seen many videos of this game, and channels advertising it. I don't have it, but I do have the original dirt rally & dirt rally 2.0 and I would still rather play the original. Time will tell on this, and I won't be buying it unless it's on sale...

[@s3any1977]

I'm torn because I played DR 2.0 for years right up to WRC release and then uninstalled DR 2.0. I bought WRC Generations and uninstalled it after an hour because it was garbage. The handling model is horrendous. In EA WRC I like the career, longer stages, more stages, content etc. DR 2.0 you have to fight with the car more. All I ever used in DR 2.0 was the Lancia Italia. So, in WRC my first car buy was a Lancia Italia and it handles great but with less fight. I would actually prefer the fight. I totally agree on your review. EA WRC is the newest. I can't go back to DR 2.0 now, just for the fact that it has a bare bones career. WRC is a good game but it could have been better. It should get better with patches. But we'll see.

[@5786brian]

Wrc is easier. Dirt feels like you're always walking a tight rope and you could fall off any second. Wrc makes it easier so it is more fun to pick up and play. I love both games but if it was a choice to only play 1 forever it'd be wrc. Dirt is far more hard core and realistic

[@mosswine5417]

Dirt feels like you aren't even connected to the road with a weird and floaty weight transfer

[@sportschool3537]

Dirt is NOT realistic... real rally cars drive like they drive in WRC... not floaty boats that slide all over the place like in Dirt Rally 2.0... Real rally cars are controllable and you can slide them at will while being IN CONTROL... now if you think it's "too grippy" or "too easy" then you're simply GOING TOO SLOW... and you don't know how to drive a rally car or power slide it or tune it correctly... so either learn how to drive or at least don't give an opinion on what is "realistic" out of your ass because some idiots online actually read it and believe any kind of bullshit they read...

[@rodrigoperezserrano9595]

​@@sportschool3537no se podía explicar mejor.

[@socks2441]

jeeze, i just cant get over how boring and easy with too much grip and flat plain roads wrc has. dirt rally 2.0 still wins it for me in all areas, maybe even its unrealistic (but fun and challenging) tarmac. the gravel is leagues ahead imho, wrc has added seriously weird grip to the loose surfaces. its almost like gravel is just the tarmac physics but with less grip. just like in dirt rally 2.0 tarmac was just dirt physics but with more grip.

[@tb6539]

hi i understand where your coming from and the point of view you are making i loved dirt rally 1 & 2 and played hundreds of hours on both i always use cock pit view as i like immersion and prefer a game to be more sim like as i use a sim rig with wheels & pedals etc now when wrc geneations came out i went on to that and with that game as others once you take the time to set up your force feedback correctly and also the car set ups/ tuning then wrc gen in my opinion was better than DR 2.0 mostly because of the graphics / stage design but also the car handling model i knew exactley how the car would behave on different surfaces / stages and felt completely connected to the road and i have been having a blast on wrc gen !! So i like many others really thought that this new ea wrc game by codemasters would be a next gen AAA game which would be as good as wrc gen if not better ? But unfortunately it has fell way short the game is literally broken on single player and multiplayer has screen stutter tearing etc there are thousands of gamers who have complained and you can understand why . This game was obviously made towards the masses like gamers who just use controllers and tried to make it easier to drive and play but all they have created is an arcade game which has numerous issues and bugs !! yes the new patch 1.3 has almost erased some not all of these issues i feel the graphics have improved slightly once the game has been patched a few times then this will be a pick up and play game with a lot of fun factor it will not be even a sim/cade game just an arcade game i have played rally games for years and have actually driven a wrc 2 rally car on gravel and tarmac stages how the hell can they say this is like the real thing ?? the wrc drivers would have been paid to have a go and make positive comments or would even be in contractual agreements but at the end of the day this should not have been released in this state and the dr community who seem to say otherwise are only fooling themselves and trying to proclaim how great this game is and your not doing yrselves any favours as you are allowing ea sports to think that that this is acceptable to launch a game when it really isnt ready !! anyhow thats my rant i just wish the graphics were better the handling model more sim like and it would have been my game to go to but still at this moment its still going to be wrc generations far more realistic than ea wrc !!!!

[@tubzvermeulen]

Thanks for the video

[@Ragox]

The roads in WRC feel completely flattened compared to DR 2.0, very arcade-like

[@darkblader06]

NGL Dirt 2.0 looks better but WRC plays better specially on Wheel out of the box

[@Xariann]

Thanks for this video.

[@user-dm2hr3qk9l]

I have heard people say dirt rally 2.0 has a kind of a false difficulty to it. And the EA WRC is far more realistic in terms of wheel feeling/driving difficulty.

[@ank-so1yo]

i've played years ago dirt2 long time, and i have found last year wrc gen... 4 me the wrc next gen is more positive feverishly... greets from sw-germany :)

[@pbakai182]

You're spot on with basically everything in this video... Real shame that Codies fan-boys shat all over WRC10/WRC:G, when it really only had two big issues (Under 50% throttle issue, and mediocre car sounds).

[@tomasmenezes3683]

only 2 big issues ahahah yeah, right.

[@jasonfuller7093]

What the heck are you smoking? They all drove like shit. All of them. Not fun

[@garethhughes5745]

and silly implementation of the handbrake which felt more like you had just applied 150% throttle to the rear wheels., and the terrible collision model that had trees going through the car.. etc.. lots of faults with WRCG, but what id did best was the handling on gravel, I have driven a rally car, and on gravel, it was the correct amount of sliding, DR2 and more so EA WRC are quite a bit too grippy. I also liked the clear crisp graphics of WRCG and the bumpiness of the courses, you really got thrown around. Still a good game despite its bad flaws.

[@sportschool3537]

WRC Generations was monumentally bad... if you think EA WRC is bad then Generations was a lawsuit levels of bad... dude... THE FUCKIING THROTTLE WASN'T WORKING PROPERLY!!!!

[@tb6539]

The 50% throttle issue in wrc gen was an easy fix i had played months with that throttle untill i saw a video which showed how to fix it all you have to do is go in to throttle sensitivity and move it to 4 or how you preffered 4 was my preference you then had a progressive throttle and it unleashed the full power of the cars from the off i then found i was beating my stage times by miles !! wrc gen to me is far better than this new ea wrc you just have to finf the correct force feedback and also set the cars up it then handled realistically and you knew exactley how the car would and should behave on different surfaces i myself have driven a wrc 2 car and i can honestley say thats the closest game ive played to the real thing ea wrc is just an arcade game a broken one at that too !!

[@Kaalaan]

Great analysis!

[@StoneHillRally]

Thanks god for RBR best rally simulation for me. Nice video nonetheless 👌

[@osso5314]

The winner is..... Dirt rally 2.0

[@S3V3RI7Y]

Watched only the first 30 seconds of WRC and man the frame pacing is so bad. Thanks for saving me 50 bucks! Appreciate it!

[@Drift4Drifters]

Few days ago came out a new update in WRC that worked around the physics, so this video is outdated already. By the way, DR2 is not a perfect rally game by many means, but its a game that demands the player to respect it back. Games like this tends to least for years, and i dont know how many time EA WRC will be able to achieve the same aspect. Its a rally game for dummies, after all.

[@WparuSlowach]

Stages are WRC Generations miles ahead of any Dirt game.

[@chrisjohns5877]

I loved WRC almost instantly. Its such a good game, DR2 is still a great game as well.

[@LightningMagoo]

I think you nailed it... EA WRC is instant fun without a steep learning curve.

[@passkat]

I've been doing reviews and now getting dirt rally 2.0 it bloody looks absolutely amazing even though its on ps4,thanks for upload

[@EspenFrafalne]

I kinda hate the engine sound in EA WRC. Too much treble, and not enough low frequency sound - but its not a dealbreaker for me. Ive only played EA WRC once so far, and like you said, the grip does seem pretty excessive - but real WRC cars do have pretty good grip, so im gonna have to try it again to do a more thorough comparison. Dirt 2.0 does not seem to have anywhere near the grip of real WRC cars, but im pretty new to Dirt 2.0, and pro rally drivers are of course very skilled at getting the right angles before doing corners, so this could be a "ME problem", and not the game being unrealistic. But my impression is that WRC 10 is considerably more realistic than both Dirt Rally 2.0 and EA WRC.

[@Perfectjzman]

DR2 is for racing masochistic people like me

[@Verklunkenzwiebel]

WRC is much more easy on the eyes. DR2 took it too far by having your eyes welded to the chassis which makes it really hard to take on a stage like Las Juntas in Argentina. El Chocolat Mexico is pretty much impossible to drive. In WRC though the horizon/perspective vanishing point is pretty much where you expect it. That, with improved 'feel' on asphalt makes WRC my favourite. But like you mentioned, taking on DR2's Kakaristo, Las Juntas or New England tracks remain appealing

[@Abujoudofkush3178]

KL's WRC had split screen!

[@testthepest6259]

And the winner is... RBR

[@ark14700]

WRC has 600km of unique roads modelled, DR 2.0 has about 150.

[@neoone75]

Not really. The longer ones are just the combination of shorter ones. And every shorter ones have reversed.

[@manbroBE]

you act like DR2 doesnt do that lol@@neoone75

[@schmid1.079]

@@neoone75 No, the 600km are actually unique without counting splits, reverse or seasons. With an average of 33km per location the math checks out. WRC not only has more locations, but also way longer stages.

[@sportschool3537]

@@schmid1.079 Also the big stages are where real rallying shines... I've noticed nobody picks them in multiplayer because they want short ones where they won't lose by crashing... but I'm sorry, if you want to show your skill you need to go through 25km of the Greek Mountains where one mistake is a terminal tumble off a cliff... or 30km of insanely fast Finnish forests where you could crash on a tree at 200kph at any moment... if you can go through that and beat me, I respect you... but doing a time trial run on an 8km stage that takes 4-5 mins? Yeah sure... whatever kiddo... if it was longer you would crash and we both know it...

[@schmid1.079]

@@sportschool3537 Yep, it's unfortunate, but a lot of people like to do time trails on the stages instead of doing whole rallyes. For me a rallye is traversing 200km+, but for some the apeal is just to get the fastest time on a stage. (Valid playstyle of course!) But thats always been the case and once you leave restart behind you feel actaully feel the rallye spirit. I hope at some point those players get their kind of vailidation aswell.

[@las10plagas]

the new WRC is so boring =( I was really excited but now I'm hardly playing it. it's like they took everything bad about DR2 and everything bad about WRC and made a game out of it 😕

[@keithdenton8386]

DR2 is the best. There just isn't enough courses. WRC Generations was pants. EA WRC although I have not had a go yet, looks like it will be similar to DR2. I just wish there was more in house WKG races in any format. I racing ACC DR2 this is where the fun was, racing against people you knew. A bit like Zwift. Bring back club nights that is where the fun is.

[@ElShogoso]

Driving/physics wise, WRC is completely different than DR2. It's a massive improvement especially on tarmac. They only need to smoothen out the performance issues.

[@LightningMagoo]

It's strange - so many people have said that the physics are a huge leap from DR2 but I'm just not feeling it, Maybe I need to do a lot more work with my wheel settings to unlock the full experience.@@ElShogoso

[@ElShogoso]

@@LightningMagoo I found it better even on gamepad (I use both pad or wheel depending on how lazy I'm feeling.) It's just that it doesn't feel like you're ice skating on tarmac anymore and the cars performance seems less exaggerated and a bit more grounded. Cars in DR2 feel like they're a bit faster than they should be and kinda feel like they're hovering a bit too much.

[@simpedros4766]

Wait. You have stated dr2 is the best then said you haven’t played wrc 😂😂😂

[@ark14700]

​@@LightningMagooI reduced most of the settings to 50-60% while keeping SAT 85%-95%, Suspension 90+, Tyre slip 100, and its hit a sweetspot with my CSL Elite. Feels much more detailed than DR2.0 in many aspects

[@netron66]

DR2 seems like better, it is more mature in a sense the engine is build specifically for the game. on the other hand wrc is using UE4, a lot of parameters are not fine tuned, like the exposure setting in the gameplay (copit view)

[@jacobcooney8325]

I have to pick WRC over Dirt 2.0 only because of the tarmac grip and the longer stages. Though graphically I think Dirt 2.0 is superior but I prefer the car handling of WRC way more. Also the female Co-Driver accent sold the game for me. Just feels flipping awesome flying through a stage with her accented voice in the background.

[@Eskoxo]

I can't really decide yet as i always play dr2 in vr and going to wrc on 2d screen just makes me misjudge braking distance all the time so will see once they implement vr. As far as graphics i think wrc wins mostly because it has hdr mode and looks super nice on my oled monitor, but they also kinda played marketing games saying things like "built on unreal engine" and omitting little details that its UE4 not UE5 which woulda looked like actual next gen title.

[@mymusic2515]

More importantly is that a Planet X Tempest behind you?

[@LightningMagoo]

LoL. Indeed. 😁

[@stefanoviaggio8096]

The winner is WRC generation by Kyloton. With fanatec csl dd is miles ahead EA and Dirt

[@Alexander27463]

So, basically, you're saying that the ea wrc game feels more like a game and is fun to play as such. The DR2 comes closer to a simulator and might be more realistic.

[@simpedros4766]

Rally drivers are saying wrc handling is more realistic 🤷‍♂️

[@martineering.evoluzione]

Dirt Rally 2.0 delivers a better rally experience. From the sound up to the car feeling. RWD cars in Dirt Rally 2.0 are much much better in every detail. Group B in Dirt Rally 2.0 is far way more brutal just like we can see from reality. Car mass transfer, suspension work and folding the rally car just before cornering is way superior in Dirt Rally 2.0. EA WRC isn't the same Codemasters quality as before and totally a downgrade so maybe next 2 years if they will want to deliver a better quality then yes but I'm not believe for this under EA. If you think that EA WRC wins then 100% for sure Mario Kart for you will be a SIM racing so far...

[@Abujoudofkush3178]

EA WRC feels like it came out 3-4 years ago, They should be releasing games that will look good for the next 7 years.

[@simonhutton1]

I nearly spat my cereal out did you just say a 3070? Gosh thats stretching thins a bit.

[@LightningMagoo]

And isn’t that a sad truth? A 3070 is a decent, expensive GPU and still it struggles with modern games. Optimisation seems to be a thing of the past for most developers.

[@davebrown5539]

Dirt 2 wins hands down on every level

[@manbroBE]

stages?

[@eisern10]

@@manbroBE It's of no use to you with a half-finished game

[@manbroBE]

@@eisern10 idk i have fun on the game, haven't really had issues at all actually

[@eisern10]

@@manbroBE Okay, the approaches are really good, but somehow it's only half as fun as Dirt Rally 2.0. unfortunately for God.

[@tj_the_sloth]

I think the new rally game has the same problem that every rally game that we have seen has too much sliding because on asphalt it's like driving in ice but in snow its like driving on asphalt it makes no sense

[@n0body550]

The game has gotten ahit for being “too grippy” on ashphalt so dont know what you’re on about there and on snow they literally have studs in the tyres to help with grip

[@fcukugimmeausername]

how do you know you're a lightning magoo and not just a regular magoo?

[@LightningMagoo]

It's just a feeling. Certainly not backed up by any evidence. 😁

[@iggychan007]

Even though I liked the review, the thumbs up was for name dropping MM ;D

[@Zanarkand_0]

Honestly can't pick between getting WRC now or not. I want to get it because of the Christmas Sale and because of the Coupon on Epic right now But apparently Career mode is fucked and doesn't work. There's no telling how much of the game EA is actually going to fix and I don't know if there is enough people in the community that care enough to make an unnofficial patch and support it themselves.

[@LightningMagoo]

You make a very good point. If EA don't address the problems quickly, the user-base will fall, making the competition less exciting and 3rd party 'fixes' will be nonexistent. This really frustrates me as I still find it so much fun to just pick up and play but the issues are becoming more and more annoying.

[@Zanarkand_0]

@@LightningMagoo yeah, me too. I bought it for my brother on Xbox and did a couple of the tutorial missions. I was so impressed with how that car felt. But getting an in game notification recommending to stay away from career mode for the time being is ridiculous. But with how much fun I had with that game for that little while, $25 AUD is an absolute steal knowing how much potential it has.

[@techknow9237]

DR 2.0 beats EA's WRC 23 in many ways. Even graphically DR 2.0 looks better or just as good though DR 2.0 has better effects, weather, and damage both on car and scenery. DR 2.0 is dead cheap now and a better rally game. Why pay full price for something inferior that is WRC!

[@DxSimRacing]

Nice

[@KikiMac]

Rallying is cool and all, but is that Flat Eric chilling on the shelf?

[@LightningMagoo]

Indeed it is 😁

[@DJDoener]

I just got WRC for 35€ on Steam due to a bundle. I already had Dirt Rally 2.0 therefore it was this cheap. Also my Thrustmaster T300 RS GT Wheel will arrive in a few days so I can finally enjoy the rally games as they're meant to be

[@SCHOOLOFROCK776358]

Finally someone who talks sense .Thank you 🎉 Someone who like you said not sponsored by anyone to give bias and don't act like a moron.(same person on KZbin who said about Generations WRC,but loved the other game's before because it🤔🤔) Agreed 👍 with WRC Generation's comment, Amazing game and car sounds. New EA WRC Got a lot of screen tearing on Xbox series X console and hope patched out soon, but good game. Dirt 2.0 looks Amazing on 4k with great car sounds.. Great channel 👍 hope you do well , I've subscribed

[@S3RAVA3LM]

WRC is pretty good. I don't believe anybody wants performance issues. Those making polemical videos are....it's seen as 'intelligent' criticizing things. I'm a gamer because i love experiencing worlds, depth, art, poetry, beauty, and i'm about the core essence, and WRC is really fun! I'd like to see it finished before release - and the truth is it has a great core and, again, is really fun. Some of these guys complaining, if you don't roast it with them they consider you a shill.

[@alistairpraet9108]

Hopefully wrc will get better performance this will perfect the title and be extra happy days its a great fun game to play

[@worldpeace786]

Your fov not abit too close?

[@LightningMagoo]

Possibly. I have changed it very slightly since this video and I seem to perform a little better 😁

[@comali2212]

Dirt Rally 2.0 all the way Try Argentina stages, it will make your eyes rolling. WRC is better because it has more and longer stages in different countries and the graphics are better other than that Dirt Rally is way better.

[@duncanwill6981]

DR2 looks like you're hovering over the roads... The new game looks like you're more connected to the surface. There is graphics/ environment improvement, but unfortunately requires you to significantly upgrade your PC to benefit from the improvement in visuals. Always a hardware race...

[@mikegiordanoplayspiano8609]

I think the biggest thing is the sensation of speed....i feel like I'm going a lot faster, like one of those crazy on board rally footage videos in Dirt Rally 2.0. In WRC I just don't feel that. However, somehow in WRC I feel more reminiscent of actually driving down dirt roads in my own cars in Colorado....and that never really felt that quick honestly haha. WRC is also somehow much more addicting because of the Career mode, etc. But I think Dirt 2.0 is simply more realistic.

[@n0body550]

The faster the car you use in WRC fives you the same, “christ im going too fast feeling” It literally only feels like a sunday drive in the slower catlrs

[@Dannyboyyoung]

It's a very solid start to the ea / codemasters generation of wrc I'd say, if the F1 games are anything to go by then I'd say they'll improve on these for a good few years before they start releasing the same shit like F1 22 and 23 was ha

[@n0body550]

F1 22 and F1 23 were completely different.

[@opmike343]

@@n0body550They weren't "completely different" at all. EA does what EA has always done. They iterate on a title year after year and demand full price for what other sims give you in development updates. Look at the development history of Assetto Corsa, ACC, Automobilista 2, rFactor 2, etc. Each of those titles have seen ENORMOUS development changes over their lifespan and each developer keeps trying to move the needle forward which each major update. Compare that to the development cycle of EA and F1. They treat the IP like it's Madden. Fuck 'em.

[@102ndsmirnov7]

From what I've gathered WRC is much more forgiving and makes you feel like a rally legend while Dirt is way more punishing. A bit like a Dark Souls of rally.

[@superstar5042]

Dark souls of rally is RBR

[@gameplays1993]

Dirts career mode is awful doesn’t make that much fun to be honest … yeah maybe dirt does some things better like the sound and stuff but I’m enjoying wrc way more. And tjst from a guy who pre ordert the game and could not play because the launcher thought I don’t own the game so I could not play for a long time … I’ve already played 3 seasons .. I just whish the car cap with max price would not be there … it takes so long to set the max credits counter up.. it’s sad that I have to sell and rebuy the cars for that reason and that should not be the case

[@jamiepoulton5584]

I think there would be far more outrage if this was a £70 game i think they sold it cheaper although still expensive as they knew it had a lot of issues.After initially being disappointed with it i do think the foundation is there for them to build on and improve as its still an enjoyable game with all its problems it currently has.

[@humandroid53]

It looks like 2 different countries! WRC graphics are pretty horrible as is the obvious stuttering and screen tearing.

[@xastarothx96]

Idk how can you play running the game below 30 FPS xD that would be a headead.

[@artax9x]

the one thing you mainly focus on in a rally game is the road. it just looks really bad in wrc so flat and bland. why cant they put more effort into such things... like comon

[@DJCJ999]

DR2.0 is a lot cheaper just now on Steam.. Generations is also at a good price... I don't play rally games that often but I have a couple from the Dirt franchise.. Not that fussed about the gymkanna arcade jobbers but there you go. Hey LM.. what steering wheel/pedal set would you recommend for a casual driving sim player?

[@LightningMagoo]

Hey buddy. Honestly, if your a casual racer you can't go wrong with the Logitech G29 (or equivalent). The weakest point of the Logitech setup is the pedals, so a G29 + something like Fanatic CSL load cell pedals would be a great beginner kit. The next step is the entry level direct drive setups which are all amazing value whether you go for a Moza, Simagic or Fanatec. Hope that helps. 👍🏽

[@DJCJ999]

Thanks man.. I will check it out 👍

[@donaldxavier2056]

I still think Dirt Rally 2 is a better game. EA WRC is great but Dirt is just more polished, imo.

[@79ramo]

Sorry, why are you comparing with 2 different views??🤔🤔

[@LightningMagoo]

I literally loaded DR2 with the last view I'd used.

[@stefanoviaggio8096]

Best FFB on direct drive wheels is wrc generation. Absolute underrated games, only wrc games if set correctly remind me RBR❤ EA sport suck

[@dathyr1]

Well right now I do have Dirt Rally 2 but not WRC by EA sports. I will say the winner for graphics is Dirt Rally 2 - more colorful and clearer and allot more scenic. WRC game graphics looks washed out and looks like you are in a haze all the time. and very sparce scenery The winner to looks like WRC by EA sports. Vehicle looks more drivable with the front end does not stick in the ground - doing corners looks easier to do and looks fun to drive. Dirt Rally 2 the front end is always stuck into the ground too much and get way too much oversteer with the back end swinging around too much. I find my Dirt Rally 2 a bit hard to control the vehicle and always struggling to fight it throughout the rally. So it depends on do you want better graphics or drivability. No clear winner to me.